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Inside out NATO

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Inside out NATO

We often write about NATO. Simply because the actions of this military bloc threaten us. Sometimes it is straightforward, as happened with the expansion of the alliance to the east. More often when the bloc is referred to as the basis for the defense of small European states or when NATO forces strike at unprotected or completely unprotected settlements or even countries.


Our negative attitude towards NATO has become traditional. This was largely facilitated by the admiration for the alliance of our former allies from the OVD bloc, who deserted to the alliance after the collapse of the USSR. It is the former allies that are today the most "noisy" supporters and admirers of NATO.

It is difficult to blame them for this. This is the fate of small countries. It is difficult for them, more precisely, it is impossible for them to conduct an independent foreign policy, and therefore they seek "under the wing" of stronger, more powerful economically and militarily states. And in order to get a slightly tastier bone, they have to bark a little louder than the rest.

NATO inside out


Have you ever noticed that in our society there is some bias in assessing the opinions of others? Some radicalism? There are two opinions: one is mine, ours, and the second is that of our opponents. At the same time, we completely reject even the good ideas of our opponents. The enemy cannot have competent and correct ideas! It's more convenient for us. There is always someone to blame for our failures. He took us not there. Not Moses ...

Meanwhile, in Western countries, those who research and promote a completely different point of view on some problem feel quite comfortable. Whether it's military or civilian. They do not oppose the government and the state, do not preach any other ideology, they offer a different solution to the problem.

It is this point of view that I propose to consider today. A couple of days ago I came across an interesting article called What Planet Is NATO Living On? (What planet does NATO live on?), Written by American CODEPINK (Code Pink: Women for Peace) activists Medea Benjamin and freelance journalist Nicholas J.S. Davis.

The article was written following the February meeting of NATO defense ministers. More precisely, the new concept of the alliance to build up military power under the brand name of the fight against Beijing and Moscow - "NATO 2030: Together for a New Era." The concept is quite well-known, it is for it that today it is planned to arm the units and formations of the block, change the military doctrine, and so on.

The authors, it seems to me, expressed their main concerns at the beginning of the article. China and Russia are nuclear powers, and the response of these powers to the insolent actions of the United States and its NATO allies can be quite tough. Well, the understanding that in modern war there will no longer be places where you can take a break from the war inspires optimism.

And yet, after a short excursion into history the emergence of the alliance in 1949, the material raises a question that should really arise in most Europeans and Americans. The United States and 11 European countries have created a bloc to confront communism and the USSR as its bearer. How did it happen that immediately after the end of the Cold War and the collapse of the USSR, the alliance became aggressive and brought wars to other countries?

“NATO clearly and urgently needs to reflect on its bloody history. Why does an organization nominally dedicated to containing war and keeping peace continue to unleash wars, killing thousands and leaving countries around the world mired in violence, chaos and poverty? "

Well, and one more accurate conclusion from American journalists. The fact that for the United States, Europeans are just cannon fodder. Just "cattle", I apologize for such a comparison, which is not a pity to send for slaughter.

“Any war between the United States and the Soviet Union or Russia has always put Europeans directly on the front line as combatants and cannon fodder. NATO's main task is to ensure that the peoples of Europe continue to play their assigned roles in America's war plans. "

The authors also disclose the military plans of NATO in relation to China and Russia. Both countries will have to be hit in all areas. Moreover, if for an attack on the Russian Federation, mainly ground and air bombings and missile strikes will be used, then aircraft carriers will become the main ones for the PRC. And after the destruction of the main facilities, armored units invade the territory of both states and act there until Moscow or Beijing admits defeat.

I understand that the plan that I voiced above caused a smile from most readers. Some recalled the "colossus with feet of clay" from the statement of one very aggressive leader of the European people. Some patted the metal of Triumph. Some wiped the triplex on "their" 72nd ... But this is a valid NATO attack plan, codenamed "US Army in multilateral operations" ...

"... Moscow's defense strategy in the face of such an existential threat is not to surrender, but to take revenge on Washington and their allies with a nuclear strike."

The world is changing, only NATO is not changing


Everyone understands that the modern world is different from the one that existed under the USSR. The era of the "Chinese walls" is over. The West's desire to economically tie China and Russia to itself also had a negative side.

The use of resources, labor and production potential of these countries for their own purposes led not only to the dependence of Moscow and Beijing on the West, but also to the dependence of the West on these countries. This dependence is growing constantly. The West cannot develop without the resources of Russia and the industrial potential of China.

This was well noted by the authors of the material in question:

"NATO does not seem to notice the changing dynamics of the modern world, as if it is living on another planet."

In addition, the Americans especially noted the duplicity of the United States and NATO. In particular, they talk about numerous violations of international law by the West.

“NATO tried to forget about the violation of the NATO non-expansion treaty, about the withdrawal of the United States from important arms control treaties, about more than 300 thousand bombs and missiles dropped by the Pentagon and its allies on other countries since 2001, about the wars through US intermediaries in Libya and Syria, which plunged both states into chaos, spawning various terrorist organizations. The "harsh reality of history" of the States speaks of the country as a "serial aggressor."

