What did the peasants bring to the city? Paternalism!

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The irony of "paternal life" ... A can of canned food on the festive table. It is supposed to put the contents of the jar on a special plate or in a salad bowl, but ... it will do just fine, doesn't it ?! Everything is absolutely, the advantages of the social environment and its disadvantages are manifested in such little things! A scene from the film "The Irony of Fate ..."

The classics of Marxism-Leninism warned us about many things, but for some reason they did not go too deeply into the theory and practice of ... paternalism. But in vain! In him, in his psychology, born in the village and then migrated to our cities, is the key to understanding many problems of both the past and the present of Russia!

When the dogs were out of sight, Bashti presented his idea. If people plant banana trees, they get bananas. If they plant yams, yams will grow, not sweet potatoes or fig trees, but yams — and only yams. It is the same with dogs. If all black dogs are cowardly, then all the offspring of these dogs will be cowardly. White people's dogs are brave fighters. By multiplying, they give courageous fighters.
("Jerry the Islander" Jack London)

The beginning and end of the peasant civilization. Today we end this topic so that we, in fact, only have to draw a conclusion. However, we will draw a conclusion only after we answer a very important question: what the “gigantic petty-bourgeois wave” (as we remember it in 1917, it was not someone who wrote, but V. I. Lenin) brought with him to the city, and what consequences did it have for him?



In England - fencing, we have collectivization!


Let us also recall that everything that took place in England at the end of the 30th - beginning of the 30th century was repeated in the USSR in the 50s of the last century. Only there, the reason for the mass de-peasantization was associated with the development of sheep breeding and wool production, and in our country - with the need to eliminate the dependence of the state on the individualism of the peasants in the face of an acutely felt military threat. The country needed a proletariat, and they drew it from the countryside, and, on the one hand, trying to detain old collective farmers in the countryside, and on the other, opening up broad prospects for young people to end their peasant status at the "construction sites of communism" and in cities at industrial enterprises. Such a policy took place in the 90s, during the war years, and then the process went on increasing: the end of the 2000s - the beginning of the creation of a nuclear missile shield in the USSR and ... the massive construction of "Khrushchevs". The creation of nuclear missile parity - and the mass construction of "Brezhnevok". In the XNUMXs, the process continued, and in the early XNUMXs it was also spurred on by the introduction of the Unified State Exam.

End the "petty owner" once and for all


The place of the small peasant owner, who lived according to the principle “I can do whatever I want”, came to large agricultural holdings with a staff of hired workers, and the farmers - they also try not to work themselves, but hire hired workers. In fact, today our modern peasants are our ... summer residents who have acquired land as their property. But the volume of what they produce is completely incomparable with what can affect the interests of the state. So they can grow peppers, and potatoes, and ... grass with flowers there. And the fact that the process of "fencing", that is, replacing communal property with private land, took place in our country simultaneously with an attempt to build "socialism", once again suggests that our leadership during the entire existence of our "workers 'and peasants' state" consisted of from ... very ignorant people who did not understand the processes in him and did not react to them accordingly.

However, could it be otherwise? No, it couldn't. And that's why. Because the masses of people who moved to cities, and the masses of people who were encouraged to participate in public life, were infected with ... paternalism. That is, they were in captivity of paternalistic, petty-bourgeois views on life.

What did the peasants bring to the city? Paternalism!

Three generations in conditions of stability ...


In what year was serfdom abolished in our country? In 1861, right? So, in accordance with the theory of generations, when should the psychology of people independent of this heavy legacy of the past be developed in our country? In 1961! But ... only on condition of stable life and natural change of three generations! And we had it all this time? Not a single day! First, the revolution of 1905-1907, then the First World War, the revolution of 1917, the Civil War of 1918-1922, industrialization, collectivization, "Yezhovism", the Great Patriotic War, "the defeat of the cult of personality" and a host of other perturbations affecting both on the economy and on the consciousness of our citizens. What's next? And then, as soon as things began to improve, the problems began - the "second waves" of the Second World War, a shortage of labor, which was supposed to reach a maximum in 1995 - and how could all this be dealt with? And they found a way out ... in replacing one system in the country with another - state capitalism, covered by pompous "left" phrases about socialism and the state of the whole people, with private capitalism.


Psychology must be studied and then put into practice


And all this tossing back and forth, by the way, was precisely the result of the dual nature of individual peasants who do not exploit hired labor: on the one hand, they are workers, on the other hand, the owners of the means of production. The collective farms seem to have knocked out the basis for such a psychology, but our leaders did not understand that it does not change so easily. That children under 3-5 years old learn more about life than in the rest of their lives, and absorb the psychology of their parents literally with their mother's milk. It is easy "the village is not forgotten," it is easy to educate it in urban areas.

"I consider myself urban now I
Here is my job, here are my friends.
But I still dream of the village at night -
My homeland does not want to let me go. "


It's not just that Leonid Derbenev wrote such poems. And for a reason, when this song is sung from the stage, and people in the hall sing along with the singers. The subconscious "idols of the clan" and "idols of the cave", that is, upbringing and the place of initial residence, from which no one can hide in any city apartment, makes themselves felt.


Purely peasant power ...


What else is paternalism bad? But what: it generates many ideological "squires" who are ready in every way to praise the wisdom of the leaders and to justify in the eyes of people even the most negative of their actions and decisions, since "the father will not say and do bad things." It is expressed in the imperceptible implantation in the public consciousness of ideas about the infallibility of the holders of the supreme power, their deification and at the same time tacit agreement with any unlimited arbitrariness, lack of rights and servility of subjects, the denial of any freedom and democracy.


That is, the Russian centuries-old tradition of paternalism has not disappeared under the new conditions, on the contrary, it has found embodiment in petty-bourgeois leaderism, which is just characteristic of a multimillion peasant country. And the fact that we still have all the successes and failures of the country, people even here, at VO, associate with one particular figure, it is very sad: Stalin is good, Khrushchev is a corn-maker, Brezhnev is nothing, but "Marked" has ruined everything ... How much can you? Where have the people been all this time? I was engaged in "Odobryams" - all in the best, again, traditions of paternalistic culture.

And who went to the party? The same peasants, albeit yesterday's!


And all the problems with the party, cut off from the people, from here. After all, who was it made of? From workers - yesterday's peasants, from officials - yesterday's peasants, at best - from the children of yesterday's peasants, who again went on summer vacation to the village with their grandfather and grandmother. That is, they planted a yam - and a yam grew, and by no means apples or bananas. And therefore there is nothing to be surprised at what happened to our country. It would be surprising and strange if this did not happen!


And, by the way, it's just amazing that in the famous “Short Course stories All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks ”(1945 edition) that this is exactly what will happen was written in plain text, albeit with the addition of the word“ if ”. That's just "if" it was predetermined from the very beginning, with the salvo of the Aurora!

Good words, now there would be mass consciousness too!


Let us emphasize that this is a 1945 edition. But ... it was written back in 1938, then a reprint of 1943 ... And everyone read, nodded their heads, repeated from the high rostrum ... And they did everything to make what was written as soon as possible come true!

By the way, all this, apparently, is very well understood by our today's leader, since he once said literally the following (at the ProjeKTORIA forum, Yaroslavl, December 2018):

“Most importantly, you should never wait for some kind of guidance. We have always had a very paternalistic state. This is partly good, because it preserves tradition, but on the other hand, each person individually needs to understand that 90% of his personal success will depend on him personally. That is why there is no need to wait, you need to take advantage of support, where it is, and the network of such support is being created wider and wider, it will be broader in the coming years, more substantive and meaningful in terms of filling with public finances, but each of you must to seek his own way in life, to take his destiny into his own hands. Otherwise, we will not see luck. The only way. Only personal initiative and hard work on yourself. So I want to call you to this. "

We will not talk about support here, even if the state does not interfere with us, but everything else is noticed very correctly!


We drive more quietly - we better be!


And the conclusion from all this is this: nothing in our country will change in a noticeable way (an imperceptible process of change is constantly going on, since new children are born every day, most of them have never even seen a village!), Until a generational change occurs naturally. That is, the generations of the 50s-60s and beyond should give up their place in leading positions to representatives of generations of 2000 and so. But in a natural way. Haste here will only lead to the "swinging of the pendulum", as has already happened in Russia, and more than once.

Then the country will really change. But only you and I will not have to see this, except that sitting on a cloud, we can invisibly observe all this!

Literature for additional reading and self-development:

1. Patterns and mechanisms of socio-psychological paternalism: on the example of paternal relations between school and family. Academic degree: Doctor of Psychology Bonkalo, Tatiana Ivanovna, Moscow, 2011.

2. Paternalism in Russia. Academic degree: Doctor of Philosophy. Author of scientific work: Ermolenko, Tatiana Fedorovna. Rostov-on-Don, 2000. - Perhaps, this is the most interesting and best, and most importantly - also accessible, that is, not too cleverly written and "scientific" dissertation.
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  1. +11
    16 February 2021 05: 20
    Well, maybe for some people this is news, but we were taught back in the early 90s that in the USSR, cities have a rural mentality. And the sea confirms this.
    1. +1
      16 February 2021 06: 52
      Quote: Cowbra
      USSR cities - with a rural mentality


      and Western Europe was already with an urban mentality (everything went before for them)

      And what do we see in the West today? Herds of infantile, obese, weak-willed, dying out, spiritless, who have driven themselves into the fetters of LGBT people, libers, self-censorship and insane consumption, people without future.

      this is this "bright" future the author means when he writes:

      generations of the 50-60s and beyond should give up their place in leadership positions to representatives of generations of 2000 and so. But in a natural way.

      Then the country will really change.
      ?
      1. +3
        16 February 2021 07: 03
        Quote: Olgovich
        and Western Europe was already with an urban mentality (everything went before for them)

        Well, everything is so cool there that you can't blame the difference between a city and a village. There, for example, monasteries have been strongholds of sodom and hemorrhoids from time immemorial, yeah, but they are closer to purely rural life there.
        Here the trick is somewhat different, easier with an example. In the USSR in Russia, if you need to hang a shelf, no one will come to call someone to drill a hole. Rural mentality - I used to rely on myself, until you get to the city. This, of course, is not bad, on the one hand, but on the other hand, it cuts the service industry in the bud. which is exactly in the west - in general, the basis of the economy of developed countries.
        1. -7
          16 February 2021 07: 24
          Quote: Cowbra
          For example, monasteries have been strongholds of sodom and hemorrhoids from time immemorial, yeah, but they are closer to rural life there

          but the pattern is different: the more the city, the more gays and other similar abominations.
          1. +4
            16 February 2021 07: 53
            That is, the Russian centuries-old tradition of paternalism has not disappeared anywhere under the new conditions; on the contrary, it has found embodiment in petty-bourgeois leaderism, which is just characteristic of a multimillion peasant country.

