The head of "Roscosmos" called the timing of the readiness of the new concept of the super-heavy rocket "Yenisei"

The new concept of the Russian super-heavy launch vehicle Yenisei, on which work has been suspended, will be presented in three to four months. This was stated by the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin.

Answering a related question about the readiness of a new super-heavy rocket concept, Rogozin made a tweet:

Within three to four months

Earlier it became known that the creation of the Russian Yenisei super-heavy carrier rocket, intended for flights to the moon, was suspended indefinitely to correct its appearance. In January, the RAS Space Council recommended postponing the creation of the Yenisei super-heavy launch vehicle in order to revise its design.

It was stated that instead of the current technologies, new technical solutions would be used in the rocket, in particular, oxygen-kerosene engines would be replaced, as well as reusable technology would be applied.

Due to the work on the new concept of the Yenisei, it was proposed to adjust the space program, and to use the Angara launch vehicles for flights to the Moon.

The beginning of the creation of the first modules for the Yenisei was announced last spring. As Rogozin explained, the new rocket will be assembled according to the principle of a designer from ready-made elements that are independent products. The start of flight design tests of the Russian super-heavy rocket was scheduled for 2028; a launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

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[Hog]

New concept

And it sounds
Well, let's see what comes of it.

[Civil]

The start of flight design tests of the Russian super-heavy rocket was scheduled for 2028; a launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

Yeah, by 2030 Battlestar Galaktika, and by 2035 a launch site on the rings of Saturn.
The hangar has been made since 1994. And then, in 7 years, they decided to launch Yenisei.
New table for the Yenisei on Vostochny. Not everyone has been seated at the past tables ...

[Ross xnumx]

The new concept of the Russian super-heavy launch vehicle Yenisei, on which work has been suspended, will be presented in three to four months. This was stated by the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin.

And now not everything is ready?

And now, dear boys and girls, I will tell you whose budget is presented here in the form of Leo, and who is this hairdresser from Roscosmos ...

[leks]

Something needs to be said, the inner voice of the journalist tells him.
He perfectly understands that he will hardly lead the RK, not only on the 28th, but most likely by the 25th, so you can promise what you want.
The previous guide, also promised, is enough to read the news about space in the mid and late XNUMXs.
99.9% sure that Yenisei will not be ready for this year plus three five years at best.

[Cosm22]

Rogozin has to say something, that's understandable. By position. But why bother with obvious nonsense? Why mention reusable technology?
Anyone in the subject knows that it is impossible to apply such technologies in practice on the line of Soviet-designed liquid-propellant engines existing in Russia today. Neither practically nor theoretically. It is impossible in principle.
But according to Rogozin, a new superheavy concept using reusable technologies will be ready in 4 months. It's funny.
What engines will Yenisei be based on? RD-0169? So, in KBKhA, the horse did not roll over it in fact. The same Rogozin, 2 years ago, lamented that there was no money for its development, because all the loot was spent on paying off the TsiH's debts. The engine, at its best, will be released on LI in 2023.
But the superheavy concept will be ready in four months! Interestingly, and Rogozin as a journalist understands the meaning of this term? Concept?
Does the Republic of Kazakhstan have any clear development strategy at all?
Where will the RD-0169 be added (if it is brought to mind)? Soyuz-5? After all, it is from its elements that the Yenisei will be assembled? Those. the fifth Union will no longer be a kerosene stove? And all the previously made developments, drawings, documentation down the drain? All the developments of RSC Energia, RCC Progress, TsiKh, NPO Energomash, TsENKI, TsNIIMash - into the trash can?
Or Amur-LNG? On the first stage, you will have to sculpt 5 pieces. In this configuration, the stage will throw 12,5 tons on LEO. But the announced superheavy must throw at least 50 tons (or 70?) There. What to do? Tied with a bunch of "sausages", as we have been the custom since the time of the Queen? So how many engines will we get at the bottom of the first stage? And then what will sit down in general?
In short, all this is nonsense. The methane engine still needs to be done. These are years. For it, you need to make an average pH, run it in. It's still years. And only after that it will be possible to think about the concept of superheavy. Only after that will she appear. If Rogozin really wants to make a new reusable product based on new technologies.

