From the transfer of five T-72 tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they decided to make a media campaign

On the territory of the Kiev Armored Plant (KBTZ), a press briefing is scheduled for today on the transfer of five tanks T-72. This batch was modernized by specialists from Kiev.

This was announced yesterday by the press service of the state concern "Ukroboronprom".

The Kiev Armored Plant repairs and modernizes equipment in close cooperation with the Central Armored Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. Modernization covers everything - security, mobility, fire capabilities, command control.

- said in a statement.

However, it is not entirely clear why they decided to make such a large-scale media campaign from the transfer of five T-72 tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and even during quarantine. Moreover, last year the Ukrainian military received a whole battalion of such equipment, consisting of 31 units, and in a working order and without any briefings.

Noteworthy is the fact that, according to the press service of the concern, the event will be attended not only by the head of KBTZ Vladimir Sinyavsky, which is quite logical, but also by the head of the entire Ukroboronprom Yuriy Gusev. For this, he will even leave the important international arms exhibition IDEX-2021 taking place in the UAE.

The Ukrainian edition of Defense Express assumes that the briefing will not only focus on the ordinary transfer of a batch of modernized armored vehicles, but also an official statement on the adoption of the T-72AMT into service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine will be announced.

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[Insurgent]

From the transfer of five T-72 tanks to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they decided to make a media campaign

Wow ...! Yak sleep, that yak at the bells (bells) give!

Petliurists ...

[Irokez]

Is it possible to upload such secret documents to the Internet. Well this is undermining the statehood of young states.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Irokez

Is it possible to upload such secret documents to the Internet. Well this is undermining the statehood of young states.

It's not me This video, "leaked into the network", back in 1939, at the time of the release on the screens of the USSR, the film "Shchors" ...

[Rostov Papa]

If there is no override, then it must be invented, then any reason is good)))

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Rostov Dad

If there is no override, then it must be invented, then any reason is good)))

You will ask how many schools in Russia do not have a sewerage system. There will be no laughing matter at the Ukrainians.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

You will ask how many schools in Russia do not have a sewerage system. There will be no laughing matter at the Ukrainians.

And where to be interested, in Constantinople or Echo of Moscow?

[Korsar4]

Better to drive through small towns, even in the Central Federal District. Or to those places that have lost their city status.

[Sergej1972]

In small towns and regional centers, all schools have a sewerage system and warm toilets since Soviet times. Without sewerage, mostly small schools, mostly nine-year-olds, in rural outback. Many were built with collective farm funds. These are often candidates for closure.

[Korsar4]

And not just candidates, they are closing. You can, of course, replace the word optimization. But the essence does not change. And it goes through schools and hospitals.

[Ingvar 72]

Official sources tell you the same slander, or do the larger eyelid templates prevent your eyes from opening?
Olga Vasilieva at the end of 2019 said about 3400 schools that do not have a warm toilet. That is, a toilet in the school premises. More than 12 thousand people do not have hot water supply. How do you like this "superpower", against the background of growing incomes of the oligarchs, and falling among the rest of the population?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Official sources tell you the same slander, or do the larger eyelid templates prevent your eyes from opening?

So Constantinople or Echo of Moscow?

[Ingvar 72]

Minister of Education at the time of 2019 - Echo of Moscow?
What are the criteria for selecting you in the troll chat?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

What are the criteria for selecting you in the troll chat?

By the ability not to calm down until the answer to the question is received.
Echo of Moscow or Constantinople?

[Ingvar 72]

There is always a third option, but the processor seems to be too weak for the Zaputins to come to this themselves.
https://tass.ru/obschestvo/4768542
And yes, what did Constantinople not please, there are examples that they lied there? Or do you have a template?
PS The ability not to calm down, brought to the point of absurdity, is diagnosed in medicine.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And yes, what did Constantinople not please, there are examples that they lied there?

So Constantinople.
Why were they immediately ashamed to admit it, if Constantinople is not lying, as you think?
If I were you, I would say so, yes, I read Constantinople and I am proud of it.
And you started to play around.

