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For the holiday - with a tear in his eye and with pride in his heart

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I am writing, one might say, about nothing. Happy New Year - so it is for everyone Happy New Year. Now try to ask on the street - “What holiday is February 15?” I'm afraid the most important answer will be: “Hangover after Valentine's Day. It's good that, even as in the early 90s, they don't spit in the face with the words: "I put on here, grandfathers ...." And that was ...

A small digression from the main topic. I found out about Valentine's Day in 1981, and then only because I was studying English. I would have studied French - and I would not know anything about February 14, except that I managed to be born that day.

For those who don’t know, I’ll explain - this is the day the GSVA is taken home. And General Gromov, with all due respect, walked across the bridge. And he said what had to be said. Mikhail Gorbachev received from the West those nishtyaks that allowed him to hold out on "legs" for a couple of years in order to calmly rest on the laurels of a Soviet pension, the Nobel Prize for the sale of CMEA and royalties from fast food advertising.

We left Afgan with a broken face. But a broken face is not a sign of failure. This is not MMA. We fought honestly, for the Motherland, and from the very first operation - the storming of Amin's palace and up to Magistral, we fought ..

What can we blame on February 15th? That you didn't finish the job? That they left everything and left, that it looked like not leaving, but fleeing? So it is not our fault - those who jumped from the Mi-8 "on heights", who went on "nalivnyak", who went to the "free exit". And the boys were sent to the Union, and there was a lot ...

We were shuravi. Yes, they shot at us, but going out to the market for cigarettes or meat to eat with us did not turn into some kind of special operation with the use of armored vehicles. We didn’t seem to be at home, but we weren’t afraid. Not near me, not in the mountains. Because We fought for our homeland... For the safety of the southern borders of our Motherland - and this was not an empty phrase at political studies. ...

This is a little, to put it mildly, what, for example, Puerto Ricans in the US Army are fighting for - for the "green card". Or for what the WASPs are fighting for - rent benefits and a college admission bonus.

For "today's" young liberals, who do not distinguish RPGs from the PKK, this war is our Soviet shame. For us who have gone through Kandahar, Khost, Salang, Jalalabad is a war in which we were NOT allowed to WIN thanks to the "peacekeeping initiatives" of Mikhail Sergeevich. I don’t think that on their own initiative any of our people would have stayed there - only those whose brains were “turned” to war. They don't care with whom and when - just to fight. But there weren't many of them and they were kept mainly in Tashkent ..

And we didn't lose there - we won. AND история it proves.
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  1. Poetry
    Poetry 15 February 2021 05: 47
    +30
    Posthumously.

    Bullets will whistle with someone nearby.
    His faith in God will become stronger ...
    The relatives of those killed by the funeral will be notified,
    They will write about courage, a sense of duty.

    So they say and so: ".. April tenth
    Your son, corporal of the parachute regiment
    Alone for a long time
    Deflected enemy attacks using a PC.

    Even the wounded did not leave the battle,
    The soldier of the enemy, he put innumerable.
    For this courage worthy of a hero,
    "Red Star" to him (posthumously).

    They will write, they say, thanks for the soldier.
    He will be like a model of courage to everyone.
    Military unit commander, rank, signature, date. "
    Blurred tears all the prints on the paper ...

    A letter fell from a mother's hands,
    From the hands of my mother, who has aged instantly.
    With a terrible roar, she suddenly roared,
    The meaning of the phrases penetrated her heart.

    The support collapsed! Hope died.
    The earthly firmament disappeared from under my feet.
    In the fabrics of the mirrors. Black clothes.
    A photograph of a son. Funeral wreath.

    "Look, with a kind smile he is in the picture ...
    I liked this one more than anyone else.
    What will I say to his fiancee Ninka? ..
    Do not go crazy to me, God help me! "

    Mothers who did not wait for the soldiers
    I will beat off my low bow to the earth.
    To the mothers of those who did not return back,
    Who, by the will of Fates, fell killed in battle ...
    2016 Kingisepp
    S.N.Smirnov-Vyatsky.
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 15 February 2021 06: 08
      +25

      And we didn't lose there - we won. And history proves it.
      1. Poetry
        Poetry 15 February 2021 06: 11
        +27
        Bowing down to the soldiers, sergeants, officers and warrant officers who were "beyond the river" in the 40th A. Everyone. Alive and dead.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 15 February 2021 13: 14
          +14
          Good article! I fully share and support the position of the author - a Soviet soldier-Afghan!

          Let the eternal flame of memory of the defenders of our Soviet Motherland who did not return from the war never go out!