            Let's say it's not paternalism, it's broader, it's a breed of people bred by landowners - aggressively obedient.
            When obedience is absolute, up to the moment when the herd begins to starve, such as under Pugachev, or he is sent to slaughter, as under Nicholas 2.
            Aggression is directed at the naughty sheep identified in the flock
            And paternalism is expressed in the search for the owner's boot so as not to be responsible for their own destiny.
            1. -3
              16 February 2021 08: 23
              Quote: Civil
              a breed of people - aggressively obedient.

              nope: such wise, proud, intelligent and wonderful people as my grandfathers and grandmothers and great-grandfathers, years of birth 1888-1906, in later generations met much less.
              Quote: Civil
              When obedience is absolute, up to the moment when the herd begins to starve, such as under Pugachev, or he is sent to slaughter, as under Nicholas 2.

              nope: tsar - hunger of 1891 and no riots.

              wars Russia waged TENS and where are the riots?
              Quote: Civil
              And paternalism is expressed in the search for the owner's boot so as not to be responsible for their own destiny.

              our "enlightened" urban generations would have SUCH responsibility for the country as our ancestors had, who built the largest country in the world ..

              And yes, the USSR was destroyed not by the old "village" generations, but by the new-aggressive-obedient
              1. +1
                16 February 2021 08: 28
                was among the ancestors who built the largest country in the world ..

                What do hungry, illiterate, powerless peasants have to do with building the country? What decisions did they make? Who was the master of the country under the same Nicholas?
                And yes, the USSR was not destroyed by the old "village" generations.

                The country was destroyed by crooks and thieves who, after the death of the real Bolsheviks, ended up in power. And the majority remained obsequiously silent. The answer is not for you.
                1. -4
                  16 February 2021 08: 55
                  Quote: Civil
                  What do hungry, illiterate, powerless peasants have to do with building the country?

                  I tell you: they plowed, fought, built, studied, mined, settled, mastered new lands, created factories, temples, ships, weaponsPower piled.
                  Quote: Civil
                  The country was destroyed by crooks and thieves who, after the death of the real Bolsheviks, ended up in power. And most slavishly kept silent

                  again twenty-five: and where is the present. are the Bolsheviks gone?
                  Those. tsarism was able to give birth to the present. the Bolsheviks, and the Bolsheviks themselves are already in power .... no ?! belay

                  the majority said nothing, that's it. And it was not most OLD generations.
                  1. +2
                    16 February 2021 09: 11
                    I tell you: they plowed, fought, built, studied, mined, settled, mastered new lands, created factories, temples, ships, weapons-the State was piled.

                    The nobles who mercilessly exploited the people built everything good for themselves. That is why we got revolutions. Some survived, others fattened.
                    But in 1991 you came to power. And you can't get drunk either. So tell the manager. And you will also fall under the riot. Unfortunately, old people do not see the future.
                    1. -11
                      16 February 2021 10: 58
                      Quote: Civil
                      The nobles who mercilessly exploited the people built everything good for themselves.

                      Name the nobles who laid down the temples of the Intercession of the Virgin on the Nerl and Moscow, plowmen, explorers, foundry workers, etc.

                      EVERYONE was building a country for YOURSELF

                      Quote: Civil
                      ... That is why we got revolutions.


                      EVERYTHING got a revolution and it didn't seem a little to nobody.
                      Quote: Civil
                      But in 1991 you came to power. ...


                      I am not sideways.

                      But you, such all "formidable / all-conquerors" lol laughing -Where disappeared in 91 g that you elusive joes lol , searched with fire and could not find?

                      Quote: Civil
                      pass. And you will also fall under a riot .. Unfortunately, the old people do not see the future.

                      and you will not fall under the riot, yes fool lol

                      remember how many MILLIONS of lives, suffering, hardships of just ordinary people, how many years of titanic efforts had to be spent to at least first restore everything destroyed by the revolutions.

                      remembered? Now wish it, yeah
                      1. -1
                        16 February 2021 11: 00
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        remember how many MILLIONS of lives, suffering, hardships of just ordinary people, how many years of titanic efforts had to be spent to at least first restore everything destroyed by the revolutions.
                        remembered? Now wish it, yeah

                        It is about this that tell us on the feedback what you are leading the country to.
                      2. -6
                        16 February 2021 11: 51
                        Quote: Civil
                        It is about this that tell us about the feedback, where are you leading the country

                        so I speak directly -you-that YOU want in the country.

                        Or you think that you are smarter than the Ruins, Moldovans, Georgians, etc., and you will RIDE on correct, safe height? belay lol
                2. +2
                  16 February 2021 11: 01
                  Quote: Civil

                  What do hungry, illiterate, powerless peasants have to do with building the country?

                  And who built it? You have a fig plug, or you will have to admit that these same landowners, about whom you spoke, that they have built a country, or you will have to declare that the peasant wasn’t killed, but was building the country. In both cases, somewhere it necessarily turns out that you are lying.
                  1. +2
                    17 February 2021 06: 42
                    And he does not understand this, or is not supposed to think.
                  2. -2
                    17 February 2021 13: 21
                    Take Petrograd, for example, do you think the peasants are planning to build a city there at any cost? And they themselves died there in the swamps for this?
              2. +4
                16 February 2021 08: 50
                Quote: Olgovich
                nope: tsar - hunger of 1891 and no riots.

                wars Russia waged TENS and where are the riots?
                Olgovich, you are simply demonstrating a shameful "ignorance" of the history of Russia:
                “In 1856, a mass movement of serfs“ for freedom ”to Tauride province. The movement embraced mainly the "Novorossiysk" provinces, mainly Yekaterinoslavskaya, in which only two counties gave up to 2 thousand unauthorized migrants; Kherson lips also gave several thousand ”[9].

                The nature of the escapes, thus, completely changes: due to the very mass character of this movement, peaceful resettlement results in a "riot", in a bloody clash with military units.

                Another form of the peasant movement is the calls for mass "disobedience" of the peasants to the landlords and the authorities. The main reason for the disobedience of serfs, as can be seen from government investigations, was the increasing severity of exploitation of serf labor over the years. Of the 423 cases of peasant unrest during the Nikolaev reign, about which there is appropriate information, 208, i.e. about half, was caused directly by economic motives, mainly the strengthening of corvee duties. ... ...
                The usual form of peasants' disobedience is the refusal to work in the corvee and to pay the quitrent and other extortions in favor of the landowner. Often, "disobedience" was accompanied by the fact that "in official sources it is called" arbitrariness ", i.e. change of government, set by the landowner, sometimes by "riot", ie reprisals against the patrimonial authorities, unauthorized disposition of landlord property, etc. ”[19] Of the 423 cases mentioned, about which there is detailed information, arbitrariness manifested itself in 208, i.e. in almost half of the cases.

                All these cases of "disobedience" and "arbitrariness" usually caused the intervention of local authorities, and if their "meek admonitions" did not work, then sending military teams... Often, the appearance of a military command was enough to end disobedience, but often it was necessary to use rods, and sometimes weapons. After the pacification, the teams often stayed for some time in the village, where they made sure that the movement did not resume; in addition, the maintenance of the military unit was a heavy burden on the peasants and served as a serious punishment for them.

                Full of examples!
              3. -1
                21 February 2021 11: 36
                Quote: Olgovich
                We wish the "enlightened" urban generations of SUCH responsibility for the country,


                Heh - .. heh ... Where did you find "responsibility for the country"?
                Country in 1991-1993 gouged nafig, and "the Bolsheviks or their descendants are to blame for everything"? Nobody fulfilled the oath given in the USSR. For a criminal whom even the commission of the State Duma of the Russian Federation convicted in the 90s of acts under the firing article 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation and the corresponding article of the Criminal Code of the USSR- the people voted for him 2 times in the presidential elections

                You have to be not quite "in your mind" to write about some kind of "responsibility for the country" A bunch of descendants of serfs and no responsibility for anything. The history of Russia is now "held responsible" by the Jews or the Bolsheviks of 1917, but not by the Russian people. And those who are not responsible are not entitled to rights ...
          2. +4
            16 February 2021 08: 18
            I very much doubt that you have any knowledge of sexology to understand gays and their origins. As if from the fact that a homosexual in the old days was forcefully married, he ceased to be a homosexual.
            1. -11
              16 February 2021 08: 39
              Quote: EvilLion
              I very much doubt that you have any knowledge of sexology to understand gays and their origins.

              who cares about your ... doubts? belay
              Quote: EvilLion
              As if from the fact that a homosexual in the old days was forcefully married, he ceased to be a homosexual.

              propaganda of this in the cities and licentiousness sharply increase the number of them, for example: "Once with". But that's exactly it, yeah ...
              1. +7
                16 February 2021 08: 59
                Surely you have no doubts. But it is not the one who has not read a single book in his life that is terrible, but who has read only one.

                If you have started to get up on the men from propaganda, then I'm afraid it's not about propaganda, because sex. attraction doesn't work that way.

                Although, in order for you to read another book, in Central Asia, where a young and, as a rule, an anxious man traditionally did not have easy access to women, since everyone is in burqas, and under protection, such a phenomenon as the use of bachey boys. From dressing up in women's clothing with erotic dances, to the actual exploitation of the ass. And when we have another rape of a child by a guest from sunny Uzbekistan (for a long time, however, there was no longer, perhaps they began to let them in less), then this is a direct result of local traditions. And this phenomenon is developed in inverse proportion to the presence of Russians in those places. In Afghanistan, bachi is a serious business, perhaps even legal under their laws.

                So if you want pederasty and pedophilia, just do not let men near women, such things will flourish that prisons with lowered ones seem like a kindergarten. For any hypocritical and absurd religious restriction, the population will immediately come up with no less hypocritical and ridiculous excuses. And the same Islamic world with its veil is much more homosexual than the most depraved European society.

