The new control complex for anti-tank units "Zavet" went to the troops

Command and observation vehicle (KNM) of the commander of the anti-tank battalion

Ruselectronics has started serial deliveries of the Zavet automated control systems for anti-tank formations. This was reported by the press service of Rostec.

The complex provides target designation to anti-tank formations and makes it possible to organize the repulsion of an attack by enemy armored vehicles. Target detection is provided using an optical-electronic reconnaissance system and an external radar at a distance of 7 thousand meters, and recognition - 5 thousand. The ACS determines the direction and speed of the enemy's movement, classifies targets, distributes them according to the degree of danger, and then issues target designation to the calculations of anti-tank weapons in real time.

Reception and transmission of information is carried out both via wired channels and by radio. The capabilities of the complex allow you to exchange information at a distance of up to 100 km. In the event of a failure of command posts, "Zavet" transfers their functions to subordinate or higher authorities, thereby ensuring the continuity of anti-tank defense control.

It is noted that automated control systems significantly increase the effectiveness of various types of weapons.

The development and production of the Zavet complex is carried out by the Rubin research and production enterprise of the Vega concern of the Ruselectronics holding.

Comments

[Hunter 2]

Good luck!

[Terrible_L.]

Previously, we served the Motherland selflessly, but now we will serve the same way, but with the "Covenant")

[vkl.47]

The radar should be more powerful.

[tikhonov66]

"... The radar should be more powerful. ..."
Do not.
Have you ever seen a tank 5 km away?
8-))
And this is only once.
And two - so this is that on real terrain, direct visibility in 5 km is - well, very big RARE ...

[vkl.47]

In Syria, this is not uncommon; there is also more distance.

[lucul]

Target detection is provided using an optical-electronic reconnaissance system and an external radar at a distance of 7 thousand meters, and recognition - 5 thousand. The ACS determines the direction and speed of the enemy's movement, classifies targets, distributes them according to the degree of danger, and then issues target designation to the calculations of anti-tank weapons in real time.

Now our Israeli "partners" will come and say that Russia in the tank forces has lagged behind the West forever)))

[Jacket in stock]

What kind of radar is this if it sees a tank only from five km away?
40-60 tons of iron !!!
There foam drones "catch" for tens of kilometers.

[Flooding]

Quote: Jacket in stock

What kind of radar is this if it sees a tank only from five km away?

does not see, but recognizes

Electromagnetic radiation in the outgoing message of a radar station depends on external factors of the environment (atmosphere) and the geometry of its propagation (in a straight line). This makes it impossible to detect objects beyond the visual horizon from the point of installation of the radar.

more on
https://seacomm.ru/dokumentacija/4980/

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Flood

Electromagnetic radiation in the outgoing message of a radar station depends on external factors of the environment (atmosphere) and the geometry of its propagation (in a straight line). This makes it impossible to detect objects beyond the visual horizon.

I didn't understand about the atmosphere.
And about the visual horizon, so that's the radar and the remote control, to raise it higher. Have you heard about the UAV?

[Flooding]

Quote: Jacket in stock

And about the visual horizon, so that's the radar and the remote control, to raise it higher.

virtually leading edge machine
what are you talking about? where higher to raise? here mobility is important, and you propose to put it up for general inspection

do not you assume that "remote" can mean not up, but outside the complex itself?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Flood

do not you assume that "remote" can mean not up, but outside the complex itself?

I suppose, and even have a rough idea of ​​how it works.
I just don't understand why there is no UAV in the standard kit.

And by the way, here just recently someone posted a photo of our domestic robot mini-tractor with exactly the same optical-electronic attachment and with a 3-meter mast.
So, in fact, there are higher options even without the UAV.

[Flooding]

Quote: Jacket in stock

I just don't understand why there is no UAV in the standard kit.

UAVs are not effectively used at such a short distance against armored vehicles in conditions of constant movement of the latter during hostilities.
how do you imagine that?
while it takes off, flies around a limited area, running the risk of being shot down by enemy fire, the tanks will already be near the position of anti-tank weapons.
to the same for such use they should be disposable and cheap. since the chance of returning is minimal. but at the same time collect and identify as much information as possible. how many do you need to release them on the battlefield to replace one radar?
stupid things.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Flood

while it takes off, flies around a limited area, running the risk of being shot down by enemy fire, the tanks will already be near the position of anti-tank weapons.
to the same for such use, they must be disposable cheap

And what, while the crew installs the portable ground radar on the tripod, the enemy tanks will stand still and wait?
Funny.
The mobility of any UAV is much higher.
Likewise, about the risk of being destroyed, a stationary operating radar is the dream of any artilleryman, it's even better than a target in a shooting range. She is directing herself.
A flying radar can see further, and can rise higher, where not every cannon can reach, and can move across the battlefield much faster than any tank.