        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 17 February 2021 00: 08
          +4
          Bowing down to everyone.
      2. Civil
        Civil 15 February 2021 06: 55
        +26
        Glory to the Soviet soldier-internationalists! Honor to those who served the USSR and do not serve the oligarchs.
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin 15 February 2021 09: 54
          +19
          ETERNAL GLORY TO HEROES OF AFGHAN! AND ETERNAL MEMORY OF THE FALLEN!
          It is not their fault that politicians were unable to solve their problems, and then they simply passed them.
      3. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 15 February 2021 08: 03
        +16
        Quote: Destiny
        And we didn't lose there - we won. And history proves it.

        Gone undefeated
        1. Flashpoint
          Flashpoint 15 February 2021 16: 48
          +3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Destiny
          And we didn't lose there - we won. And history proves it.

          Gone undefeated

          Sergey, why is Abrams depicted on the poster? ...
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    2. Finches
      Finches 15 February 2021 07: 59
      +14
      "Afghanistan, Moldova and now Chechnya Left the pain of loss on my heart ..." Winning is a fact! Correct article! But the Soviet soldier and officer won, and the Soviet politicians, Gorbachev, Shevardnadze ..., sold everything ...
    3. Clear
      Clear 15 February 2021 09: 41
      +14
      Just, guys, with a memorable date to you! Health to you! Take care of yourself.
      And, about traitors, no matter what surnames they carry, today we will not grieve your memory!
    4. Alien From
      Alien From 15 February 2021 13: 11
      +9
      I join in silence! Thanks for the article Zoldat_A.
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 15 February 2021 05: 50
    +15
    And we didn't lose there - we won. And history proves it.
    Right.
    1. RealPilot
      RealPilot 15 February 2021 05: 56
      +14
      Yes, a touching article.
      I bow my head.
      You won!
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 15 February 2021 06: 07
    +19
    "We left Afgan with a broken face," as the people say, for one beaten, two not beaten people give.
    If the author thinks that ours is still in the face, then there is no denying that these "beaten" were allowed to "stuff" by orders of magnitude more than any "freedom fighters".
    Do not betray Gorby, President Najibulu, by this nullifying the achievements of the USSR in Afghanistan, the world might have been different.
  4. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 15 February 2021 06: 12
    +15
    It's good that even at the beginning of the 90s, they don't spit in the face with the words: "I put on here, grandfathers ...."
    In Buryatia, this has never happened, we have a lot of "Afghans", but there are fewer fools. All shuravi with this memorable date!
  5. tasha
    tasha 15 February 2021 06: 57
    +4
    The soldiers and officers of the OKSVA have done their duty. Each of them is worthy of respect. They all fought their little war and emerged victorious from it.
    For us who have gone through Kandahar, Khost, Salang, Jalalabad is a war in which we were NOT allowed to WIN thanks to the "peacekeeping initiatives" of Mikhail Sergeevich.
    Author, what for you personally would be a sign of the USSR victory in Afghanistan? For what purposes did the troops enter there and which of the intended goals were achieved? It is from the point of view of the state ...
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 15 February 2021 07: 17
    +15
    We left Afgan with a broken face.

    Well I do not know...
    I talked more than once with the participants, there was no "broken". We went out in an organized way. And in the last years of the company, it was defeated by the enemy, moreover, it was completely defeated ...
    All veterans of that war, bows and good health.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 February 2021 07: 44
      0
      Quote: Doccor18
      I talked more than once with the participants,

      Yeah, I also talked more than once:
      "Vovan, what were we doing there?"
      Quote: Doccor18
      And in recent years, the company was defeated by the enemy

      Yeah, Dostum didn't give a damn about us and began to share sand with Shah Massud.
      1. Walking
        Walking 15 February 2021 12: 22
        +1
        Quote: mordvin xnumx

        began to share sand with Shah Masud.

        It was interesting to meet with Ahmad Shah Massoud in the 90s.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 February 2021 13: 30
          -1
          Quote: Hiking
          It was interesting to meet with Ahmad Shah Massoud in the 90s.

          Not understood. You met? For his head off guaranteed a hero was given.
          1. Walking
            Walking 16 February 2021 06: 27
            +2
            It was during the Northern Alliance not long before the death of Ahmad Shah. In 87-88, when he was undergoing an emergency, he took part in operations in the Panjir gorge, but never met with Masud.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 February 2021 13: 25
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      I talked more than once with the participants, there was no "broken".
      I don't understand why the author thinks so. We in Afghanistan controlled all strategic cities and roads. And the attacker on us always received a musals.

      Quote: Mordvin 3
      Yeah, I also talked more than once: "Vovan, what were we doing there?"
      As one officer told me: "We will not be here - there will be Americans, but why do we need another base of them, moreover, at our underbelly?" What happened later, after the withdrawal of our troops + the flow of drugs to our country from Afghanistan increased 60-fold.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 15 February 2021 16: 35
        +3
        Quote: Bad_gr
        after the withdrawal of our troops + the flow of drugs to our country from Afghanistan increased 60-fold.