[Vadim237]

"Russia today is unable to line up Soviet-designed rocket engines. Neither practically, nor theoretically. Impossible in principle." Energy was also supposed to use up to 10 times the first stages with RD 170

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Quote: Vadim237

Energy was also supposed to use up to 10 times the first stages with RD 170

Moreover, both RD-170 and RD-180 were burned using methane.

[Cosm22]

Kindly tell in detail HOW EXACTLY "it was supposed to use the first stages with RD 10 up to 170 times". To clarify: not engines, but steps?
And if it was supposed, then why was it not used? At least in the first and at the same time the last launch?

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Quote: Cosm22

Rogozin has to say something, that's understandable. By position. But why bother with obvious nonsense? Why mention reusable technology?

It already looks like jealousy.

Quote: Cosm22

Anyone in the subject knows that it is impossible to apply such technologies in practice on the line of Soviet-designed liquid-propellant engines existing in Russia today. Neither practically nor theoretically. It is impossible in principle.

The RD-171MV engine is reusable.

Quote: Cosm22

But according to Rogozin, a new superheavy concept using reusable technologies will be ready in 4 months. It's funny.

People work.

Quote: Cosm22

What engines will Yenisei be based on? RD-0169? So, in KBKhA, the horse did not roll over it in fact.

In fact, the combustion chamber has already been tested there.

Quote: Cosm22

The same Rogozin, 2 years ago, lamented that there was no money for its development, because all the loot was spent on paying off the TsiH's debts. The engine, at its best, will be released on LI in 2023.

He is not needed before. There is no Amur-LNG launch vehicle in this FKP. And the debts of the TsiH have practically been paid off.

Quote: Cosm22

But the superheavy concept will be ready in four months! Interestingly, and Rogozin as a journalist understands the meaning of this term? Concept?

This is also called an advance project. Several such folders with documents on the desktop.

Quote: Cosm22

Does the Republic of Kazakhstan have any clear development strategy at all?

Read FKP again.

Quote: Cosm22

Where will the RD-0169 be added (if it is brought to mind)? Soyuz-5?

The Amur-LNG launch vehicle has tanks of the same diameter as the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle. And the aluminum alloy is the same.

Quote: Cosm22

In short, all this is nonsense.

SpaceXPeard Detected.

[Cosm22]

Then I was banned for a while. I suspect from whose direction.
Well, okay, these are trifles.
1. It looks like a grin.
2. When you understand the difference between a reusable motor (meaning the possibility of a multiple on-off cycle) and a reusable stage, we will continue this conversation.
3. Forgot to clarify what people are working on. Over the kerosene Union-5?
4. There is no engine. And it won't be this year. Nor will it happen next.
5. Dolgov, therefore, no? Isn't it for this reason that TsiKh is hastily selling out areas after moving to Omsk?
6. I read it. And more than once. No prompts. Therefore, I assert that there is no clear development strategy.
7. The meaning of the question, I see, is not clear? What will underlie the Yenisei? Union? Amur? Even Rogozin does not know this. Despite the abundance of "folders with documents on the desktop."

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Quote: Cosm22

I suspect from whose direction.

Whose?

Quote: Cosm22

1. It looks like a grin.

We create new space technologies every day.

Quote: Cosm22

2. When you understand the difference between a reusable motor (meaning the possibility of a multiple on-off cycle) and a reusable stage, we will continue this conversation.

The stage is tanks, engine and control system. The conversation was about engines.

Quote: Cosm22

3. Forgot to clarify what people are working on. Over the kerosene Union-5?

The answer was about STK. Naphthyl "Soyuz-5" - development of a new stage production technology.

Quote: Cosm22

4. There is no engine. And it won't be this year. Nor will it happen next.

For two years, new missiles are not created.

Quote: Cosm22

5. Dolgov, therefore, no? Isn't it for this reason that TsiKh is hastily selling out areas after moving to Omsk?

The Khrunichev Center remains in its place in Moscow and switches to the hydrogen theme. Upper stages and rocket stages are still being produced there.

Quote: Cosm22

6. I read it. And more than once. No prompts. Therefore, I assert that there is no clear development strategy.

Reread. And pay attention to what we have planned to do by 2025 in various areas of space activities.

Quote: Cosm22

7. The meaning of the question, I see, is not clear? What will underlie the Yenisei? Union? Amur? Even Rogozin does not know this. Despite the abundance of "folders with documents on the desktop."

