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The head of "Roscosmos" called the timing of the readiness of the new concept of the super-heavy rocket "Yenisei"

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The head of "Roscosmos" called the timing of the readiness of the new concept of the super-heavy rocket "Yenisei"

The new concept of the Russian super-heavy launch vehicle Yenisei, on which work has been suspended, will be presented in three to four months. This was stated by the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin.


Answering a related question about the readiness of a new super-heavy rocket concept, Rogozin made a tweet:

Within three to four months


Earlier it became known that the creation of the Russian Yenisei super-heavy carrier rocket, intended for flights to the moon, was suspended indefinitely to correct its appearance. In January, the RAS Space Council recommended postponing the creation of the Yenisei super-heavy launch vehicle in order to revise its design.

It was stated that instead of the current technologies, new technical solutions would be used in the rocket, in particular, oxygen-kerosene engines would be replaced, as well as reusable technology would be applied.

Due to the work on the new concept of the Yenisei, it was proposed to adjust the space program, and to use the Angara launch vehicles for flights to the Moon.

The beginning of the creation of the first modules for the Yenisei was announced last spring. As Rogozin explained, the new rocket will be assembled according to the principle of a designer from ready-made elements that are independent products. The start of flight design tests of the Russian super-heavy rocket was scheduled for 2028; a launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome.
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  1. Hog
    Hog 16 February 2021 08: 03
    +2
    New concept

    And it sounds laughing
    Well, let's see what comes of it.
    1. Civil
      Civil 16 February 2021 08: 19
      +28
      The start of flight design tests of the Russian super-heavy rocket was scheduled for 2028; a launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

      Yeah, by 2030 Battlestar Galaktika, and by 2035 a launch site on the rings of Saturn.
      The hangar has been made since 1994. And then, in 7 years, they decided to launch Yenisei.
      New table for the Yenisei on Vostochny. Not everyone has been seated at the past tables ...
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 16 February 2021 08: 28
        +5
        The new concept of the Russian super-heavy launch vehicle Yenisei, on which work has been suspended, will be presented in three to four months. This was stated by the head of Roscosmos Dmitry Rogozin.

        And now not everything is ready?

        And now, dear boys and girls, I will tell you whose budget is presented here in the form of Leo, and who is this hairdresser from Roscosmos ...
      2. leks
        leks 16 February 2021 08: 40
        +6
        Something needs to be said, the inner voice of the journalist tells him.
        He perfectly understands that he will hardly lead the RK, not only on the 28th, but most likely by the 25th, so you can promise what you want.
        The previous guide, also promised, is enough to read the news about space in the mid and late XNUMXs.
        99.9% sure that Yenisei will not be ready for this year plus three five years at best.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 16 February 2021 11: 45
          +10
          Rogozin has to say something, that's understandable. By position. But why bother with obvious nonsense? Why mention reusable technology?
          Anyone in the subject knows that it is impossible to apply such technologies in practice on the line of Soviet-designed liquid-propellant engines existing in Russia today. Neither practically nor theoretically. It is impossible in principle.
          But according to Rogozin, a new superheavy concept using reusable technologies will be ready in 4 months. It's funny.
          What engines will Yenisei be based on? RD-0169? So, in KBKhA, the horse did not roll over it in fact. The same Rogozin, 2 years ago, lamented that there was no money for its development, because all the loot was spent on paying off the TsiH's debts. The engine, at its best, will be released on LI in 2023.
          But the superheavy concept will be ready in four months! Interestingly, and Rogozin as a journalist understands the meaning of this term? Concept?
          Does the Republic of Kazakhstan have any clear development strategy at all?
          Where will the RD-0169 be added (if it is brought to mind)? Soyuz-5? After all, it is from its elements that the Yenisei will be assembled? Those. the fifth Union will no longer be a kerosene stove? And all the previously made developments, drawings, documentation down the drain? All the developments of RSC Energia, RCC Progress, TsiKh, NPO Energomash, TsENKI, TsNIIMash - into the trash can?
          Or Amur-LNG? On the first stage, you will have to sculpt 5 pieces. In this configuration, the stage will throw 12,5 tons on LEO. But the announced superheavy must throw at least 50 tons (or 70?) There. What to do? Tied with a bunch of "sausages", as we have been the custom since the time of the Queen? So how many engines will we get at the bottom of the first stage? And then what will sit down in general?
          In short, all this is nonsense. The methane engine still needs to be done. These are years. For it, you need to make an average pH, run it in. It's still years. And only after that it will be possible to think about the concept of superheavy. Only after that will she appear. If Rogozin really wants to make a new reusable product based on new technologies.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 16 February 2021 11: 57
            +7
            "Russia today is unable to line up Soviet-designed rocket engines. Neither practically, nor theoretically. Impossible in principle." Energy was also supposed to use up to 10 times the first stages with RD 170
            1. slipped
              slipped 16 February 2021 12: 21
              +4
              Quote: Vadim237
              Energy was also supposed to use up to 10 times the first stages with RD 170


