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The Ministry of Defense made a decision to form airmobile battalions as part of the Airborne Forces

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The Ministry of Defense made a decision to form airmobile battalions as part of the Airborne Forces

The Russian Ministry of Defense decided to form airmobile battalions as part of units and formations of the Airborne Forces. Reported by "News" with reference to the military department.


According to the newspaper, the formation of airmobile battalions will begin next year, and the organizational and staff structure is currently being developed, as well as guidance documents for new airborne units. From 2022, an airborne battalion will appear in every airborne assault brigade and one or two in every airborne and airborne assault division. To date, there is only one such experimental unit in the 31st Airborne Brigade in Ulyanovsk.

Helicopters will become the main means of delivery for airmobile battalions, which will significantly increase the mobility of units, as well as make it possible to land on any terrain. In addition, the helicopter fleet can be located near the location of the airmobile battalion, which will positively affect the speed of response in the event of an alarm, etc.

As explained in the Ministry of Defense, the first experiments on the use of airmobile units of the Airborne Forces took place during the exercises "Center-2018" and were recognized as successful. The only thing that delays the creation of such units is the speed of construction of helicopters.

Note that a large-scale reform of the Airborne Forces began in 2019.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 24 February 2021 08: 54
    +23
    In addition, the helicopter fleet can be located near the location of the airmobile battalion, which will positively affect the speed of response in the event of an alarm, etc.
    That is, we return to what we rejected, to the experience of using Soviet troops in Afghanistan, for example.
    Well, then it does not interfere with the formation of similar subunits as part of motorized rifle divisions.
    It is also necessary to return the helicopters to the structure of the troops in full.
    1. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 24 February 2021 09: 03
      +12
      perhaps, as part of motorized rifle units, it is even better based on their deployment in the country ... this is simply a wider geography of application, which means a quicker response to calls of the situation in place ...
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 24 February 2021 09: 09
        +2
        Quote: silberwolf88
        the geography of application is wider, which means a quicker response to local situation calls ...

        it is the Airborne Forces that are the troops of high combat readiness.
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 24 February 2021 09: 14
          +10
          Quote: Flood
          it is the Airborne Forces that are the troops of high combat readiness.

          and the Strategic Missile Forces ??
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 24 February 2021 09: 18
            0
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            and the Strategic Missile Forces ??

            you're right. did not want to go into details.
            but if you insist:
            The Airborne Forces have units of the highest combat readiness in the Ground Forces.
            Although, again, I'm not sure about the subordination of the Airborne Forces.
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 24 February 2021 09: 24
              -3
              The Ministry of Defense made a decision to form airmobile battalions as part of the Airborne Forces
              the word "airmobile" if my memory serves me, from ukrov sounded .. like what? What did the landing not suit?
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 24 February 2021 09: 34
                +2
                Quote: Aerodrome
                the word "airmobile" if my memory serves me, from ukrov sounded .. like what?

                the term has long been widely used in the world
              2. Old tanker
                Old tanker 24 February 2021 10: 13
                +3
                Airmobile is from amers. the Ukrainians took from them. The Belarusians also have airmobile divisions.
              3. svp67
                svp67 24 February 2021 10: 34
                -3
                Quote: Aerodrome
                the word "airmobile" if my memory serves me, from ukrov sounded .. like what? What did the landing not suit?

                The Americans, since the Korean War, have had an "airmobile division" 101
                1. Konnick
                  Konnick 24 February 2021 10: 49
                  0
                  On VO there was an article "Why does it get funny when eagles scream? About the plans to send American paratroopers to Iraq" dated 27.01.2016/101/XNUMX about the XNUMXst division. During the Korean War, she was a landing party. She became airmobile in Vietnam.
                  From the article:

                  Then reorganization. Transfers to the reserve and back. And - Vietnam. This is where 101-I became what it is today. Airmobile division. Part of the US Army rapid reaction force. The name "airborne" remains as a tribute to the victories of the soldiers in the 2 World War II The division landed from helicopters.

                  Today, the 101 Division is the only unit in the US Army that can parachute from helicopters. The division's motto is "Rendezvous With Destiny" (Meeting with Destiny). The military slang name is Screaming Eagles. Accordingly, the 101 chevron division looks like the head of a bald eagle on a black field.

                  The division today is a combination of rapid response units. From here it has a corresponding structure. 8 airborne infantry combat regiments. A company of paratroopers with the experience of skydiving, including long with a great height. 3 Artillery Battalion. Air defense battalion. Engineering battalion. In addition, there is a private wing, consisting of transport helicopters and helicopter gunships. As well as its own aviation brigade.
                2. RMT
                  RMT 24 February 2021 12: 44
                  +2
                  The US Army 101st Airborne Division was formed on August 15, 1942 at Camp Claiborne, Louisiana, based on personnel from the US 101st Infantry Division. In November 1945 it was disbanded. Reintroduced to the US Army in 1954, she could not fight in Korea
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 24 February 2021 16: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Konnick
                    She became airmobile in Vietnam.

                    Quote: RMT
                    I couldn't fight in Korea

                    I agree, I was wrong, 11 Airborne Forces fought there and it was on it that the issues of using helicopter landings were worked out
                3. Catfish
                  Catfish 24 February 2021 20: 43
                  +1
                  These are paratroopers, they did not have turntables, and there was no question of any "coverage from above", and such a term did not yet exist.
                4. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 25 February 2021 12: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: svp67
                  Quote: Aerodrome
                  the word "airmobile" if my memory serves me, from ukrov sounded .. like what? What did the landing not suit?