The rocket technical design workflow is in progress. At this stage, it can change in any direction from different wishes. At the moment, its configuration is known. Rogozin made it clear how much time had been allotted to make the changes.

[Torins]

You are Rogozin's deputy, that you are so aware of the true state of affairs?)))

[Simargl]

Quote: Cosm22

But according to Rogozin, a new superheavy concept using reusable technologies will be ready in 4 months. It's funny.

Yes, I'm now throwing a concept: LEO 150-180 tons, RD-171x on the first stage, 8 side ones, one central ...

Quote: Cosm22

Anyone in the subject knows that it is impossible to apply such technologies in practice on the line of Soviet-developed liquid-propellant rocket engines existing in Russia today.

Our problem is not in the reuse of the stage, but in the control of the return: even the taiga is populated (oddly enough), people periodically suffer. Reuse is a nice bonus.

[Pereira]

By the time the construction of the new table begins, they will already be released.

[Runoway]

Well, let's see what comes of it.

[Aerodrome]

what Rogozin says must be divided by ten and forgotten ...

[Runoway]

And we have not only Rogozin

all the ministers to be selected, with them uncle Chernomor

[askort154]

Ragozin made an entry on Twitter.

It's time to block Ragozin's Twitter.

[Blackmokona]

He had already transferred his account to Rosskosmos, but could not resist switched to the tweeter of the robot Fedor, and after Fedor attacked our cosmonauts with insults. Fyodor was blocked, and Rogozin again took back his account

[Pereira]

What a rich life a person has!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: askort154

It's time to block Ragozin's Twitter.

Yes, he is more secretive for secrecy than the director of NASA is told, and he is a bastard on Twitter, spreads it out.

[Taga]

Democracy, only works against non-democrats!

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Quote: askort154

Ragozin made an entry on Twitter.

It's time to block Ragozin's Twitter.

He has Telegram Are you jealous that he is posting news on Russian space?

[Asad]

To adjust the look! Can create first and then tweet. On the HYIP, the Mask cannot be overtaken.

[NDR-791]

creation of Russian super-heavy launch vehicle Yeniseiintended for flights to the moon, suspended indefinitely
it was proposed to adjust the space program, and use Angara launch vehicles for flights to the Moon.
If we are flying to the moon all the same on the Angara, then where are we flying on the Yenisei? Or do we not fly, but we master the funds? It would be better if the tugboat continued to be made, with it it is really possible to get to the moon cheaper

[loki565]

If we are flying to the moon all the same on the Angara, then where are we flying on the Yenisei? Or do we not fly, but we master the funds? It would be better if the tugboat continued to be made, with it it is really possible to get to the moon cheaper

A tug is of course good, but this is new technology and it is not yet known what will come of it.

[NDR-791]

And what they offer is not new technologies?
and it is not yet known what will come of it
Perhaps Korolev, Yangel and all the pioneers should have thought about this first of all? How would something go, right?

[loki565]

And what they offer is not new technologies?
and it is not yet known what will come of it
Perhaps Korolev, Yangel and all the pioneers should have thought about this first of all? How would something go, right?

No, you did not understand. The space tug will take a long time to accelerate due to its engines, it is suitable for long-distance flights, without a crew, only robotics.

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Quote: loki565

No, you did not understand. The space tug will take a long time to accelerate due to its engines, it is suitable for long-distance flights, without a crew, only robotics.

They also do a tug. Regarding "it will take a long time to accelerate" - a prototype of the MPRD engine with thrust has already been made when it is scaled up to 5 Newtons. The prototype itself on tests produced a thrust of 1 Newton and this at a power of 30 kW. Frame from tests:

[loki565]

They also do a tug. Regarding "it will take a long time to accelerate" - a prototype of the MPRD engine with thrust has already been made when it is scaled up to 5 Newtons. The prototype itself on tests produced a thrust of 1 Newton and this at a power of 30 kW. Frame from tests:

This is interesting, but there is little real information, therefore, confusion with speed and overclocking.

[Blackmokona]

According to the official document on the Tug to the Moon for 200 days to joke.

[NDR-791]

Are we in a hurry somewhere? Judging by that whistle with alterations, additions and concepts, we will always have time !!!

[Sly]

Quote: BlackMokona

According to the official document on the Tug to the Moon for 200 days to joke.

Distance to the Moon ~ 385000 km / 200/24 ​​= ~ 80 km / h. Are you seriously?