              Moreover, both RD-170 and RD-180 were burned using methane.
            2. Cosm22
              Cosm22 17 February 2021 23: 04
              +5
              Kindly tell in detail HOW EXACTLY "it was supposed to use the first stages with RD 10 up to 170 times". To clarify: not engines, but steps?
              And if it was supposed, then why was it not used? At least in the first and at the same time the last launch?
          2. slipped
            slipped 16 February 2021 12: 30
            -1
            Quote: Cosm22
            Rogozin has to say something, that's understandable. By position. But why bother with obvious nonsense? Why mention reusable technology?


            It already looks like jealousy. laughing

            Quote: Cosm22
            Anyone in the subject knows that it is impossible to apply such technologies in practice on the line of Soviet-designed liquid-propellant engines existing in Russia today. Neither practically nor theoretically. It is impossible in principle.


            The RD-171MV engine is reusable.

            Quote: Cosm22
            But according to Rogozin, a new superheavy concept using reusable technologies will be ready in 4 months. It's funny.


            People work.

            Quote: Cosm22
            What engines will Yenisei be based on? RD-0169? So, in KBKhA, the horse did not roll over it in fact.


            In fact, the combustion chamber has already been tested there.

            Quote: Cosm22
            The same Rogozin, 2 years ago, lamented that there was no money for its development, because all the loot was spent on paying off the TsiH's debts. The engine, at its best, will be released on LI in 2023.


            He is not needed before. There is no Amur-LNG launch vehicle in this FKP. And the debts of the TsiH have practically been paid off.

            Quote: Cosm22
            But the superheavy concept will be ready in four months! Interestingly, and Rogozin as a journalist understands the meaning of this term? Concept?


            This is also called an advance project. Several such folders with documents on the desktop. laughing

            Quote: Cosm22
            Does the Republic of Kazakhstan have any clear development strategy at all?


            Read FKP again.

            Quote: Cosm22
            Where will the RD-0169 be added (if it is brought to mind)? Soyuz-5?


            The Amur-LNG launch vehicle has tanks of the same diameter as the Soyuz-5 launch vehicle. And the aluminum alloy is the same.

            Quote: Cosm22
            In short, all this is nonsense.


            SpaceXPeard Detected.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 17 February 2021 11: 54
              +5
              Then I was banned for a while. I suspect from whose direction.
              Well, okay, these are trifles.
              1. It looks like a grin.
              2. When you understand the difference between a reusable motor (meaning the possibility of a multiple on-off cycle) and a reusable stage, we will continue this conversation.
              3. Forgot to clarify what people are working on. Over the kerosene Union-5?
              4. There is no engine. And it won't be this year. Nor will it happen next.
              5. Dolgov, therefore, no? Isn't it for this reason that TsiKh is hastily selling out areas after moving to Omsk?
              6. I read it. And more than once. No prompts. Therefore, I assert that there is no clear development strategy.
              7. The meaning of the question, I see, is not clear? What will underlie the Yenisei? Union? Amur? Even Rogozin does not know this. Despite the abundance of "folders with documents on the desktop."
              1. slipped
                slipped 17 February 2021 12: 10
                +1
                Quote: Cosm22
                I suspect from whose direction.


                Whose?

                Quote: Cosm22
                1. It looks like a grin.


                We create new space technologies every day.

                Quote: Cosm22
                2. When you understand the difference between a reusable motor (meaning the possibility of a multiple on-off cycle) and a reusable stage, we will continue this conversation.


