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Bucharest demanded to rename the park named after Soviet Marshal Fyodor Tolbukhin

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Bucharest demanded to rename the park named after Soviet Marshal Fyodor Tolbukhin

In the former socialist countries of Eastern Europe, the struggle against the "Soviet past" continues. This time in the fight with history Romania joined. According to the Agerpres agency, Bucharest demanded to rename the city park, named after the Soviet military leader Marshal Fyodor Tolbukhin.


According to the newspaper, the council of the 2nd district of Bucharest appealed to the General Council of the Municipality of Bucharest with a proposal to change the name of the city park "Park Tolbukhina" to "Garden of Mathesar" ("Garden of silk merchants"). As explained in the council, the demand to rename the park, named after the Soviet marshal, came from the residents of the area.

Citizens of the 2nd district, during conversations with both the district mayor and with me personally, as an adviser to the district mayor's office (...), constantly pointed out the timeliness of the resumption of demarches on renaming the green zone at 115 Paque Protopopescu boulevard (Tolbukhina Park )

- said the district councilor of Tudor Andrei Panaitescu.

It is noted that this is not the first attempt to rename the park. In 2017, the mayor's office of the 2nd district "suddenly" remembered the park, which they forgot to rename in the wake of the de-communization carried out in Romania in the 90s after the collapse of the USSR. It was clarified that earlier Tolbukhin Boulevard adjoined the park, which was renamed, but the park was forgotten. However, then the attempt to rename failed, the previous name was defended thanks to the work of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

During the liberation of Romania, 70 thousand soldiers and officers of the Red Army were killed. 76 years after the Great Victory in Bucharest, they decided to remove the last reminder of the Soviet marshal, under whose command Romania was liberated.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 26 February 2021 10: 01
    +2
    And these there too ...
    It would be fine to "return the historical name", otherwise, as I understand it, a garden was specially founded in honor of the Marshal ...
    It is sad.
    1. The black
      The black 26 February 2021 10: 02
      +16
      one word ... Romanians
      1. Temples
        Temples 26 February 2021 10: 09
        +15
        In the former socialist countries of Eastern Europe, the struggle against the "Soviet past" continues.


        The fight is not the Soviet past.
        Fight against the Russian world.

        This was before the USSR, this continues after the USSR.

        The Anglo-Saxons are at war with Russia at the level of civilizations.

        Previously, we were taught that the king is the cause of all troubles and it is necessary to change the system (destroy our own state)
        Then we were taught that we had contracted communism.
        Then we were recommended to fight against Stalin's personality cult. (Khrushchev apparently exposed Vissarionich for the gingerbread.
        Then we were accused of wrong socialism.

        After we destroyed everything that was wrong (destroyed our own country), we were recommended to be silent in a rag.

        Now we are accused of imperial ambitions.

        So, Romanians are ordinary Russophobes.

        All Russian-Soviet-Russian they will destroy on the orders of the English-speaking people.
        They say we did not wage the war like that. They liberated Europe, but they did not ask us about it.
        And other stuff.

        Once again I am convinced that it is impossible to give the conquered lands to those who fought against us.

        The Russian tsars did not suffer from a similar infection.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 26 February 2021 10: 20
          +6
          Quote: Temples
          Once again I am convinced that it is impossible to give the conquered lands to those who fought against us.

          Whoever fought against us, you only need to destroy. Formula one - "Who came to us with a sword, from the sword and perish."
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 26 February 2021 10: 30
            +17
            On April 6, 1945, King Mihai I received the Order of Victory from the hands of Marshal Tolbukhin, "For the courageous act of decisive turn in Romania's policy towards a break with Hitler's Germany."
            In fact, Rymynia was forgiven for the alliance with the Nazis ... apparently in vain.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 26 February 2021 10: 46
              +8
              Quote: Hunter 2
              In fact, Rymynia was forgiven for the alliance with the Nazis ... apparently in vain.