The ability not to calm down, brought to the point of absurdity, is diagnosed in medicine.

What is it?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

So Constantinople

Are you healthy at all? I gave you a link to TASS, where is Constantinople?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Are you healthy at all?

At TASS, probably all employees are proud holders of USSR passports, and refuse to accept the fact that both the first and the second do not exist now.
Judging by your admonitions, I am sick. So what is the diagnosis?
Just do not limit yourself to sluggish schizophrenia, it would be too commonplace. Apply the full spectrum of your extensive medical knowledge and wealth of practical experience.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Just do not limit yourself to sluggish schizophrenia, it would be too commonplace.

You flatter yourself a little.
For when an intruder questions the words of the highest officials of the state, the head of the Federation Council and the former minister of education, this is already something more serious.
In fact, schools without sewers have something to say? If not, then dosvidos.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

For when the intruder calls into question the words of the highest officials of the state

So he is no longer a Zapudinian, but who?
What can I say about schools without sewers? The same as you. Neither you nor I have the slightest idea about this. In addition, what you learned from the websites of Constantinople and TASS.
Imagine a cat has seven tails. But such a cat does not exist only in the imagination. But any real cat has one more tail than a fictional one. It turns out that the cat has eight tails. Is not it so?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

In addition, what you learned from the websites of Constantinople and TASS.

TASS just recounted the words of Matvienko and Vasilyeva. And you count all the tails of a cat.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Ingvar 72

TASS just recounted the words of Matvienko and Vasilyeva. And you count all the tails of a cat.

Touchet, colleague!
If you love reading, then I do my best to recommend you the works of the British science fiction writer Frank Russell. Very ironic and almost completely apolitical. (diabolical)
I wish you good health, and with the past!

[Sergej1972]

On the other hand, these schools were without sewers even under the USSR?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sergej1972

On the other hand, these schools were without sewers even under the USSR?

And under the king there were no schools! Or are you ready to close your eyes to the past 30 years and progress, blaming the problem of the lack of sewage in the USSR schools?

[Filxnumx]

words of top officials of the state, the head of the Federation Council and the former Minister of Education

and you have a very peculiar understanding of the "quintessence of infallibility." Your favorite psychiatry even has a diagnosis for this case. Could you tell me in what position this State Dame uttered the speech about the sewage system so beloved by you?

[Ingvar 72]

Are you talking about Matvienko, or Vasilyeva?
You are ridiculous, you cannot refute the words, and you start hanging labels - Tsargrad, echo, position, cats ...

[businessv]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Echo of Moscow or Constantinople?

Look both there and there, there will be nothing superfluous, but for insurance it is better to contact our Statistical Office, it at least presents information apolitically. If this is not enough, then Echo of Moscow, or Constantinople!

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: businessv

Look both there and there, there will be no superfluous, but for insurance it is better to contact our Statistical Office,

You can do it much easier: take the official data and divide it in half. Plus or minus it will be so.

[businessv]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

You can do it much easier: take the official data and divide it in half. Plus or minus it will be so

This is what I suggest you do.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: businessv

This is what I suggest you do.

[seregin-s1]

According to official data, today there are about 53,5 thousand schools in Russia. 17 million students study in them. If you believe the data of Mrs. Vasilyeva schools without a warm toilet 6,35%. And my mind tells me that these schools have 10 students. More than 200 new schools opened doors for schoolchildren in Russia on September 1.

[Sergej1972]

Yes, without sewage and (or) without warm toilets, mostly small, mostly nine-year-old schools in rural areas with 10-30 students.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: seregin-s1

More than 200 new schools opened doors for schoolchildren in Russia on September 1.

And how many have closed? Areas for students? In 2000, there were 68.804 schools in the Russian Federation. Now around 40.000.

[Alex Justice]

Olga Vasilieva at the end of 2019. said about 3400 schools that do not have a warm toilet.

Maybe so, but solemnly opening the toilet is something. I should have emphasized that it's free :)

[Nikon O'Conor]

And the inscription on the wall probably means "With a new toilet!" Well, do not quote outright nonsense ...

