American Mars rover Perseverance makes a successful landing on the surface of the Red Planet

The American Mars mission, which reached the Red Planet, landed safely on the surface of Mars on Thursday. It is reported by the US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).

The unmanned station that landed includes the Perseverance rover, equipped with a special Ingenuity helicopter. The landing was carried out at 23:55 Moscow time. time. in the vicinity of the Yesero crater on the equator of Mars, about three minutes later the device transmitted the first two black-and-white images of the planet's surface to Earth.

We've just received information that Perseverance is active on the surface of Mars.

- stated in NASA.

The United States sent the rover to the Red Planet on July 30, 2020, with the Atlas V launch vehicle launched from the Cape Canaveral launch site.

The rover itself is a six-wheeled science laboratory the size of a small car, which cost about $ 2,5 billion to create. Dimensions: length - about 3 m excluding the mechanical manipulator arm, width - 2,7 m, height - 2,2 m. The rover's weight is 1 kg.

The device is equipped with seven scientific instruments and an Ingenuity helicopter capable of making five short-term flights at an altitude of about 10 meters. The main task of this mission is to collect and study the properties of sedimentary rocks in order to search for microorganisms that prove the existence of life on the Red Planet in the past.

Comments

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

At the same time, Roscosmos is selling "Let's go", sadly

[Civil]

Full landing video.
Hello Rogozin and his star cruiser at the lunar base.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Civil

Full landing video.

2 hours of anxious American faces and some cartoons is this a "landing video" ?!

[Observer2014]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Civil

Full landing video.

2 hours of anxious American faces and some cartoons is this a "landing video" ?!

You are so burning with hatred for American successes. Tell me, you probably don't touch anything related to America? Such a hyper-patriot in a linen shirt, with a bucket by the well and bast shoes made of natural birch bark. True, not a task. You print patriotic speeches through American Windows and the Internet (also an American invention) Well, what about the video. For example, it is interesting for me to see. I will look with pleasure and ours. If the same news or similar can be removed. In the meantime, we will be happy for the study of space with those who study it in practice. With the Americans, the Chinese ... Yes, for anyone with pleasure. we will observe.

[Civil]

In the meantime, let's rejoice for the study of space with those who study it in practice, with the Americans, the Chinese ...

There is also a new Arab station in orbit ...

[Blackmokona]

Which was developed and built by the United States, and delivered into orbit by the Japanese

[Cosm22]

Well, let's write it down - built by the USA, delivered by the Japanese.
Will this somehow contribute to the success of Russia in the exploration of Mars?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Observer2014

You are so burning with hatred for American successes. Tell me, you probably don't touch anything related to America? laughing Such a hyper-patriot in a linen shirt. With a bucket by the well and bast shoes made of natural birch bark. True, not a task. You print patriotic speeches through the American Windows and the Internet (also an American invention) wassat Well, what about the video. For example, it is interesting for me to see.

Is there a video of the actual landing? And what about Windows, you can cut the power wires to your computer, because they undoubtedly come from a Soviet-built power plant.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Is there a video of the actual landing?

There the cameraman Martian was supposed to film the landing for Mars News?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

after all, they undoubtedly come from a Soviet-built power plant.

Like this? Did your "Master of Toilet Brushes" say that the USSR did not produce anything except galoshes? Do not equate the current RF and the USSR, do not make this gross logical mistake.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Your "Master of Toilet Brushes" said that the USSR did not produce anything except galoshes

The toilet brush is your prerogative, yours and the master. As for Putin, (are you talking about him?), He is the leader of my country, not the lousy one.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Do not equate the current RF and the USSR, do not make this gross logical mistake.

Where are you broadcasting from?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: aleksejkabanets
Do not equate the current RF and the USSR, do not make this gross logical mistake.
Where are you broadcasting from?

What can you refute? The USSR and the Russian Federation are antagonistic states. The current RF, parasitizes on the wreckage of the USSR, not forgetting to spit on it at the same time. Built by the ideological heirs of Vlasov and Krasnov.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

As for Putin, (are you talking about him?), He is the leader of my country, not the lousy one.

Only he protects not the interests of the people, but the interests of the Potanins, Chubais, Grefs and others like them.

[lucul]

You burn so much with hatred for American success.

And you to the Russian.
An ardent defender of American democracy.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Space cannot be American, Russian or Chinese. This is the property and conquest of ALL humanity. And I am frankly glad when grains of information reach us. It does not matter who collected.
So I'm just glad of this landing.

[Ros 56]

And how we are all happy with the flight of the striped ones to the moon in the last century, words cannot describe them at all, some interjections.

[slipped]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

And I am frankly glad when grains of information reach us. It does not matter who collected.

Well, for four years now, our ExoMars mission, together with the Europeans, has been taking place in Mars orbit, the TGO probe takes beautiful photos of Mars, here is another picture:

This fake-color image of Moni's Martian Crater shows impressive color contrasts that reflect compositional differences and are visible through color filters.

At the rim of the crater, dark blue basaltic sand covers lighter bluish outcrops of bedrock (possibly low calcium pyroxene). The yellowish material present in and around the crater is the characteristic Martian iron oxide dust that appears slightly reddish in true color. On the walls of the crater, small ravines are visible, trapping basalt sand.

[Hypertension]

Quote: slipped

This fake-color image of Moni's Martian Crater shows impressive color contrasts that reflect compositional differences and are visible through color filters.

In the first seconds my pareidolia showed: Lenin!

[APASUS]

Quote: Observer2014

You print patriotic speeches through American Windows and the Internet (also an American invention)

Well licked, so licked!
Now the whole world should believe the Americans to the death of their lives, on the basis of the fact that they invented Windows?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: APASUS

based on the fact that they invented Windows?

I do not like Windows, go to linux, what's the problem?

[APASUS]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: APASUS

based on the fact that they invented Windows?

I do not like Windows, go to linux, what's the problem?

Whether I like Windows or not, I now have to pray for the Americans for this invention?

[MrFox]

In this context, "like" is written without a soft sign. In the USSR, they also taught this.

Linux of American origin, Linus will not let you lie

[Antidote]

Linux is also based on American UNIX. Only wooden abacus can correct the situation.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Antidote

Linux is also based on American UNIX. Only wooden abacus can correct the situation.

Almost all linux distributions are open source. "In 1983, Richard Stallman announced the GNU Project, an attempt to create a free Unix-like operating system from scratch, without using the original source code." From Vicki. A short article on Habré: https://habr.com/ru/sandbox/26545/

[The eye of the crying]

Linux (Linux kernel) is written from scratch. This has already been proven even in an American court.

[UserGun]

Utilities from UNIX are either ported or rewritten in Linux, for which they rank it as .nix systems. Linux is far from the first open source system.

[UserGun]

By the way, too, American for the most part)))

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: UserGun

By the way, too, mostly American

Justify. This is GNU, it is above the state, or outside the state, as you like.

[UserGun]

I find it funny when operating systems are classified as state ones))) For some reason, only in the Russian Federation they can! ))) No, seriously))) No OS has ever been announced, American, English, German, Finnish, etc, including Windows, MacOS, Atari, UNIX, VxWorx, CP-M, MsDOS, OS / 2. Of course, they may belong to someone (a company, an educational institution, just a private person), but not a single one, simply falling apart, m @ dak, including the creators, classifies them as state or national! ))) Well, to the question of linux distributions (sorry, but even their creators do not call distributions an operating system, read at your leisure that there is a distribution, this is useful) And it is far from a secret, but the main distributions, such as Debian, Gentoo, Red Hat was created by American programmers. Everything else is just forks. It's funny, but now the forks of forked forks based on the Linux (TM) kernel in the Russian Federation are declared STATE or NATIONAL))) It is necessary to get to this point .... Shame from such "statehood" and the same "patriotic" stupid excuses!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: UserGun

in the Russian Federation are declared STATE or NATIONAL))) It is necessary to come to this .... It's a shame from such "statehood"

The shame is that they are also paid, for legal entities, at least. I do not remember this hour distr. And all the same inherited from distros with the GNU license.)))))

Quote: UserGun

No OS ever announced, American, English, German .....

This is true, but I am a principled opponent of closed source products.

Quote: UserGun

Well, to the question about linux distributions

I understand that, I just wrote to make it clearer.

[UserGun]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The shame is that they are also paid, for legal entities, at least.

Nothing to be ashamed of, do not want, do not take. You make money on their software, which means they will take money from you. You pay for your work with money for this, this, and so on?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And all the same inherited from distros with the GNU license.)))))

Well, there is not only the GNU GPL, there are Apache and BSD and others ... But all this is not important, it is important that the STATE in this case is a banal thief and a cheap muddling, declaring the OS "state" and "national". Such "figures" will go far.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

This is true, but I am a principled opponent of closed source products.

What's so bad about closed source code? Do you think there are no pitfalls in open source? You are cruelly mistaken.

[The eye of the crying]

It is supranational, but written mostly by Americans. And Linux (OS, not just the kernel) - mostly by American corporations. Although both can be freely used by anyone.

[Proxima]

Quote: Observer2014

In the meantime, we will rejoice for the study of space with those who study it in practice. With the Americans, the Chinese ... Yes, we will be happy to observe anyone.

As for the Martian programs, it is too early to rejoice for the Chinese. Well, the Celestial Empire has no luck with missions to the Red Planet! Conversely, let's be glad for the Indians. Their apparatus "Mangalyan" worked perfectly in the near-Martian orbit. As for us - SHAME !!!! Soon we will rejoice at the success of Honduras and Burkina Faso! Hello to cheap balabol Rogozin!

[cmax]

Quote: Proxima

Quote: Observer2014

In the meantime, we will rejoice for the study of space with those who study it in practice. With the Americans, the Chinese ... Yes, we will be happy to observe anyone.

As for the Martian programs, it is too early to rejoice for the Chinese. Well, the Celestial Empire has no luck with missions to the Red Planet! Conversely, let's be glad for the Indians. Their apparatus "Mangalyan" worked perfectly in the near-Martian orbit. As for us - SHAME !!!! Soon we will rejoice at the success of Honduras and Burkina Faso! Hello to cheap balabol Rogozin!

It's not even cheap at all! A very wealthy person. Will in the country (a couple of thousand square meters) after a while write about the trampoline and other memories such as memoirs to write. But seriously, he worked in the VSUE in Moscow, where the drivers, mechanics, and the chiefs of the convoy, who pulled the main job on themselves, received a penny in comparison with the "effective" managers in the Central Office. Therefore, there is a lot of turnover at the bottom, professionalism is not in honor, the main thing is the hanging tongue and the ability of managers to save money (200 new tractor units were bought for maintenance, and only half of the money was allocated for maintenance) and so on in everything. But the premiums were written out for themselves wow. So in Roskosmos, who will work there for 30-50 thousand rubles and collect and invent something new for this money. There are no personnel, no new ideas, no money, even Soviet-era technology no longer flies, docks in manual mode (the last flight of Progress), and that is, high-ranking and highly paid leadership.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Observer2014

You are so burning with hatred for American successes. Tell me, you probably don’t touch anything connected with America? ... In the meantime, we will rejoice for the study of space with those who study it in practice. With the Americans, the Chinese ... Yes, for with pleasure we will watch.

In this sense, our "First Channel" presented the news in an interesting way.

They say that a certain device "Perseverance", whose affiliation is not specified, landed on Mars ... BUT it is specified that the results of research of this mission will have to wait 10 years.
Rogozin, even after this news, apparently should scratch his turnips.

[FrankyStein]

And you are burning with stupidity. If the creator of the ray tube had advice, then the gringos didn't even have the right to pour shit on advice through the TV? Or when the union was the first to launch a satellite, and then a person, the gringos admired and rejoiced for the success of all mankind? Aha shchaz straight, they blazed with a nuclear flame.

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

Did you write Zvorykin into the Bolsheviks?
The flexibility of patriotic thinking never ceases to amaze.

