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Kiev has changed the plan for the construction of Turkish corvettes for the Ukrainian Navy

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Kiev has changed the plan for the construction of Turkish corvettes for the Ukrainian Navy

Kiev has changed plans to build Turkish corvettes for the Ukrainian Navy. According to Defense Express, citing its own sources in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the first corvette will be completed in Nikolaev.


Initially, it was assumed that the first Turkish corvette of the Ada type for the Ukrainian Navy will be fully built at Turkish shipyards, and the rest of Ukraine will build independently. Now it has been decided that Turkey will build only the hull of the ship, and the completion and equipment will be carried out in Ukraine.

Initially, the Turkish side offered to completely build the first corvette at its own facilities. But, after fruitful negotiations, our partners agreed that only the hull of the first ship will be built in Turkey with the participation of Ukrainian specialists.

- cites the publication of the word source.

The completion of the corvette at the Ukrainian enterprise will be carried out with the help of Turkish specialists. 2023 is called the preliminary date for the launch of the ship for state tests in Kiev.

All other corvettes will be built at the Okean plant in Nikolaev with the maximum use of Ukrainian components, components and assemblies. If the first corvette will be equipped with a foreign-made power plant, then it is planned to install Zorya-Mashproekt units on all the others. What other Ukrainian components are in question is not reported.

The contract for the construction of corvettes with Turkey should be signed before April this year.
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  1. kristofer
    kristofer 16 February 2021 13: 01
    +6
    Will change their minds more than once
    1. Finches
      Finches 16 February 2021 13: 07
      +27
      Is it at the shipyards where the hull of the cruiser "Ukraine" is? Then 100% will be completed! laughing Most likely, the changes in plans are not connected with a system that would burden the remnants of their shipbuilding industry, but because there is completely no money for the Turks to do everything! Only enough for the hull ...!
      1. Machito
        Machito 16 February 2021 13: 15
        +20
        The general came to the tank division with a check, bypassed the formation, the lieutenant appeared to him:
        -Commander of a tank corps, Lieutenant Poroshenko.
        General:
        - I have been serving for thirty years, for the first time I see a lieutenant in command of a tank corps.
        Divisional Commander:
        -And the lieutenant with the soldiers drank the cannon, machine guns, turret, engine and all the internal stuffing, one tank corps remained. laughing
        In Nikolaev it will be possible to steal a lot from the construction of the corvette. Not like in Turkey. So the corvette is unlikely to ever enter service.
      2. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 16 February 2021 13: 17
        +5
        .Now it has been decided that Turkey will build only the hull of the ship, and the completion and equipment will be carried out in Ukraine.

        Initially, the Turkish side offered to completely build the first corvette at its own facilities. But, after fruitful negotiations, our partners agreed that only the hull of the first ship will be built in Turkey with the participation of Ukrainian specialists.

        - cites the publication of the word source.

        The completion of the corvette at the Ukrainian enterprise will be carried out with the help of Turkish specialists. 2023 is called the preliminary date for the launch of the ship for state tests in Kiev.

        All other corvettes will be built at the Okean plant in Nikolaev with the maximum use of Ukrainian components, components and assemblies. If the first corvette is equipped with a foreign-made power plant,

        Of course. Corvette Vladimir they have already "completed". What is left of the Nikolaev plant?
      3. paul3390
        paul3390 16 February 2021 13: 17
        +10
        I didn't quite understand - why do they need the Turkish corps? Have they even forgotten how to build buildings?
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 16 February 2021 13: 21
          +15
          Of course they forgot how to do it. There is no one to read the drawings at the Nikolaevsky shipbuilding.
          And laughter and sin.
          ... After Yushchenko, the industry went to hell. No orders, no benefits, no government policy. After numerous assignments, the Black Sea plant fell into the hands of Novinsky. But the Orthodox oligarch could not do anything with him. When the plant received an order for the manufacture of a corvette, specialists had to be looked for in nursing homes. 80-year-old grandfathers were the only ones who could read the most complex drawings. Only they could figure out why this steel is held together with this one. Moreover, in the city of Nikolaev there is a whole shipbuilding institute, which for many years has been specializing in the production of translators and managers with knowledge of the PC.