        By the way, heroin has disappeared somewhere for 10 years, now young people are sitting on mephedrone.
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 15 February 2021 18: 04
          0
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          Quote: Bad_gr
          after the withdrawal of our troops + the flow of drugs to our country from Afghanistan increased 60-fold.

          By the way, heroin has disappeared somewhere for 10 years, now young people are sitting on mephedrone.

          Gera did not disappear - in Norilsk he ... in Kamchatka and in Magadan ...
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 15 February 2021 18: 30
            0
            In the Volga Federal District, heroin disappeared, or the people became impoverished, or a combination of factors.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 15 February 2021 22: 52
              +1
              Quote: Bashkirkhan
              In the Volga Federal District, heroin disappeared, or the people became impoverished, or a combination of factors.

              Now you can shanti or accelerate, and not hang on indifference. No demand laughing
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 16 February 2021 00: 07
                +1
                shanti or accelerate, and not hang on indifference. No demand
                I once read the chat of drugs - they say there is no gloomy. If there is, there is only a smell from it. Putin is blamed and injected with methadone; underground chemists are brewing him.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 16 February 2021 00: 14
                  0
                  As for methadone, the state issues it to drug addicts in Israel, making special programs to gradually reduce the dosage))
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 16 February 2021 00: 22
                    +2
                    Even in Ukraine and China, his drug addicts are given, but they usually do not want to reduce the dosage, they catch up with pills or barn poison. And illegal-racemic-methadone is much more euphoric (in addition, it is suitable for BB), while on the programs they give the l-isomer in syrup so that the patient does not coumaril. By the way, quitting it is unrealistic - breaking often lasts about one and a half months wassat
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 16 February 2021 00: 23
                      +1
                      Like that ))
      2. Zoldat_A
        25 February 2021 01: 58
        0
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Quote: Doccor18
        I talked more than once with the participants, there was no "broken".
        I also do not understand why the author thinks so.

        I will answer in your face, Vladimir, to everyone who is wondering why I said so.
        Because we were not allowed to finish our job to the end. If we had completed our work, after us Najibulla would not have been torn apart like a kitten, there would have been no “Masuds”, those who shot at us would not have taken power and would not be sitting like cockroaches under the baseboard, the Americans in the bases.

        And so ... There is a taste of blood from your own broken lip in your mouth, but there is no feeling of Victory ... There is a sense of honestly performed work, but there is no Victory, the joy of Victory.

        Actually, somewhere like this ...
  7. robinson
    robinson 15 February 2021 07: 21
    +14
    Quote: tasha
    Author, what for you personally would be a sign of the USSR victory in Afghanistan? For what purposes did the troops enter there and which of the intended goals were achieved? It is from the point of view of the state ...

    I am certainly not the author, but I will undertake to answer. We came there to put "to put my boyfriend" in power. What has been successfully done, if someone has forgotten, Duc power of "OUR" Najibula survived the USSR, and if it were not for Yeltsin's betrayal, everything could have been quite different. It is quite possible that such mountainous Vietnam would be. Something like this.
    1. tasha
      tasha 15 February 2021 08: 20
      +5
      In order to "put our boyfriend" Babrak Karmal, we had enough of group A and the "Muslim" battalion.
      1. robinson
        robinson 15 February 2021 09: 06
        +13
        Simplification is the mother of all mistakes. Our special forces removed Amin, he was still a ghoul. Further, a titanic work was carried out, the results of which from the term "shurovi" to a decrease in infant mortality to bringing the position of women to a normal state, and this gave a result. The fact that later these efforts were merged is a different story, not only the efforts in Afghanistan were merged, many things were merged.
  8. KONST.RU
    KONST.RU 15 February 2021 07: 24
    +6
    I was small in the 80s, but two zinc in my memory will remain forever. Tokarev from Izhevsk and Fedulov st. Luga. Everlasting memory!
  9. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 15 February 2021 07: 25
    +6
    Puerto Ricans in the US Army - for the "green card"
    They haven't needed green cards since 1917.
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 15 February 2021 07: 34
    +6
    Thank you guys, at 80 -81 a coffin with a neighbor's son came from there. Eternal memory to the dead, we will not forget your feat. There were three friends of the Red Star forge at sea, never when they did not tell about the battles, only "they remembered jokes!"
    1. Podvodnik
      Podvodnik 15 February 2021 18: 17
      +2
      when they didn't talk about the battles, they only "remembered jokes"!


      Those who fought do not like to remember this. War is pain, fear, death of friends. As a child, I tried to talk with my grandfather about the war. "Grandpa, did you kill many Germans?" Laughed it off. He also recalled all sorts of funny cases.
      "Have you seen German tanks?" He answered: "I saw them. Scary granddaughters, rushing, blurting out caterpillars ...."

