Mikhalkov: Then the task was to destroy the USSR, and now - to destroy Russia

In the new issue of his author's program "Besogon" Nikita Mikhalkov decided to reflect on what and who is behind the forces that today show themselves as fighters for democratic values ​​in Russia, for a country without corruption, for a country with European ideals. At the same time, Mikhalkov cites an interview with Boris Yeltsin in 1990, when he was asked whether he was going to lead the USSR instead of Mikhail Gorbachev. Then Yeltsin, having answered "No", uttered his famous phrase: "The future belongs to Russia."

Mikhalkov also cites the words of the famous dissident, writer, Soviet philosopher Alexander Zinoviev, who in the same 1990 sorted the situation "on the shelves." In an interview with the same program (indicated in the plot), Alexander Zinoviev directly noted why the West supports Gorbachev and Yeltsin so much. According to the writer, the West is interested not in the Soviet people living in wealth and prosperity, but in the Soviet Union ceasing to exist.
Zinoviev:

That is why they pat on the shoulder - they say, come on, Misha, go for it! And they are happy to try. And if the West sees that they are not engaged in the collapse of the Communist Party, the support will immediately stop.

Nikita Mikhalkov is trying to "try on" the situation of the late 1980s - early 1990s today - when the West has new protégés, with the help of which they are trying to implement a new scenario of destabilization in Russia.

Mikhalkov:

The task is the same. Then the task was to destroy the Soviet Union, today the task is to destroy Russia.

"Besogon":

Comments

[neri73-r]

Everything is correct, it is.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: neri73-r

Everything is correct, it is.

Yes, I agree, that's how it is. There is only one question. Wasn't this Mikhalkov working hard to help destroy the Union?

[Svarog]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Wasn't this Mikhalkov working hard to help destroy the Union?

A very good question .. And those who are now at the helm are somehow involved in this collapse, or were followers of those who destroyed it. And now there is nothing to ruin ... everything has collapsed long ago. Through their own efforts ..

[Nick Casey]

,, And now there is nothing to ruin ... everything has long been ruined ,,

Well, why is there nothing. Kaliningrad, Crimea, Kuril Islands and much more can be distributed. The Chinese, and not only, would gladly chop off Siberia. Etc.

[Machito]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Wasn't this Mikhalkov working hard to help destroy the Union?

A very good question .. And those who are now at the helm are somehow involved in this collapse, or were followers of those who destroyed it. And now there is nothing to ruin ... everything has collapsed long ago. Through their own efforts ..

Nikita Mikhalkov alone cannot be ruined: he played on Stalin's knees as a child, and under Brezhnev and Yeltsin he shone in films, and under Putin he promotes. Always on horseback. Like it: never sinks. And he is always honest and principled, under any government. Here is such a multi-vector person. But he is far from his father, he has already written three national anthems for the same music. And also from the heart, from the soul. He can write poetry to the Stalinist anthem, or to Putin's. Super principled tovarisch. Will never betray.

[Alex777]

What Mikhalkov is doing now, consistently and effectively - works for the good of Russia. Definitely.
I prefer to support him rather than remember old mistakes.
Who among us was not wrong?
I voted for Prokhorov. And there are many around me. And where is this Prokhorov now?
Thank God that our mistake did not affect anything then.
But it is no longer necessary to allow new ones.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Alex777

I prefer to support him rather than remember old mistakes.
Who among us was not wrong?

And so stop a hundred times. Depending on the market conditions to your advantage.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Alex777

Who among us was not wrong?

did you notice how he threw a stick at Lenin, ranking him among the Western agents? But to initiate an investigation - who allowed two suspended sentences ?? he will not have enough adherence for this -100%

[Alex777]

We live in a difficult time in a difficult country.
Gref was enough to hook Mikhalkov on principle.
Few people are capable of this. Trust me. Many talked about this among themselves. But out loud, to the whole country - no one but him.

[aybolyt678]

honor and praise to him, but in my opinion on YouTube a lot of videos appeared at that time. I don't watch TV, I don't have it But really. whole transmission.

[Alex777]

And the transfer was, and its consequences:
1) Besogon was removed from Russia-1,
2) VVP gave him a Hero Star.
I do not associate the latter with a specific transmission, but it is very similar to a "title of protection".
Everything is very difficult in the Russian state.
Only a small part of what is happening reaches us.
No details or comments.
Here, as they say, let him who has ears hear.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Alex777

Here, as they say, let him who has ears hear.

so want to believe in heroes!

[Alex777]

And what about his speeches against the Yeltsin Center?
Even Zyuganov did not dare to do this.
And there is nothing to object there.
By the way, I support the proposal to revoke the citizenship of characters calling for the introduction of any sanctions against Russia.
Because I consider it unacceptable, in any form, to use external forces to resolve internal issues.
Although the article in the Constitution will have to be changed for this.

[aybolyt678]

you convinced me, now to find a politician who would lead ...

[Alex777]

While there is one. Even though it's very hard for him.
How many useful undertakings are blocked by non-whipped bureaucracy and oligarchy, you cannot write here.
One removal of Chubais from Rusnano and an attempt to transform the "development corporations" are worth a lot.
But so far the situation with national projects is stalled.
I hope that the government will be able to bring it to a useful result.
Who will replace the GDP, I think, we will find out soon enough.

[Vlad5307]

Then remember to him that he also wrote in his pants and sucked his mother's tit!

[aybolyt678]

Burnt by the sun, damn it. A masterpiece, he says it seems to be correct, but then, too, it seems to be correct !!! how to believe him now ???

[Foxmara]

Listen to yourself. Do you understand that now he is speaking correctly? Well, if you're interested, let's analyze why then he sincerely said other things.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Foxmara

Do you understand that now he is speaking correctly? Well, if you're interested, let's analyze why then he sincerely said other things.

I thought, and decided that not everything he says correctly. The biggest wrong is the second suspended sentence. How did it happen? who arranged it? who benefits from it? It would be much more interesting to me.
It is possible to speak about the sincerity of a professional actor and businessman from art only from the point of view of profit, I remember that "The Barber of Siberia" cost the budget several million dollars.
He is a real conductor of the information field of today. Had he had a principled civic position, he would have found a lot of things that our government would not have liked .. And here in the videos is the usual mainstream.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Wasn't this Mikhalkov working hard to help destroy the Union?

Remember not forgotten.

[Kart]

Even if this one.
Does this somehow invalidate the validity of his conclusion?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Carte

Even if this one.
Does this somehow invalidate the validity of his conclusion?

Do not go for d-u-r-a-c-o-m, even if he points the right way. In the end, it will still lead to the wrong place.

[Kart]

You don't have to follow anyone.
What do you all choose a leader for yourself?
But if someone makes the right conclusion, you should listen to him. Whoever he is.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Carte

But if someone makes the right conclusion, you should listen to him.

Yeah. And we, fools, do not understand anything without him. He opened our eyes straight to us.
Why was he not so smart in the late 80s and 90s? I understand if a hard worker with a secondary education, preoccupied with feeding his family, does not understand anything about politics. But he, with a higher education, well-read, did not understand what the hunchback and the drunk were leading to?
And now he mows a wise man. The nozzle would be better in a rag and not protrude.

[fighter angel]

He, most likely, then understood everything.
But the golden calf is merciless.
He broke it.
He really wanted to become a real Barin, Sergei Sergeich Paratov.
So he became one, and now he teaches us from the height of his lordship ...

[d1975]

That's right, vacillation does not lead to anything good, there are not so many left on the Russians (Russians).

[210ox]

There is such an animal. Judas the goat who leads the flock of sheep to the slaughter. He will not suffer, for he is learned and knows the way to the slaughter, but alas, others.

[Yuri Tverdokhleb]

Cervantes (well, the one who wrote Don Quixote) also wrote insults and arguments wrong.
Continue in the same spirit, and eternal freedom will welcome you joyfully at the entrance.

[210ox]

The fairness of the conclusion? So should he talk about it? Shameful, changing shoes in a jump.

[Civil]

The master came, again indicates to the slaves what and how to do)

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Carte

Even if this one.
Does this somehow invalidate the validity of his conclusion?

no, it's annoying ... and for some reason I think - what's wrong ??? You know, it's like in an American court: - I swear to tell the truth, only the truth, nothing but the truth but not the whole Truth ...

[210ox]

If you remember his opuses, "Burnt by the Sun" and then "Citadel". Then he worked hard. Which is what his relatives are doing now. In general, this entire clan of Mikhalkov-Konchalovsky lived well under any power, though they consistently shit on it.

[neri73-r]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

There is only one question. Wasn't this Mikhalkov working hard to help destroy the Union?

We all helped to destroy the Union, some took active action, some simply kept silent (knowingly or through misunderstanding), some told jokes about the Scoop, some bought jeans, and so on. And the majority eventually realized that we had been tricked! This does not change our attitude towards the collapse of the Union and attempts to destroy Russia. If Mikhalkov understood this and is trying to prevent the worst now, then only respect to him!

[210ox]

I partially agree. Personally, at that tragic moment, I was under thirty. And he was concerned, alas, not with the preservation of the state, but with the construction of his house, with his family, with the prey of everything at that moment. And we did not understand what was happening then.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Is this what he is trying to prevent? Consistently destroying the country with their activities? Or do you really believe that the restoration of this wild backward lost Russia is the greatest benefit for the people? Well then, your forehead is waiting for a meeting with the rake handle.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Consistently destroying the country with their activities?

So destroying that all our partners dream of removing it.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

This is only because he protects the interests of the wrong capital. But his activities are destructive in any case.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

This is only because he protects the interests of the wrong capital.

So he's not a traitor after all?

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

But his activities are destructive in any case.

Something is imperceptible.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dart2027

So he's not a traitor after all?

It depends on who what and at what moment.

Quote: Dart2027

Something is imperceptible.

For those who do not want to see always unnoticed.

[neri73-r]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

It depends on who what and at what moment.

Your answer is like wagging something, can you specifically answer?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Specifically a vague question?

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

It depends on who what and at what moment.

Quote: neri73-r

Your answer is like wagging something, can you specifically answer?

You can’t say more precisely.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

For those who do not want to see

That you are self-critical.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

So this is your bot or what? In the degree of stupidity, in any case, you are the same.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

So this is your bot or what?

That is, there is nothing to object, and it is impossible to say something clever.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

I'm glad you realized how stupid.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

I'm glad you realized how stupid.

You are self-critical, but true.

[neri73-r]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

I'm glad you realized how stupid.

Blown away!

[WIKI]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Yes, I agree, that's how it is.

According to the writer, the West is interested not in the Soviet people living in wealth and prosperity, but in the Soviet Union ceasing to exist.

The task is the same. Then the task was to destroy the Soviet Union, today the task is to destroy Russia.

If we would like to destroy Russia, they would have successfully performed it in the 90s. Their main goal is to leave our country as a raw material appendage of the West, converting profit into foreign currency and exporting it outside the state. At the moment, this mechanism is fine-tuned and suits everyone. And no one cares about the people, both Soviet and Russian.

[Achilles]

Quote: WIKI

If we would like to destroy Russia, they would have successfully performed it in the 90s. Their main goal is to leave our country as a raw material appendage of the West, converting profit into foreign currency and exporting it outside the state. At the moment, this mechanism is fine-tuned and suits everyone. And no one cares about the people, both Soviet and Russian.

Come on, but what about the documents that talk about the collapse of Russia into several small pieces, and part of the territory generally goes to different countries and these documents are in the public domain, the collective west (Soros and others like him) openly speak of the desire for the collapse of Russia

[WIKI]

Quote: Achilles

documents are publicly available,

I would like to read it, only with reference to authoritative media.

[WIKI]

Where is the link to the documents? Or is it now customary to crow for no reason?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: WIKI

If we would like to destroy Russia, they would have successfully performed it in the 90s.

You think so? Do you want to say that the drunk and his entourage, everything, did not prevent this? Perhaps someone from the environment tried to do this, but there were also opponents of this. And they weren't allowed. If the supporters of Russia's collapse had sufficient strength, they would not have allowed Putin, but would have made Kozyrev president, for example.
So, no, we couldn't, but really wanted to.
And where is the logic - in the 90s they did not want to, but in the 2000s they did?

[WIKI]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Do you want to say that the drunk and his entourage, everything, did not interfere with this?

Obstructed. And how. Who wants to share the loot and illegally acquired. There are no fools. They were interested in the fate of the country insofar as. That continues to this day.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

then they would not have allowed Putin, but would have made Kozyrev president, for example.

The difference is that Kozyrev is a rag compared to Putin. Is it possible to trust such a stable pumping of resources to the west?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: WIKI

The difference is that Kozyrev is a rag compared to Putin. Is it possible to trust such a stable pumping of resources to the west?

This is exactly what the state should have been entrusted with. And then do what you want. But no, there were still forces who did not really like such a prospect.

[Mikhail3]

There is only one question. Wasn't this Mikhalkov working hard to help destroy the Union?

This. But he is now a thinker) But in general, clowns are clowns - they were ordered to jump and somersault there - they tumble over there, making corresponding faces.

