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The decision to purchase BMPT "Terminator-2" will be made based on the results of tests

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The decision to purchase BMPT "Terminator-2" will be made based on the results of tests

The final decision on the serial production of support combat vehicles tanks (BMPT) "Terminator 2" will be adopted following the test program. Reported by "News" with reference to the Ministry of Defense.


As the newspaper writes, testing BMPT takes almost a year. Based on the results of the tests, the Ministry of Defense will make the final decision on the introduction into service and the serial purchase of combat vehicles. Currently, the first stage of tests has been completed, associated with a general acquaintance with the BMPT, the study of the controls and weapon systems of the combat vehicle.

The second stage of tests will be devoted to the use of BMPTs in combat conditions. The test program will include a comprehensive run-in, including shooting in different weather and temperature in winter and summer. Terminators will be tested in conjunction with both tanks and infantry.

When these machines were developed, there was no complete understanding of how they would operate on the battlefield. Now the military will have to study this technique not only technically, but also tactically.

- said military expert Viktor Murakhovsky.

It is noted that until 2017 the fate of the Terminator BMPT was uncertain, but the tests carried out in Syria made it possible to make a decision on the production of a batch of these combat vehicles for trial operation. At the same time, other countries expressed interest in BMPT. In 2020, Algeria received a batch of BMPTs, which ordered about 300 Terminators.

All eight Terminator BMPTs, which arrived at the end of November 2020 in the 90th Panzer Division stationed in the Chelyabinsk Region, will take part in testing.
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  1. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 15 February 2021 11: 14
    +12
    Come on, dear Chebarkul, test the machines.
    There would be schA ...
    How many memories.
    Good luck, Mazuta!

    Small caliber protected by TANK armor.
    How we missed it ...
    Eheh.
    Many different opinions about the Frame.
    It's time to formulate your impressions of it in an article.
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 15 February 2021 11: 22
      +6
      She would have to strengthen the armor of the combat module. In general, it would be what you need!
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 15 February 2021 11: 26
        +5
        Quote: Old Tanker
        She would have to strengthen the armor of the combat module. In general, it would be what you need!

        Welcome.
        hi
        You are at the very point.
        Projectile resistance DUM.
        She has no more critical flaws.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR 15 February 2021 11: 50
          +3
          How do you see its use?
          Just wondering. Rave screams are great, but as you personally see its use.
          A tank platoon of 3 vehicles, in an offensive it operates on a front of 300-500 meters, a company advances to a front up to one and a half km (see Combat Regulations for the preparation and conduct of combined arms combat. Part 2: or part 3: PLATFORM, Squad, TANK, about units and formations we will not talk)
          Where and how do you see the BMPT armored group structure?
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker 15 February 2021 12: 09
            +4
            Read carefully the BUSV that you trump. The front of the platoon's offensive is up to 300m, the front of the company's offensive is 1000m. And the 500 and 1500 you mentioned are a platoon and a company in defense.
            So the offensive of the tank platoon. On one side, between the tank going in the center, there is usually an infantry fighting vehicle of the attached mso, but on the other side there is a very place for the BMPT. Total from right to left along the front: tank, BMPT, tank, BMP, tank. It is obvious. Well, this is classic. It's about the same in defense.
            1. chenia
              chenia 15 February 2021 12: 30
              +1
              Quote: Old Tankman
              but on the other hand, the very place for the BMPT