      Eternal memory to those who did not return.
  11. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 15 February 2021 07: 37
    +12
    Happy Victory, men!
    With your Victory, Afghans. With your Victory, Soldier_A.

    When it was bad in the Caucasus, they remembered you.
    You were an example, a real example. Thank you for everything.
    And the war .... It will always live in our gut ... Always.

    Military Greetings.

    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 February 2021 11: 30
      +6
      Quote: Aleks tv
      With your Victory, Afghans. With your Victory, Soldier_A.
  12. Million
    Million 15 February 2021 07: 40
    +11
    I disagree about the broken face. We left in accordance with the order.
    Without shame.
    1. Zoldat_A
      25 February 2021 02: 08
      +1
      Quote: Million
      I disagree about the broken face. We left in accordance with the order.
      Without shame.

      I have already explained above - I'm not talking about shame. I'm talking about the fact that they did not give the case to the end. Who sent us there in 79th, betrayed us in 89th. And for the fact that we were there - for example, I am not ashamed. And to everyone I know, too.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 15 February 2021 07: 49
    +5
    WE Fought FOR THE HOMELAND.

    and not only there! We need to stop there once and for all.
  14. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 15 February 2021 08: 20
    +4
    Don't tell me about liberals, my head starts spinning and I start to express myself in uncivilized words. Well done guys - they did their duty.
  15. Sayan
    Sayan 15 February 2021 09: 12
    +5
    I don’t know how about a hangover after a day of loving homosexuals, who is sick there or not, but tomorrow I’ll definitely have a hangover - the 15th for me is
    1) - birthday
    2) - the day of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from the DRA
    3) - meeting the Lord
    I don’t think that our people came out with a broken face, they fought with dignity. I have the honor to know several people who have passed through Afghanistan - great men! One of them will come to visit me today, so we will gurgle a lot today)!
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 15 February 2021 09: 27
    +7

    I never thought that it was possible to question the feat of our people in the Second World War, but it turns out it is possible. And our war will be forgotten and we will be kicked, in a terrible time we live
  17. Constanty
    Constanty 15 February 2021 09: 38
    +4
    a war in which we were NOT GIVEN TO WIN thanks to the "peacekeeping initiatives" of Mikhail Sergeevich


    With all the respect that belongs to all soldiers fighting for the Motherland, I do not think that victory in this war is possible.

    And it's not about the General Secretary of Gorbachev and his activities.

    This is Afghanistan - practically no one has won here, starting with Alexander the Great.

    The USSR fought in Afghanistan, but not with the Afghans themselves - to a large extent it fought the US, which generously supported the Islamists with weapons, money, or even people - which was very short-sighted thinking because they raised the enemy with their own money.

    Now the United States and other countries with a huge technological advantage cannot win either - they have taken over the country, but this is a Pyrrhic victory. An introduction to failure.

    It is impossible to win in Afghanistan
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 15 February 2021 11: 02
      +6
      Perhaps. And we won. We were there, and there were no mattress mats (except for the CIA residents). And they changed life, in the likeness of our Central Asia, in the cities of Afgan. This is already an achievement. Part of the Afghans have become allies and this is an achievement. Just think about it, the Afghans are confederates of the infidels! This means that it was possible to overcome the fanatical hatred of the white scattering, the Soviet people became understandable and close in spirit for them. It will not be enough to change the deep-seated Afghan for a century, as the Soviet power failed to change the mentality of the villages of Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. It was not there even before the collapse That is how the buy-dekhkans lived. Only the buy was called the chairman.
      1. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp 15 February 2021 16: 26
        0
        Quote: Essex62
        So we managed to overcome the fanatical hatred for the white scatter

