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American Mars rover Perseverance makes a successful landing on the surface of the Red Planet

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American Mars rover Perseverance makes a successful landing on the surface of the Red Planet

The American Mars mission, which reached the Red Planet, landed safely on the surface of Mars on Thursday. It is reported by the US National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA).


The unmanned station that landed includes the Perseverance rover, equipped with a special Ingenuity helicopter. The landing was carried out at 23:55 Moscow time. time. in the vicinity of the Yesero crater on the equator of Mars, about three minutes later the device transmitted the first two black-and-white images of the planet's surface to Earth.

We've just received information that Perseverance is active on the surface of Mars.

- stated in NASA.

The United States sent the rover to the Red Planet on July 30, 2020, with the Atlas V launch vehicle launched from the Cape Canaveral launch site.

The rover itself is a six-wheeled science laboratory the size of a small car, which cost about $ 2,5 billion to create. Dimensions: length - about 3 m excluding the mechanical manipulator arm, width - 2,7 m, height - 2,2 m. The rover's weight is 1 kg.

The device is equipped with seven scientific instruments and an Ingenuity helicopter capable of making five short-term flights at an altitude of about 10 meters. The main task of this mission is to collect and study the properties of sedimentary rocks in order to search for microorganisms that prove the existence of life on the Red Planet in the past.
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  1. HaByxoDaBHocep
    HaByxoDaBHocep 19 February 2021 06: 54
    +25
    At the same time, Roscosmos is selling "Let's go", sadly
    1. Civil
      Civil 19 February 2021 07: 05
      +23

      Full landing video.
      Hello Rogozin and his star cruiser at the lunar base.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 07: 16
        -39%
        Quote: Civil
        Full landing video.

        2 hours of anxious American faces and some cartoons is this a "landing video" ?!
        1. Observer2014
          Observer2014 19 February 2021 08: 00
          +32
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Quote: Civil
          Full landing video.

          2 hours of anxious American faces and some cartoons is this a "landing video" ?!

          You are so burning with hatred for American successes. Tell me, you probably don't touch anything related to America? laughing Such a hyper-patriot in a linen shirt, with a bucket by the well and bast shoes made of natural birch bark. True, not a task. You print patriotic speeches through American Windows and the Internet (also an American invention)wassat Well, what about the video. For example, it is interesting for me to see. I will look with pleasure and ours. If the same news or similar can be removed. In the meantime, we will be happy for the study of space with those who study it in practice. With the Americans, the Chinese ... Yes, for anyone with pleasure. we will observe.
          1. Civil
            Civil 19 February 2021 08: 03
            +7
            In the meantime, let's rejoice for the study of space with those who study it in practice, with the Americans, the Chinese ...

            There is also a new Arab station in orbit ...
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 19 February 2021 08: 35
              +5
              Which was developed and built by the United States, and delivered into orbit by the Japanese
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 19 February 2021 11: 44
                +17
                Well, let's write it down - built by the USA, delivered by the Japanese.
                Will this somehow contribute to the success of Russia in the exploration of Mars?
          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 08: 09
            -15%
            Quote: Observer2014
            You are so burning with hatred for American successes. Tell me, you probably don't touch anything related to America? laughing Such a hyper-patriot in a linen shirt. With a bucket by the well and bast shoes made of natural birch bark. True, not a task. You print patriotic speeches through the American Windows and the Internet (also an American invention) wassat Well, what about the video. For example, it is interesting for me to see.
            Is there a video of the actual landing? And what about Windows, you can cut the power wires to your computer, because they undoubtedly come from a Soviet-built power plant.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 19 February 2021 08: 29
              +13
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Is there a video of the actual landing?

              There the cameraman Martian was supposed to film the landing for Mars News? belay
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 09: 20
              +21
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              after all, they undoubtedly come from a Soviet-built power plant.

              Like this? Did your "Master of Toilet Brushes" say that the USSR did not produce anything except galoshes? Do not equate the current RF and the USSR, do not make this gross logical mistake.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 09: 28
                -27%
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Your "Master of Toilet Brushes" said that the USSR did not produce anything except galoshes
                The toilet brush is your prerogative, yours and the master. As for Putin, (are you talking about him?), He is the leader of my country, not the lousy one.
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Do not equate the current RF and the USSR, do not make this gross logical mistake.
                Where are you broadcasting from?
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 09: 50
                  +20
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Do not equate the current RF and the USSR, do not make this gross logical mistake.
                  Where are you broadcasting from?

                  What can you refute? The USSR and the Russian Federation are antagonistic states. The current RF, parasitizes on the wreckage of the USSR, not forgetting to spit on it at the same time. Built by the ideological heirs of Vlasov and Krasnov.
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  As for Putin, (are you talking about him?), He is the leader of my country, not the lousy one.

                  Only he protects not the interests of the people, but the interests of the Potanins, Chubais, Grefs and others like them.
          3. lucul
            lucul 19 February 2021 08: 27
            -32%
            You burn so much with hatred for American success.

            And you to the Russian.
            An ardent defender of American democracy.
          4. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 19 February 2021 08: 46
            +36
            Space cannot be American, Russian or Chinese. This is the property and conquest of ALL humanity. And I am frankly glad when grains of information reach us. It does not matter who collected.
            So I'm just glad of this landing.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 19 February 2021 08: 57
              -2
              And how we are all happy with the flight of the striped ones to the moon in the last century, words cannot describe them at all, some interjections. fellow laughing
            2. slipped
              slipped 19 February 2021 10: 02
              +16
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              And I am frankly glad when grains of information reach us. It does not matter who collected.


              Well, for four years now, our ExoMars mission, together with the Europeans, has been taking place in Mars orbit, the TGO probe takes beautiful photos of Mars, here is another picture:



              This fake-color image of Moni's Martian Crater shows impressive color contrasts that reflect compositional differences and are visible through color filters.

              At the rim of the crater, dark blue basaltic sand covers lighter bluish outcrops of bedrock (possibly low calcium pyroxene). The yellowish material present in and around the crater is the characteristic Martian iron oxide dust that appears slightly reddish in true color. On the walls of the crater, small ravines are visible, trapping basalt sand.
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension 19 February 2021 12: 17
                +5
                Quote: slipped


                This fake-color image of Moni's Martian Crater shows impressive color contrasts that reflect compositional differences and are visible through color filters.

                In the first seconds my pareidolia showed: Lenin!
          5. APASUS
            APASUS 19 February 2021 08: 52
            -7
            Quote: Observer2014
            You print patriotic speeches through American Windows and the Internet (also an American invention)

            Well licked, so licked!
            Now the whole world should believe the Americans to the death of their lives, on the basis of the fact that they invented Windows?
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 09: 25
              +6
              Quote: APASUS
              based on the fact that they invented Windows?

              I do not like Windows, go to linux, what's the problem?
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 19 February 2021 12: 38
                +5
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Quote: APASUS
                based on the fact that they invented Windows?

                I do not like Windows, go to linux, what's the problem?

                Whether I like Windows or not, I now have to pray for the Americans for this invention?
                1. MrFox
                  MrFox 20 February 2021 13: 47
                  +2
                  In this context, "like" is written without a soft sign. In the USSR, they also taught this.

                  Linux of American origin, Linus will not let you lie
              2. Antidote
                Antidote 19 February 2021 13: 58
                +6
                Linux is also based on American UNIX. Only wooden abacus can correct the situation.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 14: 26
                  +2
                  Quote: Antidote
                  Linux is also based on American UNIX. Only wooden abacus can correct the situation.

                  Almost all linux distributions are open source. "In 1983, Richard Stallman announced the GNU Project, an attempt to create a free Unix-like operating system from scratch, without using the original source code." From Vicki. A short article on Habré: https://habr.com/ru/sandbox/26545/
                2. The eye of the crying
                  The eye of the crying 19 February 2021 15: 47
                  +4
                  Linux (Linux kernel) is written from scratch. This has already been proven even in an American court.
                  1. UserGun
                    UserGun 19 February 2021 19: 04
                    +1
                    Utilities from UNIX are either ported or rewritten in Linux, for which they rank it as .nix systems. Linux is far from the first open source system.
              3. UserGun
                UserGun 19 February 2021 18: 57
                0
                By the way, too, American for the most part)))
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 19: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: UserGun
                  By the way, too, mostly American

                  Justify. This is GNU, it is above the state, or outside the state, as you like.
                  1. UserGun
                    UserGun 19 February 2021 20: 20
                    +4
                    I find it funny when operating systems are classified as state ones))) For some reason, only in the Russian Federation they can! ))) No, seriously))) No OS has ever been announced, American, English, German, Finnish, etc, including Windows, MacOS, Atari, UNIX, VxWorx, CP-M, MsDOS, OS / 2. Of course, they may belong to someone (a company, an educational institution, just a private person), but not a single one, simply falling apart, m @ dak, including the creators, classifies them as state or national! ))) Well, to the question of linux distributions (sorry, but even their creators do not call distributions an operating system, read at your leisure that there is a distribution, this is useful) And it is far from a secret, but the main distributions, such as Debian, Gentoo, Red Hat was created by American programmers. Everything else is just forks. It's funny, but now the forks of forked forks based on the Linux (TM) kernel in the Russian Federation are declared STATE or NATIONAL))) It is necessary to get to this point .... Shame from such "statehood" and the same "patriotic" stupid excuses!
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 20: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: UserGun
                      in the Russian Federation are declared STATE or NATIONAL))) It is necessary to come to this .... It's a shame from such "statehood"

                      The shame is that they are also paid, for legal entities, at least. I do not remember this hour distr. And all the same inherited from distros with the GNU license.)))))

                      Quote: UserGun
                      No OS ever announced, American, English, German .....

                      This is true, but I am a principled opponent of closed source products.
                      Quote: UserGun
                      Well, to the question about linux distributions

                      I understand that, I just wrote to make it clearer.
                      1. UserGun
                        UserGun 19 February 2021 21: 22
                        +1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        The shame is that they are also paid, for legal entities, at least.


                        Nothing to be ashamed of, do not want, do not take. You make money on their software, which means they will take money from you. You pay for your work with money for this, this, and so on?

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        And all the same inherited from distros with the GNU license.)))))


                        Well, there is not only the GNU GPL, there are Apache and BSD and others ... But all this is not important, it is important that the STATE in this case is a banal thief and a cheap muddling, declaring the OS "state" and "national". Such "figures" will go far.

                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        This is true, but I am a principled opponent of closed source products.


                        What's so bad about closed source code? Do you think there are no pitfalls in open source? You are cruelly mistaken.
                    2. Intruder
                      Intruder 21 February 2021 00: 57
                      +1
                      It is necessary to come to such a sink .... Shame from such "statehood" and the same "patriotic" stupid excuses!
                      the usual Russian IT reality, soon also algorithms and uce will be patented, all Open Source and other softwares will become a state and national treasure with a light hand ... wink
                      1. UserGun
                        UserGun 21 February 2021 14: 17
                        0
                        Yes Yes Yes...

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                        Idiocy is already going through the roof, and cutting requires more and more dough)))
                  2. The eye of the crying
                    The eye of the crying 20 February 2021 00: 17
                    +3
                    It is supranational, but written mostly by Americans. And Linux (OS, not just the kernel) - mostly by American corporations. Although both can be freely used by anyone.
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 21 February 2021 01: 02
                      0
                      mainly by American corporations. Although both can be freely used by anyone
                      not only to use, there are two dozen licenses with their own legal restrictions (sometimes seriously conflicting with each other, even in the kernel itself and its modules, not to mention drivers and applications, even system ones, etc.)!
                      1. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 21 February 2021 12: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Intruder
                        not only use


                        You can also not use.

                        Quote: Intruder
                        sometimes seriously conflicting with each other,


                        Talk about conflicts. LGPL vs BSDL smile

                        Quote: Intruder
                        even in the kernel itself and its modules, not to mention the drivers


                        I see a specialist!
                      2. Intruder
                        Intruder 21 February 2021 16: 35
                        0
                        You can also not use.
                        on wooden accounts, count and use a slide rule, by the way, one such on my shelf was preserved even in the LSLO 250-11 case (1975 release) .. wink
                        Talk about conflicts. LGPL vs BSDL
                        and who will be interested here !? If only you !? laughing
                        I see a specialist!
                        moreover, graduated to the heap, with a specialization in robotics ... bully
                      3. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 21 February 2021 16: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Intruder
                        and who will be interested here !? If only you !? laughing


                        I think it will be informative for many.

                        Quote: Intruder
                        I see a specialist!
                        moreover, graduated to the heap, with a specialization in robotics ...


                        This does not prevent you from confusing kernel modules with drivers smile
                      4. Intruder
                        Intruder 21 February 2021 17: 02
                        0
                        This does not prevent you from confusing kernel modules with drivers smile
                        and where and in what I confused them !? It has become more interesting ... laughing
                      5. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 21 February 2021 17: 07
                        0
                        Almost all drivers are kernel modules, so it is illiterate to say "kernel modules, let alone drivers". I think that after the implementation of KMS, there are no user-space drivers left at all - at least I don't know about them.
                      6. Intruder
                        Intruder 21 February 2021 17: 12
                        0
                        Almost all drivers are kernel modules, so it is illiterate to say "kernel modules, let alone drivers".
                        You are now pinned, so !? :)))))
                        1. Not all kernel modules are drivers. For example, a relatively recent feature of the Linux kernel is that you can load a different process scheduler. Another example is that more complex types of hardware often have several layers in common that are between the low-level hardware driver and the user interface, such as the USB HID driver, which implements a particular element of the USB stack, regardless of the underlying hardware;
                        2. The kernel module may not be a device driver at all ..., "kernel driver" is not a well-defined term, it is a kernel module that does not control any hardware and therefore cannot be considered a "device driver";
                        3. There are, however, kernel modules that are not device drivers but are actually useful, such as modules that provide kernel debugging / performance information .... wink
                      7. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 21 February 2021 17: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Intruder
                        You are now pinned, so !? :)))))


                        Not. I, too, forgive God, a specialist with a diploma, not in robotics, but in system programming. Writing Linux drivers is part of my job.

                        Quote: Intruder
                        1. Not all kernel modules are drivers.


                        I know. Moreover, I wrote it.

                        Quote: Intruder
                        2. The kernel module may not be a device driver at all


                        You already said this in point 1.
                      8. Intruder
                        Intruder 21 February 2021 17: 35
                        0
                        Not. I, too, forgive God, a specialist with a diploma, not in robotics, but in system programming. Writing Linux drivers is part of my job.
                        colleague means ... hi Well then, why should we argue with you, everyone knows their area, I hope so, honestly !? Although at the KibEVS department, we looked at the system ones, a little differently, so to speak, but we always drank together ... wink
                      9. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 21 February 2021 17: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Intruder
                        colleague means ...