Summarizing all the above facts, the authors of the article come to the conclusion that it is necessary to dissolve NATO as a military bloc that has fulfilled its original task and interferes with the normal life of Europe, the United States and other countries today.

Instead of conclusions


I deliberately set out in such detail the point of view of Benjamin and Davis on the existence of the alliance. In many ways, I agree with the conclusions made by American journalists. NATO is really more of a hindrance than a help today. And the defense, as shown by numerous exercises, from the side of this block is rather illusory.

Of course, I know that in the ranks of the generals of the alliance there is an opinion about NATO as the most successful military bloc in the history of mankind. And the recent statement of the Commander of the US European Command and the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces of NATO in Europe, General Tod Walters, I read:

“Russia is the threat to the existence of the United States and Europe. Russia is taking various aggressive actions around the world, despite universal condemnation. "

"Russia is committing malicious actions aimed at destabilizing the whole world, many of these actions are taking place in Europe."

"Russia continues to pose a threat to the existence of the United States and our European allies."

And I will not consider the presented material as a development of the army think tank. The opinion of one, albeit a reputable organization. No more. However, the very appearance of such material speaks volumes. There is a growing understanding in the United States that the existing balance of power no longer corresponds to the tasks set.

And here the dog is buried. I am sure that Pentagon analysts have also studied this article. It turns out that the plan "US Army in multilateral operations" must be changed, recognizing it as inconsistent with the situation and unrealizable in practice. A new plan is needed ...
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 2 March 2021 15: 06
    +8
    A new plan is needed ...
    \
    They have it .. to send Ukraine, the Balts and Poland to the war with Russia .. if before Russia itself does not disintegrate under the control of effective managers .. whom they taught economics.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 2 March 2021 15: 09
      -2
      Quote: Svarog
      A new plan is needed ...
      \
      They have it .. to send Ukraine, the Baltic states and Poland to the war with Russia ...


      Already sent ... only now Russia did not appear ... and all thanks to effective managers.
      Russia took the critically important thing for itself, and without bloodshed (again thanks to effective managers) ...
      By the way, before that, terrorists of all the bridges were sent ... and effective managers packed this crap in a box ... many have forgotten about it ..
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 2 March 2021 15: 17
        -4
        Quote: Nasr
        Already sent ... only now Russia did not appear ... and all thanks to effective managers.

        Has Russia just appeared on its own, or did they just give us Crimea? ..thanks to effective managers .. and now they are preparing an answer .. it takes time, to raise a generation of young people who are saturated with hatred of Russia and do not remember kinship .. to prepare the ground .. (in general, it is already ready) .. and in a convenient the moment to go to recapture the Crimea, Donbas .. or Kaliningrad ..
        The scenarios can of course be different, but the most effective is just to leave everything as it is .. no need to fight with Russia .. the country's leadership will win Russia itself .. Just like under Gorbachev .. or Yeltsin ... now it's Putin's turn .. Only high oil prices can postpone this "victory."
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 2 March 2021 15: 30
          +2
          Our negative attitude towards NATO has become traditional. This was largely facilitated by the admiration for the alliance of our former allies from the OVD bloc, who deserted to the alliance after the collapse of the USSR. It is the former allies that are today the most "noisy" supporters and admirers of NATO.

          It is difficult to blame them for this. This is the fate of small countries.


          Is it worth it to "play solitaire" based only on the area occupied by some states on the map, in order to judge their viability?

          1. Svarog
            Svarog 2 March 2021 15: 32
            +5
            Quote: Insurgent
            Our negative attitude towards NATO has become traditional. This was largely facilitated by the admiration for the alliance of our former allies from the OVD bloc, who deserted to the alliance after the collapse of the USSR. It is the former allies that are today the most "noisy" supporters and admirers of NATO.

            It is difficult to blame them for this. This is the fate of small countries.


            Is it worth it to "play solitaire" based only on the area occupied by some states on the map, in order to judge their viability?


            You forgot to add all the allies here .. USA, England, Japan, Australia, Canada .. they will all join in the event of a major mess ..
            Well, the motivation is spelled out in your table. We also need a table of minerals here ..
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 2 March 2021 15: 41
              +2
              Quote: Svarog
              You forgot to add all the allies here .. USA, England, Japan, Australia, Canada .. they will all join in the event of a major mess ..

              Based on the message of the author, in which he referred to the behavior of the "Young Europeans" who were previously included in the sphere of influence of the USSR, there is no mistake in my commentary.

              Yes, some of their "former", dwarfs in every sense, but for example Poland, or the Outskirts, can not be called "small countries".
              But, nevertheless, with their size, they are not independent ...
              1. dSK
                dSK 2 March 2021 17: 31
                +1
                Quote: Insurgent
                they are not independent ...