        All Afghans are a WHITE race, Tajiks are generally Aryans.
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 15 February 2021 16: 47
          +1
          I admit, I did not formulate it correctly. Let's just say, hatred of the Gentiles.
          1. Ua3qhp
            Ua3qhp 15 February 2021 17: 04
            -1
            Rather, to strangers who came to their home without asking.
            They are just like us. The same stubborn.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 15 February 2021 17: 42
              +2
              There was demand, and that's why they came. And everywhere I had to go. And in geyrope, and missiles from Cuba not to remove, so that the flight time is seconds, that the Masons by the throat. It would be a completely different world. problematic.
              1. Ua3qhp
                Ua3qhp 15 February 2021 18: 06
                -1
                The fact of the matter is that there was no demand.
                Rendering assistance to nobody knows who and why.
                I think. what an option - We came to include Afghanistan in the Secular Union, with the appropriate ideological processing would have been much bloodless.
                1. cat Rusich
                  cat Rusich 15 February 2021 22: 31
                  -2
                  Quote: Ua3qhp
                  option - We came to include Afghanistan in the Secular Union, with the appropriate ideological processing would have passed much bloodless.
                  First, US (USSR) needs to answer to SELF (people of the USSR) why they entered Afghanistan ...
                  Install Soviet power... Then the METHODS should be appropriate ... What? - How did they install Soviet power in the Tambov region in 1920-21 ... (how the "Antonovshchina" was liquidated, what decrees were issued to defeat the uprising - read in Wikipedia). You can also remember how they installed Soviet power on Don ... - SHOWING - In Russia Soviet power installed by the following METHODS. Maybe in Afghanistan Soviet power install by the same METHODS ???
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 17 February 2021 17: 29
                    0
                    How else could it be installed? The country was divided into reds and whites, not conditionally, but very much even, really: brother to brother, son to father, wife to husband a bullet in the forehead because he is a gold digger, and a gold digger orders his daughter-commissar to hang ... What do you want to say ? Yes, in the Tambov region and on the Don there were its real enemies, the Soviet power won in a tough fight, because it crushed the backyard private trader and was close to the bulk of the people. For me personally, this is pain. Tambov, peasant roots. Only there was no choice, either a new state of free people or again a master, bourgeois on the neck.
                    No one was going to accept Afghan into the USSR, there was enough of its uncontrolled Central Asia. Strategic, military tasks in the confrontation with the bourgeois west were solved by the USSR. The marked traitor has leaked everything. And the methods there were very tough. Anti-partisan actions, you know, are harsh.
                    1. Bad_gr
                      Bad_gr 17 February 2021 21: 13
                      0
                      Quote: Essex62
                      Only there was no choice, either a new state of free people or again a gentleman, a bourgeois on the neck.

                      Say "bourgeois on your neck" ... Does "manager on your neck" sound better? My grandfather said that for the season they were hired by the master and he paid well. Such side jobs + what the family earned (carpenters, saddlers, etc.) - they collected money to buy a house. It is often heard now that the employer pays well?
                      1. Essex62
                        Essex62 18 February 2021 11: 19
                        0
                        So the manager is a bourgeois, because he is enriched, he replenishes the money for another bourgeois-aligarh. Only the state should provide work and strictly monitor the impossibility of this personal enrichment. A piece of the common pie should go to everyone, and it is finite in size. That's when the robots will work hard and then sip everyone with a full spoon.
                    2. cat Rusich
                      cat Rusich 17 February 2021 23: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Essex62
                      , wife to husband a bullet in the forehead because he is a GOLDEN, and the goldsmith orders his daughter-commissar to hang ....
                      Marshal I. V. Staoin
                      Marshal I. V. Stalin
                      Marshal G.K. Zhukov
                      Marshal G.K. Zhukov.
                      Marshal K. E. Voroshilov
                      Marshal K. E. Voroshilov.
                      Marshal K. K. Rokossovsky
                      Marshal K.K.Rokossovsky.
                      Marshal S.K. Timoshenko
                      Marshal S.K. Timoshenko.
                      They all fought in the Civil War of 1918-21 against the GOLDERS ... and then put on GOLDEN RACES... Just a fact from the history of Russia. hi
                      1. Essex62
                        Essex62 18 February 2021 11: 22
                        0
                        So what? They are communists, that says it all. During the active part of the GW, the gold digger is an enemy. That royal and bourgeois goldsmith.
  18. tank66
    tank66 15 February 2021 10: 56
    +10
    Hobasti Jorasti! Shuravi control congratulations ...
    No broken faces / ours / is the first.
    We were not given the task of defeating anyone. We would have put it - the Pamir would have been leveled / hunting, of course, I exaggerate /
    Che-that in different kinah does not show me how they threw flowers under the t-62 tracks at the entrance to the villages.
    and the lope of Russian women came to cry - like, b "" "b, waited, you fool - married an Afghan
    engineer in the Union, and then tired of wrapping up in Muslim veils ... and how children fought in blood for a loaf
    stale bread until you scatter them and explain - that there are 3 Kamaz trucks with flour and rice behind them ...
    And you need to know the history, and not the words of the actor Serebryakov / Canadian / from the film 9-company - before the British, Afghan was trampled by whoever wanted ...
    Right now I will drink to the toast of Rasul Gamzatov: let it be good for good people, and very bad for all bad! All health!
    1. tank66
      tank66 15 February 2021 15: 37
      +3
      good songs in the subject
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3VBy1Ispjw
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBfAx0mBY3Y
  19. Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 15 February 2021 11: 19
    +8
    I carefully read the article and comments Immediately, so that there were no questions 1983-1986 Kabul You can write a lot about that war, about the heroism of our guys But we must never forget Afghanistan I never conquered anyone Who served, knows Poly-Khumri But there lies the English expeditionary force It is impossible to defeat the people who are waging a guerrilla war against you The events of the Second World War confirm this Thesis about the protection of the southern frontier very controversial Afghanistan traditionally adheres to a policy of neutrality, and in 1921 one of the first recognized the Soviet Republic I don’t know, the memory is alive, although it becomes I hardly remember about the wound, about the army jokes, to the smallest details How they left, I don't know, I have already served in another place But I know that I fought with dignity Today I will raise a stack for memory Happy holiday, Shuravi
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 February 2021 18: 25
      +3
      Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
      Afghanistan Never obeyed anyone