          https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/4131086.html
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 16 February 2021 14: 02
            +20
            Lord - and this was the richest and most powerful SSR after the RSFSR ... And the truth is - the second France .. What an incredible amount of dough and titanic efforts were made to make it such .. Starting with Catherine .. And all this, 200 p. more than years of hard work of the entire vast country - they flushed down the toilet in just 30 years some stupid shitheads !! Combing ..

            One thing pleases - this will never happen again. No one will ever invest that kind of money in this territory. Everything is forever. For no one has such money either, and no one needs another industrial cluster on the planet of the bourgeoisie .. Not even Russia .. And nenka - is rapidly returning to its original state - Wild Field .. Inhabited by wild populations ..
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 16 February 2021 14: 04
              +7
              .For no one has such money,

              Unlike Russia, no one has ever had intentions to engage in charity. And there is money, but as they say, not about your honor.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 16 February 2021 15: 21
                +9
                Well, yes, the rest take control in order to rob.
                Russia alone is building and developing territories.
                Often to the detriment of themselves. Afghan for example.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 February 2021 16: 01
              +4
              Quote: paul3390
              Wild field .. Inhabited by wild populations ..

              "And free horses and people will walk along the Ukrainian steppes."
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 February 2021 16: 14
            +10
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            Of course they forgot how to do it. There is no one to read the drawings at the Nikolaevsky shipbuilding.
            In 1789, the favorite and right-hand man of Catherine the Great, Grigory Potemkin, signed an order prescribing to name the “Novozavodsk shipyard on Ingul city of Nikolaev.” Nikolayev flourished as a “city of shipbuilders” in the post-war period. Soviet Union. Before the collapse of the USSR, more than 24 thousand people worked at the Black Sea shipyard, more than 61 thousand at the plant named after 13 Communards, and over 12 thousand at Okean. Workers were trained by vocational schools and technical schools, engineering - by the Nikolaev Shipbuilding Institute.
            This was the power of the Land of Soviets, which, after the Svidomo rule for 30 years, disappeared into the fog and disappeared into oblivion, the cries of "Peremoga! Glory to Ukraine!" and an immense number of guest workers.
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 16 February 2021 16: 27
              +3
              As a child, I read and studied the basics of metalworking on books written in Nikolaev.
        2. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 16 February 2021 13: 32
          +8
          Yes. They have forgotten how to build buildings. They wash toilets, in the EU, have learned well.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 February 2021 15: 58
            +2
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            Yes. They have forgotten how to build buildings. They wash toilets, in the EU, have learned well.

            Something like this - "who studied for whom."
        3. Shadow041
          Shadow041 16 February 2021 15: 24
          +3
          Turkish corvettes of the Ada type are built using stealth technology, but in Ukraine and according to Soviet technology they can neither build nor repair today. In general, I agree with those who believe that this is a saw cut and most likely they will not build anything
        4. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 17 February 2021 18: 40
          0
          And how will they bring the Turkish corps, piece by piece?
      4. Alien From
        Alien From 16 February 2021 14: 10
        +3
        Sometimes you just want to face them about the table ...
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 February 2021 14: 41
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Is it at the shipyards where the hull of the cruiser "Ukraine" is? Then 100% will be completed!