                The stage is tanks, engine and control system. The conversation was about engines.

                Quote: Cosm22
                3. Forgot to clarify what people are working on. Over the kerosene Union-5?


                The answer was about STK. Naphthyl "Soyuz-5" - development of a new stage production technology.

                Quote: Cosm22
                4. There is no engine. And it won't be this year. Nor will it happen next.


                For two years, new missiles are not created.

                Quote: Cosm22
                5. Dolgov, therefore, no? Isn't it for this reason that TsiKh is hastily selling out areas after moving to Omsk?


                The Khrunichev Center remains in its place in Moscow and switches to the hydrogen theme. Upper stages and rocket stages are still being produced there.

                Quote: Cosm22
                6. I read it. And more than once. No prompts. Therefore, I assert that there is no clear development strategy.


                Reread. laughing And pay attention to what we have planned to do by 2025 in various areas of space activities.

                Quote: Cosm22
                7. The meaning of the question, I see, is not clear? What will underlie the Yenisei? Union? Amur? Even Rogozin does not know this. Despite the abundance of "folders with documents on the desktop."


                The rocket technical design workflow is in progress. At this stage, it can change in any direction from different wishes. At the moment, its configuration is known. Rogozin made it clear how much time had been allotted to make the changes.
          3. Torins
            Torins 16 February 2021 17: 52
            -3
            You are Rogozin's deputy, that you are so aware of the true state of affairs?)))
          4. Simargl
            Simargl 16 February 2021 18: 59
            +3
            Quote: Cosm22
            But according to Rogozin, a new superheavy concept using reusable technologies will be ready in 4 months. It's funny.
            Yes, I'm now throwing a concept: LEO 150-180 tons, RD-171x on the first stage, 8 side ones, one central ...

            Quote: Cosm22
            Anyone in the subject knows that it is impossible to apply such technologies in practice on the line of Soviet-developed liquid-propellant rocket engines existing in Russia today.
            Our problem is not in the reuse of the stage, but in the control of the return: even the taiga is populated (oddly enough), people periodically suffer. Reuse is a nice bonus.
      3. Pereira
        Pereira 16 February 2021 08: 44
        +1
        By the time the construction of the new table begins, they will already be released.
    2. Runoway
      Runoway 16 February 2021 08: 32
      +4
      Well, let's see what comes of it.


      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 16 February 2021 13: 56
        -1
        what Rogozin says must be divided by ten and forgotten ...
        1. Runoway
          Runoway 16 February 2021 14: 04
          +1
          And we have not only Rogozin wink
          all the ministers to be selected, with them uncle Chernomor
  2. askort154
    askort154 16 February 2021 08: 04
    +18
    Ragozin made an entry on Twitter.

    It's time to block Ragozin's Twitter. tongue negative
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 16 February 2021 08: 36
      +3
      He had already transferred his account to Rosskosmos, but could not resist switched to the tweeter of the robot Fedor, and after Fedor attacked our cosmonauts with insults. Fyodor was blocked, and Rogozin again took back his account
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 16 February 2021 08: 45
        +1
        What a rich life a person has!
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 16 February 2021 08: 39
      +3
      Quote: askort154
      It's time to block Ragozin's Twitter.

      Yes, he is more secretive for secrecy than the director of NASA is told, and he is a bastard on Twitter, spreads it out.
    3. Taga
      Taga 16 February 2021 09: 25
      0
      Democracy, only works against non-democrats!
    4. slipped
      slipped 16 February 2021 12: 31
      0
      Quote: askort154
      Ragozin made an entry on Twitter.