              In vain, unequivocally. How much they put our people. Old people from the Odessa region said that they were crueller than the Germans. And so also the winners, as the French became. And the paradox turns out that our fathers and grandfathers "liberated" those who, together with the Nazis, killed our people.
            2. Blacksmith 55
              Blacksmith 55 26 February 2021 10: 46
              +6
              I wonder where this order is now?
              Return immediately.
              To erect a monument on the territory of Russia about the defeat of the Romanian units in the corresponding places.
            3. Thrifty
              Thrifty 26 February 2021 11: 08
              +2
              History does not teach us anything! Our kindness to our enemies is now turning our backs on us!
            4. orionvitt
              orionvitt 26 February 2021 12: 10
              +3
              Quote: Hunter 2
              In fact, Rymynia was forgiven for the alliance with the Nazis ... apparently in vain

              King Mihai, when he smelled fried, changed his shoes in time (just like Mannerheim), which once again proves their real "value", both as allies and as a warrior. On the other hand, with the liberation of Romania, many more Soviet soldiers would have died. And so, at the cost of one order, they saved tens of thousands of our soldiers. On the other hand, if the Romanians are very excited, it is necessary to raise the question of the true role of Romania in the Second World War and the Great Patriotic War in particular. Although, whom I am trying to deceive, no one in Europe and the world cares about this, except for Russia, and even then not always ..
            5. Richard
              Richard 26 February 2021 13: 55
              0
              Council of the 2nd district of Bucharest appealed to the General Council of the Municipality of Bucharest with a proposal to change the name of the city park "Park Tolbukhina" to "Garden of Mathesar" ("Garden of silk merchants")

              Why not immediately in "grădina comercianților de istorie" ("Garden of the traders of history")?
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 26 February 2021 18: 19
                0
                It's disgusting. Another ungrateful creature cut through. But it's not bad to know all Russophobes. AND never do not treat them as equal friends! Only selectively and for payment !!!
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 18: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  But it's not bad to know all Russophobes.

                  Why know them? Open the directory of the countries of the world and shuffle in alphabetical order - all enemies are one hell. laughing
          2. Civil
            Civil 26 February 2021 10: 35
            0
            This is the result of a weakening of influence ... Ceausescu, no matter how swaggering, was afraid to breathe against the USSR once again.
          3. Civil
            Civil 26 February 2021 10: 37
            -6
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Who fought against us, you only need to destroy

            Finns, Japanese, Chinese, Ukrainians, Turks, British, French, Chukchuy, Tatars, Yakuts, and so on ... all gathered to destroy? Build death camps with stoves?
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 19: 00
              +1
              Quote: Civil
              Finns, Japanese, Chinese, Ukrainians, Turks, British, French, Chukchuy, Tatars, Yakuts, and so on ... all gathered to destroy? Build death camps with stoves?

              yes, the usual everyday Nazism. See, how sickly it is puffing up. laughing
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          1. Richard
            Richard 26 February 2021 18: 31
            -2
            Taking into account yesterday's article "Nevsky or Dzerzhinsky: Who Will Occupy Lubyanskaya Square", do you propose to rename Moscow streets to Alexander Nevsky streets in all Russian cities? belay laughing
          2. Albert1988
            Albert1988 27 February 2021 23: 39
            0
            Quote: mssp
            However, we hate them more than Romanians!

            The question is, who is this "we"? You - yes, maybe you hate some mythical "Muscovites, whom, I am sure, you have never seen before, but normal people understand that there is nothing to hate Muscovites for.
            For the sake of a joke, let me remind you that the indigenous Muscovites - 20 percent of the chila is left, the rest are newcomers, and the most impudent and arrogant among the "Muscovites" are just visitors from other regions ...