                        I don't understand anything about robotics. Although, probably, my specialists work with you.
                      10. Intruder
                        Intruder 21 February 2021 17: 59
                        0
                        I don't understand anything about robotics.
                        Yes, nothing too complicated, as our head of the department said (he is no longer with us, he was the smartest man with humor): "... a little mechanics, a bunch of dumb electronics and a handful of mathematics .." wink
                      11. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 21 February 2021 18: 43
                        +1
                        He didn't want to frighten the students.
                      12. Intruder
                        Intruder 21 February 2021 19: 49
                        0
                        He didn't want to frighten the students.
                        well, perhaps, although at the department when I studied, everyone was not shy there (but that was a long time ago) ... winked
  • Proxima
    Proxima 19 February 2021 09: 48
    +15
    Quote: Observer2014
    In the meantime, we will rejoice for the study of space with those who study it in practice. With the Americans, the Chinese ... Yes, we will be happy to observe anyone.

    As for the Martian programs, it is too early to rejoice for the Chinese. Well, the Celestial Empire has no luck with missions to the Red Planet! Conversely, let's be glad for the Indians. good drinks Their apparatus "Mangalyan" worked perfectly in the near-Martian orbit. As for us - SHAME !!!! negative Soon we will rejoice at the success of Honduras and Burkina Faso! Hello to cheap balabol Rogozin!
    1. cmax
      cmax 19 February 2021 21: 57
      +2
      Quote: Proxima
      Quote: Observer2014
      In the meantime, we will rejoice for the study of space with those who study it in practice. With the Americans, the Chinese ... Yes, we will be happy to observe anyone.

      As for the Martian programs, it is too early to rejoice for the Chinese. Well, the Celestial Empire has no luck with missions to the Red Planet! Conversely, let's be glad for the Indians. good drinks Their apparatus "Mangalyan" worked perfectly in the near-Martian orbit. As for us - SHAME !!!! negative Soon we will rejoice at the success of Honduras and Burkina Faso! Hello to cheap balabol Rogozin!

      It's not even cheap at all! A very wealthy person. Will in the country (a couple of thousand square meters) after a while write about the trampoline and other memories such as memoirs to write. But seriously, he worked in the VSUE in Moscow, where the drivers, mechanics, and the chiefs of the convoy, who pulled the main job on themselves, received a penny in comparison with the "effective" managers in the Central Office. Therefore, there is a lot of turnover at the bottom, professionalism is not in honor, the main thing is the hanging tongue and the ability of managers to save money (200 new tractor units were bought for maintenance, and only half of the money was allocated for maintenance) and so on in everything. But the premiums were written out for themselves wow. So in Roskosmos, who will work there for 30-50 thousand rubles and collect and invent something new for this money. There are no personnel, no new ideas, no money, even Soviet-era technology no longer flies, docks in manual mode (the last flight of Progress), and that is, high-ranking and highly paid leadership.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 21 February 2021 01: 06
        0
        There are no personnel, no new ideas, no money, even Soviet-era technology no longer flies, docks in manual mode (the last flight of Progress), and that is, high-ranking and highly paid leadership.
        But, new trademarks have been registered, plus songs and tweets with Instagram photos !? wink
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 February 2021 10: 06
    +10
    Quote: Observer2014
    You are so burning with hatred for American successes. Tell me, you probably don’t touch anything connected with America? ... In the meantime, we will rejoice for the study of space with those who study it in practice. With the Americans, the Chinese ... Yes, for with pleasure we will watch.

    In this sense, our "First Channel" presented the news in an interesting way.

    They say that a certain device "Perseverance", whose affiliation is not specified, landed on Mars ... BUT it is specified that the results of research of this mission will have to wait 10 years.
    Rogozin, even after this news, apparently should scratch his turnips.
  • FrankyStein
    FrankyStein 19 February 2021 12: 44
    +3
    And you are burning with stupidity. If the creator of the ray tube had advice, then the gringos didn't even have the right to pour shit on advice through the TV? Or when the union was the first to launch a satellite, and then a person, the gringos admired and rejoiced for the success of all mankind? Aha shchaz straight, they blazed with a nuclear flame.
    1. Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)
      Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg) 19 February 2021 15: 10
      0
      Did you write Zvorykin into the Bolsheviks?
      The flexibility of patriotic thinking never ceases to amaze.
  • Nick rex
    Nick rex 19 February 2021 19: 48
    +4
    But the previous speaker is right. I also did not see the rover landing.
    mb you should give the correct description
  • Cynic
    Cynic 23 February 2021 12: 19
    0
    Quote: Observer2014
    to American success

    Let’s call a spade a spade, if you are for accuracy: Success of NASA (USA), by the way, one of the most successful federal projects. Experts from all over the world work, and the result is NASA.
    Yes, even
    Quote: Observer2014
    internet (also an American invention

    Thanks cheered ...
  • mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 19 February 2021 08: 00
    -33%
    Exactly. This is from the same series as how effectively the not yet existing American hypersonic missiles will destroy enemies in cartoons.
    In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?
    Otherwise we remember the flights to the moon and landing on it (remembering the skeptics and a bunch of evidence), Kubrick's confessions, as well as the fact that the Saturn rocket suddenly disappeared - disappeared and for decades the United States has been unable, in principle, to develop a rocket and a ship that would be capable of would repeat "flights to the moon and the landing of people on it."
    They respect Hollywood and its products ...
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 19 February 2021 08: 24
      +21
      In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?
      laughing Well, confirm. If you can. Who's stopping you from doing this? Forward. Just a couple of billion of hated American money and you will have an automatic station in Mars orbit instead of a yacht and a palace. What is the problem? Where can you deny or confirm the American news from NASA.
    2. stalki
      stalki 19 February 2021 08: 32
      +18
      Exactly. This is from the same series as how effectively the not yet existing American hypersonic missiles will destroy enemies in cartoons.
      In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?
      Otherwise we remember the flights to the moon and landing on it (remembering the skeptics and a bunch of evidence), Kubrick's confessions, as well as the fact that the Saturn rocket suddenly disappeared - disappeared and for decades the United States has been unable, in principle, to develop a rocket and a ship that would be capable of would repeat "flights to the moon and the landing of people on it."
      They respect Hollywood and its products ...
      Come on. They flew to the moon. Materials confirming this are fully in the public domain. And we could fly there, we had a similar rocket, and it would be guaranteed to fly. The history of the issue has never been hidden. And I have no doubt that the Americans have successfully landed the rover. You should not waste your nerves on people who in every possible way belittle the dignity of our country, our people and our potential. This is a kind of natural selection process in today's mediocre society. The closer you are to the trend and to the opinion of the majority, the easier it is to live, like success is guaranteed. Evolution is such a tricky thing, sometimes it gets scary hi
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 08: 36
        -17%
        Quote: stalki
        Come on. They flew to the moon. Materials confirming this are fully freely available
        As well as materials refuting it.
      2. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 19 February 2021 08: 58
        -6
        From the video posted in the comments, in fact, nothing can be seen from the fact that the device from the United States has successfully "parted" and is functioning.
        And the belief in the landing or non-landing of the Americans on the moon is individual.
        This is how anyone likes it.
        hi
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 19 February 2021 09: 05
          +15
          He sends pictures. in the same place the Internet is weak.

      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 19 February 2021 09: 03
        -30%
        Do not tell for an hour, but where did all this equipment go from the striped ones, that they have been purchasing our engines for so many years? And the funny thing is, they cannot copy our engine, well, a stone flower does not come out. But Apollo flew to the Union, I remember that perfectly, 1975.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 19 February 2021 09: 44
          +18
          Why copy the engine? They decided that it was a dead end and it really was a dead end.

          They have their own SLS super-heavy engines - we are waiting for re-assembly tests. The past seems to have failed with an emergency shutdown due to software bugs (Boeing).
          They have their own engines for the world's most expensive rocket today, the Delta Heavy.
          They have their own engines for the usual Delta4.
          They have the most flying rocket in the world - Falcon9, again on their engines.
          They have a BE-4 methane engine for ULA's new medium-heavy rocket, the Vulcan Centaur. Actually, they initially chose not to copy for Atlas, but to create a new launch vehicle with a new fuel pair (methane), which will be relevant until the 40-50s.
          They have a popular small rocket that flies regularly, on their engines - Electron.
          They have a bunch of privateers from Branson with air start to Fireflies from 1t to high.

          What are they buying?
          Engines for Antares launch vehicle - it will fly to the ISS tomorrow. But the rocket almost does not fly (1-2 launches per year) - because it is expensive, only by CRS taxpayers and NASA redeems them. And there they try to throw Antares off the budget every extension, actually burying the rocket.

          Engines for Atlas5 - they buy it for scientific missions and government orders. For it is also expensive. The number of launches was reduced, and sometimes 2-3 rockets were launched per year. In 2020 - 5 including 2 AMS - a rover and a Solar Orbiter, one launch was with the X-37B shuttle, 2 with military satellites for the NRO and the Air Force.
        2. lucul
          lucul 19 February 2021 10: 31
          -12%
          And the funny thing is, they cannot copy our engine, well, a stone flower does not come out.

          To copy, you need advanced materials science.
          The USSR copied a German jet engine in 1 year. And the Rolls-Royce Nin is even less.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 21 February 2021 01: 10
            0
            USSR copied a German jet engine in 1 year
            oh, what wet dreams that - in 1 year copied, also German scientists and designers, copied to a heap, and then gave these damned Americans! ??? laughing
    3. Proxima
      Proxima 19 February 2021 09: 58
      +20
      Quote: mojohed2012
      Exactly. This is from the same series as how effectively the not yet existing American hypersonic missiles will destroy enemies in cartoons.
      In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?
      Otherwise we remember the flights to the moon and landing on it (remembering the skeptics and a bunch of evidence), Kubrick's confessions, as well as the fact that the Saturn rocket suddenly disappeared - disappeared and for decades the United States has been unable, in principle, to develop a rocket and a ship that would be capable of would repeat "flights to the moon and the landing of people on it."
      They respect Hollywood and its products ...

      I would advise you dear to join the society of flat-earthers. It is such a community of "intellectuals" who claim that the earth is flat. This movement is gaining momentum. London has recently hosted a triumphant flat-eart congress, drinks where even more led "irrefutable evidence" of the plane of the Earth. Type in a search engine, for YOU and YOU like it it will be very interesting.
    4. Cosm22
      Cosm22 19 February 2021 11: 01
      +16
      "In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?"
      Interesting ...
      In addition to the Americans, this fact was repeatedly confirmed by Soviet scientists and senior leaders.
      Chairman of the Council of Ministers Alexei Kosygin congratulated the United States on landing on the moon.
      This fact was reported in the editorial of the newspaper Pravda.
      The evening edition of the Izvestia newspaper also reported about him, attaching a photo of astronauts on the Moon to the report.
      On Soviet TV, cosmonaut Konstantin Feoktistov described the landing as "the greatest milestone" and congratulated the American crew on a brilliantly accomplished task.
      Director of the Soviet Space Research Institute Georgy Petrov called the Apollo 11 landing an outstanding achievement of humanity.
      Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR Nikolai Viktorovich Podgorny sent a telegram to President Nixon with congratulations and best wishes to the space pilots.
      President of the Soviet Academy of Sciences Mstislav Vsevolodovich Keldysh called the mission a great contribution to space exploration.
      The Soviet cosmonauts sent a message to the Apollo 11 crew: "We ... closely followed your flight. We sincerely congratulate you on the completion of your wonderful journey to the Moon and a safe return to Earth."
      It is impossible to hear from any Soviet or Russian cosmonaut the game that the adherents of the "lunar conspiracy theory" carry today. It is enough to listen to Grechko, Leonov, Lazutkin and others.
      But stubborn comrades are not penetrated by anything. They are unable to understand that hundreds of scientists, observatories, astronomers, research laboratories and ships from all the leading countries of the world were observing the progress of the mission. Any deviation from the launch trajectory or from the lunar orbit would be instantly recorded by a bunch of instruments and people.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 19 February 2021 14: 36
        +5
        Quote: Cosm22
        But stubborn comrades are not penetrated by anything.

        Don't throw beads, it's all empty .. I once tried to explain to someone - it's useless. I found one who seemed to have reason and said: answer the question, what kind of specialist in rocket and space topics spoke about the lunar sound. To which he gave me one example - Trump's advisor from NASA. As a result, it is nothing more than a fiction of the American troll community! belay That's the whole answer.
  • Machito
    Machito 19 February 2021 08: 09
    +9
    Rogozin doesn't care about American rovers. His fantastic stories are written about Russian epic heroes.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 19 February 2021 09: 06
      -3
      And where did you get the idea that Rogozin was tasked with conquering Mars? Maybe while we need to solve other problems? Such a simple thought did not arise?
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 09: 31
        +4
        Quote: Ros 56
        And where did you get the idea that Rogozin was tasked with conquering Mars?

        And what tasks have you set for Rogozin? What tasks did our government set for the national cosmonautics?
        1. mojohed2012
          mojohed2012 19 February 2021 09: 44
          -3
          Objectives understandable: Shatko-roll, but to support the delivery of their cosmonauts and cargo to the ISS, rarely, but somehow, put satellites into space.
          As for the rest - to cut budgets, make PR, make loud promises and "projects", criticize Musk and all other space launch operators unreasonably belittling their role and overestimating our participation in this.
        2. Ros 56
          Ros 56 19 February 2021 10: 09
          -2
          The question is certainly interesting, but not about my competence and my pension. fellow This is to address Mishustin. hi
          1. Machito
            Machito 19 February 2021 11: 18
            -4
            Quote: Ros 56
            The question is certainly interesting, but not about my competence and my pension. fellow This is to address Mishustin. hi

            Michouston will really mark Rogosmos.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 21 February 2021 08: 52
              -1
              Are you so stubborn as male sheep, forgive the harsh word. Everything that was planned for 2020 by Roscosmos has been completed. This was reported to the President. This is not Rogozin's private shop, to fulfill the wishes of all the whiners on VO. Or do these all-propals at work do what they want? Well, you need to be friends with your head.
        3. slipped
          slipped 19 February 2021 10: 20
          +5
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          And what tasks have you set for Rogozin? What tasks did our government set for the national cosmonautics?


          First of all, the development and use of the domestic space group for scientific, applied and economic purposes. Creation of ground access terminals. Creation of new space systems for Earth remote sensing and communication.

          Achievements of our space - to people so to speak.

          This month another medium hydrometeorological apparatus is flying with us. And although such an orbit has long been used in business for communications, no sounding satellites have ever been launched there. A grouping of such devices will constantly monitor our Arctic region.

          1. Dikson
            Dikson 19 February 2021 10: 52
            +1
            Whose job is this, ISS?
        4. lucul
          lucul 19 February 2021 10: 25
          -5
          And what tasks have you set for Rogozin? What tasks did our government set for the national cosmonautics?

