Russian Defense Ministry is changing to Chinese SUVs

The Russian Defense Ministry buys Chinese SUVs. According to the Chinese Cars web resource, Haval H9 SUVs have appeared in the Russian army.

According to the portal, Chinese Haval H9 SUVs with military license plates began to appear on the streets of Russian cities more and more often. The Haval dealership itself does not comment on the appearance of its vehicles with military numbers.

At the same time, the portal's source said that the Chinese company had won a tender for the supply of off-road vehicles to the Russian army. Since the military is prohibited from purchasing cars imported from abroad, SUVs produced at the Haval plant in the Tula region, where their production is localized in Russia, will be purchased.

Haval won the tender for the supply to the districts, to the headquarters of the (off-road) N9. They have already come (to the army). That is, the technique has passed all the tough selections. The Haval will be the main command vehicle. Long-term contract

- stated the source of the web resource.

It is noted that 19 Haval H9 SUVs with military license plates have been seen to date. The first military "Chinese" appeared in the database of the specialized portal avto-nomer.ru on September 19, 2020. SUVs were seen in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kaliningrad, Kaluga, Yaroslavl, Krasnodar, Khabarovsk and Primorsky regions.

According to the portal, the Haval H9 is already used by the motor depots of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff, the Moscow, Leningrad, North Caucasian and Far Eastern military districts and even the Navy. One car was "spotted" by Russian peacekeepers in Nagorno-Karabakh.

The relative small number of Chinese SUVs in the army can only speak of the beginning of purchases. In the future, their number may increase significantly.

Comments

[Vol4ara]

The same rake only in profile. Then we will shout about import substitution

[carstorm 11]

There is no rake there. There would be pradic or something else. There will be 20 of them in each district. Even less. We simply do not have our own luxury cars of normal cost. And so at least they will help the plant.

[awdrgy]

No, it is necessary to do And not to buy from another country, which, according to the theory of probability, can become an enemy And you can do without luxury cars, it is not critical

[carstorm 11]

Factory in the Russian Federation. Try to read carefully. Russian people work there.

[awdrgy]

So what? The salary to people does not compensate in any way the risks associated with the country's defense (and image losses, by the way, too). I’m already silent about the economic scheme that China is promoting for profit (they will definitely not remain at a loss, but why should we?) Well, about such trifles as additional environmental risks even say nothing

[carstorm 11]

It's just a machine))) and not an ICBM carrier) it was possible to take Aurus seven times more expensive. So what do you think is better?)

[awdrgy]

In my opinion, it is better to take the Niva and not take a steam bath - they will not drive tea in the taiga This way it will be more modest and cheaper And will also support the domestic producer In addition, this will reduce economic dependence on the southern neighbor (which is perhaps even more important in the context of a possible change in the political course) As well as reduce costs related to safety when using imported technologies

[carstorm 11]

Our army has 99 percent of its own vehicle fleet. It's just a few luxury cars for the districts. Error. The topic was sucked out of the finger. There have always been such machines. And 10 and 20 years ago.

[awdrgy]

They are not needed, I substantiated it By the way, they were 100 years ago, but who said that it was "good"?

[Nasrat]

To all patriots and not so much ... The question is - who rolls his ass on a domestic car? - put me a plus, who is on the import? - put me a minus .. (with pluses and minuses it would be possible and vice versa, but for statistics we will stop at this option) .. I guarantee anonymity
after this survey, we will discuss the issue with Hawal, so to speak, we will observe ethics by our own example ...
ps I do not enter into disputes with gorlopanov!

[awdrgy]

We have 3 cars in our family - 2 parents and I have 1 1 conditionally joint venture (all ours except for the nameplate, but still) and 2 domestic ones - so no pluses or minuses Except for the Patriot (who by the way is always wounded and never killed)) all cars - extremely passenger cars and therefore cannot be used for military purposes (well, if only to get to the city on a good road) In any case, this has nothing to do with the procurement of the Ministry of Defense

[awdrgy]

You know, I would not be so categorical asserting that - "we will not see this" In addition, our country has already denied such statements And although everything in the world is relative, I nevertheless remain on this issue with my opinion

[Nasrat]

Quote: awdrgy

.. I nevertheless remain in this matter with my opinion

Everything here has its own opinion, no one has changed it again ...

Quote: awdrgy

You know I would not be so categorical asserting that - "we will not see this"

Yes, there are examples with the French, Koreans, Japanese, etc., but the fact is that if you build your own plant (which in principle can be done) and start pushing your own cars similar to the French, Koreans, etc. under your own brand, then it is not a great Russian market will not recoup or absorb everything produced, the Chinese market has absorbed everything ... And since Russia is under eternal sanctions, the analogy with China somehow disappears right away ..

[awdrgy]

Look at it from a different angle - no need to push anything to anyone And the Chinese market ... it is absolutely not provided with its own energy resources (its energy consumption is too high not only for development, but already for stagnation). only the main but not the only practically insoluble problem (especially within the borders of China) Well, from here follows a lot of interesting but not pleasant things, including for China itself.However, you and I have gone a little aside from the topic of the article

[Nasrat]

Quote: awdrgy

Look at it from a different angle-

I know about the difficulties of China not by hearsay, before the pandemic I went there once a quarter, I have a couple of Chinese friends, I drank more than one glass of rice, so to speak ..

Quote: awdrgy

..However, we have gone a little aside from the topic of the article

I agree ...

[Stas157]

Quote: Nasr

give me a plus, who is on the import? - put me a minus ..

Yes you are in any case a minus. Therefore, your survey will not give a real picture.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Stas157

Therefore, your survey will not give a real picture.

The poll may not give, but it will make you think .. And the poll does not need to be done, our people vote with their wallet, and to a greater extent (judging by the traffic situation) for a foreign car, albeit a used one, but imported, than a new one, but domestic.
Thank you for your minus, you vote, it means you are hooked ...

[hagen]

Quote: Nasr

The poll may not give, but it will make you think ..

The sample is not representative. There is nothing to even think about ...

[Nasrat]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Nasr

The poll may not give, but it will make you think ..

The sample is not representative. There is nothing to even think about ...

It would be possible to pass by, t.s. ignore! However, you were hooked.

[hagen]

Quote: Nasr

It would be possible to pass by, t.s. ignore! However, you were hooked.

Since childhood, I feel sorry for Sisyphus ...

[Nasrat]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Nasr

It would be possible to pass by, t.s. ignore! However, you were hooked.

Since childhood, I feel sorry for Sisyphus ...

Do not offend the authors of the article and admins !!

[Pilot]

Quote: Nasr

Quote: Stas157

Therefore, your survey will not give a real picture.

The poll may not give, but it will make you think .. And the poll does not need to be done, our people vote with their wallet, and to a greater extent (judging by the traffic situation) for a foreign car, albeit a used one, but imported, than a new one, but domestic.
Thank you for your minus, you vote, it means you are hooked ...

For your money, at least buy a Ukrainian camel and at the expense of the budget for the Ministry of Defense - UAZ or Niva ... and no suites, tea is not mumzelki but military .. unless of course it is military and not pampered peacocks.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Pilot

for the Ministry of Defense - UAZ or Niva ....

Better a cart, and for the winter sledges - both economical and patriotic! and not much older than the same UAZ and NIV ...

[figwam]

Quote: Nasr

who is imported? - put me a minus

Sorry, put you a minus.

[Nasrat]

Quote: figvam

Quote: Nasr

who is imported? - put me a minus

Sorry, put you a minus.

Fine. It never hurt me!

[Tank hard]

Quote: Nasr

The question is - who rolls his ass on a domestic car? - put me a plus, who is on the import?

Great question! Now I'm driving a Nissan Terrano, in fact, a "luxury" Duster, if you take Lada X Ray as an example, then this is
The car is developed based on the Renault Sandero model, but has an original design and interior, upgraded suspension and steering.]
Rumor has it that the next Niva will have a similar origin. I am very pleased with the car.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Tank Hard

-1

No, well, I understand that not everyone here likes me, like my comments. But a year ago, my acquaintance, a hunting lover, changed the Niva to a UAZ-Hunter. I bought a new one from a car dealership. And in less than a year, the problems with the engine began. The acquaintance used to swear often and strongly. wrote letters to the plant, waited for a replacement, regretted. that he changed the cornfield for UAZ, complained that the Niva starts to rot (body corrosion) in the first year of operation ... I got the Nissan-Terrano in 2018, so far there are no problems. Well, at least minus.

[three]

Confused at all. On the topic - plus and with three hands "for", but I have been driving foreign cars for a long time, although I have driven a lot in eights or dozens. And to all "patriots" - what's wrong with hawalas? Cheap and cheerful, not to ride on pradiks (an overpriced car, there was also). Oise, too, will not finish up to the mind in any way .... Not a strategic thing, not critical - the commanders will go for a drive.

[MrFox]

Does the state buy our foreign cars for us?

[Alf]

Quote: carstorm 11

There have always been such machines. And 10 and 20 years ago.

And dig deeper, 30 or 40 years ago? Pasha Mercedes is not an example.

[carstorm 11]

Volga. Luxury cars.

[Alf]

Quote: carstorm 11

Volga. Luxury cars.

Is the Volga imported?

[carstorm 11]

Not. Do we have at least one luxury cars of our production? And what is nevertheless necessary to have in stock.

[Alf]

Quote: carstorm 11

Do we have at least one luxury cars of our production?

A counter question, why was it necessary to kill the domestic auto industry? So then with honest eyes to say-And we do not produce anything like that?
Does the story with Mishka and Raika mean anything?

[carstorm 11]

What was there to kill?) Excuse me, but I am a Far Easterner) since childhood I know what to compare our car industry with)

[carstorm 11]

We are talking about a class of cars and not about their origin. And he was in demand.

[Dude]

Quote: carstorm 11

Volga. Luxury cars.

Since when has a mid-size sedan become a luxury car?

[Waltasar]

Quote: awdrgy

better to take Niva

Unfortunately, AvtoVAZ is the same domestic as hawal.
Our people work here and there, and the profits go abroad.

[Pilot]

Well, AvtoVAZ under the paddling pools is different, it is investment with technology, and not a sale of the Motherland, yes)))

[awdrgy]

Well, this is not a question within the framework of comments on this article. Everyone understands everything.

[krops777]

In my opinion, it is better to take Niva and not bathe, tea will not go through the taiga. It will be so modest and cheaper. And it will also support a domestic manufacturer

Are you right and wrong at the same time, what prevents UAZ, VAZ from winning tenders? That's right, not the desire to make cars better, more competitive, they live by the principle: And so it goes, they will buy it anyway. When the enterprises went for free, they are not viable because labor is not invested and the money of the person who manages them is sucked and thrown to the mercy of fate IMHO.

[Reiter]

Niva! Are you seriously?! This is squalor, there are a couple of fighters, not the headquarters, can mix. It is just cramped - this is one, the second is a poor engine, 80 hp !!! It’s like today that the car simply doesn’t drive.

[awdrgy]

Yes well?))) For generals will go to drive around the city And in hawala means the headquarters can get in ???))) You end this populism with "squalor" "rogue" and t-you look for a smart one)))

[Reiter]

Driving around the city on the Priore is fine, since it comes to that. But the Niva is a completely past century, the Chinese is not a Merc, after all, so for any savings. In addition, the Chinese is not a headquarters, but several accompanying persons will fit quite well. By the way, have you ever tried to drive on the Niva? It accelerates really infinitely long, I can also say about the off-road, sometimes the dvigla does not have enough traction for small sandy mountains to roll. Sadness is simple, we rolled it in a civilian version, without modifications. On the horizon it is good, but it stands uphill and the traction deficit begins. And the generals, they are, as a rule, very weighty entities, it will be very difficult for the fields to pull them.