[wow]

So IT IS now! Selling and fraudulent like country dogs!

[tralflot1832]

And what is this strange skirt around the tower that looks like rubber or is it a new material based on Ukrainian nano technologies?

[Insurgent]

Quote: tralflot1832

And what is this strange skirt around the tower that looks like rubber or is it a new material based on Ukrainian nano technologies?

Yes, the "skirt" made of a rubber-rope conveyor (conveyor) belt is such an attempt to protect yourself from cumulative ammunition ...

We are like that, handicraftly sheathed the sides of the BMP (at least something) ...

[tralflot1832]

I thought so that the shoulder strap of the tower would not get clogged with mud. Thank you.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: tralflot1832

And what is this strange skirt around the tower,

This is in order to smoke fat under it! The Tatar-Mongols in the campaigns put meat under the saddle so that it was salted, and the Sumerians would smoke fat on the go.

[Flooding]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

The Tatar-Mongols in the campaigns put meat under the saddle so that it salted

isn't it easier to shove your armpit? let yourself be salted

[prior]

This is Ukrainian know-how
Since the Ukrainian black soil is highly manured, the rubber skirt is an active protection against manure.

[Flashpoint]

Quote: tralflot1832

And what is this strange skirt around the tower that looks like rubber or is it a new material based on Ukrainian nano technologies?

Tank condom. Improves security :)

[Constanty]

This is nothing new. Such rubber-canvas covers have been used in the USSR since at least 1985 on the T-80UD.

They are also used today on Russian tanks.

[svp67]

Quote: Constanty

Such rubber-canvas covers have been used in the USSR since at least 1985 on the T-80UD.

What you called the "Russian tank" is the T-80U and it is still "Soviet" and this "rubber-fabric screen" appeared "at least" in 1985 on it. Since the T-80UD appeared later, in 1987, and is its modification

[Constanty]

Russian - in the sense - is used in the Russian army, which can be seen even in its characteristic coloration.

As for the year the T-80UD entered service, I was really mistaken, relying on the incorrect description in the Polish Wikipedia.

[svp67]

Quote: Constanty

Russian - in the sense - is used in the Russian army, which can be seen even in its characteristic coloration.

Then this is the "Korean" T-80U

And this, about horror and grudge, "Russian" T-80UD, still in its native, factory paint

[Constanty]

I do not really understand the meaning of your last post. Tanks of the T-80 family are used in different countries, not only in Russia.

And thanks a lot for the "significant" cons

[svp67]

Quote: Constanty

And thanks a lot for the "significant" cons

Yes please. Debt good turn deserves another

Quote: Constanty

I do not really understand the meaning of your last post. Tanks of the T-80 family are used in different countries, not only in Russia.

It's all about the fact that those modifications of tanks are "SOVIET"

[Constanty]

It's all about the fact that those modifications of tanks are "SOVIET"

Technically yes - but in the sentence

They also used today on Russian tanks.

This reflects the facts - these rubber covers are still used on tanks in the service of the Russian Federation.

So I see no reason to mock the Ukrainians about this.

I also recommend reading the site rules - especially the paragraph:

j) It is prohibited to purposefully minus all comments in a row by one user.

[svp67]

Quote: Constanty

So I see no reason to mock the Ukrainians about this.

?????????? How? By the fact that I call these tanks "Soviet"?

[Constanty]

In this way?

This is Ukrainian know-how
Since the Ukrainian black soil is highly manured, the rubber skirt is an active protection against manure.

And this is not the only comment in this style from here, I wanted to show that this is by no means a Ukrainian invention.

[svp67]

Quote: Constanty

In this way?

Are you attributing this comment to me? And when did I write this?

Quote: Constanty

I wanted to show that this is by no means a Ukrainian invention.

To me. Who immediately stated that it was all from the USSR. What for?