        It will be completed, but not by the Ukrainians, but by the Turks. If the building is being built in Turkey, the rest will be completed by the Turks. The factories still have squares, moorings, electricity, water and sewerage will be connected. Transport workers and outside guards are Ukrainian. So many have been engaged in shipbuilding for a long time. Previously, the buildings were Nikolaev, and now they are Turkish (there is no one to cook).
        1. Finches
          Finches 16 February 2021 14: 45
          +4
          Well, why not! Their government and president are Americans, the Turks will build ... An independent country! As stated by their acting. Minister Vetrenko Ukrainians - go to Poland to work - there wages are higher and working conditions are more decent! laughing
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 February 2021 15: 56
            +1
            Quote: Finches
            Well, why not! They have a government and a president - Americans

            Precisely, those who distinguished themselves in Russophobia will receive a "green card".
        2. IL-18
          IL-18 16 February 2021 20: 32
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          there is no one to cook

          Will rivet
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 February 2021 20: 44
            +1
            Quote: IL-18
            Will rivet

            What to cook, what to rivet, there is still no one, everyone in the migrant workers moved.
        3. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 16 February 2021 20: 49
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine

          Completion, but not Ukrainians, but Turks ...
          Ukraine had a "chance" to get one combat-ready ship - to buy a fully finished ship, the first of the planned series ...
          The decision to "finish building in Ukraine" is the most losing option - to pump up (pay) all the $ - and at the exit 0... About "working Turks" - it has become a tradition in Ukraine to conclude contracts with Turkish firms (as an example "great construction" - a lot of orders have been given to Turkish firms), but the quality of work is not checked, why ... - all their own. So with the completion of the ship - they will complete it - everyone will sign acceptance certificates - then, after a magnificent acceptance - to the dock for repairs ... until it decays.
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 16 February 2021 13: 11
      +1
      Quote: kristofer
      Will change their minds more than once
      It's like India, only a garbage version.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 16 February 2021 13: 37
        +3

        Waste version.
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 February 2021 13: 01
    0
    The result will be a yacht for Poros. Who is the owner of the Nikolaev wonderwork?
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak 16 February 2021 13: 02
    +2
    Well, that is, the corps will remain on the allowance of the Ukrainian Navy ...
  4. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 16 February 2021 13: 02
    -2
    Admittedly, from a technical and economic point of view, the decision is correct. More funds will remain in the country, more workers will be employed, and technology will be adopted faster.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 07
      -2
      and what, will it be built in less than 7 years?
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 16 February 2021 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      More funds will remain in the country, more workers will be employed, and technology will be adopted faster.

      In Ukraine? Seriously?
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 16 February 2021 15: 28
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      More funds will remain in the country, more workers will be employed, and technology will be adopted faster.

      As with the means, it is difficult to say, but all the equipment and all devices will need to be purchased, they are not producing their own in Ukraine for ships and ships, and the Turkish side will buy (they have connections). Since the beginning of 2000, skilled workers have moved to the Baltic States, to the Canary Islands, and those who know English in the scope of their specialty have moved to Sweden, Finland, Norway. Now they are already pensioners, almost all GPTUs in these specialties are closed. And it is also impossible to train personnel at non-working factories. Most likely the Turks will work according to the "economic system".
    4. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 16 February 2021 21: 00
      0
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Admittedly, from a technical and economic point of view, the decision is correct ...
      There was an opportunity to get a combat-ready ship and replenish the Navy with a new pennant, and not motor boats ...
      Now the place of the "cruiser" Ukraine will take another ... (the location of the ship will be different, but I'm talking about the essence of the state of affairs).
  5. Cool but not Igor
    Cool but not Igor 16 February 2021 13: 04
    .
    And you say that Ukraine is everything! No, there is still a capable industry there. And this must be taken into account, and not laugh like fools
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 16 February 2021 13: 08
      +8
      Let's not laugh if at least the first corvette is built.
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 08
      -1
      Quote: Cool but not Igor
      And you say that Ukraine is everything! No, there is still a capable industry there. And this must be taken into account, and not laugh like fools

      so they laugh at us ... we are at them ... it is not clear who is funnier ...
    3. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 16 February 2021 13: 13
      +7
      Quote: Cool but not Igor
      And you say that Ukraine is everything! No, there is still a capable industry there. And this must be taken into account, and not laugh like fools