                  The Americans, since the Korean War, have had an "airmobile division" 101

                  It has never been airmobile by name. The former 101st Airborne Division during the WWII, then and now the 101st Airborne Division (9 airborne troops) is part of the 18th Airborne Division, the standard AA Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division is capable of simultaneously transferring 3 airborne aircraft along with the В and ВТ in one flight with its helicopters of 9 ....
                  Apparently, someone was imbued with the thought that their own helicopter units in the Airborne Forces (airborne assault units) are necessary, maybe they will appear in the MP someday ... there, too, there is dshb ...
              4. Doliva63
                Doliva63 24 February 2021 16: 16
                +2
                Quote: Aerodrome
                The Ministry of Defense made a decision to form airmobile battalions as part of the Airborne Forces
                the word "airmobile" if my memory serves me, from ukrov sounded .. like what? What did the landing not suit?

                Ukrainians have something to do with it?
                They just copied the American term before ours laughing Horror how it is itching to imitate the West in everything. Although, in fact, these are airborne assault battalions of the USSR Armed Forces. But who dares to call it in Soviet style! laughing
            2. infantryman2020
              infantryman2020 24 February 2021 12: 45
              +3
              1) The Airborne Forces are not related to the Ground Forces. This is a separate branch of the RF Armed Forces;
              2) that's bad that the Ground Forces do not have their own airmobile formations.
          2. YOUR
            YOUR 24 February 2021 10: 01
            0
            Why compare what is not possible to compare.
          3. Petrik66
            Petrik66 24 February 2021 12: 11
            +1
            It's hard to put the Strategic Missile Forces into a helicopter)))))))
        2. svp67
          svp67 24 February 2021 09: 48
          +3
          Quote: Flood
          it is the Airborne Forces that are the troops of high combat readiness.

          The Airborne Forces is the personal reserve of the Supreme, and at the expense of high combat readiness, there are such units and subunits in the Ground Forces. Paratroopers alone cannot win a war
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 24 February 2021 09: 54
            0
            Quote: svp67
            Paratroopers alone cannot win a war

            No doubt about it.
            It's about which troops should be the most mobile.
            The answer "all" is not accepted.
            In my opinion, it is obvious that the most combat-ready.
            1. svp67
              svp67 24 February 2021 10: 14
              +1
              Quote: Flood
              In my opinion, it is obvious that the most combat-ready.

              It is.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 24 February 2021 10: 18
                0
                Quote: svp67
                It is.

                glad that we have come to a mutual agreement on this issue
        3. Old tanker
          Old tanker 24 February 2021 10: 24
          +4
          Airborne forces are deployed over considerable distances by VTA aircraft. But helicopters will also have to be transferred over considerable distances. For a long time, tediously, and eats up the resource on its own. It is more expedient to have airmobile battalions in motorized rifle units. In the 80s, helicopter squadrons were on the staff in some Soviet divisions. Just for the landing of tactical assault troops by motorized rifle landing method. Now it has acquired the fashionable name "airmobile".
          So everything new is a horolo forgotten old.
          1. svp67
            svp67 24 February 2021 10: 49
            +1
            Quote: Old Tankman
            But helicopters will also have to be transported over considerable distances.

            And now there is a direct need to equip our transport helicopters with air refueling equipment, as the Americans do.
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker 24 February 2021 11: 00
              +2
              I agree. Useful thing. But to drive helicopters thousands of kilometers on their own is not comme il faut. As if after such a run, instead of completing a combat mission, you can't get up for repairs.
              1. svp67
                svp67 24 February 2021 17: 00
                0
                Quote: Old Tankman
                But flying helicopters thousands of kilometers on their own is not comme il faut.

                Nevertheless, it is NECESSARY.
                Quote: Old Tankman
                As if after such a run, instead of completing a combat mission, you can't get up for repairs.

                And then the problem of engines immediately emerges, which splits into two problems, namely their produced quantity and resource. And then, and then it is necessary to increase. This is what is currently holding back the release of new helicopters
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker 24 February 2021 17: 26
                  +2
                  Well, so it is worth saving the resource of helicopter engines. The Airborne Forces must leave their "long arm" functions. And the landing of tactical assault forces by helicopter was used to assault the infantry, as it was until now. The only thing that needs to be done in the brigades and some regiments is to make regular airborne assault battalions (you can even call them fashionably "airmobile"), as it was in Soviet times. Now the combined arms divisions operate in close coordination with the army aviation. So, in my opinion, the Airborne Forces units should leave their functions of the operational and strategic reserve. Now the command of the Airborne Forces is rushing in all directions. Even the main tanks were included in the states. Without thinking about the issues of their transfer.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 24 February 2021 17: 28
                    0
                    Quote: Old Tankman
                    Well, so it is worth saving the resource of helicopter engines.

                    Protecting and being ready to sacrifice them at the right time are two different things.
                    1. Old tanker
                      Old tanker 24 February 2021 17: 35
                      +3
                      At the right time, in the right place, and not wasting it in thousands of kilometers.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 24 February 2021 17: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Old Tankman
                        At the right time, in the right place, and not wasting it in thousands of kilometers.

                        And not who does not say that such passes should be done every day
                      2. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 24 February 2021 17: 52
                        +1
                        One such haul is enough to get up for service instead of combat use.
                      3. svp67
                        svp67 24 February 2021 17: 53
                        -2
                        Quote: Old Tankman
                        One such haul is enough to get up for service instead of combat use.