[Konnick]

This "Besogon" has no right to talk about it, this surname has stained itself in many ways, for example, his uncle:

Mikhail Mikhalkov is the brother of Sergei Mikhalkov and the uncle of Nikita Mikhalkov. He worked for the German armed forces.

By the beginning of the war, Mikhail served in a special department of the NKVD (military counterintelligence), but in 1941, after the fall of Kiev, he was captured. Thanks to his excellent knowledge of the German language, Mikhail managed to pass himself off as an ethnic German, to whom the attitude in captivity was better. As a result, he became a kitchen worker for the 2nd SS Panzer Division.

Already at the end of the war, he managed to get the uniform of the SS Haupsturmfuehrer and crossed the border with the USSR in Latvia, where he was again taken prisoner, this time by the Soviet.

As Mikhail himself later wrote, finding himself surrounded by Soviet soldiers, so as not to show himself a traitor to his homeland, he continued to pretend to be a German.

Later, Mikhail's identity was established and he managed to avoid imprisonment. Until the end of the 40s, he served as an undercover agent in a state security prison. True, as a result, he was accused of espionage and spent 5 years in prison. When he was released, Mikhail took up creative work: he composed songs on military themes, promoted military-patriotic education, etc. He has been awarded numerous awards and prizes from the field of art.

Adaptation in one word.

[Siberian54]

Surprisingly, his political outlook did not change dramatically, he was never very close to those in power, neither to the fucking nor the GDP, for which the liberal get-together kept nibbling at him all the time.

[sniperino]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Was it not this Mikhalkov who worked in the sweat of his brow helping to destroy the Union?

Not this and not that. N. Mikhalkov joined the creation of a new state - the Russian Federation, and he did not destroy the USSR, for he was a statesman. And Carthage - he did not destroy.

[RUSS]

Quote: neri73-r

Everything is correct, it is.

Meaning? Why do we need a country in chaos with nuclear weapons and a hungry 140 million people?
Correctly Nikolai Fomenko said- "
We are of no interest to the world community, except that we must somehow be kept because we frighten everyone. All the time we shout from behind the fence "Oooh!" and wave a stick "

[Snail N9]

Yes, it was the "West" that destroyed the USSR, and I see that this "West" comes to the USSR and says: "Well, it quickly collapsed!" and the USSR so-cried and went to fall apart ... And all the others, including the population, "don't want it", they didn’t want to, but the West took everything and destroyed it. And all by myself .. Yeah. And now he (the West) is destroying Russia, where for some reason not Russians live (We are Russians! God is with us!) But “Russians” and he is destroying the actions of “effective managers” whom he brought from the moon, he is destroying poor Russia with the help of, the introduced "vertical of power" based only on personal loyalty and on clan-family support, it was the West that deprived the Russian "people from the street" of social and professional lifts and is building a caste, clan-family state, the "cunning" West introduced a "budget rule", according to which Russia can print only as many rubles as it "earns" currency, and it must necessarily export this currency to the "west", investing in "Western financial instruments", thereby keeping the Russian economy "fat-free" - without money. ..... the insidious West shoves money into the pockets of "officials" and "servants of the people" in ever-increasing quantities, thereby specially whetting their appetites, taking their relatives, real estate and bank accounts to themselves - "abroad",the west is pumping Russia's natural resources abroad ", our young people are enough who are the most literate and able-bodied and take them by force to their" west ", it was the" west "that established the minimum wage in Russia in the amount of 175 USD and by all means does not allow the Russian government to raise it, the west said that the average salary in Russia starts from 17000 rubles, that is, from 250 USD, the “west” also raised the retirement age in Russia and does not allow it to be returned back, it was the west and no one else who promised to create 25 million “highly paid, high-tech workers places, make an average salary in Russia of at least 2500 USD, provide the family with housing of at least 100 sq. m. and so on, and then said, "I ask you to treat with understanding" ... the damned West is building "no man's" palaces in protected areas of Russia for " no one knows who, "and the common people are pushing the" cheloveinik "and so on and so forth. Yes, Mikhalkov is right when he says all this he (the West) does not alone, but together with the "fifth column" - the enemies of the people - "bulk", "liberals". "agents of the State Department" and other disaffected. It is they who do not allow the country to develop, so it is necessary to destroy them. Let's destroy them and then we will "live". Yes, we will "live". Let's rally. "Enemies all around". "The Englishwoman crap" ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: RUSS

We are not of interest to the world community, except that we must somehow be held because we frighten everyone.

True? Russia threatens to destroy the world? This is something new, they usually shout that they say "Putin sold Russia, our elites are no longer ours," but there it is.

[RUSS]

Quote: Dart2027

? Russia threatens to destroy the world?

Putin, Davos 2021.
The extension of START III is a step in the right direction to avoid global conflict. But the world contradictions "twist", so the situation can develop unpredictably and uncontrollably. If nothing is done, then "there is a possibility of encountering a real breakdown in world development, fraught with the struggle of all against all."

[Dart2027]

Quote: RUSS

Putin, Davos 2021.

And how is it that Putin is constantly fanning armed conflicts all over the world, creating terrorist organizations, helping neo-fascists, etc.? But I see that it is the United States that is doing this, and Putin is forced to respond to threats.

[Finches]

The master speaks the matter Although the very stigma in the gun about the collapse of the USSR, but, you see, he realized and understood that he was playing the fool then!

[210ox]

Well, yes, only it looks like "Captain Charm". And we are aware of the insides of this type.

[Aerodrome]

so ... the old "demon" interviewed Zinoviev ... right now we are waiting for Trotsky to visit ...

[Baloo]

Quote: neri73-r

Everything is correct, it is.

My position:

Think the navral sect.

[kotvov]

Think, the sect of the nasty. ,,
Are you talking about Putin? He's already lying so much that the bulk will be jealous, the leshik is clear for whom he works, but for whom the "guarantor" works, the question is.

[Baloo]

Quote: kotvov

Think, the sect of the nasty. ,,
Are you talking about Putin? He's already lying so much that the bulk will be jealous, the leshik is clear for whom he works, but for whom the "guarantor" works, the question is.

let's elect you for president, since you are so smart. Education? degree in economics? Experience? Achievements?

[kotvov]

You are direct and tell everything. Vaughn Platoshkin spoke and where is he? They will definitely not vote for you, for they are blind as a mole. Wave your caps on and vote for Wow, there will be more billionaires and less population.

[halpat]

Quote: neri73-r

Everything is correct, it is.

I watched and listened to Nikita Sergeevich at the Frankfurt airport, in 1996-97.
He most likely thought that there were no other people who understood Russian and sounded like a completely ragged ... authoritative businessman, as various kinds of bandits have been called for some time now.
Nikita Sergeevich was solving some of his business issues, he was not shy in expressions.
his "Zhmurki" rest in comparison with reality.
From that time on, he is no authority for me, and no expert either.

[iouris]

not properly. The USSR was considered Russia, Russia was considered the USSR.

[Baloo]

then the ram was EBN with Gorbachev, now the sect of the
The Look logically sets out what they are embarrassed to say in the media and on talk shows:
"Three founders of the" Navalny project "
Petr Akopov, columnist for RIA Novosti
and on Tsar-Grad: "He is not Lyokha for you! The Israeli trace in the Navalny case"
Why does Lech behave this way? Works out babos. Hoping that the post-presidential elections will be released on parole as a hero-convict? So he mows like a holy fool.

[Malver]

Navralny ... What did Navalny lie about ??? About the palace? About corruption of officials? Gull? Shuvalov? All lies?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Malver

Navralny ... What did Navalny lie about ??? About the palace? About corruption of officials? Gull? Shuvalov? All lies?

True, only whose truth is he and for whom he voices, for the people or for the State Department.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: tihonmarine

True, only whose truth is he and for whom he voices, for the people or for the State Department.

The truth is always the same ...... The Nautilus used to have such a song, remember? Its interpretations are different, but facts always remain facts.

[Boris55]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The truth is always the same ...

Navalny and K + are changing the truth of everyone in order to change the truth of many.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Boris55

Navalny and K + are changing the truth of everyone in order to change the truth of many.

Did you understand what you said? As for Navalny and K, you just need to look at the facts that no one refutes and is not going to refute, such as what he showed how and for how much Putin's friends and relatives received their assets. He said that the family of VV Putin was vacationing abroad on the money of a German banker, when VV Putin worked as an official in the presidential administration (a bribe seems to be obtained), he also said that VV Putin, working for Sobchak, was connected with crime. No one has ever commented or denied this, they modestly kept silent. And where did he get this information, from the CIA or MI6 or somewhere else, it is of little interest to me.

[Boris55]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

you just have to look at the facts

"Facts don't exist - there are only interpretations of facts"Nietzsche.

The facts reflect the tactics behind which many do not see the strategy, which is what our enemies use. Remember what happened. (I can't find a photo of the times of the liberal G. Popov's rule. Under him, Moscow was one big dump ...) Is there anything like that now?

(Photo: Moscow, three stations.)

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Boris55

Facts don't exist - there are only interpretations of facts

The well-known axiom: "One and only one straight line passes through any two points" is a fact! What "interpretations" will you have here? Don't take Nietzsche's words out of context.

[Boris55]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Well-known axiom: "One and only one straight line passes through any two points"

So you are interested in the axiom or facts (mathematics or politics)? You will decide.

Everything you know about Putin's path to power, you consider defaming him. Good. Now imagine that at the beginning of perestroika you are a major in the USSR foreign intelligence abroad and you need to enter power, take the presidency, take over control and revive the country. What will be your path?

ps
I hope you do not think that anyone who wishes can enter the Kremlin, into the president's office, throw him out of there and take his place. If you think so, why haven't you done it yet?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Boris55

I hope you do not think that anyone who wishes can enter the Kremlin, into the president's office, throw him out of there and take his place. If you think so, why haven't you done it yet?

And some are unable to think about it at all. It's easier to criticize.

[Kart]

We are talking about the interpretation of what he saw, depending on the conditions of observation and the ability to analyze.
Everyone in my opinion understands. Well, except for you, of course.

[Nazar]

Boris55 - A staggering achievement of the RF rulers, ALL in 20 years - they stopped the vodka trade "from hand" - and the "big garbage dump" did not go anywhere, just moved from Moscow to the "castle" - in Shies, for example, you call it "strategy" ?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Boris55

I cannot find a photo of the times of the liberal G. Popov's rule. Under him, Moscow was one big dump ...) Is there something like that now?

Bor, 2013. I am standing at three stations. A man comes up to me, there is no living space on him, he asks for 200 rubles. The riot police immediately jumped up, the man was taken away.

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And where did he get this information, from the CIA or MI6 or somewhere else, I don't care much.

So the fact that he works for them is okay?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

No one has ever commented or denied this, they modestly kept silent.

Putin has nothing to do.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

So the fact that he works for them is okay?

Yes, I don't give a damn about that. English was invented by the insidious Anglo-Saxons, so now I should write the names of variables in Russian, or should I not read the documentation if it is in English?

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: aleksejkabanets
No one has ever commented or denied this, they modestly kept silent.

Putin has nothing to do.

And according to the law, the prosecutor's office must conduct an inspection, since the information was published in the media, and according to the results of the check, either punish the perpetrators or put Navalny in prison for libel.

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Yes, I don't give a damn about that.

That is, you agree to work for a foreign agent. Then please start all your posts with a warning that you are a foreign agent.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And according to the law, the prosecutor's office must check

Every newspaper article? And this is according to what law ?.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, you agree to work for a foreign agent. Then please start all your posts with a warning that you are a foreign agent.

But from this place in more detail, please. What do you think is my job? I can just as well accuse you of working for Chubais, Gref, Potanin, since you defend their interests with your comments. In none of my comments have I advocated Navalny's libertarian ideology.

Quote: Dart2027

Every newspaper article? And this is according to what law ?.

GENERAL PROSECUTOR OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
ORDER
17.05.2018 No. 296

5.2. Monitor the leading federal media on a daily basis, as well as the Internet in order to promptly inform the leadership of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation about violations of laws, emergencies and other most significant events. Immediately transfer such materials to the appropriate structural divisions of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation to organize verification of the information provided.

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

What do you think is my job? I might as well accuse you of working for

Blame.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

What do you think is my job?

Are you promoting his ideas? Congratulations, you work for him.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Monitor the leading federal mass media on a daily basis, as well as the Internet

And the prosecutor's office should recall Navalny's claims? Is this the one who tried to give out the gate with the coat of arms of Montenegro? Seriously?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

Are you promoting his ideas? Congratulations, you work for him.

Once again I tell you, watch your language. Where, when and what ideas of Navalny did I promote? Give proof, at least one. Navalny is drowning for liberalism in the economy, like your beloved "Solntseliky", by the way, but I have completely different views on the socio-economic structure of the state.

Quote: Dart2027

And the prosecutor's office should recall Navalny's claims? Is this the one who tried to give out the gate with the coat of arms of Montenegro? Seriously?

I am obliged to react, I gave you the order. And the fact that she does not want to do this leads to very bad thoughts.

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Where, when and what ideas of Navalny did I promote?