              It is desirable to have BMPT in tank units. A company in TB, or a platoon in TR. For me, it's better to have one BMPT (or two - this is in the TB MSP) in a tank platoon. In the latter version, new subdivisions do not appear at all (they do not increase structurally, but are supplemented. One way or another, they work together anyway, even if they polish the interaction (at the platoon level, that's the thing).
              1. Old tanker
                Old tanker 15 February 2021 12: 41
                +1
                I completely agree. Tank battalions of motorized rifle brigades of a platoon of 4 tanks. So it is quite logical to include the 4th BMPT vehicle in the tank platoons of tank brigades and regiments. The only thing is that it is easier to organize combat training as part of a unit of the same type. But in the case of BMPT, this will only apply to performing single shooting exercises. Again, this can be solved by one run of the 3rd BMPT company. Although here you may have to re-cover the target environment.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 15 February 2021 22: 42
                  0
                  BMPT company as part of a tank battalion. For ease of maintenance, combat training and logistics.
                  Combat use is adaptive, depending on the combat mission - distributed or concentrated. The battle conditions in the field, on rough terrain, in urban areas or during the assault on capital positions are different and require an individual approach and solutions.
                  1. YOUR
                    YOUR 16 February 2021 03: 00
                    0
                    For ease of maintenance, BMPT on the T-72 platform, i.e. the technical side does not cause complications.
                    Combat training should take place together with tankers, they should act together.
                    The rest is very nice words.
                    All actions, the composition of any units, assault groups are described in the combat manual and act according to the BU, and not as God puts it on your soul.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 16 February 2021 08: 29
                      +1
                      BMPT has yet to be written into the statutes. And the combat vehicles of the BMPT company can be painted according to the tank units of the battalion, for example, the 1st platoon of the BMPT is assigned to the 1st tank company of the battalion. Based on the assumption that the battalion has 3 tank companies and one BMPT company.
                      The BMPT has not only a chassis, but also an extensive armament complex that is not identical to the tank one. Optics, electronics, hydraulics, thermal imagers, etc., are different from the tank. The training of recruits, the transfer of combat experience and operational skills, speak of the desirability of grouping such vehicles into their own units (as part of tank units), and not smearing one per tank platoon.
                      But they need to train together, to work out interaction in battle.
            2. YOUR
              YOUR 15 February 2021 13: 16
              0
              BU this is not what I am trumping, it is a regulation it is a document according to which the troops live, fight, supply, organize a march.
              You seem to be based on war films. Tank and tank landing in one compartment. This was when the infantry did not have armored vehicles. The BTR appeared, the charter changed, the BMP appeared, the charter changed.
              The offensive is a standard formation of a tank and 50 meters behind a platoon of a m / st on an infantry fighting vehicle. Upon reaching the trenches for 50 - 100 meters, the infantry parachute and, with a throw, firing from small arms reaches the enemy trenches, throwing grenades at him. Something like this is written in the BU.
              Those. in our case, the tank is behind 3 BMP. Where is the place for the BMPT?
              In defense, tanks are pulled back and maneuverable armored groups are created from tank subunits, which "plug" the enemy's breakthrough.
              By the way, BMPs are also retracted back For them, caponiers come off up to 50 meters from the trench that occupies the compartment.
              A platoon in defense can be assigned a tank. Not even a platoon is a tank, but a tank platoon is attached to a m / line, which is a fire reserve and is located 100 - 300 m from the forward trenches.
              Well, where do you think is the place for BMPT?
              According to your doctrine, the composition of the tank platoon, you see 3 tanks and 3 BMPTs. Isn't it too curly. Apparently, you have no idea how to control vehicles with various weapons in battle.
              I'll add more. The BMP-3 is much better armed than the BMPT. Instead of one 30mm cannon, it has a 100mm cannon. The same number of ATGMs and three machine guns.
              1. Old tanker
                Old tanker 15 February 2021 13: 26
                +4
                BU this is not what I am trumping, it is a regulation it is a document according to which the troops live, fight, supply, organize a march.

                And it's very bad that you do not know the tactical standards specified in it for a platoon and company in an offensive. And do not know the removal of the dismounting line from the trenches
                enemy. How and at what distance behind the tanks in the battle line are BMPs.

                You have not read carefully what I have suggested. I will repeat it personally for you
                The order of battle of a tank platoon with the attached mso on the BMP (note) and BMPT. From right to left: tank, BMPT, tank, BMP, tank.
                So, do not watch a movie. Read carefully what I suggested.