      It's time to block Ragozin's Twitter. tongue negative


      He has Telegram laughing Are you jealous that he is posting news on Russian space?
  3. Asad
    Asad 16 February 2021 08: 08
    +3
    To adjust the look! Can create first and then tweet. On the HYIP, the Mask cannot be overtaken.
  4. NDR-791
    NDR-791 16 February 2021 08: 09
    +2
    creation of Russian super-heavy launch vehicle Yeniseiintended for flights to the moon, suspended indefinitely
    it was proposed to adjust the space program, and use Angara launch vehicles for flights to the Moon.
    If we are flying to the moon all the same on the Angara, then where are we flying on the Yenisei? Or do we not fly, but we master the funds? It would be better if the tugboat continued to be made, with it it is really possible to get to the moon cheaper
    1. loki565
      loki565 16 February 2021 08: 19
      -3
      If we are flying to the moon all the same on the Angara, then where are we flying on the Yenisei? Or do we not fly, but we master the funds? It would be better if the tugboat continued to be made, with it it is really possible to get to the moon cheaper

      A tug is of course good, but this is new technology and it is not yet known what will come of it.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 16 February 2021 08: 32
        -2
        And what they offer is not new technologies?
        and it is not yet known what will come of it
        Perhaps Korolev, Yangel and all the pioneers should have thought about this first of all? How would something go, right?
        1. loki565
          loki565 16 February 2021 09: 46
          0
          And what they offer is not new technologies?
          and it is not yet known what will come of it
          Perhaps Korolev, Yangel and all the pioneers should have thought about this first of all? How would something go, right?

          No, you did not understand. The space tug will take a long time to accelerate due to its engines, it is suitable for long-distance flights, without a crew, only robotics.
          1. slipped
            slipped 16 February 2021 12: 39
            +2
            Quote: loki565
            No, you did not understand. The space tug will take a long time to accelerate due to its engines, it is suitable for long-distance flights, without a crew, only robotics.


            They also do a tug. Regarding "it will take a long time to accelerate" - a prototype of the MPRD engine with thrust has already been made when it is scaled up to 5 Newtons. The prototype itself on tests produced a thrust of 1 Newton and this at a power of 30 kW. Frame from tests:

            1. loki565
              loki565 16 February 2021 14: 10
              0
              They also do a tug. Regarding "it will take a long time to accelerate" - a prototype of the MPRD engine with thrust has already been made when it is scaled up to 5 Newtons. The prototype itself on tests produced a thrust of 1 Newton and this at a power of 30 kW. Frame from tests:

              This is interesting, but there is little real information, therefore, confusion with speed and overclocking.
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 16 February 2021 08: 37
      -2
      According to the official document on the Tug to the Moon for 200 days to joke.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 16 February 2021 08: 42
        -1
        Are we in a hurry somewhere? wassat Judging by that whistle with alterations, additions and concepts, we will always have time !!!
      2. Sly
        Sly 16 February 2021 08: 53
        -2
        Quote: BlackMokona
        According to the official document on the Tug to the Moon for 200 days to joke.

        Distance to the Moon ~ 385000 km / 200/24 ​​= ~ 80 km / h. Are you seriously?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 16 February 2021 09: 03
          +1
          Yes
          MOSCOW, Dec 15 - PRIME. The Russian nuclear tug Nuclon will be able to deliver 10 tons of cargo to the Moon in 200 days, according to the documents of Roscosmos, published on the website of state purchases.

          https://1prime.ru/telecommunications_and_technologies/20201215/832582332.html
      3. slipped
        slipped 16 February 2021 12: 40
        0
        Quote: BlackMokona
        According to the official document on the Tug to the Moon for 200 days to joke.


        This is the terms of reference. If used for movement ID-250 and ID-500. In this case, the tugboat after the Moon can continue to move further - to Venus or to Jupiter, accelerating to a speed of over 50 km / s
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 16 February 2021 12: 44
          -1
          Well Duc man sends people to the moon and they fly 200 days before it. You understand how much they will eat and drink per flight to and fro. I'm afraid 10 tons won't fit all the supplies. But the ship still needs to be placed in this mass.
          Where did the branch begin
          1. slipped
            slipped 16 February 2021 12: 47
            +1
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Well Duc you send people to the moon and they fly 200 days before it. You understand how much they will eat and drink per flight to and fro. I'm afraid 10 tons won't fit all the supplies


            What kind of people? laughing People fly on the NPP with a super-heavy or four-launch, if using an A5B launch vehicle. They need to quickly slip through the radiation belts.