            Py.Sy .: You remembered here to the place of Furgal and Khayarovsky - and so, remember - you should not confuse members of the United Russia party with Muscovites. If we get to the bottom of their origin, then a third (from the backbone) there are generally from St. Petersburg, a third - all from the same regions. And this k ... la Edrosskaya spoils life all over the country, and in Moscow with St. Petersburg as well. So there is no need to insult the residents of Moscow (like any other city) in this way ...
      2. frruc
        frruc 26 February 2021 10: 27
        +11
        Honestly, I'm not surprised. During the Great Patriotic War F. Tolbukhin led the Soviet troops in the Battle of Stalingrad, where the Romanians took an active part on the side of the fascists, liberated Yugoslavia from the Nazi invaders and participated in the defeat of the Nazi troops in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Austria. Here are the descendants of these ubl..yudkov and nedobitkov and demolish monuments to Soviet wars, erase the memory of them.
      3. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 26 February 2021 11: 40
        0
        Quote: Black
        one word ... Romanians

        ....- So they are gypsies!
        -What's the difference!
    2. Destiny
      Destiny 26 February 2021 10: 04
      +12
      Not the right word, that's all the gratitude from the liberated Europe.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 26 February 2021 10: 15
        0
        don't give a damn about these Kirkorovs ... let them fight the dead.
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 26 February 2021 10: 16
        +10
        Quote: Destiny
        that's all the gratitude from liberated Europe.

      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 26 February 2021 10: 48
        +2
        Quote: Destiny
        Not the right word, that's all the gratitude from the liberated Europe.

        Yes, these same fought under the command of Antonescu against the USSR! And in captured Moldova, what did they do with the local population? The Germans were sheep against them.
        Surprisingly, I did not know that something was named in honor of Tolbukhin in Romania and still survived. In Chisinau, almost everything named in honor of the military leaders has long been renamed.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 26 February 2021 10: 32
      +6
      They are not "there" Hungarians and Romanians - outright fascists at the level of Germans and Japanese. We fought ideologically and took part in all the atrocities on our territory.
    4. Pravodel
      Pravodel 26 February 2021 11: 11
      +1
      And these there too ...

      We would need to remind Romania and the atrocities that the Romanians committed on the territory of the USSR during the Second World War, and which Stalin closed his eyes to after Romania jumped to another camp ... Apparently, the time has come ...
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    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 10: 12
      -9
      Quote: Temples
      Fight against the Russian world.

      And what is the "Russian world" in your view? Can you describe this construction in general terms?
      Quote: Temples
      The Anglo-Saxons are at war with Russia at the level of civilizations.

      And the Romanians from the 2nd district of Bucharest, what side to the Anglo-Saxons?
      1. Temples
        Temples 26 February 2021 10: 18
        +4
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        And the Romanians from the 2nd district of Bucharest, what side to the Anglo-Saxons?

        The Romanians fought against us in the Great Patriotic War.
        The Romanians invaded the territory of our country.
        Romanians brought death to our families.
        The Romanians lost the war.
        The Romanians want to forget about the defeat of the Russians.

        Romanians NATO members - subordinate to the US Army Command

        Romanians obey the Anglo-Saxons according to the signed NATO membership agreement.

        This is the army, boy, there is no democracy.


        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        And what is the "Russian world" in your view? Can you describe this construction in general terms?


        Why do you need my idea of ​​the Russian world?
        If it's really interesting - read the history of our country.
        Thousand-year history of Russia.
        Read Russian writers.
        Read Russian scientists.
        Listen to Russian music.
        These people told and wrote everything for a long time.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 10: 20
          -11%
          Quote: Temples
          Romanians NATO members - subordinate to the US Army Command

          what, and residents of the 2nd district of Bucharest too ???
          1. akarfoxhound
            akarfoxhound 26 February 2021 11: 06
            +1
            And the residents of the 2nd district of Bucharest are not Romanians, not citizens of Romania, and the 2nd district of Bucharest is a territorial enclave separated from Romania with its own statehood? Gypsy Liechtenstein ??? laughing
        2. Deck
          Deck 26 February 2021 10: 33
          -6
          The Romanians fought against us in the Great Patriotic War.
          The Romanians invaded the territory of our country.
          Romanians brought death to our families.
          The Romanians lost the war.


          During the liberation of Romania, 70 thousand soldiers and officers of the Red Army were killed. 76 years after the Great Victory in Bucharest, they decided to remove the last reminder of the Soviet marshal, under whose command Romania was liberated.