[Nick rex]

But the previous speaker is right. I also did not see the rover landing.
mb you should give the correct description

[Cynic]

Quote: Observer2014

to American success

Let’s call a spade a spade, if you are for accuracy: Success of NASA (USA), by the way, one of the most successful federal projects. Experts from all over the world work, and the result is NASA.
Yes, even

Quote: Observer2014

internet (also an American invention

Thanks cheered ...

[mojohed2012]

Exactly. This is from the same series as how effectively the not yet existing American hypersonic missiles will destroy enemies in cartoons.
In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?
Otherwise we remember the flights to the moon and landing on it (remembering the skeptics and a bunch of evidence), Kubrick's confessions, as well as the fact that the Saturn rocket suddenly disappeared - disappeared and for decades the United States has been unable, in principle, to develop a rocket and a ship that would be capable of would repeat "flights to the moon and the landing of people on it."
They respect Hollywood and its products ...

[Observer2014]

In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?

Well, confirm. If you can. Who's stopping you from doing this? Forward. Just a couple of billion of hated American money and you will have an automatic station in Mars orbit instead of a yacht and a palace. What is the problem? Where can you deny or confirm the American news from NASA.

[stalki]

Exactly. This is from the same series as how effectively the not yet existing American hypersonic missiles will destroy enemies in cartoons.
In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?
Otherwise we remember the flights to the moon and landing on it (remembering the skeptics and a bunch of evidence), Kubrick's confessions, as well as the fact that the Saturn rocket suddenly disappeared - disappeared and for decades the United States has been unable, in principle, to develop a rocket and a ship that would be capable of would repeat "flights to the moon and the landing of people on it."
They respect Hollywood and its products ...

Come on. They flew to the moon. Materials confirming this are fully in the public domain. And we could fly there, we had a similar rocket, and it would be guaranteed to fly. The history of the issue has never been hidden. And I have no doubt that the Americans have successfully landed the rover. You should not waste your nerves on people who in every possible way belittle the dignity of our country, our people and our potential. This is a kind of natural selection process in today's mediocre society. The closer you are to the trend and to the opinion of the majority, the easier it is to live, like success is guaranteed. Evolution is such a tricky thing, sometimes it gets scary

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: stalki

Come on. They flew to the moon. Materials confirming this are fully freely available

As well as materials refuting it.

[mojohed2012]

From the video posted in the comments, in fact, nothing can be seen from the fact that the device from the United States has successfully "parted" and is functioning.
And the belief in the landing or non-landing of the Americans on the moon is individual.
This is how anyone likes it.

[donavi49]

He sends pictures. in the same place the Internet is weak.

[Ros 56]

Do not tell for an hour, but where did all this equipment go from the striped ones, that they have been purchasing our engines for so many years? And the funny thing is, they cannot copy our engine, well, a stone flower does not come out. But Apollo flew to the Union, I remember that perfectly, 1975.

[donavi49]

Why copy the engine? They decided that it was a dead end and it really was a dead end.

They have their own SLS super-heavy engines - we are waiting for re-assembly tests. The past seems to have failed with an emergency shutdown due to software bugs (Boeing).
They have their own engines for the world's most expensive rocket today, the Delta Heavy.
They have their own engines for the usual Delta4.
They have the most flying rocket in the world - Falcon9, again on their engines.
They have a BE-4 methane engine for ULA's new medium-heavy rocket, the Vulcan Centaur. Actually, they initially chose not to copy for Atlas, but to create a new launch vehicle with a new fuel pair (methane), which will be relevant until the 40-50s.
They have a popular small rocket that flies regularly, on their engines - Electron.
They have a bunch of privateers from Branson with air start to Fireflies from 1t to high.

What are they buying?
Engines for Antares launch vehicle - it will fly to the ISS tomorrow. But the rocket almost does not fly (1-2 launches per year) - because it is expensive, only by CRS taxpayers and NASA redeems them. And there they try to throw Antares off the budget every extension, actually burying the rocket.

Engines for Atlas5 - they buy it for scientific missions and government orders. For it is also expensive. The number of launches was reduced, and sometimes 2-3 rockets were launched per year. In 2020 - 5 including 2 AMS - a rover and a Solar Orbiter, one launch was with the X-37B shuttle, 2 with military satellites for the NRO and the Air Force.

[lucul]

And the funny thing is, they cannot copy our engine, well, a stone flower does not come out.

To copy, you need advanced materials science.
The USSR copied a German jet engine in 1 year. And the Rolls-Royce Nin is even less.

[Proxima]

Quote: mojohed2012

Exactly. This is from the same series as how effectively the not yet existing American hypersonic missiles will destroy enemies in cartoons.
In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?
Otherwise we remember the flights to the moon and landing on it (remembering the skeptics and a bunch of evidence), Kubrick's confessions, as well as the fact that the Saturn rocket suddenly disappeared - disappeared and for decades the United States has been unable, in principle, to develop a rocket and a ship that would be capable of would repeat "flights to the moon and the landing of people on it."
They respect Hollywood and its products ...

I would advise you dear to join the society of flat-earthers. It is such a community of "intellectuals" who claim that the earth is flat. This movement is gaining momentum. London has recently hosted a triumphant flat-eart congress, where even more led "irrefutable evidence" of the plane of the Earth. Type in a search engine, for YOU and YOU like it it will be very interesting.

[Cosm22]

"In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?"
Interesting ...
In addition to the Americans, this fact was repeatedly confirmed by Soviet scientists and senior leaders.
Chairman of the Council of Ministers Alexei Kosygin congratulated the United States on landing on the moon.
This fact was reported in the editorial of the newspaper Pravda.
The evening edition of the Izvestia newspaper also reported about him, attaching a photo of astronauts on the Moon to the report.
On Soviet TV, cosmonaut Konstantin Feoktistov described the landing as "the greatest milestone" and congratulated the American crew on a brilliantly accomplished task.
Director of the Soviet Space Research Institute Georgy Petrov called the Apollo 11 landing an outstanding achievement of humanity.
Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR Nikolai Viktorovich Podgorny sent a telegram to President Nixon with congratulations and best wishes to the space pilots.
President of the Soviet Academy of Sciences Mstislav Vsevolodovich Keldysh called the mission a great contribution to space exploration.
The Soviet cosmonauts sent a message to the Apollo 11 crew: "We ... closely followed your flight. We sincerely congratulate you on the completion of your wonderful journey to the Moon and a safe return to Earth."
It is impossible to hear from any Soviet or Russian cosmonaut the game that the adherents of the "lunar conspiracy theory" carry today. It is enough to listen to Grechko, Leonov, Lazutkin and others.
But stubborn comrades are not penetrated by anything. They are unable to understand that hundreds of scientists, observatories, astronomers, research laboratories and ships from all the leading countries of the world were observing the progress of the mission. Any deviation from the launch trajectory or from the lunar orbit would be instantly recorded by a bunch of instruments and people.

[Proxima]

Quote: Cosm22

But stubborn comrades are not penetrated by anything.

Don't throw beads, it's all empty .. I once tried to explain to someone - it's useless. I found one who seemed to have reason and said: answer the question, what kind of specialist in rocket and space topics spoke about the lunar sound. To which he gave me one example - Trump's advisor from NASA. As a result, it is nothing more than a fiction of the American troll community! That's the whole answer.

[Machito]

Rogozin doesn't care about American rovers. His fantastic stories are written about Russian epic heroes.

[Ros 56]

And where did you get the idea that Rogozin was tasked with conquering Mars? Maybe while we need to solve other problems? Such a simple thought did not arise?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Ros 56

And where did you get the idea that Rogozin was tasked with conquering Mars?

And what tasks have you set for Rogozin? What tasks did our government set for the national cosmonautics?

[mojohed2012]

Objectives understandable: Shatko-roll, but to support the delivery of their cosmonauts and cargo to the ISS, rarely, but somehow, put satellites into space.
As for the rest - to cut budgets, make PR, make loud promises and "projects", criticize Musk and all other space launch operators unreasonably belittling their role and overestimating our participation in this.

[Ros 56]

The question is certainly interesting, but not about my competence and my pension. This is to address Mishustin.

[Machito]

Quote: Ros 56

The question is certainly interesting, but not about my competence and my pension. This is to address Mishustin.

Michouston will really mark Rogosmos.

[Ros 56]

Are you so stubborn as male sheep, forgive the harsh word. Everything that was planned for 2020 by Roscosmos has been completed. This was reported to the President. This is not Rogozin's private shop, to fulfill the wishes of all the whiners on VO. Or do these all-propals at work do what they want? Well, you need to be friends with your head.

[slipped]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And what tasks have you set for Rogozin? What tasks did our government set for the national cosmonautics?

First of all, the development and use of the domestic space group for scientific, applied and economic purposes. Creation of ground access terminals. Creation of new space systems for Earth remote sensing and communication.

Achievements of our space - to people so to speak.

This month another medium hydrometeorological apparatus is flying with us. And although such an orbit has long been used in business for communications, no sounding satellites have ever been launched there. A grouping of such devices will constantly monitor our Arctic region.

[Dikson]

Whose job is this, ISS?

[lucul]

And what tasks have you set for Rogozin? What tasks did our government set for the national cosmonautics?

Existing chemical engines simply cannot fly anywhere. Dead end . We need a new engine.

[Venya Selnikov]

Who needs to go, not checkers - have long been actively studying the solar system and even go beyond it in chemistry.
A dead end "in chemistry" is for those who need excuses why this should not be done now.

[Blacksmith 55]

It is a pity, sincerely it is a pity that the founders of cosmonautics are not able to create something similar.
All that remains is to congratulate the Americans and hope that Russia too will catch up with the gap in the near future.
There is also a Chinese device on the way, and if I am not mistaken, also from Dubai.
The Martian year however.

[Kart]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

It is a pity, sincerely it is a pity that the founders of cosmonautics are not able to create something similar.

The founders could not repeat a lot of things - a man's flight to the moon, a spacecraft flight to distant planets and beyond the system.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

All that remains is to congratulate the Americans and hope that Russia too will catch up with the gap in the near future.

I would congratulate not only Americans, but everyone, progressive humanity!

[Cosm22]

Yes, NASA can be congratulated. Well done.
There was, of course, some excitement, although the landing seemed to have been worked out. But nothing happened.
And the parachute worked normally, and the jet engines of the module did not pump up, and the Sky Crane did not disappoint.
Now it will be curious to look at the drone flights. What will come of it.

[Ros 56]

Every vegetable has its own time, why are you all sobbing for different reasons? Ah, this is not the case here, ah, it is not that way. For a moment, Russia is the only country in the world that the striped people are afraid of like fire, and with which they speak through their teeth. And Germany threw two sweets and shut up, and with the rest they generally communicate in an orderly tone. What a fashion you have to whine and not respect your country.
Moscow was not built right away, it will be necessary to drive both to Mars and Venus, everything has its time.

[victor50]

Quote: Ros 56

What a fashion you have to whine and not respect your country.
Moscow was not built right away, it will be necessary to drive both to Mars and Venus, everything has its time.

Only earlier in this country it was considered an honor to be the first, or not to lag far behind.

[slipped]

Quote: smith 55

It is a pity, sincerely it is a pity that the founders of cosmonautics are not able to create something similar.

Why not? Here we have created a Martian landing module "Kazachok" with a scientific planetary station. Now it is being integrated with the European rover.

The launch of the second part of the ExoMars project is expected next year.

[lucul]

It is a pity, sincerely it is a pity that the founders of cosmonautics are not able to create something similar.
All that remains is to congratulate the Americans and hope that Russia too will catch up with the gap in the near future.

Do not need .
It's like trying to make an airplane with a steam engine - you can create it - but insanely expensive and ineffective.
Russia is developing new nuclear engines as soon as they are ready - only then can we talk about exploring the planets in our system.

[Cosm22]

The study of planets in our system (if we mean the Solar) has been going on for a long time.
Since the days of the USSR.
You do not know?

[lucul]

The study of planets in our system (if we mean the Solar) has been going on for a long time.
Since the days of the USSR.
You do not know?

It depends on what is meant by research.
You can disembark from a ship to an island in the sea and examine it in detail, or you can simply examine the island through a telescope. What research do you think will be objective?