      There is nothing to conquer in Afghanistan. It was a prosperous country when it stood at the crossroads to India and China. Now this country is no longer a hub of strategic roads, but more and there is nothing there except poverty, disease (typhus, hepatitis, fever, etc.) and a bunch of tribes that have fought among themselves and with newcomers all their lives. There is nothing to conquer there, so no one stayed there for a long time.
      1. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 17 February 2021 10: 49
        0
        You were there? You know? Hepatitis, typhoid, mostly ours were sick The locals did not have enough of this infection And about the fact that no one needs it, this is a controversial issue Two English expeditionary corps lie there Another question that it has not been studied, yes And about intertribal relations, you are not quite right We fought and with Dostum and with Akhmat Shah, and this, as different tribes know, they had one goal, what do you think?
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 17 February 2021 11: 50
          0
          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          You were there? You know?
          Yes, I was. 1983-1985 (Andropov times).
          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          Hepatitis, typhoid, it was mainly ours who were sick Local, this infection was not enough
          ... Where does this information come from? You only saw those who survived, and even then, a man in his 40s, more often than not, looked all 60 years old.
          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          .... yes. And about inter-tribal relations, you are not entirely right. We fought with Dostum and with Akhmat Shah, and this, as you know, different tribes had the same goal, what do you think?
          A temporary alliance against a common enemy. For the first year, I practically did not climb out of business trips (I traveled from Kabul), so I talked enough with our units and with the locals when I had to deal with them (for example, when I electrified one of the schools), so I know what I'm talking about.
          1. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 17 February 2021 17: 34
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            You can ask where you served. We were there at the same time
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 17 February 2021 17: 46
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              Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
              You can ask where you served

              I was listed in the security battalion of the Army headquarters, the report card was led by KECh (where I was listed as an electrician), KEO sent on business trips (measurements of lightning protection at artillery warehouses, installation and repair of diesel power plants, etc.). This is 1983-1984. Then he quarreled with his superiors and was exiled to Fayzobad, where business trips were mainly in the district (Baharak, Kishim), but Kunduz and Kabul also happened.
              The top photo (see reported February 15, 2021 18:33) is just Baharak (mountainous area of ​​Ardar, if my memory serves me right)
              Same area
              1. Sergey Nikiforov
                Sergey Nikiforov 18 February 2021 09: 55
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                Kach, this is the one right behind the 2nd checkpoint, if you leave the headquarters.? If yes, then I have pleasant memories with this office - Dasha, from Ukraine Was young, single Well, you know, Although we rarely spoke, all business trips
                1. Bad_gr
                  Bad_gr 18 February 2021 11: 17
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                  Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
                  Kach, this is the one right behind the 2nd checkpoint, if you leave the headquarters.?
                  Not far from the checkpoint (I don't remember the number),
                  In the photo is the Cafe (on the left), above it (if you look at the photo, then on the right) is the dining room, and even higher was our living module.
                  1. Sergey Nikiforov
                    Sergey Nikiforov 18 February 2021 11: 23
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                    Well, where was your module, I represent Iksfa well I remember Near the bookstore And my good friend lived in the KECh itself, this is behind the checkpoint of the 2nd checkpoint, the first checkpoint is only for cars directly from the army headquarters, there was also a helicopter platform And my unit was in apple orchard, behind the topographers US Pomp, have you heard? Hello Shuravi Happy Holidays
                    1. Bad_gr
                      Bad_gr 18 February 2021 11: 36
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                      Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
                      And my part was in the apple orchard, behind the topographers US Pompa
                      I really don't remember where it is sad But it was nice to talk about Afghanistan with a knowledgeable person.
                      Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
                      Hello Shuravi Happy Holidays
                      Happy holiday!
  20. Hiller
    Hiller 15 February 2021 14: 27
    +6
    Congratulations to everyone, all the fraternity !!! Not only those who are beyond the river, but also in other places, for there were enough of them. "Will live!"
  21. steelmaker
    steelmaker 15 February 2021 14: 53
    +4
    We gave them caravans of fuel, building materials, they blew up, killed our soldiers and danced on the dead. We are dear to them, hospitals, schools, they blew up and killed. This nation does not deserve respect, let alone pity! They themselves will die. And if they twitch, then the process must be accelerated without pity.
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  22. robinson
    robinson 15 February 2021 17: 11
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    Quote: steel maker
    This nation does not deserve respect, let alone pity! They themselves will die.