            The tug is dragging an unmanned truck. He doesn't care about radiation belts.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 16 February 2021 15: 15
              -2
              Here in the comments they suggested and I answered this
      4. ghby
        ghby 16 February 2021 13: 26
        +1
        Quote: BlackMokona
        According to the official document on the Tug to the Moon for 200 days to joke.

        no more than 4800 hours
      5. ultra
        ultra 17 February 2021 12: 05
        +1
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Well, Duc man sends people to the moon and they fly 200 days before it

        Not people, but an energy module.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 11: 46
      0
      It would be better if the tugboat continued to be made, with it it is really possible to get to the moon cheaper
      is that nucleon !? and on what its blocks and modules should be used, the super-heavy launch vehicle is needed again, like: "Yenisei"! wink but as we wait until 28, then with Nuclon also after 28, when American and Chinese apple trees will bloom on the moon under the domes ... laughing
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 16 February 2021 08: 12
    +1
    Well, God forbid, apparently we have come up with something new that does not fit into the dimensions of the previous development. Good luck.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 11: 48
      0
      Well, God forbid, apparently we have come up with something new
      gravitapu with meson drive !? And what can they think of, then they cannot draw an external appearance in the RN project, draw, Karl ??? wink Have you invented ours !? laughing
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 17 February 2021 12: 21
        0
        Have you ever designed something?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 17 February 2021 13: 39
          0
          Have you ever designed something?
          winked I had to and got a subscription for * ts years in the XNUMXs, even ... that's why such questions still cause a smile ... but that was in the past, so to speak, "in another life!" bully
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 17 February 2021 14: 42
            +1
            Moreover, then it is not clear why you are waving a sword? This is the lot of the potheads.
            I remember a couple of years ago, many giggled, called them cartoons, but it was not there, how they started and some of them got their eyes on their foreheads and had to change their pants. Don't underestimate our engineers. hi
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 17 February 2021 16: 57
              -1
              Moreover, then it is not clear why you are waving a sword? This is the lot of the potheads.
              this is a constructive criticism of some not entirely successful decisions made by the sun faces in the Russian Federation and in the leadership of Roscosmos, inclusive .., I hope you will understand why and why !? wink
              Don't underestimate our engineers.
              Our engineers are excellent, but the heads making (epoch-making later) decisions are different, and not engineering at all, from the word at all .., therefore I can not calmly relate to the decisions of a number of "effective representatives" of top management in the Russian Federation!
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 17 February 2021 18: 36
                +2
                I understand everything, but you must admit that those to whom you are addressing clearly do not visit VO. Not their level. lol
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 17 February 2021 18: 48
                  -1
                  those to whom you are addressing clearly do not visit VO. Not their level.
                  of course, that's why it's not for them, and certainly not for the sake of ... wink
  6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 16 February 2021 08: 19
    +13
    The new concept of the Russian super-heavy launch vehicle Yenisei, on which work has been suspended, will be presented in three to four months

    I remember on the fly
    “Where is the tank?” Asked the tankers.
    - And here, - the designers answered.
    - It???
    “Well, actually, this is not a tank yet.” This is the first conceptual experimental prototype of an experimental machine.
    - And at once it was impossible to make an experimental car?
    - Well, in such a case there is no need to rush. Plus we tried some interesting ideas on it ... "

    Only now, disgusting, we do not have a Panzerwaffe officer who would
    "... he said that he has acquaintances who work in the Gestapo, so if this buzzard continues, then some interesting ideas regarding pain thresholds, the strength of joints and joints, and anatomy in general will be tested on the constructors."

    Alas.
  7. K-50
    K-50 16 February 2021 08: 23
    +6
    One gets the impression that all these elections for new concepts of new missiles are needed so that the "artists" from "Roscosmos" do not forget how to draw. Because the name of their choice is infinity.
    Decide on something! AND DO !!!! fool
  8. evgen1221
    evgen1221 16 February 2021 08: 25
    -4
    And these are there too. Give them the moon after amers. Some kind of imprinting. A cheap, simple medium is needed for commercial launches. And they are the moon. And that they did not immediately aim at the centaurus?
    1. Runoway
      Runoway 16 February 2021 08: 35
      -5
      A cheap, simple medium is needed for commercial launches. And they are the moon. And that they did not immediately aim at the centaurus?