                Of course, you know better which subunits and units I was in charge of in training and real combat.
                But according to your spitch, everything is clear to me with you.
                1. YOUR
                  YOUR 16 February 2021 13: 40
                  -1
                  I do not know what you commanded there in tanks, but as soon as you issued a tank + BMP bundle, your level minus one hundredth.
                  Whereupon I take my leave, I see no reason to argue with such a "specialist"
            3. Ben Gunn
              Ben Gunn 15 February 2021 13: 38
              -1
              And what tasks will this BMPT perform there?
              1. Old tanker
                Old tanker 15 February 2021 13: 41
                +1
                The "Terminator" BMPT tank support combat vehicle is a combat vehicle designed to operate in battle formations of tanks and to combat infantry, lightly armored vehicles, anti-tank weapons and helicopters that pose a threat to tanks on the battlefield.
                1. Ben Gunn
                  Ben Gunn 15 February 2021 13: 54
                  -1
                  Infantry, lightly armored vehicles and anti-tank weapons can quite successfully hit our tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and infantry. How will BMPT fight helicopters? Cannons, with a range of air targets up to 2500 m? Or an ATGM with a range of 6-8 km? When the same old Hellfire crossed the range of 10 km long ago. This I mean that BMPT in the form in which they are trying to shove it to us is not needed from the word "absolutely".
                  1. Old tanker
                    Old tanker 15 February 2021 14: 01
                    +2
                    Well, helicopters are not armed with Hellfires alone. And the battlefield is not a flat billiard table 10 km long. We have to come closer and closer. By the way, when we have more long-range ATGMs, nothing prevents them from being installed on BMPTs during modernization.
                    Tanks primarily fight tanks and other armored vehicles. BMP will of course fight infantry and infantry fire weapons. But! She is lightly armored and it will be difficult for her to get to the line of dismounting. A heavier armored BMPT has a much better chance. Well, the firepower of the BMPT is several times superior to the BMP-2 and surpasses the BMP-3. So an additional firepower that will clean up trenches or an attacking enemy in battle formation can only be welcomed! It is not instead of some other means of fire. And in addition.
                    1. Ben Gunn
                      Ben Gunn 15 February 2021 14: 59
                      -3
                      So, in my opinion, we do not need BMPTs, but normal heavy infantry fighting vehicles or armored personnel carriers (such as T-15 or Namer), which can carry 8-10 people in the landing. The tanks and their own have a lot of firepower, and no one can cope with the cleaning of trenches and the like better than the infantry. Self-propelled mortars with a firing range of 10-12 km are also needed. And helicopters must be fought by specialized anti-aircraft guns and other air forces. Each of these will do its job better than BMPT.
                      An attempt to combine everything in one machine looks very much like the pre-war Tukhachevism with universal guns. How it ended is known.
                      BMPT, as an engineering creation, is certainly good and interesting. But this is a very specific car, which is also 20-25 years late. Now it is not needed in our army and spending money on it is a mistake.
                      1. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 15 February 2021 15: 26
                        +3
                        The point is that heavy infantry fighting vehicles cannot swim. And with the abundance of rivers in most of our theaters, we need to have a fairly large number of amphibious vehicles. So heavy infantry fighting vehicles cannot completely replace floating ones.
                        You understand that the possibility of fighting air targets is also indicated in the combat capabilities of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, but this does not mean that they will fight them at all. They just have such an opportunity in certain situations. So it is with BMPT. The means of air attack will be fought by the means of military air defense, not the Terminators. I repeat that with modern means of destruction, a significant part of the BMP in the place with the landing party inside will not reach the line of transition to the attack. Sadly, it is a fact. Therefore, an additional trench cleaner in a battle formation will not be superfluous. And it will require additional weapons from the enemy.
                        In addition, our formations and units have an orientation towards a certain theater of military operations and an operational direction. And turn, in certain directions there will be units equipped with heavy infantry fighting vehicles and tanks. And they are unlikely to have BMPTs. But in those units and formations where enhanced fire support will be needed not only for tanks, but also for infantry, BMOT / BMPT can be very useful. In the mountains, BMOT / BMPT can generally replace a tank. Since the tank often lacks the angle of the gun.
                        And there was also an amazing fact in my service. Two tank regiments of our division had no infantry at all !!! Can you imagine? Historical fact. That's where BMPTs come in handy!
                        And I think that the military leadership will figure out which units, in what quantities and for what tasks our army needs BMPTs and whether they are needed at all.
                      2. Ben Gunn
                        Ben Gunn 15 February 2021 17: 39
                        +2
                        Nobody talks about the complete replacement of amphibious infantry fighting vehicles with heavy ones, but at least in tank regiments (brigades) it is necessary. The possibility of combating air targets is also in the description of the AK, I agree, but it is in the case of the BMPT that this very conditional possibility is constantly emphasized as if the BMPT is almost a replacement for the 2S6.
                        The next, how the machine, with visibility, approximately, of the tank, will clean the trenches - I personally do not understand and the effectiveness of this "cleaning" seems extremely low.
                        In order for the BMP with the landing force to reach the line of transition to the attack, there is such a long-known thing as fire preparation for an attack, where the main fiddle is played by artillery and during which the enemy's fire resources must be knocked out to the maximum.
                        I agree with the BMOT completely, the car is necessary and useful.
                      3. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 15 February 2021 18: 23
                        0
                        Have you heard about the American systems ATACAMS and HIMARS, MLRS? Do you know the range of their defeat?
                        And at what distance from the enemy is our starting area for the offensive located? Do you know the firing range of their barreled artillery? At what distance from the enemy are the lines of deployment in battalion, company and then platoon columns located? And the line of interception to attack? I don't mention enemy tactical, army aviation and UAVs. Have you at least once in your life carried out tactical calculations on the possibility of completing the task and the balance of forces and means for carrying out an offensive at least on the enemy's battalion tactical group? Did you calculate the coefficient of losses before reaching the line of transition to the attack based on the means of destruction available to the enemy? Did you consider the coefficient of density of fire along the front edge of the enemy, which must be created at least to suppress his main fire assets? What is the maximum allowable percentage of our losses that allows us to continue the task at hand? What percentage of the remaining unaffected firepower provides the enemy with the stability of the defense?
                        Judging by your words about the first violin, you have no idea about all of the above.
                      4. Ben Gunn
                        Ben Gunn 15 February 2021 19: 04
                        0
                        Of course I don’t, you were the only one who served in the army, so much for us, bast shoes))) I know, I counted more than a battalion. I personally worked for HIMARS and MLRS, did you? The attempt to impress me with the list of questions failed. And most importantly, the role, place and necessity of BMPT did not become clearer from this.
                      5. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 15 February 2021 19: 23
                        -1
                        The attempt was successful. Not a single question has been answered.
                        If you could answer at least one, then the role of BMPT would be clear to you.
                        Security question in your head - what is an order card?
                      6. Ben Gunn
                        Ben Gunn 15 February 2021 19: 29
                        -1
                        I didn’t come here to pass exams to just anyone and amuse your self-esteem. And since you have already openly started to move away from the topic, I conclude that in fact there is nothing to tell you.
                      7. Old tanker
                        Old tanker 15 February 2021 19: 38
                        0
                        The fact that you cannot add two plus two, I understood. And the fact that you do not understand that in tactical calculations, an additional firepower with three target channels is a plus. Calculate its (BMPT) fire capabilities in various types of combat, you could not initially be clear.
                        I wish you good health and take care of yourself.
                      8. Ben Gunn
                        Ben Gunn 15 February 2021 20: 55
                        +1
                        Thank you for your concern, and you take care of yourself, do not be nervous, it is harmful at your age. Okay, I will not pay attention to your clearly demagogic methods and attempts to portray a teacher. In operational calculations, an additional pistol is a plus, obviously. How many years have they been trying to push this car into the troops? ten? 10? Its armament complex is already outdated. Protection against 15A2 has long been a standard requirement for light armored vehicles among our least likely allies. Moreover, today there is in the hardware really ideal, in my opinion, BMPT - T-42, the armament of which is better and much more promising. Previously, the "Terminator" seemed to me a very interesting and necessary car, but over time, my opinion has completely changed. If you can calmly explain why we need her the way she is, and where she should be in OSHU, I will be grateful.
                      9. bayard
                        bayard 16 February 2021 10: 43
                        +1
                        The whole problem of the long-suffering "Terminator" when searching for his place in battle formations is that she was simply incorrectly named / classified.
                        Change the BMPT abbreviation to "Assault Infantry Support Vehicle" (SHMPP), and everything immediately falls into place. Its place is in front of the attacking infantry, suppressing firing points and manpower through the parapet and behind cover. Throw VOGs into the enemy's trenches, drive into the trenches themselves and arrange "rock-and-roll" there, provide fire support for the infantry in urban areas and mountainous terrain, thanks to the large elevation angle of the guns and ... the protection of tank columns on the march.
                        When attacking strongly fortified positions, the infantry must dismount to the zone of destruction of their carriers (lightly armored infantry fighting vehicles) and further advance under the cover of armor of tanks and BMPT / ShMPP. Before the line of destruction of RPG tanks, the tanks must stop and fire from this line, providing fire cover and defeat the identified targets, and the infantry enters the position under cover and together with BMPT / ShMPP, because the protection of the "Terminator" is in no way inferior to MBT ( and they say that it is somewhat superior).
                        When, according to the experience of the war in Afghanistan, the TTZ was drawn up, it was stipulated that a vehicle with tank protection and small-caliber artillery was needed ... But it was named incorrectly. Because of this, the misunderstanding of its place in the battle formations of tank units ... after all, by name, this is a vehicle for their support.
                        So:
                        STORM SUPPORT VEHICLE.
                        And everything immediately falls into place.