[Venya Selnikov]

Both the first and the second will be objective. It's just that the completeness of research will be different.

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

Capitalist Russia will not catch up with anyone

[prior]

The American landing mission on the moon continues, but now on Mars.
Hollywood forever!

[vadimtt]

The landing video will be later, in two or three days. This time, at least three cameras worked during landing. Simply transferring a large amount of data (and the HD form is very thick) will not work quickly, they have not yet carried optical fiber to Mars

[lucul]

Full landing video.
Hello Rogozin and his star cruiser at the lunar base.

As if this is something beyond)))
This is not the first time.
Second, did you see the price? One device costs only $ 2.5 billion, plus development, plus delivery, in total it will run under $ 10 billion.
Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners? )))

[Civil]

Quote: lucul

As if this is something beyond)))
This is not the first time.
Second, did you see the price? One device costs only $ 2.5 billion, plus development, plus delivery, in total it will run under $ 10 billion.

Who is to blame that you have brought the country to poverty. The State Department seems to be.

Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners? )))

Mocking retirees - you know how. The first on the planet.
Astronautics is a huge industry, you can pump billions into Vostochny and achieve nothing.

[lucul]

Mocking retirees - you know how. The first on the planet.

So you want to take this money away from pensioners so that amers can wipe their nose))))

Who is to blame that you have brought the country to poverty.

Are you eating the last hedgehogs apparently? )))

[Flooding]

Quote: Civil

Who is to blame that you have driven the country to poverty

It's good that we found the last one.
And then everyone is running, looking.
And it turns out that lucul is to blame for everything, you wretch.

[Ros 56]

Who is to blame that you have brought the country to poverty. The State Department seems to be.

And you seem to have arrived from Alpha-Centauri, then it's not for you to judge us. There on your Alpha and put things in order.

[Alien From]

Well all guys, I'm going to meet this rover

[Ros 56]

It is clear, judging by the minuses, the gathering of followers of the oval is appointed here.

[donavi49]

Um what delivery ??? Are you out there in your mind?

He flew to Atlas 5 for $ 100 million.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: lucul

Second, did you see the price? One device costs only $ 2.5 billion, plus development, plus delivery, in total it will run under $ 10 billion.

Have you seen Mordashev's yacht? How much does it cost?

Quote: lucul

Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners? )))

No, from the Rosmillionaires.

[lucul]

Have you seen Mordashev's yacht? How much does it cost?

Is Mordashov really a state person? And NASA is a government office, but they could have warmed Texas
))))

No, from the Rosmillionaires.

They will take care of themselves, don't worry.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: lucul

Is Mordashov a state person?

Mordashev, Potanin, Chubais and other "best people" are the ugly face of our state.

Quote: lucul

No, from the Rosmillionaires.

They will take care of themselves, don't worry.

And what are you protecting them?

[lucul]

And what are you protecting them?

But you transferred the arrows from amers to us, I was talking about amers))))

Mordashev, Potanin, Chubais and other "best people" are the ugly face of our state.

Maybe they are the best people for you.
For me, the best is the one who created his wealth with his own hands - like Henry Ford, and did not take it away from others by deception.

[Roman070280]

But you the arrows were transferred from amers to us, I was talking about amers ))))

As if this is something beyond)))
This is not the first time.
Second, did you see the price? One device costs only $ 2.5 billion, plus development, plus delivery, in total it will run under $ 10 billion.
What are you, want to tear away from the Russian pensioners $ 10 billion? )))

What is the name of a person who does not even blush?)

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Roman070280

What is the name of a person who does not even blush?)

Dazdraput.

[lucul]

Dazdraput

Very nice, and my name is Vitaly.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: lucul

Very nice, and my name is Vitaly.

In a particular case, Vitaly, but in a general case?

[lucul]

What is the name of a person who does not even blush?)

Novel 070280.
What is written above, but what about him?

Have you seen Mordashev's yacht? How much does it cost?

[Roman070280]

I read well ..))
After YOU "switched the arrows" "from amers to US" and the answer was given - that US, KGBE, in addition to Russian pensioners, also have all kinds of Mordashevs with yachts ..
And if we start to "tear off" with someone, then why from pensioners, and not from them ??

[lucul]

And if we start to "tear off" with someone, then why from pensioners, and not from them ??

Another one, (thoughtfully) or is it just another account?
Oligarchs are supported by the state or not?

[Roman070280]

Well .. to one of my questions "What is the name of a person who is nonsense and does not even blush ??)" .. instead of an answer - his two questions ..


Shl .. oligarchs collect their money on trees .. of course, they have nothing to do with the people or the state ..))
Rottenberg just saved up for the palace .. absolutely without any state participation ..))

[lucul]

Well .. to one of my questions, "What is the name of a person who is nonsense and does not even blush ??)

The answer was given to you long ago - this is Roman070280.
But you only read what you want to see.

Rottenberg just saved up for the palace .. absolutely without any state participation ..))

You are aware of the difference in words between CONTAINED and accumulated, no?
A second question (you generally don't get much the first time) - are Russian oligarchs kept at public expense or not?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: lucul

What is written above, but what about him?

Do you want to collect all our comments here? Don't you remember anything already? Do you remember how it all started?

[lucul]

Do you want to collect all our comments here? Don't you remember anything already? Do you remember how it all started?

From the transfer of arrows to Mordashov, but you do not seem to remember.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: lucul

From the transfer of arrows to Mordashov, but you do not seem to remember.

There it is Che Mikhalych))))

Quote: lucul

Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners? )))

Answer:

Quote: aleksejkabanets

No, from the Rosmillionaires.

Your:

Quote: lucul

They will take care of themselves, don't worry.

My:

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And what are you protecting them?

Etc.

[Roman070280]

I have a second question for Vitaly ..))
What is the name of a person who is "at least in the eye" ??)

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Roman070280

What is the name of a person who is "at least in the eye" ??)

In general or in particular?)))))))

[lucul]

I have a second question for Vitaly ..))
What is the name of a person who is "at least in the eye" ??)

I repeat the answer - this is Roman070280

[lucul]

There it is Che Mikhalych))))

For the gifted, like you - I repeat, the answer was given to this phrase.

Full landing video.
Hello Rogozin and his star cruiser at the lunar base.

You broke into the conversation and turned the arrows to Mordashov.
And now - I'm not me and the cow is not mine?

[Roman070280]

put the arrows on Mordashov.

Well, yes .. it was necessary to transfer the arrows to pensioners ..))

[lucul]

Well, yes .. it was necessary to transfer the arrows to pensioners ..))

Finally?
Aren't pensioners supported by the state?

[Roman070280]

And it never came to you ..
Oligarchs grow like mushrooms in the forest .. exclusively by the will of the rain ..))
And the palaces grow on their own .. without reference to the state and pensioners ..

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: lucul

Aren't pensioners supported by the state?

And the oligarchs "ours" are not supported at the expense of the state? The ruble is "lowered" in whose interests? Tax preferences to whom? Who has offshore business? Who is taking money out of the country? "Rotenberg's Law", no, haven't you? Don't they talk about it on TV? No need to blame a sore head on a healthy one.

[Snail N9]

This is a pinda ... achievement. This is alien to us. We have: braces, temples and parks "Patriot" ... and more ... Rogozin sings ... pindus ... the sons are celebrating another landing on Mars, and we have our anniversary, another anniversary of "achievements":

[Trapp1st]

but they could have warmed Texas

There will be a problem to warm up, in Texas in 99,9% of cases another problem is to cool down. 0,1% is logically neglected.

[Vadim237]

And how does Mordashov's yacht and Mordashov himself belong to Roscosmos?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Vadim237

And how does Mordashov's yacht and Mordashov himself belong to Roscosmos?

And you try to build a causal relationship between the lack of money in the budget, for the same Roscosmos or the Navy, and tax preferences for "our" oligarchs, their export of capital abroad, offshore tax evasion schemes, etc.

[Vadim237]

And where did you get the idea that with all the honesty of payments of taxes by billionaires and Mordashov including - the money from Roskosmos will immediately appear for everything? In Russia, the wear and tear of all fixed assets is 89 trillion rubles, for what, and additional funds from the budget will immediately be directed to these needs and all other critical and acute problems in all spheres, but no matter how not to space - how he received 200 - 300 It will continue to receive billions of rubles a year.

[albert]

Quote: lucul

Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners?

Better with Sechin, Usmanov, Deripaska and the like. They will not become poorer.

[victor50]

Quote: lucul

Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners? )))

Curious! Why not from the Rosoligarchs?

[pytar]

Very difficult landing pattern due to the extremely difficult terrain of the selected area! NASA called it ": moments of horror"! Impressive! Apparatus robot with artificial intelligence! Here is a video explaining how it happened:

Truly top technical comprehension! A video of the landing from the cameras of the probe and the rover itself is expected in the next day. We hope that this mission will answer the main question - was there life on Mars and is it suitable for human settlement!
Interestingly, the United States is leading several lines aimed at the future colonization of the planet! NASA with their rovers and Elon Musk with the Starship ego ...

[Trapp1st]

Very complex landing pattern

I know that the signal takes a long time, but when I looked it anyway, it seemed for a second that they would drop it now)

[pytar]

I know that the signal takes a long time, but when I looked it anyway, it seemed for a second that they would drop it now)

If I'm not mistaken, somewhere in 11 minutes! Years of work, sleepless nights, huge expenses and efforts, and everything is decided in just 7 minutes! The tension, of course, goes off scale! You can understand their joy when the landing took place in normal mode!

Interesting things will continue! For example they are going to try helicopter as a "remote eye" for a rover! All work, movement will be controlled by artificial intelligence! Really fantastic, I wish you good luck!

[Trapp1st]

Interesting things will continue!

I am absolutely in solidarity, success and long, fruitful work!

[pytar]

I am personally amazed at the high endurance of this cosm. devices! Dozens of years, for millions of kilometers. from the Earth, under unimaginably extreme conditions they continue to perform their tasks! These are incredibly technically complex systems! The quality is fantastic! They are chopping windows into the dark unknown forest of the Universe, step by step! Over the past 20-30 years, humanity has indeed made a huge leap ahead! Respect to everyone who is related to progress, no matter what country and nationality!

[Trapp1st]

Over the past 20-30 years, humanity has truly made a huge leap ahead!

Real jumping started with Voyager 1977)

Respect to everyone who is related to progress, no matter what country and nationality!

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: pytar

Interestingly, the United States is leading several lines aimed at the future colonization of the planet! NASA with their rovers and Elon Musk with the Starship ego ...

They lead it, but after the Americans landed on the moon in the 1970s, there was no more forward movement, more likely there was even degradation ... as a person in Earth orbit dangled and dangled, in the USA / Russia they only have time to voice plans - then transfer (or close projects) and start over. SLS has not been able to fly for many years now ... and the light at the end of the tunnel is not visible, Musk is with Starship and well done, but no one knows if he will succeed ... after all, Starship will be presented at a completely different level than Falcon 9 or Falcon Heavy, and if by 2030 it really turns out to fly to the moon on it, it will be a world achievement ... so while everything is rather shaky with the colonization and development of manned astronautics, the same ISS can be up to 2030-2040 (American segment) prolong, but I do not believe in the fast construction of LOP-G (see the story with SLS or James Webb) ...

The only hope is the PRC, who really implements projects without putting them on the back burner.

[pytar]

They lead, but after the Americans landed on the moon in the 1970s, there was no more forward movement, rather, there was even degradation ... like a man in Earth's orbit was dangling and dangling ...

This is a false impression. All the time passed was the accumulation of information, there was a rapid development of technologies. Competition has intensified, new players have appeared! That's good, competition is good! And the Earth's orbit will always be the basis, the place for working out the next stages, the step from which humanity makes the next step! In addition, the development of the Earth's orbit has a direct reflection on the progress taking place on the Earth. Over the decades, the orbit has become more saturated with devices with a variety of applications. The orbit is more important for the development of applied science, and distant space for fundamental science. As they say, in order to swim to a new land, one must first learn to swim.

[Ural resident]

Quote: Civil

Full landing video.
Hello Rogozin and his star cruiser at the lunar base.

