Bucharest demanded to rename the park named after Soviet Marshal Fyodor Tolbukhin

In the former socialist countries of Eastern Europe, the struggle against the "Soviet past" continues. This time in the fight with history Romania joined. According to the Agerpres agency, Bucharest demanded to rename the city park, named after the Soviet military leader Marshal Fyodor Tolbukhin.

According to the newspaper, the council of the 2nd district of Bucharest appealed to the General Council of the Municipality of Bucharest with a proposal to change the name of the city park "Park Tolbukhina" to "Garden of Mathesar" ("Garden of silk merchants"). As explained in the council, the demand to rename the park, named after the Soviet marshal, came from the residents of the area.

Citizens of the 2nd district, during conversations with both the district mayor and with me personally, as an adviser to the district mayor's office (...), constantly pointed out the timeliness of the resumption of demarches on renaming the green zone at 115 Paque Protopopescu boulevard (Tolbukhina Park )

- said the district councilor of Tudor Andrei Panaitescu.

It is noted that this is not the first attempt to rename the park. In 2017, the mayor's office of the 2nd district "suddenly" remembered the park, which they forgot to rename in the wake of the de-communization carried out in Romania in the 90s after the collapse of the USSR. It was clarified that earlier Tolbukhin Boulevard adjoined the park, which was renamed, but the park was forgotten. However, then the attempt to rename failed, the previous name was defended thanks to the work of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

During the liberation of Romania, 70 thousand soldiers and officers of the Red Army were killed. 76 years after the Great Victory in Bucharest, they decided to remove the last reminder of the Soviet marshal, under whose command Romania was liberated.

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[The leader of the Redskins]

And these there too ...
It would be fine to "return the historical name", otherwise, as I understand it, a garden was specially founded in honor of the Marshal ...
It is sad.

[The black]

one word ... Romanians

[Temples]

In the former socialist countries of Eastern Europe, the struggle against the "Soviet past" continues.

The fight is not the Soviet past.
Fight against the Russian world.

This was before the USSR, this continues after the USSR.

The Anglo-Saxons are at war with Russia at the level of civilizations.

Previously, we were taught that the king is the cause of all troubles and it is necessary to change the system (destroy our own state)
Then we were taught that we had contracted communism.
Then we were recommended to fight against Stalin's personality cult. (Khrushchev apparently exposed Vissarionich for the gingerbread.
Then we were accused of wrong socialism.

After we destroyed everything that was wrong (destroyed our own country), we were recommended to be silent in a rag.

Now we are accused of imperial ambitions.

So, Romanians are ordinary Russophobes.

All Russian-Soviet-Russian they will destroy on the orders of the English-speaking people.
They say we did not wage the war like that. They liberated Europe, but they did not ask us about it.
And other stuff.

Once again I am convinced that it is impossible to give the conquered lands to those who fought against us.

The Russian tsars did not suffer from a similar infection.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Temples

Once again I am convinced that it is impossible to give the conquered lands to those who fought against us.

Whoever fought against us, you only need to destroy. Formula one - "Who came to us with a sword, from the sword and perish."

[Hunter 2]

On April 6, 1945, King Mihai I received the Order of Victory from the hands of Marshal Tolbukhin, "For the courageous act of decisive turn in Romania's policy towards a break with Hitler's Germany."
In fact, Rymynia was forgiven for the alliance with the Nazis ... apparently in vain.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Hunter 2

In fact, Rymynia was forgiven for the alliance with the Nazis ... apparently in vain.

In vain, unequivocally. How much they put our people. Old people from the Odessa region said that they were crueller than the Germans. And so also the winners, as the French became. And the paradox turns out that our fathers and grandfathers "liberated" those who, together with the Nazis, killed our people.

[Blacksmith 55]

I wonder where this order is now?
Return immediately.
To erect a monument on the territory of Russia about the defeat of the Romanian units in the corresponding places.

[Thrifty]

History does not teach us anything! Our kindness to our enemies is now turning our backs on us!