                Well, monasteries are like hotbeds of homosexuality, a simple question, if a young man does not have girls, and in general there is no interest in getting married, and without this it was difficult in the past, then where should he go? To the monastery, where the roof from the stupid prayers will go completely, and maybe to the Navy (the traditions of the Royal Navy - rum, lashes, pederasty), and then jokes "from somewhere" arise that "I love you cabin boy!"
                1. -15
                  16 February 2021 09: 12
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  But it's not the one who has not read a single book in his life that is terrible, but who read only one.

                  I agree. Yes

                  The bad news is that for you this book has become a book about Bachey boys. request

                  and the article deals with an industrial European society, not an early feudal Islamic one.
                  1. -1
                    16 February 2021 09: 41
                    In the article about the industrial society there is nothing at all, in the article about the fact that it did not have time to form in the USSR, since the population in the mass is only in the 1st, it is good if in the 2nd generation.

                    Homosexuals and wild sexual practices have existed in great numbers throughout human history. And it is often attempts to overly regulate sex life that lead to savagery.
                    1. -6
                      16 February 2021 11: 13
                      Quote: EvilLion
                      In the article about the industrial society there is nothing at all, in the article about the fact that it did not have time to form in the USSR, since the population in the mass is only in the 1st, it is good if in the 2nd generation.

                      then learn what an "industrial society" is.

                      Successfully, see. definition of IO
                      Quote: EvilLion
                      Homosexuals and wild sexual practices have existed in great numbers throughout human history. And it is often the attempts to overly regulate sex life that lead to wildness.

                      there were a lot of things.

                      And that's all ... the norm?

                      Unbridled obsessive LGBT propaganda, parents 1,2, human milk is NOT the norm for normal people.
                    2. +1
                      18 February 2021 21: 35
                      Quote: EvilLion
                      And it is often attempts to overly regulate sex life that lead to savagery.

                      not. society usually comes to "wilds" when civilization declines and moral foundations collapse. this is the cycle.
                      see the end of all civilizations. Nero, Caligula and so on.
                2. +4
                  16 February 2021 09: 24
                  What does Holland have to do with the back boys? Or Germany? And in Canada, when did they manage to light up?
                  Intrusive propaganda is paying off.
                  1. +6
                    16 February 2021 09: 34
                    And where did you get the idea that there are more homosexuals in Holland than in Afghanistan? Because a thousand gathered in one place and yells loudly, and the police won't allow them to be stoned?
            2. 0
              16 February 2021 12: 01
              that a homosexual was forcefully married in the old days
              And it happened that they were sent to the monastery laughing
            3. +2
              16 February 2021 19: 51
              Quote: EvilLion
              I very much doubt that you have any knowledge of sexology to understand gays and their origins. As if from the fact that a homosexual in the old days was forcefully married, he ceased to be a homosexual.

              My platoon commander said that there are only eight types of sexual minorities. To my question: Where did you get such deep knowledge of perverts ?, very hard beat me with a rubber truncheon RP-73.
            4. 0
              18 February 2021 21: 32
              Quote: EvilLion
              As if from the fact that a homosexual in the old days was forcefully married, he ceased to be a homosexual.

              in discussions about homosexuality you can often hear - "The ancient Greeks had homosexuality"
              yes, there was a case but! a citizen in the cities of ancient Greece had the right to choose sexual entertainment but was required to have a household, a wife and children.
              that is, you can be a homosexual, but take out the offspring and the economy and put it down.
          3. +3
            16 February 2021 08: 25
            Quote: Olgovich
            but the pattern is different: the more the city, the more gays and other similar abominations.
            "Socialism was destroyed by the big cities" Kara-Murza.
            But monarchism is something that does not bend, in England for example. Fertile soil can be seen for monarchism, these nurseries.
            1. Fat
              0
              16 February 2021 15: 10
              And there is nothing particularly bad about the monarchy itself. Monarchy and "autocracy" are not entirely synonymous. (not synonymous at all) No. Monarchy is, besides Britain, Thailand, Japan, Spain and others ... and even Canada ... This form of representation of power does not interfere with rampant, democracy in any way. Absolutely.
              And, yes, Andrei Olgovich, not so much a monarchist, he is offended for the State. We must take it for granted and not "hamster Rrrevolutionary necessity"
              1. -4
                17 February 2021 03: 27
                Quote: Thick
                This form of representation of power does not interfere with revelry and democracy in any way. Absolutely.
                Democracy, yeah
                Quote: Olgovich
                but the pattern is different: the more the city, the more gays and other similar abominations.
                If for a regular admirer of Shpakovsky democracy and homogeia and so on are equal to democracy, then of course.
          4. +1
            16 February 2021 17: 34
            Quote: Olgovich
            but the pattern is different: the more the city, the more gays and other similar abominations.
            There is no such pattern!
            Culture, laws, advertising. It's like religion.
          5. 0
            21 February 2021 10: 56
            Quote: Olgovich
            the more the city, the more gays and other similar abominations.

            And at the same time, you have typical USSR ideas about gays ...
            Yes, that's how it happens.

            And what was it like in Russia initially?
            “Intercourse with each other”, “playing with one's neighbor until the seed runs out” - the Orthodox Church recognized sodomy as a sin, but did not take any serious measures to combat it. The punishment for the copulation of men with each other first appeared in Stoglava in 1551. He demanded from the "sodomites" only repentance and correction.
            Ivan the Terrible himself liked to arrange noisy feasts with young men dressed in women's clothes.
            Here, in Russia, they simply joke about such a disgusting crime, and nothing happens more often than publicly, in joking conversations one boasts of sin, another reproaches another, the third invites to sin; the only thing that is lacking is that they commit this crime in front of all the people.

            Yuri Krizhanich
            Croatian Catholic priest, lived in Russia from 1659 to 1677
        2. +4
          16 February 2021 11: 14
          The main thing is to find someone to blame. Here, they say, we have a peasant mentality, we are all conformists, and therefore not a damn good can be done under any power - perhaps in a hundred years. And dissertators of all stripes convince us of this. And orders for such "research" are given by the state.
          There are hundreds of such "theories" that can be built, but it is not clear: why did the abolition of slavery in the United States occur later than in Russia, and the economic breakthrough earlier?
          I offer my theory: our problem is that in the seventies the West carried out a large-scale ideological sabotage: it began importing toilet paper into the USSR. This led to a landslide drop in demand for the newspapers Pravda, Trud, Sovetskaya Rossiya, Krasnaya Zvezda and Pionerskaya Pravda. , ideological clichés were erased and the Union ceased to be indestructible. The quotas for the import of scarce paper into the regions in a planned economy seemed unfair, which led to a surge in separatist sentiments, and the country collapsed.
          And what, the theory is not worse than others. Maybe I should also become a candidate of historical sciences? In the end, Rogozin became a technical doctor, I suppose he also composed garbage ...
          1. +4
            16 February 2021 11: 38
            And what has the guilty person to do with it? For example, the sky is blue ... Is it to blame? And our country was agrarian, forcibly in the cities, consider, resettled the village. There was no exit. Well, the mentality in the cities is rural. Here no one is to blame for anything, but if this FACT is not understood, then all city management without taking into account the specifics will be like sex in a hammock - cool, but ineffective
            1. +2
              16 February 2021 13: 46
              "the mentality in rural cities" - depending on where in megacities: Moscow, St. Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, Krasnoyarsk is one thing, and Mtsensk, Suzdal, Yeisk or Kineshma is another
              1. +3
                16 February 2021 14: 42
                Do you think differently in Moscow? The author of 6 acres did not remember in vain.
                1. +2
                  16 February 2021 20: 00
                  Quote: Cowbra
                  Do you think differently in Moscow? The author of 6 acres did not remember in vain.

                  In Moscow, in general - oops: they separated the city from the region. Under the USSR, Muscovites were given land plots in the Moscow region, but now it is a different region, go buy for millions. Where can you get them if you are not a corrupt official? We grow greens on the windowsills. And we remember with good words Eltsin and Putin. Sobakin is called a tiler in the city. He has a tile factory. In two years, the tile is destroyed by ice so that young girls on high heels can fall and break all their bones. Sobakin in Moscow everyone loves with fierce love.
                  1. +3
                    17 February 2021 07: 01
                    Bhe, girls. I remember how I myself managed to get stuck between the parted tiles with my heel near the RAS. and I have bast shoes of size forty-five, trampled ... This reindeer breeder has bothered with his tile, since it can withstand 30-50 years, why has it been moved twice on the Akademicheskaya metro station ?!
            2. -2
              16 February 2021 15: 57
              Quote: Cowbra
              the mentality in the cities is rural.

              That's right. Here the Fulyuganov brothers lived with us - they moved to the city, to the mentality. But, what is characteristic: as the mentality - so from ours, from Olkhovka, and as generals - so entirely from the city. And ishsho about the link between the city and the village gutar ... Disorder!
              But seriously, how can you measure it, mentality? And without sociometry, talking about the "level of mentality" is meaningless. And I would also note that the author of the article cleverly replaces mentality (that is, "a mentality, a set of emotional, cultural characteristics, value orientations and attitudes inherent in a social or ethnic group, nation, people, nationality") with the concept of "conformism." And conformism in our country is cultivated with a terrible force - for example, the inculcation of religiosity and media zombification, and it is equally difficult to resist this pressure for those who are from the countryside and the indigenous townspeople in the nth generation. (Not in the subject, but I remember what I heard about thirty years ago: "I am a fourth-generation Muscovite, and they come and go to us for sausage. Can we feed everyone?" That's why I don't like such townspeople).
            3. -4
              16 February 2021 16: 05
              Quote: Cowbra
              Well, the mentality in the cities is rural. No one is to blame for anything

              Sorry, but what kind of mentality meter did you (and the author of the article) determine the level and nature of the mentality of the natives of the village, and even God only knows in what generation? All of this is similar to reasoning about the number of flying saucers, geopathogenic zones, the properties of Bigfoot hair and the usefulness of homeopathy. I strongly suspect that there is absolutely nothing under the surface of the chatter, or there is something - but not at all related to the subject of discussion.
          2. +3
            16 February 2021 14: 09
            "carried out a large-scale ideological sabotage" no villains did it: Markoni-Popov and Zvarykin. How good it was without radio and TV. However, the radio in the form of a loudspeaker is very good, and everything else is from the "evil"
            I think it will pass for the candidate's thesis, but for the doctoral thesis too?
          3. Fat
            0
            16 February 2021 15: 28
            What? Healthy cynicism never gets in the way. Yes
          4. 0
            21 February 2021 16: 14
            Quote: astepanov
            And what, the theory is not worse than others. Maybe I should also become a candidate of historical sciences?