[awdrgy]

All your arguments (the last century is small in size, lack of thrust, heavy generals are poorly dispersed) - firstly, they are not applicable in general, but good in particular.This is the same we observe when choosing civilian weapons, but not army ones (this is an example)
- secondly, they do not even cover the image losses (not to mention the rest of the ones I have cited above) But what can I say, you just read - "Russian generals now give preference to Chinese technology! In the new century on new machines!" How long do you think it will take the "partners" news agencies to come up with something like this? And what financial losses our country will incur later ... In short, a dialogue about nothing

[Buchenland]

Well, Niva should have won the tender

[awdrgy]

I completely agree with you

[Dkuznecov]

In terms of price / quality, Niva is not a competitor to China.

[awdrgy]

It depends on what other variables are included in the comparison formula You have only 2 of them and you need at least 5-6 Therefore the calculation is not correct

[Dkuznecov]

Only one variable.

Price-quality ratio.
This formula rules the world
economics, politics.

Flew to the UAE 15 times,
drove a family of 6 people,
bungalow in Umm Al Quwain
etc.

Leaving the car every time
if you count on money.
15 cars ...

Now it's easier for me to take for 4 months
an apartment in Alanya for 140 thousand rubles for 4 months,
150 sqm, first line. With swimming pool
and a balcony 80 meters.
Well, actually, that's what I do.
I work from there.
With the same quality.

If I had easy money
would drive to Dubai again.

But I have them - earned,
and therefore I am not ready to waste them worthlessly.
So - price / quality. The best choice.

[awdrgy]

Well, if the defense capability of countries and peoples was determined by only one economy, then we would not communicate with you here because our ancestors would have died out (were destroyed) long ago anyway. In general, here we again come to the dispute between physicists and lyricists-What is primary? -Politics or economics? Or is there something else? And in what case and in relation to what? And even if the dialogue is not about purchases of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, then in this case there are more disadvantages from the acquisition of foreign-made equipment than advantages (of course, for those peoples and states who want to be independent and strive to improve their lives) There are desperate situations (and in technology and by technology) but the purchase of conventionally luxury cars is not the case

[orionvitt]

Quote: awdrgy

In my opinion, it is better to take Niva

: "Niva", this is a long time "Chevrolet". Very patriotic. I don't understand what the question is about at all. China buys Russian military equipment wholesale and retail, for billions. And then they bought for the army (more specifically for the staff colonels and generals), a hundred off-road vehicles with Chinese roots, so the stench from "patriots" to heaven. In general, the best army jeep is UAZ.

[Pilot]

Lagging behind life, Shniva has already become a Niva and the classic one (which with a four-by-four drive) has returned to its former name Niva, but with the prefix Legend.
And there is no need for the stripes from the people with imported suites at a budgetary expense to fence themselves off, otherwise they will panimish in a difficult time for the country. This also concerns bureaucrats and deputies.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: carstorm 11

It's just a machine))) and not an ICBM carrier) it was possible to take Aurus seven times more expensive. So what do you think is better?)

Is UAZ "Patriot" not a domestic SUV? Or is it not a car? You don't need to raise the level of your Automotive Industry ?!

[carstorm 11]

Luxurious patriot?))) Is this an anecdote?)

[Starover_Z]

Quote: carstorm 11

Luxurious patriot?))) Is this an anecdote?)

So let them raise the level of domestic cars! And not on paper, but testing cars with their sitters !!!

[carstorm 11]

They can't lift everything for 60 years) we can make an excellent tank, but apparently not a normal car)

[Starover_Z]

Quote: carstorm 11

They can't raise everything for 60 years)

Because orders are written in offices, sitting in soft armchairs, and they drive luxury cars, not mass production!

[carstorm 11]

Probably) or as in a bearded anecdote about VAZ - a damned place)

[Starover_Z]

Quote: carstorm 11

Probably) or as in a bearded anecdote about VAZ - a damned place)

Ministries are seen to be in "damned" places! And we ought to have such ministers in the barracks, and on carts, until their high-quality cars drive along the roads!

[Hunter 2]

Quote: carstorm 11

They can't lift everything for 60 years) we can make an excellent tank, but apparently not a normal car)

It's just that Russian designers of normal vehicles always get Tanks at the exit

[carstorm 11]

Probably)))))

[Alf]

Quote: carstorm 11

They can't lift everything for 60 years) we can make an excellent tank, but apparently not a normal car)

And you, for the sake of interest, look at what experimental Volg models the plant offered for release, you cannot immediately distinguish from foreign cars.

[carstorm 11]

I would talk about the differences if they released them. But as soon as it became possible to buy other cars, they lost the competition instantly. In the nineties I bought a Corolla 86 years old. Our nines are new and dozens seemed to be nervously smoking on the sidelines and crying.

[Alf]

Quote: carstorm 11

I would talk about the differences if they released them. But as soon as it became possible to buy other cars, they lost the competition instantly. In the nineties I bought a Corolla 86 years old. Our nines are new and dozens seemed to be nervously smoking on the sidelines and crying.

What about Cyber? Why did they stop releasing it?

[carstorm 11]

Probably for the reason that this is Chrysler in essence and under license)

[Alf]

Quote: carstorm 11

Probably for the reason that this is Chrysler in essence and under license)

Ie, the Japanese Corolla is good, and the American Chrysler is bad?

[carstorm 11]

for me personally, yes) I'm from Khabarovsk)

[2 Level Advisor]

who needs such a luxury on the asphalt worth 2,5 million? better to pay 250tr and take the Prado .. and why in the neighborhood, that in a large city - "luxury jeep" what kind of need? passenger, no?

[carstorm 11]

Prado seems to be already not collected in our country, which means that the Ministry of Defense will not be able to buy them

[El Chuvachino]

Easy to say.

[Stas157]

Quote: carstorm 11

Luxury patriot?))) This joke such?)

A luxury Chinese is not joke? I don’t need it for free!

[carstorm 11]

So don't take it) I remember very well how they said the same about Koreans. Uh, it sucks. Blah blah blah. And now they are doing the Japanese and 15 years have not passed. And it's the same with the Aitians. Better and better every year

[RUSS]

Quote: carstorm 11

And it's the same with the Aitians. Better and better every year

Rather yes, but the metal of the body is still not very good, to put it mildly, and the paintwork

[BAI]

Isn't a luxury Chinese anecdote?

Yes, no (understand whatever you like):

from 5,8 million rubles

[Stas157]

Quote: BAI

Yes, no (understand whatever you like):

from 5,8 million rubles

Something I have not seen a single oligarch and businessman who would have driven such luxury! If they take China mobiles, then people are not at all rich and are not pretentious in their requests.

And the miracle that you brought is probably not for sale in Russia either. For there are no buyers (fools) for such crap.

[BAI]

Since the price is in rubles, it means it is on sale or will be on sale in the near future.

[Stas157]

Quote: BAI

Since the price is in rubles, it means it is on sale or will be on sale in the near future.

Since you are so knowledgeable, surprise how many thousands of these China mobiles have been sold?

In general, at least one sold?))

[Dkuznecov]

Chinese to order
(and they work exclusively to order)
will collect Bentley, but it is necessary that and abruptly.
Your knowledge is strange
about the production of China.

[Stas157]

Quote: DKuznecov

Chinese to order
(and they work exclusively to order)
collect Bentley, but it is necessary that and abruptly.

Russians will also make custom-made car sets! What did you want to prove by this? What are the best cars in the world?

[Dkuznecov]

China has long been a leader in the automotive industry.
What does the car kits have to do with it?

[awdrgy]

If you have enough energy (important point isn't it?))

[Doliva63]

Quote: carstorm 11

Luxurious patriot?))) Is this an anecdote?)

And why in the army "luxury"? "To endure all the hardships of military service" is no longer a trend? I remember that General Krot, the division commander of the 10th GVTD, went to a modest Victory, this did not affect the combat effectiveness of the division and the general himself.

[carstorm 11]

Representative functions also exist. And they need to be provided with something. And match. Well, why did the same in the SA from the division commander and higher had their own Volga, right?

[Overlock]

Quote: carstorm 11

Representative functions also exist.

What are the division commanders

Quote: Doliva63

... the divisional commander of the 10th GVTD, drove a modest Victory

representative functions? Its task is to increase the combat effectiveness of the entrusted division. And it may not be crumbled to appear in a taxi

[carstorm 11]

Exactly. And better by bus ... what nonsense ... damn it by taxi)))))) the commander will come in general on the bus to carry him. Meet all checks on foot.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Overlock

Quote: carstorm 11

Representative functions also exist.

What are the division commanders

Quote: Doliva63

... the divisional commander of the 10th GVTD, drove a modest Victory

representative functions? Its task is to increase the combat effectiveness of the entrusted division. And it may not be crumbled to appear in a taxi

The divisional commander of the 32nd GvTD "introduced himself" to the Germans at the headquarters UAZ. And did not hesitate The youngest division commander of the Group is a lieutenant colonel.

[three]

Oise, niva, vaz ... Renault Logan is also going there - heaven and earth. Sometimes it seems that if you hang a fret nameplate on some Toyota-Nissan, it will immediately break down, rust and so on.

[Quadro]

As you already got. When AvtoVAZ will make COMPETITIVE cars, then they will win the tender and buy them. Why pay for shit? To AvtoVAZ further sawed the loot and spanked shit? Also with UAZ. And yes, only either kids or people living in a vacuum do not understand that just putting the right person in office and giving him money will not help. A lot of things for the loot do not get, and without this necessary sense from a person is zero.

[forty-eighth]

Why don't you drive the Patriots anymore? And why?

[RUSS]

Quote: forty-eighth

Why don't you drive the Patriots anymore? And why?

Not economical in gas mileage and lame comfort.

[Per se.]

Quote: RUSS

and comfort is lame

Chinese "candy" Haval H9 will cost about 2,7 million rubles. Of the minuses - a very "heavy steering wheel", there is not enough space in the back (the knees of the field marshals will rest). But, show-offs cost money, the car is no worse than Korean cars. Why our Soviet marshals could drive Soviet cars, but Russian defense officials cannot, is another question.

By the way, if our "dollar-minded menagers" had conceived a tender for tanks, maybe the Chinese would have won here too?

[Quadro]

Quote: Per se.

Quote: RUSS

and comfort is lame

Chinese "candy" Haval H9 will cost about 2,7 million rubles. Of the minuses - a very "heavy steering wheel", there is not enough space in the back (the knees of the field marshals will rest). But, show-offs cost money, the car is no worse than Korean cars. Why our Soviet marshals could drive Soviet cars, but Russian defense officials cannot, is another question.

By the way, if our "dollar-minded menagers" had conceived a tender for tanks, maybe the Chinese would have won here too?

Well, yes, Soviet marshals, after all, drove Zhiguli on UAZ cars, and not on the Volga, which was luxurious for the USSR, and piece luxury cars.

[Overlock]

Quote: Per se.

Why our Soviet marshals could drive Soviet cars, but Russian defense officials cannot

their asses don't like road bumps, stuck to say the least

Marshal Baghramyan by car

[carstorm 11]

Do you have to go back to 70 years ago? Nothing fresh? By the way, what car is he sitting on, can you tell me?)

[Dkuznecov]

On H3, I drove a concrete mixer in the trunk
and refrigerator 250.
Nothing abuts anywhere.
The steering wheel is sharp, one positive.

[Per se.]

Quote: DKuznecov

On H3, I drove a concrete mixer in the trunk

We have N9, and the generals are not carried in the trunk. However, "Nothing abuts anywhere", it is as anyone.

I repeat, overall the car is good.

[halpat]

Quote: carstorm 11

It's just a machine))) and not an ICBM carrier) it was possible to take Aurus seven times more expensive. So what do you think is better?)

Better yet, take Aurus not 7, but 14 times more expensive
It will be businesslike. In the sense: I am the owner, I turn what I want.

[Vadim237]

The Aurus will start mass production only this summer, the first 200 cars will immediately go to customers - there is no SUV line yet - that's why Aurus flies by.

[shahor]

Quote: carstorm 11

one could take Aurus seven times more expensive.

And it was possible - UAZ Patriot. Or the seats there are not suitable for generals ... backsides?