                        And to defeat enemy infantry fighting vehicles with protection from 30 mm. The Terminator has ATGMs. Tea their crew also knows about the security of their targets.

                        And the chassis from the T-72 storage bases, significantly reduce the cost of production of such machines. And they provide their unification on the way.
                      10. Ben Gunn
                        Ben Gunn 16 February 2021 12: 02
                        +3
                        Thanks for the answer. Yes, this role for her seems more logical and the place of the car in the OShS and on the battlefield is immediately clearer.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 15 February 2021 12: 10
    +7
    ... How do you see its use?
    Just wondering. Rave screams are great, but as you personally see its use.
    Tank platoon 3 vehicles, in

    Hello.

    You can't say it in a nutshell ...
    Give it a week or two for the article, otherwise the fingers after a stroke are not quite yet, ahem ... Copenhagen.
    repeat
    I will describe PERSONAL impressions.
    .....
    Briefly about your question, then:
    Linear platoon, company, etc. have not been ideally used for a long time.
    And rightly so.
    What to do with it?
    Use as "attached" to the unit, the technique, i.e. as a "means of reinforcement" for performing a specific task at a specific tactical theater of the DB.
    Sound familiar?
    Undoubtedly.

    For some reason, no one is surprised at the presence of an ACS battery and a tank company in the BTGr (Battalion Tactical Group (reinforced battalion)) and does not scratch a turnip over their use.
    But how to use the Frame - ... for some reason they don't know, but instead use the BMP-2 WITHOUT AIRCRAFT ...
    request
    AT THE FRAME OF THE WAGON OF TACTICAL TASKS, especially in parts where there is no TBMP, and such, so far, the majority.
    1. venik
      venik 15 February 2021 12: 45
      +4
      Quote: Aleks tv
      AT THE FRAME OF THE CARS OF TACTICAL TASKS, especially in the parts where there is no TBMP, and such, so far, the majority.

      ========
      Actually, WHERE do we have TBMP? Except for those several T-15s, which are now being tested in the troops, it seems like there is nowhere else ...
      And in general, they are unlikely to ever make up the absolute "majority" - too much expensive, heavy, unable to swim ...
      Another thing - "Frame": By not excessively high costs can be obtained by upgrading the T-72 (eh, these on long-term storage bases - USU!
      PS Get well, Alexey!
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 15 February 2021 12: 56
        +1
        ... Actually, WHERE do we have TBMP? Except for those several T-15s, which are now being tested in the troops, it seems like there is nowhere else ...