          Did our ancestors set them free? From whom? From ourselves?
        3. frruc
          frruc 26 February 2021 10: 37
          +2
          I cannot call them ungrateful pigs. Romania is a historical enemy, has always taken an active part in wars against Russia (as well as Bulgaria, Austria, Hungary).
          But after the end of the Great Patriotic War in June 1945, I. Stalin awarded the Order of Victory to King Mihai I of Romania.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 10: 43
            +2
            Quote: frruc
            Romania is a historical enemy, has always taken an active part in the wars against Russia

            In the Russian-Turkish and the First World War, we were allies, actually.
            1. frruc
              frruc 26 February 2021 17: 35
              -1
              These allies will have a place on the yard and will be sold with giblets at an opportunity.
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 18: 16
                -1
                There are no faithful and permanent allies.
        4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 11: 23
          0
          Quote: Temples
          Why do you need my idea of ​​the Russian world?
          If it's really interesting - read the history of our country

          clearly you cannot. Expected)
      2. Shooter22
        Shooter22 26 February 2021 10: 42
        -3
        Have you seen the petition of residents from the 2nd district? Or were you at their meeting with the mayor? Doing sophistry here for degenerates. This is a general tendency and there is no need to take a particular case out of context. The Modyars have never been friends with us and we cannot count on "thanks" from them (however, until the second round, if they ask for it).
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 10: 47
          -2
          Quote: Shooter22
          Have you seen the petition of residents from the 2nd district?

          God forbid, she was written to the CIA laughing
          Quote: Shooter22
          The Modyars have never been friends with us

          First, mаdyars. And secondly, what do the Hungarians have to do with it? The park is actually located in the capital of Romania. So, be careful about the "degenerates")
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            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 11: 03
              +1
              Quote: Shooter22
              And here is the meaning of the word "sophistry"

              You are not familiar, I see. Let's curtail the dive, by God it's a pity to watch you try to wriggle out of your own lapse. hi
              1. Shooter22
                Shooter22 26 February 2021 11: 15
                -2
                Let's roll it up, roll it up. Last but not least: The population of Romania is 19 million (approximately). Of these, 2 million Hungarians (also approximately). This is the largest Hungarian diaspora in other countries. And my lapse (which you press on without answering any of my questions on the merits) is much more harmless and less than the substitution of concepts that you are doing here on this resource quite regularly. So who and to whom should be more pitiful is another big question. hi
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 11: 21
                  -3
                  Quote: Shooter22
                  than the substitution of concepts that you here on this resource are doing quite regularly

                  no substitutions. It's not my fault that you don't know how to think non-linearly)
                  1. Shooter22
                    Shooter22 26 February 2021 11: 26
                    -1
                    Oh how! Offset! Genius did not recognize. good
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 11: 30
                      -3
                      Quote: Shooter22
                      Oh how! Offset! Genius did not recognize. good

                      It happens. Get better. laughing
                      1. Shooter22
                        Shooter22 26 February 2021 11: 32
                        0
                        I'd rather have pity on you. lol )))
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 11: 40
                        -3
                        Go ahead. I do not care.
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      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 10: 51
        -3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        It was necessary to do with Bucharest, what the Anglo-Saxons did with Dresden.

        what to do? To "like with Dresden" - you need to have at least a closely similar air fleet.
        What are you getting excited about? What kind of irrepressible mania to crush and bury everyone? Why is this hysterical steam blowing the whistle?
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 26 February 2021 10: 04
    +5
    Wouldn't it be time to demand reparations for the occupation during WWII?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 February 2021 10: 12
      +2
      Quote: Cowbra
      Wouldn't it be time to demand reparations for the occupation during WWII?

      And from everyone whose soldier's boot touched the land of Russia.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 12: 31
      0
      Quote: Cowbra
      Wouldn't it be time to demand reparations for the occupation during WWII?