[orionvitt]

Quote: Hunter 2

In fact, Rymynia was forgiven for the alliance with the Nazis ... apparently in vain

King Mihai, when he smelled fried, changed his shoes in time (just like Mannerheim), which once again proves their real "value", both as allies and as a warrior. On the other hand, with the liberation of Romania, many more Soviet soldiers would have died. And so, at the cost of one order, they saved tens of thousands of our soldiers. On the other hand, if the Romanians are very excited, it is necessary to raise the question of the true role of Romania in the Second World War and the Great Patriotic War in particular. Although, whom I am trying to deceive, no one in Europe and the world cares about this, except for Russia, and even then not always ..

[Richard]

Council of the 2nd district of Bucharest appealed to the General Council of the Municipality of Bucharest with a proposal to change the name of the city park "Park Tolbukhina" to "Garden of Mathesar" ("Garden of silk merchants")

Why not immediately in "grădina comercianților de istorie" ("Garden of the traders of history")?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

It's disgusting. Another ungrateful creature cut through. But it's not bad to know all Russophobes. AND never do not treat them as equal friends! Only selectively and for payment !!!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

But it's not bad to know all Russophobes.

Why know them? Open the directory of the countries of the world and shuffle in alphabetical order - all enemies are one hell.

[Civil]

This is the result of a weakening of influence ... Ceausescu, no matter how swaggering, was afraid to breathe against the USSR once again.

[Civil]

Quote: tihonmarine

Who fought against us, you only need to destroy

Finns, Japanese, Chinese, Ukrainians, Turks, British, French, Chukchuy, Tatars, Yakuts, and so on ... all gathered to destroy? Build death camps with stoves?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Civil

Finns, Japanese, Chinese, Ukrainians, Turks, British, French, Chukchuy, Tatars, Yakuts, and so on ... all gathered to destroy? Build death camps with stoves?

yes, the usual everyday Nazism. See, how sickly it is puffing up.

[Richard]

Taking into account yesterday's article "Nevsky or Dzerzhinsky: Who Will Occupy Lubyanskaya Square", do you propose to rename Moscow streets to Alexander Nevsky streets in all Russian cities?

[Albert1988]

Quote: mssp

However, we hate them more than Romanians!

The question is, who is this "we"? You - yes, maybe you hate some mythical "Muscovites, whom, I am sure, you have never seen before, but normal people understand that there is nothing to hate Muscovites for.
For the sake of a joke, let me remind you that the indigenous Muscovites - 20 percent of the chila is left, the rest are newcomers, and the most impudent and arrogant among the "Muscovites" are just visitors from other regions ...

Py.Sy .: You remembered here to the place of Furgal and Khayarovsky - and so, remember - you should not confuse members of the United Russia party with Muscovites. If we get to the bottom of their origin, then a third (from the backbone) there are generally from St. Petersburg, a third - all from the same regions. And this k ... la Edrosskaya spoils life all over the country, and in Moscow with St. Petersburg as well. So there is no need to insult the residents of Moscow (like any other city) in this way ...

[fruc]

Honestly, I'm not surprised. During the Great Patriotic War F. Tolbukhin led the Soviet troops in the Battle of Stalingrad, where the Romanians took an active part on the side of the fascists, liberated Yugoslavia from the Nazi invaders and participated in the defeat of the Nazi troops in Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, Austria. Here are the descendants of these ubl..yudkov and nedobitkov and demolish monuments to Soviet wars, erase the memory of them.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Black

one word ... Romanians

....- So they are gypsies!
-What's the difference!

[Destiny]

Not the right word, that's all the gratitude from the liberated Europe.

[Aerodrome]

don't give a damn about these Kirkorovs ... let them fight the dead.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Destiny

that's all the gratitude from liberated Europe.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Destiny

Not the right word, that's all the gratitude from the liberated Europe.

Yes, these same fought under the command of Antonescu against the USSR! And in captured Moldova, what did they do with the local population? The Germans were sheep against them.
Surprisingly, I did not know that something was named in honor of Tolbukhin in Romania and still survived. In Chisinau, almost everything named in honor of the military leaders has long been renamed.