Rogozin has something to do with it, people are different: they put a talker and a dreamer to lead such an important industry, so he speaks and dreams. Questions to those who conduct such a personnel policy - are they joking about the country?

[Greenwood]

Quote: Resident of the Urals

Questions to those who conduct such a personnel policy - are they joking about the country?

Leadership positions in state corporations are selected not on the basis of professionalism and experience, but on the basis of loyalty to the president and his policies.

[krops777]

[quote] At the same time, Roskosmos is selling Let's Go, sadly [quote]

And what else does he have to do with such funding (10 billion rubles is 60 times less than NASA funding) This is by the way an indicator of the economy, no matter what they say.

[Konnick]

Yes, but this does not prevent Rogozin from building a skyscraper office in the form of a rocket for 25 billion rubles.

[Vadim237]

And at the same time, "Specialists of the Russian Space Systems Holding (RKS, part of the ROSCOSMOS State Corporation) have developed and launched into production for promising spacecraft new on-board transceivers for reliable information exchange via the satellite-to-Earth link. , which has no analogues in the Russian market, is realized using only domestic electronic components.

Transceivers of high-speed radio lines are designed to transmit and receive large-scale target information - satellite images, radar images, etc. The devices consist of receiver and signal shaper modules, a switch and an amplifier operating in the X-frequency range.

The modules are based on Low Temperature Co-Fired Ceramic (LTCC) technology, which is used by leading telecommunications equipment manufacturers. It provides higher electrical characteristics and thermal conductivity, mechanical protection of monolithic integrated circuits (MIS) and tightness of modules, high reliability and fault tolerance. The use of LTCC ceramics in the creation of ultra-high-frequency (microwave) devices made it possible to move from modules based on metal cases to small-sized ceramic modules, to implement three-dimensional structures inside.

Andrey BUYANKIN, Head of the RKS Onboard Microwave Devices Development Department: “When developing new microwave devices, we faced the fact that electronic components available on the domestic market did not allow us to achieve the required operating frequencies and significantly complicated the device circuit. As a result, we have mastered the development of our own microwave monolithic integrated circuits. This solution gave us the opportunity to be more flexible in the design of microwave modules. We were able to increase the speed of information transfer, reduce the number of active elements on the board from 18 to 9 and halve the size - from 60 × 60 to 30 × 30 mm. The development of your own microwave MIS takes no more than three months and costs several tens of thousands of rubles apiece, while ordering a new circuit from an external manufacturer, subject to development costs, costs about 60 million rubles. and lasts about four years. "

The devices are planned to be used in the creation of promising satellites for broadband communication and Earth remote sensing. "

[Vadim237]

"The Supervisory Board of Roscosmos has approved the decision to form a holding company for space instrumentation," said the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin.

"Today, at a meeting of the Supervisory Board of the State Corporation Roscosmos, a decision was approved to form a holding of space instrumentation on the basis of JSC Russian Space Systems," Rogozin said on his Telegram channel.

Rogozin notes that it will include 17 companies - design centers, research institutes, design bureaus and assembly plants, "aimed at ensuring complete import independence of the Russian rocket and space industry in the supply of microradioelectronic products for space purposes and instrumentation."

"The holding is headed by Andrey Evgenievich Tyulin, lieutenant general of the reserve, doctor of economic sciences, candidate of technical sciences," the head of Roscosmos said.

In May 2020, Rogozin announced that the state corporation Roscosmos is embarking on the second stage of reform: the creation of thematic holdings within the corporation. "
And our mission together with the Europeans will fly to Mars next year.

[slipped]

Quote: Vadim237

And our mission together with the Europeans will fly to Mars next year.

[Dali]

NASA is considering the possibility of getting a place for an astronaut on the Soyuz in the spring of 2021 !!!
https://tass.ru/kosmos/10663311
It will be interesting to listen to the maskafiles when the American again flies on the union ...

shl
This has never happened, and again ...

[Far B]

The United States sent the rover to the Red Planet on July 30, 2021

This, of course, is unlikely. Something tells me that a year earlier

[nPuBaTuP]

Not not ... These are just guests from the future)

[Destiny]

Quote: Dalny V

Something tells me that a year earlier

Noticed oshЫbku
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[BARKHAN]

Quote: Destiny

Quote: Dalny V

Something tells me that a year earlier

Noticed oshЫbku
Highlight text and press. Ctrl + Enter

Why? It's more fun ...)))))

[WIKI]

Quote: Dalny V

This, of course, is unlikely. Something tells me that a year earlier

"The Atlas V launch vehicle (Atlas-5) with the Perseverance rover was launched on Thursday at 14:50 Moscow time from the cosmodrome at Cape Canaveral in Florida in the United States. The broadcast is conducted on Twitter by the American National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) July 30.
The research rover is scheduled to enter orbit on February 18, 2021. "
https://iz.ru/1042039/2020-07-30/raketa-nositel-s-marsokhodom-perseverance-startovala-vo-floride

[Flooding]

Quote: Dalny V

This, of course, is unlikely. Something tells me that a year earlier

Back to the Future.
And what do you think billions have been spent on?

[Lipchanin]

The American Mars mission, which reached the Red Planet, landed safely on the surface of Mars on Thursday.

[Cowbra]

Well, this is certainly not bad, but nothing outstanding is a repetition of past successes, "but with mother-of-pearl buttons." There has been stagnation in space for 40 years. One hope that with the race for the moon will break through.

[donavi49]

Well, if you compare it with Viking-1, then this is just an incredible high-tech and a wagon of tools.
If we compare it with the legendary Opportunity and Spirit, then this is a big step forward, because the chassis can go where those rovers cannot. No solar panels. Many tools, including a functional arm. Laser gun for examining samples.
If we compare in Curiosity - then the work on errors and evolution.

In fact, they have only one failure - InSight. Which failed the main research program due to a crookedly designed drill. Rather, due to the lack of elaboration of improvisational solutions, if everything goes wrong. As the drill was not pressed with a bucket, it still jumped out. A simple 20-25 gram holder would have saved the day, but it was not.

[Cowbra]

Everything that you have described is "with mother-of-pearl buttons". Fundamentally - replacing one technology with an adequate one.
You see, it's like after the first satellite - not sending manned modules, but replacing them with robotic ones. The same effect, only more bulbs. If they at least built an autonomous self-repairing module there, it would have been a breakthrough, as well as the same repetition. Only buttons are mother-of-pearl.

[donavi49]

In theory Voyager and Cassini-Huygens, this is an AMS with a nuclear battery into deep space. And there are more differences than between the flight of Gagarin and the ISS (well, or the flight of the Eagle around the Moon).

And yes, where does such a craving for piloted? People in deep space are not needed already at this stage. And the gap will only grow further. AMC will be more functional, more compact and more realistic in terms of reliability than humans. People can improvise with the tools they have, this is the only significant advantage. Again, if there was a crew next to InSight, they would dig the area and put the squeeze on the drill => fulfillment of the scientific mission. However, if the developers had foreseen a significant fluffiness of the rock, they would have solved it on the ground and the drill would have worked well as well. But they did not foresee such an opportunity.

[Cowbra]

You do not hear me. The difference in technology during the Lunokhod-1 missions and the current one, as well as Voyager and Cassini, does not give anything at all, the difference is only in the amount of accumulating data of the same type. Neither Cassini nor Huygens contributes to the use of cocoa data.
Where did you get about my craving for piloted? Heard nothing again? I wrote about the autonomous module there above. Do you know why it would be a breakthrough? This is a step towards mastering planets or satellites. And this tractor is another sensor. Only now with a radio helicopter. Confused - zero, another array of useless data. By the way, for this it is not necessary to climb to the surface, data can also be obtained from orbit now, but this is not a breakthrough either.
This is stagnation, stagnation. 40 years the same achievements.

[vadimtt]

This is how, on a quiet sly, with an array of useless data (you would at least read what is on this device), the Americans colonize Mars, because for them it is not "useless data".

[Cowbra]

Quote: vadimtt

Americans and colonize Mars, because for them it is not "useless data".

Clearly. Weighted. Reasoned. The main reason is "I swear by my mother"

[Quadro]

Quote: Cowbra

You do not hear me. The difference in technology during the Lunokhod-1 missions and the current one, as well as Voyager and Cassini, does not give anything at all, the difference is only in the amount of accumulating data of the same type. Neither Cassini nor Huygens contributes to the use of cocoa data.
Where did you get about my craving for piloted? Heard nothing again? I wrote about the autonomous module there above. Do you know why it would be a breakthrough? This is a step towards mastering planets or satellites. And this tractor is another sensor. Only now with a radio helicopter. Confused - zero, another array of useless data. By the way, for this it is not necessary to climb to the surface, data can also be obtained from orbit now, but this is not a breakthrough either.
This is stagnation, stagnation. 40 years the same achievements.

It is useless to write this to the sectarians of the Amers and NASA. He invented some nonsense in his head and believes in it. Now, even in other systems, they study the same atmosphere without planting a tractor on it, and this is just show-off and not the fact that the tractor is there. But our sect of amerophiles has forgotten that exomars is hanging in orbit and is collecting data for itself without noise and PR. But they don't want to see it.

[donavi49]

But our sect of amerophiles has forgotten that exomars is hanging in orbit and is collecting data for itself without noise and PR. But they don't want to see it.

Only the orbital part, the main part is in a blaze on the surface. And the new mission was again postponed for 2 years. I am already silent about the fact that Trace Gas Orbiter (what is in orbit) is completely an ESA product, which was collected at the Thales-Alenya site.

Inside there are two Russian devices - a package of IR spectrometers and a neutron detector. Recent discoveries were made using another device - NOMAD, which was developed in the EU (Spain, Belgium, England).

Well, and even in orbit, the Indian orbiter Mangalyan is spinning about him, you can also talk .

[slipped]

Quote: donavi49

Only the orbital part, the main part is in a blaze on the surface.

Lepehu was made by the Romanians, do not belittle their fantastic achievements in space.

Quote: donavi49

And the new mission was again postponed for 2 years.

All the times through the fault of ESA, and yes, the astronomical window is 2 years old. Our part of the expedition is ready.

Quote: donavi49

I am already silent about the fact that Trace Gas Orbiter (what is in orbit) is completely an ESA product, which was collected at the Thales-Alenya site.

And launched it on a departure trajectory to Mars is completely a product of Roscosmos, which was assembled at the site of the Center. Khrunichev.

By the way, the Perseverance rover is also launched on the engines of NPO Energomash and has plutonium-238 from Rosatom inside.

Quote: donavi49

Inside there are two Russian devices - a package of IR spectrometers and a neutron detector.

Yes, these are these unique beauties:

Spectrometric complex ACS

FREND neutron detector

Quote: donavi49

Recent discoveries were made using another device - NOMAD, which was developed in the EU (Spain, Belgium, England).

Wrong. Recently, for the first time in the atmosphere of Mars by direct measurements, hydrogen chloride was detected. The discovery was made by the Russian ACS spectrometer.

Also recently, a domestic spectrometer made the first estimates of the CO concentration in the atmosphere, depending on the height above the surface, from 10 to 120 km.

[Venya Selnikov]

Quote: donavi49

In fact, they only have one failure - InSight.

We would have such "failures"!
InSight has:
- Seismic Experiment for Interior Structure (SEIS) - works
- The Heat Flow and Physical Properties Package (HP3) - does not work!
- The Rotation and Interior Structure Experiment (RISE) - works
- Temperature and Winds for InSight (TWINS) - works
- Laser RetroReflector for InSight (LaRRI) - works
- Instrument Deployment Arm (IDA) - works
- Instrument Deployment Camera (IDC) - works
- Instrument Context Camera (ICC) - works
In addition, the flight itself (during which the device collects and transmits data to Earth), like the landing itself, are full-fledged scientific programs. The results of which are carefully studied in the preparation of the next missions.
Of all this, the only problem is with HP3 (which was developed and prepared by the Germans from DLR for the mission). Such missions are called partially successful.