All your posts that I read are protecting his interests.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

I am obliged to react, I gave you the order.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

to organize the verification of the stated information.

Will there be evidence that they have not tested them?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

All your posts that I read are protecting his interests.

Give a specific post, otherwise your lies are starting to tire me already.

Quote: Dart2027

Will there be evidence that they have not tested them?

The evidence that they checked would have been either the imprisonment of Navalny for libel, or the imprisonment of our senior officials, if Navalny does not slander.

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Give a specific post

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Did you understand what you said? As for Navalny and K, you just need to look at the facts that no one refutes and is not going to refute, such as what he showed how and for how much Putin's friends and relatives received their assets.

Not tired of lying?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

would be either Navalny's landing for libel

Putin has nothing to do but sue him personally. Have I already written this to you? Or to your colleague, I don't remember.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

Not tired of lying?

And what has someone denied? If they did not refute it, although they should have been by law, it means that Navalny did not lie.

Quote: Dart2027

Putin has nothing to do but sue him personally. Have I already written this to you? Or to your colleague, I don't remember.

I answer, once again, "for those in the tank" that there is a corresponding order:

Quote: aleksejkabanets

GENERAL PROSECUTOR OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
ORDER
17.05.2018 No. 296

5.2. Monitor the leading federal media on a daily basis, as well as the Internet in order to promptly inform the leadership of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation about violations of laws, emergencies and other most significant events. Immediately transfer such materials to the appropriate structural divisions of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation to organize verification of the information provided.

In accordance with which the prosecutor's office is obliged to respond and order an inspection. Based on the results of the check, a criminal case should have been initiated, either against Navalny for libel, or against the top officials of the state, based on the facts set out in the film you know. Have you heard about the libel case initiated by Navalny? I have not heard, then the other party is guilty. If they initiate a libel case against Navalny based on the film, let me know. I really want to know that our leadership is crystal honest people.

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: aleksejkabanets
Give a specific post

So, what about the post in which I share Navalny's views and defend his interests?

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And what has someone denied?

How many times have they analyzed the fake of his film?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

In accordance with which the prosecutor's office is obliged to respond and order an inspection. Based on the results of the check, a criminal case should have been initiated

And Putin has nothing to do except to sue Navalny.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

So, what about the post in which I share Navalny's views and defend his interests?

Quote: Dart2027

Did you understand what you said? As for Navalny and K, you just need to look at the facts that no one refutes and is not going to refute, such as what he showed how and for how much Putin's friends and relatives received their assets.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

How many times have they analyzed the fake of his film?

Well, poke your finger at me who and where denied Navalny in the part that
he showed how and for how much VV Putin's friends and relatives received their assets. With regard to the fact that the family of VV Putin was vacationing abroad on the money of a German banker, when VV Putin worked as an official in the presidential administration (a bribe seems to be obtained). Nobody denied the words of Navalny and the fact that VV Putin, working for Sobchak, was associated with crime. Nobody denied this. If you find where it is refuted - send the link. The duty of the prosecutor's office is to schedule an inspection, why hasn't it been done?

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: Dart2027
Did you understand what you said? As for Navalny and K, you just need to look at the facts that no one refutes and is not going to refute, such as what he showed how and for how much Putin's friends and relatives received their assets.

This is the comment on yours, I protect the interests of Navalny? A thief should sit in jail! Is this protection of Navalny's interests? The prosecutor's office must conduct a check, as a result of which either the thief must go to jail, or the slanderer must go to jail! Is this protection of Navalny's interests? Are you out of your mind at all?

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Well, stick your finger at me who and where

Poke your finger at me where your Fuhrer appealed to the prosecutor's office.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

This is the comment on yours, I protect the interests of Navalny?

Don't you know that? Congratulations.

[Kart]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

also said that VV Putin, while working for Sobchak, was connected with crime. No one has ever commented or denied this, they modestly kept silent. And where did he get this information, from the CIA or MI6 or somewhere else, I don't care much.

Well, yes, indeed. Who cares from what trash it was received, how much it is true.
The main thing is that this "information" fits perfectly into the template in your head.
Everything else can be swept aside. Or not to believe.
Here's everything you need to know about the perception of reality by fighters against the regime.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Carte

Well, yes, indeed. Who cares from what trash it was received, how much it is true.
The main thing is that this "information" fits perfectly into the template in your head.
Everything else can be swept aside. Or not to believe.
Here's everything you need to know about the perception of reality by fighters against the regime.

Repeat

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And according to the law, the prosecutor's office must conduct an inspection, since the information was published in the media, and according to the results of the check, either punish the perpetrators or put Navalny in prison for libel.

For such films, someone should sit down, or one or the other. Personally, I am satisfied with both options.

[Snail N9]

And where did he get this information, from the CIA or MI6 or somewhere else, I'm not interested in this

This is not interesting to you, just as, in fact, it is probably not interesting who built and who owns the "palace" itself, against the background of which all connections are being investigated. The "palace" is just the entourage of the rest of the investigation. But on the other hand, this is the "most important thing" for ...... well, it is clear "for whom" - this is what "the intervention of the Western special services" shows them! this is proof that "Lesha is an agent"! , "Lesha the traitor"! - this is the main thing for them. And all the rest is some kind of garbage, think of family ties and companionship, we ourselves have a snout in the cannon, why blame for this ... this is such a Russian feature-feature like, "But Lesha is an agent! Traitor!"

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Snail N9

It is not interesting for you how ....

In general, it is difficult for me to understand what is going on in their heads. A certain fact has been published (with a bribe, for example) that smears the face of our state with a known substance. This fact must be either confirmed or refuted. The perpetrators must be punished. That's it, point! The fact that the prosecutor's office has not yet initiated a libel check leads to very bad thoughts and almost unambiguously suggests that such facts are taking place. I see no other explanation.

[Snail N9]

H'm. And, here everything, just understandable, if Lesha-Sisyan is attracted for slander in the film, then you will have to "stir up the old linen", investigate and refute all the facts indicated in the film, and then it will come out that "Mama do not cry." No one can even guess where all this may lead, in the case of investigation of Lesha's "facts." Everyone understands this and therefore will never attract Lesha for libel, so as not to completely shake the boat and not to drown the entire "vertical of power" and indeed the entire political system created over the past 20 years in Russia ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Snail N9

No one can even guess where all this may lead, in the case of investigation of Lesha's "facts."

And I would like to. So much "dirty laundry" will come out even after privatization, or even earlier. I sometimes think that a side goal is to pinch our "best people" after Navalny has been condemned by some sort of Basmanny court. Because the ECHR's appeal investigation would allow them to squeeze out a lot of ill-earned funds, they are good at doing this.
I don't understand something else, what is going on in the minds of the witnesses of the "Great Lord of Ershiks" sect, that's where the mystery is for me.

[Snail N9]

So here it is, everything is simple, this sect consists of a "force camp" + a small number of "entrepreneurs" who have sucked in one way or another to the state feeder, and of military pensioners. All of them are obliged to the existing government, which gave some to earn extra money on contracts, to others, greatly raised salaries and pensions, compared with the 90s, and leaving them and other nishtyak benefits that were deprived of other people in the country, for example, free sanatoriums, early retirement, etc. Naturally, they will drown to the end for power, point-blank without noticing everything else, because they understand that if others come to power, there will be a reshuffle of personnel, plus a cut in feeding and nishtyaks, equalization in rights and obligations .. and so they are reluctant to go to work on construction sites on a rotational basis, for the sake of a new "national property" ... Well, there is a large number of people here who sincerely believe that at the top are the "elite", "the inhabitants of heaven" - "they are very literate and skillful "and" smarter than all the subordinates "and they up there" know everything better "... Seriously think so. My father is like that and you can't prove anything to him, above for him: "ilita", "they don't keep others there", "they know everything better" ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Snail N9

My father is like that and you can't prove anything to him, above for him: "ilita", "they don't keep others there", "they know everything better" ...

No, my father, born in 1939, wins the battle at the TV. Votes all the time for the communists, always goes to the polls, and also calls me 5 times whether I went or not.))))

[Aerodrome]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The truth is always the same ...

but everyone has their own.

[Ingvar 72]

Each has its own interpretation. Navalny calls the thieves thieves, but for selfish purposes.

[Baloo]

Quote: Malver

Navralny ... What did Navalny lie about ??? About the palace? About corruption of officials? Gull? Shuvalov? All lies?

The ONF transferred the materials to the Prosecutor's Office, the lards were returned, the perpetrators were convicted. What materials did the liar handed over to law enforcement agencies? How much money was returned? Where does the infa come from? And what does the Lech live on, where the babosy come from, because of the fence, then he is a person with reduced social and civil responsibility.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Balu

And what does the Lech live on, where the babosy come from, because of the fence, then he is a person with reduced social and civil responsibility.

Here it is true.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: tihonmarine

Here it is true.

Yes its true. But this does not make his accusations against senior government officials a lie.

[Baloo]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: tihonmarine

Here it is true.

Yes its true. But this does not make his accusations against senior government officials a lie.

Have you checked?

[Malver]

Whose lards are they returned? Seagulls? Lech lives for donations

[2 Level Advisor]

For example, for the prosecutor's office, there are similar ones for all supervisory authorities:
GENERAL PROSECUTOR OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
ORDER
17.05.2018 No. 296

5.2. Monitor the leading federal mass media on a daily basis, as well as the Internet in order to promptly inform the leadership of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation about violations of laws, emergencies and other most significant events. Immediately transfer such materials to the appropriate structural divisions of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation for the organization of verification of the stated information.

and more than once, after various videos, cases were initiated without statements ..

those. In our opinion, the Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation does nothing without an application, well, here's an order .. Or maybe no one in the Prosecutor's Office has seen Navlny's videos? where is the reaction? And where did you get the idea that there were no appeals to the Prosecutor's Office? There were quite a few .. They just didn’t find anything wrong with the videos, everything turns out fine ..

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Balu

ONF transferred materials to the Prosecutor's Office

Exactly, probably the materials on Chaika should be handed over to the prosecutor's office. And why did no one initiate an investigation to bring the perpetrators to justice, or Navalny for libel?

[ZAV69]

Quote: Balu

And what does Lech live on, where do the babos come from

See the channel "Sanya in Florida", it says where and for what Lech Babosy gets

[Kart]

Yes, many have already seen, and will be convinced personally.
The reaction of the stubborn adherents of the struggle against the regime is interesting.
Some categorically do not believe, although there is the easiest way to check.
Others, on the contrary, believe that these are donations.
The schoolchildren threw in.

[Woodman]

Quote: Balu

And what does the Lech live on, where the babosy come from, because of the fence, then he is a person with reduced social and civil responsibility.

They want persistent rumors that in ten years of fighting corruption, Navalny has turned into a dollar millionaire ... But "that's different" ...

[Volder]

Quote: Malver

Navralny ... What did Navalny lie about ???

He lies about everything. Every word is a lie.

About the palace?

The palace lie has already been exposed.

About corruption of officials?

There is not a single country in the world where there is no corruption. Even in China they steal, although there is a death penalty for corruption on an especially large scale. The absence of corruption is an unattainable idealism, this will never happen, especially in the conditions of capitalism, a market economy. Demagoguery, in a word.

[2 Level Advisor]

There is no country without corruption, you are right .. and there will not be and never was .. The whole question is in its size and punishment for corrupt officials ..

[Baloo]

There is no country without corruption, you are right .. and there will not be and never was .. The whole question is in its size and punishment for corrupt officials.

it is necessary to add: and the consequences of corruption. The fallen angel in paradise first corrupted the lilith, she began to neglect Adam, God punished the lilith, again turning her into clay. But the fallen angel continued, seduced Eve, she ate the apple of knowledge, as a result, all three creations of God were on earth, and the fallen angel turned into a snake. The consequences of the first episode of corruption in general prog Resistive, but morally ambiguous.

[2 Level Advisor]

interesting interpretation Well, perhaps for an example of relatively "harmless" corruption: a person takes 10% for himself, but at the same time solves the problem as expected .. then corruption is not a relative evil, the problem is solved for the planned funds .. only now, more often, it does not work out that way. . and the problem is not solved or solved "crookedly" and there is no money .. because they have little "10%", better than 10% for IDB- 90% for themselves .. in the Russian Federation, mostly 30-90% are found for themselves, and not 10% since often the punishment is not inevitable or incomparable .. and most importantly: confiscation is difficult ..

[Volder]

Quote: 2 level advisor

The whole question is in its size and punishment for corrupt officials ..

Corruption in Russia is less widespread than, for example, in the United States. In Russia, they are engaged in the punishment of corrupt officials. What's wrong?

[Malver]

Yeah, rotenberg palace, kakzhe, heard

[Kart]

Do not believe me?
Not surprising.
At least yours know that in the eyes - all the bulk dew.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: Volder

Even in China they steal, although there is a death penalty for corruption on an especially large scale.

Well, let's take a look at South Korea, for example. Half of the former presidents are in prison. One of that ... Himself. So as not to be planted. However, maybe they helped, which is not the point. And what is characteristic, no yelling in style - if not He, then who? Korea is alive while HE is at the helm. And again, with natural resources of about zero, they thrive.
The issue is not about corruption. And the fact is that, starting from a certain level of acquaintance, there is immunity from the laws of the country.