          Existing chemical engines simply cannot fly anywhere. Dead end . We need a new engine.
          1. Venya Selnikov
            Venya Selnikov 20 February 2021 11: 40
            +4
            Who needs to go, not checkers - have long been actively studying the solar system and even go beyond it in chemistry.
            A dead end "in chemistry" is for those who need excuses why this should not be done now.
  • Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 19 February 2021 08: 20
    +15
    It is a pity, sincerely it is a pity that the founders of cosmonautics are not able to create something similar.
    All that remains is to congratulate the Americans and hope that Russia too will catch up with the gap in the near future.
    There is also a Chinese device on the way, and if I am not mistaken, also from Dubai.
    The Martian year however.
    1. Kart
      Kart 19 February 2021 09: 05
      -9
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      It is a pity, sincerely it is a pity that the founders of cosmonautics are not able to create something similar.

      The founders could not repeat a lot of things - a man's flight to the moon, a spacecraft flight to distant planets and beyond the system.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 19 February 2021 09: 21
      +10
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      All that remains is to congratulate the Americans and hope that Russia too will catch up with the gap in the near future.

      I would congratulate not only Americans, but everyone, progressive humanity!
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 19 February 2021 10: 08
        +10
        Yes, NASA can be congratulated. Well done.
        There was, of course, some excitement, although the landing seemed to have been worked out. But nothing happened.
        And the parachute worked normally, and the jet engines of the module did not pump up, and the Sky Crane did not disappoint.
        Now it will be curious to look at the drone flights. What will come of it.
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 19 February 2021 09: 40
      -17%
      Every vegetable has its own time, why are you all sobbing for different reasons? Ah, this is not the case here, ah, it is not that way. For a moment, Russia is the only country in the world that the striped people are afraid of like fire, and with which they speak through their teeth. And Germany threw two sweets and shut up, and with the rest they generally communicate in an orderly tone. What a fashion you have to whine and not respect your country.
      Moscow was not built right away, it will be necessary to drive both to Mars and Venus, everything has its time.
      1. victor50
        victor50 20 February 2021 20: 38
        0
        Quote: Ros 56
        What a fashion you have to whine and not respect your country.
        Moscow was not built right away, it will be necessary to drive both to Mars and Venus, everything has its time.

        Only earlier in this country it was considered an honor to be the first, or not to lag far behind.
    4. slipped
      slipped 19 February 2021 10: 23
      -3
      Quote: smith 55
      It is a pity, sincerely it is a pity that the founders of cosmonautics are not able to create something similar.


      Why not? Here we have created a Martian landing module "Kazachok" with a scientific planetary station. Now it is being integrated with the European rover.



      The launch of the second part of the ExoMars project is expected next year.
    5. lucul
      lucul 19 February 2021 10: 28
      -11%
      It is a pity, sincerely it is a pity that the founders of cosmonautics are not able to create something similar.
      All that remains is to congratulate the Americans and hope that Russia too will catch up with the gap in the near future.

      Do not need .
      It's like trying to make an airplane with a steam engine - you can create it - but insanely expensive and ineffective.
      Russia is developing new nuclear engines as soon as they are ready - only then can we talk about exploring the planets in our system.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 19 February 2021 11: 53
        +8
        The study of planets in our system (if we mean the Solar) has been going on for a long time.
        Since the days of the USSR.
        You do not know?
        1. lucul
          lucul 19 February 2021 12: 36
          +2
          The study of planets in our system (if we mean the Solar) has been going on for a long time.
          Since the days of the USSR.
          You do not know?

          It depends on what is meant by research.
          You can disembark from a ship to an island in the sea and examine it in detail, or you can simply examine the island through a telescope. What research do you think will be objective?
          1. Venya Selnikov
            Venya Selnikov 20 February 2021 12: 55
            0
            Both the first and the second will be objective. It's just that the completeness of research will be different.
    6. HaByxoDaBHocep
      HaByxoDaBHocep 20 February 2021 01: 58
      0
      Capitalist Russia will not catch up with anyone
  • prior
    prior 19 February 2021 08: 42
    -27%
    The American landing mission on the moon continues, but now on Mars.
    Hollywood forever!
  • vadimtt
    vadimtt 19 February 2021 10: 25
    +10
    The landing video will be later, in two or three days. This time, at least three cameras worked during landing. Simply transferring a large amount of data (and the HD form is very thick) will not work quickly, they have not yet carried optical fiber to Mars laughing
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  • lucul
    lucul 19 February 2021 08: 30
    -25%
    Full landing video.
    Hello Rogozin and his star cruiser at the lunar base.

    As if this is something beyond)))
    This is not the first time.
    Second, did you see the price? One device costs only $ 2.5 billion, plus development, plus delivery, in total it will run under $ 10 billion.
    Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners? )))
    1. Civil
      Civil 19 February 2021 08: 35
      +9
      Quote: lucul
      As if this is something beyond)))
      This is not the first time.
      Second, did you see the price? One device costs only $ 2.5 billion, plus development, plus delivery, in total it will run under $ 10 billion.

      Who is to blame that you have brought the country to poverty. The State Department seems to be.
      Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners? )))

      Mocking retirees - you know how. The first on the planet.
      Astronautics is a huge industry, you can pump billions into Vostochny and achieve nothing.
      1. lucul
        lucul 19 February 2021 08: 43
        -13%
        Mocking retirees - you know how. The first on the planet.

        So you want to take this money away from pensioners so that amers can wipe their nose))))
        Who is to blame that you have brought the country to poverty.

        Are you eating the last hedgehogs apparently? )))
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 19 February 2021 09: 06
        -4
        Quote: Civil
        Who is to blame that you have driven the country to poverty

        It's good that we found the last one.
        And then everyone is running, looking.
        And it turns out that lucul is to blame for everything, you wretch.
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 19 February 2021 09: 10
        -13%
        Who is to blame that you have brought the country to poverty. The State Department seems to be.

        And you seem to have arrived from Alpha-Centauri, then it's not for you to judge us. There on your Alpha and put things in order. stop
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 19 February 2021 09: 27
          +3
          Well all guys, I'm going to meet this rover drinks
        2. Ros 56
          Ros 56 19 February 2021 13: 48
          -10%
          It is clear, judging by the minuses, the gathering of followers of the oval is appointed here. laughing
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 19 February 2021 09: 07
      +10
      Um what delivery ??? Are you out there in your mind?

      He flew to Atlas 5 for $ 100 million.
    3. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 09: 33
      +12
      Quote: lucul
      Second, did you see the price? One device costs only $ 2.5 billion, plus development, plus delivery, in total it will run under $ 10 billion.

      Have you seen Mordashev's yacht? How much does it cost?
      Quote: lucul
      Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners? )))

      No, from the Rosmillionaires.
      1. lucul
        lucul 19 February 2021 09: 54
        -7
        Have you seen Mordashev's yacht? How much does it cost?

        Is Mordashov really a state person? And NASA is a government office, but they could have warmed Texas
        ))))
        No, from the Rosmillionaires.

        They will take care of themselves, don't worry.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 09: 59
          +10
          Quote: lucul
          Is Mordashov a state person?

          Mordashev, Potanin, Chubais and other "best people" are the ugly face of our state.
          Quote: lucul
          No, from the Rosmillionaires.

          They will take care of themselves, don't worry.

          And what are you protecting them?
          1. lucul
            lucul 19 February 2021 10: 07
            -7
            And what are you protecting them?

            But you transferred the arrows from amers to us, I was talking about amers))))
            Mordashev, Potanin, Chubais and other "best people" are the ugly face of our state.

            Maybe they are the best people for you.
            For me, the best is the one who created his wealth with his own hands - like Henry Ford, and did not take it away from others by deception.
            1. Roman070280
              Roman070280 19 February 2021 10: 52
              +5
              But you the arrows were transferred from amers to us, I was talking about amers ))))


              As if this is something beyond)))
              This is not the first time.
              Second, did you see the price? One device costs only $ 2.5 billion, plus development, plus delivery, in total it will run under $ 10 billion.
              What are you, want to tear away from the Russian pensioners $ 10 billion? )))


              What is the name of a person who does not even blush?)
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 10: 54
                +1
                Quote: Roman070280
                What is the name of a person who does not even blush?)

                Dazdraput.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 19 February 2021 11: 04
                  -9
                  Dazdraput

                  Very nice, and my name is Vitaly.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 11: 12
                    0
                    Quote: lucul
                    Very nice, and my name is Vitaly.

                    In a particular case, Vitaly, but in a general case?
              2. lucul
                lucul 19 February 2021 11: 03
                -10%
                What is the name of a person who does not even blush?)

                Novel 070280.
                What is written above, but what about him?
                Have you seen Mordashev's yacht? How much does it cost?
                1. Roman070280
                  Roman070280 19 February 2021 11: 11
                  +8
                  I read well ..))
                  After YOU "switched the arrows" "from amers to US" and the answer was given - that US, KGBE, in addition to Russian pensioners, also have all kinds of Mordashevs with yachts ..
                  And if we start to "tear off" with someone, then why from pensioners, and not from them ??
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 19 February 2021 11: 26
                    -10%
                    And if we start to "tear off" with someone, then why from pensioners, and not from them ??

                    Another one, (thoughtfully) or is it just another account?
                    Oligarchs are supported by the state or not?
                  2. Roman070280
                    Roman070280 19 February 2021 11: 45
                    +5
                    Well .. to one of my questions "What is the name of a person who is nonsense and does not even blush ??)" .. instead of an answer - his two questions ..


                    Shl .. oligarchs collect their money on trees .. of course, they have nothing to do with the people or the state ..))
                    Rottenberg just saved up for the palace .. absolutely without any state participation ..))
                  3. lucul
                    lucul 19 February 2021 12: 33
                    -9
                    Well .. to one of my questions, "What is the name of a person who is nonsense and does not even blush ??)

                    The answer was given to you long ago - this is Roman070280.
                    But you only read what you want to see.
                    Rottenberg just saved up for the palace .. absolutely without any state participation ..))

                    You are aware of the difference in words between CONTAINED and accumulated, no?
                    A second question (you generally don't get much the first time) - are Russian oligarchs kept at public expense or not?
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 11: 13
              +5
              Quote: lucul
              What is written above, but what about him?

              Do you want to collect all our comments here? Don't you remember anything already? Do you remember how it all started?
              1. lucul
                lucul 19 February 2021 11: 27
                -9
                Do you want to collect all our comments here? Don't you remember anything already? Do you remember how it all started?

                From the transfer of arrows to Mordashov, but you do not seem to remember.
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 11: 33
                +2
                Quote: lucul
                From the transfer of arrows to Mordashov, but you do not seem to remember.

                There it is Che Mikhalych))))
                Quote: lucul
                Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners? )))

                Answer:
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                No, from the Rosmillionaires.

                Your:
                Quote: lucul
                They will take care of themselves, don't worry.

                My:
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                And what are you protecting them?

                Etc.
              3. Roman070280
                Roman070280 19 February 2021 11: 47
                +5
                I have a second question for Vitaly ..))
                What is the name of a person who is "at least in the eye" ??)
              4. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 11: 50
                +2
                Quote: Roman070280
                What is the name of a person who is "at least in the eye" ??)

                In general or in particular?)))))))
              5. lucul
                lucul 19 February 2021 12: 26
                -8
                I have a second question for Vitaly ..))
                What is the name of a person who is "at least in the eye" ??)

                I repeat the answer - this is Roman070280
            3. lucul
              lucul 19 February 2021 12: 25
              -7
              There it is Che Mikhalych))))

              For the gifted, like you - I repeat, the answer was given to this phrase.
              Full landing video.
              Hello Rogozin and his star cruiser at the lunar base.


              You broke into the conversation and turned the arrows to Mordashov.
              And now - I'm not me and the cow is not mine?
            4. Roman070280
              Roman070280 19 February 2021 12: 35
              +6
              put the arrows on Mordashov.

              Well, yes .. it was necessary to transfer the arrows to pensioners ..))
            5. lucul
              lucul 19 February 2021 12: 40
              -7
              Well, yes .. it was necessary to transfer the arrows to pensioners ..))

              Finally?
              Aren't pensioners supported by the state?
            6. Roman070280
              Roman070280 19 February 2021 12: 56
              +5
              And it never came to you ..
              Oligarchs grow like mushrooms in the forest .. exclusively by the will of the rain ..))
              And the palaces grow on their own .. without reference to the state and pensioners ..
            7. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 13: 03
              +2
              Quote: lucul
              Aren't pensioners supported by the state?

              And the oligarchs "ours" are not supported at the expense of the state? The ruble is "lowered" in whose interests? Tax preferences to whom? Who has offshore business? Who is taking money out of the country? "Rotenberg's Law", no, haven't you? Don't they talk about it on TV? No need to blame a sore head on a healthy one.
            8. Snail N9
              Snail N9 19 February 2021 16: 54
              +2
              This is a pinda ... achievement. This is alien to us. We have: braces, temples and parks "Patriot" ... and more ... Rogozin sings ... pindus ... the sons are celebrating another landing on Mars, and we have our anniversary, another anniversary of "achievements":
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 19 February 2021 10: 42
    +13
    but they could have warmed Texas
    There will be a problem to warm up, in Texas in 99,9% of cases another problem is to cool down. 0,1% is logically neglected.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 19 February 2021 13: 14
    -1
    And how does Mordashov's yacht and Mordashov himself belong to Roscosmos?
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 13: 24
      +5
      Quote: Vadim237
      And how does Mordashov's yacht and Mordashov himself belong to Roscosmos?

      And you try to build a causal relationship between the lack of money in the budget, for the same Roscosmos or the Navy, and tax preferences for "our" oligarchs, their export of capital abroad, offshore tax evasion schemes, etc.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 February 2021 18: 29
        +1
        And where did you get the idea that with all the honesty of payments of taxes by billionaires and Mordashov including - the money from Roskosmos will immediately appear for everything? In Russia, the wear and tear of all fixed assets is 89 trillion rubles, for what, and additional funds from the budget will immediately be directed to these needs and all other critical and acute problems in all spheres, but no matter how not to space - how he received 200 - 300 It will continue to receive billions of rubles a year.
  • albert
    albert 19 February 2021 23: 12
    +1
    Quote: lucul
    Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners?