      Paris Peace Treaty of 1947 Part V, article 22.
      $ 300mln at an ounce value of $ 35
      Now she seems to be ok. $ 1800.
  • pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru 26 February 2021 10: 04
    0
    Let them rename it to Park Antonescu. Not a country for us to worry about its actions.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 26 February 2021 10: 17
      +2
      Quote: pyagomail.ru
      Let them rename it to Park Antonescu. Not a country for us to worry about its actions.

      behind them will become.
      this is easily possible.
      in Chisinau, a street was already named after this fascist henchman
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 10: 22
      -3
      Quote: pyagomail.ru
      Not a country for us to worry about its actions.

      that's it. In general, it doesn't matter what they rename there.
      Quote: pyagomail.ru
      Let them rename it to Park Antonescu.

      To Legionary Park)
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 26 February 2021 10: 06
    +4
    During the liberation of Romania, 70 thousand soldiers and officers of the Red Army were killed. 76 years after the Great Victory in Bucharest, they decided to remove the last reminder of the Soviet marshal, under whose command Romania was liberated.
    Hitler's servants, one of the most brutal occupiers, who had to be crushed like Germany, and not taken as allies. Time shows, "a beast cannot be a lamb," he will always be a beast. All of Europe is watered with the blood of our fathers and grandfathers, and once again I say "For whom and for what."
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 10: 32
      -8
      Quote: tihonmarine
      which had to be crushed like Germany

      Why waste time on trifles - to crush all the fuck - Poles, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Czechs, Slovaks and other Albanians. I'm embarrassed to ask - and how to build a social camp from this jelly? Or to pull along the crushed immediately to the English Channel and push further?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 26 February 2021 10: 10
    0
    In the former socialist countries of Eastern Europe, the struggle against the "Soviet past" continues.

    Yes, they are enemies now, petty barking, in the general chorus howling to the big boss because of okey.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 February 2021 10: 28
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Yes, they are enemies now, petty barking, in the general chorus howling to the big boss because of okey.

      A mongrel, only barks from under the fence, but if there is a flock of them, then they can bite.
      As always dog-jackal psychology.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 February 2021 10: 55
        -1
        There are many of them ... count EVERYTHING, "liberated"!
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 11: 46
          -3
          Quote: rocket757
          There are many of them ... count EVERYTHING, "liberated"!

          What do you actually expect from them? So that they are constantly beating off grateful bows to the east for the events of 80 years ago? Well, it doesn't happen like that, don't you think?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 February 2021 11: 59
            0
            Come on, for me, just, this did not come as a surprise ... I "traveled" a lot, saw, heard, and no one forbade us to think ...
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 12: 10
              -2
              Well, what do you expect from them?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 26 February 2021 12: 29
                +1
                What can you expect from the enemy?
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 12: 34
                  -2
                  then why the fuss was raised around the renaming? They are enemies)
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 26 February 2021 12: 53
                    0
                    So many do not want to learn history, REAL HISTORY .... very harmful, in all respects, position .... an ostrich and a pile of sand, the head of an ostrich is clear where.
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 13: 19
                      -2
                      Quote: rocket757
                      So many do not want to learn history, REAL HISTORY

                      The story is always real. Learn to interpret history. Therefore, the worn-out term "rewriting history", with which they are so fond of lately, is somewhat, sorry, idiotic in itself.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 26 February 2021 13: 26
                        0
                        And those who rewrite history, colitis their options, for whom are they trying? For those who prefer to learn everything else from primary sources?
                        I really doubt it. There would be no victims of Wikipedia and the Unified State Exam, they would have no one to write ...
                        Unfortunately, and about the Soviet period to write that everything was clean and garlic, it will not work .... what was written was what the governing body needed and nothing more.
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 13: 38
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                        Quote: rocket757
                        Unfortunately, it will not work to write about the Soviet period that everything was clean and garlic.