        Welcome
        hi
        Yeah. Their (TBMP), ahem ... as if also ... NO.))
        There is some experience of chemists with BMOT - a heavy bat with embarkation and disembarkation "a la BMP-3"
        I'm really looking forward to them (TBMP).
        The T-15 is really unique, with their appearance, the Frame will no longer have the tasks that are more than enough where there is a T-72 and BMP-2.
        .
        Well, only if you stick ANOTHER caliber.))
        wink
    2. YOUR
      YOUR 15 February 2021 13: 17
      -1
      Read my comment above.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 15 February 2021 12: 25
    +2
    Quote: YOUR
    Just wondering. Rave screams are great, but as you personally see its use.

    As equipment attached to reinforcements ... Behind tanks, to suppress infantry and AT weapons on light vehicles, on the flanks, fending off the same threats. In urban areas, striking through walls and on the upper floors and roofs ... Well, all sorts of Bradley Terminator one tooth ...
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 15 February 2021 13: 23
      -2
      If there is a tank, Bradley will show whether the nose is in a row. Either a tank or, more likely, a pair of ATGM crews with a firing range exceeding the firing range of BMPT guns will be opposed.
      Chesnslovo somehow childishly all this looks, but Bradley is one tooth for him. By the way, Bradley has something to snap back.
      And tanks do not fight alone. Confirmed once again by Chechnya
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 15 February 2021 13: 32
        0
        Quote: YOUR
        Either a tank or, more likely, a pair of ATGM crews with a firing range exceeding the firing range of BMPT guns will be opposed.

        In modern realities, it will be a kamikaze drone or ATGM from a closed position (from the same Bradley). There is no point in entering the direct fire area.
        Serbian ATGM ALAS, shot and forgot, up to 60 km. Oshkosh with HERO-400 unit, range up to 150 km.




        It is necessary to put an optoelectronic system and radar on the BMPT against air targets. Then it becomes really useful. Something like American IM-SHORAD
    2. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 15 February 2021 19: 30
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter

      As equipment attached to reinforcements ... Behind tanks, to suppress infantry and AT weapons on light vehicles, on the flanks, fending off the same threats.
      And how "Terminator 2" will "work" while FOR TANK...
      Then maybe like this - one MBT + two BMPTs - MBTs in the middle and a little ahead, BMPTs on the sides and a little behind ... In order not to block the MBT firing sector, and BMPTs could block the sector with fire in front of the tank and on the sides of it. And the UAV from above for a view from above ... soldier
  • Grits
    Grits 15 February 2021 16: 28
    -1
    Quote: YOUR
    How do you see its use?
    Just wondering. Rave screams are great, but as you personally see its use.
    A tank platoon of 3 vehicles, in an offensive it operates on a front of 300-500 meters, a company advances to a front up to one and a half km (see Combat Regulations for the preparation and conduct of combined arms combat. Part 2: or part 3: PLATFORM, Squad, TANK, about units and formations we will not talk)
    Where and how do you see the BMPT armored group structure?

    My opinion is that this is precisely why the generals do not want to put this equipment into series only because they will have to redo and rewrite the combat manuals. It's so difficult and dreary ...
  • Hagen
    Hagen 15 February 2021 12: 08
    0
    Quote: Aleks tv
    She has no more critical flaws.

    If the car does not have a system for detecting optical sights, then this whole terminator is just a heavy and expensive cart. The main task of this vehicle is to identify and engage tank-hazardous targets that are invisible to tank systems. I think replacing two 30-to-one 57mm cannons would make the car more interesting. It would (AU-220) easily hit the enemy on the flat roof of a multi-storey building, even through a couple of upper floors.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 15 February 2021 12: 25
      -1
      ... The main task of this vehicle is to identify and engage tank-hazardous targets,

      Good day.

      Here it is - the MAIN MISTAKE.
      This is just ONE OF THE TASKS that this machine can perform.
      The name of BMPT was always twisted ...
      No need to "support" the tank, these are not pants.
      You need to INTERACT with the tank to complete the delivered Combat mission.
      Not to defend Nuna's tank, but to carry out the Order in a SINGLE COMBAT BUILDING, where each combat unit (with the corresponding caliber) has OWN targets in OWN sectors of fire.
      ...
      This is the ABC of the DB.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 15 February 2021 13: 53
        +1
        Quote: Aleks tv
        The name of BMPT was always twisted ...
        No need to "support" the tank, these are not pants.

        What idiots, there, in Tagil and in the Moscow region ?! Well, they do not understand anything in the ABC of the DB! After all, identifying a disguised shooter with Gustav or another Toy is not completing a Combat Mission .. laughing ... So what? Are you political officers? Those, too, called for all "orders" to be carried out .... in a single order. The question arises, why then fence the garden if all means must fulfill the "assigned combat mission"? By the way, did you set these combat missions yourself? How long have you been looking through a tank sight? How fast will you see the grenade launcher? Not target number 9 on a contrasting hillock in the sector 15 - 20 degrees from the main direction, but a real one, in the bushes somewhere on the side or in a hole in the window of some hut, strewn with broken window glass? I think real tankers will say thank you for the instrumental method of identifying such "gifts". But on the Terminator it is not, apparently. And here you are - ABC ... wassat You will also remember about the ban on entering tanks into the city.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 15 February 2021 14: 45
          -1
          Quote: Hagen
          Quote: Aleks tv
          The name of BMPT was always twisted ...
          No need to "support" the tank, these are not pants.