    Better with Sechin, Usmanov, Deripaska and the like. They will not become poorer.
  • victor50
    victor50 20 February 2021 20: 41
    +1
    Quote: lucul
    Do you want to tear off $ 10 billion from Russian pensioners? )))

    Curious! Why not from the Rosoligarchs? request
  • pytar
    pytar 19 February 2021 10: 05
    +12
    Very difficult landing pattern due to the extremely difficult terrain of the selected area! NASA called it ": moments of horror"! bully Impressive! hi Apparatus robot with artificial intelligence! Here is a video explaining how it happened:

    Truly top technical comprehension! A video of the landing from the cameras of the probe and the rover itself is expected in the next day. We hope that this mission will answer the main question - was there life on Mars and is it suitable for human settlement!
    Interestingly, the United States is leading several lines aimed at the future colonization of the planet! NASA with their rovers and Elon Musk with the Starship ego ...
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 19 February 2021 10: 45
      +7
      Very complex landing pattern
      I know that the signal takes a long time, but when I looked it anyway, it seemed for a second that they would drop it now)
      1. pytar
        pytar 19 February 2021 11: 53
        +6
        I know that the signal takes a long time, but when I looked it anyway, it seemed for a second that they would drop it now)

        If I'm not mistaken, somewhere in 11 minutes! Years of work, sleepless nights, huge expenses and efforts, and everything is decided in just 7 minutes! The tension, of course, goes off scale! You can understand their joy when the landing took place in normal mode! good

        Interesting things will continue! For example they are going to try helicopter as a "remote eye" for a rover! All work, movement will be controlled by artificial intelligence! Really fantastic, I wish you good luck! hi
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 19 February 2021 12: 00
          +8
          Interesting things will continue!
          I am absolutely in solidarity, success and long, fruitful work!
          1. pytar
            pytar 19 February 2021 12: 14
            +7
            I am personally amazed at the high endurance of this cosm. devices! Dozens of years, for millions of kilometers. from the Earth, under unimaginably extreme conditions they continue to perform their tasks! These are incredibly technically complex systems! The quality is fantastic! They are chopping windows into the dark unknown forest of the Universe, step by step! Over the past 20-30 years, humanity has indeed made a huge leap ahead! Respect to everyone who is related to progress, no matter what country and nationality! hi
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 19 February 2021 12: 19
              +8
              Over the past 20-30 years, humanity has truly made a huge leap ahead!
              Real jumping started with Voyager 1977) hi
              Respect to everyone who is related to progress, no matter what country and nationality!
              drinks
    2. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 19 February 2021 10: 46
      -1
      Quote: pytar
      Interestingly, the United States is leading several lines aimed at the future colonization of the planet! NASA with their rovers and Elon Musk with the Starship ego ...


      They lead it, but after the Americans landed on the moon in the 1970s, there was no more forward movement, more likely there was even degradation ... as a person in Earth orbit dangled and dangled, in the USA / Russia they only have time to voice plans - then transfer (or close projects) and start over. SLS has not been able to fly for many years now ... and the light at the end of the tunnel is not visible, Musk is with Starship and well done, but no one knows if he will succeed ... after all, Starship will be presented at a completely different level than Falcon 9 or Falcon Heavy, and if by 2030 it really turns out to fly to the moon on it, it will be a world achievement ... so while everything is rather shaky with the colonization and development of manned astronautics, the same ISS can be up to 2030-2040 (American segment) prolong, but I do not believe in the fast construction of LOP-G (see the story with SLS or James Webb) ...

      The only hope is the PRC, who really implements projects without putting them on the back burner.
      1. pytar
        pytar 19 February 2021 11: 59
        +2
        They lead, but after the Americans landed on the moon in the 1970s, there was no more forward movement, rather, there was even degradation ... like a man in Earth's orbit was dangling and dangling ...

        This is a false impression. All the time passed was the accumulation of information, there was a rapid development of technologies. Competition has intensified, new players have appeared! That's good, competition is good! And the Earth's orbit will always be the basis, the place for working out the next stages, the step from which humanity makes the next step! In addition, the development of the Earth's orbit has a direct reflection on the progress taking place on the Earth. Over the decades, the orbit has become more saturated with devices with a variety of applications. The orbit is more important for the development of applied science, and distant space for fundamental science. As they say, in order to swim to a new land, one must first learn to swim. hi
  • Ural resident
    Ural resident 19 February 2021 10: 24
    +4
    Quote: Civil

    Full landing video.
    Hello Rogozin and his star cruiser at the lunar base.

    Rogozin has something to do with it, people are different: they put a talker and a dreamer to lead such an important industry, so he speaks and dreams. Questions to those who conduct such a personnel policy - are they joking about the country?
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 19 February 2021 12: 57
      +5
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      Questions to those who conduct such a personnel policy - are they joking about the country?
      Leadership positions in state corporations are selected not on the basis of professionalism and experience, but on the basis of loyalty to the president and his policies.
  • krops777
    krops777 19 February 2021 08: 09
    +6
    [quote] At the same time, Roskosmos is selling Let's Go, sadly [quote]

    And what else does he have to do with such funding (10 billion rubles is 60 times less than NASA funding) This is by the way an indicator of the economy, no matter what they say.
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 19 February 2021 09: 21
      +14
      Yes, but this does not prevent Rogozin from building a skyscraper office in the form of a rocket for 25 billion rubles.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 February 2021 13: 17
      -2
      And at the same time, "Specialists of the Russian Space Systems Holding (RKS, part of the ROSCOSMOS State Corporation) have developed and launched into production for promising spacecraft new on-board transceivers for reliable information exchange via the satellite-to-Earth link. , which has no analogues in the Russian market, is realized using only domestic electronic components.

      Transceivers of high-speed radio lines are designed to transmit and receive large-scale target information - satellite images, radar images, etc. The devices consist of receiver and signal shaper modules, a switch and an amplifier operating in the X-frequency range.

      The modules are based on Low Temperature Co-Fired Ceramic (LTCC) technology, which is used by leading telecommunications equipment manufacturers. It provides higher electrical characteristics and thermal conductivity, mechanical protection of monolithic integrated circuits (MIS) and tightness of modules, high reliability and fault tolerance. The use of LTCC ceramics in the creation of ultra-high-frequency (microwave) devices made it possible to move from modules based on metal cases to small-sized ceramic modules, to implement three-dimensional structures inside.

      Andrey BUYANKIN, Head of the RKS Onboard Microwave Devices Development Department: “When developing new microwave devices, we faced the fact that electronic components available on the domestic market did not allow us to achieve the required operating frequencies and significantly complicated the device circuit. As a result, we have mastered the development of our own microwave monolithic integrated circuits. This solution gave us the opportunity to be more flexible in the design of microwave modules. We were able to increase the speed of information transfer, reduce the number of active elements on the board from 18 to 9 and halve the size - from 60 × 60 to 30 × 30 mm. The development of your own microwave MIS takes no more than three months and costs several tens of thousands of rubles apiece, while ordering a new circuit from an external manufacturer, subject to development costs, costs about 60 million rubles. and lasts about four years. "

      The devices are planned to be used in the creation of promising satellites for broadband communication and Earth remote sensing. "
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 February 2021 13: 20
        -4
        "The Supervisory Board of Roscosmos has approved the decision to form a holding company for space instrumentation," said the head of the state corporation Dmitry Rogozin.

        "Today, at a meeting of the Supervisory Board of the State Corporation Roscosmos, a decision was approved to form a holding of space instrumentation on the basis of JSC Russian Space Systems," Rogozin said on his Telegram channel.

        Rogozin notes that it will include 17 companies - design centers, research institutes, design bureaus and assembly plants, "aimed at ensuring complete import independence of the Russian rocket and space industry in the supply of microradioelectronic products for space purposes and instrumentation."

        "The holding is headed by Andrey Evgenievich Tyulin, lieutenant general of the reserve, doctor of economic sciences, candidate of technical sciences," the head of Roscosmos said.

        In May 2020, Rogozin announced that the state corporation Roscosmos is embarking on the second stage of reform: the creation of thematic holdings within the corporation. "
        And our mission together with the Europeans will fly to Mars next year.
        1. slipped
          slipped 19 February 2021 19: 52
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          And our mission together with the Europeans will fly to Mars next year.


          drinks

  • Dali
    Dali 21 February 2021 17: 52
    0
    NASA is considering the possibility of getting a place for an astronaut on the Soyuz in the spring of 2021 !!!
    https://tass.ru/kosmos/10663311
    It will be interesting to listen to the maskafiles when the American again flies on the union ...

    shl
    This has never happened, and again ... laughing
  • Far B
    Far B 19 February 2021 06: 55
    +11
    The United States sent the rover to the Red Planet on July 30, 2021
    This, of course, is unlikely. Something tells me that a year earlier laughing
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 19 February 2021 07: 07
      +4
      Not not ... These are just guests from the future)
    2. Destiny
      Destiny 19 February 2021 07: 43
      +14
      Quote: Dalny V
      Something tells me that a year earlier

      Noticed oshЫbku
      Highlight text and press. Ctrl + Enter
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 19 February 2021 08: 32
        +8
        Quote: Destiny
        Quote: Dalny V
        Something tells me that a year earlier

        Noticed oshЫbku
        Highlight text and press. Ctrl + Enter

        Why? It's more fun ...)))))
    3. WIKI
      WIKI 19 February 2021 08: 47
      +7
      Quote: Dalny V
      This, of course, is unlikely. Something tells me that a year earlier

      "The Atlas V launch vehicle (Atlas-5) with the Perseverance rover was launched on Thursday at 14:50 Moscow time from the cosmodrome at Cape Canaveral in Florida in the United States. The broadcast is conducted on Twitter by the American National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) July 30.
      The research rover is scheduled to enter orbit on February 18, 2021. "
      https://iz.ru/1042039/2020-07-30/raketa-nositel-s-marsokhodom-perseverance-startovala-vo-floride
    4. Flooding
      Flooding 19 February 2021 09: 07
      +5
      Quote: Dalny V
      This, of course, is unlikely. Something tells me that a year earlier

      Back to the Future.
      And what do you think billions have been spent on?
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 19 February 2021 06: 58
    -6

    The American Mars mission, which reached the Red Planet, landed safely on the surface of Mars on Thursday.

  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 19 February 2021 07: 02
    -18%
    Well, this is certainly not bad, but nothing outstanding is a repetition of past successes, "but with mother-of-pearl buttons." There has been stagnation in space for 40 years. One hope that with the race for the moon will break through.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 February 2021 09: 14
      +14
      Well, if you compare it with Viking-1, then this is just an incredible high-tech and a wagon of tools.
      If we compare it with the legendary Opportunity and Spirit, then this is a big step forward, because the chassis can go where those rovers cannot. No solar panels. Many tools, including a functional arm. Laser gun for examining samples.
      If we compare in Curiosity - then the work on errors and evolution.

      In fact, they have only one failure - InSight. Which failed the main research program due to a crookedly designed drill. Rather, due to the lack of elaboration of improvisational solutions, if everything goes wrong. As the drill was not pressed with a bucket, it still jumped out. A simple 20-25 gram holder would have saved the day, but it was not.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 19 February 2021 09: 25
        -9
        Everything that you have described is "with mother-of-pearl buttons". Fundamentally - replacing one technology with an adequate one.
        You see, it's like after the first satellite - not sending manned modules, but replacing them with robotic ones. The same effect, only more bulbs. If they at least built an autonomous self-repairing module there, it would have been a breakthrough, as well as the same repetition. Only buttons are mother-of-pearl.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 19 February 2021 09: 31
          +7
          In theory Voyager and Cassini-Huygens, this is an AMS with a nuclear battery into deep space. And there are more differences than between the flight of Gagarin and the ISS (well, or the flight of the Eagle around the Moon).

          And yes, where does such a craving for piloted? People in deep space are not needed already at this stage. And the gap will only grow further. AMC will be more functional, more compact and more realistic in terms of reliability than humans. People can improvise with the tools they have, this is the only significant advantage. Again, if there was a crew next to InSight, they would dig the area and put the squeeze on the drill => fulfillment of the scientific mission. However, if the developers had foreseen a significant fluffiness of the rock, they would have solved it on the ground and the drill would have worked well as well. But they did not foresee such an opportunity.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 19 February 2021 10: 02
            -7
            You do not hear me. The difference in technology during the Lunokhod-1 missions and the current one, as well as Voyager and Cassini, does not give anything at all, the difference is only in the amount of accumulating data of the same type. Neither Cassini nor Huygens contributes to the use of cocoa data.
            Where did you get about my craving for piloted? Heard nothing again? I wrote about the autonomous module there above. Do you know why it would be a breakthrough? This is a step towards mastering planets or satellites. And this tractor is another sensor. Only now with a radio helicopter. Confused - zero, another array of useless data. By the way, for this it is not necessary to climb to the surface, data can also be obtained from orbit now, but this is not a breakthrough either.
            This is stagnation, stagnation. 40 years the same achievements.
            1. vadimtt
              vadimtt 19 February 2021 10: 36
              +7
              This is how, on a quiet sly, with an array of useless data (you would at least read what is on this device), the Americans colonize Mars, because for them it is not "useless data".
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra 19 February 2021 13: 03
                -3
                Quote: vadimtt
                Americans and colonize Mars, because for them it is not "useless data".

                Clearly. Weighted. Reasoned. The main reason is "I swear by my mother"
            2. Quadro
              Quadro 19 February 2021 10: 42
              -9
              Quote: Cowbra
              You do not hear me. The difference in technology during the Lunokhod-1 missions and the current one, as well as Voyager and Cassini, does not give anything at all, the difference is only in the amount of accumulating data of the same type. Neither Cassini nor Huygens contributes to the use of cocoa data.
              Where did you get about my craving for piloted? Heard nothing again? I wrote about the autonomous module there above. Do you know why it would be a breakthrough? This is a step towards mastering planets or satellites. And this tractor is another sensor. Only now with a radio helicopter. Confused - zero, another array of useless data. By the way, for this it is not necessary to climb to the surface, data can also be obtained from orbit now, but this is not a breakthrough either.
              This is stagnation, stagnation. 40 years the same achievements.

              It is useless to write this to the sectarians of the Amers and NASA. He invented some nonsense in his head and believes in it. Now, even in other systems, they study the same atmosphere without planting a tractor on it, and this is just show-off and not the fact that the tractor is there. But our sect of amerophiles has forgotten that exomars is hanging in orbit and is collecting data for itself without noise and PR. But they don't want to see it.
              1. donavi49
                donavi49 19 February 2021 11: 14
                +5
                But our sect of amerophiles has forgotten that exomars is hanging in orbit and is collecting data for itself without noise and PR. But they don't want to see it.


                Only the orbital part, the main part is in a blaze on the surface. And the new mission was again postponed for 2 years. I am already silent about the fact that Trace Gas Orbiter (what is in orbit) is completely an ESA product, which was collected at the Thales-Alenya site.

                Inside there are two Russian devices - a package of IR spectrometers and a neutron detector. Recent discoveries were made using another device - NOMAD, which was developed in the EU (Spain, Belgium, England).

                Well, and even in orbit, the Indian orbiter Mangalyan is spinning about him, you can also talk wink .


                1. slipped
                  slipped 19 February 2021 20: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: donavi49
                  Only the orbital part, the main part is in a blaze on the surface.


                  Lepehu was made by the Romanians, do not belittle their fantastic achievements in space. laughing

                  Quote: donavi49
                  And the new mission was again postponed for 2 years.


                  All the times through the fault of ESA, and yes, the astronomical window is 2 years old. Our part of the expedition is ready.