                There are new plans:
                the project of the controlled block is running = "Georgia - Ukraine - Moldova"... Countries that have "lost" their territory as a result of Russia's "actions" are easier to incite on it as a first blow and remain on the sidelines themselves. "Cheap and cheerful".
                The military expenditures of all NATO members together account for more than 70 percent of the global total for military expenditures ...
          2. zenion
            zenion 3 March 2021 15: 39
            -2
            The countries that were part of the USSR were huge. You could drive everything from any direction and no one asked what the hell you were doing here. From Moscow to the very outskirts, from the southern mountains, to the northern seas, a person passes as the master of his immense homeland. Everyone understood each other and boasted about what a huge, powerful country.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 3 March 2021 15: 45
              +1
              Quote: zenion
              The countries that were part of the USSR were huge.

              I am frightened by your ideas about the vastness of the Baltics, or Armenia and Moldova.

              And besides, it was mainly not about the former republics of the USSR, which suddenly became "independent", but about the Eastern European countries that were part of the sphere of influence of the USSR.
              1. zenion
                zenion 3 March 2021 15: 48
                -1
                These were not separate countries - it was the USSR. And the European countries that were part of the Warsaw Pact countries? They left, but the USSR still remained.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 3 March 2021 15: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: zenion
                  These were not separate countries - it was the USSR... And the European countries that were part of the Warsaw Pact countries? They left, but the USSR still remained.


                  Here you are stoned ...

                  The author writes in the article:
                  Our negative attitude towards NATO has become traditional. This was largely facilitated by the admiration for the alliance of our former allies from the OVD bloc, who deserted to the alliance after the collapse of the USSR..


                  So, will we discuss the material presented in the article, or your insinuations in a free presentation? ...
        2. Nasrat
          Nasrat 2 March 2021 15: 33
          +1
          Quote: Svarog
          ... now it's Putin's turn ... ..

          Do not wait! tongue
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 2 March 2021 15: 42
            +2
            Quote: Nasr
            Quote: Svarog
            ... now it's Putin's turn ... ..

            Do not wait! tongue

            I just don't expect this .. and naturally I don't want to. But the objective reality is this.
            When they decided to react to the coup in Ukraine and raised the Russians in Ukraine and Donbass, then it was necessary to think about all the consequences and calculate them ..
            Personally, then, I began to approve of Putin's actions again ... because I thought that by taking such a serious step, he would take up his internal affairs seriously. But as usual, everything remained on half measures .. He has no strategy, there is reflection .. that's what I understood.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat 2 March 2021 16: 10
              -1
              Quote: Svarog

              When they decided to react to the coup in Ukraine and raised the Russians in Ukraine and Donbass, then it was necessary to think about all the consequences and calculate them ..
              .

              It is not possible to calculate everything, for one simple reason - too large a list of existing facilities, subjects, etc. .. The commander-in-chief solved the strategic task in Crimea, the issue of security and access to the southern seas ... Did Russia have the strength to digest the entire southeast of Ukraine? Not sure from the word at all! Time is ticking and everything is still ahead.


              Quote: Svarog

              Personally, then, I began to approve of Putin's actions again ... because I thought that by taking such a serious step, he would take up his internal affairs seriously. ...

              If it were not serious, then they would have lived according to the Ukrainian scenario, they would have stood in line at the IMF .. And they received appointments from Washington ..
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 2 March 2021 16: 21
                +2
                It is not possible to calculate everything,

                The fact that there will be sanctions is obvious, there is nothing to calculate. So it was necessary to prepare for low oil prices and other restrictions. This means that it is necessary to clean the ranks and switch to a planned economy .. In general, there are enough examples in history of how it was necessary to act. And naturally, the LDNR had to be included in Russia as well .. Seeing such decisive actions, the rest of the Russian-speaking part of Ukraine would behave differently and it would be possible to organize a real pro-Russian party. In general, he does not calculate anything ..
                If it were not serious, then they would live according to the Ukrainian scenario, they would stand in line at the IMF.


                We are already on the verge of ... this line ... and we have not gone far from Ukraine and left only thanks to natural resources ..
            2. Pensive Lawyer
              Pensive Lawyer 2 March 2021 16: 39
              0
              It would be interesting to hear your suggestions for management.
              It is desirable immediately with the sources of their funding, with approximate estimates.
              For example, I see the strengthening of the state apparatus. I see the strengthening of the power structures. I see the results on the economic stability of the state.
              And, knowing the basics of economics, which are taught in the same law schools for a couple of semesters, I understand the reasons and the inevitability of unpopular reforms.
              Moreover, I understand where everything is going, and that I will not have a pension, and I do not see this as a problem.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 2 March 2021 17: 01
                +6
                Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                I understand the reasons and inevitability of unpopular reforms.
                Moreover, I understand where everything is going, and that I will not have a pension, and I do not see this as a problem.