[Snail N9]

Corruption ... "Rollback" for "drank" is already "backbone" in Russia. This is the foundation, the basis of management, you are given the opportunity to get rich, only for a part of your income, which is brought in to the one who gives you such permission ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: Malver

About the palace

Which one with the coat of arms of Montenegro?

[Kart]

The same one, yeah.
Which together in Western studios drew as best they could.

[2 Level Advisor]

no - without the coat of arms which .. but which was originally built by the FSO sanatorium for the budget .. although of course - without the coat of arms and decoration, its value has fallen dramatically .. I agree .. and indeed, what palace is without a coat of arms? so .. a house by the sea ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

no - without the coat of arms which .. but which

They are trying to tie them to Putin without much success.

[2 Level Advisor]

well, if you were not convinced or you did not want to be convinced, it does not mean that without success ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

well, if you are not convinced

videos that were shot so mediocre that their phonyness is striking? Well, if they convinced you, then these are your problems.

[2 Level Advisor]

I'm not talking about the design, I'm talking about the content .. the essence is always more important, not the form .. although for some, of course, the form is more important than the essence, I don’t argue, unfortunately there are many of them .. I think it is normal life perception to try to understand the essence, regardless of the presentation.
And you started about eagles, cartoons of repair, etc ... well, yes .. so it is, there is no eagle, no repair .. I agree with you .. but is that the point? or in Navalny? or that he is definitely someone's person? yes, in principle, do not care at him - he is just a talking head in this situation ..
this is not the essence of the situation .. you probably just did not see the video .. this particular palace is not the main thing there .. the main thing is the system that allows it .. and palaces / estates / airplanes are a consequence, not a reason ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I mean the content .. the essence is always more important than the form .. although

That is, all that is filmed is a lie, but I believe what he says.
The logic is off scale.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

the main system that allows

Again, beautiful words.

[2 Level Advisor]

uh .. then specifics How did the FSO boarding house, which was built for state money, suddenly become the property of an individual (according to him), with the addition of protected lands to it? is it ok? just in case, let me remind you that according to the legislation of the Russian Federation, the transfer of rights is possible only under 178-FZ as a result of trading .. there are simply no other ways ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

as a boarding house of the FSO, which was built for state money

I am the beneficiary. There was a rather complicated object, there were many creditors, I managed to become a beneficiary.
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/30/01/2021/6015448e9a79471f48d3f22e

I just bought it out for debts.

[2 Level Advisor]

state an object and a part of protected lands for debts? is the state impoverished? I have already spoken about the ransom by auction through 178-fz - there is no other law for state property in the Russian Federation, but there were no such trades .. why do you believe the general phrases without any references of some person whom you saw only on TV, why is he will not deceive? It is not registered for him in any case, so I can admit the same to you ..
You see what kind, throwing away Lesha Ovalny with eagles and a man telling (in general terms) that this is all his strange situation comes out, don't you think?
not to mention the fact that why does the FSO need to involve any people for the construction of its boarding house .. well, it's okay, theoretically it is allowed by law, although in fact it's funny .. but the state property suddenly turned out to be at a natural person is not funny for sure ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

for state property in the Russian Federation

The question is what exactly is state property and what is not. The territory until 2068 was leased to the company that owns the residence. Its construction began in 2005, that is, it did not belong to the state (30/70 in favor of the investor, that is, a private shop). So what's the strangeness?

[2 Level Advisor]

the fact that the state invested money, and a lot, as well as the reserved land and received nothing for them, nothing at all ..
On the facts (not judging by oval vidos and stories of "honest" billionaires):
1. the state invested good money in the object, which went into the air.
2. Reserved territories in any way and no one except the state can not get into the construction, so it must be a state object from the very beginning, in order to work out .. You do not think that you can build a house in the reserve as an individual?
3.this lease - consider the property, since the real estate is already non-state on the land, it will be extended and in 68m - you cannot ignore the real estate from the owner on this land and give another land under it .. therefore it will always be prolonged, because it is simply its property cannot be issued ..
Total: the state invested land and money, but it was all a natural person .. and since the object was never used by the state, it is very likely that this was such a plan .. do you think it was normal?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

invested money, and considerable, as well as reserved land and

Reading difficulties.

Quote: Dart2027

Territory until 2068 leased to a companywho owns the residence

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

this lease - consider the property, since the real estate is already non-state on the land, it will be extended and in 68m - you can't ignore the real estate from the owner on this land and give another land under it .. therefore it will always be prolonged, because

Your reasoning is interesting, but show the document.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

Total

Another lie.

[2 Level Advisor]

you know .. I don’t really want to deal with legal educational programs for free, especially since the topic of the site is not the same, but I’ll give a direction to self-education - read who has preferential the right to conclude (extend) a lease agreement for a land plot in the Land Code (this document) .. if you don’t know / understand something, it doesn’t mean that it’s not so ..
"Reading difficulties"you say to me .. well, so you wrote about the participation of the state 30/70, and not me or what does 30/70 mean? and why about the reserved land for free, be silent, an inexplicable moment? I have so much more written with a question , what have you answered now, comfortable have you chosen?
"another lie"What and where did I have a lie, not just another lie, but in general? Reasonably, as I will tell you, please be so kind .. otherwise it looks like a conversation" yourself, durac, no you durac "I'm not interested in such a conversation, too many years already ..
While in our conversation, as I assumed, if someone believes in something, for example, that violations of the laws are impossible in the Russian Federation, by those who are in power, give him at least 500 facts and reasonable questions, it will be useless, after all, faith is in the evidence does not need .. True, it is not clear where the corrupt officials from the government come from, then in our country there are ..
Bulk, by the way, according to your own words, they also believe in a lie and do not need proof ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

you know .. I don't really want to deal with legal educational programs for free

Can you?

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

30/70, not me or what does 30/70 mean

the state's share in the property is 30%, and the investor's share is 70%. What is an investor do you understand? They built it for his money.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

and why are you silent about the reserved land for free, an inexplicable moment

Quote: Dart2027

Territory until 2068 leased the firm that owns the residence.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I have so much more written with a question

The question? You have only chants that the land was given away for free and stolen. Rent involves payment, if you can show other documents, then go ahead.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

While in our conversation, as I expected, if someone believes in something, for example

the fact that Navalny is a fighter against corruption.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

True, it is not clear where the corrupt officials from the government come from, then in our country there are.

I love it when all the propals are forgotten. My friend, you yourself admit that they are imprisoned for corruption, and without any Navalny, what does this mean?

[2 Level Advisor]

My friend, the conversation for me loses its logic .. where does all the scattered people? where does Navalny have to do with it? where I have at least one surname, whom I think is right called at all? we started pulling phrases out of context and not a single specific answer to uncomfortable questions.
I gave you the facts above:
1. the state invested good money in the object, which went into the air.
2. Reserved territories in any way and no one except the state can not get into the construction, so it must be a state object from the very beginning, in order to work out .. You do not think that you can build a house in the reserve as an individual?
3.this lease - consider the property, since the real estate is already non-state on the land, it will be extended and in 68m - you cannot ignore the real estate from the owner on this land and give another land under it .. therefore it will always be prolonged, because it is simply its property cannot be issued ..

where is the specific answer to these 3 facts? Let's be specific again .. accusations / chants are with you for now, but I am citing facts to which you do not answer reasonably ..

1. the state invested in a project that became the property of an individual or not? You said yourself, not me- 30/70 .. 30- is this not an investment? Why do you constantly move away from recognizing that the country's investments have gone to individuals? yes .. these are the 30% or not?
2. And what does the rent have to do with it - did I say that the rent will not be paid? our land owners also pay tax .. I mean that we have received for free if you don’t know, now in Russia they are leasing land through an auction, they don’t just give it to anyone .. and certainly not in a nature reserve, they certainly don’t give any of the physicists to kill themselves .. Or do you have other information as possible to rent in the reserve to get land?
3. Do you deny the existence in the Civil Code of the Russian Federation and the Labor Code of the Russian Federation of the right to preferential conclusion of a lease agreement by the owner of real estate on the land after its termination? you know .. at least deny, these norms will not disappear from this my friend .. he will be able to extend it forever, since his real estate on the site .. so deny the Land and Civil Code comes out?

Will there be specific answers or again about a dream, is it about a dream? otherwise, my dear Interlocutor, I'm already a little tired - ask the same unanswered questions like a parrot ..
Let's follow the above - where is the lie written?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

where does all the propals have to do with it? where does Navalny have to do with it? where I have at least one surname, whom I think is right called at all?

That is, you yourself do not know what you are writing about? This is already serious.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

30 is not an investment?

This is a share of ownership.

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

I mean that the lease was received free of charge, if you do not know, now in Russia they lease land through an auction, they just do not give it to anyone ..

Is the fact that it is given for a reason, but for the construction, in which the investor invests his money, is it too difficult to understand?

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

Do you deny the existence in the Civil Code of the Russian Federation and the Labor Code of the Russian Federation of the right to preferential conclusion of a lease agreement by the owner of real estate on the land after its termination?

The advantage does not mean that this land will necessarily be given to him. How are you with the Russian language?

[2 Level Advisor]

you know, dear person, because you again (for the 3rd time) did not answer my questions, and you hardly do not understand them, it seems that you are not stupid .. it means you just do not want .. all the best for you, the conversation is the main goal of which is to leave the last word for yourself , but not to discuss the situation - I'm not interested ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

you know, dear man, because my questions

I answered at a level that a child could understand. You probably don't.

[210ox]

And why is he, Lyosha did not crawl out that way three years ago with this palace? This investigation has been like this since 2013. There are only activists - environmentalists noted. And they quickly piled over the hill. What was not broadcast then? Did Zarathustra not allow? Or was he waiting for the moment?

[Malver]

In the end, the main corrupt official remained

[Aerodrome]

How long will Oval be remembered here? "There is no Fedot now, Fedot was, but all came out" (C) L. Filatov. spit and forget. this is not an "opposition" but an outrageous "hype". Here is all you need to know about "Oval". But this does not cancel the people's dissatisfaction with the authorities, which have lost their shores.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: 210ox

And why is he, Lyosha did not crawl out that way three years ago with this palace?

As far as I remember, a blogger from Gelendzhik spoke about this "strange" place a year ago.

[210ox]

This blogger has been broadcasting for at least six years. Here in the Kuban many people spoke about it. However, there are enough of these in chorus along the entire coast from Dolzhanskaya to Merry. Yes, also Putin's residence in Polyana. But not a word about it. And if you remember the Krasnodar governors ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: 210ox

And if you remember the Krasnodar governors ..

Well, yes, the Minister of Agriculture, then the largest latifundist. And all Navalny is to blame, because he works for the State Department and generally the boat is shaking))))))

[210ox]

Of course, "to investigate according to Putin" is to crow loudly. And what is going on in the Kuban in the government, who will pay attention to it. Besides local

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: 210ox

And what is going on in the Kuban in the government, who will pay attention to it. Besides local

Is it just ours? I think it's the same in other regions.

[210ox]

Yes, only here it is more and more grotesque. Example-Tkachev with his pheasant farm in Vyselki. And the purchase of poultry by hunting farms is only from him and at a high price. From Rostov, no!

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: 210ox

And the purchase of poultry by hunting grounds is only from him and at a high price. From Rostov, no!

Yes, and the same fun with pigs. And in general, the peasant cannot really sell his products to the city, and the townspeople can not buy directly in the village. Bypassing outbidding in the form of networks (for large farms) or markets (for small ones). On the market, in general, outbids take 50% of the price.

[210ox]

In fairness, this is all happening according to friends. And how to sell, say, two or three carcasses without a veterinary document, and where? If only a stall, but everything there must comply with SanPIN. We had a case - a neighbor got sick with trichonillosis - he bought it from his friend. With meat, everything is complicated, with our quadrocopters they monitor the bases. But this applies to those who work for STF

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: 210ox

And how to sell, say, two or three carcasses without a veterinary document, and where?

It was on this topic that I made a project, now I have posted it on the server by the first of March, I hope I will start it. Private households can sell without reference, from their own backyard, online is not prohibited to sell. If you are interested in details, write in a personal.

[Altona]

A court sycophant who shoots films with excrement bombing and a massacre with shovel cuttings instead of weapons tells us about the "intrigues of the West." And what was the first to come running to Yeltsin? He knows very well Yeltsin's speech in Congress about "damned totalitarianism in the USSR" and the ending "God bless America." And why does he need special communication phones by the way? What is the secret of the court jester?

[GRIGORIY76]

It's funny to see how Mikhalkov is presented as a great thinker, patriot and fighter against the West. Hey people, have you looked tired of the sun? After all, he removed this slag!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: GRIGORIY76

It's funny to see how Mikhalkov is presented as a great thinker, patriot and fighter against the West.

What he voices, everyone knows without his statements. I might not have tried.

[Kart]

Judging by the outpourings, we know what even here, in the discussion - not everyone knows.
And some know, but nevertheless continue to water.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: GRIGORIY76

Hey people, have you looked tired of the sun? After all, he removed this slag!