                  Quote: donavi49
                  I am already silent about the fact that Trace Gas Orbiter (what is in orbit) is completely an ESA product, which was collected at the Thales-Alenya site.


                  And launched it on a departure trajectory to Mars is completely a product of Roscosmos, which was assembled at the site of the Center. Khrunichev. lol

                  By the way, the Perseverance rover is also launched on the engines of NPO Energomash and has plutonium-238 from Rosatom inside. laughing

                  Quote: donavi49
                  Inside there are two Russian devices - a package of IR spectrometers and a neutron detector.


                  Yes, these are these unique beauties:


                  Spectrometric complex ACS


                  FREND neutron detector

                  Quote: donavi49
                  Recent discoveries were made using another device - NOMAD, which was developed in the EU (Spain, Belgium, England).


                  Wrong. Recently, for the first time in the atmosphere of Mars by direct measurements, hydrogen chloride was detected. The discovery was made by the Russian ACS spectrometer.

                  Also recently, a domestic spectrometer made the first estimates of the CO concentration in the atmosphere, depending on the height above the surface, from 10 to 120 km.
      2. Venya Selnikov
        Venya Selnikov 20 February 2021 15: 58
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        In fact, they only have one failure - InSight.
        We would have such "failures"!
        InSight has:
        - Seismic Experiment for Interior Structure (SEIS) - works
        - The Heat Flow and Physical Properties Package (HP3) - does not work!
        - The Rotation and Interior Structure Experiment (RISE) - works
        - Temperature and Winds for InSight (TWINS) - works
        - Laser RetroReflector for InSight (LaRRI) - works
        - Instrument Deployment Arm (IDA) - works
        - Instrument Deployment Camera (IDC) - works
        - Instrument Context Camera (ICC) - works
        In addition, the flight itself (during which the device collects and transmits data to Earth), like the landing itself, are full-fledged scientific programs. The results of which are carefully studied in the preparation of the next missions.
        Of all this, the only problem is with HP3 (which was developed and prepared by the Germans from DLR for the mission). Such missions are called partially successful.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 19 February 2021 07: 12
    +30
    Now they will write here that this is not a victory or an achievement, and in general no one has flown anywhere ..))) I congratulate all of us on the next success of the American cosmonautics .. And we, in turn, just need to once again redraw the Yenisei on beautiful pictures, Redo all the documentation for the "Angara", consider the fiftieth new concept for coloring the fairings, urgently rename some unfinished product, and finally force all Roscosmos personnel to learn and perform the hits of their leader .. Be that as it may, any success of any country in space is the success of all mankind .. therefore, you and I, and Roscosmos, without any doubt, can be proud of other people's achievements ..
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 07: 52
      -14%
      Quote: Dikson
      To redo all the documentation for the "Angara", consider the XNUMXth new concept for the coloring of fairings

      Tell me, do NASA and Roscosmos have the same budgets?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 19 February 2021 08: 24
        +19
        Tell me - do Roscosmos and NASA employees have the same salaries? Well - except of course the tops, those are clearly American more than overlap .. In general, the impression is that if all our top managers do not pay bonuses for a month - just enough for an expedition to Mars ..
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 08: 34
          -8
          Quote: paul3390
          Tell me - do Roscosmos and NASA employees have the same salaries? Well - apart from of course the tops, those are clearly American more than overlap

          That is, the whole point is in salaries, but actually on equipment, equipment for everything else that NASA and Roscosmos have the same expenses?
      2. Dikson
        Dikson 19 February 2021 08: 41
        +6
        Sidor. I assume your question is purely rhetorical? Tell me, why is Musk able to attract investors to his projects, but for some reason we are not? Maybe you shouldn't have dropped other people's insured devices so often? And will the increase in the budget of our Roscosmos serve as a pretext for an even more energetic revision of concepts and reworking of draft designs? Fly to the moon - "why?" .. Fly to Mars - "why did we forget there .." - this is the message of many comments here .. "Here's how we will remake everything in a new way, so immediately and rush to catch up with everyone .." .. So if everyone understands the difference in budgets, why then does the management scatter loud promises, drawn pictures and projections? Just let them do their job on the sly .. Useful and high-quality .. Look what photos of the wonderful Martian crater got. Good isn't it? I am in favor of not belittling anyone's achievements .. If they really exist.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 08: 51
          -3
          Quote: Dikson
          Tell me, why is Musk able to attract investors to his projects, but for some reason we are not?

          Because these investors are not afraid to pick up sanctions for cooperation with Roscosmos.
          They are remodeling, and will be remodeling. And even to cancel something. This is a normal workflow.
          Remember the film "The Taming of Fire", in particular the words of Bashkirtsev: "Do you want everything at once? And I want it, but it doesn't work that way."
          The commentators here remind me of puberty teenagers who need everything at once. And for them, the lack of all-amazing and super-spectacular attractions is a complete failure.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 19 February 2021 09: 08
            +6
            I'll give you the idea of ​​investing in the Space industry right now - do you want? Let's start a religious race in space! Let the Orthodox Church send the FIRST icon to another planet? How do you like the shining George the Victorious on the Moon? This is much cooler than American statements about the division of territories ..))) Do you know what demand for the delivery of religious symbols may arise ...))) The Chinese will immediately start building a statue of Buddha, the Hindus - the dancing Ganesha ... - everyone will urgently need rockets and technologies...
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 09: 09
              -8
              You lose your composure.
              Breathe deeply, you are excited.
        2. Cowbra
          Cowbra 19 February 2021 09: 04
          -22%
          Quote: Dikson
          why is Musk able to attract investors to his projects

          Because Musk, a drug addict who was kicked out of an African vocational school for poor performance, has the same attitude to these projects as I do to ballet. For example, the Pentagon lit the Starlink satellite a year ago as the latest low-orbit spy satellite. So it's not Musk who attracts money there, for example - who built the start-up site used by Spice-He? And how did it turn out to be from the subordination of NASA to a private owner, and no one even stuttered about money? This is a state project, and the state can simply MAKE it fly on the fact that they need to be passed off as a commercially successful project. Which it does quite successfully.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 19 February 2021 12: 33
            +6
            You know, one of the same gouges was told that he was a complete insignificance and a layman, and that he would not be able to do anything .. And he took and raised the sunken German fleet from the bottom ...)) Elon Musk, no matter how Ostap Bender he seemed, primarily an enthusiast, able to lead people for an idea. And, of course, he is an outstanding businessman ...
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 19 February 2021 12: 54
              -9
              And along the road - the dead with scythes stand. Achievements of the merchant.
              * Tesla is unprofitable. Only 2020 ended without losses, because production was cut due to the pandemic. The question remains, what to do with debts for the unprofitable past years. By the way, it only broke even when the "genius merchant" was kicked out into the cold.
              * Solar City. Found guilty of fraud in order to obtain subsidies from the US government. There is still not a single order.
              * Solar City as a panel manufacturing company. Sales:

              Little red is when the company was bought by Alena Skazka. Brilliant merchant!
              * Hyperloop. Well yes.
              * Armored amphibian on an electric ship. Well yes...
              * Starship ... Well, yes ... They fired up that it was made according to Znayka's drawings. Due to the fact that even Znayka did not collect it with a sledgehammer - Znayka flew to the moon, and not Musk.
              * Starlink. Well, if you do not consider that he was fired up as a Pentagon project, then it does not apply to commerce at all.
              You can go on, about the Gigafactory, for example, and the workers' lawsuits against "our future".
              Is Mavrodi a genius businessman? Same as Musk - and also convicted of fraud
        3. Kart
          Kart 19 February 2021 09: 21
          -6
          Quote: Dikson
          Maybe you shouldn't have dropped other people's insured devices so often?

          It is normal for the insured to drop it.
          Everyone is happy - the device does not need to be operated even with money.
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 19 February 2021 11: 01
            +4
            It's okay to cut money, but it does irreparable damage to your reputation, don't you think so?
        4. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 19 February 2021 09: 26
          +7
          Quote: Dikson
          And will the increase in the budget of our Roscosmos serve as a pretext for an even more energetic revision of concepts and rework of draft designs?

          There are plans to build the headquarters of Roskosmos, in the form of a skyscraper in the form of a rocket in the center of Moscow. Budget appropriate wassat
          1. region58
            region58 20 February 2021 22: 49
            +1
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            rocket-shaped skyscraper

            Or maybe ... that ... the engine is more powerful from the bottom, and even launch these "managers" to the edreny hair dryer ... wassat let them fly. wassat No, it should work out, in the form of a rocket they do it for a reason ... yes This will be an action, everyone's noses in the morning ...
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 09: 36
        +3
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Tell me, do NASA and Roscosmos have the same budgets?

        And who is to blame?
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 09: 42
          -3
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          And who is to blame?

          The volume of the economy.
          The USSR had the countries of the Warsaw Pact and the socialist camp, with which an active trade was conducted.
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 19 February 2021 09: 55
            +3
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            The volume of the economy.
            The USSR had the countries of the Warsaw Pact and the socialist camp, with which an active trade was conducted.

            And who destroyed all this? Who benefited from the collapse of the USSR? Aren't they the ones who are in power now? You are not a stupid person and should clearly trace these causal relationships.
    2. lucul
      lucul 19 February 2021 08: 33
      -17%
      Now they will write here that this is not a victory or an achievement, and in general no one has flown anywhere ..))) Congratulations to all of us on the next success of American astronautics

      Pfff ... It would be better to heat Texas with this money, otherwise the rover is launched, and people themselves freeze from the cold ...
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 19 February 2021 08: 41
        +6
        Texas has its own personal power grid, almost unconnected with the federal one, which is crap.
        Therefore, let them decide, federal money is one thing, and state money is another.
        The same Musk at his cosmodrome in Texas prudently put the panels and batteries and sits not crying. Works quietly.
        1. lucul
          lucul 19 February 2021 08: 46
          -16%
          Texas has its own personal power grid

          It can be seen
          almost unrelated to the federal one, which crap.

          Once you crumpled, it means you don't need to help, is it easier to launch the rover? )))
          The USA does not like its citizens at all)))
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 19 February 2021 09: 07
            +6
            Texas is a rich and developed state filled with gas and oil to the eyeballs. He himself will draw conclusions and build more power plants, power lines and other things
            1. lucul
              lucul 19 February 2021 09: 16
              -10%
              Texas is a rich and developed state filled with gas and oil to the eyeballs. We will draw conclusions ourselves and build more power plants, power lines and other things

              Blah blah blah, but while people are freezing there, while the United States launches rovers - cannibalistic power in the United States)))
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 19 February 2021 09: 27
                +5
                And you about this. Well, I don't like those either. They say it is treated by direct observation of launches and other things.
                There is a story about a group of blacks who came to protest against the costs of the Apollo program, came directly to the launch of Saturn-5, having witnessed the launch of a huge rocket with lightning speed.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 19 February 2021 09: 35
                  -12%
                  And you about this. Well, I don't like those either. They say it is treated by direct observation of starts

                  Uh ... uh ... uh ... you are cold in people, do you want to compensate by broadcasting a rocket launch? ))))
            2. Cowbra
              Cowbra 19 February 2021 11: 48
              -3
              Quote: BlackMokona
              He himself will draw conclusions and build more power plants, power lines and other things

              It is logical, as the USA is always a private cant of one firm. Or the state. If the light went out, for example, in Yakutia, then the Kremlin would be solely to blame, and for the cry "Yakutia will figure it out on its own, draw conclusions and build a power line itself, it is stuffed with gold and diamonds" - you yourself would have been lynched here 100 times. O means objectivity
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 19 February 2021 13: 18
                +5
                Our energy is arranged differently.
                He built a super-centralized state and a vertical of power where even the decision to return the bell to the well is taken personally by Putin. Then you yourself understand for everything the supreme is personally responsible winked
                1. Cowbra
                  Cowbra 19 February 2021 13: 59
                  -2
                  Good position))) At the same time, throw rags if there is a forest fire or a pandemic - there is no one in the United States. True. I don’t remember that private energy companies were banned in Russia. Don't pay the state - make your own energy company - and all the problems are solved, no chubais with Putin can tell you ...
                  And there is also such a problem - emergency situations are always the concern of the government. The government is chosen for that. to help in global things, otherwise why the heck pay taxes to him? Here in the United States - an emergency, and affected not 1, but 6 states. Well, what for is the government there?
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 19 February 2021 15: 08
                    +2
                    So, only Texas has copied, the energy of Texas is dealt with by an organization created and managed by the Texas government, which is elected by the population of Texas. The guys from Washington have nothing to do with this, their laws, orders and regulations do not affect this matter in any way.
                    Thus, the question is for the Texas government, not the US government.
                    All energy in our country is controlled centrally. Our functionaries won't even dream of this.
              2. Venya Selnikov
                Venya Selnikov 20 February 2021 16: 16
                0
                Unlike us, the states have real (perhaps even sometimes excessive) federalism. In which the governor of the state can directly criticize the feds and the central government, or refuse to meet with the president, and he cannot do anything ...
                Most taxes remain within the state, so let Texas figure it out. And he implements them himself. Although, of course, he can ask the federals for help (if the situation is recognized by an emergency).
          2. Kart
            Kart 19 February 2021 09: 22
            -6
            This is another!
            You have to understand!
        2. Cowbra
          Cowbra 19 February 2021 09: 08
          -7
          This is where you found the federal power grid in the United States, when everything is private in the country? laughing
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 19 February 2021 09: 11
            +5
            There are rules and laws, regulation from the Department of Energy.
            Texas has its own state-owned power system, which is not regulated by the Department of Energy, as it has almost no connection with other states. Well, the objects of this energy sector may already belong to private individuals, but the general management is carried out by officials
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 19 February 2021 09: 28
              -9
              Rules and laws, by and large - licensing of the company, everything. There is no federal network, there seem to be 6 private networks of different lengths, uniting even smaller private owners. And in the event of an accident, the "regulatory body" can push its regulation deeply - there will be money - it will give light. And even in Texas. Will not be - they will bask without light in Teslamobiles. Oops ... And in them you can't warm yourself without light either)))
            2. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 19 February 2021 10: 16
              +1
              Texas burned out on green energy. A bunch of wind farms were put into operation, with a low price of kW, h, it seems to have reached $ 25 per megawatt. Private thermal power plants were opened. And here it is cold with winds. Wind turbines are for fun, plus the blades need to be heated. Shale wells are also heated it is necessary that the production does not fall. At the moment, 1 kW, h costs 660 rubles on the wholesale. Somehow, the power engineers get in excess of the profit and do not blow up.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 19 February 2021 10: 19
                0
                Not burnt, traditional sources collapsed.
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 19 February 2021 10: 27
                  0
                  660 per kW / h is not a lot for Texans. I am burning now 500 kW per month and it is with gas. And still, it’s not comfortable. They sit in the dark. Well, Las Vegas doesn’t count, the city of vices should shine like a Christmas tree ...
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 19 February 2021 13: 24
                    0
                    In short, an alternative to green energy and fuel will be thermonuclear, maybe by 2050 it will appear.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 February 2021 09: 11
        0
        Let me remind you a day ago I wrote. The state of Oklahoma, where Trump defeated Biden with almost two-fold advantage because of the cold weather, sits with a gas price of $ 13 per 300 cubic meters. It went up to $ 1000. Next time they will vote as they should. They can take their experience into service, so to speak, love for the population in the American way! wassat Now the money will be recaptured for the Martian expedition. Defenders of American democracy, like the price of gas in Oklphom. In Oklahoma, all millionaires, and Trumpists. Now they will cut the money off! hi
      3. Dikson
        Dikson 19 February 2021 09: 21
        +3
        People freeze there, because their houses are made of plasterboard and multilayer plywood, not concrete and not with walls of two and a half bricks ..))) There was an unverified infa (sorry) that due to the lack of central heating as a mass phenomenon , in good old England, every winter about 10 thousand people freeze to death in their apartments .. In my opinion - a vile lie .. nobody canceled electric fireplaces ..
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 19 February 2021 09: 29
          +4
          They freeze because in history they have never been so cold. Keeping the heating system and building insulated houses in case once a century is such a pleasure
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 19 February 2021 09: 38
            +3
            .. Concerning the warm region - maybe .. We once did a TV show about private construction in the states .. drove from the South to Alaska .. We sorted just all these ECO materials, technologies .. Houses made of pressed hay, plywood and foam plastic ... All the insulation in them - in the basement, the ceiling is filled with foam - that's all ..
          2. lucul
            lucul 19 February 2021 09: 40
            -11%
            They freeze because in history they have never been so cold. Keeping the heating system and building insulated houses in case once a century is such a pleasure