            --------

            During, during .... all the troubles from the candidates ... and the bandits, thieves and traitors are "their guys". People are close and understandable. It is not for nothing that their people have been electing them to all posts for 30 years. Starting with EBN, which in the United States would not be elected to the presidency 2 times, but 1 time to the electric chair. For all the good things I've done.

            We love to scold the State Duma. Meanwhile, the Commission of the State Duma of the Russian Federation in the 90s published an investigation, according to which the actions of the EBN contain signs of a crime under the firing article "treason". And what about the "common people"? If you vote, then "for whom else"?
            If the traditions of society are criminal and lawlessness = law, then its finale is obvious. With any power.
        3. 0
          17 February 2021 16: 25
          You cannot invite any service industries for the salaries that part of the population receives. Yes, and a cross-handed Tajik will come.
      2. +3
        16 February 2021 08: 16
        Yes, yes, look where cursed science leads. We must all go to the village, as under the tsar. Better to introduce serfdom, otherwise they came in large numbers under Stalin in the cities, and then everyone drove and drove.
        1. +7
          16 February 2021 09: 38
          Here you read the comments and it seems that the main crime of the 2000s generation is that it was born in a rather calm and well-fed time, without wars and other cataclysms, revolutions and famines, that it has access to a huge amount of information about the world around them, the achievements of medicine and technology.

          And so yes, drive everyone to the village and immediately wisdom and spirituality will gush out)
        2. 0
          16 February 2021 11: 08
          You just have to realize that things that work in Europe do not work in Russia. And they don't understand this.
          Want an example? Not about Europe? Catch any liberast or Sterninist "pink" pseudo-communist - in fact, they are one and the same flock. And tell me that the Chinese path of development in the Russian Federation is impossible. You will never prove to him that this is so - he simply will not understand. And here science is even simpler - not sociology, but stupid mathematics - if you have 10 times more population, you can do 10 times more. All one will not understand. Science is in their pen. And in principle they do not understand the differences between countries.
          1. +1
            16 February 2021 12: 04
            It is not about the size of the population, but about its structure. The USSR was originally built to win a big war, and then to meet domestic demand, as another question turned out, but the structure of the Soviet economy and then the Russian one is extremely complex and not export-oriented. So you can shout that we are selling oil and gas, well, how difficult it would be to single out what the USSR and Russia could brutally export, but almost all our basic needs are satisfied without export, and therefore the prices for electronics change from the dollar exchange rate, but not for that, without what you will die for sure.

            China, and South Korea in the middle of the 20th century, is a mass of illiterate population in villages that cannot feed itself, this population was attached to produce consumer goods for Western countries, that is, there are several industries where such countries are in the West. money can succeed, but it becomes extremely dependent on foreign trade. In the case of China, this is simply less noticeable, since it is really big and can find resources for something else.
            1. +1
              16 February 2021 13: 35
              China, and South Korea in the middle of the 20th century, is a mass of illiterate population in villages that cannot feed itself, this population was attached to produce consumer goods for Western countries, that is, there are several industries where such countries are in the West. money can succeed, but it becomes extremely dependent on foreign trade. In the case of China, this is simply less noticeable, since it is really big and can find resources for something else.

              It should be added that China's advantage over us is that, due to its enormous population, it also has a huge domestic market, due to which China may well increase the pace of economic development.
            2. Fat
              0
              16 February 2021 15: 59
              You are right, except that export and import have changed places. The "dependence" on the external (global) market of the southern "giants" is due to the cheapness of both workers and the maintenance of production (climate) At times! Not interest. Who in their right mind would prefer the excellent quality of a domestic product to a completely competitive Asian "cheap".
              When this not good Asian "balance" settles down in favor of domestic consumption, the "Japanese situation" will turn out ... When all of humanity is stuffed with their goods under the neck, along the edge of the glass ...
              Note that Japs have very few natural resources of their own. In China, there are noticeably more labor and natural resources, but they are already on the verge of stagnation ... Oh, what will happen, I can't even imagine request
              1. 0
                17 February 2021 08: 29
                export with import in places


                I noticed it while rereading.

                When the whole of humanity is stuffed with their goods under the neck, along the edge of the glass ...


                Not everything, but Japan was actually moved, transferring this role to China. => They can also move China, and in the West they seem to realize the mistake that a very large country, even with small relative investments in science and the military-industrial complex, can get significant results in absolute terms, so that China will be replaced by Mexico and Nigeria. So as not to rock the boat. The same Brazil, which is the South American counterpart of Russia, will definitely give nothing.
                1. 0
                  17 February 2021 16: 04
                  Quote: EvilLion
                  so Mexico and Nigeria will replace China. So as not to rock the boat. The same Brazil, which is the South American counterpart of Russia, will definitely give nothing.

                  Sho Again !! ?? After all, they have already tried Mexico and Nigeria and Brazil ... they all tried. We even managed to try everything that became on the rails of free trade after the collapse of the USSR. And now China, oddly enough, won as a result of Darwinian natural selection.
                  Only in China, the combination of all the factors gave the cheapest and most massive product of all possible on the globe. And for no shortage of the world will it be possible to achieve the best results in any currently existing country. Well, the aborigines in Nigeria, Brazil and other Palestinians will not work en masse, even 8 hours a day. So the same as there will be no Russian, Ukrainian, Pole and so on. work for $ 1 an hour.
                  Everything has already been tested and passed. China won. Now, except perhaps to populate Antarctica with people of a new type.
                2. Fat
                  -1
                  18 February 2021 15: 56
                  Japan, unlike China, is a direct vassal of the United States.
                  Is the Celestial Empire kicking? Let's wait and see who will be eating noodles at Stoltenberg's headquarters.
                  1. Fat
                    0
                    18 February 2021 16: 07
                    Like in an old joke ...
                    A man comes to the andrologist. Complains.
                    A friend said that with his beloved 16! once a night.
                    The doctor looked sadly and said:
                    "What's stopping you? Tell me too ..."
          2. +1
            16 February 2021 13: 39
            the "sternen" pink "pseudo-communist is no longer the heir to the RCP (b), but some kind of" neo-wise "
          3. Fat
            +1
            18 February 2021 17: 02
            The only trouble for the Slavs is that they are "white people" .... outwardly ... Isn't it?
            This "advanced humanity" cannot understand from the very beginning.
          4. 0
            21 February 2021 17: 23
            Quote: Cowbra
            Catch any liberast or Grudinin "pink" pseudo-communist - in fact, they are the same flock


            Sorry, I'm not an expert in politics. Therefore, the questions:
            1. What should not be a pseudo-communist?
            2. Specifically, what is the same thing in the political programs of the "Grudinin" and "liberasts"?
            3. If you don't like existing "packs" or parties, why not create your own? Real and folk. It seems that we have 145 million people .... Or who should do it?
      3. Fat
        0
        18 February 2021 15: 52
        Andrei. I strongly disagree. A worthless generalization. Yes
    2. -2
      16 February 2021 10: 20
      I didn’t even know a word like that - paternalism, I had to go into the dictionary. But it turned out that this was just our authoritarianism, or, as in the army, not otbalism, but hazing. In general, all this is just the authority of the authorities, which in these orders and this system always puts pressure on people, over the people.
      But has it always been this way? It has not always been like this. In Russian society there has always been a community / peace / meeting at which all the most pressing issues were resolved. This is the joint production of agricultural products, further delegating to one elected member of the community the functions of selling goods in markets and fairs, i.e. This member of the community became a merchant registered in a guild and was engaged in the sale of the harvest of the community. Then the world distributed the proceeds from the markets to the members of the community. That was how the Russian community stood.
      Neither the tsarist government nor the Bolshevik government liked this state of affairs.
      It was here, just the power of the RULES of the Russian world, and opposed the power of power in the state. the organized people, as they could, were always in opposition to the bad state decisions and laws adopted by both the tsarist government and the Bolshevik government.
      Stolypin tried to split the Russian society. Under him it turned out to single out wealthy peasants, middle peasants, horses and poor peasants, horseless. There is a lot of heap and speculation, NOT ALL wealthy peasants became kulaks / world eaters / rural bourgeoisie employers of farm laborers and interest-holders, many of them with their families by their own labor achieved great prosperity and had houses, horses and large tracts of land.
      What became of the Russian community after the Stolypin reforms is mostly not clear. Then there was a revolution and the soldiers / peasants simply took the landlord's land and began to do what they did best - growing agricultural products.
      The Bolsheviks never liked market relations and markets were forbidden, and the peasants were offered at firm and low prices to hand over the products of the Bolshevik government to which the peasants did not go. The Bolsheviks responded by introducing a policy of war communism and surrender, when armed townspeople simply came and took away from the peasants bread ...
      The peasants responded with uprisings and riots, the Tambov uprising, the Chembarniki uprising, which the Bolsheviks drowned in blood. The peasant army of the anarchist Makhno was destroyed.
      As a result of such actions of the Bolsheviks, there was no bread at all in the country and Lenin READY to allow the NEP
      What happened to the Russian community? And we do not know anything about this about the Russian MIR, just as we did not report it at the Republic of Ingushetia, so Soviet historians also kept silent about the fish.
      Most likely, the community survived and again, as under the Republic of Ingushetia, was able to resist the authority of the authorities with its collective authority.
      The Bolsheviks continued the policy of destruction of the Russian community, which they slyly called “collectivization.” Like, there were many small owners and they need to be united and this is progress, although this was not the case. As a result, all the land from the owners was taken away, and all agricultural production (agricultural implements , horses and even their own cattle, cows, sheep) were taken to "collective farms".
      And what happened again after such "collectivization". And after all these actions HOLEDOMERS followed in the Volga region, in the Ukraine. Again TENS of thousands of peasants died of hunger.
      It was the Bolsheviks who completely destroyed the Russian world, and the production of agricultural products in the USSR became the most ineffective in the world. But they got the FULL authoritarianism of the authorities, which our historians have now called this word - paternalism / otsenalism, such as the authority of the fathers, but this definition is not accurate, as we see, and therefore there is a lie.
      1. +4
        16 February 2021 12: 06
        Do you even understand that NEP is about free trade in bread ?? And free trade in something that everyone needs, but not enough is a direct road to scarcity and horse prices. All the kulak uprisings are precisely for the fact that the state does not interfere with the kulaks to arrange hunger and sell grain at exorbitant prices.
        1. -1
          16 February 2021 12: 16
          Only a free market on which prices are formed is the NATURAL natural order of existence of human society, i.e. a way of exchanging goods between town and country.
          Those. markets are always needed, where peasants and urban producers could bring their goods and where natural bargaining takes place.
          Further, firstly, the main grain producers before collectivization were by no means kulaks, but middle peasants.
          Secondly, the peasants did not want to hand over bread for candy wrappers and tic-tac-toe, that is why they were subjected to violence by prodrazvorie and later "dispossession-collectivization".
          Or in the period of post-civil hard times it was possible to negotiate with peasants at CONTRACT prices, who would surrender grain to the state, but the Bolsheviks did not go for it, they simply destroyed the markets, and the peasants were forced to surrender grain for what caused uprisings, blood and complete impoverishment of the peasants.
          1. +1
            16 February 2021 13: 40
            Those. markets are always needed, where peasants and urban producers could bring their goods and where natural bargaining takes place.