I started looking, it became disgusting.

[Svarog]

The task is the same. Then the task was to destroy the Soviet Union, today the task is to destroy Russia.

And what else is there that in Russia to fall apart? In the USSR there was industry, medicine, education, science .. The USSR was the second economy in the world, where 80 countries out of 144 were our allies .. What is left of this and what has been done in 30 years to somehow get closer to the USSR?

[Kart]

Of course there is.
For example, 2 new factories per month open. They build roads, bridges, shipyards.
This is, of course, unacceptable. you have to yell that everything is gone.

[210ox]

Look at the statistics for other countries. Enjoy two factories a month? At this point, people are losing more jobs. Remind me how much was built under the USSR?

[Kart]

I looked. Nothing like that except China.
I can learn about factories from various sources, but about "how many jobs are being lost" only from the maddened fighters against the regime.

[210ox]

Well, so get on my small homeland. Smolensk -, "Smolmyaso", "Bakhus", refrigerator plant. This is the last one. Belaya Glina-village (very sensitive for such a settlement and for the situation in general) the reduction of nurses and nurses in the Central Regional Hospital. Well, for your example, about two factories a month - at the Konkopd cable plant, production has been expanded (as many as twenty jobs). By the way, this production is located in the machine shop of the once very serious plant for the production of microelectronics - "Diffusion"

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Carte

I can learn about factories from various sources, but about "how many jobs are being lost" only from the maddened fighters against the regime.

RBC Are you a source, or also a "mad fighter against the regime"?

According to the audit and consulting network FinExpertiza (RBC has their research), last year (we are talking about 2018) more than 290 thousand enterprises were opened in Russia, and more than 600 thousand companies ceased their activities ...
... The trend for the excess of the number of closed companies in Russia as a whole over the number of open ones began back in 2016 and continued in 2017–2018. FinExpertiza in the study refers to data from Rosstat.

If we take 2019, then according to the same data

In 2019, 264,6 thousand new companies started their work in Russia (in the study, commercial enterprises are taken into account, excluding state and municipal enterprises), and almost 611,8 thousand ceased operations.

At the same time, not only newcomers left the market

... more than 28,8 thousand companies with work experience from one to two years, 85,6 thousand companies aged from two to three years, 85,7 thousand three-year-olds, 64,7 thousand four-year-olds and over left the market 48 thousand companies from five years and older.

[210ox]

Andrey, a person has a template in his head - those who criticize are "fighters against the regime." This is how we all want a Strong Russia. Strong economically, politically, militarily. And not one-sided and with swelling of the cheeks (not reinforced). And often just shut up. As in the situation with sports. The latter is generally disgusting.

[2 Level Advisor]

flipped through "done with us", for this year, with all the urapatriotism of this site 1 (one) "plant" for 1000 people opened .. to which, by the way, the state has nothing to do with it, its businessmen opened .. where are three more? two a month? By the way, the machines there are probably Russian, of course?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Carte

For example, 2 new factories per month open

Well? Where is that?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

No, we must constantly shout hurray, against the background of falling real incomes of the already poor population and stagnation in the economy.

[Deniska999]

What did the allies think? At one time, any ruler of the third world countries declared himself a Marxist in exchange for free help.

[Volder]

Quote: Svarog

The USSR had industry, medicine, education, science ..

Don't you get bored of breeding demagoguery? The USSR relied heavily on 15 republics, 14 of which later seceded. Therefore, it makes no sense to compare the capabilities of Russia with the might of the USSR. The same can be said about any, now independent republic: earlier the Ukrainian SSR had industry, medicine, education, science, and now everything is ruined in Ukraine.

The USSR was the second economy in the world, where 80 countries out of 144 were our allies ..

Listen, if all the seceded republics come back together, they will collectively become the world's second economy. And the allies ... were only formally. As soon as Moscow weakened, all these allies were blown away like the wind. Question: was there a boy? Why are we so allies? These 80 allies ruined the USSR, getting food, equipment and weapons for a pittance.

What is left of this and what has been done in 30 years to at least somehow get closer to the USSR?

What are you carrying?? Russia has no goal to catch up and overtake the USSR. The territory has significantly decreased, the population has decreased, the planned economy has been replaced by a market economy, allies and policies have changed. Literally everything has changed! And you continue to look askance at the USSR, as if nothing has changed. In order to keep abreast of what has been done over 30 years and continues to be done, I recommend watching the YouTube channels "RussiaPost" and "Time - Forward!". The main thing now for Russia is a stable economy against all kinds of crises, guaranteed defense against external and internal threats, pursuit of leading technological countries and outstripping third world countries in terms of their capabilities. Russians do not have a sense of exclusivity and obligatory superiority; we need cooperation, not rivalry. This makes us different from the Americans.

[210ox]

About the reliance on fifteen republics. The support was four at most. In the eighties I traveled on business trips, raising a "support" in Central Asia.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

About looking corrupt propagandists were brought up with standard demagogic chatter. How will we ever catch up with Portugal or not? Although yes. The task is extremely difficult there is an extremely powerful economy and in general a superpower after all.

[Achilles]

Quote: Svarog

And what else is there that in Russia to fall apart? In the USSR there was industry, medicine, education, science .. The USSR was the second economy in the world, where 80 countries out of 144 were our allies .. What is left of this and what has been done in 30 years to somehow get closer to the USSR?

Well, probably, our country still has the largest amount of resources and territories that they want to squeeze out

[Destiny]

It has long caused rejection. Weathervane, to put it mildly.
"And our master, as soon as he gets drunk, orders to take out a chair on the porch and, well, communicate with the serfs." this is my association.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Interestingly, Mikhalkov himself knows that the expression "to drive the devil" means to lie, to tell not the truth, to lie ...?
What do you call a yacht ....

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

What do you call a yacht ....

Such is the life of a yacht.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Altona

The court sycophant, filming films with excrement bombing and carnage with shovel cuttings instead of weapons, tells us about the "intrigues of the West."

And concurrently the main "copyright" of the country.

[Yuri Tverdokhleb]

All to the Maidan !!!
Let's hammer this system. In Ukraine, Yanukovych also did this - he took away business, took away land, killed journalists left and right, and finally swung at the most sacred century-old dream of Ukraine to become NATO and become a firm member of the European Union.
If you want to be brainless ... ugh-you visa-free queue up with us and you will live like hell .. oh-paradise yeah.

[Snail N9]

Ay, Mikhalkov! Show your boobs.

[prior]

Another master is the guardian of the Russian people.
He sits tightly on the neck of this very people and announces that there is no need to change anything.
And then suddenly they will be thrown from the neck and the estate will be burned.

[Herman 4223]

The American gentleman sits on our neck and, through his aligarhs, cuts off the fat from us.
https://youtu.be/Boww--68KlE

[Snail N9]

Uh-huh. For some reason, we think here that all sorts of "siloviki" types "earn" money, they are supposedly paid by the "state", which, as they sincerely believe, it (the state) collected on trees, and did not rip off in the form of taxes and the rest of the population.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Snail N9

and not ripped off in the form of taxes and levies of all sorts from the rest of the population.

Show me a tax-free country?

[Snail N9]

It's not about taxes. And the matter concerns the attitude of those who live with taxes to those who pay these taxes. In the so-called "other countries" there is an understanding that the tax base is the people and those who receive salaries from the taxes of this people must observe and protect the interests of the people. And in Russia, "servants of the people" and "siloviki" sincerely believe that they owe it to the "state" and to those who pay them their salaries on behalf of the state, and not to the people, who contributed all this salary money to the "treasury" ... for them, the people are such an annoying misunderstanding, on which they need to hone and prove their loyalty to the "state" and to the authorities in its person.

[Herman 4223]

Well, yes, the siloviki live off taxes. All state employees live off taxes, but what's the big deal?
And I think they know perfectly well where the money was taken for their maintenance. The main thing is that they do their job.

[Snail N9]

The matter is in the distribution of these taxes. This is what is called social justice and, strange as it may seem, it is on this that the "development of the state" as social or "totalitarian" depends. Let's take teachers, for example. It is on them that the education and upbringing of the nation depends. They live off taxes, that is, teachers' salaries are part of our taxes. The level of their salaries shows the interest of the state in the education and upbringing of the population .. Here is how the salaries of teachers in some countries and in Russia correlate:

The people of Russia see that the state pays the lion's share of taxes for the maintenance of itself, the bureaucratic apparatus and the security and police departments. That is, the people see - what is "main" for the state in Russia.

[Herman 4223]

Maybe the people are just told how to see.
It is necessary to look at the facts by numbers.
Social expenditures are in the first place in terms of budget expenditures. 26% of the total budget.
https://yandex.ru/turbo?text=https%3A%2F%2Ftass.ru%2Fekonomika%2F9588585&lite=1

[Snail N9]

Well, yes, they "prompt". Budget employees print "pay slips" in the "State Department" ... as well as "zhirki" of housing and communal services "piled up" in mailboxes to them ... Well, Ursula puts price tags in stores at night .... By the way, here recently one woman-researcher turned to the President with a complaint that her salary was minimal, despite the fact that her superiors indicated completely different figures in the report. As the investigation has shown, the system is typical for organizations with state salaries - the one who receives the salary has a scheme: salary plus bonus, and the lion's share of the salary fund was distributed among the management, lower levels received pennies. In addition, other schemes were revealed, when part of the bonus was paid by employees in cash to the chiefs - you can't bring it, you won't get a bonus at all ... So, reporting about 26% for social needs does not mean ensuring social justice at all.

[Herman 4223]

This case was taken up by the competent authorities. And where did you see that ordinary workers have a salary equal to the salary of a person in a managerial position?
This is not the point. Our such life is not only from Corutia, and not so much because of this. 90% of the economy is located in avshora, that is, taxes and income do not go to our treasury.
We have an overstated interest rate from the central bank, we are cut off from cheap loans in the economy. Loans to the government are prohibited by law. Land and natural resources can be in any form of ownership, including foreign. This is more serious than petty corruption on the ground about which you are so sad. They are robbing us, not just cutting off fat.

[Snail N9]

Who is robbing? Why not cancel the "budget rule"? What's wrong with the Central Bank? Why are money and other gold and foreign exchange reserves withdrawn from the country's economy and instead of internal lending, targeted use are invested in the securities of "sworn" partners (that is, in their economies), in closed funds on secret terms, and so on? In short, who owns the power in the country? Who is in charge here? Why in Russia, in general, is it possible to build "no-man's" palaces by "unnamed persons" of "unknown purpose" in nature protection zones for huge, "it is not clear from whom" money? What's going on with this country? Who exactly does not want to do anything to fix the situation. If we honestly do not name the reasons for everything that is happening both in the economy and in politics and in public relations, we will never be able to find a way out of this situation and will always fight against "windmills". It is necessary to honestly name everything and everyone by their proper names, let it be both painful and unpleasant.

[Herman 4223]

The Central Bank is an independent body in our country. He does not obey the government and does not have the right to credit it. But this is for our country, not a single institution can be without bosses, bosses for our Central Bank are the International Monetary Fund, which in turn is subordinate to the World Bank, and the latter was created by the United States. That's what's wrong with him. This happened because of our defeat in the Cold War, we lost the confrontation to our enemy and he sat on our neck.
Prescribed for us in the basic law that we are subject to international law. The oligarchs were appointed through privatization. After all, there American civil servants watched the auctions and, in fact, handed out the goods in the right hands. Now these hands keep their wealth in the avshora, that is, under American and British jurisdiction, and they respectively hold these people in one place.
As for the names, please: Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev, Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin. Well, their whole team. The nasty things done in those days are being sorted out to this day.

[Snail N9]

As for the names, please: Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev, Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin. Well, their whole team. The nasty things done in those days are being sorted out to this day.

And, also "Polovtsy" with "Pechenegs" tormented us ...
Well, then how to explain it here:

Payments to Gazprom's management board increased to 1,711 billion rubles
Moscow. February, 15. INTERFAX.RU - In 2020, the total payments to members of the board of "Gazprom" increased to 1,711 billion rubles against 1,331 billion rubles in 2019, according to the report of the concern.

https://www.interfax.ru/russia/751037

https://www.gazprom.ru/investors/disclosure/reports/2020/
Also "Gorbachev with Yeltsin"? This is just one of the current "achievements" of "effective managers" in terms of "resource allocation" and "social justice" ...

[Snail N9]

Well, yes, the Central Bank is an "independent body" - isn't it funny? The constitution was changed under "zeroing" and "eternal rule" with "not being held accountable," but we cannot change the status of the Central Bank, this is like a "divine taboo"! What does it mean? Who is preventing the Central Bank from changing the status? Where did such a "sacred" "untouchable" cow come from? Who supervises it, who exercises its "immunity"? Why is there such a bunch of private banks with the same "conditions" in the country? To breed financial parasites through which part of the siphoning of resources from the country goes? Isn't it more convenient to have only one, easily controlled and responsible bank in the country?