                        So you need to demand an increase in the resource
                      4. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 24 February 2021 17: 56
                        +1
                        What resource is included in the engine, so it will be. Of course, it is possible to require iron to work longer without accidents and breakdowns, but only wear and tear will not decrease from this.
                      5. svp67
                        svp67 24 February 2021 21: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Old Tankman
                        What resource is included in the engine, so it will be.

                        But it is now lower than analogs from Motor Sich
          2. svp67
            svp67 24 February 2021 17: 32
            0
            Quote: Old Tankman
            And the landing of tactical assault forces by helicopter was used to assault the infantry, as it was until now.

            Well, the Airborne Forces, with the special forces, was also engaged in this. The issue of "vertical maneuver" is solved and so
            Quote: Old Tankman
            The only thing that needs to be done in the brigades and some regiments is to make regular airborne assault battalions (you can even call them fashionably "airmobile"), as it was in Soviet times.

            You can also return to the question of "light brigades"
            Quote: Old Tankman
            Without thinking about the issues of their transfer.

            This issue has long been resolved: "By air, sea, rail and road"
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker 24 February 2021 17: 48
              +3
              What sea and rail ?!
              The airborne assault brigade from Ussuriysk is urgently transferred to the Kuril Islands, for example. The brigade is all by planes, and a separate tank company by military transport, first by piece of iron, and then by ferry? And how long does it take to get there? Will it arrive at the place when the need for it has already disappeared? In this way, it is possible to send a company, and it is better to send a battalion of 5 detachments to Ulan-Ude.
              This is for you as an example.
              The meaning of the Airborne Forces is in mobility, which is provided by air transportation.
              The fact that all Airborne Forces units, I emphasize ALL, should be trained in operations for the landing of tactical assault forces by helicopter method - this is beyond doubt. That is why he is a landing force in order to be able to land in all available ways. But I consider it inappropriate to create specialized airborne units in the Airborne Forces structure. These should be in the infantry. There is already a positive Soviet experience in this regard. Why reject it.
              A tactical airborne assault as part of a battalion lands in the interests of the division. So why not have its own airmobile battalion as part of a motorized rifle division or brigade?
              1. svp67
                svp67 24 February 2021 18: 00
                -2
                Quote: Old Tankman
                The airborne assault brigade from Ussuriysk is urgently transferred to the Kuril Islands, for example.

                Quote: Old Tankman
                What sea ...?!

                Well ...
              2. Old tanker
                Old tanker 24 February 2021 19: 04
                +2
                Is it okay that we have only two of them in our fleet? And then one in the Baltic, the second in the Black Sea Fleet. And one takes just three of their tanks. I think that the T-72B3 will only take two.
              3. svp67
                svp67 24 February 2021 19: 24
                -1
                Quote: Old Tankman
                Is it okay that we have only two of them in the fleet?

                Nothing. The plant for their production is now with us and there is now restoring the production of KVP.
              4. Old tanker
                Old tanker 24 February 2021 20: 58
                0
                And the company must be redeployed now.
                And even if there are 4 Zubrs at the Pacific Fleet, the delivery of tanks to the Kuril Islands will take longer than an airplane flight. And before the "Zubrov" tanks still carry a piece of iron. During this time, the landing party will either win or die. And if there is also a storm, which is a very frequent occurrence in those parts, then the tanks will not reach the islands at all.
                On this I finish. Unscientific fiction is not of interest.
              5. svp67
                svp67 24 February 2021 21: 16
                -2
                Quote: Old Tankman
                And the company must be redeployed now.

                So there are no helicopters ... everything is just forming ... laughing
                Quote: Old Tankman
                And even if there are 4 Zubrs at the Pacific Fleet, the delivery of tanks to the Kuril Islands will take longer than an airplane flight.

                Only m ... there is also this ...

                With the possibility of landing on the ground or dropping from an extremely low altitude on the landing platform ...
              6. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 25 February 2021 12: 47
                -1
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Old Tankman
                And the company must be redeployed now.

                So there are no helicopters ... everything is just forming ... laughing

                No need to grin. Already in 2014, the 15th and 16th brigades were formed in the Western Military District and the North Caucasus Military District. AA, such brigades are supposed to be in each VO and a regiment in each OA ...
                As part of the RF Airborne Forces, two DShD and three DShBr. and as the author wrote:
                To date, there is only one such experimental unit in the 31st Airborne Brigade in Ulyanovsk.

                Apparently the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation refused to deploy it to the 104th Air Assault Division and decided to make at least one worthwhile airborne assault formation with standard helicopter technology ...
                With the possibility of landing on the ground or dropping from an extremely low altitude on the landing platform ...