[Constanty]

No - I am not saying that you wrote this comment. But I didn't answer you, showing these screens on the T-80UD and the current Russian T-80U.
Therefore, I am writing this as part of the whole discussion and not just for sharing with you.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Constanty

j) It is prohibited to purposefully minus all comments in a row by one user.

Thank you for reminding me.
Sounds like an invitation to go and minus. For educational purposes only. Because worrying about ranking on a third-rate site is an infantile trait. At the very least, a sign that there are no other ways to assert yourself.

[Constanty]

When minuses are put for mistakes or stupidity, this is quite understandable and one can deservedly say - no problems.

However, if they arise for insignificant reasons (nationality, or just what is not like the truth), they are annoying.

[Quadro]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Constanty

Such rubber-canvas covers have been used in the USSR since at least 1985 on the T-80UD.

What you called the "Russian tank" is the T-80U and it is still "Soviet" and this "rubber-fabric screen" appeared "at least" in 1985 on it. Since the T-80UD appeared later, in 1987, and is its modification

The Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR, the RSFSR had the most production facilities, the RSFSR fed almost the entire union, and then you shout with phantom pains that it is "Soviet", and what, Georgia took part in the development? Or Armenia? Or the Central Asian republics? Stop writing crap, Russia was a state-forming republic, who are these Baltic states with cover and Georgia? Yes, no one can call it, so Soviet = Russian, everywhere Russian specialists worked and established production.

[svp67]

Quote: Quadro

RSFSR fed almost the entire union

Almost HOW?

Quote: Quadro

and then you shout with phantom pains that he is "Soviet"

Well, if that's the case. The chassis and the engine are from Leningrad, the Kharkiv tower and how to evaluate it?

Quote: Quadro

and what, Georgia took part in the development? Or Armenia? Or the Central Asian republics?

At the expense of Georgia and Armenia I will not say, it is worthwhile to understand the design well, but the Central Asian republics made a great contribution to the creation of these machines, a lot of things were produced from their cotton.

Quote: Quadro

Stop writing crap already,

I ADVISE YOU TO CHANGE THE TONE

[Quadro]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Quadro

RSFSR fed almost the entire union

Almost HOW?

Quote: Quadro

and then you shout with phantom pains that he is "Soviet"

Well, if that's the case. The chassis and the engine are from Leningrad, the Kharkiv tower and how to evaluate it?

Quote: Quadro

and what, Georgia took part in the development? Or Armenia? Or the Central Asian republics?

At the expense of Georgia and Armenia I will not say, it is worthwhile to understand the design well, but the Central Asian republics made a great contribution to the creation of these machines, a lot of things were produced from their cotton.

Quote: Quadro

Stop writing crap already,

I ADVISE YOU TO CHANGE THE TONE

And I advise you to turn off your demagoguery. Once again - is Kharkov a primordial Ukrainian city? Who worked for the HTZ - pig herders and Georgians or Russians? And regarding Central Asia - according to your logic, the American tank was not American, but some African American or Asian American, because before the rubber for rollers was made of rubber somewhere out there. Demagoguery is such demagoguery.

[svp67]

Quote: Quadro

And I advise you to turn off your demagoguery.

Well then, take advice from me too - turn off emotions and turn on your brain

Quote: Quadro

Once again - is Kharkiv a primordial Ukrainian city?

You are now doing PROVOCATIONS. And for example, the oldest city in Russia, Derbent, is it originally from? The German capital Berlin, originally whose is it? And Vilnius? And examples of darkness, you are now ABOUT WHAT?

Quote: Quadro

who worked for khtz - swineherds and Georgians or Russians?

And why in multinational Kharkov you were suddenly interested only in KhTZ? And yet, Georgians and Russians, that's understandable, but who is the PIGS? Take the trouble to answer

Quote: Quadro

Demagoguery is such demagoguery.

You answer who the "swineherds" are, in your understanding, and then I will find a definition of what you are doing

[Bad_gr]

In the video, I noticed that the tank was shooting from the latest modification (as I understand it), and the side around the exhaust pipe of the tank was contaminated with oil.

And this is not a two-stroke engine, but his own, and he should not shit like that.