[Herman 4223]

No, not funny at all, but he's really independent. And who said it was so easy to change? Do you require it? Do people go out with these demands? This is not discussed in the media, so you probably said it correctly.
The Constitution was not changed, it was amended and supplemented, and for this, signatures were collected throughout the country for almost a year.
In the signatures there was a demand about the Central Bank, the deputies and the referendum commission did not even discuss it. No one will give you money just like that.

[Snail N9]

No one will give you money just like that.

Well, finally, though veiled, but still you finally said who ruled in Russia, those who have money. And they answered the question - how to change everything -"no one will give you money just like that"... So what is the conclusion from this? Here, there ... Alas, it won't work any other way.

[Herman 4223]

You don't know how to read. I have clearly described for you who and how Russia is in charge. Not "V" Russia is being led, but Russia is being led and squeezed by its geopolitical opponents, and so it has been for three decades. And it will only get worse. Unless the whole system changes. And I think it's not so long to wait. We are on the verge of changes, and we will either be broken in the coming years or there will be a radical change in the system in the country.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Something Gaft is recalled: "Russia! Do you feel this strange itch ?! Three Mikhalkov are crawling over you!"

[Svarog]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Something Gaft is recalled: "Russia! Do you feel this strange itch ?! Three Mikhalkov are crawling over you!"

For the first time I heard and immediately arose a desire to get acquainted with the work of Gaft.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

When I first heard this epigram, it also amused me a lot :)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Svarog

For the first time I heard and immediately arose a desire to get acquainted with the work of Gaft.

In general, Valentin Iosifich, it turns out, is not only a talented actor, but also a master of epigrams. I wonder if some of the heroes of his poems gnashed their teeth strongly?
Boyarsky
Why are you, Misha, yelling like that
Long-robbed Jew?
Don't disturb D'Artagnan,
He is a nobleman and you are a plebeian.

[bober1982]

Quote: Svarog

For the first time I heard and immediately arose a desire to get acquainted with the work of Gaft

From the work of V. Gaft:
"I am a Putin, it is dangerous to talk to me about this" (I meant Maidan fuss in Moscow)
"God allowed Russia to be cleaner and stronger than others"
And, much more, you will be interested.

[Svarog]

Quote: bober1982

"I am a Putin, it is dangerous to talk to me about it"

Putin has been in power for 20 years. I was also a Putin when he worked for the first term ... everything and everything is changing ..

[bober1982]

Quote: Svarog

Everything and everything changes ..

What's wrong with being conservative.
I only wear classic jeans and suits, what's wrong here, I won't adapt to the current fashion - trousers, in color and style, can be mistaken for underpants ..

[IS-80_RVGK2]

That a conservative stands in the way of progress. Hindering him in every possible way.

[Boris55]

Quote: Svarog

Everything and everything changes ..

If anyone did not understand what Putin said at the Davossmkom forum, then Lavrov spoke about this in more detail:



In short, Russia is starting to clean up the fifth column in our power. As before, it will no longer be. The West accepts us as equals, or it (the West) does not interest us. We can live without them. They are not without us.

[Svarog]

Quote: Boris55

In short, Russia is starting to clean up the fifth column in our power. As before, it will no longer be.

The same guesses went around in 2014, when Crimea was annexed .. but things are still there ..
The 5th column is in charge of the country, it would be time to open your eyes .. for 30 years then ..

[Gardamir]

... I was also a Putin when he worked for his first term

He walked with this motto, many supported him then.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Gardamir

I walked with this motto

And they were really cleaned up everywhere, even in Turkey, and in France they were hiding from the liquidators under the protection of the French special services.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bober1982

And, much more, you will be interested.

Tabakov
Chased gait. The speech is firm
At Lelik's, at Tabakov's.
Burns, burns his star
On Mikhalkov's jacket.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

Three Mikhalkov creep on you!

I hope Nikita will stop this mess.

[Snail N9]

A typical situation is when the "boss" says something "nothing", "a set of phrases" so, right there, there is a chorus of sycophants of all stripes, "experts" - "experts" who begin to "think out, invent", "suck out of the finger "... that is - to" decipher "what it is, the" boss "meant, in fact. And then, there follows the praise in the media at all levels of the "genius" of the "boss" - "the great grandmaster of all times and peoples" ...

[andrew42]

This process has long been described in Khoja Nasreddin. The scholars "ulema" and "mudaris" are interpreters of the "Koran" in favor of any intention of the Sultan. All TV channels are crammed with this parasite audience.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

"Russia! Do you feel this strange itch ?! Three Mikhalkov are crawling over you!"

I’m in hiatus ...

[Vadim Golubkov]

No matter how they treat Mikhalkov, whether he is good or bad, to his films, it does not matter, what matters is that there really are those who want Russia to collapse like the USSR in its time.

[rjpthju]

Power is breaking up Russia. Mikhalkov shows the wrong ones. And Putin is his friend.

[Vadim Golubkov]

And who destroyed the USSR?

[ser.rudov2016]

The idiot, the change in the system of government, is not a "collapse of Russia", but only a way to save the economy of Russia.

[Vadim Golubkov]

You idiot, is that you for me?

[Vadim Golubkov]

You tell the USSR about not changing the state structure (if you know what it is) and saving the economy. In the 90s, this "helped" the Russian economy very well. Maidan also helped Ukraine not in changing the state structure, that it collapsed, and saved the economy so that Ukraine became the poorest country and without a part of the territories.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Stand still!
The gentleman will be pleased to teach the servant ...

[rjpthju]

Putin and his entourage are destroying Russia. They have created such a socio-economic situation in the country that people are already shaking in powerless anger towards these rascals of Russia, there is no need to blame them on the fifth column. The fifth column is those who have real estate abroad, their children study there, have dual citizenship or residence permit. Who do you think it is? That's right, these are those who protest against the lawlessness, social inequality, corruption and economic collapse. And Mikhalkov? - "Tell me who is your friend and I will tell you who you are?" - so it seems to say ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: rjpthju

that people are already shaking in helpless anger towards these sweepers of Russia

Well, yes, static error with flashlights.

[Volder]

Quote: rjpthju

Putin and his entourage are destroying Russia.

No.

They have created such a socio-economic situation in the country that people are already shaking in impotent anger towards these rascals of Russia.

I personally do not shake. How old are you? Perhaps you think that the social and economic situation was much better before Putin? Don't make adults laugh.

The fifth column is those who have real estate abroad, their children study there, have dual citizenship or residence permit.

You don’t know basic things, for example - what is the "fifth column". You are too lazy to look at the definition in Wikipedia. You can have real estate abroad, study there, but at the same time not harm the state structure of your home country. Navralny, by the way, absurdly hides the second citizenship, his daughter is studying in the United States, and his activities are financed from abroad. That is, it clearly works not for the interests of Russia, but for the interests of other states. Type in a search engine: He's not Lyokha!

these are those who protest against the lawlessness, social inequality, corruption, economic collapse.

This is not your case about the United States? Social inequality in the United States is stronger, there is more corruption, the economy has suffered more from the coronavirus crisis than the Russian one, and legal chaos is enough to recall the scandalous elections of Biden and the relationship of white people with blacks. In any case, corruption can never be defeated in any country. capitalism and a market economy are flourishing in the world. Even in China, where the death penalty is provided for theft, they still steal. Therefore, stop breeding demagoguery.

[rjpthju]

I am 63. I am a member of the CPSU in 1986. I'm not going to argue with you about the United States. We need to understand our problems. Medicine and industry have been crushed (go to Search, it will give you the number of thousands of enterprises and hospitals with polyclinics, rural outpatient clinics that have been destroyed and optimized, education has been destroyed, in the same YouTube many youth surveys are being conducted. Even the only Institute of Virology was closed in 2002 . The pandemic showed it ...). And this comedy is amended. Allegedly, so that there would be no persons with dual citizenship and residence permit in power. The first time he announced about real estate ... But then changed his mind. And what prevented the implementation of the Law (Federal Law 128 of July 25.07.2006, 5), adopted by the State Duma on July 2006, 14 and approved by the Federation Council on July XNUMX, establishes restrictions on the replacement of state and municipal posts for citizens of the Russian Federation who have citizenship of a foreign state or a residence permit or other document confirming the right to permanent residence of a Russian citizen on the territory of a foreign state.? and such questions are everywhere. But they are still sitting (take Rodnina and Manturov. This is generally a storehouse of secret information, runs Rostec), where are the amendments? And our Constitution is direct action: it’s impossible, it’s impossible. I'm not talking about the lack of justice and violation of the constitution by the police.

[rjpthju]

Regarding Navalny ... Dark horse, this cannot be allowed into power. But the government is doing everything to popularize it. Intentionally or not, I think we'll find out soon. For what I am grateful to him, it is for his exposure. If there is slander, why not sue? And how he gets this information, from the CIA, BND or MI6 - I don't care. I want to know what is happening in the kingdom of Putin, and why people are living worse and worse. He helps with this

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: rjpthju

But the government does everything to popularize it

Yes, silence in response to his accusations, stupid challenges to a duel, deeds sucked from the finger. They don’t give him glasses in a childish way.
At the same time, there is complete silence in the information space about other watered prisoners, such as Platoshkin, Bykov, Furgal.

[yehat2]

the task did not change - everything in the east collapsed in order to seize the resources of these territories.
it doesn't matter - the Russian Empire, the USSR, the CIS or the Russian Federation
the same applies to the Balts with Ukraine and Belarus, especially Ukraine - this is one of the fattest pieces for the West, and they have already bought about 40% of the infrastructure and means of production in the country, while the natives rode and played at independence.

[bubalik]

to seize the resources of these territories

,,, what to capture. All our enterprises are owned by foreigners.

[yehat2]

in the Republic of Ingushetia there were active investments, actively creating monopolies controlled by foreigners, especially in industry, resource extraction and infrastructure. Baku, all oil production under the nobbles, tram lines, telephone exchanges, power plants, etc.
then the union nullified the rights of capital and tried to war
then, when the union began to fall apart, capital expansion began again - the purchase of assets 50-1000 times cheaper than par.

[bubalik]

Previously, state property, being formally a public property, actually belonged to the party nomenclature, which made managerial decisions that the so-called "working people" could not influence in any way. Now this property, being handed out for a song to those close to the EBN, was resold by them to foreigners who became the actual owners. And the absolute majority of the population both did not have, and has nothing to do with it. Fate!

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Yeah, of course she didn't. And the fact that schools, hospitals, universities, houses for people were built with the money generated by this state property is, of course, a trifle not worthy of attention. Demagogues are demagogues.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

And the fact that schools, hospitals, universities, houses for people were built with the money generated by this state property

And now they are under construction, relax.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Oh how. Well, tell me, maybe I took a mortgage in vain and the state gives out apartments for free, but I don't know?

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

maybe I took a mortgage in vain and the state distributes apartments for free

Do you seriously think that in the USSR all apartments were handed out for free? No party officials were handed out, but ordinary mortals after a queue of years like this for 15 years.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

My family received their first apartment after 8 years, the second after another 10 years. At the same time, the parents were not any party leaders. They did not hold major leadership positions. Even the smallest bosses were not. They had nothing to do with any distribution of any material wealth. Apparently, I myself, without knowing it, belonged to some secret elite. Well, or you're lying corny.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

My family received their first apartment after 8 years, the second after another 10 years.

Apparently lucky, while others waited longer. Mine had to buy in a cooperative, because there were no other options. That's just how you yourself wrote

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

after 8 years, the second after another 10 years

Very fast?

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dart2027

Apparently lucky, while others waited longer.

Or maybe you're out of luck? And you raised your exception from offense to the rank of the rule?

Quote: Dart2027

Very fast?

Okay, given the circumstances. It's not like paying a mortgage for 20 years, each time falling asleep and waking up with the thought of how not to lose your job. Otherwise, you will have to give the bank an apartment.

And yet, tell me, a patriot, why do you have such liberal rhetoric? However, you can not speak. You and the liberals are essentially the same thing. You have proven this perfectly by your example. And in general, summing up - you merged in a dispute demagogue

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Or maybe you're out of luck?

As well as a lot of friends. Maybe this is your luck, if it is in him, and not in personal relations with the bosses, you make it a rule.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

It's not like paying a mortgage for 20 years, each time falling asleep and waking up with the thought of how not to lose your job.

Seriously? Every time? What kind of worker are you? I know people who also took out mortgages and nothing.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

And yet, tell me, a patriot, why do you have such liberal rhetoric?

Some are inclined to confuse the communist theory and the Fatherland.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

And in general, summing up

You have nothing to say, except for fairy tales, which to me, as a person who found the USSR in a conscious return, remind me of a Soviet anecdote with the words
Teacher: "Little Johnny, why are you crying?"
Little Johnny (through tears): "I want to live in the Soviet Union!"

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dart2027

As well as a lot of friends. Maybe this is your luck, if it is in him, and not in personal relations with the bosses, you make it a rule.

Masse, is this one and a half offended people?

Quote: Dart2027

Some are inclined to confuse the communist theory and the Fatherland.