[Zaurbek]

They are not "there" Hungarians and Romanians - outright fascists at the level of Germans and Japanese. We fought ideologically and took part in all the atrocities on our territory.

[Pravodel]

And these there too ...

We would need to remind Romania and the atrocities that the Romanians committed on the territory of the USSR during the Second World War, and which Stalin closed his eyes to after Romania jumped to another camp ... Apparently, the time has come ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Temples

Fight against the Russian world.

And what is the "Russian world" in your view? Can you describe this construction in general terms?

Quote: Temples

The Anglo-Saxons are at war with Russia at the level of civilizations.

And the Romanians from the 2nd district of Bucharest, what side to the Anglo-Saxons?

[Temples]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

And the Romanians from the 2nd district of Bucharest, what side to the Anglo-Saxons?

The Romanians fought against us in the Great Patriotic War.
The Romanians invaded the territory of our country.
Romanians brought death to our families.
The Romanians lost the war.
The Romanians want to forget about the defeat of the Russians.

Romanians NATO members - subordinate to the US Army Command

Romanians obey the Anglo-Saxons according to the signed NATO membership agreement.

This is the army, boy, there is no democracy.

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

And what is the "Russian world" in your view? Can you describe this construction in general terms?

Why do you need my idea of ​​the Russian world?
If it's really interesting - read the history of our country.
Thousand-year history of Russia.
Read Russian writers.
Read Russian scientists.
Listen to Russian music.
These people told and wrote everything for a long time.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Temples

Romanians NATO members - subordinate to the US Army Command

what, and residents of the 2nd district of Bucharest too ???

[akarfoxhound]

And the residents of the 2nd district of Bucharest are not Romanians, not citizens of Romania, and the 2nd district of Bucharest is a territorial enclave separated from Romania with its own statehood? Gypsy Liechtenstein ???

[Deck]

The Romanians fought against us in the Great Patriotic War.
The Romanians invaded the territory of our country.
Romanians brought death to our families.
The Romanians lost the war.

During the liberation of Romania, 70 thousand soldiers and officers of the Red Army were killed. 76 years after the Great Victory in Bucharest, they decided to remove the last reminder of the Soviet marshal, under whose command Romania was liberated.

Did our ancestors set them free? From whom? From ourselves?

[fruc]

I cannot call them ungrateful pigs. Romania is a historical enemy, has always taken an active part in wars against Russia (as well as Bulgaria, Austria, Hungary).
But after the end of the Great Patriotic War in June 1945, I. Stalin awarded the Order of Victory to King Mihai I of Romania.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: frruc

Romania is a historical enemy, has always taken an active part in the wars against Russia

In the Russian-Turkish and the First World War, we were allies, actually.

[fruc]

These allies will have a place on the yard and will be sold with giblets at an opportunity.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

There are no faithful and permanent allies.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Temples

Why do you need my idea of ​​the Russian world?
If it's really interesting - read the history of our country

clearly you cannot. Expected)

[Shooter22]

Have you seen the petition of residents from the 2nd district? Or were you at their meeting with the mayor? Doing sophistry here for degenerates. This is a general tendency and there is no need to take a particular case out of context. The Modyars have never been friends with us and we cannot count on "thanks" from them (however, until the second round, if they ask for it).

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Shooter22

Have you seen the petition of residents from the 2nd district?

God forbid, she was written to the CIA

Quote: Shooter22

The Modyars have never been friends with us

First, mаdyars. And secondly, what do the Hungarians have to do with it? The park is actually located in the capital of Romania. So, be careful about the "degenerates")

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Shooter22

And here is the meaning of the word "sophistry"

You are not familiar, I see. Let's curtail the dive, by God it's a pity to watch you try to wriggle out of your own lapse.