[Dikson]

Now they will write here that this is not a victory or an achievement, and in general no one has flown anywhere ..))) I congratulate all of us on the next success of the American cosmonautics .. And we, in turn, just need to once again redraw the Yenisei on beautiful pictures, Redo all the documentation for the "Angara", consider the fiftieth new concept for coloring the fairings, urgently rename some unfinished product, and finally force all Roscosmos personnel to learn and perform the hits of their leader .. Be that as it may, any success of any country in space is the success of all mankind .. therefore, you and I, and Roscosmos, without any doubt, can be proud of other people's achievements ..

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Dikson

To redo all the documentation for the "Angara", consider the XNUMXth new concept for the coloring of fairings

Tell me, do NASA and Roscosmos have the same budgets?

[paul3390]

Tell me - do Roscosmos and NASA employees have the same salaries? Well - except of course the tops, those are clearly American more than overlap .. In general, the impression is that if all our top managers do not pay bonuses for a month - just enough for an expedition to Mars ..

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: paul3390

Tell me - do Roscosmos and NASA employees have the same salaries? Well - apart from of course the tops, those are clearly American more than overlap

That is, the whole point is in salaries, but actually on equipment, equipment for everything else that NASA and Roscosmos have the same expenses?

[Dikson]

Sidor. I assume your question is purely rhetorical? Tell me, why is Musk able to attract investors to his projects, but for some reason we are not? Maybe you shouldn't have dropped other people's insured devices so often? And will the increase in the budget of our Roscosmos serve as a pretext for an even more energetic revision of concepts and reworking of draft designs? Fly to the moon - "why?" .. Fly to Mars - "why did we forget there .." - this is the message of many comments here .. "Here's how we will remake everything in a new way, so immediately and rush to catch up with everyone .." .. So if everyone understands the difference in budgets, why then does the management scatter loud promises, drawn pictures and projections? Just let them do their job on the sly .. Useful and high-quality .. Look what photos of the wonderful Martian crater got. Good isn't it? I am in favor of not belittling anyone's achievements .. If they really exist.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Dikson

Tell me, why is Musk able to attract investors to his projects, but for some reason we are not?

Because these investors are not afraid to pick up sanctions for cooperation with Roscosmos.
They are remodeling, and will be remodeling. And even to cancel something. This is a normal workflow.
Remember the film "The Taming of Fire", in particular the words of Bashkirtsev: "Do you want everything at once? And I want it, but it doesn't work that way."
The commentators here remind me of puberty teenagers who need everything at once. And for them, the lack of all-amazing and super-spectacular attractions is a complete failure.

[Dikson]

I'll give you the idea of ​​investing in the Space industry right now - do you want? Let's start a religious race in space! Let the Orthodox Church send the FIRST icon to another planet? How do you like the shining George the Victorious on the Moon? This is much cooler than American statements about the division of territories ..))) Do you know what demand for the delivery of religious symbols may arise ...))) The Chinese will immediately start building a statue of Buddha, the Hindus - the dancing Ganesha ... - everyone will urgently need rockets and technologies...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

You lose your composure.
Breathe deeply, you are excited.

[Cowbra]

Quote: Dikson

why is Musk able to attract investors to his projects

Because Musk, a drug addict who was kicked out of an African vocational school for poor performance, has the same attitude to these projects as I do to ballet. For example, the Pentagon lit the Starlink satellite a year ago as the latest low-orbit spy satellite. So it's not Musk who attracts money there, for example - who built the start-up site used by Spice-He? And how did it turn out to be from the subordination of NASA to a private owner, and no one even stuttered about money? This is a state project, and the state can simply MAKE it fly on the fact that they need to be passed off as a commercially successful project. Which it does quite successfully.

[Dikson]

You know, one of the same gouges was told that he was a complete insignificance and a layman, and that he would not be able to do anything .. And he took and raised the sunken German fleet from the bottom ...)) Elon Musk, no matter how Ostap Bender he seemed, primarily an enthusiast, able to lead people for an idea. And, of course, he is an outstanding businessman ...

[Cowbra]

And along the road - the dead with scythes stand. Achievements of the merchant.
* Tesla is unprofitable. Only 2020 ended without losses, because production was cut due to the pandemic. The question remains, what to do with debts for the unprofitable past years. By the way, it only broke even when the "genius merchant" was kicked out into the cold.
* Solar City. Found guilty of fraud in order to obtain subsidies from the US government. There is still not a single order.
* Solar City as a panel manufacturing company. Sales:

Little red is when the company was bought by Alena Skazka. Brilliant merchant!
* Hyperloop. Well yes.
* Armored amphibian on an electric ship. Well yes...
* Starship ... Well, yes ... They fired up that it was made according to Znayka's drawings. Due to the fact that even Znayka did not collect it with a sledgehammer - Znayka flew to the moon, and not Musk.
* Starlink. Well, if you do not consider that he was fired up as a Pentagon project, then it does not apply to commerce at all.
You can go on, about the Gigafactory, for example, and the workers' lawsuits against "our future".
Is Mavrodi a genius businessman? Same as Musk - and also convicted of fraud

[Kart]

Quote: Dikson

Maybe you shouldn't have dropped other people's insured devices so often?

It is normal for the insured to drop it.
Everyone is happy - the device does not need to be operated even with money.

[Dikson]

It's okay to cut money, but it does irreparable damage to your reputation, don't you think so?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Dikson

And will the increase in the budget of our Roscosmos serve as a pretext for an even more energetic revision of concepts and rework of draft designs?

There are plans to build the headquarters of Roskosmos, in the form of a skyscraper in the form of a rocket in the center of Moscow. Budget appropriate

[region58]

Quote: Stirbjorn

rocket-shaped skyscraper

Or maybe ... that ... the engine is more powerful from the bottom, and even launch these "managers" to the edreny hair dryer ... let them fly. No, it should work out, in the form of a rocket they do it for a reason ... This will be an action, everyone's noses in the morning ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Tell me, do NASA and Roscosmos have the same budgets?

And who is to blame?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And who is to blame?

The volume of the economy.
The USSR had the countries of the Warsaw Pact and the socialist camp, with which an active trade was conducted.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

The volume of the economy.
The USSR had the countries of the Warsaw Pact and the socialist camp, with which an active trade was conducted.

And who destroyed all this? Who benefited from the collapse of the USSR? Aren't they the ones who are in power now? You are not a stupid person and should clearly trace these causal relationships.

[lucul]

Now they will write here that this is not a victory or an achievement, and in general no one has flown anywhere ..))) Congratulations to all of us on the next success of American astronautics

Pfff ... It would be better to heat Texas with this money, otherwise the rover is launched, and people themselves freeze from the cold ...

[Blackmokona]

Texas has its own personal power grid, almost unconnected with the federal one, which is crap.
Therefore, let them decide, federal money is one thing, and state money is another.
The same Musk at his cosmodrome in Texas prudently put the panels and batteries and sits not crying. Works quietly.

[lucul]

Texas has its own personal power grid

It can be seen

almost unrelated to the federal one, which crap.

Once you crumpled, it means you don't need to help, is it easier to launch the rover? )))
The USA does not like its citizens at all)))

[Blackmokona]

Texas is a rich and developed state filled with gas and oil to the eyeballs. He himself will draw conclusions and build more power plants, power lines and other things

[lucul]

Texas is a rich and developed state filled with gas and oil to the eyeballs. We will draw conclusions ourselves and build more power plants, power lines and other things

Blah blah blah, but while people are freezing there, while the United States launches rovers - cannibalistic power in the United States)))

[Blackmokona]

And you about this. Well, I don't like those either. They say it is treated by direct observation of launches and other things.
There is a story about a group of blacks who came to protest against the costs of the Apollo program, came directly to the launch of Saturn-5, having witnessed the launch of a huge rocket with lightning speed.

[lucul]

And you about this. Well, I don't like those either. They say it is treated by direct observation of starts

Uh ... uh ... uh ... you are cold in people, do you want to compensate by broadcasting a rocket launch? ))))

[Cowbra]

Quote: BlackMokona

He himself will draw conclusions and build more power plants, power lines and other things

It is logical, as the USA is always a private cant of one firm. Or the state. If the light went out, for example, in Yakutia, then the Kremlin would be solely to blame, and for the cry "Yakutia will figure it out on its own, draw conclusions and build a power line itself, it is stuffed with gold and diamonds" - you yourself would have been lynched here 100 times. O means objectivity

[Blackmokona]

Our energy is arranged differently.
He built a super-centralized state and a vertical of power where even the decision to return the bell to the well is taken personally by Putin. Then you yourself understand for everything the supreme is personally responsible

[Cowbra]

Good position))) At the same time, throw rags if there is a forest fire or a pandemic - there is no one in the United States. True. I don’t remember that private energy companies were banned in Russia. Don't pay the state - make your own energy company - and all the problems are solved, no chubais with Putin can tell you ...
And there is also such a problem - emergency situations are always the concern of the government. The government is chosen for that. to help in global things, otherwise why the heck pay taxes to him? Here in the United States - an emergency, and affected not 1, but 6 states. Well, what for is the government there?

[Blackmokona]

So, only Texas has copied, the energy of Texas is dealt with by an organization created and managed by the Texas government, which is elected by the population of Texas. The guys from Washington have nothing to do with this, their laws, orders and regulations do not affect this matter in any way.
Thus, the question is for the Texas government, not the US government.
All energy in our country is controlled centrally. Our functionaries won't even dream of this.

[Venya Selnikov]

Unlike us, the states have real (perhaps even sometimes excessive) federalism. In which the governor of the state can directly criticize the feds and the central government, or refuse to meet with the president, and he cannot do anything ...
Most taxes remain within the state, so let Texas figure it out. And he implements them himself. Although, of course, he can ask the federals for help (if the situation is recognized by an emergency).

[Kart]

This is another!
You have to understand!

[Cowbra]

This is where you found the federal power grid in the United States, when everything is private in the country?

[Blackmokona]

There are rules and laws, regulation from the Department of Energy.
Texas has its own state-owned power system, which is not regulated by the Department of Energy, as it has almost no connection with other states. Well, the objects of this energy sector may already belong to private individuals, but the general management is carried out by officials

[Cowbra]

Rules and laws, by and large - licensing of the company, everything. There is no federal network, there seem to be 6 private networks of different lengths, uniting even smaller private owners. And in the event of an accident, the "regulatory body" can push its regulation deeply - there will be money - it will give light. And even in Texas. Will not be - they will bask without light in Teslamobiles. Oops ... And in them you can't warm yourself without light either)))

[tralflot1832]

Texas burned out on green energy. A bunch of wind farms were put into operation, with a low price of kW, h, it seems to have reached $ 25 per megawatt. Private thermal power plants were opened. And here it is cold with winds. Wind turbines are for fun, plus the blades need to be heated. Shale wells are also heated it is necessary that the production does not fall. At the moment, 1 kW, h costs 660 rubles on the wholesale. Somehow, the power engineers get in excess of the profit and do not blow up.

[Blackmokona]

Not burnt, traditional sources collapsed.

[tralflot1832]

660 per kW / h is not a lot for Texans. I am burning now 500 kW per month and it is with gas. And still, it’s not comfortable. They sit in the dark. Well, Las Vegas doesn’t count, the city of vices should shine like a Christmas tree ...

[Vadim237]

In short, an alternative to green energy and fuel will be thermonuclear, maybe by 2050 it will appear.

[tralflot1832]

Let me remind you a day ago I wrote. The state of Oklahoma, where Trump defeated Biden with almost two-fold advantage because of the cold weather, sits with a gas price of $ 13 per 300 cubic meters. It went up to $ 1000. Next time they will vote as they should. They can take their experience into service, so to speak, love for the population in the American way! Now the money will be recaptured for the Martian expedition. Defenders of American democracy, like the price of gas in Oklphom. In Oklahoma, all millionaires, and Trumpists. Now they will cut the money off!

[Dikson]

People freeze there, because their houses are made of plasterboard and multilayer plywood, not concrete and not with walls of two and a half bricks ..))) There was an unverified infa (sorry) that due to the lack of central heating as a mass phenomenon , in good old England, every winter about 10 thousand people freeze to death in their apartments .. In my opinion - a vile lie .. nobody canceled electric fireplaces ..