                I read in periodicals about the combined method of landing equipment, they probably lie ...
  • SIT
    SIT 24 February 2021 23: 06
    0
    How, under the conditions of the enemy's modern air defense, will BTA aircraft find themselves in the landing area by parachute method? Even the Basmachi can, with the help of only MANPADS, overwhelm a slow-moving transport ship at any stage of the flight. To destroy the echeloned air defense system along the course of the VTA is to completely lose the element of surprise, and on the ground lightly armed troops will already be waiting for MLRS and tanks. The concept of the combat use of airmobile units is not just the transfer of troops by helicopters instead of trucks and armored personnel carriers and not even the landing of tactical assault forces by one battalion of the division. This is a new way of advancing, a new way of deploying into battle formation, most of the fire resources of such units are on fire support helicopters and ground attack aircraft. To do this, it is necessary to teach the pilots of these machines in a different way, to organize faster and more reliable digital communication channels in a new way for interacting with the command, with each other and with the infantry, which is already on the ground. Mumbling something with swearing words on the radio is not an option - the speed is not the same. In general, it is necessary to organize the command and control of troops directly in battle in a new way, taking into account their airmobility. These are years of work by everyone from the General Staff to the soldier directly in the turntable to work out what military science will develop in the field of combat use of airmobile units. And here, damn it, it turns out that there are only not enough helicopters, and everything else is already ready. So that it did not work out as with the tank corps in June 1941. To create them, they were created, but no one knew how to fight them.
    1. svp67
      svp67 26 February 2021 14: 45
      0
      Quote: SIT
      How, under the conditions of the enemy's modern air defense, will the VTA aircraft find themselves in the landing area by parachute method?

      Only when this air defense is completely or temporarily suppressed. And for this there are many means.
      1. SIT
        SIT 26 February 2021 18: 54
        0
        There are a lot of funds and they will have to be used along the entire route of BTA. After that, the parachute landing will be unexpected for the enemy? And if the factor of surprise is lost, then remember the lead in figures when shooting at a parachutist? And those who land all the same alive will be rolled into a pancake with tanks and artillery.
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 February 2021 19: 32
          0
          Quote: SIT
          There are a lot of funds and they will have to be used along the entire route of BTA.

          Yes, the corridor must be completely cleaned, otherwise the losses will be outrageous.
          Quote: SIT
          After that, the parachute landing will be unexpected for the enemy?

          It all depends on the correctness of the strikes. They must be applied massively and with military cunning. That is, so that the enemy could not understand what is happening for as long as possible, and for this it is necessary, first of all, to destroy the command and control system.
          Quote: SIT
          And those who land all the same alive will be rolled into a pancake with tanks and artillery.

          To do this, it is necessary that they would be in that area, and even in a combat-ready state, and not be hundreds of kilometers away or not be subjected to devastating air and missile strikes.
          1. SIT
            SIT 27 February 2021 16: 57
            0
            Hmm .... Tell me, what is the task of this assault force, which will be dropped hundreds of kilometers from the nearest enemy troops and for the sake of which many more of its aviation will be destroyed, which will suppress air defense? Destructive strikes by aircraft and missiles will take time, during which the enemy will figure out exactly where the corridor is being cut and take preventive counter actions.
            1. svp67
              svp67 28 February 2021 05: 07
              0
              Quote: SIT
              Tell me, what is the task of this landing,

              343.Tactical airborne assault forces are used, as a rule, in the direction of the main attack of a formation (regiment) in order to assist troops in defeating the opposing enemy; to achieve high rates of advance; prohibition (difficulty) for the enemy to maneuver with reserves; violations of command and control of troops, weapons and the work of his rear.

              344. The tasks of a tactical airborne assault can be: destruction (disabling) means of using nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, ground elements of reconnaissance and strike systems and enemy command posts; capture and retention of important lines (objects) (hydraulic structures, bridges, sections convenient for forcing and crossing, sections of the sea coast, passes, mountain passes); striking the flank and rear of the advancing enemy; the destruction (blocking) of the landed air (airmobile, sea) assault forces of the enemy and the implementation of other tasks.
              1. SIT
                SIT 28 February 2021 12: 48
                0
                Tactical airborne assault by VTA aircraft, and even by parachute? Well this is to what depth the regiment's tactical tasks are being solved, given that only the landing speed is taken as 30 km before the drop zone and the platform itself is 3X5 km ??? Maybe the tactical landing is all the same by helicopters?
              2. svp67
                svp67 28 February 2021 13: 42
                0
                Quote: SIT
                Maybe the tactical landing is all the same by helicopters?

                Yes, but there may be different ways to disembark.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 25 February 2021 12: 39
    0
    Quote: Old Tanker
    Airborne forces are deployed over considerable distances by VTA aircraft. But helicopters will also have to be transported over considerable distances.

    The Airborne Forces consist of airborne and airborne assault units, it is the latter that are prepared for action from AA helicopters ...
    In the 80s, helicopter squadrons were on the staff in some Soviet divisions. Just for the landing of tactical assault troops by motorized rifle landing method.

    The use of tactical landings, incl. with the aim of destroying the enemy's RDG, it is well shown in Soviet films about the Airborne Forces - "In the Zone of Special Attention" and "Return Move" ...
    Meanwhile, the British and American formations have established AA units.
    United Kingdom:
    in each division (MPD / BTC) an AA battalion (36 helicopters - 12 reconnaissance Gazelles and 24 multipurpose / attack Lynxes);
    in each individual BCH. company AA (12 AA helicopters, in the same proportion).
    U.S.:
    in each division (except for the 101st VShD) by Br. AA (99 helicopters);
    in each separate brigade an AA company (8 multi-purpose helicopters).
    Thus, the formations of the United States and Great Britain had an anti-tank reserve in the form of AA attack helicopters and airmobile units from among the combined arms ...

    The party and the government apparently wants to turn the current wingless airborne assault brigades into full-fledged airborne assault battalions and brigades of the times of the USSR with standard helicopter equipment with their subsequent transfer to the SV (separate brigades) and AK BS KCHF / KBF / KSF / KFl (separate battalions) ....