      A capable industry is not capable of building even a corvette body without the help of the Turks. Indeed, at whom to laugh here, here it is necessary to laugh.
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 16 February 2021 14: 49
      +3
      Quote: Cool but not Igor
      And you say that Ukraine is everything! No, there is still a capable industry there. And this must be taken into account, and not laugh like fools

      Why are they even begging for boats and inflatable boats from their owners?
  6. Eldorado
    Eldorado 16 February 2021 13: 05
    +4
    If corvettes are built in Ukraine, they will never reach them.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 16 February 2021 13: 15
      +1
      one hundred %. And so it will be. Brazen are still those.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 16 February 2021 13: 25
      -1
      If they do, they will burn them in the end! It looks like they only have "gas cutters drinks "and not gas welders.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 February 2021 13: 06
    +5
    The contract for the construction of corvettes with Turkey should be signed before April this year.
    It turns out that the contract has not yet been signed, and the announced plans are already enormous.
  8. Pardus22
    Pardus22 16 February 2021 13: 07
    0
    Everything is collapsed, there is no shipbuilding as such in Ukraine. It is not for nothing that they rejoice in the used boats of the West, lest the Turkish corvettes drown when leaving the shipyard.
  9. Volder
    Volder 16 February 2021 13: 12
    +2
    And what about the American combat boats and Turkish UAVs, which will also be built for Ukraine? They will chase several hares - they will not catch a single one. What corvettes, if the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has recognized that there is simply no money to renew the fleet of combat aircraft?
  10. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 16 February 2021 13: 13
    0
    It's easier to convert another Soviet-built fishing trawler into a watchdog, scout or "I'll show you" ... It's cheaper and faster.
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 16 February 2021 13: 14
    0
    And why do they need a corvette, because the striped more than 70 boats have driven them. And in Nikolaev they will finish building this corvette until the middle of the century. Moreover, since the times of the USSR, they have been completing a heavy cruiser, as far as I know.
    1. Petrik66
      Petrik66 16 February 2021 14: 13
      +4
      Rubber boats are needed to ferry cyborgs across the Volga and Don, not for the sea. The money for the construction will be given by England, so that there would be something to put in the new naval bases, which are also built on British pounds. Along the way, there will be changes in the project from a corvette to an armored boat and the transfer of a construction contract to Gunpowder. The main thing is that there is no flood when they hit the side with a bottle. Yes, Girkin will soon declare that this is a terrible threat to the Russian Federation and that everything is gone.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 16 February 2021 16: 47
        0
        what I wonder how the Volga and Don catfish relate to banderyatina?
        1. Petrik66
          Petrik66 16 February 2021 17: 15
          +1
          I'm afraid they don't. Rubber boats are great for fishing and hunting in the mouth of the Danube, so ...... it’s a necessary thing and it’s not long for her to lie around in a part without work. Uprut and blamed on rats who ate American rubber.
        2. Ros 56
          Ros 56 16 February 2021 18: 16
          0
          To find out, you need to conduct real experiments, maybe someone will master the dissertation. laughing
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 16 February 2021 18: 19
        +1
        Do you seriously think the shaved ones are so stupid that they will just give money to the banderlog? Say you were joking, they can lend, but they will have to return three times.
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 17 February 2021 08: 38
        0
        And what, the Volga and the Don have already looked at the Hoh Lamas?
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 16 February 2021 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Moreover, since the times of the USSR, they have been completing a heavy cruiser, as far as I know.
      "Cruiser" Ukraine will go to ferrous metal, "Corvette" Vinnitsa (née Dnieper) - the same is written off to ferrous metal.
      News on VO about the fate of these ships was not long ago.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 17 February 2021 08: 40
        0
        So I am about the same, just recently, even on TV, this long-term construction was shown. I just didn't go into details. hi
  12. Prisoner
    Prisoner 16 February 2021 13: 17
    +1
    winked I repeat, but the main thing for the neighbors is not the result, but the vigorous activity. Rather, the appearance of violent activity.
  13. askort154
    askort154 16 February 2021 13: 17
    +4
    The contract for the construction of corvettes with Turkey should be signed before April this year.