          What idiots, there, in Tagil and in the Moscow region ?! Well, they do not understand anything in the ABC of the DB! After all, identifying a disguised shooter with Gustav or another Toy is not completing a Combat Mission .. laughing ... So what? Are you political officers? Those, too, called for all "orders" to be carried out .... in a single order. The question arises, why then fence the garden if all means must fulfill the "assigned combat mission"? By the way, did you set these combat missions yourself? How long have you been looking through a tank sight? How fast will you see the grenade launcher? Not target number 9 on a contrasting hillock in the sector 15 - 20 degrees from the main direction, but a real one, in the bushes somewhere on the side or in a hole in the window of some hut, strewn with broken window glass? I think real tankers will say thank you for the instrumental method of identifying such "gifts". But on the Terminator it is not, apparently. And here you are - ABC ... wassat You will also remember about the ban on entering tanks into the city.

          Wow, how many labels you gave me ...
          Do you want a polemic?
          No, not interesting.

          Just short:
          1. In N. Tagil it is still called FRAME.
          Why BMPT? The name is catchy, intriguing. We did it right.
          2. In the troops, probably there were more than you, plus 5 business trips to the Caucasus.
          Command staff.
          He worked out the Order in the following priorities:
          A. Maximum safety of soldiers' lives,
          B. Execution of the Order.
          If, on the contrary, they won't follow you. No options.
          I didn’t come up with this - the advice of men from Afgan.
          3. The grenade launcher, indeed, is not fucking visible in the sight. Not in any. Most often, the infantryman is the first to discover him, he also calms him down, or points at him for destruction.
          4. I am a supporter of the use of tanks in the city. The fire group as part of the Assault. I built a Christmas tree.
          5. I am sure that the Frame can save a lot of lives of soldiers when performing BZ, but it does not replace BMP, and even more so "two platoons of fighters".
          .......
          What "magic" sights for BMPT are you talking about that detect optics?
          I am not making jokes, I really wonder if I have forgotten.
          As far as I remember, from your comments, you finished VOKU and served.

          Normal communication is always welcome.
          Anything else - thank you. Not interested.

          Alex.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 15 February 2021 18: 56
            +2
            Quote: Aleks tv
            I didn’t come up with this - the advice of men from Afgan.

            I brought a couple of extra holes in the skin from across the river. Don't heal me. What is "did not see the grenade launcher" I know not by hearsay. The system I spoke about here at VO last fall was discussed. From Shvabe. There, one smart guy lamented that he did not like the design. laughing And at 88 I would give half my life for such a design, if only it worked and in spirit we would see us before they (in sight). True, in fairness, I will note that at that time they fought very widely and successfully without optics request
            https://topwar.ru/174700-holding-shvabe-predstavil-nejtralizator-snajperskoj-optiki.html
            I meant it.
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 15 February 2021 19: 24
              +1
              ... I brought a couple of extra holes in the skin from across the river.

              Then Happy Date to you.
              Today is the withdrawal day.
              Respect.

              ... I meant it.

              Yes, I haven't. I was still in the hospital.
              Thank you.
              Pine-N.
              Something similar happened before, portable, PAPV like ...
              I wonder how it will be on the go, stabilization is clearly needed.
              .....
              Yes, and I have not seen them. My combined arms did not have such toys ...
              Here, the tank commander has been dreaming of a normal sight for 30 years ...
              Unfortunately, it is hard to believe that optical detectors will appear in the troops on the equipment in the near future ...
              Although yes, it would be great.
              Eheh.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 15 February 2021 20: 28
                +2
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Then Happy Date to you.
                Today is the withdrawal day.

                Thank you, colleague !!!
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Here, the tank commander has been dreaming of a normal sight for 30 years ...

                That's the problem. In armor, whatever the optics, one feature is disgusting visibility. So the commander sits on the armor in the hope of "perhaps the first by." I remember in the early 80s, back at the school, they showed us a training film, how the states calculated the combat effectiveness of the Cobra against tanks using laser imitators of a shot. If something similar was used in Chebarkul (and we also have this), then it would be very interesting to look at the final document based on the results of testing units at BMPT.
  • venik
    venik 15 February 2021 12: 30
    +2
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Projectile resistance DUM.
    She has no more critical flaws.

    =========
    It would also be very nice if they finally "brought" 30-mm shells with remote detonation ... Against infantry formations - the very thing that the doctor ordered! Yes, and against any small flying punks - too ...
  • hohohol
    hohohol 15 February 2021 20: 58
    0
    And change the name. What is it, "Terminator"? Would have called it something in our wise, for example, "Crossbar". Let the enemy break his brains in thought.
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 15 February 2021 11: 24
    +7
    Quote: Aleks tv

    It's time to formulate your impressions of it in an article.