      Well, you have to show a tough opposition to the amers, they say we won't give the moon to Trump, we are also in the subject and we have a rocket on the way
      It's strange in general, for so many years they forgot about her, we understand our knees-90s, but now they remembered
  9. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 16 February 2021 08: 27
    -1
    Definitely gladdened in this whole space odyssey that at last they found a landing site for astronauts on their return to Earth in 2025.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 16 February 2021 09: 50
      +2
      It is immediately evident that people are working.
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 16 February 2021 09: 59
      +1
      Yeah, it looks the same as I would go today to dig for the treasure buried by my great-great-great-grandson.
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 16 February 2021 08: 34
    +4
    And what about Angara 5, they have already worked everything out, so much so that they forgot ..............
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 16 February 2021 09: 47
      +6
      Quote: APASUS
      And what about Angara 5, they have already worked everything out, so much so that they forgot ..............

      And she is in the picture at the beginning of the article. You can compare according to the picture:

      And here is a description of the number of engines and other things for "Yenisei":

      This is the concept of Roscosmos (Rogozin).
      For some reason, I remembered an anecdote about inertia:
      https://fishki.net/2712134-inercija.html
      And I remembered from the final phrase:
      - It’s yours! Ugh! What kind of inertia is that? In our village for three hundred years this ... is called
      So by analogy I want to say:
      Ugh! What's the concept? We have it ...
      1. slipped
        slipped 16 February 2021 12: 53
        +4
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Ugh! What's the concept? We have it ...


        This is called a package. At the moment, STK is a package of six modules with RD-171MV, a central module with RD-180MV and an accelerating-braking unit based on DM.
  11. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 16 February 2021 08: 42
    +1
    The start of flight design tests of the Russian super-heavy rocket was scheduled for 2028; a launch pad will be built for the rocket at the Vostochny cosmodrome.
    By this time, either the donkey will die, or the padishah wassat
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 16 February 2021 08: 48
      -1
      The main thing is to get out in time.
    2. Revival
      Revival 16 February 2021 09: 11
      -1
      "a launch pad will be built at the Vostochny cosmodrome."

      Judging by the "news", this is the most pleasant part of the plan ....
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 11: 53
      0
      either the donkey dies, or the padishah
      Careful comrade !!! Our padishah is eternal and sun-faced ... wink
  12. mark1
    mark1 16 February 2021 08: 54
    +2
    Here's who would explain to me a fool -
    As Rogozin explained, the new rocket will be assembled according to the principle of a designer from ready-made elements that are independent products.

    The finished elements are Soyuz-5, Soyuz-6, and a KVTK-type upper stage. Their development, as far as I understand, has not been suspended. Then thesis
    oxygen-kerosene engines will be replaced,
    not clear because it turns out that Soyuz-5 must also be canceled, and methane and hydrogen-oxygen engines are planned for the second stage and the upper stage. What is the novelty? For what the development was slowed down (in fact, the final assembly of the rocket from ready-made elements). Will they attach wings to the first stage? But this is not a reason to delay the program, you can then attach it, as it was planned at Energia. Oh, I would have whipped them all in Putin's place!
    1. Revival
      Revival 16 February 2021 09: 08
      -4
      "will be assembled on the principle of a constructor from ready-made elements that are independent products."

      In fact, apparently something like this:
      We take the turquoise refrigerator and screw it to the toilet, then we connect it to a stool, attach a sheet of slate, glue the wallpaper, do not forget a couple of plastic bottles, here they are next to each other, then, again, a wing from a moped, a cardboard box there, and then according to this scheme ...

      Two prerequisites are met:
      1) ready-made elements (well, what are there).
      2) which are independent products (absolutely).
      + You can try to shift the timeline "to the right" by no more than 10 years!

      So win!
    2. mark1
      mark1 16 February 2021 09: 23
      +2
      So I honestly asked you to explain everything. And now, some kind of person, filled to capacity with secret knowledge, gives me a weighty "-". Well, you at least explain, man, since he is so advanced. Why is that proud!
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 16 February 2021 11: 46
      +1
      Quote: mark1
      Why the development was slowed down