    And as the author said:
    The only thing that delays the creation of such units is the speed of construction of helicopters.
  • nonsense
    nonsense 24 February 2021 11: 56
    0
    lol And what prevents all the rest (motorized rifle, tank, etc.) troops from making these very "high combat readiness" troops?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 24 February 2021 12: 51
      -1
      Quote: nespich
      And what prevents all the rest (motorized rifle, tank, etc.) troops from making these very "high combat readiness" troops?

      this only happens in Wishlist
      Even in one small country in the Middle East, where defense is one of the top government issues, this is not the task.
      Because it is neither necessary nor justified.
    2. svp67
      svp67 24 February 2021 17: 36
      +1
      Quote: nespich
      And what prevents all the rest (motorized rifle, tank, etc.) troops from making these very "high combat readiness" troops?

      And their composition is already full of such parts.
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 24 February 2021 17: 58
        0
        Since the time of Serdyukov, we have all units of constant readiness. There are no parts of the frame and no reduced staff.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 24 February 2021 13: 05
    +1
    For paratroopers, half of the training hours are spent on parachute training, and in order to disembark from a helicopter, parachute training is not required and it is possible to concentrate training specifically on combat, just infantry units, only taking into account combat operations in isolation from the main forces.
  • dauria
    dauria 24 February 2021 09: 39
    +5
    Well, then it does not interfere with the formation of similar subunits as part of motorized rifle divisions.


    Have the OVE operational subordination of motorized rifle divisions gone somewhere?
    There was army aviation as part of the combined arms army, there were mixed helicopter squadrons (Mi-8, Mi-24), and regiments of the SU-25. The infantry had its own aircraft. Not the district (front), but the army. Already a company in one sortie OVE could transfer and support with fire. Have they ruined everything? Where have small airfields with a railway branch gone next to any division in any wilderness?
    In Afghanistan, it was not the airborne forces who were parachuted, but the usual "red-runners". And it's okay. Even better, it's real infantry.
    1. svp67
      svp67 24 February 2021 10: 15
      +1
      Quote: dauria
      Not the district (front), but the army.

      Yes, that there were armies in their divisions with helicopter squadrons.
      1. dauria
        dauria 24 February 2021 10: 24
        +2
        Yes, that there were armies in their divisions with helicopter squadrons.

        So that's what I wrote. Only the subordination of the OVE division was operational. The divisional commander, although he could stick his nose (we live together), but not too much and not in everything. And so it was the Air Force headquarters for the combined arms army (not the district).
    2. Old tanker
      Old tanker 24 February 2021 10: 27
      +1
      there were mixed helicopter squadrons (Mi-8, Mi-24), regiments of the SU-25. The infantry had its own aircraft. Not the district (front), but the army. Already a company in one sortie OVE could transfer and support with fire. Have they ruined everything? Where have small airfields with a railway branch gone next to any division in any wilderness?

      Eco you remembered!
      In the collapse of the army in the 90s, all this was eliminated.
    3. svp67
      svp67 24 February 2021 10: 52
      0
      Quote: dauria
      Have the OVE operational subordination of motorized rifle divisions gone somewhere?

      They were disbanded long ago. "As unnecessary", like the divisions, but the divisions began to be restored, and at the expense of individual helicopter squadrons, they are still silent, although part of their work, reconnaissance, adjustments, electronic warfare was taken over by UAV units
    4. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 24 February 2021 13: 17
      +1
      So in the reconnaissance battles of the divisions one company was the reconnaissance landing ...
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 24 February 2021 16: 56
        +1
        Quote: VIK1711
        So in the reconnaissance battles of the divisions one company was the reconnaissance landing ...

        This company was "sharpened" for reconnaissance more than for anything else, the heaviest weapon - RPG, personnel of about 80 people, although sometimes it was not used for its intended purpose. In general, it does not count.
      2. Old tanker
        Old tanker 24 February 2021 17: 57
        +1
        Reconnaissance landing, not airborne assault (airmobile).
  • Intruder
    Intruder 24 February 2021 09: 58
    -2
    return helicopters to the structure of the troops in full.
    to return something, you first need to build it, and to build it .... and so on down the list! And so far, not very much, especially with the new versions for airmobile ... (outdated "tadpoles" and "plywood names" do not count, with some upgrades of the old versions of transport and assault vehicles), specifically with engines for this ...!?
    1. dauria
      dauria 24 February 2021 10: 45
      +4
      outdated "tadpoles" and "plywood names" do not count,


      Outdated Mi-8 - why are you afraid? What needs to be changed in order to become better? Engines - so apart from turboshaft they did not come up with anything, there is no gravitational machine. Electronics? Change, no one bothers. And changed before. Blades? Who forbids ... Maybe the size? So 11 tons is just right. The Mi-6 was removed. Between 8 and 26, something would be nice, but it doesn't burn. A tiltrotor is not a helicopter, but a VTOL aircraft. He will not cope with everything, although he is fast and flies further. And we do not blind him now.
      So the "eight" is like an ax. What a hundred years ago, what now. Try to "improve" if the chainsaw is not invented.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 24 February 2021 10: 53
        0
        So the "eight" is like an ax. What a hundred years ago, what now. Try to "improve" if you can't think of a chainsaw.
        I do not argue about the ax ... wink
        Outdated Mi-8 - this is with what a fright
        "Tadpole", as well as "crocodile" is a respected machine by all and with a gigantic real combat experience, there is also no question here, but you always have to look to tomorrow, and there are already slightly different realities peeping around the corner !? Tiltroplanes are not quite a classic scheme that in rotorcraft, that in the VTOL area, more precisely, it gives a little irrationality in its complexity, so little ...!?
      2. Grits
        Grits 24 February 2021 15: 14
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        Between 8 and 26, something would be nice, but it doesn't burn.