This is the person who has the wildest mess in his head talking to me? Who has an understanding of this very theory at the level of a caveman with "take away and divide". And his fatherland is associated with jeans, sausage and chewing gum. Because this person was born in the USSR, which is in fact his homeland. Not this stub of the Russian Federation, but the USSR. But he hates the USSR and sold it for jeans and chewing gum, while urging everyone to love the stub of their homeland - the Russian Federation. Because here he got his jar of jam and a box of cookies, and the rest of the people do not care about the quasi-patriots. I don't need fairy tales. There are construction statistics. So come on, you are a kind of liberal forest, well, you understand.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Masse, is this one and a half offended people?

Only one satisfied person said.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

This is the person who has the wildest mess in his head talking to me?

That is, it really hurts your eyes?

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

And his fatherland is associated with jeans, sausage and chewing gum.

Said a man whose homeland is associated with an apartment somehow obtained.
It always touches me when the communists first shout about how poor our people are, and then curse jeans and sausage.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dart2027

Only one satisfied person said.

Once again for a particularly gifted liberal. There are construction statistics. Therefore, if you do not like something, send your claims and snot about your misadventures to the sports lotto.

Quote: Dart2027

That is, it really hurts your eyes?

You first stop lying at least a little bit. Then we'll talk about the truth.

Quote: Dart2027

Said a man whose homeland is associated with an apartment somehow obtained.

Let us suppose. But then, according to your logic, I am a patriot and your claims are unfounded. Why are you such stupid liberals arm? Why can't you at all into logic?

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Once again for the gifted

communist.
Let's give specific statistics, who is against it?

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

You first stop lying at least a little bit.

That is, the truth hurts.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

But then according to your logic I am a patriot

THE USSR.
True, he himself is no longer there.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dart2027

Let's give specific statistics, who is against it?

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/81583/

Quote: Dart2027

That is, the truth hurts.

That is, stop lying.

Quote: Dart2027

THE USSR.
True, he himself is no longer there.

So what? One day, the RF will disappear.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/81583/

I open your link and see that housing construction is going up, despite the fact that there was a subsidence in the 90s, which is logical. Sai = did you look?

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

That is, stop lying.

That is, it pricks.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

One day, the RF will disappear.

Becoming an empire again. But your USSR will definitely not appear.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dart2027

I open your link and see that housing construction is going up, despite the fact that there was a subsidence in the 90s, which is logical. Sai = did you look?

Is your intellect completely bad? What does growth have to do with it?

Quote: Dart2027

That is, it pricks.

That is, in reality everything is bad with your head. It is sad. For you, of course.

Quote: Dart2027

Becoming an empire again. But your USSR will definitely not appear.

No, it won't. And in general it will disappear, remaining only on the pages of history textbooks. But of course yes. It is difficult for a person who lacks intelligence for historical materialism to understand. More precisely, it is generally impossible. In fact, you are one step below me in evolution. More precisely, for two, you are raving about empires. It means generally mentally in feudalism. Bugagaga.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Is your intellect completely bad? What does growth have to do with it?

Then let me be curious, but what does it have to do with it? We are talking about construction and building houses, what are you dissatisfied with?

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

That is, really

pricks not childishly.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

a man who lacks intelligence for historical materialism

Historical materialism has failed in such a shame that world history has never known.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

And in general it will disappear, remaining only on the pages of history textbooks.

It is not news to me that for the "communists" let Russia perish, just not to admit that it can do without Marxist-Leninist nonsense. Therefore, you are ready to be at least with Navalny, at least with someone, the main thing is against Russia.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dart2027

Then let me be curious, but what does it have to do with it? We are talking about construction and building houses, what are you dissatisfied with?

You whined that you didn’t get a place to live, and that’s like a rule. I showed you what was built and not in a year by a teaspoon, and your rule is actually an exception. That is, you lied. And when you were caught lying, he began to divert the conversation aside.

Quote: Dart2027

Historical materialism has failed in such a shame that world history has never known.

In your meager imagination. Everything that is happening in the world now fits into the framework.

Quote: Dart2027

It is not news to me that for the "communists" let Russia perish, just not to admit that it can do without Marxist-Leninist nonsense. Therefore, you are ready to be at least with Navalny, at least with someone, the main thing is against Russia.

A patriot who confuses jeans and chewing gum with the Motherland and who betrayed it in 1991 speaks to me for morality? If Russia is you, then yes, I am against Russia.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

You whined that you didn’t get a place to live, and that’s like a rule.

You bragged that you got this type of rule. That is, they simply lied, and when the lie was revealed, they tried to blab it.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

I showed you what was built and not a year by a teaspoon

As it is now. That's just about the free distribution of housing to all comers, tell some bulk.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Everything that is happening in the world now

Show the USSR on the map?
And, yes, there is capitalism in China.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

Patriot confusing jeans and chewing gum with Motherland

That is, there is nothing to argue.

Quote: Dart2027

It is not news to me that for the "communists" let Russia perish, just not to admit that it can do without Marxist-Leninist nonsense. Therefore, you are ready to be at least with Navalny, at least with someone, the main thing is against Russia.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Quote: Dart2027

You bragged that you got this type of rule. That is, they simply lied, and when the lie was revealed, they tried to blab it.

About so you have already begun to recruit in kindergarten? For savings. It is sad.

Quote: Dart2027

Like now.

It's not about now. Do not divert the conversation to the side of the demagogue.

Quote: Dart2027

As it is now. That's just about the free distribution of housing to all comers, tell some bulk.

I didn’t talk about everyone. Loafers and enemies of the people like you were given housing, if they were, then with windows with bars overlooking the taiga and the watch tower.

Quote: Dart2027

Show the USSR on the map?
And, yes, there is capitalism in China.

So what? And in England there is still a monarchy. I say you are stupid and you cannot turn into historical materialism.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

About so you have already begun to recruit in kindergarten?

That is, again, there is nothing to argue.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

It's not about now.

So it wasn’t you who were hysterical, indignant that you have to buy apartments?

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

I didn’t talk about everyone.

That is, they received only their own, which was required to prove.

Quote: IS-80_RVGK2

So what? And in England there is still a monarchy.

That is, the ideas of monarchism are much more real than the ideas of Marxism-Leninism.

[Million]

Mikhalkov is an ordinary prostitute, adaptable to any government.

[Antonio_Mariarti]

I do not think that the West has a direct plan to destroy the Russian Federation, as this is a very unpredictable act, because the country has so much nuclear weapons, and more likely, if it breaks down, there will be conflicts inside and can use nuclear weapons, so the West has a plan only to establish a government that will be loyal to the West and follow along with them into globalization, because before 2014 the attitude was on the rise, especially after the "overload".

[7,62x54]

Mikhalkov is a two-faced character. He supported Yeltsin, begged Putin to stay for one more presidential term, was Putin's confidant.

[U-58]

Why did the collapse of the USSR not bother anyone, but even caused immense joy in some?
Why those who rejoiced at the collapse of the Union now fear collapse
Russia?
The answer is obvious. These same "some who" from the collapse of the Union received fucking (I'm not afraid to put it that way) dividends.
With the collapse of Russia, they will lose everything looted by back-breaking labor.
So they pour water ...
And why, in fact, the protests of people against the annoying regime seem to be the collapse of Russia?
The people for the most part do not want SUCH Russia. I don't want to eat too much.
But the people want a Russia in which an ordinary working man lives with dignity and even happily. As in the Soviet Union. Or even better.
And speculating with popular protest to serve the interests of the ruling regime is a fraud.

[bober1982]

Quote: U-58

Why did the collapse of the USSR not bother anyone, but even caused immense joy in some?

Why someone? The collapse of the USSR took place under the general rejoicing of the working people.
Even before the collapse of the USSR, on January 31, 1990, a world record was set in Moscow (!!!), on the very first day of its opening, McDonald's served 30 (thirty) thousand visitors, Soviet citizens.

[U-58]

That is, the Soviet people approved "with their feet" the changes that took place in the Soviet Union ....
And what does the separately taken "new Russia with new Russians" have to do with it?
Follow the thought?
So this argument is rather for, but not against.

[bober1982]

Quote: U-58

That is, the Soviet people approved "with their feet" the changes that took place in the Soviet Union ....

The Soviet Union became unnecessary, including the working people, no one needed. Stakhanov's records in the mine did not impress anyone, they wanted an American roll with a cutlet.

Quote: U-58

And what does the separately taken "new Russia with new Russians" have to do with it?

There is no the new Russia, like new Russian and never existed.

[mat-vey]

Quote: bober1982

The Soviet Union became unnecessary, including the working people, no one needed it

Referendum results
In the referendum held on March 17, 1991, 185,6 million (80%) of 148,5 million (79,5%) citizens of the USSR with the right to vote took part; of them 113,5 million (76,43%), having answered "Yes", spoke in favor of preserving the renewed USSR.

[bober1982]

Quote: mat-vey

Referendum results

In Yekaterinburg, what were the results?

Quote: mat-vey

having answered "Yes", they spoke in favor of preserving the renewed USSR.

And, in the fall, nobody needed the Union, complete indifference, everyone forgot about this referendum - which means, the old Soviet hardening. Where those in Ukraine who voted "Yes" are looting in the Donbass. The entire top and not the highest composition The Armed Forces of Ukraine are former members of the CPSU, where Kravchuk, who turns out to be (in his own words), was a Bandera accomplice from an early age.

[mat-vey]

Quote: bober1982

And, in the fall, nobody needed the Union

http://w-o-s.ru/article/15929
So there was no time for global problems - everyone was put on a hungry ration so that they would not be greatly distracted by politics ... Directly some kind of Maidan ..

[bober1982]

Quote: mat-vey

everyone was put on a hungry ration

They have been on starvation rations since the end of 1989. and 1990, and when Yeltsin became president of the RSFSR, they immediately depicted abundance, I don’t remember the famine, 1991 for the population as a whole was prosperous and even fun, you could even buy and drink a burned Polish brandy called “Napoleon”, Soviet before the collapse of the USSR, people managed to become familiar with global values.

[mat-vey]

Quote: bober1982

I don’t remember hunger

And I don’t remember that the announcements about the "construction of capitalism" went straight away ... everyone swore that they would just "correct some shortcomings" right now ... just a little bit here, a little there ...
Some kind of war went straight away, the nazianolists began to slaughter the Russians - so a small civil national liberation ... and again the assurances of those who made their way to the top - do not pay attention now everything will ferment, we will correct what is wrong and again we will live in socialism - but renewed.

Quote: bober1982

I don’t remember hunger

What do you remember about salaries?

Quote: bober1982

immediately depicted abundance

It was interesting that there was a "total deficit" and bam "abundance" ... and where did that come from.

[bober1982]

Quote: mat-vey

I wonder if there was a "total deficit" and bam "abundance" ... and where did that come from

I pointed out that after the election of Yeltsin, it was necessary to show that it was not in vain that they were elected.
When Khrushchev was being filmed, they made interruptions with bread, they filmed - and bam, abundance with bread.

Quote: mat-vey

What do you remember about salaries?

Everyone began to flee from factories, to cooperatives, money was made easily, money was normal.

[mat-vey]

Quote: bober1982

I pointed out that after the election of Yeltsin, it was necessary to show that it was not in vain that they were elected.

And I "pointed out" that these are organized and planned actions.

Quote: bober1982

What do you remember about salaries?

From factories everyone began to scatter

Salaries just stopped paying ... Can you buy something without money? The cash suddenly disappeared .. But for some reason, as always, Lenin and Stalin were to blame for this .. And it was necessary to renounce and start rolling and then everything will start to improve ... And again but socialism and only we will correct ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: bober1982

They have been on starvation rations since the end of 1989.

Aren't you tired of driving game?

Quote: bober1982

and 1990, and when Yeltsin became president of the RSFSR, they immediately depicted abundance,

There was no abundance in the 90s.

Quote: bober1982

1991 as a whole for the population was prosperous and even fun

Quite to myself.

Quote: bober1982

you could even buy and drink a burned Polish cognac called "Napoleon",

Take some medicine, Napoleon appeared in 93.

[bober1982]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Napoleon appeared in 93

It was confused with alcohol "Royal", that one appeared in 1992.

Quote: Mordvin 3

Quite myself

Of course, that's what I'm talking about - everyone rushed to Turkey and Poland for sweaters and windbreakers, those who didn't run away to cooperatives. Everyone didn't want to work for badges and pennants, by the way, there were no salary delays, the population had a lot of money on hand.

Quote: Mordvin 3

Aren't you tired of driving game?

Fedya, game!
We are not at the Weeping Willow restaurant

Quote: Mordvin 3

There was no abundance in the 90s

The commentary needs to be read carefully, I was talking about 1991, not 1990.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: bober1982

about 1991

Let's talk about 1991.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: bober1982

It was confused with alcohol "Royal", that one appeared in 1992.

I missed nothing. Alcohol piano appeared at the end of the 93rd, the beginning of the 94th. There were also vodka coupons.

[Dart2027]

Quote: U-58

And why, in fact, the protests of people against the annoying regime seem to be the collapse of Russia?

Because for this they are organized.