[Blackmokona]

They freeze because in history they have never been so cold. Keeping the heating system and building insulated houses in case once a century is such a pleasure

[Dikson]

.. Concerning the warm region - maybe .. We once did a TV show about private construction in the states .. drove from the South to Alaska .. We sorted just all these ECO materials, technologies .. Houses made of pressed hay, plywood and foam plastic ... All the insulation in them - in the basement, the ceiling is filled with foam - that's all ..

[lucul]

They freeze because in history they have never been so cold. Keeping the heating system and building insulated houses in case once a century is such a pleasure

We won’t have such a winter for 20 years, but we didn’t build houses with less thermal insulation. Probably they think about people, and the USA about profit.

[tralflot1832]

This is not discussed. In England there is a concept of fuel poverty. In view of the lack of centralized heating, houses are heated with boilers. Not everyone has access to this. Every 9th of us hunts from an Englishman in the cold or in the library or if there are pounds in pubs. And I think that when it's cold in the pub will not be pushed through. By the way, cheaper than here in Sochi. An otedelnaya song with homes for the elderly, dying from cold, gas roads. And a separate song, fashion or tradition, sewage along the facade of a house without isolation. Minus ten and everyone has arrived!

[Bolt cutter]

if there are pounds in pubs. And I think that when it's cold in the pub you will not push

For the price of 2 (two) glasses of beer in a pub - about 11 pounds - you will heat the house all day and have more lighting left over.

Minus ten and everyone arrived! hi

It's almost never minus ten here. In any case, I never came.

A singular song with homes for the elderly, they are dying, gas roads

In nursing homes, everything is paid for by the state. While not poor.

[tralflot1832]

England is also Scotland, it can be colder there. Edinburgh Bar of Lates is a favorite place. I don't like beer, whiskey is cool with clicks. But usually the bartender would persuade, all in one dish and Schweppes separately.

[Bolt cutter]

And what, the sewer froze there Or retirees in the tens of thousands?

[tralflot1832]

Where I voice 10 thousand There is such a topic, not only you can write about England. There is a topic about inadequate medical personnel. Honestly, I like the Scots more, they are more open.

[Bolt cutter]

Where I voice 10 thousand

This is another comrade commentator, yes. Your idea about

9y hunts from the Englishman cold weather or in the library or if there are pounds in pubs.

a little not wealthy, if you know the prices in these same pubs. And their capacity. And the logic is that if there is a drink, then there will be heating.

There is a topic about inadequate medical personnel

This topic is everywhere.

Honestly, I like the Scots more, they are more open.

Northern Irishmen to me. To the British - you need to know them better.

not only you can write about England

Few on this site will be objective.

[tralflot1832]

90 - 96 year clicks, such a small glass of 1,5 pounds. For good, the fight between the Scots stopped, without the police, in the Bar of Lates Edinburgh, the hostess poured bar vodka Smirnov (plastic bottle) took 11 pounds, like in a store.

[Bolt cutter]

90 - 96 year click, such a small glass 1,5 pounds

2020, double (50ml is also a small glass) - 9-14 pounds. Beer 5-6 pounds per pint. Expensive sugrev-gas is cheaper. Something like "they don't have money for a bus - that's why they take a taxi."

[Bolt cutter]

about 10 thousand people

Million In London alone What pity these naglo-Saxons But seriously, heating an apartment of 30 sqm - 2 packs of cigarettes (for the price) per week.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

But seriously, heating an apartment of 30 sqm - 2 packs of cigarettes (for the price) per week.

And we have 5 packs.

[Bolt cutter]

If it's very cold, take it easy with a smoke, and everything is fine You don't have to die.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

If it's very cold, take it easy with a smoke

And if we assume that we pay for heating all year round, then all 10 packs will be a week. And it makes no difference where they get them from me, from a smoke, or from macaros.

[tralflot1832]

So they probably have a pack of 10 pounds already.

[Bolt cutter]

probably already 10 pounds

Already at 11.30. The devils (Indians ) and sometimes 12-13 pounds. This year I have not taken it yet.

[tralflot1832]

There is much to strive for.

[Bolt cutter]

By the way, no one quits smoking. I did, but not because of the price.

[tralflot1832]

E, too, could not, they found holes. Delivery by contraband. We took a smoke in the raid. Customs is somehow honest with you.

[tralflot1832]

For gas, the figures are only for 20 years. 40 rubles for our money per cubic meter. Everyone lives differently. In Lerwick I liked one house made of boulders. So the family had a beautiful winter garden 10 by 4. After a couple of years they sold the house and A couple of months later, this garden was bent by the new hlzyaev, in winter it needs to be heated and this beauty turned into a banal warehouse of all barokhl. And in pubs in December January I always sat closer to the fireplace. I really liked Ullapool, especially the house standing across the bay, One. I was struck by the electricity line to it at 10 km, the road and a boat with two engines for 150 hp. Obviously, the owner's income is above average. In Russia, too, they live differently. And now, whole families are burning in their own homes, every day.

[Bolt cutter]

A couple of months later, this garden was bent at the new hlzyaev,

At my window half of the flowers died. Perhaps the light is not enough for them. I haven’t visited Glasgow yet.

[Dikson]

Boltorez, Well, I wrote - according to unverified information))) just the figure surprised me ..

[Bolt cutter]

Me too. This is very, very exaggerated, at least.

[Quadro]

You are our Amerophile, there our joint apparatus with the Europeans collects data without a tractor. But you just do not know this, the main thing in the comments is to say which nasa are cool and to scare Rogozin.

[Jacket in stock]

During the week, 3 vehicles arrived at Mars at once - Arabic (UAE), Chinese and American.
Ours has been there since the last "window" in orbit, when the European rover crashed during landing.
Something even recently discovered there in the atmosphere.

[Cowbra]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Something even recently discovered there in the atmosphere.

From the Russian-European mission Mars-2016, two discoveries were made on a Russian device. the decryption was also made in Russia. It's just that for some reason in our news they like to mention only that. that the Americans threw the tractor to Mars. And Russian achievements - and fuck

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

It's just that for some reason in our news they like to mention only that. that the Americans threw the tractor to Mars. And Russian achievements - and fuck

Probably, in this way, scolders increase their meager self-esteem. After all, how nice it is to some mediocrity who doesn’t need anyone, even for a moment, but to feel more important than a high-ranking person and even an entire country.

[BARKHAN]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

It's just that for some reason in our news they like to mention only that. that the Americans threw the tractor to Mars. And Russian achievements - and fuck

Probably, in this way, scolders increase their meager self-esteem. After all, how nice it is to some mediocrity who doesn’t need anyone, even for a moment, but to feel more important than a high-ranking person and even an entire country.

Yes, you just need to return the flags near the avatars and everything will fall into place ... Raguli and the Balts are very worried about Rogozin ...

[Vladimir_2U]

You can think of me as an idiot, but as a helicopter, I can fly at 1% of the density of the Earth's atmosphere and a weight of 600 grams (already on Mars). I understand that the dependence is nonlinear, but with such a density (the density of the atmosphere and not the force of gravity, I emphasize), would the mass of an aircraft on Mars be equivalent to 60 kg on earth?

[Sentinel-vs]

They write that the density of the atmosphere of Mars on the surface is approximately comparable to that of the earth at an altitude of 40 km. On Earth, at such an altitude, only powerful jet planes or stratospheric balloons fly. Indeed, how can a helicopter take off with such an atmosphere density?

[Destiny]

Ingenuity is just a test sample, called technology demonstrators, so this project will test the developed technology for the first time in real-world conditions. Exactly the same demonstrators were once the Mars Pathfinder Sojourner rover. Ingenuity does not carry any scientific instruments and is a separate experiment of Perseverance.

“The Ingenuity team has gone to great lengths to test the helicopter on Earth, and we look forward to doing our experiment in a real environment on Mars. We'll be learning all the way. ”- Mimi Aung, Ingenuity Project Manager at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

“The Wright brothers have shown experimentally that propeller flight in the Earth's atmosphere is possible. And with Ingenuity, we will try to prove the same for Mars. ”- Haward Grip, helicopter pilot at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

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[Vladimir_2U]

Yes, thanks, the propeller speed is quoted at 2400 RPM. it is almost ten times faster than helicopter ones. This is another conversation.

[Undecim]

how can a helicopter take off with such an atmosphere density?

Mars Helicopter Ingenuity was tested in a special chamber where an altitude of 34 meters was simulated.
Atmospheric pressure near the surface of Mars averages 0,6 kPa or 6 mbar (1/170 of the earth's, which is equivalent to the earth's at an altitude of about 34 km from the earth's surface.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Undecim

Mars Helicopter Ingenuity was tested in a special chamber where an altitude of 34 meters was simulated.

ATP, have already indicated the rotational speed of the screws at 2400 rpm. This is an engineering feat, no fools.

[lucul]

ATP, have already indicated the rotational speed of the screws at 2400 rpm. This is an engineering feat, no fools.

Shaw? The blades rotate at supersonic speed ??? ))))

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: lucul

Shaw? The blades rotate at supersonic speed ??? ))))

So it is supersonic for the level of the Black Sea, and where is Mars and where is the Black Sea? )))

[lucul]

So it is supersonic for the level of the Black Sea, and where is Mars and where is the Black Sea?

Therefore, propeller-driven aircraft cannot overcome 800 km / h, because the ends of the blades go over to supersonic, that is, the air is torn off the blades.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: lucul

Therefore, propeller-driven aircraft cannot overcome 800 km / h, because the ends of the blades go to supersonic

I didn’t know, I always thought that the head resistance of the rotating propeller does not give, “locking threshold”. And the Tu-95 has a speed of about 920 km.

[lucul]

And the Tu-95 has a speed of about 920 km.

In Tu-95, the tips of the blades have a special saber shape, which reduces the speed of air separation.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: lucul

In Tu-95, the tips of the blades have a special saber shape.

But the screw has not ceased to be a screw because of this.

[lucul]

But the screw has not ceased to be a screw because of this.

When diving, the P-47 Thunderbolt accelerated to 1 km / h, but the propeller simply did not pull at these speeds - there was a separation of air along all the blades, and the propeller rotated in vain, only when the speed decreased, the blades could again take air.
On the Tu-95 there are double blades, a special shape and therefore can reach such speeds.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: lucul

When diving .....
On the Tu-95 there are double blades, a special shape and therefore can reach such speeds.

No and no, and the speed is horizontal and the blades are of normal shape and not double, the twin propeller is yes, but not the blades.

[lucul]

No and no, and the speed is horizontal and the blades are of normal shape and not double, the twin propeller is yes, but not the blades.

You wrote that the frontal resistance of the propeller does not allow acceleration, I indicated that when diving it accelerates without problems up to 1 km / h, but the propeller thrust drops due to air separation from the blades.
Double propeller - read about Tu-95, everything is there.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: lucul

You wrote that the frontal resistance of the propeller does not allow acceleration, I indicated that when diving, it accelerates without problems up to 1 km / h

I wrote about horizontal flight, you wrote about diving.

Quote: lucul

Double propeller - read about Tu-95, everything is there.

Now you have double blades, then the propeller has already become double. And about Tu-95 it would be nice for you to look. And yes, I looked again, the screws are not paired, and even less double, they are coaxial.

[lucul]

Now you have double blades, then the propeller has already become double. And about Tu-95 it would be nice for you to look. And yes, I looked again, the screws are not paired, and even less double, they are coaxial.

Two propellers on one shaft - whatever you call it - this is a double propeller, the number of blades is doubled compared to a conventional propeller - you just have the gift of paying attention to details and not noticing the essence.

I wrote about horizontal flight, you wrote about diving.

Again twenty-five, well, explain to me then why a propeller-driven aircraft dives at a speed of 1 km / h, if, according to your statements, the drag of the propeller prevents it from reaching this speed?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: lucul

Two propellers on one shaft - whatever you call it - this is a double propeller, the number of blades is doubled compared to a conventional propeller

There are generally accepted names, no one calls the Ka-50 coaxial rotor double, but you can.