[raw174]

Quote: awdrgy

Salaries to people in no way compensate for the risks associated with the country's defense (and

What nonsense! What kind of defense capability suffers from the fact that a military official drives a foreign car? Even if we assume that there will be a war with China, so what? Hawal will rise up and take passengers away? Or will it break down, but the spare parts will not be delivered? So they will solve the issue simply, after the introduction of martial law, they requisition my Vesta SV or Batin UAZ ... In general, do not be afraid, the country's defense will not suffer.

[awdrgy]

It will rise ... It will break down ... Firstly, we cannot assert this, nor can we deny it with a XNUMX% probability What was stuffed there, it is not known A and check every posting .. maybe, but this time and money that could go to the domestic manufacturer About other losses, including and image I already wrote

[Cosm22]

Defense capability may not be affected.
But the reputation and prestige of the country will suffer for sure. If people in uniform will drive foreign cars.
Although if you think about it ... on what else? Portugal seems to have not yet caught up ...

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Cosm22

Defense capability may not be affected.
But the reputation and prestige of the country will suffer for sure. If people in uniform will drive foreign cars.
Although if you think about it ... on what else? ...

The general and other officials may FOR YOUR OWN RUBLES (or $) can buy a car of any brand and drive it at work - gasoline (diesel fuel or electricity (a hint of Yo-mobile)) will be issued at the service by the limit, the driver is the same at the limit. But state machines (for all departments and services) only DOMESTIC BRANDS.

[Overlock]

Quote: raw174

In general, do not be afraid, the country's defense will not suffer.

And what about the country's budget? When will we raise the domestic auto industry to the level of generals' ass? Can their asses drop to the ground?

[carstorm 11]

When he creates something, then we'll talk. So far, over the past 60 years, he creates only firewood.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: awdrgy

Salaries to people do not compensate in any way for the risks associated with the country's defense

Please explain the connection between this Chinese underdog and the country's defenses. If the general's ass will be transported in a hawala, and not in an UAZ, will this greatly undermine the defense capability in the event of a war with China? Really, if anything, the poor fellow will have to get to the office by Yandex taxi? Sadness. How to fight - xs.

[awdrgy]

Who? To you or to people?)))

[RUSS]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Please explain the connection between this Chinese underdog and the country's defense

Rather a question of prestige, although the bourgeoisie abroad is easier in this regard)

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: RUSS

Rather a question of prestige, although the bourgeoisie abroad is easier in this regard)

hmm ... Are Chinese cars already in the prestigious category? Only here and in Africa? Or somewhere else?
Catching up and overtaking Nigeria is not bad.
Although no, in Nigeria, the armor is Chinese, and they prefer to carry their ass on Toyota)

[RUSS]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

hmm ... Are Chinese cars already in the prestigious category?

I meant the prestige of the country and the army, we still have a conservative population and it is difficult to accept that there are Chinese cars in the army ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: RUSS

we still have a conservative population and it is difficult to accept that there are Chinese cars in the army ...

well, yes, they would accept American or Japanese. Or German. DPS nobody blames BMW, Amaroki and Mondeo.

[RUSS]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Quote: RUSS

we still have a conservative population and it is difficult to accept that there are Chinese cars in the army ...

well, yes, they would accept American or Japanese. Or German. DPS nobody blames BMW, Amaroki and Mondeo.

If we take profitability, then certainly foreign cars are more profitable.

[Stas157]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

DPS is none does not blame BMW, Amaroki and Mondeo.

I blame. Do not fuck foreign cars to cops at the state expense to buy!

Let them ride on Grants. That in vain did Putin praise them? Well, the bosses, okay, on Vesta. Is it a bad car? Judging by the fact that they turn up their nose, riding BMW and Skodas, they think so.

[Tank hard]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Really, if anything, the poor fellow will have to get to the office by Yandex taxi? Sadness. How to fight - xs.

It's even funnier. Who owns Yandex-taxi and Uber? Rumor has it that they are the same thing. How to fight?

[carstorm 11]

Taxis are bought by two players in the country. Yandex for a month, like Lucky, bought for very good money.

[Tank hard]

Uber is an American company ...

[carstorm 11]

I know. But they have already lost practically to Yandex. There is such a hard roll. Literally

[Overlock]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

How to fight - xs.

Like real generals!

Baghramyan

Rokossovsky

Chernyakhovsky.
But the current generals are like walking to the moon

[Tank hard]

Quote: Overlock

Like real generals!

And in the photo is not Willis a case?

Willys MB (Willys) - american army vehicle off-road vehicles during World War II

[carstorm 11]

Do you know all of today's people what to say?) I've met very worthy officers. Although there were enough opposites, of course. Don't compare different generations by belittling one thing. It went.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: carstorm 11

Russian people work there.

Which are exploited with might and main by the "poor" Chinese. By the way, those over 40 are not accepted there.

[vl903]

I have heard. that 95 percent are Chinese and even at the assembly. that is, it is a genocide of our people for our own money !!!!

[Tatyana]

Quote: vl903

I have heard. that 95 percent are Chinese and even at the assembly. that is, it is a genocide of our people for our own money !!!!

Well, yes, that's right!
These are usually jobs for Chinese "labor" migrants in Russia!
This policy of the Chinese and Russian false patriots is called the STRATEGY of the Chinese "soft power" in the Russian Federation against Russia itself.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: vl903

that is, it is a genocide of our people for our own money !!!!

Do you, my dear, even understand the meaning of the term "genocide"?
And why "for ours"?

[Stas157]

Quote: carstorm 11

Factory in the Russian Federation.

Will this Chinese screwdriver assembly be able to independently produce Chinese vehicles without foreign vehicle kits and engines?

[carstorm 11]

So what?) All the countries in the world are fighting to open foreign factories, and only we don't need such good ones?) Taxes, we don't need jobs, do we?)

[Stas157]

Quote: carstorm 11

all countries in the world are fighting to open factories at home

I thought everyone was trying their domestic cars for the army to do!

[Aerodrome]

Russian Defense Ministry is changing to Chinese SUVs

news of the day ... the bottom is pierced once again.

[carstorm 11]

We have 99,9 of all domestic cars in the army !!! We just do not make luxury cars and have to buy them. Hundred for tens of thousands !!! Hare to arrange concerts, eh?

[Overlock]

Quote: carstorm 11

We just do not make luxury cars and have to buy them.

And under Stalin they DID!

ZIS -101, executive class

[carstorm 11]

I'm happy for them. So lucky to rip everything off Buick. as much as an American studio then had to design a body. Although I personally do not mind this approach

[carstorm 11]

There are just a huge number of them. Look at the purchases of how many cars the MO buys annually. Are there many foreigners?) 1 in a thousand?)

[RUSS]

Quote: carstorm 11

There are just a huge number of them. Look at the purchases of how many cars the MO buys annually. Are there many foreigners?) 1 in a thousand?)

In January 2013, the Russian Ministry of Defense purchased fifteen hundred Iveco armored vehicles (Italy)

[carstorm 11]

And in the 13th year it was terminated) although the contract in my opinion was from 11 years old), but we are talking about just simple machines with non-armored ones. This is a different song and a different level. in fact, apart from these Rysya, there is no other foreign military equipment in the troops.

[RUSS]

Quote: carstorm 11

So what?) All the countries in the world are fighting to open foreign factories, and only we don't need such good ones?) Taxes, we don't need jobs, do we?)

There are not so many jobs in the assembly shop, plus there is no development of its own auto industry.

[awdrgy]

Well, not in the same way ... So you can get to something worse

[GAndr]

Factory for screwdriver assembly from ready-made Chinese assemblies? This is not a factory, this is just an assembly line, nothing more ... As for the UAZ, now there are Patriots with very good equipment, leather - erysipelas, full power accessories, cameras and a machine gun ...

[carstorm 11]

This is a bundle. You can do anything. It's just that the price tag is growing very quickly from this. Yes, and put the poorest pradik in terms of configuration and the most sophisticated patriot in terms of configuration, he will not cease to be a UAZ)

[2 Level Advisor]

a fancy UAZ car is 2 times cheaper than this Chinese, and the pradik is far from hawala, and they themselves said the MO cannot buy it ..

[aybolyt678]

Quote: carstorm 11

avod in RF. Try to read carefully. Russian people work there.

How many Russian engineers are there? constructors? Russians work there as Chinese

[Berber]

Quote: awdrgy

And you can do without luxury cars - it's not critical

Yes, you can ride mares the old way. It is also an option. Moreover, it is environmentally friendly.

[awdrgy]

"Half of the country" rides on Nivas and Patriots. You don't need to treat us and leave the topic. And then it starts - "well, it seems like it's not bad ... but it's not rockets ..." A little humor and sarcasm, and now the people applaud sabotage ! It all starts with small and ends with big losses!

[carstorm 11]

Yeah) and in my city, here is the SSP on the Japanese and not on patriots, so what?) You won't even force me into a patriot. I don't know anyone at all who drives a Russian car

[awdrgy]

And that's bad, that's what!

[Stas157]

Quote: carstorm 11

I don't know anyone at all who drives a Russian car

You don't communicate with ordinary Russians at all? Yes, here on the site many people drive Russian cars.

[carstorm 11]

I live in the Far East. Explain further or will you understand yourself?

[Stas157]

Not in Russia or what ?? I suspected for a long time that you are broadcasting from parallel space))

[carstorm 11]

In Russia. It's just that our cars of 30 years are more difficult to meet than, for example, a new Lexus)

[Stas157]

Judging by your stories, you generally live in a capitalist paradise! And from this you have:
Vladimir Putin well done
Politician leader and fighter.

[carstorm 11]

... I live in the city of Khabarovsk. Open any photo from the roads and count the number of Russian cars on our roads and leave your political nonsense to yourself. I am not involved in this.

[2 Level Advisor]

how do you customs them? or all for 10-15-20 years of age?

[carstorm 11]

I really did it myself the last time about 15 years ago. As it is now, I have no idea) 7 years plus like

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Stas157

Judging by your stories, you generally live in a capitalist paradise! And from this you have:
Vladimir Putin well done
Politician leader and fighter.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Stas157

Vladimir Putin well done

Seryozha is great.

[Ugochaves]

Hush, hush fellow countryman, we have different people in Khabarovsk. And they drive different cars. It is clear that most of them are in foreign cars (like me), but there are some of ours too, Hunter, Patrick, Largus, Niva. Everyone has their own goals.

[carstorm 11]

The ratio of one to another) I'm talking about it. I was just driving home at Istomin, I looked in the yard carefully. Zero))) none at all)

[Ugochaves]

In the center, the chance to meet an UAZ is of course the same as a mammoth but a passenger car is difficult to notice in the total mass is very difficult

[carstorm 11]

I'm not saying that they are not there) it's just so little and it's hard to see)

[GAndr]

Well, I had a Patriot! Great car, never let me down, never ... And the equipment in which everything was (Style 2017, if you are interested, take a look), and even more than in many foreign cars. Everything that can be heated and lobovuha and all siduhi + navigation, cruise, all electric, leather, multifunction, parking sensors, rear view camera, EBD, ABC and so on .. Gorgeous car! Wherever I just drove on it ...

[carstorm 11]

happy for you) no kidding. But after decades of operating pradiks, Kruzaks starting from 80 and dates, I cannot be surprised by the presence of what you have listed) I have had all these picking items since the nineties on each car. And the fact that almost 30 years later it got to ours just laughs.

[GAndr]

I am only talking about the fact that what is now offered by imports, Japan, Germany, Korea, or God forbid ... China can be found freely in the homeland. And for much less money, plus the localization of production and spare parts. I do not understand who lobbied for the import into the army, especially the Chinese ... This is even sabotage ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Cars are needed today, and it takes time and ONE BILLION DOLLARS to develop a new model !!!

Now imagine that even having done this, this SUV will not be in demand, since there are Chinese and European, Japanese and American counterparts and people are used to them, they are reliable and quality tested. Or do you think that everyone will run after the UAZ ?! No, they will not run, such a machine will take a long time to win a place in the market, but such a machine is only in the plans, and the generals must be transported today.

Following your logic, the Ministry of Defense will receive cars in 10 years, and it will have to spend a lot of money, which can be wasted. And today we have no extra money.