[svp67]

Quote: Bad_gr

the side around the exhaust pipe of the tank is contaminated with oil.

Most likely this is soot, not oil. Here I was interested in something else, I do not find a wind sensor on this tank

[businessv]

Quote: tralflot1832

And what is this strange skirt around the tower, it looks like a rubber one.

I asked this question back in the article about the presentation of this product. I came to the conclusion that this is protection from everything that can get between the tower and the GM.

[Irokez]

Probably an advertisement for the LDNR. Like "guys have a product - take it until you bought it."

[Aerodrome]

well, so-so "action" ... we have launched an "armature" in Red Square ... it turned out awkward, they blinded from what was ... but ... "the party said it was necessary" and blinded ... then ten years they were finalizing but not working out ... isho need a little ... the motors of the couple do not rob for a long time ... right now, we will fix it in a couple of years. no, we will probably prolong it ...

[Irokez]

Is there a Red Square in Kyiv?

[Ingvar 72]

Thanks to the "successful" management of the Russian economy, Nezalezhnosti Square will soon appear in Moscow!
According to the article, we also have great fanfare about the launching of the Raptor boat, built under an import license.

[Irokez]

Rather, the area "Bulk", to remind how badly everything ends for the poisoned newcomer.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Irokez

Rather, the area of ​​"Bulk",

Whatever you call it, this does not bode well for Russia, but the authorities themselves lead the country to revolt.
During the 20 years of the "Grandmaster" rule, the Russian economy has become even more import-dependent than at the end of Yeltsin's rule. Yes, the rate of plunder of the country has decreased, but taking into account the fact that Putin and Co. at the helm for more than twice as long as Yeltsin, the result is more disastrous. During this time, China showed results ten times better. Moreover, with a more modest resource base.

[businessv]

Quote: Ingvar 72

During this time, China showed the result ten times better. Moreover, with a more modest resource base.

No need to dissemble, colleague! China ranks first in the world in gold mining, and even manages to bribe it over the hill as far as possible, so they will have a stronger resource base. If you meant minerals, including hydrocarbons, then you can agree with this.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: businessv

If you meant minerals, including hydrocarbons, then you can agree with this.

Not a single gold, as they say. Hydrocarbons, metals (except rare earths), timber, and much more.

[businessv]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Not a single gold, as they say.

If there is gold, then any business is on the shoulder! This is called the resource base - money, while China has the second, and in the real sector, it is clearly the first economy in the world.

[Sergej1972]

They have huge reserves of coal and iron ore.

[Sergej1972]

For many types of minerals, China is one of the three or five leaders in the world, both in terms of reserves and production. China is very rich in natural resources. And a significant part of the country is still poorly studied in geological terms.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sergej1972

In many types of minerals, China is in the top three or five

Yes I know. but you won't argue. that Russia is richer in resources both per capita and in general?

[Sergej1972]

I agree. But, by the way, not all deposits have been discovered in our country, the Chinese, the Brazilians, and even the Americans and Canadians, geologists will definitely not be left without work. The most offensive will be when some minerals are not needed in large quantities in the future. Now we are selling abroad - it seems that we are depriving future generations. And you look, when new generations grow up, they will reproach their ancestors for not selling out certain resources when they were still valuable.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sergej1972

And you look, when new generations grow up, they will reproach their ancestors for not selling out certain resources when they were still valuable.

I have a different opinion - just as now we reproach the older generation for allowing the collapse of the Union, so the next one will reproach us for allowing the sale of mineral resources and state enterprises.

[businessv]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Yes I know. but you will not argue. that Russia is richer in resources both per capita and in general

The question is not in the availability of raw materials in the country, but in their use! China, having a huge population, is much more successful in fighting poverty, coping with social programs ... with all programs it copes much more successfully than we, unfortunately!

[Ingvar 72]

Well, you know the reasons, I'm sure of that.

[businessv]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Well, you know the reasons, I'm sure of that.

Like all of us, colleague! We must do something about it! To begin with, let's take a ride past the cashier's office in the fall!