[Blackmokona]

Yes

MOSCOW, Dec 15 - PRIME. The Russian nuclear tug Nuclon will be able to deliver 10 tons of cargo to the Moon in 200 days, according to the documents of Roscosmos, published on the website of state purchases.

https://1prime.ru/telecommunications_and_technologies/20201215/832582332.html

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Quote: BlackMokona

According to the official document on the Tug to the Moon for 200 days to joke.

This is the terms of reference. If used for movement ID-250 and ID-500. In this case, the tugboat after the Moon can continue to move further - to Venus or to Jupiter, accelerating to a speed of over 50 km / s

[Blackmokona]

Well Duc man sends people to the moon and they fly 200 days before it. You understand how much they will eat and drink per flight to and fro. I'm afraid 10 tons won't fit all the supplies. But the ship still needs to be placed in this mass.
Where did the branch begin

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Quote: BlackMokona

Well Duc you send people to the moon and they fly 200 days before it. You understand how much they will eat and drink per flight to and fro. I'm afraid 10 tons won't fit all the supplies

What kind of people? People fly on the NPP with a super-heavy or four-launch, if using an A5B launch vehicle. They need to quickly slip through the radiation belts.

The tug is dragging an unmanned truck. He doesn't care about radiation belts.

[Blackmokona]

Here in the comments they suggested and I answered this

[ghby]

Quote: BlackMokona

According to the official document on the Tug to the Moon for 200 days to joke.

no more than 4800 hours

[ultra]

Quote: BlackMokona

Well, Duc man sends people to the moon and they fly 200 days before it

Not people, but an energy module.

[Ros 56]

Well, God forbid, apparently we have come up with something new that does not fit into the dimensions of the previous development. Good luck.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

The new concept of the Russian super-heavy launch vehicle Yenisei, on which work has been suspended, will be presented in three to four months

I remember on the fly

“Where is the tank?” Asked the tankers.
- And here, - the designers answered.
- It???
“Well, actually, this is not a tank yet.” This is the first conceptual experimental prototype of an experimental machine.
- And at once it was impossible to make an experimental car?
- Well, in such a case there is no need to rush. Plus we tried some interesting ideas on it ... "

Only now, disgusting, we do not have a Panzerwaffe officer who would

"... he said that he has acquaintances who work in the Gestapo, so if this buzzard continues, then some interesting ideas regarding pain thresholds, the strength of joints and joints, and anatomy in general will be tested on the constructors."

Alas.

[K-50]

One gets the impression that all these elections for new concepts of new missiles are needed so that the "artists" from "Roscosmos" do not forget how to draw. Because the name of their choice is infinity.
Decide on something! AND DO !!!!

[evgen1221]

And these are there too. Give them the moon after amers. Some kind of imprinting. A cheap, simple medium is needed for commercial launches. And they are the moon. And that they did not immediately aim at the centaurus?

[Runoway]

A cheap, simple medium is needed for commercial launches. And they are the moon. And that they did not immediately aim at the centaurus?

Well, you have to show a tough opposition to the amers, they say we won't give the moon to Trump, we are also in the subject and we have a rocket on the way
It's strange in general, for so many years they forgot about her, we understand our knees-90s, but now they remembered

[7,62x54]

Definitely gladdened in this whole space odyssey that at last they found a landing site for astronauts on their return to Earth in 2025.

[military_cat]

It is immediately evident that people are working.

[evgen1221]

Yeah, it looks the same as I would go today to dig for the treasure buried by my great-great-great-grandson.

[APASUS]

And what about Angara 5, they have already worked everything out, so much so that they forgot ..............

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: APASUS

And what about Angara 5, they have already worked everything out, so much so that they forgot ..............

And she is in the picture at the beginning of the article. You can compare according to the picture:

And here is a description of the number of engines and other things for "Yenisei":

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This is the concept of Roscosmos (Rogozin).
For some reason, I remembered an anecdote about inertia:
https://fishki.net/2712134-inercija.html
And I remembered from the final phrase:
- It’s yours! Ugh! What kind of inertia is that? In our village for three hundred years this ... is called
So by analogy I want to say:
Ugh! What's the concept? We have it ...

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Quote: ROSS 42

Ugh! What's the concept? We have it ...

This is called a package. At the moment, STK is a package of six modules with RD-171MV, a central module with RD-180MV and an accelerating-braking unit based on DM.