So maybe not flog a fever, but just buy a couple of hundred Chinese jeeps made in Russia? And let the UAZ do the "Russian PRADO" announced by it.

Everything requires a competent and progmatic approach.

Or maybe everyone can switch to everything only Russian? Well, let's be left without pants and without cell phones and without computers and without a bunch of everything else.

[three]

I support (oh, and the patriots are angry today on the branch) .... What are the Chinese famous for and why are they the FIRST in the world today? Pragmatism (the basis of Confucianism), that's what we lack ... Well, we cannot produce normal cars, well, we CANNOT. We have been suffering for many decades - to no avail. As an option, give the ministry of defense the line on the UAZ and let the defense orders bring the car to mind. After all, often military developments were led by civilians (space, missiles, atom, etc.) ..

[Aag]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Cars are needed today, and it takes time and ONE BILLION DOLLARS to develop a new model !!!

Now imagine that even having done this, this SUV will not be in demand, since there are Chinese and European, Japanese and American counterparts and people are used to them, they are reliable and quality tested. Or do you think that everyone will run after the UAZ ?! No, they will not run, such a machine will take a long time to win a place in the market, but such a machine is only in the plans, and the generals must be transported today.

Following your logic, the Ministry of Defense will receive cars in 10 years, and it will have to spend a lot of money, which can be wasted. And today we have no extra money.

So maybe not flog a fever, but just buy a couple of hundred Chinese jeeps made in Russia? And let the UAZ do the "Russian PRADO" announced by it.

Everything requires a competent and progmatic approach.

Or maybe everyone can switch to everything only Russian? Well, let's be left without pants and without cell phones and without computers and without a bunch of everything else.

"... such a machine is only in the plans, but the generals need to be transported today ..."
So the problem is that the generals did not scratch themselves before ... As with the MZKT, diesel engines for the Navy, and everything else ...

[vl903]

you don't need everything, but you need to do everything strategically important yourself and plus there should be no unemployment (I equate the salary below 40 thousand with unemployment. The rest of consumer goods can be purchased. the more the state is independent.

[Kuroneko]

Quote: awdrgy

And not to buy from another country, which, according to the theory of probability, can become an enemy

According to the theory of probability, Russia has only two allies - the army and the navy (we are skidding with the navy, so the probability is such itself).
Who is our most reliable ally there now? Belarus? Are you ready, in all honesty, to guarantee that a new Ukraine will not work out of it in a year? Meanwhile, Belarus is very important for us at least as platforms for our mobile nuclear complexes.

[Alf]

Quote: awdrgy

And you can do without luxury cars - it's not critical

This is not critical to you, but to our generals it is very critical.

[bk0010]

Quote: awdrgy

No, you have to do

Do not. Let them ride the Tigers, they won't fall apart.

[-Dmitry-]

No, it is necessary to do And not to buy from another country, which, according to the theory of probability, can become an enemy And you can do without luxury cars, it is not critical

They do that. But apparently the Patriots do not really want to buy. Aurus is not yet in the series and it is not clear how much the price for an SUV will be. So they buy Hawalas. The same Pradikas are only 2 times cheaper.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Ha ha ha !!!
Lived! We drive Chinese SUVs.
And where are your UAZs?
And this is called - the guarantor raised the country from its knees!

[Kaman]

But what about the domestic manufacturer? Where, I'm not afraid of this word, is patriotism?

[Alf]

Quote: Kaman

But what about the domestic manufacturer?

And where is he, DOMESTIC producer? Let me be named at least one car plant that produces cars, owned by Russia? Where is Moskvich? Where is IZH? Where is the Volga? Where is the WHA?

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

... We simply do not have our own luxury cars of normal cost.

And where is the domestic auto industry? Shame. Soon we will order ships from the Chinese

[carstorm 11]

Aurus is still sooooo expensive. So far, okay

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

Aurus is still sooooo expensive. So far, okay

Isn't Aurus bold for them? Under the USSR, they drove UAZs, and the Volga, and the army was much stronger than now.

[carstorm 11]

Volga is the same analogue. Why was she in the army?)

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

Volga is the same analogue. Why was she in the army?)

Because they made it themselves, because it is an amazingly reliable car. The engines on emergency generators worked for 20-30 years without capital, the soldiers served them, they poured gasoline in half with aviation kerosene and nothing, until the mid-2000s they worked exactly.

[carstorm 11]

I'm not about reliability, but about her class.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

I'm not about reliability, but about her class.

Who made the Volga? Was it made on the screwdriver assembly? This is where you have to dance, of course, buying from the Chinese is easier than building a factory and creating jobs. Only do not mention this miracle about the screwdriver assembly in Russia, please, this is not a full-fledged production.

[carstorm 11]

Factory for the production of WHAT? !!! Where are you carried?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

Factory for the production of WHAT? !!! Where are you carried?

Why did they stop producing the Volga at all? Wasn't it possible to transfer all the officials to the Volga? A plant for the production of cars of this class, where 25 million high-tech jobs by 2020?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Why did they stop producing the Volga at all? Wasn't it possible to transfer all the officials to the Volga?

Do you know what happened to Boris Nemtsov, who wanted to transfer all the officials to the Volga?
Since then, no one has raised this issue before you.

Quote: carstorm 11

I'm not about reliability, but about her class.

Clean, passing by. "Volga" was at the commanders of the formations and their equals, because it was foolish to come to the meetings of city and regional committees by tank, as well as to army meetings of different levels.

[carstorm 11]

Exactly. The need to have luxury cars has always been)

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: ROSS 42

Clean, passing by. Volga

Frankly speaking, I feel sorry for this car, for its time one of the best cars was in its class.

[Vadim237]

If you find 25 million highly qualified workers, then 25 million highly qualified jobs will appear. Enterprises by themselves will not work.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Vadim237

If you find 25 million highly qualified workers, then 25 million highly qualified jobs will appear. Enterprises by themselves will not work.

Your "Master of All Toilet Brushes" voiced "Strategy-2020" One of the goals of which was to create 2020 million high-tech jobs by 25. As for the personnel for these enterprises, training the personnel in working specialties is the lesser of the problems. For example, I am in the first specialty "Electromechanical technician for the operation of industrial robots" only robots in my city died together with the USSR, on a CNC machine and now I could work, probably, after a couple of weeks of internship, but the trouble is, CNC machines in my city , probably about 5 pieces left, and those at the woodworking enterprise do "hand-carving" on them.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Volga is the same analogue. Why was she in the army?)

We watched the film "Officers". On what car did the division commander return to the unit?

[carstorm 11]

The divisional commander of the Volga Kroms, also has an UAZ), even two with a backup if that)

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

The divisional commander of the Volga Kroms, also has an UAZ), even two with a backup if that)

He needs Gelik

[carstorm 11]

And what have you met?)

[Lyapis]

Volga by Soviet standards was the most natural luxury car, the very "member". And certainly the strength of the army does not depend on the brand and place of production of staff vehicles.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lyapis

Volga by Soviet standards and was the most natural luxury car, the same "member".

Seagull and Zil were "members". Volga and in a taxi for 20-30 years, the main car for a taxi was. They tried to put Moskvich 2140 in taxi companies, but it did not take root there due to low reliability.

Quote: Lyapis

And certainly the strength of the army does not depend on the brand and place of production of staff vehicles.

It depends on everything, and the same thing depends on it. Albeit to a lesser extent.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Lyapis

Volga by Soviet standards was the most natural luxury car, the very "member". And certainly the strength of the army does not depend on the brand and place of production of staff vehicles.

Don't be delusional. In the late 60s, an uncle, a simple engineer, albeit at a numbered factory, drove me on his Volga - the front sofa was solid, the gearshift lever was on the steering wheel, why would it be a "member"? They were Seagulls - for the first secretaries of regional committees and commanders of districts (although they were on free sale) and ZILs - well, this was already the Union level.

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

Aurus still stands

Gelendvagen needs to be bought for positions from the division commander
Why waste time on trifles

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: carstorm 11

Aurus still stands

Gelendvagen needs to be bought for positions from the division commander
Why waste time on trifles

brabus!

[Stas157]

Quote: carstorm 11

Aurus is still sooooo expensive

And what is there in the domestic Aurus? Is there at least half of it not imported?

[Runway]

Not a bad idea. There was no talk of localizing 25 million jobs by 2020.

[The leader of the Redskins]

And the domestic one was thrown on Aurum ... We must let the dust in our eyes. Shame! Soon, instead of "Kalash", we will start buying imported rifles! But with the "excuses" that they were collected at factories located on the territory of the Russian Federation!

[Lyapis]

This plant is located in the Russian Federation, it pays taxes in the Russian Federation, citizens of the Russian Federation work there, has a fairly large degree of localization, so what's the problem? In not "our" nameplate on the car, or what?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lyapis

so what's the problem? In not "our" nameplate on the car, or what?

Are you pretending to be Dunno or are you just being ridiculous?
Yes, domestic production has (as opposed to imported foreign) one main advantage: no one will ever be able to stop it with any sanctions or leave the manufactured products (equipment) without spare parts.

[Snail N9]

Uh-huh. This plant is a typical "Russian production" from the site "Sdelanunas" - "Euro-hangars", in which there is a real "screwdriver production". From Russian "localization" there, perhaps, floor mats (and even then I'm not sure). In order to assemble a car from parts manufactured somewhere, very few personnel are needed. Very few staff. But, in order to smelt metal, make plastic, composites, and then make an engine, transmission, housing and everything else from them, dozens of enterprises are needed that employ several orders of magnitude more personnel than "screwdriver assembly". So that the screwdriver assembly has always been beneficial to the countries of the producers, as the natives collecting equipment and machines in hangars from parts made by the country by the manufacturer, rejoicing in the scanty number of jobs on this "screwdriver" (because they simply cannot create others), load the economy workplaces for personnel of the country of origin.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Lyapis

This plant is located in the Russian Federation, it pays taxes in the Russian Federation, citizens of the Russian Federation work there, has a fairly large degree of localization, so what's the problem? In not "our" nameplate on the car, or what?

It's a shame for the state. After all, the Chinese car industry was building the USSR, and now the Chinese treat us like slaves.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Soon, instead of "Kalash", we will start buying imported rifles!

I would not be surprised, since the Kalashnikov concern was bought by a certain rock musician.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mordvin 3

I would not be surprised, since the Kalashnikov concern was bought by a certain rock musician.

Former Deputy Minister of Transport in my opinion, no? Although that changes. Where did the former deputy ministers get such money from? Probably honestly earned, that uryakalka do not say anything about it.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Where did the former deputy ministers get such money from? Probably honestly earned, that uryakalka do not say anything about it.

They gave him a loan, he said himself.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Mordvin 3

They gave him a loan, he said himself.

Good for him. Here you need 30 thousand for your project for advertising, you don't know where to get it.)))))

[carstorm 11]

What nonsense ... because of hundreds of cars among tens of thousands, you arrange some kind of tent ...

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

What nonsense ... because of hundreds of cars among tens of thousands, you arrange some kind of tent ..

you are talking nonsense! First - cars, then - ships, then - land!

[carstorm 11]

Yes, calm down already, eh? Several dozen cars for several districts. Although the MO park is tens of thousands. So it was and is and will be. The battle for a domestic producer should not turn into an outright clownery. Well, there is no adequate replacement for us. Not. Humble yourself. Will appear, buy them. What does damn earth have to do with it? MO buys foreign land?

[RUSS]

Quote: Silvestr

Soon we will order ships from the Chinese

Project 22460 Okhotnik border patrol ships, which are being built at the Almaz shipbuilding company, will continue to be equipped with Chinese high-speed CHD622V20 engines manufactured by Henan Diesel Engine Industry Co. In the past, these machines had problems, but now all the flaws have been eliminated.

[New Year day]

Quote: RUSS

Okhotnik, which are being built at the Almaz shipbuilding company, will continue to be equipped with Chinese high-speed CHD622V20 engines manufactured by Henan Diesel Engine Industry Co. In the past, these machines had problems, but now all the flaws have been eliminated.

I am very happy for China!