[Flooding]

all funny to you with a flying radar on a tactical uav for front line reconnaissance

[tikhonov66]

"... And what, while the crew installs the portable ground radar on the tripod, the enemy tanks will stand still and wait? ..."
- vaascheto line of anti-tank DEFENSE - being prepared IN ADVANCE ...
And this is MATCH!
- If "enemy tanks" appeared in line of sight with an unprepared defense - "drinking Borjomi" - it is already LATE. The speed of modern tanks on rough terrain is at least 60 km / h. Therefore, they will cover 2-3 km of "line of sight" in 2-3 minutes ...
- and you won't have time to mash.
8 - ((

[venik]

Quote: Jacket in stock

I didn't understand about the atmosphere.

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The link was provided to you: https://seacomm.ru/dokumentacija/4980/... Everything is detailed there ...
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Quote: Jacket in stock

And about the visual horizon, so that's the radar and the remote control, to raise it higher. Have you heard about the UAV?

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About UAVs - heard! Just did not hear that BPLA crawled on the ground ...

[Grognag]

Everything about the atmosphere is just the propagation of radio waves in the atmosphere very much depends primarily on the humidity of the atmosphere, and the radar on a drone is a drone the size of a fighter

[carstorm 11]

So this is a control machine))) reconnaissance will transfer data to it over the horizon) further 5000 is, as it were, problematic) the ground is not even and does not stand on three whales)

[Flooding]

Quote: carstorm 11

intelligence will transfer data to it over the horizon

reconnaissance is the very remote radar

[carstorm 11]

It's just one of the remedies)

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

And what is the combat stability of this machine based on the BMP will be on the battlefield? Optical detection devices assume its location in the line of sight. It seems that not everyone drew the correct conclusions from the war in Karabakh.

[Berber]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

And what is the combat stability of this BMP-based vehicle on the battlefield?

No air defense. But the fact is that anti-tank and tank units do not fight on their own, but always in interaction with other genera and species. So what about the conclusions - do not rush, military science is constantly working. And the experience of Syria has clearly proved this. If there had been political will, then Azeyborjan would not have advanced a hundred meters in this war. Nothing just happens.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay

And what is the combat stability of this BMP-based vehicle on the battlefield?

Exactly the same as the rest of the infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers of the unit, equipped with anti-tank systems with missiles without autonomous seeker, requiring line of sight of the target from guidance devices.

[venik]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Exactly the same as the rest of the infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers of the unit, equipped with anti-tank systems with missiles without autonomous seeker, requiring line of sight of the target from guidance devices.

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And "Javelin", "Nag", "Red Arrow 12", they that DO NOT require "line of sight of the target from guidance devices"???

[Prisoner]

This is "different".

[venik]

Quote: Captive

This is "different".

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WHAT is different?

[tikhonov66]

and ALL else
- as they say - in the best traditions of the "democratic" vocabulary ...
8-)))

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: venik

they do NOT require "line of sight of the target from guidance devices" ???

No, they do not require, because they always have a guidance device with them - an autonomous seeker. Primary target designation that the target exists and it is "somewhere out there", yes, requires, but no more.

[Old tanker]

Here, most likely, they were primarily based on a single chassis. ATGM "Chrysanthemum" just on the basis of the BMP-3. The anti-tank reserve (such as anti-tank units) is mobile and is not constantly on the front line. At the command of the senior commander, they move as part of the subunit to the specified line, repel / disrupt the attack of enemy tanks with literally one or two volleys and go into the area.
Therefore, it does not need particularly heavy booking. But the ability to swim may well come in handy.

[rocket757]

Ruselectronics has begun serial deliveries of Zavet automated control systems for anti-tank formations.

Intelligence, control and management automation ... everything you need.
Yes, also quality and reliability, without this it is also impossible.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

This is the new "Testament".

[Konnick]

Money is nowhere to go. For terrain as smooth as a table.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Konnick

Money is nowhere to go.

Where would you go?