    Make out hi in my opinion - the car is necessary! As for Chechnya, I can say that it was often the “small” calibers that were lacking, especially in buildings and greenery. Why are the performance characteristics not given in the article ??? Here ...
    The armament includes two automatic 30-mm 2A42 cannons, the firing range of which with conventional ammunition is up to 4 km and up to 2,5 km with armor-piercing, four Ataka-T anti-tank missile systems with laser guidance and one coaxial heavy machine gun.
    Terminator-2 has both anti-tank and anti-personnel versions of Attack missiles. The range of the missiles is up to 6 km, they fly at a supersonic speed of 550 m / s, and can hit low-flying air targets moving at speeds up to 400 km / h.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 15 February 2021 11: 33
      +8
      ... As for Chechnya, I can say that there was often a lack of “small” calibers, especially in buildings and greenery.

      Hello.

      Absolutely.
      In most operations, we would find a use for it.
      yes
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 16 February 2021 07: 45
        0
        Quote: Aleks tv
        In most operations, we would find a use for it.

        Molotov cocktails were also used, and quite widely all over the world, but this does not mean at all that there is no better one ... So it is here.
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 15 February 2021 12: 12
      +5
      Good time, Aleksey. There were enough calibers, there was not enough protection and guidance angle. You can't bring the twin close, but only "Shilka" in the corner, although the same profile and fragmentation BP are absent in protection ... But at the expense of the machine gun you made a mistake - PKT 7,62, XNUMX. plus AGS.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 15 February 2021 12: 22
        +3
        And I greet you hi Not on terminator 2 - AGS.
        About enough - not enough, you can debate endlessly. For me - it was definitely not enough. The use of "Shilok" is a forced measure, it is not her job.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 15 February 2021 12: 29
          +2
          Agree laughing We didn't have our own armor at all. Pakemon zadr ... yes zushka in the Urals.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 15 February 2021 12: 38
            +1
            Quote: zadorin1974
            Agree laughing We didn't have our own armor at all. Pakemon zadr ... yes zushka in the Urals.

            Hello.
            hi
            Tachanka ???))
            wink
            Yeah, everyone was fond of them, most of all I saw them, I think in the 74th ..
            And for the commandants, this machine was almost the most beloved wife.
            laughing
            Urus-Martan pads))
        2. Old tanker
          Old tanker 15 February 2021 12: 30
          +1
          Terminators delivered to the 90th division have 2 AGs installed. Look carefully at the photo.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 15 February 2021 12: 38
            +1
            Sergei hi I don't know who and where took this photo and why he attached it to this article request about weapons can be read in all available sources, including on the VO (article of 8). AGS is absent there! They are only available on the basic version of the Terminator.
            The level of protection and firepower of the new infantry fighting vehicle in comparison with the original "Terminator" remained at about the same level. Perhaps, the rejection of automatic grenade launchers can badly affect the fighting qualities. However, this decision was made in connection with the simplification of design and production. Probably, the absence of two grenade launchers will not be able to alienate potential customers. It is worth recalling that in numerous discussions of the BMPT vehicle, doubts were often expressed about the advisability of installing two automatic grenade launchers, which should be controlled by individual crew members. Complaints from specialists and people interested in military equipment related to both the quantitative aspects of the crew and the combat effectiveness of grenade launchers with limited aiming angles. (C)
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker 15 February 2021 12: 46
              0
              I repeat. Look at the photos and videos of the BMPT supplied to the 90th division. Them in the vastness of the Internet sea. And not just in the photo in this article. Including on the Zvezda TV channel. And you will understand that you are wrong.

              Here are detailed photos from the same resource: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4200849.html

              Here in the "Red Star". http://redstar.ru/bronyu-porvyot-za-nashi-tanki/
              AIF: https://aif.ru/society/army/partiya_iz_8_bmpt_terminator_postupila_v_uralskuyu_tankovuyu_diviziyu_cvo

              Pay attention to the railway gauge sign on all photos. That is, all these photos are not from the plant's landfill.
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            3. Old tanker
              Old tanker 15 February 2021 13: 09
              +1
              And here is the specific material of 1 channel.
              with a description of the zamkomdiv and a video delivered in 90 cars.

              https://www.1tv.ru/news/2020-12-01/397711-v_chelyabinskoy_oblasti_proshli_pervye_trenirovki_s_uchastiem_boevyh_mashin_podderzhki_tankov_terminator
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 15 February 2021 11: 24
    +2
    Three hundred Terminators for Algeria is not a "mess", how many they can crumble a Taiot in the Sahara! Three hundred is a "box" of 15 × 20 cars, such a good "hedgehog" turns out. fellow
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 15 February 2021 12: 21
      +3
      There is nothing wrong with the contract. In May we received simulators, now the first 60 machines. The French confirm and moan loudly about this. It seems like their zone of influence.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 15 February 2021 12: 28
        0
        Once upon a time, let the Arabs look as if the Louvre with the Eiffel Tower did not wrestle, the last French. In the 80s in the collection of France there was only one black Tigana, but now that.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 15 February 2021 12: 33
          +2
          And now tolerance))))))
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 15 February 2021 13: 01
            0
            Quote: zadorin1974
            And now tolerance))))))

            And with all this attitude towards blacks, the Wehrmacht army still had military units in which blacks served. Corps F was such a unit. It included not only blacks from Sudan and Senegal, but also Arabs, Indians, Persians. They fought for Hitler's Germany. Most often, these units fought in the deserts of Africa.