In 1900, at the World Exhibition in Paris, the Diesel engine received the Grand Prix, which was facilitated by the news that the Nobil plant in St. Petersburg had launched the production of engines that ran on crude oil. This engine was named "Russian diesel" in Europe.
The main achievement of Nobil and his engineers was the change in the design of the diesel engine to reverse, which made it possible to use diesel engines as ship machines.
After the revolution, the Nobels left Russia forever. The plant was nationalized and in 1919 received the name "Russian Diesel", specialized in the production of marine diesel engines.
During the Great Patriotic War 1941-45 "Russian Diesel" produced mine hulls, pumps for pumping water, in the post-war years it built powerful marine diesel units, which were equipped with almost the entire tanker and fishing fleet, as well as ships of the Navy and ships of a series of command control complexes space objects.
And here's the bottom line ...

In the beginning. 1990s the plant was incorporated, in 1999 petersburg. the plant was declared bankrupt and closed, the Vsevolozhsk plant, also called "Russian Diesel", was engaged in the production of spare parts, after a while it also ceased to exist.

[Sotskiy]

Quote: Silvestr

Shame. Soon we will order ships from the Chinese

Tyk has been ordered for a long time, though not ships, but ships:

Back in 2007, the Russian Maritime Register of Shipping signed a contract for the technical supervision of the construction of ships at a Chinese shipyard
The Main Directorate of the Russian Maritime Register of Shipping (RS) signed a contract for the provision of RS services for the technical supervision of ships under construction at the Hua Xia shipyard, Wuhan, China. As stated in the message of the Russian Maritime Register of Shipping, within the framework of this document RS will carry out technical supervision over the construction of the first series of six self-propelled dry cargo vessels with a deadweight of 5200 tons (length 123,17 m, width 16,5 m, draft 4,2 m). Vessels with a double bottom, double sides in the cargo section and three cargo holds are intended for the carriage of general, bulk, timber and bulky cargo, as well as containers. The ships will be assigned the class RS KM (*) LU1 II

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: carstorm 11

We simply do not have our own luxury cars of normal cost.

Aurus Commandant))
Oh, yes - the cost is not normal, I agree.

[Doliva63]

Aurus Commandant - cool!

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Doliva63

Aurus Commandant - cool!

Rzhu himself
Who just came up with it. The commandant of the hostel is immediately drawn - a burly aunt with the habits of habalka and garbage at once.
I am waiting for the Aurus Vohrovets golf car in this line. And the paddy wagon Aurus Vertuhai. For VIP, of course)

[Nazar]

carstorm 11 - as you wrote - "we just don't have our own ...." - and Aurus is not an option? In the Emirates, they want to open a sales center, technical service ... and here, at home - "Chinese"

[Lyapis]

And nothing that Aurus and Hawal (or a similar model) are cars of slightly different price categories. And would it be a little fat for some conventional general to ride Aurus?

[carstorm 11]

Price. Well, very big. Highly.

[Vadim237]

Mass production of Aurus will begin in the 22nd 23rd years in the 21st they will start producing cars on pre-order.

[pv1005]

And that on UAZ to move from point A to point B on business is no longer a camilfo?

[New Year day]

Quote: pv1005

And that on UAZ to move from point A to point B on business is no longer a camilfo?

And show-off!

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: carstorm 11

We simply do not have our own luxury cars of normal cost.

And now I became curious. When class cars suite, have become a necessary part army mechanism? We are surely talking about harsh army men, and not about glamorous kept women, with a brood of terrier rats? Even though I’m a young lady, I don’t go in a suite, and take my word for it, so far neither the priest has worn off, nor my hands have fallen off. That's interesting. Who in our MO is a pampered princess?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: carstorm 11

There is no rake there. There would be pradic or something else. There will be 20 of them in each district. Even less. We simply do not have our own luxury cars of normal cost. And so at least they will help the plant.

Did the Ministry of Defense have luxury cars in the Soviet Union, or did they manage without them?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Vol4ara

Quote: carstorm 11

There is no rake there. There would be pradic or something else. There will be 20 of them in each district. Even less. We simply do not have our own luxury cars of normal cost. And so at least they will help the plant.

Did the Ministry of Defense have luxury cars in the Soviet Union, or did they manage without them?

There were. The minister has ZiL, the commanders of the districts have Chaika. All. The rest are on the Volga and UAZ.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Doliva63

Quote: Vol4ara

Quote: carstorm 11

There is no rake there. There would be pradic or something else. There will be 20 of them in each district. Even less. We simply do not have our own luxury cars of normal cost. And so at least they will help the plant.

Did the Ministry of Defense have luxury cars in the Soviet Union, or did they manage without them?

There were. The minister has ZiL, the commanders of the districts have Chaika. All. The rest are on the Volga and UAZ.

Maybe now they will ride the Volga and Oise?

[New Year day]

Quote: Vol4ara

Maybe now they will ride the Volga and Oise?

general's asses don't like bumps

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: Vol4ara

Maybe now they will ride the Volga and Oise?

general's asses don't like bumps

If we curry favor with generals for the sake of comfort, then we have big problems

[New Year day]

Quote: Vol4ara

we curry favor with generals for the sake of comfort

His offspring and this

Quote: Vol4ara

big problems

[Old tanker]

And what are the generals zapadlo to drive UAZ "Patriots"? Some unpatriotic generals. And it would be nice to help UAZ too, not a Chinese manufacturer. The workers in Tula will not get paid from this.

[awdrgy]

You just don't need to shout at them and it's not even desirable to speak))

[YOUR]

And about a sustainable economy. But what happens in reality?

[Eldorado]

More like a fake.
I have never seen the military in Chinese cars.
They buy Niva and Patriots.

[carstorm 11]

For the districts, luxury cars have always been purchased. There are just few of them. Our cars are for service, luxurious for specific occasions.

[Doliva63]

Quote: carstorm 11

For the districts, luxury cars have always been purchased. There are just few of them. Our cars are for service, luxurious for specific occasions.

There has always been only one luxury suite in the district - at the commander's.

[carstorm 11]

Volga one per district?)))

[Doliva63]

Quote: carstorm 11

Volga one per district?)))

Hmm. That is how the Seagull was. One per county, yes.

[carstorm 11]

Volga is also a luxury car) by the way there should have been at least two seagulls. There have always been understudies.

[Doliva63]

Quote: carstorm 11

Volga is also a luxury car) by the way there should have been at least two seagulls. There have always been understudies.

No, the Volga is not a luxury car. And there were 2 Chaeks, yes. One is a limousine, the second is a phaeton type, front door. There were no understudies.

[Alien From]

The Patriots are full of foreign parts.

[Ugochaves]

Announce the list please

[Alien From]

Internet to help you. This forum is not about spare parts.

[Ugochaves]

That is, you personally do not know, of course. You don't need to pound on the keys too much. When you state something, be so kind as to justify it.

[Alien From]

Maybe that earth is a round link to give?

[Free wind]

Cardans, damn cardans !!!!! Chinese !!!!, oil filters, radiators, seats, catalysts, bearings, processors, electric motors for heating, air conditioners, wipers and air conditioners, clutch, brake pads, and the wiring is the same.

[Thrifty]

Have sunk to the handle! What's next - and will we start buying military equipment from the Chinese too? ??

[Vadim237]

If they want to buy Chinese SUVs for the department, let them buy it - in this segment of the citizen, Russia has nothing to offer so far.

[Aag]

Quote: Vadim237

If they want to buy Chinese SUVs for the department, let them buy it - in this segment of the citizen, Russia has nothing to offer so far.

With this approach, the number of sectors where the Russian Federation will not be able to offer anything will only increase and widen. In the end, it will form a solid circle (geometry, you know), and we will all go deeply, deeply there ...))) (( (

[Svarog]

Quote: Vol4ara

The same rake only in profile. Then we will shout about import substitution

Import substitution in action .. soon the Chinese will replace us even on our territory .. And what about the UAZ .. not comme il faut on the loaves? Amazing efficient managers.

[Vadim237]

Outdated physically and mentally.

[PROXOR]

This machine is manufactured on the territory of the Russian Federation.

[Greenwood]

Screwdriver assembly from imported car sets. Such "factories" are often located in third world countries.

[PROXOR]

Nope. At least 30% of components are manufactured here in Russia. This is by law.

[Destiny]

Yeah ...
It is unpatriotic to somehow purchase Chinese Haval H9 SUVs,
when there is a UAZ "Patriot"...

[Alf]

Quote: Destiny

It is unpatriotic to somehow purchase Chinese Haval H9 SUVs,
when there is a UAZ "Patriot".

Somehow with patriotism not very ...

[Petrik66]

Do we have a replacement? UAZ Patriot? The winner in the ranking of the most rusting cars!

[marchcat]

But what about Patriot, I would like to ask the patriots and defenders, did not fit in?

[carstorm 11]

They are there too. We just need more luxury cars. To carry all sorts of foreign delegations, etc.

[Uncle lee]

This MO limousine is no longer satisfied ?!

[carstorm 11]

Exactly) foreign observers will come to the exercises and there them)))

[Gardamir]

We just need more luxury cars

Why do you hate Russia so much? For you, the worse the better. And people work at UAZ, but the Chinese are closer to you. But the production of HAVAL began in 2013. Who did not allow Putin, Shoigu to support their producers?

[carstorm 11]

The Chinese are no closer to me. And UAZ cars are bought dozens of times more, if not hundreds, than these SUVs. It's just that each district has always kept a certain number of luxury cars. Carry foreigners, high command, etc. it has always been

[pv1005]

There is a feeling that after the purchase, foreigners go to them every day in shoals.

[carstorm 11]

Actually, constantly) we have exercises several times a year and there are always a lot of invited observers)

[BAI]

All these machines were purchased long ago and will be sold at the end of their service life, as here:
https://economy.mil.ru/economy/disposal_of_assets/movables/lots.htm?objInBlock=50&f=51&fid=3&blk=10363078 - продажа импортных автомобилей МО в связи с истечением срока службы.
And there will be no new foreign cars, tk.

Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of April 30.04.2020, 616 N 1, from July XNUMX, establishes a ban on state purchases of a number of foreign industrial goods, including cars and trucks, railway equipment. Previously, customers could purchase used petrol or diesel passenger cars. The exception was the countries of the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU).

Therefore, it does not matter which assembly (screwdriver or complete) - the main thing is that it is assembled on the territory of Russia. They could have taken Kaliningrad BMWs, if there is still production there. But the Germans are outright enemies. Not camilfo.

[Alf]

Quote: BAI

Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of April 30.04.2020, 616 N 1, from July XNUMX, a ban on public procurement is established

This prohibition was already very easily circumvented. Now bureaucrats do not BUY foreign cars, but take them FOR RENT. And all the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe. And the order of the king-father to carry out and not offend yourself.
In my native Samara, I somehow do not see our brands at all in the Samara Duma and the governorship.

[vl903]

full production of AvtoVAZ-5 million helms and we had our own design school and a full production cycle. now AvtoVAZ has 50 thousand workers, and as soon as we are denied components and old Renault models, we will suck the leg of a dead rabbit. Although we will not be left with such a makar in 50 years, the people have no money to raise children

[Alf]

Quote: vl903

and as soon as we are denied components and old Renault models, we will suck the leg of a dead rabbit.

Russian AVTOVAZ and the Romanian company Dacia will be merged into an alliance and will move to a single French platform. The Renault group of companies, which includes both brands, has published a new development strategy. It follows from the document that AVTOVAZ will abandon the original models in 2025, when the replacement of the current Lada Vesta will be released.
AVTOVAZ will soon lose the status of an independent engineering center capable of bringing a model from idea to conveyor, and in the future the plant's contribution will largely relate to the stylistic design of cars, their Russian adaptation and production.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Gardamir

Why do you hate Russia so much?

He doesn't hate anything, he just works out his 30 pieces of silver. But for stupidity or something else, I don't know. Maybe he is simply afraid that in case of some kind of upheaval, the pension will not be diminished. There is no hatred here, just fear and stupidity.