            You are describing a pre-industrial model of trade between town and country. Then it works. In the model with completed industrialization, when goods of group A were switched over to production of goods of group B, this also works. This doesn't work in the transitional phase. A peasant in Russia at the beginning of the 20th century needs a tiny amount of goods from a city - iron (and more often iron, not iron goods, because their blacksmiths and horseshoes will make, and hoops, etc., etc., namely of iron goods, the running gear is nails), kerosene, tea, sugar and the like, which are not by and large non-industrial goods, but handicraft. New industries have appeared that produce means of production, not consumption, what will they offer here and now to the countryside? Workers who work in a power plant, or make concrete, or assemble optical instruments, or make sulfuric acid, etc. with what will they come to the market? With concrete, electricity, acid? The peasant does not need them, he has lived without them for centuries and is in no hurry to change his way of life. And these workers need to eat. Tell us what to do in this situation?
            1. -2
              16 February 2021 13: 53
              Quote: Nefarious skeptic
              With concrete, electricity, acid? The peasant does not need them, he has lived without them for centuries and is in no hurry to change his way of life. And these workers need to eat. Tell us what to do in such a situation?


              It is not necessary to simplify, markets have existed since ancient times, therefore, the equivalent of a commodity, money, was invented by mankind. Working power plants simply received money and went to the markets with the money to buy food and everything else.
              What's so incomprehensible?

              The Bolsheviks abolished markets and replaced it with DISTRIBUTION, which was done by officials, who in fact became a gasket between town and country and therefore the prices of goods RISE than if there was a simple and natural exchange of goods, the officials who participate in the distribution process - in the Bolshevik way - are always parasites on the body of the market economy.
              By the way, what is happening now. What is happening with the product? It goes through a whole chain of different intermediaries who stupidly throw up their percentage and from this they have their own grand piece. Is this socialism or not socialism? This is PARASITOLISM, that's what it's called.
              1. +1
                16 February 2021 15: 00
                It is not necessary to simplify, markets have existed since ancient times, therefore, the equivalent of a commodity, money, was invented by mankind. Working power plants simply received money and went to the markets with the money to buy food and everything else.

                And labor money will draw, apparently. Or is it necessary to sell them electricity first? Who?
          2. +3
            17 February 2021 08: 47
            If I sell bread, then I am primarily interested in the high prices for my goods, it is obvious that the highest prices for bread will be during famine. In my opinion, living in the 21st century, a person must have sufficient intelligence to build such a single-link logical connection.

            So free trade in a scarce resource for which there is an endlessly renewable demand will not satisfy in principle.

            As for "handing over bread for candy wrappers", when there is a famine in the cities, food detachments will simply come to you from the cities, including soldiers with weapons, and you will not only give bread for free, but you will also be hanged over a burning tire ... Because you decided to starve people. Moreover, the sellers of bread were not peasants, the middle peasant, having a certain surplus of several bags for the market in the city, will not be lucky, therefore all the grain surplus, if any, is bought up with a fist. And the locals will willingly show the city guests who to go to for bread, especially since a significant part of the peasantry also bought bread, and they will dance around this burning tire together with the city guests.

            The very first dispossession of kulaks by order of the authorities was recorded at least in the 17th century during the reign of Aleksey Mikhailovich, when for the survival of the population, the grain trading mafia was forced to sell bread for fix. prices. And then it hurt a lot of "smart", trying to hold back the bread in order to raise prices higher.

            who would donate bread to the state


            You yourself just wrote about "change for candy wrappers." The state needs to feed the population, it will never offer superhigh prices. And in wartime, free grain trade in any country is simply canceled.
            1. -1
              17 February 2021 11: 17
              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Хлебные_законы
              Not to be unfounded - an example of how the problems with the pricing of bread were solved at another time and in another country. Moreover, with similar problems - their own production was limited in volume due to the results of mass sheep breeding, and large cities were teeming with poor workers and former villagers. In short - all the extra people under arms and in the colony, let them get their own food there. Those who disagree are sent to workhouses (light concentration camp, https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabotny_dom). So similar problems are not alien there, the transition to an industrial society gives rise to similar problems - https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Law_(1834)
          3. 0
            21 February 2021 17: 44
            Quote: Bar1
            markets are always needed where peasants and urban producers could bring their goods

            ---
            I saw the markets where "the peasants brought" in the USSR. There were plenty of them. And I myself bought very good meat in these markets for 5 rubles, versus the store one for 3 rubles.
            Quote: Bar1
            Secondly, the peasants did not want to hand over bread for candy wrappers and tic-tac-toe, that is why they were subjected to violence by prodrazvorie and later "dispossession-collectivization".

            Provisional allocation began in 1916 by the decision of the State Duma. And it continued in a violent form without compensation from March 1917.
            And not just because of no shit, but because then there was a war and there was no one to sow grain.
            And now the MAIN THING. Collectivization is also not a damn thing to do. And from the fact that the consolidation of farms under market relations is ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE. So lie to me here about some kind of paradise "free market" - no need! The big ones crush the small ones "freely" and everywhere. Large farms are more productive. And the small peasant doesn't care if the kulak will ruin him, which gives grain for sowing "use" (return half of the harvest). Or join the collective farm.

            People like you haven't even learned to lie. You have at the same time, and the collective farmers were robbed by the state and the collective farms lived on subsidies from the state and did not produce anything. For information, according to Rosstat, only in 2015 in the Russian Federation the meat production was restored at the level of the RSFSR of 1989. Moreover, at the expense of poultry, which they learned to grow on hormones.
            1. 0
              21 February 2021 18: 44
              Quote: ivan2022
              I saw the markets where "the peasants brought" in the USSR. They were full


              I have already said. Markets under the USSR were the markets of private traders of their personal plots and summer cottages, and not markets like the Novgorod Fair, where goods were brought by both large and small manufacturers, but also urban goods.
              Quote: ivan2022
              Provisional allocation began in 1916 by the decision of the State Duma. And it continued in a violent form without compensation from March 1917.


              the surplus appropriation system under the Republic of Ingushetia and the surplus appropriation system under the Bolsheviks, it was a big difference. Under the Republic of Ingushetia, they did not destroy the markets where the peasants could bring grain and sell it. Under the Bolsheviks, markets were IMMEDIATELY destroyed and a system of bureaucratic distribution was introduced. the Bolsheviks, the peasantry no longer trusted the state, and apparently there was a reason.
              In addition, there were large landowners' farms in RI, and under the Soviets the land was already divided by the peasants, who could not sell their crops and were forced to surrender their sovereignty for a penny and therefore did not surrender. In response, the Bolsheviks simply requisitioned grain, and the peasants responded with uprisings and poured people's blood. In response, the Bolsheviks declared everyone to be kulaks and bandits and began to gasse and shoot the people with guns.

              Quote: ivan2022
              And from the fact that the consolidation of farms under market relations is ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE.


              here is probably the most important thing. I already talked about the Russian community and the Russian world. It was a self-organizing society, when the peasant community itself worked in the fields and itself sold agricultural products in the markets through SELECTED merchants from the community.
              Was the Russian peasant community left after the thief? We know little about this, apparently it stayed. In the village there were not only fragmented small owners, poor peasants / farm laborers, middle peasants and wealthy peasants, but there was still a society that was the peasant world. It was a society of producers. And it was against this society that the crafty "collectivization" was directed, because the rural collective is the POWER of the people in the countryside.
              And what we are told about "through a strip" of private traders and about the fragmentation of allotments, it was all a lie.
              It was all about power, who produced and who traded, he actually had power. The Bolsheviks wanted to have power in the countryside, i.e. Dictate prices and distribute goods, that is, they swept away any market.

              Quote: ivan2022
              Moreover, at the expense of poultry, which they learned to grow on hormones.

              Do you approve of this, or what? Only idiots can voluntarily eat chemistry.
              1. 0
                22 February 2021 10: 25
                [quote = Bar1] I have already said. Markets under the USSR were the markets of private owners of their personal plots and summer cottages, and not markets like the Novgorod Fair, where goods were brought by both large and small manufacturers, but urban goods were attacked. [/ quote [quote = Bar1]

                Hehe, that's stubborn! This is how your brains were given. Sorry. The market is the market. If "goods were brought in" and prices are not set by the state, this is the market. Even from the dacha, even from the nag, even in the USSR, even where .. In the USSR, the markets were collective farm. And we went there to sell not only from their personal plots, but also from collective farms. Whole rows were marked with the names of collective farms. And the collective farms were not state. enterprises.
                1. +1
                  22 February 2021 10: 44
                  Quote: ivan2022
                  And we went there to sell not only from their personal plots, but also from collective farms.


                  the collective farms and state farms had a plan for handing over to the state. The plan is a law. For the failure of the plan, they could have removed and planted even during the Brezhnev era.
                  And to the markets the collective farms exported what was left OVER the plan. And since in the USSR there was always a vicious practice to add to the plan additionally those who manage, those who drag, then the collective farms brought little to the market.
                  In addition, have you ever wondered why the Bolsheviks closed and then destroyed the fairs, the same Novgorod fair?
                  That's how it was. This is NOT a natural Bolshevik approach to economics.
                  And why so, do you at least understand something or not?
                  The article itself is called paternalism-authority of power. an article about power. And the power belongs to the one who controls the flows of goods and sets the rules, but the whole point is that if you start to manage goods and distribute goods, then prices will inevitably jump up, because an official is squeezed between the producer and the buyer who wants to have his own granny piece of pie.
                  Therefore, to the progressive exchange of commodity producers in the free market, any distribution of commodities is economically regressive, not progress.
                  The more this regulation, consider power, the higher the prices are, therefore this kind of "socialism" is of course not socialism, but parasitolism, when a bunch of parasites appear in the form of power.
              2. 0
                22 February 2021 10: 46
                Quote: Bar1
                Do you approve of this, or what? Only idiots can voluntarily eat chemistry.