[Stirbjorn]

The start of flight design tests of the Russian super-heavy rocket was scheduled for 2028; a launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

By this time, either the donkey will die, or the padishah

[Pereira]

The main thing is to get out in time.

[Revival]

"a launch pad will be built at the Vostochny cosmodrome."

Judging by the "news", this is the most pleasant part of the plan ....

[mark1]

Here's who would explain to me a fool -

As Rogozin explained, the new rocket will be assembled according to the principle of a designer from ready-made elements that are independent products.

The finished elements are Soyuz-5, Soyuz-6, and a KVTK-type upper stage. Their development, as far as I understand, has not been suspended. Then thesis

oxygen-kerosene engines will be replaced,

not clear because it turns out that Soyuz-5 must also be canceled, and methane and hydrogen-oxygen engines are planned for the second stage and the upper stage. What is the novelty? For what the development was slowed down (in fact, the final assembly of the rocket from ready-made elements). Will they attach wings to the first stage? But this is not a reason to delay the program, you can then attach it, as it was planned at Energia. Oh, I would have whipped them all in Putin's place!

[Revival]

"will be assembled on the principle of a constructor from ready-made elements that are independent products."

In fact, apparently something like this:
We take the turquoise refrigerator and screw it to the toilet, then we connect it to a stool, attach a sheet of slate, glue the wallpaper, do not forget a couple of plastic bottles, here they are next to each other, then, again, a wing from a moped, a cardboard box there, and then according to this scheme ...

Two prerequisites are met:
1) ready-made elements (well, what are there).
2) which are independent products (absolutely).
+ You can try to shift the timeline "to the right" by no more than 10 years!

So win!

[mark1]

So I honestly asked you to explain everything. And now, some kind of person, filled to capacity with secret knowledge, gives me a weighty "-". Well, you at least explain, man, since he is so advanced. Why is that proud!

[Piramidon]

Quote: mark1

Why the development was slowed down

They told you:

suspended indefinitely to correct her appearance

Can't decide what color to paint.

[prior]

After 50 years:
- Granddaughter, and now I will tell you about Roscosmos and the Yenisei rocket.
- Grandma, well, you have a memory!

[Revival]

Message about the idea of ​​starting the development of the plan to start planning to develop the concept of start .....

[Taga]

Wait and see!

[Antidote]

Clovan, like the chef, but this story will come to dear Russians, the caps are already ready.

[7,62x54]

Rogozin developed a chronic tweet. A potent medicine is urgently needed!

[Yuriy71]

Dismissal and COURT !!!

[Tektor]

This is good: it is better to think a few times ... Then weigh ... And then do ...

[Volga073]

I myself throw in a new concept in a couple of hours.
But why was the previous one stopped?

[Klingon]

new prequel to Star Trek
* Space ... the last frontier .. The Yenisei starship plows through outer spaces, worlds where no man's foot has gone ".. *
and Rogozinn by any chance there is not Cochran Gokhrane's great-grandfather? that on the Yenisei they decided to cut Warp-dviglo?

[Anton Shtopany]

We move correctly, we immediately switch to new technologies, right now the engines will be up to 28g, you look, the electronics will be tightened and we will fly to the moon in front of the entire planet

[Sands Careers General]

So now a tug with a nuclear reactor is being done.

Isn't it better to use it for flights to the moon than to develop rockets with chemical engines?

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Quote: Sands Career General

So now a tug with a nuclear reactor is being done.

Isn't it better to use it for flights to the moon than to develop rockets with chemical engines?

So it will be used to deliver various cargo to the Moon and other bodies of the solar system. And the rocket is needed to deliver astronauts to the Moon on our new spacecraft.

[Yuriy71]

Who told you!? I heard about it, but these are fairy tales, for you - before bed! )))

[Yuriy71]

Concepts ..... this is so cool .... until a year, so 2050 will draw a sketch project! And under this - to suck financing from the budget !!! The program of action has ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED !!! Roscosmos, headed by a journalist - Khan! Actually, he masterfully coped with the task of the collapse of the Russian space!

[Yuriy71]

You here are all amicably discussing - where and how, and on what will Russia fly! Yes, Nowhere !!! Open your eyes! Can't you see the Elementary, what's going on !? One Propaganda, but NO deeds !!!