      They told you:
      suspended indefinitely to correct her appearance

      Can't decide what color to paint. laughing
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 11: 55
      -1
      not clear because it turns out that Soyuz-5 must also be canceled, and methane and hydrogen-oxygen engines are planned for the second stage and the upper stage.
      I missed something, but there are already methane ones, that is, they are ready and are in the assembly shop ??? And KVZHRD, where ???? maybe there is a test roller, or the exact characteristics are somewhere there ... wink
      1. mark1
        mark1 17 February 2021 14: 58
        +2
        RD-0162, RD-0177 Wikipedia to help you. It's just that the use of derivatives of these engines instead of the RD-171 at the first stage is a gamble that takes us far away and the money is not small, and it is certainly not a priority. The second stage is the correct decision, and according to the first stage at the moment it is the intrigue of the enemies of the people.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 17 February 2021 16: 59
          -1
          It's just that the use of derivatives of these engines instead of the RD-171 at the first stage is a gamble that takes us far away and the money is not small, and it is certainly not a priority.
          so I was waiting for this, until someone writes about the adventure .. honestly! (+ 1, from me) ...
  13. prior
    prior 16 February 2021 08: 57
    +3
    After 50 years:
    - Granddaughter, and now I will tell you about Roscosmos and the Yenisei rocket.
    - Grandma, well, you have a memory!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 17 February 2021 11: 57
      -1
      Granddaughter, now I'll tell you about Roscosmos and the Yenisei rocket.
      - Grandma, well, you have a memory!
      said the granddaughters and called the anti-gravity mobile, sighing, flew to his home on Proxima Centauri !? wink
  14. Revival
    Revival 16 February 2021 08: 59
    -3
    Message about the idea of ​​starting the development of the plan to start planning to develop the concept of start .....
  15. Taga
    Taga 16 February 2021 09: 21
    +1
    Wait and see!
  16. Antidote
    Antidote 16 February 2021 09: 23
    +1
    Clovan, like the chef, but this story will come to dear Russians, the caps are already ready.
  17. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 16 February 2021 10: 19
    +1
    Rogozin developed a chronic tweet. A potent medicine is urgently needed!
    1. Yuriy71
      Yuriy71 17 February 2021 21: 34
      +2
      Dismissal and COURT !!!
  18. Tektor
    Tektor 16 February 2021 10: 57
    -1
    This is good: it is better to think a few times ... Then weigh ... And then do ...
  19. Volga073
    Volga073 16 February 2021 17: 14
    +1
    I myself throw in a new concept in a couple of hours.
    But why was the previous one stopped?
  20. Klingon
    Klingon 16 February 2021 17: 18
    0
    new prequel to Star Trek
    * Space ... the last frontier .. The Yenisei starship plows through outer spaces, worlds where no man's foot has gone ".. *
    and Rogozinn by any chance there is not Cochran Gokhrane's great-grandfather? that on the Yenisei they decided to cut Warp-dviglo? wassat
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  21. Anton Shtopany
    Anton Shtopany 16 February 2021 17: 40
    -1
    We move correctly, we immediately switch to new technologies, right now the engines will be up to 28g, you look, the electronics will be tightened and we will fly to the moon in front of the entire planet
  22. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 16 February 2021 18: 46
    +1
    So now a tug with a nuclear reactor is being done.

    Isn't it better to use it for flights to the moon than to develop rockets with chemical engines?
    1. slipped
      slipped 16 February 2021 19: 56
      +2
      Quote: Sands Career General
      So now a tug with a nuclear reactor is being done.

      Isn't it better to use it for flights to the moon than to develop rockets with chemical engines?


      So it will be used to deliver various cargo to the Moon and other bodies of the solar system. And the rocket is needed to deliver astronauts to the Moon on our new spacecraft.
    2. Yuriy71
      Yuriy71 17 February 2021 21: 33
      0
      Who told you!? I heard about it, but these are fairy tales, for you - before bed! )))
  23. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 17 February 2021 21: 29
    0
    Concepts ..... this is so cool .... until a year, so 2050 will draw a sketch project! And under this - to suck financing from the budget !!! The program of action has ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED !!! Roscosmos, headed by a journalist - Khan! Actually, he masterfully coped with the task of the collapse of the Russian space!
  24. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 17 February 2021 21: 31
    +1
    You here are all amicably discussing - where and how, and on what will Russia fly! Yes, Nowhere !!! Open your eyes! Can't you see the Elementary, what's going on !? One Propaganda, but NO deeds !!!