            These people sided with the Nazis because the Germans fought against the British. Corps F in 1942 was transferred to Russia. This was stunned not only by the Soviet soldiers, but also by the Germans themselves. The African unit was commanded by German officers who knew several languages. This corps fought near Astrakhan and near Rostov-on-Don. There were about 6 thousand soldiers in it. The Germans believed that as soon as they succeeded in seizing Muslim lands in the USSR, many residents would go over to their side. Corps F fought alongside two Cossack regiments of the Wehrmacht.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 15 February 2021 13: 23
              +1
              Thank you, I know, others were enlightened. We recruited against England, and they ended up with us.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 15 February 2021 13: 26
                -2
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Thank you, I know, others were enlightened. We recruited against England, and they ended up with us.

                I in Egypt talked with Arab youth, they have tattoos with a swastika, I asked - "what is it for"? They say the grandfathers fought with the British.
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 15 February 2021 15: 49
                  +1
                  Yes, many were insolently annoyed, so the east was divided that is still blazing.
            2. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 15 February 2021 17: 07
              +1
              Greetings RUSS. I read about him. A group hodgepodge, under the command of General from Aviation Felmi. According to Hitler's idea, after the conquest of the Caucasus, he was supposed to march victoriously across Iran and Iraq to Basra. In principle, he was not badly equipped with weapons, but fell under the pressure of our In addition to the Cossack regiments, the so-called eastern legions were also noted there, and not only in the Caucasus, but also at Stalingrad ... A lot of these traitors after the Victory, having delayed a dozen, lived quietly until old age, and after the disaster they also shook the Germans' pension .Everyone says that Stalin was a tyrant and a murderer, somehow, in my opinion, he did not work much.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 15 February 2021 11: 52
    +6
    Shaw, again?
    Is there a club of fans of news about the "terminator"?
    More precisely, there is only one news, but it has been posted here many times.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 15 February 2021 12: 00
      +5
      So someone on VO is lobbying for the Terminator!
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 15 February 2021 13: 02
        0
        Quote: tralflot1832
        So someone on VO is lobbying for the Terminator!

        Hollywood
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 15 February 2021 13: 06
          0
          Do we have such a user on VO with the same name?
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 15 February 2021 13: 08
            0
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Do we have such a user on VO with the same name?

            James Cameron))))
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 15 February 2021 13: 20
              +1
              The movie is not preparing. Terminator in the Sahara, the battle for water!
  • Strashila
    Strashila 15 February 2021 12: 44
    +4
    It took too long to get to the army.
    The concept itself is not bad, but the needs have changed.
    A pair of 30 mm in its pure form is not enough, 57 mm + 30 mm begs
    In fact, an open weapon platform is not good.
    There is no way to install at least dynamic protection on it.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 February 2021 13: 00
    +2
    As it seems to me, they won't. For machines appeared. which cover this niche.
    Yes, for its time, the machine was super-duper. But now it’s not the same.
    Alternatively, they will produce it on the market in other countries.
    1. Ryaruav
      Ryaruav 15 February 2021 18: 27
      0
      what kind of products cover the BMPT niche
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 15 February 2021 13: 55
    +1
    In this news, the most joyful thing is that Algeria has already ordered 300 pieces
  • Cananecat
    Cananecat 15 February 2021 15: 27
    +2
    Wow, what a controversy ensued ... what I like about VO, when the opinions of the experienced clash.
    Five kopecks to your rubles from me, gentlemen officers.
    I understand perfectly well that regulations are written in blood. Do you remember the 08.08 war? Are both Chechens? And remind me when the military regulations were changed in the Second World War and in this connection. And the Syrian theater of operations? Isn't it time to change the BU, or at least make additions in accordance with the realities of our days? Working in the field is one thing, working in the mountains or in the city is another ...
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 15 February 2021 16: 04
      +1
      Believe me, combat regulations are constantly changing. And how quickly they changed during the time of the Makarov General Staff, after the Serdyukov breakdown of the Armed Forces. They did not have time to study. You see, there are different sections and chapters in the Combat Manuals. For example the offensive section. And it started: Offensive in the absence of contact with the enemy, offensive from direct contact with the enemy, offensive in special conditions, offensive in the city, etc. And how many manuals on the conduct of hostilities come out based on modern experience. Including on the conduct of hostilities in an internal armed conflict. And to combat irregular formations. So the documents regulating the procedure for conducting hostilities are not age-old tablets for all times, but very flexible documents. And the number of experimental exercises in the troops has increased significantly recently.
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 15 February 2021 17: 24
        +1
        Thanks for the detailed answer. hi
  • 123456789
    123456789 15 February 2021 17: 27
    0

    BMPT "Terminator".
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 15 February 2021 18: 23
    -1
    against the background of the lack of modern tanks in the Russian army, these vehicles are very much needed
  • Anton 17
    Anton 17 16 February 2021 08: 05
    0
    First line of attack to suppress the first line of defense.