                It is of course, if there is nothing to cover, you can be rude .... A universal argument!
                Quote: Bar1
                It was all about power, who produced and who traded, he actually had power.

                Heh, heh ... and when it was not about the authorities? Maybe 300 years ago? Maybe now? If big capital rules, it sets prices.
                It is only the descendants of serfs who can live in the world of "free market, muzhik paradise", "epics of antiquity" with the terrible three-headed Bolsheviks who "wanted" something there, invented by them. There was no economic need! Everything they did, they did because "the Bolsheviks in the terrible USSR wanted so." There were no holy market relations, but people with dog heads lived ... Your remarks, all such nonsense is the best confirmation of the words of the Author about dense peasant paternalism. Did not notice ?
                1. +1
                  22 February 2021 10: 59
                  Quote: ivan2022
                  It is of course, if there is nothing to cover, you can be rude .... A universal argument!


                  want to consume hormones? Yes, please, you will be like state niggas over, over, over size.

                  Quote: ivan2022
                  It is only the descendants of serfs who can live in their own world of "free market, peasant paradise", "epics of deep antiquity" with the terrible three-headed Bolsheviks who "wanted" something there


                  if you were engaged in history or at least visited here regularly, you might know that before Peter in Russia there was a complete prosperity in everything, especially in food. This was noted by foreign ambassadors and travelers of those times of the 16-17 centuries.
                  -Juan Persian
                  -Adam Olearius
                  -Pavel Alepsky
                  -baron Herberstein.
                  There was so much food that they simply carried it out on the road to give it to someone. Peasant women wore pearls and brocade, like boyars, as the ambassadors of the Russian society of that time celebrated.
                  And why? And one has only to live in accordance with the laws of nature and society, and there will always be prosperity and prosperity in society.
                  And today's society is when the minority accumulates unthinkable wealth, and the majority lives in poverty. This is slavery in a new way.
                  It is the FREE MARKET that is both the path of progress and power at the same time.
              3. 0
                22 February 2021 10: 55
                Quote: Bar1
                It was a self-organizing society, when the peasant community itself worked in the fields and itself sold agricultural products in the markets through SELECTED merchants from the community.


                If a society is "self-organizing" - then it does not need the State either. Why then the police, courts, internal troops, if there is such a universal democracy? This is what the communists wrote about when they talked about the classless society of the future.
                Nonsense of dreamers who do not understand that any state apparatus at all times is an apparatus of violence.
                And about the "elected merchants" - this is the finish! The merchants were of a higher class than the draft peasants. A society divided by Imperial Laws in fact into castes; "estates and
                1. +1
                  22 February 2021 11: 19
                  Quote: ivan2022
                  If a society is "self-organizing" - then it does not need the State either.


                  yes it was. Russian society has always had its own governing bodies in the form of popular assemblies.
                  -public Veche-calling / removal of the prince for military action, in the evening
                  - Cossack circle-election / re-election of the chieftain
                  -Mirskaya rural community in the village.
                  What kind of police do the Cossacks need? No, they did everything themselves, if someone was guilty, then he was punished at a general meeting / circle and this was not the case anymore.
                  The cities used to be not the same as they are now - megalopolises, but small cities-fairs / marketplaces, industrial production was also established there, and by no means always it was in the cities. Many factories in Russia were in villages and small cities. And this is confirmed by the finds of archaeologists old abandoned factories all over Russia.

                  Quote: ivan2022
                  Nonsense of dreamers who do not understand that any state apparatus at all times is an apparatus of violence.


                  no, this is not so, because in a society where all are relatives of each other, the level of trust in such a society is high and in such a society the crime rate is low and tending to zero and no violence is required or in a minimal form.

                  Quote: ivan2022
                  And about the "elected merchants" - this is the finish! The merchants were of a higher class than the draft peasants.


                  you don’t know anything.
                  There was such a historian, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Professor Pyzhikov, so it was he who discovered, it turns out that he discovered the peculiarities of the Russian world.

              4. 0
                22 February 2021 11: 00
                Quote: Bar1
                self-organizing society, when the peasant community itself worked in the fields


                Yes, this is no longer funny .... In a class society with serfdom - a level of democracy that is not attainable even now anywhere in the world?
                1. +1
                  22 February 2021 12: 03
                  Quote: ivan2022
                  Yes, this is no longer funny .... In a class society with serfdom - a level of democracy that is not attainable even now anywhere in the world?


                  democracy is not the power of the demos, but of the demon.
                  And at the expense of modern imposed cliches and prejudices, then so.
                  According to the theory of Scientific Communism, there are 5 types of social and economic structures.
                  -primitive communal
                  -slavery
                  -feudalism
                  -capitalism
                  -socialism / communism
                  moreover, this textbook says that such an alignment was made by Marx himself.
                  But opening the work of Marx, we see that Marx divided human periods not like this, but like this.
                  -ancient period
                  -feudal way
                  -German way

                  but then who has so impudently remade Marx himself? And these were the Stalinist theorists of "scientific communism" and they "creatively reworked" Marx.
                  This is the "story" left to us by the Bolsheviks.
        2. Fat
          0
          16 February 2021 16: 09
          Is the "fair price for the product" sabotage against the government? However, it was thanks to the world crisis that the USSR retained its independence and developed into an advanced industrial power. Then the party chose the only correct path.
          But Stalin warned about the possible consequences. And it’s too bad that the events went according to the worst scenario.
    3. +1
      16 February 2021 11: 13
      Here is this maxim of Stalin in general, some kind of casuistry. Stalin says that the Bolsheviks should stand on the ground and have a connection with the people, but at first, under war communism, they took away agricultural products from the peasants, which led to peasant uprisings, then they took away the land from the peasants altogether, which led to famines and the creation of the most inefficient agriculture in the world.

      1. +2
        16 February 2021 12: 07
        Don't confuse Stalin with Khrushchev. Although you do not even know what NEP is. Okay, at least you can distinguish between Peter I and Vladimir Putin.
        1. +1
          16 February 2021 12: 18
          Quote: EvilLion
          Don't confuse Stalin with Khrushchev. Although you do not even know what NEP is. Okay, at least you can distinguish between Peter I and Vladimir Putin.


          damn people like you who don't even read the article you just have to kill on the spot. This is an excerpt from Stalin, which the author cited in the article.
  2. +4
    16 February 2021 05: 29
    Oh, it will start soon.

    Recently I learned that there are "millennials", and now there are "buzzers".
    Who will be the messiah-leader born in 2000?

    What the Brave New World will be like.

    And the lyrics are good.
    Vital. The roads of a man are a breadwinner and depend on work and friends.

    Dreams are subtle matter.
    And you think - about the dear. And it cannot work otherwise.
  3. +11
    16 February 2021 05: 30
    All right, khana to the kitten! Yes, Vyacheslav Yaroegovich - this must be able to annoy everyone, literally everyone -
    In essence, the work of Vyacheslav Olegovich is the view of the intelligentsia from the outside. The view is unpopular and, alas, not objective. In fact, all the postulates are controversial, but okay, the truth is born in a dispute !!!
    Let's start, minus 100, this is not the bottom, but only the beginning!
    All the good days!
    1. +7
      16 February 2021 05: 53
      Good afternoon, Vladislav!

      We will raise the topic: what is the intelligentsia?
      Will we remember Lokhankin Vasisualia?
      1. +5
        16 February 2021 08: 44
        We will raise the topic: what is the intelligentsia?
        "Declassed elements - in the first row!" (FROM)
      2. +4
        16 February 2021 11: 45
        Quote from Korsar4
        We will raise the topic: what is the intelligentsia?
        Will we remember Lokhankin Vasisualia?

        Since 1919, one of the "peasants" aptly glued the "lousy" label to the "intelligentsia"!
        In 1991 - again, probably not without their participation, they presented a "kitchen" with a chase!
        The peasantry, as such, is a very broad concept in itself. In the Russian Empire, with all the scarcity of opportunities to rise, people achieved big and small. For example, Menshikov, Demidov, Lomonosov and many others. Whether this was the rule, probably still an exception, which, due to economic processes, became the rule.
        Example, white generals! In fact, getting to the top gave you education, talent and protection!
        What changed in 1917? Education has become more accessible and even compulsory. In fact, Vyacheslav Olegovich and Olegovich are right in saying that with the development of industrialization, the processes of "destruction" of the peasantry, as a mental self-awareness, began, but ...
        If in order, was there a possibility of industrialization, not to the detriment of the peasant economy? The answer is no!
        So the conflict was inevitable, all the same, the urban dweller would have to face the rural dweller. So "industrialization" like a vacuum cleaner pumped out human resources from the village. With all the pros and cons !!!
        The trouble is, not all "intellectuals" were ready for such competition. Hence, the breaking of stamps and claims to each other!

        In my opinion, the term "intelligentsia" is contrived. Although conditionally, the end itself can be attributed.
      3. +5
        16 February 2021 18: 13
        Quote from Korsar4
        We will raise the topic: what is the intelligentsia?