    They have not yet approved the budget for 2021. They waited for a tranche from the IMF, but were refused. Now they are trying to blind from what is. And there is only "trishkin caftan". Therefore, the Turks refused to build completely themselves, for which they will pay, then they will build. They see how Ukraine is systematically engaged in "scammers". Even China was thrown twice.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 16 February 2021 13: 32
      +5
      Ukraine has not thrown the Turks yet. She threw the Chinese, threw the Croats, threw the Iraqis, threw the Kazakhs. And there are no Turks yet. I didn't throw it. Not order. I think they will soon improve here too.
      1. askort154
        askort154 16 February 2021 13: 50
        +2
        OrangeBigg ..She threw the Chinese, she threw the Croats, she threw the Iraqis, she threw the Kazakhs

        The list is even longer: the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Azerbaijan, Serbia and even Russia. hi
        1. Shkworen
          Shkworen 16 February 2021 14: 51
          +3
          in the list still :)
      2. bobba94
        bobba94 16 February 2021 16: 49
        +1
        It did not work to throw the Turks, the Turks caught themselves in time. I'm talking about the sale to Turkey of a batch of defective KUM (modernized Ukrainian kulemet) at the end of last year.
      3. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 16 February 2021 21: 13
        +1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Ukraine has not thrown the Turks yet. She threw the Chinese, threw the Croats, threw the Iraqis, threw the Kazakhs. And there are no Turks yet. I didn't throw it. Not order. I think they will soon improve here too.

        Turkish firms - in Ukraine accomplices - orders for the "great construction" go through them - according to some sources (A. Shariy), up to 40% goes into the "right pocket".
  14. Tuzik
    Tuzik 16 February 2021 13: 18
    0
    they have already completed the project 1164 Atlant ship, on needles
  15. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 16 February 2021 13: 19
    0
    it is for the best, there is a hope that it will not be completed.
    1. cniza
      cniza 16 February 2021 13: 30
      +2
      Will they start building at all, even the contract has not been signed yet ...
  16. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 16 February 2021 13: 19
    +2
    The contract has not yet been signed, but they are already "building")))) the banderlog in Kuev will receive a call from the Reich Chancellery in Washington and everything will be over, they will buy mattress scrap metal)))
    1. cniza
      cniza 16 February 2021 13: 29
      +1
      Yeah, as with the Chinese and the motor - sich ...
  17. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 16 February 2021 13: 22
    +2
    Maybe someone will post today's photo of the Nikolaev miracle shipyard? At least when we came to modernization in Klaipeda in the 2000s, 80% of shipbuilders were from Ukraine. What can I say, even at Atomflot the icebreaker hulls were painted by a brigade from Ukraine on a rotational basis (Murmansk). They will gather people. The last thing they built was a reconnaissance ship on the basis of the SRTMk hull. And then in the end they burned down and removed the consequences of the fire for a year. So they will build a hull in Turkey, because there are no worthy ship hulls!
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 16 February 2021 19: 02
      +2
      And now they are all in Polish shipyards, and Kherson shipyards with them)))
  18. cniza
    cniza 16 February 2021 13: 24
    +3
    The contract for the construction of corvettes with Turkey should be signed before April this year.


    Something tells me that they will negotiate for a long time, change plans and it is not a fact that they will sign a contract, although the Turks really want to get into Ukraine ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 16 February 2021 14: 26
      +1
      The Turks agree, it will be more expensive!
      Then for sure, this ship will never sail anywhere ... will be sawn!
      1. cniza
        cniza 16 February 2021 15: 01
        +2
        It seems to me that they will not be able to agree, but let's see ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 16 February 2021 15: 24
          +1
          so nothing interesting ... news only for skakuas inspirational.
          1. cniza
            cniza 16 February 2021 15: 28
            +2
            Well, they have a lot of mriyas, but they are not the ones who decide, there the owner can also intervene and do as he wants, but now he does not favor the Turks ...
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 16 February 2021 15: 32
              +2
              Quote: cniza
              but they do not decide, there is still the owner can intervene