[U-58]

If I am against the pension reform, the increase in utility tariffs, the persecution of the same Grudinin - and I am against it, is it that the West has set me up that way or is it my own government?
You also write that I am a liberal and an agent of the State Department on a salary)))))

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: U-58

You also write that I am a liberal and an agent of the State Department on a salary))

You are an agent of the State Department for funding, a liberalist, a bully, and an admirer of Edichka Limonov.

[Dart2027]

Quote: U-58

You also write that I am a liberal and an agent of the State Department on a salary

And what is wrong?

[U-58]

Not this way:
The retirement age has been increased.
Pensions for working pensioners are not indexed.
Tariffs and taxes ensure a steady rise in consumer prices.
The rise in payments and pensions is not matched by the rise in prices. We are destitute.
After reforms in medicine, it is increasingly difficult to get to a doctor.
After reforms in education, the number of really literate school graduates significantly lags behind the needs of the country

[Dart2027]

Quote: U-58

The retirement age has been raised

Demographic problems, it was expected for a long time.
The rise in prices, I go to the shops and somehow do not notice the horror about which they like to yell so much.

Quote: U-58

getting to the doctor is getting harder and harder

Similarly.

Quote: U-58

the number of really literate school graduates lags far behind the country's needs

I myself do not come into contact with this, but given that I periodically read in the news that are not busy whining about and for no reason, I strongly doubt it.

[U-58]

How does the abolition of indexation of pensions for working pensioners relate to demographic problems?
How is the provision of equality of all before the law excluded from the life of working pensioners?

[Dart2027]

Quote: U-58

How is the abolition of the indexation of pensions

Are you having difficulty reading? I made it pretty clear where the demographic problem relates.
About the index
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/17/12/2020/5fdb4d9b9a79478d29b2e6b5

[yehat2]

Quote: U-58

lives with dignity and even happily

people at least live in bearable conditions and understand that tomorrow living conditions will be sane
no one even stutters about happiness. The average able-bodied citizen now works 11.5 hours a day. I have to do it. This is very close to the level of exploitation in Ingushetia, when the mass uprisings of workers began.

[bober1982]

Quote: yehat2

no one even stutters about happiness

Happiness is a mirage, the pursuit of a ghostly dream, neither money nor a trip to Zanzibar will make a person happy.

Quote: yehat2

close to the level of exploitation in Ingushetia, when mass workers uprisings began

You, to put it mildly, bent it. It became funny.

[yehat2]

you are not in the subject
all sorts of events are already taking place on the periphery, in relatively prosperous cities so far there are fewer and there the police are fussing around.
Not further than yesterday I saw another conflict.

[bober1982]

Quote: yehat2

all sorts of events are already taking place on the periphery, in relatively prosperous cities there are still less

Welcome to Samara, patriarchal silence.

[yehat2]

is it silence in Samara ???
even I know about 4 strikes last year
all are associated with the lawlessness of employers.

[bober1982]

Quote: yehat2

even I know about 4 strikes last year

Come on, will you dream, the proletarians are now driving around in expensive cars, all sorts of office cars are despondent, for them the times are not the best, as it was under Boris Nikolayevich, they are nostalgic.

[yehat2]

well, yes, on expensive cars take food in loans and without your own home

[U-58]

So am I about the same ...

[yehat2]

Quote: bubalik

made managerial decisions that the so-called "workers" could not influence in any way

it is necessary to clearly divide the USSR before Khrushchev's reforms and after.
Between the years 28 and 56, the true power of the "workers" existed.
after 56, the role of local councils was constantly diminishing, reduced to decorative by the end of Brezhnev's reign. This was essentially the point when the power of the nomenklatura in the USSR became uncontested.

[ser.rudov2016]

"Then the task was to destroy the USSR, and now to destroy Russia."

[Dart2027]

Quote: ser.rudov2016

to ruin Russia is a useless occupation. It is necessary to ruin the system of public administration built by Putin, which, for 20 years, has been leading the country to degradation.

That is, the enemies of Russia need to destroy the system that "makes Russia degrade"? Uh-uh, how's that?

[aleksandrkotov797]

We must throw all our strength into the collapse of America, and when it collapses, then the Russians will live peacefully and richly.

[andrew42]

Well, yes, American farmers and plumbers prevent us from living like that! - Are you serious?

[nikvic46]

The head physician had no right to send a person who was in a coma to Germany, whoever asked him about it, because they could be sent to Moscow, to Petersburg. By the way, the departure of Navalny's wife to Germany puzzled me a little. And like it or not, thoughts come about some internal forces that do not obey anyone.

[Snail N9]

Or, on the contrary, that all this happens with the consent at the highest level ...
We can, in this way they are preparing "someone" to replace themselves, for a "kingdom" ... I've read the presidential program of Lesha-Sisyan and ..... I thought a lot.

[Old Orc]

It's funny. Thieves who received everything from the old mafia boss declare that the new mafia boss cannot be scolded, since he is against the mafia. and a young goldfinch from another city should not raise a butch and swing at the common fund, and our mafia is better than their mafia. we will lie on the arrow but we will not give up the common fund. and the fact that the people are angry that they are being robbed is the wrong information and betrayal.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Old Orc

but the fact that the people are angry that they are being robbed is incorrect information and betrayal

What kind of people? Will they bulk up?

[Old Orc]

Bulk people are still under the boss of the mafia from another city. But people care.
While trying to clean up your boss is credible, professional translation of shooters.

[Daniil Konovalenko]

More and more reflections of such gentlemen "What will happen to the Motherland and to us?" and "Who is to blame?" .. But what to do? The question is not raised .. They like everything. "We are sitting, and the money is going."

[Mordvin 3]

Is this Migalkin broadcasting? I go nuts over this zoo.

[slavinsk]

What is there to ruin something, only the blind does not see: everything has long been fragmented and therefore destroyed.

[Sychev Vitalii]

Mikhalkov's message is either stupidity or hidden propaganda - for many times we have ruined our country exclusively by ourselves!

[Keer]

"Russia! Do you feel this strange itch ?! Three Mikhalkov are crawling over you!"

[Yves762]

The task is the same. Then the task was to destroy the Soviet Union, today the task is to destroy Russia.

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What for.?.
It will only increase the number of "obstacles" (read cost) on the routes of transportation from the "depths of Siberian ores". The same story of gas traffic through the NE-deposittheis another example.

On the other hand, does the current Russian Federation interfere with Mattress makers and European people (and not only) from "sucking the juices" from Xia?

[savage1976]

It became interesting to me, you read the comments on VO - Kisilevshchina and Solovyevshchina on TV, Mikhalkov supports the authorities, they are all traitors and hangers-on under any government, they have residence permits, they have acquired citizenship. And comments about it from the same characters. And they are shouting that the country does not develop science, high technologies, low salaries and scribble 10 posts a day over the past 5-7 years, and all who disagree with them sold themselves to Putin, are paid, while these " paid "write 1-2 posts a week. So the question is, and all these whiners and patriots themselves did not try to develop the country, develop technologies, restore the country, and not pour manure on everyone, go to work for the good of their family. No, they don’t need it, they already get it just fine for just throwing mud at everyone. And then they will wonder why they live so badly. I am looking for a good salary, not offering a job.

[Dart2027]

Quote: savage1976

So the question is, and all these whiners and patriots themselves did not try to develop the country, develop technologies, restore the country, and not pour manure on everyone, go to work for the benefit of their family.

And some are not interested.

[TOGO]

then they completed the task, and now they will, since Russia follows exactly the path of the USSR ...

[Silinvv]

Captain obvious!

[Alexander Voronin_2]

We will not recall what Mikhalkov once said, the more that it is not known in what context it was said, we will proceed from that. what he says now in his programs, he always has a direction, it is the originality and sovereignty of Russia, but you can disagree with some of his theses. But that . that he is a patriot of Russia by conviction, I think no one has any doubts and with his conclusions regarding the intentions and actions of the "consolidated West" I completely agree. You must not forget that he is not a politician, he is rather a public person, but because does not consider it possible for himself to stay away from the events taking place in the country, he is trying to analyze all this out loud, well, there is a possibility for a person that this is bad.

[andrew42]

Every time I listen to Mikhalkov, with every minute the feeling grows that after the next abstruse phrase, he will still turn around, wink slyly and say: "Let's go to the rooms! Gypsies, bears and girls - all with you! Oh, wide Russia! -mother!" The program "Besogon" is not clear under what demons it is imprisoned - in form and content, it is a continuous "Cherry Orchard".

[Achilles]

Quote: WIKI

Where is the link to the documents? Or is it now customary to crow for no reason?

Look for yourself, the CIA officers who in retirement wrote memoirs and published a bunch of books with documents, especially after the collapse of the USSR, they had plans from the beginning to destroy the USSR, then Russia itself in pieces. Yes, the entire Anglo-Saxon west does not hide that such plans are taking place, if you do not notice this, these are your problems

[Vlad5307]

Quote: aybolyt678

Quote: Foxmara

Do you understand that now he is speaking correctly? Well, if you're interested, let's analyze why then he sincerely said other things.

I thought, and decided that not everything he says correctly. The biggest wrong is the second suspended sentence. How did it happen? who arranged it? who benefits from it? It would be much more interesting to me.
It is possible to speak about the sincerity of a professional actor and businessman from art only from the point of view of profit, I remember that "The Barber of Siberia" cost the budget several million dollars.
He is a real conductor of the information field of today. Had he had a principled civic position, he would have found a lot of things that our government would not have liked .. And here in the videos is the usual mainstream.

Well, those who only see the dirt in the country, to which he is essentially obliged to everything, do not need to go far - they show themselves everywhere, everywhere they are promoting themselves and at the same time they do not live in poverty at all. These are such barchiks from art, unaccustomed to thinking and striving to consume with mouth and pop. And these were also in the video. I'm not talking about all the idiots who do not have their own opinion, their own head. And this is the result of educating the consumer, the course that was taken under the power of EBN and all this corrupt liberalism still remaining in the state apparatus. And not without their help, this political pederast freely dissects across Russia, being under recognizance not to leave. This is who should be taken out to the square and shot - these are the enemies of Russia, who ensure the activities of all sorts of crap to please the West, placing their children in the same West. So maybe it's time to pass a law on the deprivation of civil rights of those who call for a coup !? At one time, Kolya-2 played out in liberality with those who shot not only his family, but also millions of ordinary people in the civil war.

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Was this Mikhalkov working in the sweat of his brow helping to destroy the Union?

He, dear!
Yeltsin, who "podmahad" on the pre-election campaign? Yarmolniks with Mikhalkovs.

Everyone in their old age is drawn to politics. And he is no exception.

As a creator (movies) - worthy of respect for all early work.

As a politician, worthy of oblivion, like the Italian Nightingale or Basement / Bulk.

[zloybond]

only it is not clear why for already 10 years (not a comrade) Mr. Navalny has not been attracted for treason to the Motherland. Stubbornly do not want to. before, while I was small, it was convenient ... part of the electorate was disturbed by others .... And now why? Why was not an amendment to the Constitution submitted to the referendum for making the article for treason to the Motherland executed by firing squad?

[Alexander F.]

The tolerant "eccentric" is the devil's favorite toy, battery operated.
"Nothing adorns the children of" eugenics "like the desire to spoil everything connected with Russia"
The greatest value of the modern teaching of liberalism is not the recognition of morality and morality as the fundamental value of humanity.
"Ignoring moral values ​​and morality as a fundamental value of mankind leads to a regression of the individual, and through him the degradation of social community occurs"
And the "partners" understood that this relationship is the fulcrum on which the world order of human civilization is built. So they decided to knock out this fulcrum, from under the feet of the Man. This is how uncomplicated, based on the anti-idea of ​​morality and morality, the concept of small steps was developed. "The collapse of Russia, through the degradation of its traditional fundamental moral foundations"
"Propagation of frostiness as success"

And this devilish "idea", and even with great enthusiasm, was picked up by the moral cripples. Although they are narrow-minded, they quickly realized that since there is a customer for their pathology, then, accordingly, they can make good money on this. All that is needed is to present in every possible way their pathology of denial of human values ​​to those around them, in the form of new trends in the modern world order. And in addition to all this, with the same uncomplicated scheme, one can decompose fragile and wounded souls and replenish the ranks of radical movements with them, than honestly deserve a pie wrapped in "green papers".
And there is not far off; goodbye "asset" Russia - long live the State Department.
After all, everything is so simple and worked out for centuries.
At first, under the banner of Christ, in the crusades, "carrying the true faith to the world", countries and peoples were plundered. Then, under the banner of democracy, "carrying freedom", resources were seized and countries were destroyed. And the moment came when material values ​​no longer have a decisive value, and they set their sights on the main resource of the earth, human souls.
And away we go. 6andera the killer is the "savior".
Bulk swindler - "savior"
Furgal billionaire suspect in contract killings - "savior"
Biden with his pedophile son - "savior"
And the victims at their hands, then who?
Isn't this an attempt to implement the utterances of the character cursed by all mankind?
"I release you from the chimera called morality and ethics"
"Eugenics - the doctrine of selection in relation to man"
"The devil's greatest trick is to convince you that he doesn't exist."

[Grandfather]

One can agree with him if we take into account one nuance: both then and now the "elite" is working tirelessly over the collapse of the country.