        Intelligentsia? smile
        The intelligentsia is people with a developed intellect, intellectuals (by the way, this is how it sounds in French). These are people who, from the same amount of information, can draw slightly more useful conclusions than others. The intelligentsia is different, even rural. In any village there is a man, as they say, "in authority", who is respected and whose opinion is attached - this is the intelligentsia.
        It is, if you will, the engine of progress and, at the same time, its indicator. This is science, art, culture, in general, creativity in all its manifestations, ranging from the improvement of agricultural tools such as the plow and the invention of new ways of hunting mammoths, and ending with philosophical reflections on the topic of paternalism. smile
        This is criticality and independence of thinking, based on knowledge accumulated over the centuries, eternal doubts and the search for something new, this is confusion and vacillation, when everyone tries to go his own way and, at the same time, is able to carry hundreds and thousands of others along with him, perhaps only so that later, when it turns out that this path is the most correct (or convenient), to be trampled by them.
        The concept of "intelligentsia" has nothing in common with the image of a half-drunk, unshaven, shabby peasant (certainly in sweatpants stretched out on his knees, bald and wearing glasses), talking about high matters in the kitchen with cockroaches, because the degraded intelligentsia is not in itself such.
        And the main feature of the intelligentsia, in my opinion, is the ability to create something new, something that did not exist before, in other words, the ability to create, and not just repeat.
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, as an unconditional representative of the intelligentsia, sets out in the article his view on some issues of Russian (Soviet) paternalism. But the intelligentsia, as a stratum of society, is different in that it can never and under no circumstances form a single, consolidated position on any occasion - there will always be those who think "a little differently", just "differently" and "completely different" ... smile So, as Vlad wrote -
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        the view of the intelligentsia from the outside

        does not roll here. smile Unless, if you say "some part of the intelligentsia."
        On the topic of the article - the author is largely right. But personally, I also remembered dialectics and looked for peasant paternalism, with which Vyacheslav Olegovich decided to "fight", the dialectical pair is the opposite. And the opposite is that the hope for a "good tsar" in our country inevitably generates a lack of trust in the leadership of the lower level, such as "bad boyars". Hence: "trust in God, do not make a mistake yourself", "the tsar favors, but the huntsman does not favor", "high up to God, far from the king", "the law is like a pillar - you cannot jump, but you can get around", etc.
        What do we end up with? A funny, in my opinion, paradox. Disbelief in the closest bosses, lack of hope for his help and support gave rise to the so-called "Russian ingenuity", independence and the ability to solve tasks of almost any complexity at their lower level without the help of the state - the main thing is not to interfere. Adapt something, replace something, do something yourself, steal something ... And also, for example, pull a child out of a hole without waiting for professional rescuers or rescue a grandmother from a burning house before the arrival of firefighters. And in war, this ingenuity and initiative, as we have always come in handy ...
        Do we want to kill such abilities in our compatriots? But this is the reverse of the medal, on the obverse of which the paternalism described by the author is visible.
        So, brothers, not everything is so simple. smile
        1. +3
          16 February 2021 19: 18
          The song is persistently recalled from "Don't be afraid, I'm with you":

          "There is no salvation for an intellectual from himself" (c).
          1. +3
            16 February 2021 21: 25
            Well, not that kind of intelligentsia and harmless, otherwise with the troubles that it brings to everyone, it would have been to the nail for a long time ... smile
            In such cases, I always remember another song:
            Smart is troublesome, d (y) cancer is boring
            You need something in between, but where can you get it ...
        2. Fat
          +1
          18 February 2021 17: 14
          Thank you, Mikhail, but although I am wearing sweatpants and glasses, I am a terribly hairy paternalist and very angry lately. On the tram, you don't have to rush to apologize when you step on your foot. I will hold back 70%.
          But I can and fatherly hard to argue ...
    2. 0
      16 February 2021 08: 23
      And today I learned a new term)))
      Well, I haven't heard before paernalism!)))
      Although I studied at the institute, I missed couples in moderation. In other words, they explained these reasons.
      My grandparents and grandmothers come from the village.
      Well, thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich. His articles are sometimes controversial, but these disputes are ... good, or what? I don't want to strangle my opponent))) wink
      1. +6
        16 February 2021 08: 32
        Igor, don't bother!
        In our country, this term has always been called "house building".
    3. Fat
      +6
      16 February 2021 16: 37
      hi
      "Paris is worth mass" (c) Vladislav, I liked the article. This is bold, but wildly controversial, although that way by two-thirds, I point of view V.O. sorry. In the end, I personally am an "intellectual", only it is not known in what generation. Great-grandfather was a "landowner" lol from the military ... Grandfather, first a "peasant", then a proletarian at an arms factory, father ... He worked as a teacher after the war. Mom graduated from Kazan University (economics), worked all her life in a state bank. Grandfather was an accountant at Izhmash.
      Father to his last breath is a communist and an atheist ...
      And I still respect the president's "rascal". Paternalist? Only that I don't want discord and confusion? Is it my problem that I hate marauders of any color, no matter what legal clothes they may wear? Always in the event of a "bad" change of power, a brazen thief replaces a moderate thief. I will resist this to the best of my ability. I stand on that.
      1. +5
        16 February 2021 17: 50
        Quote: Thick
        In the end, I personally am an "intellectual", only it is not known in what generation.

        I will smile! I calculated my great-great-great-grandfather from the archives of the gendarmerie surveillance.
        "A student of a mining school (such and such, such and such) of the peasants, was taken under supervision, as not trustworthy ...."
        In fact, he was a serf worker at the Ural plant, like all my other ancestors, with the exception of 1/8 Cossacks (in the metric, peasants from Miass) and 1/8 of Chuvash blood. Although the fact that from the peasants, still in the wild is written with a pitchfork. Since the data are post-revolutionary, and the great-grandfather managed to fight for the whites and for the reds, however, as a director of the sausage shop and mill, he was eventually repressed.
        The rest were divided from simple coal burners and blacksmiths, to managers of mining plants and dam craftsmen. Then both main lines were taken to the internal affairs bodies! Although everyone except me had a second technical education, and my father even worked as a rolling mill change foreman. So who am I "anti-ligent" or "cop", I tend to the second! Moreover, given that my great-grandfather married the daughter of a policeman on his own head, I can be proud that he is in the fifth generation!
        As for the perception of the political situation, my position is simple. Any revolution is blood and misfortune. You can love or not love power, but it is necessary to realize your will within the established framework. Going beyond the flags is the Civil War, territorial losses, devastation. Twice this rake was stepped on in 1917 and 1991 - that's enough. Not satisfied, express your disagreement in the elections! The rest is from the evil one.
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        2. Fat
          +1
          16 February 2021 22: 01
          Vladislav, I deleted my comment not because of any rejection. There are simply no words, as if I took it off my tongue. Social transformations above the roof were enough for mine. Grandma's relatives scattered around the world. Great-grandfather tried to lay hands on himself when the local "dispossessed".
          They rehabilitated, but they had to merge into the city anyway, out of sin. You don't need to be a historian to know what "repairs" are ... and "priimok", Priimok -dar is "like a Far Eastern hectare" only in the Vyatka province and 150 years earlier .... and not a vulgar hectare ... and how much strength is enough. Grandfather had enough charm of the Guards, and took the first 17 families with him. And wow, there were some repairs, people still live there (to be honest) I remember the first few families. Because Uncle Pasha, a fellow countryman of his father, fought with his father, along the way he carried him to Our shore. And when Pasha said that "our" estate is still working properly, the sisters almost fell into a mess. God forbid from such an inheritance. My father said nothing, I, as an older man, then the same. I hate agriculture and the courts.
          Well, the local landlord, I had to entrust my sons-in-law, but then they had enough other troubles in abundance ...
          Life is like that.
          Politics? Yes, EBN had nothing but the buzz from the defeat of the "White House"
          My father left during the "uprising", my mother was glad that my father did not know.
          She lived after a short time, until the beginning of March.
          They looked, hanging their legs down from the cloud, and called each other by name and ... they probably saw us ...
          That's it.
          1. 0
            16 February 2021 22: 09
            Quote: Thick
            I hate farming

            Well, you Kazel, zhirtrest.
            1. +2
              16 February 2021 22: 30
              Vladimir, do not get boiled over! Everyone puts their own in this concept. Someone 6 acres, and some 12 hectares.
              For me, a vegetable garden is a basic factor in the stability of my family and a component of prosperity. Potatoes, parking, cabbage, tomatoes, cucumbers and much more, depending on the season, are not bought in the store, but taken from the cellar. As a result, money is saved, which is spent on something else.
              Many people I know live differently, this is their choice.
            2. Fat
              +2
              16 February 2021 23: 21
              Yes, city Casel and some other hi There are acquaintances, a stick is stuck in the ground, after a couple of years - an apple tree ... Wonderful, but not mine. Craftsman and builder. A bull is a bull, a locksmith is a locksmith, and a god is a god ... laughing
        3. -1
          17 February 2021 14: 22
          "You can love or not love the power, but you need to realize your will within the established framework."

          Here is an interesting question, but what, for example, is the option to realize your will, in a situation where the "framework" just contains a direct ban on the implementation of your will?
          1. +1
            17 February 2021 14: 34
            An example in the studio?
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          1. +3
            18 February 2021 06: 26
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            And despite all the negativity, revolution is always a movement towards a better life.

            By and large, this is the exception, not the rule. An example of modern North Africa! How far have they rushed from outside after their color revolutions? Or is France a country of 4 revolutions and one misunderstanding, how sovereign is it today? How beautiful it started? Cappuccino, Laos, Cambodio, Brunney? They are only recovering from their revolutionary efforts.
            The revolution in our days, in our country, is blood and the inevitable Civil War. Do we need it?
            Example Ukraine! Macaques are those who think that they will sit out when they take out the prop from the genie lamp - revolution! She will sweep away everyone and everything !!!
            Now the question is, I did not drink vodka with you, so further on to you and with a capital letter.
            1. 0
              18 February 2021 23: 58
              What you say is sheer stupidity. It does not matter whether the revolution wins or not at the moment, the main thing is that in the end, step by step, humanity is moving forward. Of course, if this is not walking on the spot, which our caricature as liberal as opposition offers us. A revolution is needed to break the rotten old system. And change it to a new, more efficient one. This has always been the case in human history. Bughagaga, what about the American Revolution? Or "is it different"? But in fact, it is you who take the conversation aside and are engaged in demagoguery. laughing One must be frankly naive to the point of stupidity in order to hope that as a result of the bourgeois elections, radically affect the situation in the country. Also tell me that this can be done with the help of meetings. Sanctioned or not, don't care. For example, when all this furgalschina began, I knew how to end up. Actually, there is no need to be a man of seven spans in the forehead. Well, let's say I passed a law on the seizure of any of your property in my favor, it's like I'm the bourgeoisie, and you're the people smile How do you think I will be worried about your indignation within the framework of the law passed in my favor? Well, will you make some noise somewhere in a place specially designated for you and the same naive as you, and what? Never mind. It won't ruin my life in any way. It's another matter if you get into my pocket with strikes and other revolutions. Then yes. You can make temporary concessions well, or under the slogans what all these ungrateful slaves are to suppress performances with iron and blood. And no need to talk about Ukraine to nausea, this filthy hackneyed protective rhetoric is tired.
          2. Fat
            +1
            18 February 2021 15: 32
            Bro! this is the evolution of everything. With macaques for "banana" with-Fighting on the net in the early 90s yet. Sorovshchina got it, and your pranks are the same ... outdated. On a paternalist who has gone nuts in his world, your words are worthless "oversalting", for which the owner of the house has the right to endow the mistress with a fault (in housebuilding) with a sharp rejection. I hope I was mild in expression.
            1. Fat
              +1
              18 February 2021 15: 47
              Yes, there was one really powerful revolution, a couple of million years to that occasion.
              Result? Dinosaurs are extinct. bully
  4. +10
    16 February 2021 05: 43
    What else is paternalism bad? But what: it generates many ideological "squires" who are ready in every way to praise the wisdom of the leaders and to justify in the eyes of people even the most negative of their actions and decisions, since "the father will not say and do bad things." It is expressed in the imperceptible implantation in the public consciousness of ideas about the infallibility of the holders of the supreme power, their deification and at the same time tacit agreement with any unlimited arbitrariness, lack of rights and servility of subjects, the denial of any freedom and democracy.