    What is so evil then? There is no gratitude and balance in the world. Did not know?
  23. Tank hard
    Tank hard 15 February 2021 17: 59
    +5
    All involved. hi
    Vitya

    He was a talker and a bully.
    Gorazd had a drink sometimes
    And a little bit angry fight,
    Never avoided.

    He turned on very abruptly,
    It used to be just a half-kick,
    I was proud of my nationality
    Without spreading a fig.

    He ate my brains with "educational program"
    - About "how to survive in war",
    Among the peaks and mujahideen
    Don't be stabbed to death in your sleep.

    He kept repeating to me: “We need Danya!
    Throw two grenades there,
    Then a horn from a machine gun,
    Then you can only enter. "

    "And beat at any stir,
    In the slightest rustle, in the reflection, in the shadow! "
    Both on a weekday and on Sunday.
    He told us that. And not laziness ?!

    We are with a condescending grin
    We tolerated this chatter.
    In his eyes, we are only pawns.
    And our opinion - to zero.

    But then one day in "civilian",
    On a beautiful holiday day.
    I met him early,
    And he could not look away.

    From the order that he is in Afghanistan,
    Risking my life I got it.
    Then I said to myself, "Danya!"
    It's me! He wasn't a freak ...

    My verse.
    1. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov 15 February 2021 19: 05
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      Happy Holidays, Daniel, Afghan!

      And your verse also inspired me memories. No, I was not in Afghanistan, I worked in the Far Eastern seas then. But then, when he returned and worked as a foreman, a guy came to our site. Just demobilized Afghan. He was very squeezed, bent, silent and taciturn, shuddered and reacted to any sharp and loud sound in the workshop. Then I got him talking. He told me a lot. And about the training, and about the life of the army, and about the Khatovites, and about the drop-in on armored personnel carriers and helicopters, and about stripping, and about two grenades at the door, and then a line, and about a boy in rags who pulled out a machine gun and shot the guys, and about the case when from the group abandoned to intercept the caravan, only one young remained (he was rescued by the eldest, having ordered: "Run aside!"), and the rest were killed and the wounded were killed by the Mujahideen. I even (with his permission) wrote an article. The factory newspaper was banned, and the regional one was printed. And this was our first publication about Afghan ...

      And I meet that guy almost every day. He straightened up. Doesn't flinch. Highly qualified specialist. I bought an apartment, a car. Married, children. The namesake of the author, his name is also Igor.

      Over the 10 years of the Afghan war, more than 15 thousand Soviet soldiers have died. It is not customary to talk about losses in the Donetsk war, which lasts 7 years, but, according to my estimates, they are comparable to the Afghan ones, perhaps even surpass them. When will the destruction and bloodshed in Donbass end? When will those who can stop it decide to do so?
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 15 February 2021 19: 13
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        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
        Happy Holidays, Daniel, Afghan!

        Good day. I am 1973, I did not find Afghan. But through my life. like many of my peers. Afghan passed clearly leaving a trace. These are relatives and acquaintances, friends, brothers of friends, colleagues. Victor from verse is a real person, I crossed paths with him in the service in one of the divisions already in the first half of the 90s. He constantly shared his experience with young people. He left his mark on my life, respect for the guys who served in Afghanistan, strong respect for their feat and the country they represented there. While I live. I remember feeling proud. hi
  24. Bad_gr
    Bad_gr 15 February 2021 18: 33
    +2
    We were shuravi. Yes, they shot at us, but going out to the market for cigarettes or meat to eat with us did not turn into some kind of special operation with the use of armored vehicles. We didn’t seem to be at home, but we weren’t afraid. Not near me, not in the mountains.
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  25. grigorii
    grigorii 15 February 2021 19: 27
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    I have never heard of conscripts who stayed on extra-urgent service. But there were or such.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 15 February 2021 19: 38
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      Quote: grigorii
      I have never heard of conscripts who stayed on extra-urgent service. But there were or such.

      Where? In Afghanistan or in general? I heard about Afghan, but it is from the words. In general, I met such people, moreover, they entered schools, graduated. became officers, continued their service. I was offered to do, to become an officer. In the third year of service, such an offer was received, but it was 1996, salaries were scanty, I did not see any prospects. I didn’t apply.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 February 2021 21: 13
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      Quote: grigorii
      I have never heard of conscripts who stayed on extra-urgent service. But there were or such.