              why should he interfere? they themselves perfectly dealt with their industry ...
              1. cniza
                cniza 16 February 2021 15: 46
                +2
                I meant to disrupt the signing of an agreement with Turkey ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 16 February 2021 18: 29
                  +1
                  I don’t know what the potheads invented there, BUT, the Turks won’t do anything for nothing, they share something, even more so!
                  They put the noodles in pots, their skakuas, and EVERYTHING!
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 16 February 2021 18: 42
                    +2
                    We understand this, but they don't give them pots ...
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 16 February 2021 18: 49
                      +1
                      even the noodles tend to run out .... then what?
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 16 February 2021 19: 00
                        +2
                        I don’t know, now China will take them seriously ...
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 16 February 2021 19: 07
                        +1
                        There is such ... a feeling that more than one skin will be ripped off them!
                      3. cniza
                        cniza 16 February 2021 20: 41
                        +2
                        These guys are in no hurry and will do everything very thoroughly ...
                      4. rocket757
                        rocket757 16 February 2021 20: 52
                        +1
                        We will see everything, find out, such an event will not pass quietly.
                      5. cniza
                        cniza 16 February 2021 21: 21
                        +2
                        Here, for sure, this action will not pass us by ...
  • Andylw
    Andylw 16 February 2021 13: 30
    .
    great news for Ukraine!
    corvettes modern, toothy
    construction using Ukrainian enterprises will help raise shipbuilding in Ukraine and load the local industry with orders
    5 new corvettes, taking into account the missile boats ordered in Britain, makes the Ukrainian fleet comparable to the Russian Black Sea Fleet in terms of missile power
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 16 February 2021 13: 44
      +3
      Quote: AndyLW
      5 new corvettes

      That will never be built
      1. Andylw
        Andylw 16 February 2021 13: 47
        -4
        "Ukraine will not survive the winter of 2015, it will freeze and fall apart"
        yeah ...
        underestimating an opponent is a direct path to defeat
        will build
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 16 February 2021 13: 50
          +1
          but didn't it fall apart?
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 16 February 2021 14: 10
          0
          Quote: AndyLW
          underestimating an opponent is a direct path to defeat

          While it is kept afloat, but ... How long can they not finish building their own corvette?
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 16 February 2021 13: 31
    +1
    Something seems to me that these dreams will not come true. The construction of the corvette from its own "units and components" and even its own power plant - the whole project needs to be redone. Yes, and components and assemblies must be taken somewhere, they are not in the warehouse. Long song. While the stern is being built, the bow will already rot.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 16 February 2021 13: 31
    +4
    I am translating from Svidomo into Russian: there is no money to finish building a patrol boat in Turkey. Therefore, the empty body will be driven to Nikolaev, welded to the pier so as not to drown, where it will rust like "Ukraine" and after 15 years it will be sawn for scrap
  • Runway
    Runway 16 February 2021 13: 38
    -1
    We'll live until April 1 - we'll see.
    Then 31.12.23/XNUMX/XNUMX. - we'll see. Swing for the ruble, what will the blow be?
  • Ugochaves
    Ugochaves 16 February 2021 13: 41
    +1
    "I'm all so sudden, contradictory" (c): laughing
    Well, they will drag the case, but what will they fill with it? Will they beg for the world?
  • Orkraider
    Orkraider 16 February 2021 14: 03
    +4
    From the point of view of shipbuilders, the most difficult thing is not to build a hull, but to install and saturate this hull with equipment, make friends with each other, eliminate the identified conflicts, carry out a commissioning and go to the ZHI (with the elimination of comments). This is if a more or less finished and debugged project.
    In cases with
    maximum use of Ukrainian components, components and assemblies.
    This is a rework of the project, which means the complication of the task.