                Dmitry Anatolyevich re-login.
                1. Pensive Lawyer
                  Pensive Lawyer 2 March 2021 21: 19
                  +1
                  Dmitry Anatolyevich of other political views smile
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 3 March 2021 13: 06
                    +1
                    Is it really a communist? what
                    1. Pensive Lawyer
                      Pensive Lawyer 3 March 2021 14: 53
                      0
                      I? Within certain limits, yes.
                      Our sleepy friend - oh, how not sure.
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 3 March 2021 15: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                        I? Within certain limits, yeah

                        Do not lie. You are by no means a communist. And in general, I asked about Anatolyich.
                      2. Pensive Lawyer
                        Pensive Lawyer 4 March 2021 11: 15
                        0
                        Wow, are we already on "you"? smile
                        I am a supporter of the Chinese model of communism. That is, such a hybrid of communism and capitalism.
                        Well, I don’t know about Anatolyevich, he’s there on the TV screen, and I’m at home on the couch, we didn’t intersect and we won’t intersect laughing
                      3. KOJIXO3HuK
                        KOJIXO3HuK 4 March 2021 12: 25
                        0
                        An interesting thought is "regulated capitalism". The essence of capitalism is accumulation for subsequent use, this will not change. Management of capitalism can delay the rate of accumulation. It may be that the Chinese version of socio-economic development is strictly in accordance with the Engels-Marxist theory. Maybe ... What we see now in Europe and the Americas tells us about the prevalence of the sin of money-grubbing over the cold mind of prudence. Moreover, we can say with absolute certainty that world capitalism has begun to digest itself. Money stopped working, money started making money. Who will eat the money? Who will heat their house with banknotes? Who will be responsible for everything ?? Aren't the FOUNDING FATHERS leading us to population decline? Isn't Vladimir Vladimirovich waging a political struggle against them?
                      4. andrew42
                        andrew42 5 March 2021 15: 06
                        +2
                        The collective "Vladimir Vladimirovich" actually reduces our population quite well. Faster than his Western rival athletes.
                    2. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 4 March 2021 19: 49
                      0
                      Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                      I am a supporter of the Chinese model of communism.

                      Which is never communism. And quite a capitalism, and even almost on the verge of fascism.
                      Quote: Pensive Lawyer
                      Well, I don’t know about Anatolyevich, he’s there on the TV screen, and I’m at home on the couch, we didn’t intersect and we won’t intersect

                      But at the same time you speak very confidently for his views.
      2. George Davydov
        George Davydov 16 March 2021 15: 53
        0
        In the country there are still those whom the United States put in power, so that they help rob all of us in their interests. It's time not only to understand this, but also to get rid of parasites!
  2. your1970
    your1970 5 March 2021 11: 14
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    a convenient moment to go to recapture the Crimea, Donbas .. or Kaliningrad ..

    Let's say - let's go, let's say - the RF Armed Forces surrendered, let's say - no nuclear weapons strike was struck, let's say - they won ...
    ALLOW...
    What's next??? !!!
    Well, NATO has placed its thousand tanks in the cities and?
    How many forces and assets were required by the Wehrmacht to occupy only a part of the European part of the USSR ?!
    To create an occupation regime in the Russian Federation, NATO will need to expel FLOOR EUROPE with weapons to us? !!
    And Europe will subscribe to this, to sit in the middle of Russia ?? Schaz. ..
  3. andrew42
    andrew42 5 March 2021 15: 03
    0
    Sadly, the current Russian state is the Hospice, whose fence has been repaired and security has been strengthened. But the Hospice, whatever one may say, but the people are the patients of this Hospice. Resources are for export, livestock is converted into "oil", the economy is for the sake of "economy" (on paper), and not for the sake of raising the standard of living of fiscal slaves. Only degradation processes in the metropolises of our enemies are saving. This is how we live as long as we live ..
    1. George Davydov
      George Davydov 16 March 2021 15: 59
      0
      And who led to this? Organized perestroika and glasnost on the basis of Goebbels and other methodological guidelines, usurped power through a counter-revolutionary coup, brought the population to the Russian cross, and became rich, elected and successful? Oddly enough, the Forbes lists will help to figure this out, if you clarify the nationality. Isn't it time to clarify everything and draw conclusions?
      Otherwise, according to their road map, the entire hospice is shining a reservation in the far north. Do you want to rest there?
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 18 March 2021 20: 38
        0
        I do not understand, are you asking me a question? - about the "hospice" I see, agree. Then why a complaint against me? Do you want to debate about the anti-Russian / anti-socialist government? - so there is no reason for discussion, I see no disagreement.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 2 March 2021 15: 47
    +3
    Quote: Nasr
    By the way, before that, terrorists of all bridges were sent ...

    To the toilet or what? How many amnesties were there for them, don't you remember? Forgotten the ransom?
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 2 March 2021 16: 28
      +3
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Forgotten the ransom?