            We won’t have such a winter for 20 years, but we didn’t build houses with less thermal insulation. Probably they think about people, and the USA about profit.
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 19 February 2021 10: 07
          -3
          This is not discussed. In England there is a concept of fuel poverty. In view of the lack of centralized heating, houses are heated with boilers. Not everyone has access to this. Every 9th of us hunts from an Englishman in the cold or in the library or if there are pounds in pubs. And I think that when it's cold in the pub will not be pushed through. By the way, cheaper than here in Sochi. An otedelnaya song with homes for the elderly, dying from cold, gas roads. And a separate song, fashion or tradition, sewage along the facade of a house without isolation. Minus ten and everyone has arrived! hi
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 19 February 2021 11: 55
            +2
            if there are pounds in pubs. And I think that when it's cold in the pub you will not push
            For the price of 2 (two) glasses of beer in a pub - about 11 pounds - you will heat the house all day and have more lighting left over.
            Minus ten and everyone arrived! hi
            It's almost never minus ten here. In any case, I never came.
            A singular song with homes for the elderly, they are dying, gas roads
            In nursing homes, everything is paid for by the state. While not poor.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 19 February 2021 12: 11
              0
              England is also Scotland, it can be colder there. Edinburgh Bar of Lates is a favorite place. I don't like beer, whiskey is cool with clicks. But usually the bartender would persuade, all in one dish and Schweppes separately.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 19 February 2021 12: 19
                +1
                And what, the sewer froze there wassat Or retirees in the tens of thousands?
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 19 February 2021 12: 36
                  0
                  Where I voice 10 thousand There is such a topic, not only you can write about England. There is a topic about inadequate medical personnel. Honestly, I like the Scots more, they are more open.
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 19 February 2021 12: 51
                    -1
                    Where I voice 10 thousand
                    This is another comrade commentator, yes. Your idea about
                    9y hunts from the Englishman cold weather or in the library or if there are pounds in pubs.
                    a little not wealthy, if you know the prices in these same pubs. And their capacity. And the logic is that if there is a drink, then there will be heating.
                    There is a topic about inadequate medical personnel
                    This topic is everywhere.
                    Honestly, I like the Scots more, they are more open.
                    Northern Irishmen to me. To the British - you need to know them better.
                    not only you can write about England
                    Few on this site will be objective.
                    1. tralflot1832
                      tralflot1832 19 February 2021 13: 02
                      0
                      90 - 96 year clicks, such a small glass of 1,5 pounds. For good, the fight between the Scots stopped, without the police, in the Bar of Lates Edinburgh, the hostess poured bar vodka Smirnov (plastic bottle) took 11 pounds, like in a store.
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 19 February 2021 13: 07
                        0
                        90 - 96 year click, such a small glass 1,5 pounds
                        2020, double (50ml is also a small glass) - 9-14 pounds. Beer 5-6 pounds per pint. Expensive sugrev-gas is cheaper. Something like "they don't have money for a bus - that's why they take a taxi."
        3. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 19 February 2021 11: 52
          0
          about 10 thousand people
          Million laughing In London alone yes What pity these naglo-Saxons smile But seriously, heating an apartment of 30 sqm - 2 packs of cigarettes (for the price) per week.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 19 February 2021 11: 57
            -1
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            But seriously, heating an apartment of 30 sqm - 2 packs of cigarettes (for the price) per week.

            And we have 5 packs.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 19 February 2021 12: 01
              +1
              If it's very cold, take it easy with a smoke, and everything is fine yes You don't have to die.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 19 February 2021 12: 07
                -1
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                If it's very cold, take it easy with a smoke

                And if we assume that we pay for heating all year round, then all 10 packs will be a week. And it makes no difference where they get them from me, from a smoke, or from macaros.
            2. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 19 February 2021 12: 39
              0
              So they probably have a pack of 10 pounds already.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 19 February 2021 16: 32
                0
                probably already 10 pounds
                Already at 11.30. The devils (Indians am ) and sometimes 12-13 pounds. This year I have not taken it yet.
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 19 February 2021 17: 21
                  +1
                  There is much to strive for. angry
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 19 February 2021 17: 22
                    0
                    By the way, no one quits smoking. I did, but not because of the price.
                    1. tralflot1832
                      tralflot1832 19 February 2021 17: 59
                      0
                      E, too, could not, they found holes. Delivery by contraband. We took a smoke in the raid. Customs is somehow honest with you.
          2. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 19 February 2021 12: 29
            0
            For gas, the figures are only for 20 years. 40 rubles for our money per cubic meter. Everyone lives differently. In Lerwick I liked one house made of boulders. So the family had a beautiful winter garden 10 by 4. After a couple of years they sold the house and A couple of months later, this garden was bent by the new hlzyaev, in winter it needs to be heated and this beauty turned into a banal warehouse of all barokhl. And in pubs in December January I always sat closer to the fireplace. I really liked Ullapool, especially the house standing across the bay, One. I was struck by the electricity line to it at 10 km, the road and a boat with two engines for 150 hp. Obviously, the owner's income is above average. In Russia, too, they live differently. And now, whole families are burning in their own homes, every day.
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 19 February 2021 12: 34
              +1
              A couple of months later, this garden was bent at the new hlzyaev,
              At my window half of the flowers died. Perhaps the light is not enough for them. I haven’t visited Glasgow yet.
          3. Dikson
            Dikson 19 February 2021 12: 36
            0
            Boltorez, Well, I wrote - according to unverified information))) just the figure surprised me ..
            1. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 19 February 2021 12: 38
              0
              Me too. This is very, very exaggerated, at least.
    3. Quadro
      Quadro 19 February 2021 10: 45
      -6
      You are our Amerophile, there our joint apparatus with the Europeans collects data without a tractor. But you just do not know this, the main thing in the comments is to say which nasa are cool and to scare Rogozin.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 19 February 2021 07: 16
    +10
    During the week, 3 vehicles arrived at Mars at once - Arabic (UAE), Chinese and American.
    Ours has been there since the last "window" in orbit, when the European rover crashed during landing.
    Something even recently discovered there in the atmosphere.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 19 February 2021 07: 51
      +1
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Something even recently discovered there in the atmosphere.

      From the Russian-European mission Mars-2016, two discoveries were made on a Russian device. the decryption was also made in Russia. It's just that for some reason in our news they like to mention only that. that the Americans threw the tractor to Mars. And Russian achievements - and fuck
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 19 February 2021 08: 05
        -11%
        It's just that for some reason in our news they like to mention only that. that the Americans threw the tractor to Mars. And Russian achievements - and fuck

        Probably, in this way, scolders increase their meager self-esteem. After all, how nice it is to some mediocrity who doesn’t need anyone, even for a moment, but to feel more important than a high-ranking person and even an entire country.
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 19 February 2021 08: 36
          -5
          Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
          It's just that for some reason in our news they like to mention only that. that the Americans threw the tractor to Mars. And Russian achievements - and fuck

          Probably, in this way, scolders increase their meager self-esteem. After all, how nice it is to some mediocrity who doesn’t need anyone, even for a moment, but to feel more important than a high-ranking person and even an entire country.

          Yes, you just need to return the flags near the avatars and everything will fall into place ... Raguli and the Balts are very worried about Rogozin ...
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 07: 23
    -3
    You can think of me as an idiot, but as a helicopter, I can fly at 1% of the density of the Earth's atmosphere and a weight of 600 grams (already on Mars). I understand that the dependence is nonlinear, but with such a density (the density of the atmosphere and not the force of gravity, I emphasize), would the mass of an aircraft on Mars be equivalent to 60 kg on earth?
    1. Sentinel-vs
      Sentinel-vs 19 February 2021 07: 26
      0
      They write that the density of the atmosphere of Mars on the surface is approximately comparable to that of the earth at an altitude of 40 km. On Earth, at such an altitude, only powerful jet planes or stratospheric balloons fly. Indeed, how can a helicopter take off with such an atmosphere density?
      1. Destiny
        Destiny 19 February 2021 07: 35
        +21
        Ingenuity is just a test sample, called technology demonstrators, so this project will test the developed technology for the first time in real-world conditions. Exactly the same demonstrators were once the Mars Pathfinder Sojourner rover. Ingenuity does not carry any scientific instruments and is a separate experiment of Perseverance.
        “The Ingenuity team has gone to great lengths to test the helicopter on Earth, and we look forward to doing our experiment in a real environment on Mars. We'll be learning all the way. ”- Mimi Aung, Ingenuity Project Manager at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

        “The Wright brothers have shown experimentally that propeller flight in the Earth's atmosphere is possible. And with Ingenuity, we will try to prove the same for Mars. ”- Haward Grip, helicopter pilot at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory.

        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 08: 14
          +13
          Yes, thanks, the propeller speed is quoted at 2400 RPM. it is almost ten times faster than helicopter ones. This is another conversation.
      2. Undecim
        Undecim 19 February 2021 07: 56
        +17
        how can a helicopter take off with such an atmosphere density?

        Mars Helicopter Ingenuity was tested in a special chamber where an altitude of 34 meters was simulated.
        Atmospheric pressure near the surface of Mars averages 0,6 kPa or 6 mbar (1/170 of the earth's, which is equivalent to the earth's at an altitude of about 34 km from the earth's surface.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 08: 15
          +9
          Quote: Undecim
          Mars Helicopter Ingenuity was tested in a special chamber where an altitude of 34 meters was simulated.
          ATP, have already indicated the rotational speed of the screws at 2400 rpm. This is an engineering feat, no fools.
          1. lucul
            lucul 19 February 2021 08: 40
            -19%
            ATP, have already indicated the rotational speed of the screws at 2400 rpm. This is an engineering feat, no fools.

            Shaw? The blades rotate at supersonic speed ??? ))))
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 08: 45
              +8
              Quote: lucul
              Shaw? The blades rotate at supersonic speed ??? ))))

              So it is supersonic for the level of the Black Sea, and where is Mars and where is the Black Sea? )))
              1. lucul
                lucul 19 February 2021 08: 49
                -13%
                So it is supersonic for the level of the Black Sea, and where is Mars and where is the Black Sea?

                Therefore, propeller-driven aircraft cannot overcome 800 km / h, because the ends of the blades go over to supersonic, that is, the air is torn off the blades.
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 09: 01
                  +8
                  Quote: lucul
                  Therefore, propeller-driven aircraft cannot overcome 800 km / h, because the ends of the blades go to supersonic

                  I didn’t know, I always thought that the head resistance of the rotating propeller does not give, “locking threshold”. And the Tu-95 has a speed of about 920 km.
                  1. lucul
                    lucul 19 February 2021 09: 07
                    -4
                    And the Tu-95 has a speed of about 920 km.

                    In Tu-95, the tips of the blades have a special saber shape, which reduces the speed of air separation.
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 09: 09
                      +9
                      Quote: lucul
                      In Tu-95, the tips of the blades have a special saber shape.

                      But the screw has not ceased to be a screw because of this.
                      1. lucul
                        lucul 19 February 2021 09: 14
                        -7
                        But the screw has not ceased to be a screw because of this.

                        When diving, the P-47 Thunderbolt accelerated to 1 km / h, but the propeller simply did not pull at these speeds - there was a separation of air along all the blades, and the propeller rotated in vain, only when the speed decreased, the blades could again take air.
                        On the Tu-95 there are double blades, a special shape and therefore can reach such speeds.
                      2. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 09: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: lucul
                        When diving .....
                        On the Tu-95 there are double blades, a special shape and therefore can reach such speeds.
                        No and no, and the speed is horizontal and the blades are of normal shape and not double, the twin propeller is yes, but not the blades.
                      3. lucul
                        lucul 19 February 2021 09: 45
                        -3
                        No and no, and the speed is horizontal and the blades are of normal shape and not double, the twin propeller is yes, but not the blades.

                        You wrote that the frontal resistance of the propeller does not allow acceleration, I indicated that when diving it accelerates without problems up to 1 km / h, but the propeller thrust drops due to air separation from the blades.
                        Double propeller - read about Tu-95, everything is there.
                      4. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 10: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: lucul
                        You wrote that the frontal resistance of the propeller does not allow acceleration, I indicated that when diving, it accelerates without problems up to 1 km / h
                        I wrote about horizontal flight, you wrote about diving.

                        Quote: lucul
                        Double propeller - read about Tu-95, everything is there.
                        Now you have double blades, then the propeller has already become double. And about Tu-95 it would be nice for you to look. And yes, I looked again, the screws are not paired, and even less double, they are coaxial.
                      5. lucul
                        lucul 19 February 2021 10: 21
                        -2
                        Now you have double blades, then the propeller has already become double. And about Tu-95 it would be nice for you to look. And yes, I looked again, the screws are not paired, and even less double, they are coaxial.

                        Two propellers on one shaft - whatever you call it - this is a double propeller, the number of blades is doubled compared to a conventional propeller - you just have the gift of paying attention to details and not noticing the essence.
                        I wrote about horizontal flight, you wrote about diving.