[Shooter22]

Let's roll it up, roll it up. Last but not least: The population of Romania is 19 million (approximately). Of these, 2 million Hungarians (also approximately). This is the largest Hungarian diaspora in other countries. And my lapse (which you press on without answering any of my questions on the merits) is much more harmless and less than the substitution of concepts that you are doing here on this resource quite regularly. So who and to whom should be more pitiful is another big question.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Shooter22

than the substitution of concepts that you here on this resource are doing quite regularly

no substitutions. It's not my fault that you don't know how to think non-linearly)

[Shooter22]

Oh how! Offset! Genius did not recognize.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Shooter22

Oh how! Offset! Genius did not recognize.

It happens. Get better.

[Shooter22]

I'd rather have pity on you. )))

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Go ahead. I do not care.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: tihonmarine

It was necessary to do with Bucharest, what the Anglo-Saxons did with Dresden.

what to do? To "like with Dresden" - you need to have at least a closely similar air fleet.
What are you getting excited about? What kind of irrepressible mania to crush and bury everyone? Why is this hysterical steam blowing the whistle?

[Cowbra]

Wouldn't it be time to demand reparations for the occupation during WWII?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Cowbra

Wouldn't it be time to demand reparations for the occupation during WWII?

And from everyone whose soldier's boot touched the land of Russia.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Cowbra

Wouldn't it be time to demand reparations for the occupation during WWII?

Paris Peace Treaty of 1947 Part V, article 22.
$ 300mln at an ounce value of $ 35
Now she seems to be ok. $ 1800.

[pyagomail.com]

Let them rename it to Park Antonescu. Not a country for us to worry about its actions.

[Flooding]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

Let them rename it to Park Antonescu. Not a country for us to worry about its actions.

behind them will become.
this is easily possible.
in Chisinau, a street was already named after this fascist henchman

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: pyagomail.ru

Not a country for us to worry about its actions.

that's it. In general, it doesn't matter what they rename there.

Quote: pyagomail.ru

Let them rename it to Park Antonescu.

To Legionary Park)

[tihonmarine]

During the liberation of Romania, 70 thousand soldiers and officers of the Red Army were killed. 76 years after the Great Victory in Bucharest, they decided to remove the last reminder of the Soviet marshal, under whose command Romania was liberated.

Hitler's servants, one of the most brutal occupiers, who had to be crushed like Germany, and not taken as allies. Time shows, "a beast cannot be a lamb," he will always be a beast. All of Europe is watered with the blood of our fathers and grandfathers, and once again I say "For whom and for what."

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: tihonmarine

which had to be crushed like Germany

Why waste time on trifles - to crush all the fuck - Poles, Hungarians, Bulgarians, Czechs, Slovaks and other Albanians. I'm embarrassed to ask - and how to build a social camp from this jelly? Or to pull along the crushed immediately to the English Channel and push further?

[rocket757]

In the former socialist countries of Eastern Europe, the struggle against the "Soviet past" continues.

Yes, they are enemies now, petty barking, in the general chorus howling to the big boss because of okey.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Yes, they are enemies now, petty barking, in the general chorus howling to the big boss because of okey.

A mongrel, only barks from under the fence, but if there is a flock of them, then they can bite.
As always dog-jackal psychology.

[rocket757]

There are many of them ... count EVERYTHING, "liberated"!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rocket757

There are many of them ... count EVERYTHING, "liberated"!

What do you actually expect from them? So that they are constantly beating off grateful bows to the east for the events of 80 years ago? Well, it doesn't happen like that, don't you think?

[rocket757]

Come on, for me, just, this did not come as a surprise ... I "traveled" a lot, saw, heard, and no one forbade us to think ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Well, what do you expect from them?

[rocket757]

What can you expect from the enemy?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

then why the fuss was raised around the renaming? They are enemies)

[rocket757]

So many do not want to learn history, REAL HISTORY .... very harmful, in all respects, position .... an ostrich and a pile of sand, the head of an ostrich is clear where.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rocket757

So many do not want to learn history, REAL HISTORY

The story is always real. Learn to interpret history. Therefore, the worn-out term "rewriting history", with which they are so fond of lately, is somewhat, sorry, idiotic in itself.