    I'm not sure that it won't turn into a long-term construction due to lack of funding. After all, the main money and expenses will fall on the saturation of this building, "samples according to nato standards" laughing
  • Redsun
    Redsun 16 February 2021 14: 14
    +2
    Yeah, they'll take care of the equipment, of course. Especially with Ukrainian knots. It's interesting with which ones? I would have believed it if, on the contrary, the building in Nikolaev was made. Well, then they didn’t equip the cruiser Ukraine, 90% ready? Then something else could like
  • rocket757
    rocket757 16 February 2021 14: 25
    0
    Kiev has changed plans to build Turkish corvettes for the Ukrainian Navy. According to Defense Express, citing its own sources in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the first corvette will be completed in Nikolaev.

    khan to the boat! sawn without leaving the checkout!
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 16 February 2021 14: 28
    +4
    They will buy a case and put it to rust or equip it with junk. The rest will not even start building. Nikolaev did not make ships for 10 years, there was no one left there. The ship is a good thing, but the cost of maintaining it is more abruptly than creating it. It remains to understand why Ukraine needs corvettes with one port and almost complete lack of interests at sea?
    1. bobba94
      bobba94 16 February 2021 17: 01
      +2
      Indeed, the maintenance costs are impressive. About two years ago I read an article in a serious military magazine about the costs of maintaining certain types of weapons. For example, the aircraft carrier Carl Vinson, built in 1980, cost 4,5 million dollars, maintenance - 160 million dollars a year.
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 16 February 2021 15: 02
    +1
    If Ukraine implements all plans for corvettes, missile and other boats, then it will become strong enough in the Black Sea.

    And I think they will implement it, and the United States and other Western countries will pay. They more than compensate for all the costs by the fact that Russia bears heavy losses from breaking ties with Ukraine.

    Although of course nothing shines against Russia for Ukraine, Russia is shooting at the Black Sea from the Crimean coast in all directions, it has powerful air defense, multipurpose fighters, ships with URO and submarines there.

    If anything, we will instantly send the entire ukroflot to the bottom.

    On the other hand, the maintenance of the fleet will tear Ukraine's resources away from the ground forces.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 16 February 2021 19: 32
      +1
      If Ukraine builds up and buys everything that it has planned, then in a year all these troughs will stand idle without fuel, spare parts and crews, I generally keep quiet about weapons. The US and Western countries will not pay anything, unless purchases are planned from them.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2021 15: 25
    +1
    Quote: Finches
    Is it at the shipyards where the hull of the cruiser "Ukraine" is? Then 100% will be completed! laughing Most likely, the changes in plans are not connected with a system that would burden the remnants of their shipbuilding industry, but because there is completely no money for the Turks to do everything! Only enough for the hull ...!

    safe and sound cruiser Ukraine harms Ukraine much more than undermined ... laughingYou can also torpedo the "Zaporozhye", all the peremogs will be overridden. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2021 15: 31
    +3
    Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
    If Ukraine implements all plans for corvettes, missile and other boats, then it will become strong enough in the Black Sea.

    And I think they will implement it, and the United States and other Western countries will pay. They more than compensate for all the costs by the fact that Russia bears heavy losses from breaking ties with Ukraine.

    Although of course nothing shines against Russia for Ukraine, Russia is shooting at the Black Sea from the Crimean coast in all directions, it has powerful air defense, multipurpose fighters, ships with URO and submarines there.

    If anything, we will instantly send the entire ukroflot to the bottom.

    On the other hand, the maintenance of the fleet will tear Ukraine's resources away from the ground forces.