[Konnick]

We have 10 rounds for the course of a young soldier, and 6500 for the American.
It would be better to shoot more for practical training of anti-tank units. Technicians crammed into the most ... but there is no money for the development. And money must be spent on creating a professional army. And then such soldiers come from the army, you ask them how to make an amendment for the side wind when firing from a grenade launcher, they answer - against the wind ... And they also have this electronics ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Konnick

We have 10 rounds for the course of a young soldier, and 6500 for the American.

So a conscript serves one year, but in America he serves several. Naturally, a contract soldier should be better prepared than a conscript.
Strange logic. As if a fanatical tanker complained about the runways, because for his adored tanks they are of no use, it means money is down the drain.

[Old tanker]

Since the early 2000s, we have not had a limit on the consumption of small arms ammunition.
Yes, in 3 weeks of the second stage of training a soldier in a young replenishment company, he must complete at least 2 practice shooting exercises.
According to 1 UUS of the current firing course, the number of cartridges is 15. In total, a young soldier must shoot at least 30 cartridges, and not 10, as you wrote.
Yes, this is not 6500, as indicated about the United States. But in the United States, the Basic training course lasts 22 weeks, not 3, as we have. And he prepares for service for a 3-year contract service, and not for a one-year draft. So you say so a little disingenuous.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Old Tankman

So you say so a little disingenuous.

I am almost sure that he is not dissembling, but openly lying.

[Konnick]

Well, why is this cannon fodder with a shot of 30 rounds, they do not know how to shoot from grenade launchers, but this Testament is snatched into them, it's good that it's not old .. And what is my craftiness?

[Old tanker]

The deceit is that our servicemen are generally not sent to the combat zone by conscription. So, what about the "cannon" meat "is not necessary.
The combat training program for motorized rifle units provides for at least three fire training sessions per week. One of them at night. And at least one weekly visit to the landfill per month. So for a year of service in the infantry, the fighter has a shot to the point of nausea. Including grenade launchers. As well as from PUS and grenades.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Konnick

And what is my craftiness?

Because you are comparing things that are only relatively comparable.
From a contract soldier they train a professional who knows how to fight. And the conscript will return home in a year and will study or work somewhere.

[Old tanker]

And the "Testament", for the control of not grenade launchers. This is the vehicle of the anti-tank battalion commander. The anti-tank divisions of the Russian army are armed with self-propelled ATGM "Shturm-S" or "Chrysanthemum" and MT-12M "Rapier" cannons. There are no grenade launchers there.

[Prisoner]

Maybe the lad is talking about the APU?

[tikhonov66]

Where does the lad VSU-shnaya sadness come from ?!
8-))

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Konnick

For terrain as smooth as a table

And all our ATGMs are only such, they can hit targets only in line of sight. There are no autonomous GOS, only in the future.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Jacket in stock

And all our ATGMs are only such, they can hit targets only in line of sight. There are no autonomous GOS, only in the future.

I wonder why? I do not think that ours are not able to make an analogue of "Javelin". All other types of weapons can, but the Javelin cannot? How can this be?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

I wonder why? I do not think that ours are not able to make an analogue of "Javelin". All other types of weapons can, but the Javelin cannot?

They can, and the other day here we have already discussed the news about the beginning of the development of the GOS for the ATGM. A little earlier there was news that the "brains" for such GOS are ready - a recognition system that fits into the dimensions.
But it will only be, and what is, costs such immoderate money ($ 260000) that no budget can handle it.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Jacket in stock

They can, and the other day here we have already discussed the news about the beginning of the development of the GOS for the ATGM.

But if they can, why haven't they done it yet?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

But if they can, why haven't they done it yet?

They did, but oooooo very expensive, now they are trying to make it more suitable.

[venik]

Quote: Jacket in stock

And all our ATGMs are only such, they can hit targets only in line of sight. There are no autonomous GOS, only in the future.

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WHAT ATRA (anti-tank missile systems) can hit OUT of line of sight?? The answer is NO!
If in doubt, NAME at least ONE!!!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: venik

NAME at least ONE !!

Well, like, in the previous review they already named Javelin.
You can also Spike, although some refer it to more "advanced" systems.
The Chinese have one, I don't remember the name, too lazy to look.
Recently they wrote about Iran here ...
So whaaaaa ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Well, like bae, in the previous review they already named Javelin

That is, in order to shoot from the Javelin, it is not necessary to see the target tank?
Why, then, is it such a big garbage with a screen that the operator is looking at?