      And now all over Russia there is a program for the purchase of weapons from the population. What is the problem then?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 2 March 2021 16: 34
        0
        Quote: Terenin
        What is the problem then?

        Yes, nothing. Announcing an amnesty to terrorists with the simultaneous ransom of weapons from them is, you know, somehow not associated with victory, and even more so with packing in a box.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 2 March 2021 16: 37
          +4
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Yes, nothing.

          That's it.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 2 March 2021 16: 39
            0
            Quote: Terenin
            That's it.

            What, exactly? There is nothing to say about the second part of my commentary, as I understand it?
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 2 March 2021 17: 04
              +3
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              There is nothing to say about the second part of my commentary, as I understand it?

              You understand correctly.
    2. George Davydov
      George Davydov 16 March 2021 16: 01
      0
      Have you forgotten about the fifth column? It's time to get rid of it. How? The civilized west on the example of Berezovsky and others showed how.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 2 March 2021 16: 25
    +3
    Inside out NATO
    To look better and slowly, you need to turn NATO inside out yes
  • Berber
    Berber 2 March 2021 16: 40
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    They have it .. to send Ukraine, the Balts and Poland to the war with Russia .. if before Russia itself does not disintegrate under the control of effective managers .. whom they taught economics.

    Again for his own. Like a carbon copy. Not tired?
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 2 March 2021 15: 08
    -6
    And where in the article about NATO from the inside?
    A typical set of phrases about the uselessness and incompetence of the alliance, which pop up at an enviable frequency in the media and remain forgotten.
    Expectations from reading did not come true.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 2 March 2021 15: 44
      +3
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      And where in the article about NATO from the inside?
      A typical set of phrases about the uselessness and incompetence of the alliance, which pop up at an enviable frequency in the media and remain forgotten.

      But something is imperceptible that NATO is beginning to disintegrate.
      1. zenion
        zenion 3 March 2021 15: 45
        +1
        NATO has already been two times. The first time under Napoleon, the second time under Hitler. And, every time they moved towards Russia, they fell apart.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 3 March 2021 16: 55
          0
          Quote: zenion
          NATO has already been two times. The first time under Napoleon, the second time under Hitler. And, every time they moved towards Russia, they fell apart.

          And even in the 30 year war they were. Russia was lucky that, like dogs, they gnawed at each other. The tsars have taken this lesson into account, otherwise there would have been more NATO.
  • credo
    credo 2 March 2021 15: 17
    +2
    Have you ever noticed that in our society there is some bias in assessing the opinions of others? Some radicalism? There are two opinions: one is mine, ours, and the second is that of our opponents. At the same time, we completely reject even the good ideas of our opponents. The enemy cannot have competent and correct ideas! It's more convenient for us. There is always someone to blame for our failures. He took us not there. Not Moses ...


    The author of the article seems to be seriously mistaken in his conclusions, because sober views on the existence of NATO and the role assigned to the European "allies" of the United States in the alleged wars on the European continent are constantly voiced by retired military men and politicians, both in the EU and in the United States.
    So the point of view of the two journalists has nothing new in itself except the statement of a known fact.
    I remember Macron also broadcasting something about the death of NATO, but NATO did not fall apart from this and still feels cheerful, spilling such "giants" of Russophobia as Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova to balance.
  • Destiny
    Destiny 2 March 2021 15: 17
    +13
    The world is changing, only NATO is not changing

    As they were (as they put it mildly under the USSR)
    probable enemy, and remain such.
    1. Clear
      Clear 2 March 2021 15: 41
      +8
      And after the destruction of the main objects, armored units invade the territory of the state and operate there until Moscow recognizes defeat.


      And, such a scenario was not provanged by the strategists from NATA?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 2 March 2021 16: 39
        +6
        And, such a scenario was not provanged by the strategists from NATA?

        To begin with, such a flag must be hung over the Kremlin again.
        1. Clear
          Clear 2 March 2021 16: 58
          +4
          Quote: paul3390
          And, such a scenario was not provanged by the strategists from NATA?

          To begin with, such a flag must be hung over the Kremlin again.

          So start
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 2 March 2021 17: 07
            +2
            Beginning. As far as I can - I work in this direction .. In the meantime - in the vast expanses of Russia, the following is happening:

            Activists of the "Young Guard of United Russia" (MG ER) laid flowers at the grave of Hungarian prisoners of war as part of the patriotic action "Defend the memory of heroes." They reported on the work done on social networks, but after a wave of indignant comments, the publications were rushed to delete, the portal Ural2.Ru writes on March 56.