    Losses? laughing Funny If after the end of the brotherhood Ukraine has accumulated debts of 80 billion dollars, then this is the amount that was required to partially replace the Russian costs of maintaining the brotherhood. And after the end of the fraternity, Russia accumulated $ 600 billion in gold and foreign exchange reserves, and spent about the same amount on organizing production facilities replacing Ukrainian products, and this amount of $ 1200 billion is obviously equal to the savings in our costs for maintaining the brotherhood. Imagine - Ukraine has lost a free source of its wealth worth $ 1200 billion, and it is clear that loans worth $ 80 billion have not replaced it. It turns out that Ukraine took all its wealth from Russia, and at the same time convinced us that it supports us. Obviously, that is why she was not taken into the EU, since she so clearly hoped to replace these Russian 1200 billion dollars. at the expense of the EU, being under the auspices of the United States, which did not even bother to disguise these modest desires. laughing
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 16 February 2021 15: 47
    +3
    Nikolaev Shipyard named after 61 Communards, also known as Shipyard No. 445, has a long history. It was laid down in 1787 and has launched hundreds of ships in its history. In Soviet times, almost all large anti-submarine ships (BOD), including Project 61, were "riveted" here. In the pre-war years, before the Great Patriotic War, Nikolaev shipbuilders produced the legendary "Pike" - diesel submarines of the "Sh" project. Almost the entire Soviet fishing fleet, which sailed the waters of the Pacific and Atlantic oceans, the Baltic, the Black Sea, was also equipped with Nikolaev-made trawlers.

    Objectively speaking, sovereign Ukraine in the form of Nikolaev shipyards received a huge military-industrial complex. Even now there is nothing like this in the world, and only the giant South Korean shipyard Hyundai Heavy Industries Ulsan Shipyard could compare with the Nikolaev shipyards of the USSR period. The situation with the Navy is no better: the flagship Hetman Sagaidachny is a former Soviet border patrol. Since 2005, at the same Nikolaev shipyards, they have been building (or rather, they are not building) the first Ukrainian corvette “Vladimir the Great”, the ship's readiness level does not even reach 50 percent.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 16 February 2021 16: 28
    +2
    What means? I remember for the completion of the project 58250 Ukrainian corvette "Volodymyr the Great" they collected money from all over the country and did not complete the construction. Here we are talking about a whole series of Turkish corvette of the Ada type
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 17 February 2021 07: 34
      0
      States sponsor. Biden.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 17 February 2021 08: 32
        0
        Quote: aleks700
        States sponsor. Biden.

        The United States sponsors shipbuilders in Turkey and Ukraine, but I don’t believe it. And given the construction of a series of 4 Turkish corvettes of the Ada type for Pakistan, where the amount of $ 1,5 billion appears, it raises doubts that Ukraine will receive something. They were given $ 200 mil FOR ALL needs!
  • Sevastiec
    Sevastiec 16 February 2021 17: 01
    +2
    The serious tone of the article (as if all this could really happen) makes it even more amusing.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 16 February 2021 21: 13
    +3
    This is good news rather than bad!
    I would even say - it calms (to a certain extent) my already frayed nerves.
    In fact, one can only congratulate the Turkish shipbuilding company with sufficient financial investments in the family budget.
    The following calms down: knowing the system of work in the UA from the inside ... When the corps turn into a real combat unit is a big / big question. And as if the body-on metal and did not go away in the end.
  • wow
    wow 16 February 2021 23: 03
    +2
    With the help of what - "Ukrainian specialists" ??? The only specialists left on Ukraine are theft and nonsense. Others are somehow not observed.
  • aleks700
    aleks700 17 February 2021 07: 33
    +1
    And this is one of the most important reasons why Nikolaev also had to be taken away or included in Novorossiya, which would be even better.
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 17 February 2021 09: 36
    0
    Nice combination. The Turks make the most ambitious and simplest - the corps. They get money, share with whomever they need, and that's it. And the most difficult thing is taken by Ukraine. The right people get money for this, and it disappears in an unknown direction. You can even more than once. Nobody sees what is going on inside. Secret.
    Excellent two-way. And more is not necessary.
    And yes. People! Enough to call shipyards shipyards. Well, this is not a shipyard.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 18 February 2021 11: 23
    0
    corvettes will be built at the Okean plant in Nikolaev with the maximum use of Ukrainian components, components and assemblies.

    Then the deadline for the first round. boards + uk. fillings are gradually leaving by 2035 wassat