                        why "unfortunately"?
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 26 February 2021 13: 41
                        0
                        Bitter truth is better than sweet lie!
                        The consequences of half-truths and, of course, lies, always catch up with everyone and then comes ... what comes.
  • Izotovp
    Izotovp 26 February 2021 10: 12
    +5
    It was a liberation for us. And for them, under the Nazis, everything was fine.
    By the way, a good idea about reparations! Anyone who refuses that we freed them-recognize accomplices of Nazism and demand reparations.
    And Romania is not that country, and the Baltics, and Ukraine ... and the enemy is already at the gates ...
  • prior
    prior 26 February 2021 10: 14
    -2
    If this is not an outrage against the memory of our soldiers who died for the liberation of Romania and the veterans who survived, then what?
    Drive the embassy of these gypsies out of the country, break off all relations, cut off the gas for them and everything else!
    Why is it right to judge Navalny, but to answer the Romanians in this way, no?
    Memory needs to be protected, not worried.
    And you can defend not only by diplomatic, economic, but also by military methods.
    Destroy the renamed park so that there is no stone left over.
    And figs with him that Romania is a NATO country. Nobody will even lift their ass for Romania from their billions.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 10: 59
      -2
      Quote: prior
      If this is not an outrage against the memory of our soldiers who died for the liberation of Romania and the veterans who survived, then what?

      and what is the abuse? Renaming the park?
      Quote: prior
      Drive the embassy of these gypsies out of the country, break off all relations, cut off the gas for them and everything else!

      Why is this hysterical? Why drive and tear? Cut off the gas because of the appeal of the residents of the area to rename the park?
      Quote: prior
      Memory needs to be protected

      Let's defend ourselves - who is against? Why should you plant your memory on others?
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 26 February 2021 10: 25
    +4
    During the liberation of Romania, 70 thousand soldiers and officers of the Red Army were killed.

    Can you call the battles with the satellite of Nazi Germany liberation? Here are the descendants of those who fought on the Eastern Front and want to be renamed.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 11: 56
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      Quote: Pavel57
      Can you call the battles with the satellite of Nazi Germany liberation?

      In fact, after the coup on August 23, Romania became more of a satellite of the USSR and did not fight with the Red Army on its territory)
  • BAI
    BAI 26 February 2021 10: 27
    +5
    It's still good that the "Silk Merchants' Garden". Otherwise, they can in "Memory of the heroes who died at Stalingrad." Or is it the next step?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 26 February 2021 10: 54
      0
      A small lie, imposed to please the "highest interes", always ends in failure ... but the lies were NOT SMALL!
      All such, "liberated" paid back ... or rather decided as soon as they had the opportunity !!! It's not in vain that the Yankees never leave the countries that they also "liberated" ... and will not leave, which is REASONABLE, so that we would not think about it, would not talk about it.
  • Bulair
    Bulair 26 February 2021 10: 40
    -4
    Interestingly, and from whom did Tolbukhin liberate Romania and Bulgaria - like no one invited him there ?! Just like Zhukov "liberated" Romania from Bessarabia in 1940 ... Or maybe rename Komsomolskaya Street into Oryol on ul. Guderian ??? He is also a "liberator" like Tobukhin.
  • dedBoroded
    dedBoroded 26 February 2021 10: 53
    -1
    They said goodbye to the Soviet past, got a miserable present and an uncertain future. Only you don't need to release them anymore.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 26 February 2021 11: 01
      -2
      Quote: dedBoroded
      Only you don't need to release them anymore.

      Released on their own head.
    2. pytar
      pytar 26 February 2021 13: 37
      0
      They said goodbye to the Soviet past, got a miserable present and an uncertain future.

      You asked what is their opinion? We asked ourselves the question - why don't they want to return to the past? And what is left of him in modern Russia? Only monuments and honorable rituals ...
      Only you don't need to release them anymore.

      Will free, means to give freedom to decide how to live, this is the right to choose! After 1945, nowhere in Vost. Europe did not have this.
  • bar
    bar 26 February 2021 10: 54
    0
    Quite expected. Why would the Nazis' accomplices love Tolbukhin.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 26 February 2021 11: 10
    -1
    It is a pity that Stalin did not know then that all these defeated and forgiven people would betray our country in the future and again defect to the Nazis, although I probably guessed they always fell under everyone, probably there was something else from them then.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 26 February 2021 11: 47
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    Although all this is not good and not beautiful (and, above all, the Romanians should understand this, but they do not understand this), I will note that objectively our Foreign Ministry has nothing to do with this issue. The object is located on the territory of another state, and they are also free to rename something there, just as we are free to rewrite our own constitution "by voting on an array of amendments."