            The mass grave of Hungarian prisoners of war is located in the village of Mostostroy, where on February 22 the participants of the Orsk branch of the MG ER went together with the Youth Chamber and the Russian Youth Union. Flowers were also laid at the memorial plaque on the house where the Hero of the Soviet Union Anatoly Puzikov lived. In the reporting publication, the activists wrote: "Let's honor history together and remember that" the war is over only when the last soldier is buried. "

            The situation was commented on by the head of the Orenburg regional branch of MG EP, who apologized for the mistake. According to him, young activists were convinced that in World War II Hungary was an ally of the USSR.
            1. Clear
              Clear 2 March 2021 17: 17
              -1
              Quote: paul3390
              In the meantime, this is what happens in the vast expanses of Russia:

              Quote: paul3390
              young activists from the village of Mostostroy were sure that in World War II Hungary was an ally of the USSR.


              A group of young activists from a village in the Urals, with flowers, this is of course a terrible tragedy winked
              And, here, in the vast expanses of the United States, you are certainly not concerned about this:
              Since 2015, cops in the States have been killing an average of three citizens a day, preferring not to detain suspects in committing crimes, but to immediately fire to kill.

              In 2019, the US police killed 993 people - this figure can already be compared with 17 American citizens killed by criminals.

        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 2 March 2021 17: 06
          +1
          Filthy guards draw this only in pictures, on occasion, not forgetting to pour mud on the bloody scoop. And in reality, we have blackboards for the Mannerheims, speeches about the need for monuments to the Reds and a sluggish decommunization, but this is certainly not something that is different in Ukraine.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 2 March 2021 17: 02
        -3
        There are still not enough piles of earflaps. More rotten bourgeois urapatriotism is more.
      3. George Davydov
        George Davydov 16 March 2021 16: 11
        +2
        Germany and the USSR were not only competitors, but also enemies of England, which did everything to play them off in a fratricidal war under the guise of protection from communism. This led to the establishment of the Red Banner of Victory over Berlin. At the same time, the United States received the maximum benefit. And as usual in that world, the task was again to remove the competitor by someone else's hands. Therefore, this plot - the Victory Banner, they look over Washington. Therefore, probably. and the capture of Capital, should be viewed as a warning to a competitor. Truly, the ways of the Lord are incomprehensible!
        1. Clear
          Clear 16 March 2021 17: 51
          +3
          Quote: Georgy Davydov
          Germany and the USSR were not only competitors, but also enemies of England,

          They have remained to this day.
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 2 March 2021 15: 26
    +9
    The original goal of NATO, real, not declared, is: the United States is the hegemon, the rest are its vassals. And the enemy - he can change - the communist USSR, communist China, capitalist Russia, Venezuela, Iraq, Libya ... Yes, even India or Djibouti - absolutely not important!
    The main thing is revealed in the saying: "I perceive a dollar in someone else's pocket as a personal insult!"
    A nation of bandits, thieves, murderers, adventurers of all stripes, just crooks and scum cannot live otherwise.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 2 March 2021 15: 47
      +5
      I, with your permission, will add an ending.
      A nation of bandits, thieves, murderers, adventurers of all stripes, just crooks and scum cannot live otherwise.
      And she shouldn't live !!! hi
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 2 March 2021 15: 34
    +9
    NATO creates the illusion
    look the whole civilized world against
    further substitute the name of the state. those. it is not the United States that decided to rob and kill some state, but the world is fighting something bad. In reality, there are fewer countries with a strong army in NATO than there are member countries, what is the use, for example, with the Georgians in Iraq? Only in order to demonstrate that the whole world is here ... But even if NATO is disbanded (this will not happen), then the desire to rob someone will still remain, there will simply be another screen.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 2 March 2021 15: 44
    +2
    So the trick is something, while the striped ones will be here at our borders for 30 days, collecting only 30, as they conceived, they may find that they simply will have nowhere to return. Kirdyk will fly to those states from across the sea-ocean. Enough to play with toys and wait until they hit us in the face. The best defense is to deliver a preemptive strike, as VVP said.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 2 March 2021 15: 55
    +1
    All this parsley with NATO is just an echo of the economy, it seems to me.
    Fact once - the US economy is no longer the world's leading economy.
    Conclusion once: The existence of NATO as an ultimatum force on the planet - the US army and its satellites in the role of just cannon fodder - loses all meaning, because in the conflict between the US and China, even if the US wins, the meat will be destroyed in any case. For them, NATO is meaningless. After the collapse of the USSR, the meaning was - Germany. for example, it pursues a policy of infringing upon someone not from NATO, the same China or its ally, without consequences. For there is an ultimatum force, its ally. Now this will lead to the fact that in the harsh version Germany will be rolled out, and the United States will not intervene - any conflict with China or, for example, Russia will weaken it so that China or the Russian Federation will finish off the remnants. Therefore NATO cannot provide military support to Germany. Germany's NATO is pointless.
    The rest to chew for a long time, who wants to, think about the introductory:
    * The conflict between TNCs and the state in the United States - their goals are directly opposite.
    * Crisis of the imperialist model - the unshared markets are over
    * Formation of generally closed clusters around the world - the Asia-Pacific cluster is fully formed with the dominance of China, the Western European cluster is practically formed with the dominance of Germany and France ... The Middle East ...
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 2 March 2021 16: 17
    +2
    The article does not indicate the main thing, NATO is a business. And good. Sell military junk to new members. Plus technical service. And the rest is advertising, for selling junk. If NATO dissolves, how much junk will remain unsold. Business and nothing personal.
  • Gato
    Gato 2 March 2021 16: 50
    0
    Have you ever noticed that in our society there is some bias in assessing the opinions of others?