      They told me about the fighters who were taken to the union for treatment for injury, and they escaped from the hospital and returned to Afghanistan.
      1. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 17 February 2021 10: 53
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        You can't come back on your own Through Tashkent, Termez, Kushka There are border guards everywhere and worked quite hard.We are sitting on the bank in Hairaton, across the Soyuz river, and in the center of the river there are border guards on a boat and that's it, you can't get through
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 17 February 2021 11: 57
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          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          You can't come back on your own

          They didn’t tell me the details, but I don’t think that the fighter, like in the old spy movies, crossed the border. It is more likely that he spoke with one of the officers and that he found a way, including him in the lists of recruits or something else.
  26. pro100y.belarus
    pro100y.belarus 15 February 2021 21: 18
    +2
    It's hot there. Not our climate. I wanted to go to a pine forest with a lake and some water from a spring.
    Eh, youth ...
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 February 2021 22: 40
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      Quote: pro100y.belarus
      It's hot there

      In 1983, in Jalalabad (DShB), a thermometer showed 75 ° C in the sun (in the shade beyond the 50th). In August, three of the soldiers died (heart). In the module (walls are plywood with foam) when the air conditioner is on. over 30 °, and a wet sheet on a naked body (in the room) dried out in 40-50 minutes.
      Oddly enough, the locals don't keep our temperatures in our bathhouse. Paradox.
  27. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 17 February 2021 10: 54
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    Blessed memory of the guys who died in Afghanistan! But the withdrawal of troops arranged by Gorbachev's betrayal of the Motherland, the souls of the dead will not forgive this! The withdrawal of troops is a disgrace to the USSR and Russia! With the withdrawal of troops, the USSR collapsed! The supply of heroin to Europe has increased! The consequence of the withdrawal of troops is won in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Syria! World terrorism has increased! Even the Karabakh conflict is the same consequence of the withdrawal! The withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan is a defeat in the Cold War for the United States! This is the day of grief and cowardice of the leadership! Gorbachev was ruled from London and Washington! The people betrayed those who always stayed there! What did the USSR achieve there? Nothing! With the withdrawal of troops, he buried all the works! Now they will say that economically the country would not have pulled it! And then the betrayal of the fraternal people of Yugoslavia! We already wrote why we did not organize air defense in Yugoslavia! In Vietnam they did it! And Yugoslavia was abandoned! Where did the brave guys go after the war? Most of the crime! How many relentless weapons were there! Organizing the withdrawal of troops did not save the guys, but destroyed the country!
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  29. tank64rus
    tank64rus 20 February 2021 09: 34
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    The British tried in the 19th century to conquer Afghanistan. ONE returned from the British Expeditionary Force to India, who later died. And OURS came by order and left by order. Eternal GLORY and MEMORY to them. Alive and dead.
  30. Radikal
    Radikal 21 February 2021 22: 18
    +10
    For "today's" young liberals, who do not distinguish RPGs from PKKs ...
    This is still half the trouble, but when the trigger is confused with the trigger, then this is already a diagnosis ... laughing
  31. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 25 February 2021 13: 37
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    Sorry for the guys who stayed there! And the souls of these remaining boys despise the traitors who abandoned their business and the battlefield! I understand that Gorbachev, an enemy of the people and a traitor to the Motherland, was in power! But the cowardly flight from Afghanistan caused the collapse of the USSR! This is the date of shame and betrayal of all those who organized the withdrawal of troops! General Vlasov also ordered to surrender! In addition to the collapse of the USSR, the supply of drugs in Europe increased! They were delivered by the American military transport aircraft! Without withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, fictional tragedy in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria! Besides Afghanistan, Russia has betrayed these countries! And the dates of the shameful flight are not celebrated! The souls of those who stayed there forever curse those who deserted from Afghanistan in an organized manner! Honor and glory to the fallen soldiers in Afghanistan! And the curse of the Russian people to the deserters of Afghanistan! Starting with Gorbachev and Gromov! The guys went to crime after won!
  32. Sofa warrior
    Sofa warrior 26 February 2021 21: 04
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    Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    Sorry for the guys who stayed there! And the souls of these remaining boys despise the traitors who abandoned their business and the battlefield! I understand that Gorbachev, an enemy of the people and a traitor to the Motherland, was in power! But the cowardly flight from Afghanistan caused the collapse of the USSR! This is the date of shame and betrayal of all those who organized the withdrawal of troops! General Vlasov also ordered to surrender! In addition to the collapse of the USSR, the supply of drugs in Europe increased! They were delivered by the American military transport aircraft! Without withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, fictional tragedy in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria! Besides Afghanistan, Russia has betrayed these countries! And the dates of the shameful flight are not celebrated! The souls of those who stayed there forever curse those who deserted from Afghanistan in an organized manner! Honor and glory to the fallen soldiers in Afghanistan! And the curse of the Russian people to the deserters of Afghanistan! Starting with Gorbachev and Gromov! The guys went to crime after won!

    You don't see enemies there, claims to those who, after Vietnam, thought of introducing troops there. And Russia does not owe anything to anyone, enough to drag the whole world on itself. But it's a pity for the boys, that's for sure. All these former "brothers" like Czechoslovakia, who were held by force, have long been in the European Union, with more salaries than ours.