Quote: lucul

1 km / h, if, according to your statements, the propeller drag prevents it from reaching this speed?

According to your statement, in general, it was about 800 km / h, so what?

Quote: lucul

Therefore, propeller-driven aircraft and cannot overcome 800 km / h , because the ends of the blades go over to supersonic, that is, the air is separated from the blades.

Once again, I’ll explain, sorry I didn’t immediately explain it, we are talking about the horizontal flight speed achieved by the propeller thrust.
Yes, the threshold for blocking turned out to be flow disruptions at near and supersonic, I confused it with the lack of power of the piston motors, there it was more about the "forehead". Thank.

[lucul]

Yes, the threshold for blocking turned out to be flow disruptions at near and supersonic, I confused it with the lack of power of the piston motors, there it was more about the "forehead". Thank.

Because of it, the power is not enough.
We can come to a consensus.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: lucul

Because of it, the power is not enough.
We can come to a consensus.

[Yurahip]

Just a circle of skillful hands at the Washington house of pioneers!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sentinel-vs

Indeed, how can a helicopter take off with such an atmosphere density?

And if you cross it with an airship?

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Sentinel-vs

They write that the density of the atmosphere of Mars on the surface is approximately comparable to that of the earth at an altitude of 40 km. On Earth, at such an altitude, only powerful jet planes or stratospheric balloons fly. Indeed, how can a helicopter take off with such an atmosphere density?

But the parachute soft-landing system is somehow used, and with a relatively small canopy size.

First photos on the surface of Mars.

[Mordvin 3]

Everyone forgot something, what kind of gravity is there.

[Avior]

The acceleration of free fall on Mars is 3,7 m / s2, that is, 0,38 from the earth

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Avior

The acceleration of free fall on Mars is 3,7 m / s2, that is, 0,38 from the earth

I remember this from childhood when I read Azimov.

[Cowbra]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

will the mass of an aircraft on Mars be equivalent to 60 kg on earth?

Mass - will not Weight - maybe

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Cowbra

Mass - won't laughing Weight - maybe

Mass, weight, I rested on the density of the atmosphere.

[The eye of the crying]

You skipped all physics at school. Mass will be equivalent everywhere, but weight will not.

[Cowbra]

And you skipped one object, but it cuts everything off for you. The subject was called Russian.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

You can think of me as an idiot, but as a helicopter you can fly at 1% of the density of the earth's atmosphere and weight in 600 grams (already on Mars). I understand that the dependence is nonlinear, but at such a density (the density of the atmosphere and not the force of gravity, I emphasize), will there be weight LA on Mars equivalent to 60 kg on the ground?

Take a walk, the officer's daughter

[The eye of the crying]

Most importantly, you will remember a simple thing: weight depends on gravity, but not mass. Don't try to understand - just remember.

[Cowbra]

The main thing to remember is that you don't know Russian so much that you need to take a retraining course in it. And not from the curator, but from someone who really knows the language. You didn’t understand nicherta even when you were quoted from the post to which the answer was given. And they didn't even understand the simple word that they said to you: GO!

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: Cowbra

you do not know Russian so much that you need to take a refresher course in it. And not from the curator, but from someone who really knows the language.

But why are you so bombarded ... and try to control paranoia with drugs.

[Revolver]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

how can a helicopter fly

So we'll check how we can. And something tells me that at least somehow, but it can. And about how much better ground forces with drones are about the same, but without, ask Azerbaijanis and Armenians.

[Blackmokona]

Because there the gravity is lower

[tralflot1832]

What surprises me is not that they flew, but how long they have rovers working in time afterwards.

[Kart]

And we flew - this is also an excellent result, especially the landing.
Really the work of many specialists.
Moreover, it will not be possible to correct something from the Earth at the last moment. All by myself.
Cool.

[A. Privalov]

the creation of which was spent about $ 2,5 billion.

This, of course, is a shtnik and got excited. Yes, such grandmas could have poured an entire street with asphalt and even a little more for new sidewalk tiles, but it's still great that a piece of iron is rolling on a neighboring planet, millions of kilometers from Earth. It's like steering a radio-controlled model, only a thousand times cooler.

[Dikson]

You forgot to mention in a separate article the financing of the replacement of the curb stone .. how can you lay tiles without a curb ??? Speaking of roads - today I read the information - some Chinese are building a road at a speed of 1 km per hour ..)))

[lucul]

some Chinese are building a highway at a speed of 1 km per hour

On rocky ground or even on a rock is not a problem. The problem is to put on permafrost)))

[Dikson]

You are wrong .. to put it on the permafrost is not even a problem at all, but our everyday reality .. Here's how to make sure that the road does not float away in six months ... - this is a problem ..

[lucul]

You are wrong .. to put it on the permafrost is not even a problem at all, but our everyday reality .. Here's how to make sure that the road does not float away in six months ... - this is a problem ..

Putting down is not a problem ... but a problem - how is it? ))))
Tsimes is that the costs for 1 km of the route for rocky soil and permafrost are simply not comparable.
The whole problem of the USSR with asphalting roads was that asphalt was laid on the sand, and rubble was plundered.

[Dikson]

They plundered the crushed stone ... yes .. now we have learned ... - it is enough to lay a little bit of another instead of one rubble .. - and your office will again receive money in a year to repair the same road! People think about the future ...)))

[lucul]

They plundered the crushed stone ... yes .. now we have learned ... - it is enough to lay a little bit of another instead of one rubble .. - and your office will again receive money in a year to repair the same road! People think about the future.

Putin signed a decree - after the road was built - the maintenance of the road (repair) for the next 5 years only at the expense of the builder.

[Dikson]

.. I have never heard that we have laid the roadbed at such a speed ..))

[lucul]

I have never heard of a roadbed being laid at such a speed.

For example, China in 2 years, from 2016 to 2018 (like these years) produced more concrete than the United States for the entire 20th century.
So what ?

[Dikson]

And nothing ..)) Look how many cities the Chinese have built in these two years .. and the number of skyscrapers in these cities .. That's all this concrete ..

[A. Privalov]

Quote: Dikson

You forgot to mention in a separate article the financing of the replacement of the curb stone .. how can you lay tiles without a curb ???

I respect Muscovites and residents of St. Petersburg. In order not to offend anyone, I call this product BORDUBRIK.

[lucul]

This, of course, is a shtnik and got excited. Yes, for such money it would be possible

It was possible to warm Texas, but they chose the rover - the completely cannibalistic authorities in the White House do not regret their citizens))))

[Puppeteer 111]

At this time, a collection of Rogozin's poetry is being prepared for the first publication. Let's applaud, comrades.

[Quadro]

Bot, there our device has been hanging from Mars for a long time, but you just don't look for it, you are eating PR.

[hydro]

PR is not PR, but NASA does things, and Rogozin dishonors the Russian space industry with his statements!

[Puppeteer 111]

Don't write nonsense. The Trace Gas Orbiter (TGO) is a spacecraft for studying the origin of trace gases in the Martian atmosphere from the orbit of an artificial satellite.
Apparatus created under the program "ExoMars" by experts from the European Space Agency. Two of the four scientific instruments developed at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

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Quote: Puppeteer 111

Apparatus created under the program "ExoMars" by experts from the European Space Agency. Two of the four scientific instruments developed at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Then why don't you continue the selected text?

And there it is clearly written:

"The agreement provides full participation of Russian scientists and engineers in all international scientific and technical groupscreated within the framework of the ExoMars project, as well as equal rights of Russian and European project participants to scientific data. Russia participates in the launching of vehicles into space and in the scientific program of both stages of the project. "

[Venya Selnikov]

It's all lovely, but this is the degree of participation that individual countries from the EU, Canada, India, Great Britain, and so on have long had ...
But there is a higher level - when, like the Americans (or the EU, the Japanese), a mission is organized by some country, and other countries are only invited to participate.
On "Perseverance" there are devices from the EU, Canada, and other countries.
But most of the work and organization was done by the Americans.
Therefore, the mission is theirs.
With international participation of other countries.
And all countries participating in the project get access (their scientists and engineers) to the materials of the mission. They (scientific data) become common to the project, regardless of whose country's apparatus received it. This is generally the default, and there is nothing to highlight it in bold. General practice of international projects.

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Quote: Venya Selnikov

It's all lovely, but this is the degree of participation that individual countries from the EU, Canada, India, Great Britain, and so on have long had ...

You are wrong. In this particular case, the program is joint and with a separate level of competence. Europeans are doing something, and we are doing something.

Quote: Venya Selnikov

But there is a higher level - when, like the Americans (or the EU, the Japanese), a mission is organized by some country, and other countries are only invited to participate.

In this case, Russia and the EU are equal partners. Is this unclear to you?

Quote: Venya Selnikov

On "Perseverance" there are devices from the EU, Canada, and other countries.
But most of the work and organization was done by the Americans. Therefore, the mission is theirs.

Our projects with Germany (Spectr-RG), with Spain and Japan (Spectr-UF), etc. have been implemented in a similar way.

Quote: Venya Selnikov

With international participation of other countries.

Thus, with the participation of Russia, the projects "Integral", "Mars-Express", "Venus-Express", "Curiosity", "Lunar Orbital Reconnaissance" have been implemented and the "Beppi Colombo" is being prepared for implementation (is in flight).

Quote: Venya Selnikov

And all countries participating in the project get access (their scientists and engineers) to the materials of the mission.

In all the cases described above, except for ExoMars, applications for national programs were drawn up in advance and were considered within the framework of project quotas. For example, at the Integral astrophysical laboratory, Russia has 25% of its working time for its own scientific research.

Quote: Venya Selnikov

They (scientific data) become common for the project, regardless of whose country’s apparatus received it. This is generally the default, and there is nothing to highlight it in bold. General practice of international projects.

As for the first part of the ExoMars project, although the platform is controlled by the European MCC, we directly receive data from scientific instruments under the national program through our Deep Space Communication Centers.

[leks]

Well done. Whoever said that but NASA is at the forefront of Mars exploration.

[Kart]

It is starting with the Moon at the forefront. Complex projects.
Whoever says anything.
Even the American segment of the ISS looks frankly more modern than ours.

[leks]

Totally agree with you.
Unfortunately, we can only rejoice at their success in the exploration of near and deep space. We can only wait and hope for future projects and starts from the Republic of Kazakhstan.

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Quote: Carte

It is starting with the Moon at the forefront. Complex projects.
Whoever says anything.

I will tell. We have no less complex projects starting from the Moon.

Quote: Carte

Even the American segment of the ISS looks frankly more modern than ours.

In general, the design of our modules was created in the 70s. American - in the 80s. BUT .... our modules are autonomous spacecraft that reached orbit on their own, of course, except for small compartments. MLM-U "Science" will also go to the station on its own. And it will undock itself if a decision is made to flood the station in 2024. American barrels will not be able to do this and will go to the bottom.

There is one more funny moment - our modules have a floor and a ceiling, which is very convenient for an astronaut - you can immediately see where to the left. where is the right. In American - I had to sculpt top-bottom pointers, otherwise the astronauts stupidly lost their orientation. In addition, our modules are equipped with full-fledged cabins with a view of the Earth, as in Clark's "Space Odyssey".

[Quadro]

Well, yes, our device is in Mars orbit and at least 2 of our discoveries are probably a loss, and the landing of the tractor is a victory. The real problem is that data can also be collected from orbit.

[hydro]

Don't cry, take a handkerchief, wipe your tears, cuadros, our project is only one demonstrator so far) and NASA has more opportunities than Roscosmos)

[Observer2014]

American Mars rover Perseverance makes a successful landing on the surface of the Red Planet

Congratulations! And we are waiting with interest for news from the red planet.

the creation of which was spent about $ 2,5 billion.

Of course it sounds utopian. This is where humanity would be over the years if NASA changed its budget with the Pentagon !? Probably in twenty years the satellites of Jupiter would have mastered.

[Kart]

No.
With these technologies, Mars is a year away, and even then weighing a couple of tons.
Whatever super robots are, you need to deliver them with something. And this is still the main limitation.
Like a robotic power source.