    Never noticed wassat Why evaluate knowingly erroneous opinions? laughing
    In fact: NATO was created to counter the socialist USSR. The USSR is no longer (or is it so far?) - but NATO remains. Is there a possibility that Russia will again take the socialist path? Small, but not nil. Therefore, NATO will not go anywhere and will not dissolve itself.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 2 March 2021 17: 01
    0
    I am not an expert in NATO, but even I understand .. NATO was a strong bloc only when it included powerful states. And now, in the block, half of the beggars and small beggars, with one tank and two machine guns. Such as the Baltic dwarfs, Romania and so on.
    Previously, it was a union of the strong. Now is a gathering of the weak. Will the United States begin to fight for some sort of Romania or Lithuania? It remains to admit the Chubats to the bloc and Georgia. One plus in the bloc is the ability to sell the old rubbish to NATO members.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 2 March 2021 17: 13
    +3
    Oh, we found someone to refer to! To Medea Benjamin with her CODEPINK!
    She is a leftist and a liberal who was expelled from the society of leftists and liberals for leftism and liberalism.
    The author's vengeances in her direction, a very reckless thing - this is exactly as long as it seems to sink in the direction you need.
    But you simply have to know that all your (not to be mentioned by nightfall) Russian liberals and leftists combined, in comparison with her and her office, are a junior kindergarten.
    In two dozen countries, this office is prohibited, and Medea is persona non grata. In our area, it was also celebrated. A corrosive lady, you know. The entrance to her was blocked for a couple of years, and from Egypt, in general, they were pushed out by force.
    1. zenion
      zenion 3 March 2021 16: 00
      0
      So after all, Mikhail Zadornov was also banned from entering some countries. Didn't that make him stupid, or didn't tell the truth.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 5 March 2021 21: 15
        +2
        Quote: zenion
        So after all, Mikhail Zadornov was also banned from entering some countries. Didn't that make him stupid, or didn't tell the truth.

        Sorry, somehow missed your comment.
        Zadornov was banned from entering only Ukraine. As they say in your area: "You have to answer for the market." These are your local spill graters - you yourself prohibit / allow yourself. lol

        Everyone thinks that for "They are all stupid there!" his visa to the United States was canceled. Nothing like this. Americans do not pay attention to the antics of court Jesters. It's shallow. But when a roasted rooster pecked in the ass, Zadornov hesitated to contact the states. After so many years that I called them that, it was not convenient, and in fact, it is quite possible that I could still live and live.
        And he was not a leftist, and he was not a liberal. So, you gave a bad example. hi
  • Nikolay73
    Nikolay73 3 March 2021 09: 50
    0
    Eh, no! Too all this reminds a gingerbread house ... As for me, we are to blame for the fact that they want to eat and only money matters ... no need to attribute to the wolves the nobility that they never had and could not have, with their charter in someone else's alliance does not climb.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 3 March 2021 12: 12
    0
    Meanwhile, in Western countries those who research and promote a completely different point of view on some problem feel quite comfortable.
    It seems that some people are making a claim for the future)
    I am sure that Pentagon analysts have also studied this article.