[rocket757]

And those who rewrite history, colitis their options, for whom are they trying? For those who prefer to learn everything else from primary sources?
I really doubt it. There would be no victims of Wikipedia and the Unified State Exam, they would have no one to write ...
Unfortunately, and about the Soviet period to write that everything was clean and garlic, it will not work .... what was written was what the governing body needed and nothing more.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: rocket757

Unfortunately, it will not work to write about the Soviet period that everything was clean and garlic.

why "unfortunately"?

[rocket757]

Bitter truth is better than sweet lie!
The consequences of half-truths and, of course, lies, always catch up with everyone and then comes ... what comes.

[Izotovp]

It was a liberation for us. And for them, under the Nazis, everything was fine.
By the way, a good idea about reparations! Anyone who refuses that we freed them-recognize accomplices of Nazism and demand reparations.
And Romania is not that country, and the Baltics, and Ukraine ... and the enemy is already at the gates ...

[prior]

If this is not an outrage against the memory of our soldiers who died for the liberation of Romania and the veterans who survived, then what?
Drive the embassy of these gypsies out of the country, break off all relations, cut off the gas for them and everything else!
Why is it right to judge Navalny, but to answer the Romanians in this way, no?
Memory needs to be protected, not worried.
And you can defend not only by diplomatic, economic, but also by military methods.
Destroy the renamed park so that there is no stone left over.
And figs with him that Romania is a NATO country. Nobody will even lift their ass for Romania from their billions.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: prior

If this is not an outrage against the memory of our soldiers who died for the liberation of Romania and the veterans who survived, then what?

and what is the abuse? Renaming the park?

Quote: prior

Drive the embassy of these gypsies out of the country, break off all relations, cut off the gas for them and everything else!

Why is this hysterical? Why drive and tear? Cut off the gas because of the appeal of the residents of the area to rename the park?

Quote: prior

Memory needs to be protected

Let's defend ourselves - who is against? Why should you plant your memory on others?

[Pavel57]

During the liberation of Romania, 70 thousand soldiers and officers of the Red Army were killed.

Can you call the battles with the satellite of Nazi Germany liberation? Here are the descendants of those who fought on the Eastern Front and want to be renamed.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Pavel57

Can you call the battles with the satellite of Nazi Germany liberation?

In fact, after the coup on August 23, Romania became more of a satellite of the USSR and did not fight with the Red Army on its territory)

[BAI]

It's still good that the "Silk Merchants' Garden". Otherwise, they can in "Memory of the heroes who died at Stalingrad." Or is it the next step?

[rocket757]

A small lie, imposed to please the "highest interes", always ends in failure ... but the lies were NOT SMALL!
All such, "liberated" paid back ... or rather decided as soon as they had the opportunity !!! It's not in vain that the Yankees never leave the countries that they also "liberated" ... and will not leave, which is REASONABLE, so that we would not think about it, would not talk about it.

[Bulair]

Interestingly, and from whom did Tolbukhin liberate Romania and Bulgaria - like no one invited him there ?! Just like Zhukov "liberated" Romania from Bessarabia in 1940 ... Or maybe rename Komsomolskaya Street into Oryol on ul. Guderian ??? He is also a "liberator" like Tobukhin.

[dedBoroded]

They said goodbye to the Soviet past, got a miserable present and an uncertain future. Only you don't need to release them anymore.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: dedBoroded

Only you don't need to release them anymore.

Released on their own head.

[pytar]

They said goodbye to the Soviet past, got a miserable present and an uncertain future.

You asked what is their opinion? We asked ourselves the question - why don't they want to return to the past? And what is left of him in modern Russia? Only monuments and honorable rituals ...

Only you don't need to release them anymore.

Will free, means to give freedom to decide how to live, this is the right to choose! After 1945, nowhere in Vost. Europe did not have this.

[bar]

Quite expected. Why would the Nazis' accomplices love Tolbukhin.