[Ingvar 72]

This is at least. Although this swindler can cheat on a large scale.

[Egoza]

Quote: Irokez

Is there a Red Square in Kyiv?

Was. Then it became Kontraktova Square. This is historically true. It was here that the Merchants' Meeting was held, winter holidays were held here, balls and a "fair of brides" were held.

[rocket757]

Upgraded it how? Have you covered the rust with paint?

[prior]

Well, if the opening of a new toilet in Ukraine is a media event, then the transfer of 5 repaired tanks should be covered by the world media at least.

[infantryman2020]

Nuuu ... By how to make a PR-action from the transfer of single samples of weapons and military equipment, they are unlikely to surpass us (lol)

[Fitter65]

The Kiev Armored Plant repairs and modernizes equipment in close cooperation with the Central Armored Directorate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. Modernization covers everything - security, mobility, fire capabilities, command control.

Strange, why no one reacted to this news with an article like: "Modernized tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (or in the SSU) pose a significant threat to the tank formations of the Russian Federation in the Southern Military District"

[Ros 56]

So it was necessary to invite Biden and his lackeys from the Geyropa to such a celebration. Banderlog blundered.

[Dimon-SPG]

Well, that's it, it's time to cut it out of the rash, until this relic reaches the Kremlin ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

evil tongues say that the engines are powered for a second repair ... that is, they do not need to drive long

[Adimius38]

Full nonsense and not an article. Sorry, but armata is supplied to the troops in hundreds at once ??? Or the Su-57 was delivered to the south in the amount of 50 machines ??? We put one Su-57 aircraft and the noise in all Russian media ALREADY a day in a row. Everyone is looking at Ukraine ..... Look at yourself. In terms of show-off and PR and also mass propaganda, others still need to learn from us

[jayich]

If we take the modernized equipment the same 72b3, but it is delivered in hundreds, the aircraft are delivered in dozens of pieces per year.
And the latest technology is supplied so far in single copies, but this is the latest technology that you just need to master how to use it, and only then buy it in large quantities. She pecks the chicken by the grain.

[Adimius38]

First of all, where is it said about the transfer of equipment in a year? Just the same, these five modernized tanks were delivered only this year, and the year has actually just begun, for example, this year we have delivered only one Su-57. Although, of course, all this is Russian propaganda ... It is more important to write such topics (but what about in Ukraine) than to write about problems within Russia itself

[Serg89]

It happens, however, to compare the Soviet tanks developed in 7x and the transfer of those in a limited series (modernization, well, the optics were twisted well, other details). Compare with the only strange one in the post-Soviet space that conducted R&D from scratch, by analogy with the same raptor (the same 11 years) and begins to accept an absolute novelty in the keyman, the lack of infrastructure and trained pilots (this is not a tank that a man from the DNR took from the military unit and such the same tanker). This is distortion and reflection. A junk tank, if you really want to draw analogies with Russia, pull up the t-72b3, t-90 *, etc., there are tens of thousands of them (including export and license)! And not 5 pieces, accept your square inferiority already ... it is clear that the denial is there at first, and so on, but you guys are sick, a direct analogy with addicts only in other forms.

[jayich]

Over a longer period of time, the numbers will be many times greater, and that in tanks, planes, ships.
There are problems in any country and in Russia in particular.
But someone whines and begs all over the world, and someone takes and does everything he can.

[Adimius38]

if we talk about numbers, then it’s not entirely correct to compare the capabilities that Ukraine has and the capabilities that Russia has. Let's better compare the capabilities of the United States and Russia, and I'm afraid that here we will be complete outsiders. Even for the portfolio of orders for military and civil aircraft. Therefore, for Ukraine, five updated tanks since the beginning of the year is normal. But one new Su-57 for Russia since the beginning of the year is not normal. So let's be more objective. And giggles and giggles are only narrow-minded people doing this. If we take into account everything else, for example, the size of the pension for pensioners and the level of prices, then we are not far from poverty-stricken Ukraine, and this is with our natural resources. Although who said that they are ours ...