        No, the Mi-38 will be finished.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 24 February 2021 20: 38
    +2
    Before August, all this was done by the staff in Vietnam, in 1965 the 1st Airmobile Division appeared in the American army, so we did not invent this "bicycle".
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 25 February 2021 19: 10
      +1
      Hi Konstantin!
      She's 1st Cavalry?

      1. Catfish
        Catfish 25 February 2021 19: 17
        +1
        So they called themselves "Air Cavalry". There is a very good film with Mel Gibson "We Were Soldiers" about the real events of the Vietnam War.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 25 February 2021 20: 07
          +1
          I didn’t look, alas! And the car in the picture, is it really familiar? The trophy! laughing
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 25 February 2021 20: 12
            +2
            Gaz-63 is an all-wheel drive version of Gaz-51, and his father is a Studebaker. smile
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 February 2021 08: 57
    +3
    I was surprised that we don't have such ones yet ... Having such "flying infantry fighting vehicles" as "crocodile" (Mi 24 and its new versions) and not having units using them on an ongoing basis is not logical ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 24 February 2021 10: 20
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I was surprised that we don't have such people yet ...

      Yes there are and were, here is somewhat different. Suffice it to recall 2014, here it is a classic tactical helicopter landing

      But, in order to land such an assault force, one must ensure for oneself complete air superiority in the flight zone of such an assault force, and for this it is necessary to have the appropriate reconnaissance and strike capabilities
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 24 February 2021 08: 58
    +4
    The only thing that delays the creation of such units is the speed of construction of helicopters.

    You know who to bow down to for this.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 24 February 2021 09: 09
      +3
      Quote: NDR-791
      You know who to bow down to for this.

      Who put him there? Is he alone there, "so beautiful" or what? All our "effective managers" are like that, more and more they develop their own pockets.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 24 February 2021 09: 11
      -1
      Quote: NDR-791
      You know who to bow down for this

      adherents of the Serdyukov sect do not agree with you))
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 24 February 2021 09: 12
        +1
        adherents of the Serdyukov sect disagree with you
        Already started to feel wassat wassat wassat
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 February 2021 09: 20
          +10
          what Those. was everything fine with helicopters in Russia before 2019?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 24 February 2021 09: 24
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            Those. was everything fine with helicopters in Russia before 2019?

            If you do not take into account the period at the head of the MO?
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 24 February 2021 09: 26
              +7
              Quote: Flood
              If you do not take into account the period at the head of the MO?

              Well, let's take this period too! While talking about helicopters!
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 24 February 2021 09: 33
                0
                Quote: Serg65
                While talking about helicopters!

                customer MO
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 24 February 2021 09: 41
                  +6
                  Quote: Flood
                  customer MO

                  Shoigu said that all the planes and helicopters, according to the plan for 2020, the Ministry of Defense received ... somehow your data does not fit with Shoigu ...
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 24 February 2021 09: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Shoigu said that all the planes and helicopters, according to the plan for 2020, the Ministry of Defense received ... somehow your data does not fit with Shoigu ...

                    1. I do not report to Kuzhugetovich. I have my own opinion, which may not "knit" or "knit"
                    2. Shoigu in this case is inclined to believe
                    3. Does this mean that under Serdyukov "the Defense Ministry received planes and helicopters according to the plan"? Not
                    4. Does this mean that under Serdyukov, the necessary amount of la was contracted for the army? Again, no.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 24 February 2021 10: 06
                      +8
                      Quote: Flood
                      Does this mean that under Serdyukov "the Defense Ministry received planes and helicopters according to the plan"? Not

                      what So Kuzhugetovich is lying all the same?
                      Quote: Flood
                      Does this mean that under Serdyukov, the necessary amount of la was contracted for the army? Again, no.

                      what Serdyukov determines the number of aircraft required for the army?
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 February 2021 10: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        So Kuzhugetovich is lying all the same?

                        You yourself wrote, received, what was planned.
                        It is impossible to supply the troops with all the necessary equipment at a time.
                        There are production, financial and logistic limitations to this.
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Serdyukov determines the number of aircraft required for the army?

                        the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, which he headed in 2007-2012.
                        Am I really so incomprehensible expounding my thoughts?
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 24 February 2021 11: 08
                        +5
                        Quote: Flood
                        It is impossible to supply the troops with all the necessary equipment at a time.

                        I agree. Shoigu has been at the head of the Ministry of Defense for 7 years, the last 3-4 years Rostec (not a UAC!), As far as I know, is fulfilling the plan for state orders on time. 7 years Kuzhugetovich at the helm, a logical question ... what does Serdyukov have to do with it? Serdyukov's task was not to destroy the Army, but to cleanse the Augean stable called "Army"! Do you think there is a difference between the army of 2008 and the army of 2014?
                      3. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 February 2021 11: 31
                        +1
                        Let's not indulge in polemics about Serdyukov's role in the country's defense capability. The topic has set the teeth on edge.
                      4. Serg65
                        Serg65 24 February 2021 12: 29
                        +4
                        Quote: Flood
                        Let's not

                        So I did not start.
                      5. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 February 2021 12: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        This is not how I started

                        To be fair, go up the branch and make sure that it was not me who raised the topic of Serdyukov's professional suitability.
                      6. Serg65
                        Serg65 24 February 2021 14: 11
                        +3
                        Quote: Flood
                        In fairness

                        Quote: NDR-791
                        You know who to bow down to for this.