[Incvizitor]

It is a pity that Stalin did not know then that all these defeated and forgiven people would betray our country in the future and again defect to the Nazis, although I probably guessed they always fell under everyone, probably there was something else from them then.

[Knell wardenheart]

Although all this is not good and not beautiful (and, above all, the Romanians should understand this, but they do not understand this), I will note that objectively our Foreign Ministry has nothing to do with this issue. The object is located on the territory of another state, and they are also free to rename something there, just as we are free to rewrite our own constitution "by voting on an array of amendments."

In general, we should come to terms with the fact that in Europe, "historical memory" is treated differently than we do. Now and in the foreseeable future, we cannot react to this in any weighty and useful way for ourselves - we can only twitch and squeal, belittling our status. Our once powerful influence on Vost. Europe has been missed - which means that for some time (quite a long time) we will have to reap the bitter and sour fruits of such an omission - and we should learn this lesson well, because it always happens when, due to short-sighted policies (foreign or domestic), something is missed. -or. All this also has a bearing on today. As the saying goes "A sailor cannot control the sea, but he can control himself" - here, we cannot control this situation, but it is within our power to make sure that we miss as little as possible of what we have now. And to live better tomorrow than now. And so that the day after tomorrow the Romanians will start looking in our direction again, if we need it, it is also in our power.
So why do we continue to grieve and trade for bullshit?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

So why do we continue to grieve and trade for bullshit?

Well, of course - such a gum for turbo patriots
Vaughn, there have already been proposals to resolve the issue radically:

[pytar]

On February 24.02.2021, 31, Russia and Romania terminated ahead of schedule the contract for the transportation of natural gas through Romanian territory, concluded with Gazprom Export until December 2023, XNUMX.
This is stated in the message spread by the Romanian company "Transgaz".
The Romanian company does not worry about this in any way, moreover, it initiated the early termination of the contract.
"Intensive negotiations between the European Commission, Trangsgaz and Gazprom Export were concretized in the Agreement on the termination of the historic contract between Transgaz and Gazprom Export, concluded for the transportation of natural gas via the T3 gas pipeline in Romania to third countries. The agreement has of particular importance, since it creates the preconditions for the application of European norms when reserving capacities for the transportation of natural gas through the transit gas pipelines T2 and T3 and at the same time ensures optimal protection of the financial interests of Transgaz, which stemmed from the historical contract for the transportation of natural gas through the transit gas pipeline T3. The agreement on the termination of the contract between Transgaz and Gazprom Export creates the necessary conditions to ensure free access of third parties to the reservation of capacities on the transit gas pipelines T2 and T3, it is emphasized in the message of Transgaz, ensures the receipt of the remaining funds on t of the implementation of the contract and "creates the preconditions for increasing the utilization of the Romanian infrastructure for the transportation of natural gas."

[Knell wardenheart]

Xs all this is another of our jambs - I'm not even talking about turning off the gas to someone there (personally, I have not heard about this story, but I fully admit that they could) - we have a habit of regularly grinding boots, eggs and parrots in one boiler.
The notorious American "Business is business" based on understandable capitalist laws implying profit (we continue, increase) and decline (turn down, restructure) - it turns out to be a dark forest for us, we throw politics, geopolitics, some kind of image factors, some illusory into this cauldron " influence "- often (unfortunately more and more often) some kind of witch's stew comes out of this, and at one point everything collapses like a house of cards, and it turns out that we are not free to treat such projects as" purely business "- as is the case with The Ukrainian gas pipeline or an attempt to sell oil in Blr at prices close to market prices.
IMHO it is better to separate profitable-capitalist interactions and cultural-soft-power interactions as much as possible. Because when all this is in some kind of twisted bundles, then at one point someone in this scheme loses a sense of proportion, there is a certain chronic "overload of the negotiation process" and, as a result, a natural desire to cut the Gordian knot and decompose everything CONVENIENT or at least CLEAR ... We shouldn't pay someone with anything real for some ostentatious loyalty or ostentatious respect - otherwise we will be like the crow from Krylov's fable. Anything that does not keep strong and harmonious mutually beneficial ties with us should be let go. It seems to me that this will make our foreign policy as a whole clearer, and maybe this will lead to some visible benefit from it.