[Yuri Stepanov]

I should have seen Korolyov what our astronautics has become ... I would have killed them all.

[paul3390]

If Comrade Stalin had seen what we turned the country into - I'm afraid to even imagine a reaction ...

[Kart]

Really. Asphalt roads with lighting, factories of the XXI century.
Yes, you have to shoot for that.

[Roman070280]

Even in Africa, the barmaley switched from camels and spears to Toyota and Kalash ..
The natural offensive of the XNUMXst century should not be counted among the merits of some rulers ..

[Yurahip]

But we make Zircons and Poseidons ... And in general, we pile on the whole world so that we are there to some kind of Mars ...

[Lech from Android.]

We are doing the right thing, more Zircons and Poseidons to guarantee that the US will not attack us.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Lech from Android.

We are doing the right thing, more Zircons and Poseidons to guarantee that the US will not attack us.

you also say that thanks to the Zircons and Poseidon, the Americans had to attack distant Mars

[Lech from Android.]

But how can I say so. You saw Schwarzenegger on Mars as a freedom fighter for the Martians.

[Roman070280]

This will not help everyone .. they will attack you anyway ..
At night, from under the bed ..))

[Quadro]

Well, an amerophile like you does not know that in Mars orbit, and so our apparatus is, which made 2 discoveries.

[hydro]

Well done device, keep it up! Does the device broadcast Rogozin's songs?

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Quote: hydroy

Well done device, keep it up! Does the device broadcast Rogozin's songs?

In fact, a cart and a cart are open, but the songs are sung exclusively to the accompaniment of such Martian panoramas:

[Lech from Android.]

Well, the Americans can be congratulated on their achievement, it's sad that our Roscosmos has nothing to congratulate on ... The results of the work of this organization are extremely weak.

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Quote: Lech from Android.

Well, the Americans can be congratulated on their achievement, it's sad that our Roscosmos has nothing to congratulate on ... The results of the work of this organization are extremely weak.

You can congratulate on this result.

RGB-map of the sky, built by the SRG / EOSITA telescope from the sum of the first two sky surveys. The colors on the map correspond to the energy ranges: red - 0.3–0.6 keV, green - 0.6–1.0 keV, blue —1.0–2.3 keV. Numerous bright points are sources of X-ray radiation recorded by the telescope. It is impossible to depict everything on this map (almost a million!) sources recorded during the year of observation. The resolution of the card allows you to see only the brightest of them. The wide dark stripe near the hemisphere's equator corresponds to the position of the plane of our Milky Way Galaxy, which is filled with cold gas and dust that absorb soft X-rays. Thermal radiation from hot gas in the halo of our Galaxy is also visible. The bright yellow and orange areas on the right side of the map are the "erosite bubbles" that include the North Polar Spur. Bright sources in the center of the map are remnants of supernovae (among them the Loop in Cygnus) in the star-forming region in the constellation Cygnus and famous objects: the black hole Cygnus X-1, bright accreting neutron stars Cygnus X-2 and Cygnus X-3 in close binaries systems and the most powerful radio galaxy Cygnus A with jets millions of light years long. X-ray images of these and other brightest sources are somewhat blurred due to single scattering in the optical system of the telescope.

[rocket757]

Man has been looking at Mars for a long time ... how many books have been written!
What's next on the research list ???
Although, of course, even the moon was so slightly stepped, it is far from real research!

[cniza]

The main thing is to take such steps, but we are still watching, I hope so far ...

[rocket757]

Welcome
Let's not talk about the sad on the eve of the HOLIDAY!
Let's remember Epstein, that everything is relative .... even better, let's remember the fellow lecturer, the astrologer, performed by Filippov !!!!
Mars is best viewed with ... a "instrument" with three stars !!! but better with five!

[cniza]

Good time!

The lecturer performed by Filippov was right! ...

[rocket757]

Well, yes, it is worth listening to outstanding people, and not just any rascal.

[rocket757]

The mistake came out .... Einstein's theory of relativity, of course.

[Dikson]

Epstein then what did not please you ?? )))

[rocket757]

The bug has already been fixed.

[Lech from Android.]

It's late, we've already recorded everything.

[rocket757]

Come on, for such "little things" and put on a pencil!
And finally, this is a glitch ...

[cniza]

The United States sent the rover to the Red Planet on July 30, 2020, with the Atlas V launch vehicle launched from the Cape Canaveral launch site.

We are still dreaming ...

[rocket757]

We lace up the boots ... although some of the next towers / buildings are being built, because they are already tired of trampolines.

[cniza]

I have the impression that we are only ironing laces ...

[rocket757]

We are not allowed to look so deeply ... they cover us with verbal husks so that it is difficult to get through it! Although, by the end result, everything will be visible ... but this is somewhat later, when the "gallant talkers" "pile up the hay" and roll off home!

[cniza]

Here you don't need to look deeply, you can see everything by external signs, such a program and preparation must be done for a long time ...

[rocket757]

That's right, IT IS NECESSARY TO DO, and not to pull trampolines.

[cniza]

Yes, a shoemaker should make boots, and a baker should make pies ...

[rocket757]

And BOLTUNOV, you can't be allowed anywhere!

[cniza]

Why announcers, you are always welcome ...

[rocket757]

The announcer .... all the better a professional announcer than an inspired chatterbox.

[cniza]

With professionals nowadays, the tension is everywhere ...

[rocket757]

Yes, this is a profession in which talent is needed and is a must.

[Quadro]

The main thing is to cry, but you can forget about our apparatus in Mars orbit with its discoveries, because it's not cool for youth and there is no ton of PR

[rocket757]

Does Russia really have anything to remember in this direction?
The USSR launched and flew ... the last time in 1988. And more, everything did not grow together.
Those. without begging the achievements of ancestors, there are many, many questions to the "descendants".

[hydro]

Don't cry, why are you crying so much) Not PR not PR. Let's go to the statistics: NASA subscribers - 62 million, Roscosmos - 754 thousand)))))))))))))))) You can continue whining about PR)

[Vadim237]

How long has NASA been in existence and how long has Roscosmos been in existence.

[leks]

Quote: hydroy

Don't cry, why are you crying so much) Not PR not PR. Let's go to the statistics: NASA subscribers - 62 million, Roscosmos - 754 thousand)))))))))))))))) You can continue whining about PR)

Quote: Vadim237

How long has NASA been in existence and how long has Roscosmos been in existence.

NASA was founded in 1958, Roskosmos in 1992.
The question is how long Instagram exists.
Instagram appeared in 2010.
NASA started the page in 2013.
Roskosmos launched a page in 2014.
NASA and Roscosmos exist on Instagram
7 and 8 years, the difference of one year is not significant, but the subscribers are colossal.

[yfast]

Quote: mojohed2012

In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?

You can receive a signal from Mars yourself if you wish.

[KrolikZanuda]

Bravo. All that remains is to congratulate.

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Quote: Dikson

Whose job is this, ISS?

Shop. Navigator platform.

[Dikson]

Thanks for the information .. I just, according to your text about the use of the orbits of navigation devices, I thought that they were Reshetnevtsy ...

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Quote: Dikson

Thanks for the information .. I just, according to your text about the use of the orbits of navigation devices, I thought that they were Reshetnevtsy ...

Not navigation, but communications - the orbit of the "Molniya" satellite.

[Olkhovsky]

Bravo. (I would like to say so to our success, but so far "is as it is").
Space is the future of humanity. It is high time to end all strife between states and to use all resources to conquer outer space.

[Olkhovsky]

In fact, everything is like this

[fa2998]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

2 hours of horny American faces

And we should still admire that the USSR once landed a lunar rover on our satellite? So it was a different country. The Americans are already landing Mars rovers on a more distant object for the third time. And we only have dreams, plans, and a rotation around the Earth. It's sad!

[Vadim237]

Well, why does Russia need these missions to show that we can do the same - there’s a lot of money and apparently not where all these rovers and stations collect the same information that they distribute among all scientists of the world, including Russian.

[Anton Shtopany]

Correctly let them do we then scratch scratches so poo said

[Siberia 9444]

CCCP did galoshes! Space has not been mastered, for that now development is underway, only budget money Well done that they put on Mars, it remains only to observe with envy

[Anton Shtopany]

But our palace was built

[Mikhalych]

I saw this rover in the photo. The design is very delicate. In theory, it should have crumbled when landing on the surface of Mars. And about the helicopter, I generally keep quiet. The density of the Martian atmosphere is about 0,020 kg / m³, the earth's 1,2754 kg / m³. That is, 63 times less dense, i.e. at an altitude of 10-12 km. Which helicopter? Moreover, such as in the video. The lunar hack did not work, they took up the Martian one.

[Infinity]

Have you heard about the fact that the force of gravity on Mars is much less than that of Earth? And they are not fools working at NASA, they made calculations and carried out tests in special. pressure chambers, where the atmosphere of Mars was simulated and where it quite successfully flew. And the low density helps to spin the propellers up to a speed of 2400 rpm, which is almost ten times faster than helicopter ones on Earth. In addition, this is an experimental device, and NASA does not hide it, which will not fly above several tens of meters. Even if it does not fly so well, it is also a result and experience.
"Openwork construction" - their experimental copies and on the Earth the rules go, not to mention Mars with its gravity.
Well, after you write about "Lunar hacks". Surprisingly, real Soviet designers, for example, Chertok and Feoktisov (the latter also flew into space) for some reason say that it is not hack. Probably because they themselves designed space technology, unlike the lunar conspiracy theorists ...

[Mikhalych]

"Openwork construction" - their experimental copies and on the Earth the rules go, not to mention Mars with its gravity.

1. What does it have to do with driving normally? The rover design shown in THEIR photo is not a Transformer. It will drive well, but what about acceleration when hitting the surface?
2. The force of gravity on Mars is only three times less than on Earth, and the density of the atmosphere is 63 times!
3. The previous "Martian" images show hack-work.
4. The total power of the Curiosity rover is only 30 watts !!! And the pictures are like from a photo studio.
5. Personally, I doubt the authenticity. They do not succeed in a hypersonic rocket, but they do it to Mars.
6. You did not include Leontyev among the believers in the lunar swindle.

[Infinity]

Quote: Mikhalych

1. What does it have to do with driving normally? The rover design shown in THEIR photo is not a Transformer. It will drive well, but what about acceleration when hitting the surface?

What impact on the surface? What are you talking about? Is it okay that the landing again, like its predecessor, was carried out using the "Sky Crane" system, which allows the rover to smoothly lower to the surface?
...
Here I started to paint all your points for you, and then I thought: why? You don't even know about the "Sky Crane", you don't know the features of the mission! But how to write comments ...
Better contact the Flat Earth Society, I think you will find many like-minded people there And most importantly, they do not need to read books and find information!

[Mikhalych]

You don't even know about the "Sky Crane", you don't know the features of the mission!

I don’t know. NASA did not report.

Better contact the Flat Earth Society

Where is it?

And most importantly, they do not need to read books and find information!

You can see that you are their guru.

[Vilensky]

https://topwar.ru/177718-kak-sovetskij-sojuz-upustil-vozmozhnost-novogo-velikogo-proryva.html

[Dkuznecov]

Indeed, before drawing "cartoons",
could pull up physics and high school.
Did I understand you correctly ?

[Dkuznecov]

Rogozin responded with dignity by drawing a collage.
Powerful and cruel.

[Dali]

NASA is considering the possibility of getting a place for an astronaut on the Soyuz in the spring of 2021 !!!
https://tass.ru/kosmos/10663311
It will be interesting to listen to the maskafiles when the American again flies on the union ...

shl
This has never happened, and again ...

[Venya Selnikov]

Quote: Dikson

Let's start a religious race in space!

Everyone will twirl their fingers at their temples (maybe not aloud), but no one even scratches themselves to "catch up" like that.

[Miyamoto musasi]

just applaud !!

[The eye of the crying]

Almost all drivers are kernel modules, so it is illiterate to say "kernel modules, let alone drivers". I think that after the implementation of KMS, there are no user-space drivers left at all - at least I don't know about them.