                        Quote: Flood
                        adherents of the Serdyukov sect do not agree with you))

                        laughing In all fairness, I'm definitely not!
                      7. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 February 2021 14: 17
                        -1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        In all fairness, I'm definitely not!

                        took care of the safety of a colleague, warning about possible consequences
                        and only that
                        this is definitely not about Serdyukov's successes in the field of national defense
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 24 February 2021 09: 24
    0
    In any case, our helicopter repair service worked every day
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 24 February 2021 09: 26
      +6
      Quote: NDR-791
      In any case, our helicopter repair service worked every day

      Not working right now?
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 24 February 2021 09: 30
        +1
        It works on call, as it arrives, so to speak. And there are almost no receipts
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 24 February 2021 09: 42
          +7
          Quote: NDR-791
          It works on call, as it arrives, so to speak. And there are almost no receipts

          Those. there is nothing to repair yet .... is it good or bad?
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 24 February 2021 09: 46
            0
            Those. there is nothing to repair yet .... is it good or bad?
            This does not mean that the cars suddenly became new, it means that the old ones "landed". The question is why?
  • Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 24 February 2021 09: 26
    -4
    Quote: NDR-791
    You know who to bow down to for this.

    Yes, not ... here "activity" that the monument to Storetkin is exhausted as they want to stick it in ... the savior of our army ... who organized the army genocide.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 24 February 2021 10: 00
    -2
    You know who to bow down to for this.
    maybe better, just a rope on a birch branch - yes, higher ...!?
  • svp67
    svp67 24 February 2021 17: 04
    0
    Quote: NDR-791
    You know who to bow down to for this.

    I do not have "warm feelings" for this person, but the truth is different. What is holding back the production of helicopters now? Serdyukov? Not. The lack of funding is also constrained by the problem of engines, the number of which is produced does not provide such an increase in the production of helicopters and, of course, their resource.
  • silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 24 February 2021 09: 01
    -1
    the initiative is good ... BUT there are nuances
    where they should be deployed (how far from likely areas of use) ...
    issues of transfer to the theater of operations how to solve ... personnel okay with military transport ... and how about helicopters? (I mean operational transfers over distances of over 3-5 thousand km, including to areas of interests of the state of different types, Syria / Cuba / Africa is different there, etc.) ...
    and it is clear that these units are not geared towards the use of technology ... max support for mortars ...
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 24 February 2021 09: 28
      0
      The first US air mobile unit was created in 1965, when the intervention in Vietnam began, and units were needed that could be quickly airlifted to a remote war zone by transport aircraft. Accordingly, such formations were armed with weapons and equipment adapted for transportation by aviation, moreover, reduced in number. The combat capability of such units was reduced in comparison with the traditional infantry, but sufficient to fight the guerrilla units of the Viet Cong. These airborne units became the backbone of the rapid reaction force.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 24 February 2021 10: 04
      0
      Syria / Cuba / Africa is different there, etc.)
      and for this there is a very necessary class of ships, namely for the transfer of a helicopter fleet and other various "things" necessary for airmobile ... but in the past, we "lovers of wine and frogs" did not bother to build and sell them honestly! request
  • rocket757
    rocket757 24 February 2021 09: 03
    0
    Note that a large-scale reform of the Airborne Forces began in 2019.

    How to look ...
    I hope that the new is the best, it will not turn out to be the enemy of the old, proven.
    1. prior
      prior 24 February 2021 09: 47
      +2
      Most importantly, what a great idea! Deliver troops by helicopters!
      Great idea. It has been 100 years since the creation of helicopters. And finally, it dawned on someone. Probably, the generator of such a brilliant idea will be given a medal or order. lol laughing fellow
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 February 2021 09: 58
        0
        And what, our young / advanced people very much like to read textbooks and other documents, what to the wisdom of the previous generations of commanders .... to join?
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 24 February 2021 11: 00
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          And what, our young / advanced people very much like to read textbooks and other documents, what to the wisdom of the previous generations of commanders .... to join?

          Aren't you subjecting our Soviet past to every kind of obstruction?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 February 2021 11: 14
            +1
            WHERE? Show .... get a prize!
            1. Aerodrome
              Aerodrome 24 February 2021 11: 22
              -1
              Quote: rocket757
              WHERE? Show .... get a prize!

              I'm old and lazy ... but my memory is good. (What prize? "For" curvazier "or" Henessy "I rummage at my leisure ...)
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 24 February 2021 11: 24
                0
                Excuse ..... not interesting.
                1. Aerodrome
                  Aerodrome 24 February 2021 11: 38
                  -2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Excuse ..... not interesting.

                  expensive ?
                  1. Aerodrome
                    Aerodrome 24 February 2021 12: 23
                    0
                    Quote: Aerodrome
                    Quote: rocket757
                    Excuse ..... not interesting.

                    expensive ?

                    stinking miser? wassat but I rummage however ...
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 24 February 2021 10: 05
        -1
        Probably, the generator of such a brilliant idea will be given a medal or an order
        posthumously, in 20 years !? winked
      3. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 24 February 2021 10: 52
        0
        Quote: prior
        Great idea. FROM

        this is genius ! good
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 24 February 2021 09: 10
    0
    The only thing that delays the creation of such units is the speed of construction of helicopters.