[carstorm 11]

It started))) forgot to write that I still get paid for posts)

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

It started))) forgot to write that I still get paid for posts)

And I never wrote this, although it’s probably better that you get paid. I cannot understand you such urapatriots simply that whatever the authorities do, it's good. We are profiting the country under your joyful cries, you can't help but see this, for what reason do you always defend the authorities, whatever they do?

[carstorm 11]

It's just that I treat everything with a healthy dose of cynicism and do not suffer from trifles. For many years the service has taught us to see and make various decisions. I know all this from personal experience and understand what is being done and why. But of course you can continue to complain about the authorities and see what you want. Do you know what's the funniest thing?) Nothing will change from your suffering. As needed, luxury cars will remain. You set up a big top because of hundreds of cars of which there are tens of thousands in the army.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Gardamir

But the production of HAVAL began in 2013.

Construction. Production started a year ago.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

They are there too. We just need more luxury cars. To carry all sorts of foreign delegations, etc.

Well, yes, it is on this "miracle of the Chinese car industry" that foreign delegations carry it, do not lie already, or something.

[carstorm 11]

Well, you can count as you like. I do not convince you of anything

[New Year day]

Quote: carstorm 11

They are there too. We just need more luxury cars. To carry all sorts of foreign delegations, etc.

what?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: marchcat

But what about Patriot, I would like to ask the patriots and defenders, did not fit in?

So it's not luxury.

[for]

Quote: tihonmarine

So he is not luxury class

From 2.5 000000 XNUMX this is your "economy class".

[tihonmarine]

Quote: for

From 2.5 000000 XNUMX this is your "economy class".

For that kind of money, you can buy something more decent (for yourself).

[Zaurbek]

These are the features of Russian financial policy ..... in 12-13 it was 1,7 million-1, 9 million ... and now it is already reaching 3 million. And with 3x, the luxury tax begins.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: for

Quote: tihonmarine

So he is not luxury class

From 2.5 000000 XNUMX this is your "economy class".

You do not need to compose, here is the most expensive model of the UAZ Patriot:
LUX PREMIUM
Premium Suite
1 275 000 руб.
Electronic stability control system ESP
Heated, side-bolstered front seats
Heated rear seats, windshield and steering wheel
Climate control
Multimedia system with navigation
Rearview Camera
An ordinary Patriot costs 900 thousand rubles.

[YOUR]

Patriot UAZ and Chinese Haval H9 are about the same class.
The reason for buying these cars is not clear. If there is a garrison where you live and there is a military police in it, pay attention to which cars they cut through. Not everything is natural, but the Kruzaks have a place to be. The same situation in the Ministry of Emergencies. There is no talk at all about the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard. There, cars with a Made in tag are not ours for a long time

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: YOUR

Patriot UAZ and Chinese Haval H9 are about the same class.

too "about".

[Stone]

These are just completely different classes of cars, for comfort the patriot is 20-30 years behind.
In general, the problem is that not domestic cars are being purchased, this is not a problem of the military, it is a problem of the auto industry. Now China produces significantly more modern and comfortable, as well as more reliable cars than the Russian auto industry. The same Vesta, not a bad car, but it is already very outdated. Niva that is old, that "new" is generally the finish, I do not understand the people who buy it. UAZ is already coming from the factory with traces of rust. Understand, if you continue to buy crafts of the domestic auto industry only because they are domestic, then these cars that are morally outdated 10-20 years ago will continue to be produced for another 30 years. more or less normal.

[Zaurbek]

A timeless patriot ...... take any generation Prado 30 years ago ..... he was better. UAZ can be compared with LK 70 (they are still produced), but it is unlikely to pull in reliability and UAZ does not have such engines

[2 Level Advisor]

For example, is Vesta 20 years out of date? I did not notice any strong differences from the Kia Rio, for example, the same 2015 or 2011 generations, about the same as her .. yes, in comparison with 11 years old and better .. just as I did not see any fundamental differences between grants and Renault symbol in 2020 .. You are exaggerating very much, the times on the VAZ-VAZ-2114 and the prior with dozens have passed .. Yes, Vesta is not a Corolla, but not 2110 compared to the Japanese 90s-20-30 years ago .. So AvtoVAZ is Renault-Nissan-Vaz for a long time .. and the stereotypes of the 90s are already in the 90s ..

[Alf]

Quote: Sten

Just not being able to sell any trash will force our car factories to start producing something more or less normal.

Dear colleague, please remind me what kind of "our" car factories in Russia have remained? In addition to the UAZ, nothing else comes to mind, I mean, cars.

[vl903]

The example of ZIL AZLK AvtoVAZ Gaz KAMAZ shows that everything is heading towards the complete destruction of our industry with the support of the special services and the governments of our "friends" and the connivance of ours.

[Aag]

Quote: YOUR

Patriot UAZ and Chinese Haval H9 are about the same class.
The reason for buying these cars is not clear. If there is a garrison where you live and there is a military police in it, pay attention to which cars they cut through. Not everything is natural, but the Kruzaks have a place to be. The same situation in the Ministry of Emergencies. There is no talk at all about the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the National Guard. There, cars with a Made in tag are not ours for a long time

Well, yes, they are the ROSguard!

[sustav75]

Patriots have no time! They are busy talking!

[Cowbra]

Most likely banal. The Patriot is produced by a private, not a state-owned company. Jeeparis are bought for budgetary ones. There and there production in Russia, here and there is a private trader, so the choice will be solely on the basis of price / quality criterion. So the UAZ can only wish to bang less show-off - and reduce the price. By the way, I'm not sure that everything is Russian at the UAZ.
If everything is as I described - the right of the Ministry of Defense

[Zaurbek]

A patriot is not for these purposes and does not hold out in quality ....... This is for the bosses. and a more or less normal analogue (s) are the Japanese Mitsu and Toyota (Nissan is already a SUV), but there are no localizations and they are 1 million (on average) more expensive.

[Berber]

Quote: Cowbra

Most likely banal.

I also think that an event should not be made of this. Moreover, the car is produced in Russia.

[vl903]

it is not possible to compete honestly with the Chinese, they decide everything only with bribes

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: marchcat

But what about Patriot, I would like to ask the patriots and defenders, did not fit in?

An acquaintance of mine, the district militia officer, drives it, does not speak about it censorship. Expensive to maintain and extremely unreliable. After the UAZ got on it.

[Zaurbek]

And we need to look at the% localization of UAZ Ptariot .....

[Aag]

Quote: marchcat

But what about Patriot, I would like to ask the patriots and defenders, did not fit in?

Because not in kilillits)) ...

[tralflot1832]

Someone will receive not a bad gesture, such advertising and all to be honest!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

Someone will receive not a bad gesture, such advertising and all to be honest!

Exactly, in a month already half of the VO participants will switch to Haval H9. (sorry for exaggerating, but a sailor without humor, that a cart without a wheel).

[tralflot1832]

You need to look at the price, otherwise you will have to take it out of a sense of patriotism, maybe the commander of the Navy is driven to such a car. Only without a leather interior, for the south, not very. Yes, and Sabakin shares the right place with his wife. Sailor.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

Need to see the price

Sale of Haval F7, 2021 in Moscow
RUB 1 minimum price 699 rubles.

[tralflot1832]

As it gets dark we will take, and two, though in each hand.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

As it gets dark we will take, and two, though in each hand.

And it all went, I will go by bus, it is calmer and my head does not hurt.

[tralflot1832]

Now you can only ride with a course machine gun, and they don't let them out for civilians.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

Now you can only ride with a course machine gun, and they don't let them out for civilians.

This brand is already occupied by Svidomitimi.

[tralflot1832]

I'm talking about those who like to cut and teach.

[Disant]

yes, there is anti-advertising - just look at the rear wiper

[Trapp1st]

We bought lighters, I wonder what UAZ didn’t suit them.

[loki565]

In the north, patrick has proven himself well, but the military campaign lacks comfort)))

[carstorm 11]

There used to be Volga in the districts. The meaning is the same

[Trapp1st]

Patrick is doing well in the north

Hawal too))

Massively withdrawn

[Stone]

The problem will be eliminated and very quickly. The Chinese react very quickly to problems and criticism, and make changes to the car. Although, personally, I probably won't buy a Chinese car myself, yet.

[vl903]

two fell asleep in a trench. So the Chinese leadership let them down under the fact that they themselves were there. we are strangers to them working animals

[zadorin1974]

Does not suit with "straight" hands during assembly.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: zadorin1974

Does not suit with "straight" hands during assembly.

Do you think the Khavalians have straight arms?

The head of the Czech put welding and stamping on the workers, and the Chinese boss is crazy ... He is delirious, like: on the machine on which 4 people have to work, he claims that one can cope, and the Russian bosses are licking his ass ...

This is from employee reviews.

[bar]

It remains to arrange the release of this good at the UAZ and kill the "patriot".
Patriotic, what ...

[Berber]

You tell me, what does the management of UAZ need to make cars of good quality?

[bar]

What is needed for quality, the management of UAZ does. And now his quality of "patriot" is at a quite decent level. When was the last time you drove a "patriot" yourself? Or who told?

[Berber]

I started out with a rusty three. Now I ride Japanese women. Sometimes I get behind the wheel of the "priors", if necessary. If there is an opportunity to choose, then the patriot is not among the leaders. Better "hunter" and better old. Neither one nor the other is suitable for everyday driving, and I drive a lot. These are off-road vehicles.

[bar]

Quote: BerBer

I started out with a rusty three. Now I ride Japanese women. Sometimes I get behind the wheel of the "priors", if necessary.

That is, you did not even sit in the "patriot", but about his poor quality "Moishe sang" to you. I understood that immediately. Continue to ride Japanese girls.

[Berber]

I didn't sit, I didn't even look at it. It is simply not economically viable - it "eats" a lot. And what did "Moisha" not please you?

[bar]

Quote: BerBer

I didn't sit, I didn't even look at it.

But this did not stop you from making comments to the management of UAZ about the quality of their products, which you are not even familiar with. This is enchanting.
And the funny thing is that you yourself are not funny.

[Aag]

Quote: bar

Quote: BerBer

I started out with a rusty three. Now I ride Japanese women. Sometimes I get behind the wheel of the "priors", if necessary.

That is, you did not even sit in the "patriot", but about his poor quality "Moishe sang" to you. I understood that immediately. Continue to ride Japanese girls.

May I?
I went, my friends have two "Hunter", two "Patriots", all from scratch (prepaid, by the way))). All (all!) For 3-8 months butted with warranty repairs: diesel engines, turbines, windows, seats ... Long, dreary, often without tangible results. It was possible to reanimate a "Patriot" a week old, however, after a XNUMX-hour swim in the Angara. Well, the build quality, engineering solutions are not impressive. Especially for use in VS. mediocre plastic. Break in boots, high fur boots in the cold; pour water when wading, - not a problem. Start the engine, - unlikely, and still you will not go; cooled down, - unrealistic. You cannot repair it on your knee ...
The heating and ventilation system cannot cope with fogging, freezing of windows, fake bumpers on an SUV, but the radiator grill (I don't remember, cast or milled) can be used instead of an anchor on a small ship! Yes, a lot of things ... I don't think that in recent years everything eliminated ...
I continue to "ride a Jap". Before that, there was a German, Soviet ...
I do not approve of the purchase of Chinese in the MO ...

[bar]

Quote: AAG

butted with warranty repairs: diesel engines, turbines

Nominally, only the ZMZ-409051.10 gasoline engine without any turbines is installed on a modern "pariot" with an automatic transmission.

I continue to "ride a Jap". Before that, there was a German, Soviet ...
I do not approve of the purchase of Chinese in the MO ...

Would you approve the purchase of "Japs"?

[Aag]

Quote: bar

Quote: AAG

butted with warranty repairs: diesel engines, turbines

Nominally, only the ZMZ-409051.10 gasoline engine without any turbines is installed on a modern "pariot" with an automatic transmission.

I continue to "ride a Jap". Before that, there was a German, Soviet ...
I do not approve of the purchase of Chinese in the MO ...

Would you approve the purchase of "Japs"?