    In general, we should come to terms with the fact that in Europe, "historical memory" is treated differently than we do. Now and in the foreseeable future, we cannot react to this in any weighty and useful way for ourselves - we can only twitch and squeal, belittling our status. Our once powerful influence on Vost. Europe has been missed - which means that for some time (quite a long time) we will have to reap the bitter and sour fruits of such an omission - and we should learn this lesson well, because it always happens when, due to short-sighted policies (foreign or domestic), something is missed. -or. All this also has a bearing on today. As the saying goes "A sailor cannot control the sea, but he can control himself" - here, we cannot control this situation, but it is within our power to make sure that we miss as little as possible of what we have now. And to live better tomorrow than now. And so that the day after tomorrow the Romanians will start looking in our direction again, if we need it, it is also in our power.
    So why do we continue to grieve and trade for bullshit?
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 26 February 2021 12: 43
      +1
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      So why do we continue to grieve and trade for bullshit?

      Well, of course - such a gum for turbo patriots laughing
      Vaughn, there have already been proposals to resolve the issue radically:
      1. pytar
        pytar 26 February 2021 13: 59
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        On February 24.02.2021, 31, Russia and Romania terminated ahead of schedule the contract for the transportation of natural gas through Romanian territory, concluded with Gazprom Export until December 2023, XNUMX.
        This is stated in the message spread by the Romanian company "Transgaz".
        The Romanian company does not worry about this in any way, moreover, it initiated the early termination of the contract. hi
        "Intensive negotiations between the European Commission, Trangsgaz and Gazprom Export were concretized in the Agreement on the termination of the historic contract between Transgaz and Gazprom Export, concluded for the transportation of natural gas via the T3 gas pipeline in Romania to third countries. The agreement has of particular importance, since it creates the preconditions for the application of European norms when reserving capacities for the transportation of natural gas through the transit gas pipelines T2 and T3 and at the same time ensures optimal protection of the financial interests of Transgaz, which stemmed from the historical contract for the transportation of natural gas through the transit gas pipeline T3. The agreement on the termination of the contract between Transgaz and Gazprom Export creates the necessary conditions to ensure free access of third parties to the reservation of capacities on the transit gas pipelines T2 and T3, it is emphasized in the message of Transgaz, ensures the receipt of the remaining funds on t of the implementation of the contract and "creates the preconditions for increasing the utilization of the Romanian infrastructure for the transportation of natural gas."
        1. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 26 February 2021 14: 41
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          Xs all this is another of our jambs - I'm not even talking about turning off the gas to someone there (personally, I have not heard about this story, but I fully admit that they could) - we have a habit of regularly grinding boots, eggs and parrots in one boiler.
          The notorious American "Business is business" based on understandable capitalist laws implying profit (we continue, increase) and decline (turn down, restructure) - it turns out to be a dark forest for us, we throw politics, geopolitics, some kind of image factors, some illusory into this cauldron " influence "- often (unfortunately more and more often) some kind of witch's stew comes out of this, and at one point everything collapses like a house of cards, and it turns out that we are not free to treat such projects as" purely business "- as is the case with The Ukrainian gas pipeline or an attempt to sell oil in Blr at prices close to market prices.
          IMHO it is better to separate profitable-capitalist interactions and cultural-soft-power interactions as much as possible. Because when all this is in some kind of twisted bundles, then at one point someone in this scheme loses a sense of proportion, there is a certain chronic "overload of the negotiation process" and, as a result, a natural desire to cut the Gordian knot and decompose everything CONVENIENT or at least CLEAR ... We shouldn't pay someone with anything real for some ostentatious loyalty or ostentatious respect - otherwise we will be like the crow from Krylov's fable. Anything that does not keep strong and harmonious mutually beneficial ties with us should be let go. It seems to me that this will make our foreign policy as a whole clearer, and maybe this will lead to some visible benefit from it.
          1. pytar
            pytar 26 February 2021 17: 19
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            Politics and business are inextricably linked. What business is, so is politics. The quality of business is the quality of politics. All politics, everywhere in all times, is guided solely by interests! Nothing else! Russian / at all times / is NOT an exception! Moral categories are used only in propaganda, in real life neither business nor politicians exist! It would be naive to consider Russian oligarchs more moral or more intelligent than their foreign colleagues. hi
            1. Knell wardenheart
              Knell wardenheart 26 February 2021 18: 09
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              I cannot agree - we take the Arab countries for example - in words, many of them hate Israel, but their business presses each other in line to trade with it. The same Ukraine "in words" is in a state of war with us, in fact, gas is being transported through its territory, which we sell to third countries. We have wild relations with the United States, however, the United States, as it bought resources and products from us, so it buys, and sanctions with the EU (bilateral), but we both drive everything we can sell to the EU, and they drive us everything that we manage to submit bypassing these sanctions. You can go on - but the point is that Politics and Business are two different dimensions, and an attempt to bring them together in one stable does not benefit either one or the other. You cannot feed the regimes from your hand and wait that they will be able to provide good business - we have before our eyes again the example of Ukraine, which we fed for many years, and which then broke the established chains and created a lot of inconveniences for us (as well as we did for her), despite the benefits for your own economy. We take our relationship with Blr and see that it is worth strikingly for us to present claims to the milk from Blr, as "suddenly" a number of other directions that are completely unrelated to milk turn out to be "profitable", some military objects and "bilateral cooperation "- even more distant from the banal" buy and sell ". Instead of all this hrenomancy, for example, we just trade with the same Finland - she buys something from us, sells something to us, $$$ and nothing personal, there is no linkage of this "in the package" - we take profitably, there is no way we buy from Swedes or Norwegians or wherever.