[pytar]

Politics and business are inextricably linked. What business is, so is politics. The quality of business is the quality of politics. All politics, everywhere in all times, is guided solely by interests! Nothing else! Russian / at all times / is NOT an exception! Moral categories are used only in propaganda, in real life neither business nor politicians exist! It would be naive to consider Russian oligarchs more moral or more intelligent than their foreign colleagues.

[Knell wardenheart]

I cannot agree - we take the Arab countries for example - in words, many of them hate Israel, but their business presses each other in line to trade with it. The same Ukraine "in words" is in a state of war with us, in fact, gas is being transported through its territory, which we sell to third countries. We have wild relations with the United States, however, the United States, as it bought resources and products from us, so it buys, and sanctions with the EU (bilateral), but we both drive everything we can sell to the EU, and they drive us everything that we manage to submit bypassing these sanctions. You can go on - but the point is that Politics and Business are two different dimensions, and an attempt to bring them together in one stable does not benefit either one or the other. You cannot feed the regimes from your hand and wait that they will be able to provide good business - we have before our eyes again the example of Ukraine, which we fed for many years, and which then broke the established chains and created a lot of inconveniences for us (as well as we did for her), despite the benefits for your own economy. We take our relationship with Blr and see that it is worth strikingly for us to present claims to the milk from Blr, as "suddenly" a number of other directions that are completely unrelated to milk turn out to be "profitable", some military objects and "bilateral cooperation "- even more distant from the banal" buy and sell ". Instead of all this hrenomancy, for example, we just trade with the same Finland - she buys something from us, sells something to us, $$$ and nothing personal, there is no linkage of this "in the package" - we take profitably, there is no way we buy from Swedes or Norwegians or wherever.

Politics in hand with the economy - we will have CMEA 2.0 in one form or another, where we have paid our debts to other countries, and they are still giving us back, and the prices there are horse-drawn, so we have to "forgive" Africa 20 billion or the DPRK how much more. This is extremely unhealthy crap that does not bring benefits and does not improve relations - if we buy something from someone "for political reasons" - as, for example, we bought sugar from Cubans, transporting it across half the globe and torpedoing our own sugar beet production, it looks beautiful, but it does not benefit us specifically - neither in the moment, nor after, nor much after. Do you know why rich countries are rich? Because they did not erect castles in the air on the way of ways to make money - and did not call some kind of international street magic reasonable if it did not bring benefits, but only incurred losses.

[pytar]

Politics is such a thing ... they say one thing and do another ... As interests dictate. Interests are business. In fact, nothing is what it looks like at first glance. I'll tell you why rich countries are rich! Because they play this game better than others. And also at home, do not put carpets on the walls.

[Alsur]

Quote: Civil

This is the result of a weakening of influence ... Ceausescu, no matter how swaggering, was afraid to breathe against the USSR once again.

You are in vain, read the story. For example, China also fought with Romanian weapons for Damansky Island. Romania was in tough opposition, along with the same China, Albania and some other sots. countries in relation to the Khrushchev USSR. They were not very afraid of the USSR.

[Pavel57]

Quote: dedBoroded

Only you don't need to release them anymore.

Only to compel peace.

[Roma 1977]

And when, within the framework of the decommunization of Hungary, will they return Transylvania, which Stalin handed over to Romania? Or again: "This is different"?

[Popov I.P.]

Small satellites of Hitler raise their heads. But the Romanians left a bloody trail in Odessa, in the Crimea, in the North Caucasus and in other regions of the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR. And in 1944-1945. small Hitlerite mongrels (Finland, Romania. Bulgaria, etc.) quickly saw the light and went over to the side of the anti-Hitler coalition, thereby avoiding the Nyurba tribunals and serious reparations. What to take from the traitors ...