A friend had a diesel "Hunter" ... He still has it, only with a third, gasoline engine ...
And the Japanese would not approve.
The domestic auto industry has not shone for a long time ... Maybe it's time to reanimate something, bring to life, and not get rid of everything "ineffective"?

[bar]

Quote: AAG

A friend had a diesel Hunter ...

First, the conversation was about a "patriot" and not at all about a "hunter". Secondly, we are talking about the real state of affairs, and not about what was once (this is about the fact that "the management of UAZ does nothing for quality"). So, a modern "patriot" is a completely modern and quite high-quality car.

Quote: AAG

The domestic auto industry has not shone for a long time ... Maybe it's time to reanimate something, bring to life, and not get rid of everything "ineffective"?

Already added. Already "tazgovno" died long ago. There remains the last Russian car plant, from which real patriots of Russia like you also patriotically offer to get rid of. At the same time, knowing nothing about the real state of affairs, just patriotically assuming that there can be nothing good in Russia in principle.

[Aag]

Quote: bar

Quote: AAG

A friend had a diesel Hunter ...

First, the conversation was about a "patriot" and not at all about a "hunter". Secondly, we are talking about the real state of affairs, and not about what was once (this is about the fact that "the management of UAZ does nothing for quality"). So, a modern "patriot" is a completely modern and quite high-quality car.

Quote: AAG

The domestic auto industry has not shone for a long time ... Maybe it's time to reanimate something, bring to life, and not get rid of everything "ineffective"?

Already added. Already "tazgovno" died long ago. There remains the last Russian car plant, from which real patriots of Russia like you also patriotically offer to get rid of. At the same time, knowing nothing about the real state of affairs, just patriotically assuming that there can be nothing good in Russia in principle.

There was a conversation about the UAZ, and this is the second thing.
First, about Haval ...
You reproached your opponent for judging the products of UAZ, about the efforts undertaken by the management of the plant, without sitting in the "Patriot" (by the way, he writes that he would prefer the "Hunter"). on your communication experience ...
You enroll me in some strange patriots, ascribe to me conclusions that I did not draw. Where did you read that I "propose to get rid of"?

[New Year day]

Quote: bar

What is needed for quality, the management of UAZ does.

exactly does?

Look at the expressions on the faces of Putin and Gerasimov!

Quote: bar

And now his quality of "patriot" is at a quite decent level.

RAVE!

[Stone]

Start working, change management, cut the salaries of your loved ones, hire normal designers, establish parallel production (assembly, with the maximum possible localization) of foreign cars in order to see how modern cars should be produced in general. AvtoVAZ did it and the same Vesta was born, Logan was reworked, as a result, Largus appeared, which is now a hit on the market among 7 local station wagons. Although now it looks like Renault-Nissan has put an end to AvtoVAZ's own developments, they will produce outdated Dacia.

[bar]

Here is another expert in the field of the automotive industry, traditionally calling for the closure of the last remaining domestic car plant and selling it to foreigners for a "full cycle" screwdriver assembly. So we will win ...

[vl903]

AvtoVAZ - had its own development and its own production. It fed about 5 million people. West Development 2000. the design school was destroyed. the factories were dismantled for scrap. The machines are almost entirely not made of Russian components and materials. because of this it is twice as expensive. at the plant there were 50 thousand left and those without a normal social system and wages. Europeans and Chinese pushed their peoples income through AvtoVAZ and we have no money to support children and will die out in 50 years

[awdrgy]

Lived! Cool!

[Kelwin]

Well done, cho ... and the UAZ will take care of the frying pans.

[ALARI]

Well, the generals should be transported on a soft, hardships and hardships are not for them. Patriotic.

[mark1]

We need to catch a Chinese spy in the bowels of the MO (probably somewhere in the AXO service)

[Zaurbek]

The military police have been driving the PV Multiven for a long time.

[mark1]

It means that a whole Shpiyon International has built a nest there.

[Kapkan]

If I were a serviceman who is entitled to an SUV or a car in general, I would only drive a UAZ.
This is my principled position.

[carstorm 11]

And I won't even sit in this firewood for free. Everyone has their own criteria

[forty-eighth]

Buy with your own money and ride anything. Why should the state pay for someone's wishlist?

[tihonmarine]

Owner reviews.

Everything is done to the best ..., the body is rotting before our eyes, the welding seams of the body are of poor quality, 2 diagonal load-bearing seams have cracked in the area of ​​the windshield, paint has climbed, did not have time to see rust, the paint is the cheapest, from Chinese entrances, the metal is thin as a blade , bends from a little finger, squeaky, dishman interior material, cracks at the points of the clips, smelly, chemistry and rushing, the gluttonous engine eats 16-17 liters quietly in the city, the suspension is weak, is killed systematically, a bad brand, it is impossible to sell this shit on the secondary, its new is hard to sell, and on the secondary it is generally impossible to hand over.

https://www.drom.ru/reviews/haval/h9/5kopeek/

[Zaurbek]

What is the problem? There is a contract, there is a guarantee (5 years) if they will not stand the contract - they will not get into the next one. I sat in the cabin, felt .... fat is no worse than Korean Sorento and Mojave. Now the secondary housing has just gone from the first parties, and even the Chinese assembly.

[Tuzik]

an excellent basin, drove, no worse, and in some things even better than a pradik at a price less than a pradik by 2 lemma

[Gvardeetz77]

For the first time or what? VAI already had Rextons in considerable quantities (so they seem to be not localized at all from Korea, South) and Ford tricks from Vsevolozhsk ... Well, not if the car is in your Fatherland ...

[Alf]

Quote: Gvardeetz77

Well, not if the car is in your Fatherland ...

Why not start doing it? Here, really, at which plant?

[Sergey Pavlov]

Well, what did you want ?? The Chinese have decently rolled back anyway, otherwise they would not have bought this threshing floor. Import substitution, ha ha ha. Sorry for UAZ, Patrick is a good car for his money.

[Thorvlobnor IV]

Patrick is a bit tall - it's hard to stuff the fat generals' bodies. The Chevrolet Suburban would be ideal, but unpatriotic.

[rocket757]

It doesn't have to be a system, forever ....
And so, a one-time purchase to stimulate brain and other activities, national producers ...
Not a plus or a minus, TEMPORARY.

[Alf]

Quote: rocket757

And so, a one-time purchase to stimulate brain and other activities, national producers ...

So there are none, national producers. Perhaps only the UAZ remained.

[rocket757]

And why is the UAZ bad? If done normally, you can use it.

[Aag]

Quote: rocket757

And why is the UAZ bad? If done normally, you can use it.

Keyword "IF" ...
And the purchase of "Chinese", to put it mildly, is not encouraging.

[rocket757]

Quote: AAG

Keyword "IF" ...

The question is, of course, interesting, bearded ...

[sledak]

Quote: carstorm 11

Factory in the Russian Federation. Try to read carefully. Russian people work there.

The plant is in the Russian Federation, I think, taking into account the automation and robotization of production, there are not many personnel there, and maybe the Chinese have already been brought in, I don’t know, but the owners of the plant are in China, which means that the profit will go there. I would like the Ministry of Defense to spend what it receives from my taxes on a domestic producer. And in general, the more comfortable the car, the wider the general's backside, and fit people should serve in the army.

[Jacket in stock]

Mdya ....
But in our memory, when China bought from us.
Everything changed so quickly ...
And we still naively think that we live in a great country.

[prior]

Only uninhabited and ruined expanses were left of greatness. But this is not for long.

[jeka424]

A broken country

[Revolver]

And in America, Chinese cars are not sold at all, from the word "absolutely". They do not pass for safety and ecology.

[Zaurbek]

Not for sale yet ...

[fighter angel]

Wait, what about the domestic manufacturer?
The same UAZ, for example?
What about import substitution and support for domestic producers?
The Chinese are now "friends on duty" and you need to "make friends" with them?
And if tomorrow again 1969 and Father Damansky? Or will China have a change of priorities?
What then? Haven't played enough "friends" yet?
Well, at least we order not from the Turks ...
For some reason, all this painfully resembles the Russian Empire of 1914 ... They bought weapons all over the world, instead of developing their industry. And one horseradish cartridge, rifle and shell famine of 1915-16. with all that it implies.
Why not take as a basis the Soviet experience of industrialization and supply of their own Armed Forces, it is not clear ...
Although no, on the contrary, just the same is understandable - the devil's capitalism, so it has no bottom, no tire.

[donavi49]

domestic manufacturer

So Hawal is also a domestic manufacturer, if so. Spare parts are made in Russia, part of units in Russia, assembly in Tula.

UAZ

A third Indian which will be in the new generation? An effective oligarch manager is in charge there. And the state does not own anything.

[fighter angel]

Hawal is a domestic manufacturer, UAZ is Indian and nothing belongs to the state ...
, kabzdets! Stop the ground.
Global imperialism will sooner or later kill this planet ...

[New Year day]

Quote: donavi49

Spare parts are made in Russia, part of units in Russia, assembly in Tula.

Russian speakers are not accepted for work, or rather they are accepted .. if you know Chinese. So much for Tula! Local assembly!

[TatarinSSSR]

Are the purchases of UAZ for the army finished? Because of the purchase of Chinese SUVs?

[prior]

Import substitution, as it is, without cosmetics.

[Kushka]

The Chinese are still not able to do this:

The gravity dam hydroelectric power station, located on the Yangtze River in Hubei province, is the largest power plant in the world with an installed capacity of 22,5 GW. Since 2014, the annual production of the power plant has been 90-100 billion kWh. As a result of the 2020 monsoon with heavy rainfall, annual production reached a record 111,8 billion kWh, breaking the previous world record of the Itaipu Dam of 103,1 billion kWh from 2016.
Three Gorges is the largest building in the world by mass... Its concrete dam is solid and weighs over 65,5 million tons. The total cost of the Three Gorges works is estimated at ¥ 203 billion, or about $ 30,5 billion. The reservoir formed by the dam contains 39,3 km³ of water and is the 27th largest in the world. To fill it, 1,3 million people were resettled from coastal areas, which became the largest resettlement in history for the construction of artificial structures. ...
The dam is 2309 m long and 181 m high from the rock base, made of concrete and steel. The project used 27,2 million m³ of concrete (a record amount for one project), 463 thousand tons of steel and about 102,6 million m³ of land moved.[b] [/ b] In three buildings of the hydroelectric power station there are 32 radial-axial hydraulic units with a capacity of 700 MW each with a design head of 80,6 m.
The pressurized structures of the hydroelectric power station form a large reservoir with an area of ​​1045 km², with a useful capacity of 22 km³. When it was created, 27 hectares of cultivated land were flooded, the cities of Wanxian and Wushan went under the water. The maximum permissible headwater height above sea level (FSL), equal to 820 m, was first reached in 175. The reservoir can be discharged up to 2010 m. The height of the tailwater above sea level is 145 m. Thus, the pressure level varies from 66 m to 79 m throughout the year, the maximum is reached during the summer monsoon season. The hydraulic unit is equipped with a spillway with a capacity of 109 m³ / sec.

[Kent0001]

SERIOUSLY?????? There are simply no words .... why not on the UAZ-Patriot ????

[voyaka uh]

And this is just the beginning.
And not only in the army. The Chinese began to take over the world's car markets, gradually improving the quality. And passing, model after model, European and American standards for safety and air purity.

[Zaurbek]

That's right ..... and the "successes" of American auto brands speak for themselves. That Ford, that GM are leaving the market ...

[Berber]

Objectively.
You need to evaluate their approach to business realities. And make the right conclusions. Less to turn up your nose, clinging to past merits. Simply put - there is a lot to learn.

[Ros 56]

What, absolutely fucking? There is something to scratch a turnip over.

[shturman112]

In my opinion, this is a shame. The army should have everything domestic. Create your own according to the necessary requirements. No, change the wishlist. Take it from the Chinese .......

[zloybond]

Thus, we patriotically support the domestic manufacturer represented by UAZ)))))

[TatarinSSSR]

Are the purchases of UAZ for the army finished? Because of the purchase of Chinese SUVs? Can I have a proof for this event?