              Politics in hand with the economy - we will have CMEA 2.0 in one form or another, where we have paid our debts to other countries, and they are still giving us back, and the prices there are horse-drawn, so we have to "forgive" Africa 20 billion or the DPRK how much more. This is extremely unhealthy crap that does not bring benefits and does not improve relations - if we buy something from someone "for political reasons" - as, for example, we bought sugar from Cubans, transporting it across half the globe and torpedoing our own sugar beet production, it looks beautiful, but it does not benefit us specifically - neither in the moment, nor after, nor much after. Do you know why rich countries are rich? Because they did not erect castles in the air on the way of ways to make money - and did not call some kind of international street magic reasonable if it did not bring benefits, but only incurred losses.
              1. pytar
                pytar 26 February 2021 22: 53
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                Politics is such a thing ... they say one thing and do another ... As interests dictate. laughing Interests are business. In fact, nothing is what it looks like at first glance. I'll tell you why rich countries are rich! Because they play this game better than others. And also at home, do not put carpets on the walls.
  • Alsur
    Alsur 26 February 2021 11: 49
    +1
    Quote: Civil
    This is the result of a weakening of influence ... Ceausescu, no matter how swaggering, was afraid to breathe against the USSR once again.

    You are in vain, read the story. For example, China also fought with Romanian weapons for Damansky Island. Romania was in tough opposition, along with the same China, Albania and some other sots. countries in relation to the Khrushchev USSR. They were not very afraid of the USSR.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 26 February 2021 12: 11
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    Quote: dedBoroded
    Only you don't need to release them anymore.

    Only to compel peace.
  • Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 27 February 2021 07: 54
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    And when, within the framework of the decommunization of Hungary, will they return Transylvania, which Stalin handed over to Romania? Or again: "This is different"?
  • Popov I.P.
    Popov I.P. 27 February 2021 11: 31
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    Small satellites of Hitler raise their heads. But the Romanians left a bloody trail in Odessa, in the Crimea, in the North Caucasus and in other regions of the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR. And in 1944-1945. small Hitlerite mongrels (Finland, Romania. Bulgaria, etc.) quickly saw the light and went over to the side of the anti-Hitler coalition, thereby avoiding the Nyurba tribunals and serious reparations. What to take from the traitors ...