[venik]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Well, like, in the previous review, they already named Javelin. You can still Spike

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And what, "Javelin", "Spike", the Chinese "Red Arrow-12" - they are launched without SEEING enemy tanks? Just like that - "into the white world, like a pretty penny" ???
Don't tell my horseshoes! In ALL cases - the enemy tank MUST be in the DIRECT VISIBILITY area, after which it is captured by the GOS ATGM, and a launch is made! IN "line of sight" - keyword!
Even a loitering ammunition or "drone-kamikaze" (in fact, ATGMs are not), before hitting a tank, must be detected and captured in the sight), which means they must be in the "line of sight"!
Now you understand?
PS Carefully and accurately formulate your thoughts, Konstantin! And there will be no such ridiculous "blunders" .....

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: venik

Formulate your thoughts more carefully and accurately, Konstantin! And there will be no such ridiculous "blunders"

He confuses line-of-sight with "fire and forget." Although, perhaps, he sincerely believes that they are one and the same.

[venik]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

He confuses line-of-sight with "fire and forget." Although, perhaps, he sincerely believes that they are one and the same.

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This is exactly what I tried to convey to Constantine .... But it seems - unsuccessfully!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: venik

unsuccessfully

We have already agreed - I just formulated the idea not very correctly.
It would be right something like this - our ATGMs, unlike American, Chinese, Jewish, Iranian ... require constant finding of the target in line of sight from the control / guidance devices located on the launcher, from the moment of launch to the moment of defeat.
By the way, the aforementioned Spike can be let into the white light and only then look for a target, because some of him do not recognize the ATGM.

[tikhonov66]

"... Spike can be thrown into white light and only then look for a target ..."

- gives "Jacket in stock" !!!
And how long does Spike fly at maximum range? - seconds 2-3?
Well, okay - let it be 10 seconds ... Horseradish radish is not sweeter.
- So Bullet "into the white light"
- and FAST good luck to you - "in search of the goal"
8-))

[OgnennyiKotik]

Funny. Google at least before you write.
In addition to the “fire-and-forget” principle, Spikes and other ATGMs of the 3rd generation have more complex algorithms: “fire-directed” and “fire-rated-corrected”.
When aiming and capturing a target after a shot. Naturally, the operator can be in cover or tens of kilometers from the target. And it doesn't make the slightest sense for him to be in the line of sight. Naturally, the rocket in the final phase of the flight will be in line of sight, otherwise it will not physically hit the target.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: venik

Even a loitering ammunition or "drone-kamikaze" (in fact, ATGMs are not), before hitting a tank, must be detected and captured in the sight), which means they must be in the "line of sight"!

Only the rocket / drone should be in the line of sight, and not necessarily before / at the time of launch. The control device that remains at the launch / command post in the line of sight is absolutely not required. And even more so, he should not keep the target in his sight until the moment of defeat.

Quote: venik

Formulate more carefully and accurately

I agree here, although I don't see any blunders.

[Konnick]

But the ATGM can be placed in a shelter and disguised, but for the Covenant to dig a caponier? And this is already a good stationary target for a UAV.

[Ros 56]

Cool thing, makes life much easier for anti-tank crews.

[Konnick]

Quote: Ros 56

Cool thing, makes life much easier for anti-tank crews.

And this "Testament" will be the primary target of enemy tankers with their line of sight. Who is minus, you at least somehow justify your minuses in the comments, stoned jingoistic patriots.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Konnick

You at least somehow justify your disadvantages in the comments, stoned jingoistic patriots.

That is, you can sculpt cons without explanation, and everyone else should report to you? Why would? They want and bet. You are the same member of the forum, like everyone else, no better, put up with it.
But I will write what I personally put a minus for.

And this "Testament" will be the primary target of enemy tankers with their line of sight.

And without the "Covenant" that PT funds will turn into pumpkins?
And the actual PT means, tanks, why are not the primary targets? A "covenant" by itself cannot be destroyed by a tank. But the technique that can, is capable of it without the "Covenant".

[Konnick]

The Wehrmacht used command tanks with wooden barrels (by the way, a picture with a soldier holding a wooden barrel is now displayed with the words - you can't shoot a Tiger cannon, you have a cover!. And our commanders in tanks with real guns were unmasked with antennas. one machine, then it will be the primary target. I do not understand the meaning of this wunderwafele, this is from the series when our commanders went on the attack in blue breeches and with pistols.
And I am not afraid of the minuses, but I am not hiding, but I argue in the comments.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Konnick

I don't understand the meaning of this wunderwafele

That's the whole point.
Maybe it’s better to start with at least trying to figure it out, rather than piling up far-fetched amateurish theories right and left? It is, of course, much simpler, but it hurts too ridiculous.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Konnick

I don't understand the meaning of this wunderwafe, this is from a series when our commanders went on the attack in blue breeches and with pistols.