    Either they have no orders, then they do not have time to build!
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 February 2021 09: 27
      -2
      Quote: Cowbra
      The only thing that delays the creation of such units is the speed of construction of helicopters.

      Either they have no orders, then they do not have time to build!

      there are, as they say, "nuances".
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 24 February 2021 17: 07
      +1
      Quote: Cowbra
      The only thing that delays the creation of such units is the speed of construction of helicopters.

      Either they have no orders, then they do not have time to build!

      Aha, here and understand, who hangs noodles on ears! laughing
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 24 February 2021 09: 10
    -1
    The campaign was calculated that the industry will be able to increase the construction of new helicopters. Good news.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 24 February 2021 09: 29
      -1
      Quote: Svetlana
      The hike is calculated

      it would be better "calculated" ... from "good news" the brain swells ... on the exhaust a little.
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 24 February 2021 09: 59
        0
        First, it was necessary to establish the production of helicopter motors in Russia, and this was done. The second stage is the creation of the machines themselves and deployment.
        wax units needing these machines.
        If you would like it all to be yesterday, then these are just your wishes and nothing more.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 24 February 2021 11: 02
          -1
          Quote: Svetlana
          First, it was necessary to establish the production of helicopter motors in Russia, and this was done. The second stage is the creation of the machines themselves and deployment.
          wax units needing these machines.
          If you would like it all to be yesterday, then these are just your wishes and nothing more.

          stage stretched for a quarter of a century ... abnormally ... as for marine engines ... the blind are in power - alas ... it looks like yes .... believe in them = your problems.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 24 February 2021 12: 48
    0
    In Gromov's memoirs, I read about the use of conventional motorized riflemen as airborne assault units in the 40th Army in Afghanistan with airborne assault from helicopters, it seems that this method has worked well, it is bad that our positive experience is rarely analyzed, changes are not often made to the combat regulations
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 24 February 2021 17: 20
      +1
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      In Gromov's memoirs, I read about the use of conventional motorized riflemen as airborne assault units in the 40th Army in Afghanistan with airborne assault from helicopters, it seems that this method has worked well, it is bad that our positive experience is rarely analyzed, changes are not often made to the combat regulations

      The townsfolk got used to it that the landing is the Airborne Forces, and meanwhile, the infantry from helicopters or landing aircraft is also a landing, and this was spelled out long before Afghanistan. And the experience in the army is always analyzed, in the General Staff of the Union there was such a group of specialists who followed this. We have a teacher of the History of Military Art, he was from there, he told a lot of interesting things. I suspect that under capitalism everything was lost.
  • RitaNik
    RitaNik 24 February 2021 13: 07
    +3
    "The only thing that delays the creation of such units is the speed of construction of helicopters."

    The only thing? Are there enough pilots and technical staff? How many military schools are left that graduate pilots and flight technicians?
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 25 February 2021 11: 44
      +1
      So it seems that one Syzran remains. hi
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 February 2021 11: 38
    +1
    When they began to disband helicopter schools and reduce army aviation to a sober head, he swore at a multi-storey level. I could not understand what THEY were thinking. With our territories, with our geography and with a reduced army without the khan's turntables. Has it finally reached THEM?
  • grumbler
    grumbler 6 March 2021 15: 08
    0
    The Airborne Forces are, one might say, "light cavalry" - their trump card is lightness, surprise, and boldness.
    But it is precisely because of their lightness that they cannot hold on for a long time, opposing motorized infantry supported by artillery, tanks and aircraft. The time gap between the "dagger" strike of the Airborne Forces and the approach of its heavily armed forces may turn out to be too large and therefore fatal (which has happened more than once in the history of parachutists). Perhaps, in order to close this temporary and functional gap, some "dragoons" are needed? Heavier "hussar" -VDV, but lighter than "cuirassiers" -motorized infantry.

    Ideally, modern infantry should be "multi-mobile". They put her in trucks / armored cars - they are "motorized infantry". On landing ships / boats / barges / hovercraft - she is the "marines". For airplanes / helicopters - "airmobile". But this requires unification of everything between "land, water and air" (weapon standards, fasteners, containers, doorways / hatches, connectors and fittings, etc. - so that everything can go through and fit everywhere and everything dock completely). Reorganize interaction on the principles of "modularity" and "shared resources". This kind of work has been done for more than one day, it must be introduced in stages. Interesting to compare with:
    https://topwar.ru/163773-rossijskuju-morskuju-pehotu-reformirujut-v-jekspedicionnye-vojska-rossii.html
    A new concept for the use of the Marine Corps comes down to the fact that they must be ready to act independently anywhere in the world where the Navy will deliver them.

    where the words: "... where the navy will take them" is very easy to convert into "... where the aviation will take them".
    So from the updated motorized infantry, marines and airmobile forces, over time, some unified "mobile forces" may grow, which will be able to operate from wheels / water / air.

    The fact that "airmobiles" are being created as part of the Airborne Forces is logical - the Airborne Forces have experience in airborne landing, methods have been worked out, training has been set, security is at the proper level, competent sergeants (it seems that professional sergeants were trained on the basis of the Airborne Forces).