                        Again twenty-five, well, explain to me then why a propeller-driven aircraft dives at a speed of 1 km / h, if, according to your statements, the drag of the propeller prevents it from reaching this speed?
                      6. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 10: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: lucul
                        Two propellers on one shaft - whatever you call it - this is a double propeller, the number of blades is doubled compared to a conventional propeller
                        There are generally accepted names, no one calls the Ka-50 coaxial rotor double, but you can.
                        Quote: lucul
                        1 km / h, if, according to your statements, the propeller drag prevents it from reaching this speed?
                        According to your statement, in general, it was about 800 km / h, so what?
                        Quote: lucul
                        Therefore, propeller-driven aircraft and cannot overcome 800 km / h , because the ends of the blades go over to supersonic, that is, the air is separated from the blades.
                        Once again, I’ll explain, sorry I didn’t immediately explain it, we are talking about the horizontal flight speed achieved by the propeller thrust.
                        Yes, the threshold for blocking turned out to be flow disruptions at near and supersonic, I confused it with the lack of power of the piston motors, there it was more about the "forehead". Thank.
                      7. lucul
                        lucul 19 February 2021 11: 07
                        0
                        Yes, the threshold for blocking turned out to be flow disruptions at near and supersonic, I confused it with the lack of power of the piston motors, there it was more about the "forehead". Thank.

                        Because of it, the power is not enough.
                        We can come to a consensus.
                        drinks
                      8. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 11: 08
                        0
                        Quote: lucul
                        Because of it, the power is not enough.
                        We can come to a consensus.
                        drinks
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 19 February 2021 08: 34
    -3
    Just a circle of skillful hands at the Washington house of pioneers!
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 19 February 2021 07: 58
    -8
    Quote: Sentinel-vs
    Indeed, how can a helicopter take off with such an atmosphere density?

    And if you cross it with an airship?
  • Sofa batyr
    Sofa batyr 19 February 2021 07: 59
    +14
    Quote: Sentinel-vs
    They write that the density of the atmosphere of Mars on the surface is approximately comparable to that of the earth at an altitude of 40 km. On Earth, at such an altitude, only powerful jet planes or stratospheric balloons fly. Indeed, how can a helicopter take off with such an atmosphere density?

    But the parachute soft-landing system is somehow used, and with a relatively small canopy size.



    First photos on the surface of Mars.



    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 February 2021 08: 59
      +4
      Everyone forgot something, what kind of gravity is there.
      1. Avior
        Avior 19 February 2021 09: 38
        +1
        The acceleration of free fall on Mars is 3,7 m / s2, that is, 0,38 from the earth
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 19 February 2021 09: 41
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          The acceleration of free fall on Mars is 3,7 m / s2, that is, 0,38 from the earth

          I remember this from childhood when I read Azimov.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 19 February 2021 07: 53
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    will the mass of an aircraft on Mars be equivalent to 60 kg on earth?

    Mass - will not laughing Weight - maybe
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 19 February 2021 08: 17
      +4
      Quote: Cowbra
      Mass - won't laughing Weight - maybe
      Mass, weight, I rested on the density of the atmosphere.
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 19 February 2021 15: 50
      +3
      You skipped all physics at school. Mass will be equivalent everywhere, but weight will not.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 19 February 2021 16: 51
        -2
        And you skipped one object, but it cuts everything off for you. The subject was called Russian.
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        You can think of me as an idiot, but as a helicopter you can fly at 1% of the density of the earth's atmosphere and weight in 600 grams (already on Mars). I understand that the dependence is nonlinear, but at such a density (the density of the atmosphere and not the force of gravity, I emphasize), will there be weight LA on Mars equivalent to 60 kg on the ground?

        Take a walk, the officer's daughter
        1. The eye of the crying
          The eye of the crying 19 February 2021 17: 18
          +3
          Most importantly, you will remember a simple thing: weight depends on gravity, but not mass. Don't try to understand - just remember.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 19 February 2021 17: 31
            -2
            The main thing to remember is that you don't know Russian so much that you need to take a retraining course in it. And not from the curator, but from someone who really knows the language. You didn’t understand nicherta even when you were quoted from the post to which the answer was given. And they didn't even understand the simple word that they said to you: GO!
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 19 February 2021 17: 33
              +3
              Quote: Cowbra
              you do not know Russian so much that you need to take a refresher course in it. And not from the curator, but from someone who really knows the language.


              But why are you so bombarded ... and try to control paranoia with drugs.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 19 February 2021 08: 12
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    how can a helicopter fly

    So we'll check how we can. And something tells me that at least somehow, but it can. And about how much better ground forces with drones are about the same, but without, ask Azerbaijanis and Armenians.
  • Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 19 February 2021 08: 44
    +1
    Because there the gravity is lower
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 February 2021 07: 23
    +14
    What surprises me is not that they flew, but how long they have rovers working in time afterwards.
    1. Kart
      Kart 19 February 2021 09: 27
      +2
      And we flew - this is also an excellent result, especially the landing.
      Really the work of many specialists.
      Moreover, it will not be possible to correct something from the Earth at the last moment. All by myself.
      Cool.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 19 February 2021 07: 26
    +21
    the creation of which was spent about $ 2,5 billion.
    This, of course, is a shtnik and got excited. Yes, such grandmas could have poured an entire street with asphalt and even a little more for new sidewalk tiles, but it's still great that a piece of iron is rolling on a neighboring planet, millions of kilometers from Earth. It's like steering a radio-controlled model, only a thousand times cooler.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 19 February 2021 07: 48
      +9
      You forgot to mention in a separate article the financing of the replacement of the curb stone .. how can you lay tiles without a curb ??? Speaking of roads - today I read the information - some Chinese are building a road at a speed of 1 km per hour ..)))
      1. lucul
        lucul 19 February 2021 08: 39
        -7
        some Chinese are building a highway at a speed of 1 km per hour

        On rocky ground or even on a rock is not a problem. The problem is to put on permafrost)))
        1. Dikson
          Dikson 19 February 2021 09: 25
          +4
          You are wrong .. to put it on the permafrost is not even a problem at all, but our everyday reality .. Here's how to make sure that the road does not float away in six months ... - this is a problem ..
          1. lucul
            lucul 19 February 2021 09: 49
            -7
            You are wrong .. to put it on the permafrost is not even a problem at all, but our everyday reality .. Here's how to make sure that the road does not float away in six months ... - this is a problem ..

            Putting down is not a problem ... but a problem - how is it? ))))
            Tsimes is that the costs for 1 km of the route for rocky soil and permafrost are simply not comparable.
            The whole problem of the USSR with asphalting roads was that asphalt was laid on the sand, and rubble was plundered.
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 19 February 2021 11: 11
              0
              They plundered the crushed stone ... yes .. now we have learned ... - it is enough to lay a little bit of another instead of one rubble .. - and your office will again receive money in a year to repair the same road! People think about the future ...)))
              1. lucul
                lucul 19 February 2021 11: 29
                -7
                They plundered the crushed stone ... yes .. now we have learned ... - it is enough to lay a little bit of another instead of one rubble .. - and your office will again receive money in a year to repair the same road! People think about the future.

                Putin signed a decree - after the road was built - the maintenance of the road (repair) for the next 5 years only at the expense of the builder.
        2. Dikson
          Dikson 19 February 2021 15: 49
          +1
          .. I have never heard that we have laid the roadbed at such a speed ..))
          1. lucul
            lucul 19 February 2021 16: 03
            -5
            I have never heard of a roadbed being laid at such a speed.

            For example, China in 2 years, from 2016 to 2018 (like these years) produced more concrete than the United States for the entire 20th century.
            So what ?
            1. Dikson
              Dikson 19 February 2021 20: 25
              +1
              And nothing ..)) Look how many cities the Chinese have built in these two years .. and the number of skyscrapers in these cities .. That's all this concrete ..
      2. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 19 February 2021 08: 53
        +2
        Quote: Dikson
        You forgot to mention in a separate article the financing of the replacement of the curb stone .. how can you lay tiles without a curb ???

        I respect Muscovites and residents of St. Petersburg. In order not to offend anyone, I call this product BORDUBRIK.
    2. lucul
      lucul 19 February 2021 08: 38
      -14%
      This, of course, is a shtnik and got excited. Yes, for such money it would be possible

      It was possible to warm Texas, but they chose the rover - the completely cannibalistic authorities in the White House do not regret their citizens))))
  • Puppeteer 111
    Puppeteer 111 19 February 2021 07: 35
    +11
    At this time, a collection of Rogozin's poetry is being prepared for the first publication. Let's applaud, comrades.
    1. Quadro
      Quadro 19 February 2021 10: 52
      -7
      Bot, there our device has been hanging from Mars for a long time, but you just don't look for it, you are eating PR.
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 19 February 2021 13: 29
        +3
        PR is not PR, but NASA does things, and Rogozin dishonors the Russian space industry with his statements!
      2. Puppeteer 111
        Puppeteer 111 19 February 2021 15: 29
        +1
        Don't write nonsense. The Trace Gas Orbiter (TGO) is a spacecraft for studying the origin of trace gases in the Martian atmosphere from the orbit of an artificial satellite.
        Apparatus created under the program "ExoMars" by experts from the European Space Agency. Two of the four scientific instruments developed at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
        1. slipped
          slipped 19 February 2021 20: 19
          +1
          Quote: Puppeteer 111
          Apparatus created under the program "ExoMars" by experts from the European Space Agency. Two of the four scientific instruments developed at the Space Research Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences.


          Then why don't you continue the selected text? lol

          And there it is clearly written:

          "The agreement provides full participation of Russian scientists and engineers in all international scientific and technical groupscreated within the framework of the ExoMars project, as well as equal rights of Russian and European project participants to scientific data. Russia participates in the launching of vehicles into space and in the scientific program of both stages of the project. "
          1. Venya Selnikov
            Venya Selnikov 20 February 2021 16: 35
            0
            It's all lovely, but this is the degree of participation that individual countries from the EU, Canada, India, Great Britain, and so on have long had ...
            But there is a higher level - when, like the Americans (or the EU, the Japanese), a mission is organized by some country, and other countries are only invited to participate.
            On "Perseverance" there are devices from the EU, Canada, and other countries.
            But most of the work and organization was done by the Americans.
            Therefore, the mission is theirs.
            With international participation of other countries.
            And all countries participating in the project get access (their scientists and engineers) to the materials of the mission. They (scientific data) become common to the project, regardless of whose country's apparatus received it. This is generally the default, and there is nothing to highlight it in bold. General practice of international projects.
            1. slipped
              slipped 20 February 2021 19: 48
              +1
              Quote: Venya Selnikov
              It's all lovely, but this is the degree of participation that individual countries from the EU, Canada, India, Great Britain, and so on have long had ...


              You are wrong. In this particular case, the program is joint and with a separate level of competence. Europeans are doing something, and we are doing something.

              Quote: Venya Selnikov
              But there is a higher level - when, like the Americans (or the EU, the Japanese), a mission is organized by some country, and other countries are only invited to participate.


              In this case, Russia and the EU are equal partners. Is this unclear to you?

              Quote: Venya Selnikov
              On "Perseverance" there are devices from the EU, Canada, and other countries.
              But most of the work and organization was done by the Americans. Therefore, the mission is theirs.


              Our projects with Germany (Spectr-RG), with Spain and Japan (Spectr-UF), etc. have been implemented in a similar way.

              Quote: Venya Selnikov
              With international participation of other countries.


              Thus, with the participation of Russia, the projects "Integral", "Mars-Express", "Venus-Express", "Curiosity", "Lunar Orbital Reconnaissance" have been implemented and the "Beppi Colombo" is being prepared for implementation (is in flight).

              Quote: Venya Selnikov
              And all countries participating in the project get access (their scientists and engineers) to the materials of the mission.


              In all the cases described above, except for ExoMars, applications for national programs were drawn up in advance and were considered within the framework of project quotas. For example, at the Integral astrophysical laboratory, Russia has 25% of its working time for its own scientific research.

              Quote: Venya Selnikov
              They (scientific data) become common for the project, regardless of whose country’s apparatus received it. This is generally the default, and there is nothing to highlight it in bold. General practice of international projects.


              As for the first part of the ExoMars project, although the platform is controlled by the European MCC, we directly receive data from scientific instruments under the national program through our Deep Space Communication Centers.
  • leks
    leks 19 February 2021 07: 46
    +14
    Well done. Whoever said that but NASA is at the forefront of Mars exploration.
    1. Kart
      Kart 19 February 2021 09: 31
      +7
      It is starting with the Moon at the forefront. Complex projects.
      Whoever says anything.
      Even the American segment of the ISS looks frankly more modern than ours.
      1. leks
        leks 19 February 2021 09: 41
        +2
        Totally agree with you.
        Unfortunately, we can only rejoice at their success in the exploration of near and deep space. We can only wait and hope for future projects and starts from the Republic of Kazakhstan.
      2. slipped
        slipped 19 February 2021 20: 35
        -2
        Quote: Carte
        It is starting with the Moon at the forefront. Complex projects.
        Whoever says anything.


        I will tell. We have no less complex projects starting from the Moon.

        Quote: Carte
        Even the American segment of the ISS looks frankly more modern than ours.


        In general, the design of our modules was created in the 70s. American - in the 80s. BUT .... our modules are autonomous spacecraft that reached orbit on their own, of course, except for small compartments. MLM-U "Science" will also go to the station on its own. And it will undock itself if a decision is made to flood the station in 2024. American barrels will not be able to do this and will go to the bottom.