The meaning here has already been explained a little higher - the management of a subdivision of self-propelled ATGM systems, so that only one car would get out "on the parapet", while the others sit in ambush and wait for target designation from it. Or, sitting in ambush, to receive target designation "from above" and distribute it to your vehicles.

[venik]

Quote: Konnick

I don't understand the meaning of this wunderwafele

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And the meaning is "command tank", "command post of the air defense system", but simply "command post" - you know ???

[Castro Ruiz]

Machine iskl. predney linii.

[Konnick]

Based on BMD-4? Front line? Couldn't have come up with a better one.

[Castro Ruiz]

Parametri 7 i 5 tisiach metrov iz TTCH Vam nichego negovorit?

[Konnick]

To determine the target to rush across the field at a speed of 75 km / h? Would you be put there, would you hit the button with your finger?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Konnick

Based on BMD-4? Front line? Couldn't have come up with a better one.

On the exact same base as all the machines in the unit for which it was made to operate.
It is already written here, you walk in a circle.

[Konnick]

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From the point of view of the technical complex, it allows interaction both with higher command posts and with parallel and attached subdivisions. At the same time, the control cycle during the preparation of a division for battle does not exceed 25 minutes, and commands during the battle are given to the division for no longer than three minutes, batteries - 45 seconds. Collecting situation data takes the same amount of time. The time for bringing commands to subordinates is no more than 30 seconds, while the signal immunity is almost complete - 99%. The preparation time for firing a battalion from a march takes no more than two to three minutes

This is from the technical characteristics of the complex. A tank at a good speed will cover 3 km in three minutes, and 5 km in 5 minutes. For 5 km, they identified the target, and after 5 minutes it was at a position with an external radar of this Testament. This is provided that the enemy has neither reconnaissance nor aviation.

[Pattor]

Hmm. Chrysanthemums have their own car - the commander's. And that they are very similar, only the remote module was added. Plus, I don't see an autonomous power supply (on the Chrysanthemum, such a coffin is on the left side closer to the stern).

[Konnick]

Quote: Konnick

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From the point of view of the technical complex, it allows interaction both with higher command posts and with parallel and attached subdivisions. At the same time, the control cycle during the preparation of a division for battle does not exceed 25 minutes, and commands during the battle are given to the division for no longer than three minutes, batteries - 45 seconds. Collecting situation data takes the same amount of time. The time for bringing commands to subordinates is no more than 30 seconds, while the signal immunity is almost complete - 99%. The preparation time for firing a battalion from a march takes no more than two to three minutes

This is from the technical characteristics of the complex. A tank at a good speed will cover 3 km in three minutes, and 5 km in 5 minutes. For 5 km, they identified the target, and after 5 minutes it was at a position with an external radar of this Testament. This is provided that the enemy has neither reconnaissance nor aviation.

Again, no one gives counter-arguments, but only approves "the right machine". Do we have separate units for the Covenant on mobile ATGMs, or does it make no difference to him how to manage rapiers or cornet, and maybe also crocodiles?

[Cananecat]

The author of the article should pay attention to similar Western samples for comparison ...

[Konnick]

There are no analogues.
The US Army in Iraq used the Army's Movement Tracing System. But this is more about logistics.

[Cananecat]

And if you move away from the control function and turn to the radar?

[yehat2]

Quote: Flood

does not see, but recognizes

What is it like? will distinguish t62 from t-62m?

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: Konnick

It would be better to shoot more for practical training of anti-tank units.

It would be better not to shoot more, but at least hit somewhere, otherwise, as usual

[iouris]

It would be normal: "Testaments of Ilyich" (without decoding which one)

[tarakan]

Quote: Flood

all funny to you with a flying radar on a tactical uav for front line reconnaissance

And we need to put ATGMs on UAVs and they will fly next to them, I see everyone, I will defeat everyone

[Konnick]

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

Quote: Konnick

It would be better to shoot more for practical training of anti-tank units.

It would be better not to shoot more, but at least hit somewhere, otherwise, as usual

Because the first time we worked with a joystick.