[Berber]

Quote: Stas157

Vladimir Putin well done
Politician leader and fighter.

To the point, buddy.

[TatarinSSSR]

These are auto headquarters - to carry the chief's ass in uniform from the headquarters to various points in peacetime. In the event of martial law, these priests will be transferred to UAZs and Tigers. So I don't see anything critical here for the country's defense capability. And our workers at the plant in the Tula region have jobs and a stable salary.

[fighter angel]

Wow, so "Hawal" is a "ceremonial" option, and "UAZ" is like a field option?
And the question in this regard does not arise: THE BORSOMETER THERE HAVE NOWHERE ANYONE HAS BEEN SHOOTED BY ACCIDENTAL ???
Didn't some people go nuts, having one means, a jeep of "peacetime", and the second - "field-field" ???
Do not speak critically for the country's defense capability? And the money, Zin ??? And then there is no money for many promising programs and developments, but here comes the second set of "members" start to issue! Don't bother! One car is quite enough for headquarters and scuffling, and for field trips, and for maneuvers.

[TatarinSSSR]

Don't be hysterical. In NATO and around the world, generals do not drive Hummers and army jeeps in cities. They drive comfortable cars in peacetime. And if it is cheaper to buy such a car from China than to buy an uncomfortable UAZ at the same price, then this should be done. There will be an incentive for Ulyanovsk residents to work and create a better car and not raise prices. And about comfort - a person who has reached high military ranks has the right to some kind of comfort. Are you not a general? Then do not envy, but serve the Motherland and one day you will be given a comfortable company car.

[Alf]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

In NATO and around the world, the generals do not drive Hummers and army jeeps in cities. They drive comfortable cars in peacetime. And if it is cheaper to buy such a car from China than to buy an uncomfortable UAZ at the same price, then this should be done.

Show me at least one NATO general vehicle from the PRC.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

And our workers at the plant in the Tula region have jobs and a stable salary.

One more...

And I, what should I know Chinese? Well, I don't know him, on the first day, a man yelled at me and wanted something. I did not understand that I decided to just leave so as not to listen to him. So he followed me, suddenly grabbed my shoulders, and received a fist in the stomach, unlike him I am a karate master. I thought they would be fired, no, he did not say anything, but he didn’t come to me anymore. And there was nothing, but when I received my salary, I found only 15000 rubles, and the rest was fine. You understand, fire better than me on the article, but no, this is a fine, which was not commented on in any way. I went to this man who was yelling at me. And I started yelling, I yelled at him, he started yelling at me, I didn't understand anything, but he pissed me off, and I kicked him in the stomach with my knee. I'm waiting for how much they will pay this time. But if it is not enough, I will beat him up and quit.

[TatarinSSSR]

All questions to the Russian car industry, which cannot make it not very expensive, a high-quality premium class SUV in a civilian version, capable of competing at least with Chinese cars in price and comfort.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

All questions to the Russian car industry, which cannot make it not very expensive, a high-quality premium class SUV in a civilian version, capable of competing at least with Chinese cars in price and comfort.

Do you think this is the most hawal - high quality? Che that I doubt, although only once repaired the Chinese car industry.

[Alf]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

All questions to the Russian auto industry, which cannot make a low-cost, high-quality premium SUV in a civilian version,

Photo below.
And we still have a RUSSIAN passenger car industry?

[New Year day]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

All questions to the Russian car industry, which cannot make it not very expensive, a high-quality premium class SUV in a civilian version, capable of competing at least with Chinese cars in price and comfort.

How much money has been poured into the Russian car industry?
MOSCOW, June 18. / TASS /. More than 45 billion rubles were allocated in 2020 to support the Russian car industry during the crisis caused by the consequences of the coronavirus pandemic and the fall in oil prices. This was announced by Denis Pak, Director of the Automotive Industry Department of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, at the Sber Pro online conference. It's only 1 year old!

[Alf]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

These are auto staff - to carry the chief's ass in uniform from the headquarters to various points in peacetime.

Isn't it comme il faut for our generals and 30-year-old generals to ride in such Tigers in peacetime?

And from the point of view of the prestige of the country it is better, and also from the point of view of reliability.

[TatarinSSSR]

the price of this device (it was offered to sheikhs in Arab countries) and fuel consumption? Or maybe in your opinion it is cheaper than Hawala? What are you talking nonsense and minus?

[Alf]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

and minus?

Minus you? Does self-conceit prevent sleep?

Quote: TatarinSSSR

the price of this device (it was offered to sheikhs in Arab countries) and fuel consumption?

According to some reports, the SP-97 cost the customer $ 120 thousand, but it is worth considering that this is the price for ONE car, in the series the price will fall. Now for consumption. City-14 liters, potholes-22. Does the Chinese eat less?
And, as here one "comrade" gets tired, these machines do not need a thousand.
P.S. I think it's not worth comparing the quality of the Tiger and the narrow-eyed.

[TatarinSSSR]

A simple question - what is this monster for in the city?

[Alf]

Quote: TatarinSSSR

A simple question - what is this monster for in the city?

1. So that the generals do not disgrace themselves by driving around in Chinese.
2. Is the monster appropriate here?

3. To, as some have argued here, to meet foreign delegations. It’s not on Chinese pornography to come ...

[TatarinSSSR]

You are slightly confusing a ceremonial car with a daily carriage.

[Strashila]

This is not a car for the army, but for officials from the army, the UAZ no longer fits.

[7,62x54]

UAZ Patriot is no longer patriotic. Keep it up!

[BAI]

Didn't they burn when starting the engine in frosty weather?

[Nikolay1987]

there was a can F7

[Revival]

Something I began to notice that almost every day an article appears with facts, after which the question arises, is this already a breakthrough or a shame ...

[paco.soto]

began to notice that almost every day there is an article with facts, after which the question arises, is this already a breakthrough or a shame ...
You argue apolitically, you understand® - definitely a breakthrough! “Why aren't you laughing? - This is Russia! ® V.V. Zhirinovsky.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Revival

Something I began to notice that almost every day an article appears with facts, after which the question arises, is this already a breakthrough or a shame ...

Previously, officers in the troops up to and including the colonel rode UAZ cars with a canvas top and didn’t take a steam bath.

[u-345]

What does everyone demand from a domestic manufacturer?
Here the generals needed a Premium class, we do not have such. If required, of course, they will do everything, but the price of such a premium will be higher than that of Krauser. And the quality is unlikely. And this is for a couple of hundred copies.
Here it is necessary either to generals to reduce their appetites to UAZ, or to take China and not soar.

[Free wind]

I traveled on UAZs, on Nissans, and on Rovers, well, in my opinion, everything is about the same. The loaf is generally cool.

[paco.soto]

Reply
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Free wind
Free wind
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I went on UAZs, and on Nissans, and on Rovers, well, in my opinion, everything is about the same. © ©
Congratulations to the Sovramshi, Comrade Major!

[Artem76]

And what about "NIVA", "Patriot" not nikatit? )))))
Can they really be transplanted to the NIVA and the Patriots, you see, the cars will then be tightened up in the level.

[Kapkan]

Quote: carstorm 11

And I won't even sit in this firewood for free. Everyone has their own criteria

Perhaps you have no place in the Russian Army at all.

[Antidote]

Loss of another technology. Thank you managers.

[Tonpengof]

Somehow, it became sad for the domestic auto industry ...

[Old tanker]

Something stubbornly reluctant our generals to go to the "Patriots"! And even on Aurus!
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation supports the Chinese manufacturer. Nonsense!

[Zaurbek]

Well, AURUS costs from 15 million rubles ....... and the jeep will appear from next year only. Maybe Shoigu will be singled out.

[Old tanker]

Will snatch himself for sure.

[Zaurbek]

Kadyrov already has a fleet of armored Aurus ... limousine and bus

[Nikolay1987]

the technique passed all the tough qualifications

It is implied that they offered the minimum price, as well as the obligatory localized screwdriver production ?!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Nikolay1987

the technique passed all the tough qualifications

It is implied that they offered the minimum price, as well as the obligatory localized screwdriver production ?!

There is already a production in Tula. The main thing is to check the electronics

[notingem]

Dugouts with a jacuzzi. Trenches with a bidet. Tanks with Thai masseuses.

[Zaurbek]

The socialist homeland no longer exists. And the soldier needs to be explained what he is fighting for ... international debt, transit of gas or oil, oil fields, etc. Why not fight (work) under normal conditions.

[APASUS]

There are two points:
1 I am very glad, however, that it was an open tender, and not shared in a get-together
2 It's bad that not ours won and it is very surprising that we have nothing to imagine in this regard.

[Alf]

Quote: APASUS

it is very surprising that we have nothing to imagine in this regard.

No wonder, the result of 20 years of "getting up from your knees" is obvious ...

[Constanty]

I read and cannot believe my eyes.
In one of my comments, when I wrote about Land Rovers, one of the readers told me that the SUV is completely a helicopter, or at least MTLB.

And here, despite their own factories, they choose Chinese junk.

With all due respect - I would prefer these Land Rovers - if it's not about taxis for senior officers on the streets - then the Chinese can be better equipped and more comfortable

[hydro]

Using Chinese cars instead of Russian ones is a shame!

[Revival]

Here you have not considered this fact well, it is reported that this is a Breakthrough!

[Alexey from Perm]

Is this import substitution?

[Esaul]

And what is the UAZ Patriot bad for?

[veritas]

It's a shame for the state. What can I say. Already the army is changing into Chinese.

[Brother]

EVERYTHING is correct! how the Russian Ministry of Defense will not finance the Chinese car industry! This is HOLY!

[garik77]

Quote: Esaul

And what is the UAZ Patriot bad for?

Not all is well with reliability there. Read the UAZ auto forum and you’ll understand everything right away. Do you know what his name is? Bucket of bolts. https://www.drive2.ru/r/uaz/patriot/471223196947841650/

[nonsense]

I know what the main reason for choosing this particular Chinese is! -- His name! It warms their souls... Oh well, our Ministry of Defense is accustomed to eating from the heart...

[Note]

What a horror.. In the Chinese auto industry, this is already too much, of course.

[Note]

This is just technical misery.. Which costs almost three million, and begins to crumble immediately after leaving the workshop. 2 liter engine?! With a mass of more than two tons... Shame. Then it’s better to use a used one from Japan, although it’s a shame and at least it drives..

[Dkuznecov]

Share the links.
You came up with something you don’t understand,
and write.
I had 2 liters, two tons.
flies only on the way.
10 years - oil and gasoline.

[pin_code]

one and a half liter six-ton, on gasoline... easy to start. and 2 liters -2 tons...even diesel...I don’t see a way..

[silverura]

Russian Defense Ministry is changing to Chinese SUVs

But what about the UAZ Patriot?
As for me, it is necessary to create a Eurasian Union with China, with free trade, a visa-free regime and a common currency - the Yuan. This is the level)
Let's heal!

[pin_code]

shame... in army units, even a super salon... and that’s unlikely...

[Alexander X]

Everything related to the defense of Russia must have a full production cycle in Russia! And Chinese cars are a screwdriver assembly made from Chinese units. And somehow it is not clear that career (read combat) military personnel cannot travel on official business in domestic cars. What if you go into battle? Or are they so old and weak that it’s hard for them? So maybe it's time to retire then?

[Jager]

Taburetkin's case lives and wins. Rollback is a sacred thing. Hello, UAZ.

[Grognag]

Is this an article from the past? Or will the rebranding of much-needed headquarters vehicles happen along with the rebranding of the districts?

[lopvlad]

The relative small number of Chinese SUVs in the army can only indicate the beginning of purchases.

the relative small number suggests that these cars will be used only for representative purposes and simply to transport the authorities.

[squid]

And why did the UAZ Patriot not suit these patriots?

[squid]

Well, let's get started. So gradually we will transfer the rest of the army to Chinese equipment...

[kakvastam]

What’s annoying is not that they are Chinese, but rather the very negative reviews about them in various reviews.
And the word “competition” has long become a dirty word...