        There is one more funny moment - our modules have a floor and a ceiling, which is very convenient for an astronaut - you can immediately see where to the left. where is the right. In American - I had to sculpt top-bottom pointers, laughing otherwise the astronauts stupidly lost their orientation. In addition, our modules are equipped with full-fledged cabins with a view of the Earth, as in Clark's "Space Odyssey".
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 19 February 2021 10: 54
      -4
      Well, yes, our device is in Mars orbit and at least 2 of our discoveries are probably a loss, and the landing of the tractor is a victory. The real problem is that data can also be collected from orbit.
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 19 February 2021 13: 31
        +3
        Don't cry, take a handkerchief, wipe your tears, cuadros, our project is only one demonstrator so far) and NASA has more opportunities than Roscosmos)
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 19 February 2021 08: 10
    +3
    American Mars rover Perseverance makes a successful landing on the surface of the Red Planet
    Congratulations! hi And we are waiting with interest for news from the red planet.
    the creation of which was spent about $ 2,5 billion.
    Of course it sounds utopian. This is where humanity would be over the years if NASA changed its budget with the Pentagon !? laughing Probably in twenty years the satellites of Jupiter would have mastered.
    1. Kart
      Kart 19 February 2021 09: 33
      -5
      No.
      With these technologies, Mars is a year away, and even then weighing a couple of tons.
      Whatever super robots are, you need to deliver them with something. And this is still the main limitation.
      Like a robotic power source.
  • Yuri Stepanov
    Yuri Stepanov 19 February 2021 08: 15
    +10
    I should have seen Korolyov what our astronautics has become ... I would have killed them all.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 19 February 2021 08: 27
      +2
      If Comrade Stalin had seen what we turned the country into - I'm afraid to even imagine a reaction ...
      1. Kart
        Kart 19 February 2021 09: 35
        -11%
        Really. Asphalt roads with lighting, factories of the XXI century.
        Yes, you have to shoot for that.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 19 February 2021 11: 55
          +6
          Even in Africa, the barmaley switched from camels and spears to Toyota and Kalash ..
          The natural offensive of the XNUMXst century should not be counted among the merits of some rulers ..
  • Yurahip
    Yurahip 19 February 2021 08: 32
    -11%
    But we make Zircons and Poseidons ... And in general, we pile on the whole world so that we are there to some kind of Mars ...
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 19 February 2021 08: 40
      -12%
      We are doing the right thing, more Zircons and Poseidons to guarantee that the US will not attack us.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 19 February 2021 09: 30
        +4
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        We are doing the right thing, more Zircons and Poseidons to guarantee that the US will not attack us.

        you also say that thanks to the Zircons and Poseidon, the Americans had to attack distant Mars wassat
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 19 February 2021 09: 46
          +1
          But how can I say so. You saw Schwarzenegger on Mars as a freedom fighter for the Martians.
      2. Roman070280
        Roman070280 19 February 2021 11: 56
        +5
        This will not help everyone .. they will attack you anyway ..
        At night, from under the bed ..))
    2. Quadro
      Quadro 19 February 2021 10: 56
      -7
      Well, an amerophile like you does not know that in Mars orbit, and so our apparatus is, which made 2 discoveries.
      1. hydroy
        hydroy 19 February 2021 13: 34
        +1
        Well done device, keep it up! Does the device broadcast Rogozin's songs?
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        2. slipped
          slipped 19 February 2021 20: 43
          +1
          Quote: hydroy
          Well done device, keep it up! Does the device broadcast Rogozin's songs?


          In fact, a cart and a cart are open, but the songs are sung exclusively to the accompaniment of such Martian panoramas:

  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 19 February 2021 08: 38
    0
    Well, the Americans can be congratulated on their achievement, it's sad that our Roscosmos has nothing to congratulate on ... The results of the work of this organization are extremely weak.
    1. slipped
      slipped 19 February 2021 20: 50
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Well, the Americans can be congratulated on their achievement, it's sad that our Roscosmos has nothing to congratulate on ... The results of the work of this organization are extremely weak.


      You can congratulate on this result. laughing



      RGB-map of the sky, built by the SRG / EOSITA telescope from the sum of the first two sky surveys. The colors on the map correspond to the energy ranges: red - 0.3–0.6 keV, green - 0.6–1.0 keV, blue —1.0–2.3 keV. Numerous bright points are sources of X-ray radiation recorded by the telescope. It is impossible to depict everything on this map (almost a million!) sources recorded during the year of observation. The resolution of the card allows you to see only the brightest of them. The wide dark stripe near the hemisphere's equator corresponds to the position of the plane of our Milky Way Galaxy, which is filled with cold gas and dust that absorb soft X-rays. Thermal radiation from hot gas in the halo of our Galaxy is also visible. The bright yellow and orange areas on the right side of the map are the "erosite bubbles" that include the North Polar Spur. Bright sources in the center of the map are remnants of supernovae (among them the Loop in Cygnus) in the star-forming region in the constellation Cygnus and famous objects: the black hole Cygnus X-1, bright accreting neutron stars Cygnus X-2 and Cygnus X-3 in close binaries systems and the most powerful radio galaxy Cygnus A with jets millions of light years long. X-ray images of these and other brightest sources are somewhat blurred due to single scattering in the optical system of the telescope.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 19 February 2021 08: 43
    +2
    Man has been looking at Mars for a long time ... how many books have been written!
    What's next on the research list ???
    Although, of course, even the moon was so slightly stepped, it is far from real research!
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 February 2021 08: 54
      +2
      The main thing is to take such steps, but we are still watching, I hope so far ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 February 2021 09: 02
        +1
        Welcome soldier
        Let's not talk about the sad on the eve of the HOLIDAY!
        Let's remember Epstein, that everything is relative .... even better, let's remember the fellow lecturer, the astrologer, performed by Filippov !!!!
        Mars is best viewed with ... a "instrument" with three stars !!! but better with five!
        1. cniza
          cniza 19 February 2021 09: 06
          +2
          Good time! hi

          The lecturer performed by Filippov was right! ... lol
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 February 2021 09: 15
            +1
            Well, yes, it is worth listening to outstanding people, and not just any rascal.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 19 February 2021 09: 14
          0
          The mistake came out .... Einstein's theory of relativity, of course.
        3. Dikson
          Dikson 19 February 2021 09: 27
          +2
          Epstein then what did not please you ?? )))
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 February 2021 09: 39
            +1
            The bug has already been fixed.
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 19 February 2021 09: 48
              +1
              It's late, we've already recorded everything. smile
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 19 February 2021 10: 09
                +2
                Come on, for such "little things" and put on a pencil!
                And finally, this is a glitch ...
  • cniza
    cniza 19 February 2021 08: 53
    +2
    The United States sent the rover to the Red Planet on July 30, 2020, with the Atlas V launch vehicle launched from the Cape Canaveral launch site.


    We are still dreaming ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 19 February 2021 09: 04
      +2
      We lace up the boots ... although some of the next towers / buildings are being built, because they are already tired of trampolines.
      1. cniza
        cniza 19 February 2021 09: 06
        +2
        I have the impression that we are only ironing laces ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 19 February 2021 09: 18
          +1
          We are not allowed to look so deeply ... they cover us with verbal husks so that it is difficult to get through it! Although, by the end result, everything will be visible ... but this is somewhat later, when the "gallant talkers" "pile up the hay" and roll off home!
          1. cniza
            cniza 19 February 2021 09: 38
            +2
            Here you don't need to look deeply, you can see everything by external signs, such a program and preparation must be done for a long time ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 19 February 2021 09: 41
              +1
              That's right, IT IS NECESSARY TO DO, and not to pull trampolines.
              1. cniza
                cniza 19 February 2021 09: 42
                +2
                Yes, a shoemaker should make boots, and a baker should make pies ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 19 February 2021 09: 43
                  +1
                  And BOLTUNOV, you can't be allowed anywhere!
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 19 February 2021 11: 20
                    +3
                    Why announcers, you are always welcome ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 19 February 2021 11: 38
                      +1
                      The announcer .... all the better a professional announcer than an inspired chatterbox.
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 19 February 2021 11: 46
                        +1
                        With professionals nowadays, the tension is everywhere ...
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 19 February 2021 12: 07
                        +1
                        Yes, this is a profession in which talent is needed and is a must.
  • Quadro
    Quadro 19 February 2021 10: 58
    -8
    The main thing is to cry, but you can forget about our apparatus in Mars orbit with its discoveries, because it's not cool for youth and there is no ton of PR
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 19 February 2021 11: 48
      +3
      Does Russia really have anything to remember in this direction?
      The USSR launched and flew ... the last time in 1988. And more, everything did not grow together.
      Those. without begging the achievements of ancestors, there are many, many questions to the "descendants".
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 19 February 2021 13: 35
      0
      Don't cry, why are you crying so much) Not PR not PR. Let's go to the statistics: NASA subscribers - 62 million, Roscosmos - 754 thousand)))))))))))))))) You can continue whining about PR)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 19 February 2021 18: 33
        -4
        How long has NASA been in existence and how long has Roscosmos been in existence.
        1. leks
          leks 21 February 2021 22: 56
          0
          Quote: hydroy
          Don't cry, why are you crying so much) Not PR not PR. Let's go to the statistics: NASA subscribers - 62 million, Roscosmos - 754 thousand)))))))))))))))) You can continue whining about PR)

          Quote: Vadim237
          How long has NASA been in existence and how long has Roscosmos been in existence.


          NASA was founded in 1958, Roskosmos in 1992.
          The question is how long Instagram exists.
          Instagram appeared in 2010.
          NASA started the page in 2013.
          Roskosmos launched a page in 2014.
          NASA and Roscosmos exist on Instagram
          7 and 8 years, the difference of one year is not significant, but the subscribers are colossal.
  • yfast
    yfast 19 February 2021 09: 29
    +2
    Quote: mojohed2012

    In general, apart from the Americans, can anyone confirm this landing and make sure that it was successful?

    You can receive a signal from Mars yourself if you wish.
  • KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda 19 February 2021 09: 32
    +3
    Bravo. All that remains is to congratulate. wink
  • slipped
    slipped 19 February 2021 11: 11
    +1
    Quote: Dikson
    Whose job is this, ISS?

    Shop. Navigator platform.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 19 February 2021 11: 54
      0
      Thanks for the information .. I just, according to your text about the use of the orbits of navigation devices, I thought that they were Reshetnevtsy ...
      1. slipped
        slipped 19 February 2021 14: 34
        +1
        Quote: Dikson
        Thanks for the information .. I just, according to your text about the use of the orbits of navigation devices, I thought that they were Reshetnevtsy ...

        Not navigation, but communications - the orbit of the "Molniya" satellite.
  • Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky 19 February 2021 11: 46
    0
    Bravo. (I would like to say so to our success, but so far "is as it is").
    Space is the future of humanity. It is high time to end all strife between states and to use all resources to conquer outer space.
  • Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky 19 February 2021 11: 58
    +3

    In fact, everything is like this wink
  • fa2998
    fa2998 19 February 2021 17: 51
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    2 hours of horny American faces

    And we should still admire that the USSR once landed a lunar rover on our satellite? So it was a different country. The Americans are already landing Mars rovers on a more distant object for the third time. And we only have dreams, plans, and a rotation around the Earth. It's sad! crying negative hi
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 February 2021 18: 41
      -2
      Well, why does Russia need these missions to show that we can do the same - there’s a lot of money and apparently not where all these rovers and stations collect the same information that they distribute among all scientists of the world, including Russian.
      1. Anton Shtopany
        Anton Shtopany 20 February 2021 00: 03
        0
        Correctly let them do we then scratch scratches so poo said
  • Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 19 February 2021 18: 52
    +2
    CCCP did galoshes! Space has not been mastered, for that now development is underway, only budget money laughing Well done that they put on Mars, it remains only to observe with envy
  • Anton Shtopany
    Anton Shtopany 20 February 2021 00: 02
    +1
    But our palace was built
  • Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 20 February 2021 10: 51
    -4
    I saw this rover in the photo. The design is very delicate. In theory, it should have crumbled when landing on the surface of Mars. And about the helicopter, I generally keep quiet. The density of the Martian atmosphere is about 0,020 kg / m³, the earth's 1,2754 kg / m³. That is, 63 times less dense, i.e. at an altitude of 10-12 km. Which helicopter? Moreover, such as in the video. The lunar hack did not work, they took up the Martian one.
    tongue
    1. Infinity
      Infinity 20 February 2021 11: 52
      +4
      Have you heard about the fact that the force of gravity on Mars is much less than that of Earth? And they are not fools working at NASA, they made calculations and carried out tests in special. pressure chambers, where the atmosphere of Mars was simulated and where it quite successfully flew. And the low density helps to spin the propellers up to a speed of 2400 rpm, which is almost ten times faster than helicopter ones on Earth. In addition, this is an experimental device, and NASA does not hide it, which will not fly above several tens of meters. Even if it does not fly so well, it is also a result and experience.
      "Openwork construction" - their experimental copies and on the Earth the rules go, not to mention Mars with its gravity.
      Well, after you write about "Lunar hacks". Surprisingly, real Soviet designers, for example, Chertok and Feoktisov (the latter also flew into space) for some reason say that it is not hack. Probably because they themselves designed space technology, unlike the lunar conspiracy theorists ...
      1. Mikhalych
        Mikhalych 20 February 2021 15: 40
        -3
        "Openwork construction" - their experimental copies and on the Earth the rules go, not to mention Mars with its gravity.

        1. What does it have to do with driving normally? The rover design shown in THEIR photo is not a Transformer. It will drive well, but what about acceleration when hitting the surface?
        2. The force of gravity on Mars is only three times less than on Earth, and the density of the atmosphere is 63 times!
        3. The previous "Martian" images show hack-work.
        4. The total power of the Curiosity rover is only 30 watts !!! And the pictures are like from a photo studio.
        5. Personally, I doubt the authenticity. They do not succeed in a hypersonic rocket, but they do it to Mars.
        6. You did not include Leontyev among the believers in the lunar swindle.
        1. Infinity
          Infinity 20 February 2021 16: 52
          +3
          Quote: Mikhalych
          1. What does it have to do with driving normally? The rover design shown in THEIR photo is not a Transformer. It will drive well, but what about acceleration when hitting the surface?
          What impact on the surface? What are you talking about? Is it okay that the landing again, like its predecessor, was carried out using the "Sky Crane" system, which allows the rover to smoothly lower to the surface?
          ...
          Here I started to paint all your points for you, and then I thought: why? You don't even know about the "Sky Crane", you don't know the features of the mission! But how to write comments ...
          Better contact the Flat Earth Society, I think you will find many like-minded people there laughing And most importantly, they do not need to read books and find information!
          1. Mikhalych
            Mikhalych 20 February 2021 18: 26
            -3
            You don't even know about the "Sky Crane", you don't know the features of the mission!

            I don’t know. NASA did not report.
            Better contact the Flat Earth Society

            Where is it?
            And most importantly, they do not need to read books and find information!

            You can see that you are their guru.
            hi
      2. Vilensky
        Vilensky 20 February 2021 15: 58
        0
        https://topwar.ru/177718-kak-sovetskij-sojuz-upustil-vozmozhnost-novogo-velikogo-proryva.html
    2. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 20 February 2021 15: 22
      0
      Indeed, before drawing "cartoons",
      could pull up physics and high school.
      Did I understand you correctly ?
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 20 February 2021 15: 19
    +4
    Rogozin responded with dignity by drawing a collage.
    Powerful and cruel.
    1. Dali
      Dali 21 February 2021 17: 54
      -1
      NASA is considering the possibility of getting a place for an astronaut on the Soyuz in the spring of 2021 !!!
      https://tass.ru/kosmos/10663311
      It will be interesting to listen to the maskafiles when the American again flies on the union ...

      shl
      This has never happened, and again ... laughing
  • Venya Selnikov
    Venya Selnikov 20 February 2021 16: 05
    0
    Quote: Dikson
    Let's start a religious race in space!

    Everyone will twirl their fingers at their temples (maybe not aloud), but no one even scratches themselves to "catch up" like that.
  • Miyamoto musasi
    Miyamoto musasi 21 February 2021 07: 01
    +1
    just applaud !! good
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 21 February 2021 17: 07
    0
    Almost all drivers are kernel modules, so it is illiterate to say "kernel modules, let alone drivers". I think that after the implementation of KMS, there are no user-space drivers left at all - at least I don't know about them.