    I am sure that these analysts wrote it. I would advise the author to read the biography of a certain Azef, Evno Fishelevich. Of course, there is a "different point of view" in the West. Those who agree with her, at least in part, conveniently gather around her bearers. And these people then feel uncomfortable all their lives) It is not clear why))
  • George Davydov
    George Davydov 16 March 2021 15: 43
    0
    NATO is one of the organizations of the alliance of capitalist countries, the task of which is in the armed defense of Capital in the course of the contested struggle for resources with other countries. At the same time, using the example of the fact that this organization was created to protect Europe from communism, how not to remember the previous defender from this threat, and now communism was destroyed during the Cold War with the help of the fifth column, and Russia is still the main enemy, along with China, which was deliberately developed, this suggests that NATO is entrusted with the task of ensuring the leadership of the United States in the world of capital, where satellites are, like cattle, cannon fodder for providing comfortable conditions for the owner. All this is well shown in the article. But the current situation in the United States shows that there is no unity there either. Moreover, the current imperious camarilla, using everything that is possible to win the current president, has shown that for them the American people themselves are a means for establishing world domination. At the same time, in the United States itself, they divide people and incite various forms of non-violence in order to play off and weaken their competitors inside the country, then unite and use them to conquer world domination. Therefore, we see the attitude to others as to livestock not only to the population of other countries, called upon to be the striking force of the shepherds, but also to our own. And this already raises the question: who is this, for whom others are not equal to them? And the answer is given by Judaism, which divides humanity into two parts - Jews and goyim - which are closer to cattle. And since for these it is Russia that is the main enemy, I will give a speech and quotes, a link to which I will give.
    "Https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/6326443/post430608811
    KHABAD LYUBAVICH: PLANS FOR RUSSIA SUBMITTED THE GENUINE TEXT OF MENACHEM M. SCHNEERSON'S SPEECH
    The Slavs, and among them the Russians, are the most rebellious people in the world. He is rebellious due to the warehouse of his mental and mental abilities, laid down by many generations of ancestors, genes that cannot be altered. A Slav, a Russian, can be destroyed, but never conquered. That is why this seed is subject to elimination, and at first - to a sharp reduction in its numbers.
    7. But the main thing is money. They do everything. They are power. They are strength. Whoever has money has a weapon. Ultramodern. That one has a mercenary army. Money owns the media fooled by billions of human cattle. Bribe the people we need. They remove the recalcitrant. Resisting fans - Iraqis, Serbs, and in the future - Russians are being bombed. Everything is decided by capital and the seizure of power. We have been practicing the accumulation of capital and the seizure of power for more than three millennia, and no one can compare with us in this matter. You have no money of your own. The authorities too. You don't have them, and you won't! We will not give it! We hate you immensely! This hatred gives strength to smile sweetly in your face, to take root in you and guide you, showing you “care” for you and your children, future grandchildren and great-grandchildren who will not actually appear. You are doomed. And until you understand this simple truth, as long as you twitch, until then you will be beaten more than you should. If you are obedient, there will be 65-70 million of you, otherwise - 40-45. "
    1. George Davydov
      George Davydov 16 March 2021 16: 30
      0
      NATO is one of the organizations of the alliance of capitalist countries, whose task is to defend Capital in an armed struggle during the competition for resources with other countries. At the same time, using the example of the fact that this organization was created to protect Europe from communism, how not to remember the previous defender from this threat, and now communism was destroyed during the Cold War with the help of the fifth column, and Russia is still the main enemy, along with China, which was deliberately developed, this suggests that NATO is entrusted with the task of ensuring the leadership of the United States in the world of capital, where satellites are, like cattle, cannon fodder to ensure comfortable conditions for the owner. All this is well shown in the article. But the current situation in the United States shows that there is no unity there either. Moreover, the current imperious camarilla, using everything that is possible to win the current president, has shown that for them the American people themselves are a means for establishing world domination. At the same time, in the United States itself, they divide people and incite various forms of hatred in order to play off and weaken their competitors inside the country, then unite and use them to conquer world domination. Therefore, we see the attitude to others as to cattle not only to the population of other countries, called upon to be the striking force of the shepherds, but also to our own. And this already raises the question: who is this, for whom others are not equal to them? And the answer is given by Judaism, which divides humanity into two parts - Jews and goyim - which are closer to cattle. And since for these it is Russia that is the main enemy, I will give a speech and quotes, a link to which I will give.
      "Https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/6326443/post430608811
      KHABAD LYUBAVICH: PLANS FOR RUSSIA SUBMITTED THE GENUINE TEXT OF MENACHEM M. SCHNEERSON'S SPEECH
      The Slavs, and among them the Russians, are the most rebellious people in the world. He is rebellious due to the warehouse of his mental and mental abilities, laid down by many generations of ancestors, genes that cannot be altered. A Slav, a Russian, can be destroyed, but never conquered. That is why this seed is subject to elimination, and at first - to a sharp reduction in its numbers.
      7. But the main thing is money. They do everything. They are power. They are strength. Whoever has money has a weapon. Ultramodern. That one has a mercenary army. Money owns the media fooled by billions of human cattle. Bribe the people we need. They remove the recalcitrant. Resisting fans - Iraqis, Serbs, and in the future - Russians are being bombed. Everything is decided by capital and the seizure of power. We have been practicing the accumulation of capital and the seizure of power for more than three millennia, and no one can compare with us in this matter. You have no money of your own. The authorities too. You don't have them, and you won't! We will not give it! We hate you immensely! This hatred gives strength to smile sweetly in your face, to take root in you and guide you, showing you “care” for you and your children, future grandchildren and great-grandchildren who will not actually appear. You are doomed. And until you understand this simple truth, as long as you twitch, until then you will be beaten more than you should. If you are obedient, there will be 65-70 million of you, otherwise - 40-45. "
  • Fisherman
    Fisherman 17 March 2021 15: 28
    0
    NATO is the Reich under the control of the United States, which remained only to continue the colonial policy of the "civilizers", because each of the members does not pull so many wars alone. And the Reich is building a small NATO from the former republics of the USSR to burn them in fire with Russia, so that Russia would lose people, funds and .... face in the slaughter.
  • Berkut752
    Berkut752 18 March 2021 18: 57
    0
    Alexander Staver, I have not read your opus to the end, you are probably a civilian, write a lot tediously ...........................