    I agree. "The king is good, the boyars are bad" from the same song.
  5. +3
    16 February 2021 06: 05
    Brad. request
    First, the revolution of 1905-1907, then the First World War, the revolution of 1917, the Civil War of 1918-1922, industrialization, collectivization, "Yezhovism", the Great Patriotic War, "the defeat of the cult of personality" and a host of other perturbations affecting both on the economy and on the consciousness of our citizens.
    belay The same analysis for Germany in the studio .... what
    1. +1
      16 February 2021 06: 23
      Swipe. And show me. It will be interesting.
    2. +3
      16 February 2021 09: 27
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      The same analysis for Germany in the studio ....

      Shpakovsky and analysis, but you need hot ice! laughing
      1. Fat
        +1
        16 February 2021 17: 05
        Yes there is. V.O. there are priorities, and you, Vladimir?
        Of course, a "party of moderate progress within the framework of the law" is now possible. And what do you personally want for yourself and your family now, and not in a generation? Swaras? I doubt it!
        Shpakovsky gave us the opportunity to reflect on what everyone wants for themselves, the family.
        Well, thanks for that. There is no ice scalding there, from an honest person.
        Do not play the fool when you live quite tolerably.
        And you, you quite allow yourself.
        Oh, my friends told me girls, first kiss, and then "be smart" ... recourse
        1. +2
          17 February 2021 03: 07
          Quote: Thick
          Shpakovsky gave us the opportunity to reflect
          Very funny! (Not really)
    3. +1
      17 February 2021 12: 32
      In fact, with Germany, it's not all that simple either. Loss of Alsace following WWI. Bavarian and other people's republics. The USSR had large spending on the army in the Interbellum, and Germany paid reparations, so it was difficult for both. She didn't have to carry out industrialization, it had already taken place, although the conditions were so-so there (in large cities by the end of the 19th century there was a concept of "bed renter" - people slept in shifts in one bed https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki / Tenants_beds)
      Instead of Yezhovism - nights of long knives, crystal night. WWII was also. And after that there was no longer Germany as such, Germany was pumped up with dollars from the outside. Although now, 35 years later, they are divided into Ossi and Vessey
  6. +5
    16 February 2021 06: 07
    Stalin is good, Khrushchev is a maize worker, Brezhnev is nothing, but "Marked" has destroyed everything ... Well, how much can you? Where have the people been all this time? I was engaged in "Odobryams" - all in the best, again, traditions of paternalistic culture.

    good Golden words
    1. +5
      16 February 2021 06: 13
      The people worked. Sometimes he drank.
      Where is the line separating in our case the plebeians from the patricians.
      I think there is a process of formation of estates.

      Very painful.
      Moreover, against the background of continued concentration of capital.
      1. +5
        16 February 2021 06: 31
        Very simple and clear - education. Quality education. Mostly overseas. And money for that. In very rare cases, you come across talented children who independently enter Bauman and Moscow State University (for example). In very rare cases, they are able to support themselves while studying in Moscow, not without the help of their parents. The two above categories are the future patricians hi
        1. +10
          16 February 2021 06: 48
          Probably disagree.
          There is self-education.

          It so happened that lately I have come across Baumanka. I have been communicating with the University for a long time.

          Yes. University mark. But there is also a layer cake. And the horizons are being developed.
          The University is often far from practice.

          As for Baumanka: I came to a disappointing conclusion - students are not always loved there.

          Is it possible to get a decent education in regional universities?
          My answer is you can.

          Although it is probably more difficult every year.
          1. +4
            16 February 2021 07: 04
            Self-education - certainly. But. What I see here ... lacks the versatility and subtlety of perception that is inherent in a well-educated American or British. Analysis and traditions of analysis of philosophers, psychoanalysts, artists and writers are absent.
            As for Baumanki, he took an example from the lamp. Prestigious and high-quality, as far as possible, the capital's university.
            As for regional institutions, the system must be broken. High-quality training of the teaching staff, more funding for big salaries ... and the inevitability of punishment for bribes.
            Then yes, it will work out
            1. +5
              16 February 2021 07: 22
              Maugham also remarked: "In no Russian novel do heroes go to a museum or an art gallery."

              The system is already breaking down.
              But what is being replaced by?
              Rewriting papers.

              And the idea of ​​choosing 40 universities - and there to create "Heaven on Earth" - is not an idea.

              Scientometrics is the wrong way.
              And the leaven can be a combination of tradition and modernity, without contamination.
              1. +6
                16 February 2021 07: 53
                Yes, bribery in education must be eliminated. And it will be ok.
                1. Fat
                  +2
                  18 February 2021 17: 44
                  This is not enough. Alas for Us.
                  The normal professorship is not enough, the Fatherland should not bother. A couple - three good assistants at all. This is very bad.
                  Bribes are an inevitable evil with such a ... common "kake".
                  and for the "financial elite" - all education should be paid, they will not go bankrupt.
                  And God bless them, let them choose between "Christ Church" and the Ivy League, only for "blood"
                  Not a prosecutor, for example, I ... I can condemn others, but it's pointless.
                  Fuck, how many times he conveyed sympathetic greetings to the creatively unhealthy "Mara" ....
                  1. +2
                    18 February 2021 17: 55
                    I wrote about this, Andrey Borisovich
              2. +5
                16 February 2021 09: 05
                Scientometrics
                Is it now the so-called bureaucracy in the field of science and education?
                1. +3
                  16 February 2021 10: 15
                  This inquisitorial system deserves a separate story.
                  But globally it is not very different from the "likes" system. And harmful.
                  1. +4
                    16 February 2021 10: 18
                    I know. I lived with a teacher for six years.
                    1. +3
                      16 February 2021 10: 21
                      So you know practically from the inside.
                      1. +1
                        16 February 2021 19: 41
                        Not without it.
              3. +7
                16 February 2021 09: 10
                Maugham also remarked: "In no Russian novel do heroes go to a museum or an art gallery."
                Maugham is still an expert on Russian culture.
                1. +3
                  16 February 2021 10: 17
                  View from the outside. But the writer is talented.
                  Incidentally, while "Petrovich" Makanin came to my mind.
                  1. +3
                    16 February 2021 10: 20
                    Looking from the outside
                    From the inside too.
                    1. +3
                      16 February 2021 10: 22
                      Yes. He also spied on us.
              4. BAI
                +2
                16 February 2021 13: 15
                Literally like this:
                I don’t remember a Russian novel in which at least one of the characters would have visited an art gallery

                No museum. But these are particulars. Said in 1917 ..
                Can you give an example from foreign literature before 1917, where the characters visited an art gallery or museum?
                1. +4
                  16 February 2021 20: 04
                  Just the first thoughts - Maugham himself. But obviously later. "Vacation in Paris", "Moon and Penny", etc.

                  The Forsyte Saga - later? Remarque also later.

                  Dickens? Balzac? Maupassant? Jerome?
            2. +2
              16 February 2021 13: 20
              Please take the risk. Even if someone publicly agrees, he will keep a fig in his pocket. "High-quality training", but what to do with the previous staff? And you can't change the whole system overnight.
          2. +4
            16 February 2021 17: 59
            Quote from Korsar4
            Is it possible to get a decent education in regional universities?
            My answer is you can.


            The quality of regional universities is growing from year to year.
            By the way, you can study at Moscow State University, but you won't get a crust of knowledge! The most important thing is motivation.
            How is it with Lomonosov - "The Russian land is capable of giving birth to both Platons and Newtons!"
            1. +4
              16 February 2021 20: 06
              “And maybe own Platonov
              And fast with the mind of Neutons
              Russian land to give birth "(c).
        2. Fat
          +3
          16 February 2021 20: 26
          Albert. There are such people in my generation, even to take classmates. Themselves, themselves ... Moscow State University, Baumanka, MITHT ... and the wagons at the vegetable warehouse ...
          Never "patrician" workaholics are frostbitten (yes I am). Nobody has the inclination to steer.
          I hope for our younger ones, that is, the eighties in the first place. They were already eating a spoonful of grief and learning about life. But I don't know many, alas ...
          1. +2
            16 February 2021 20: 47
            So this is the patrician. hi
      2. +2
        16 February 2021 07: 38
        http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_51534/338ab21583732c497d5158fae3e6b83105b776f0/ Табель о рангах свой у нас есть уже)
        1. +8
          16 February 2021 07: 54
          Oh, okay.

          “You are nobody's slave, and nobody’s master.
          Truly, your friend is lucky ”(c).
      3. +4
        16 February 2021 09: 40
        The people worked. Sometimes he drank.

        If about the Soviet era, then rather the opposite.

        Hello, Sergey. hi
        1. +5
          16 February 2021 10: 18
          Hi Constantine!
          It was in every way.
          Generalizations roughen up.
        2. +5
          16 February 2021 12: 31
          We can do both together.
          Kostya, good day
          1. +6
            16 February 2021 12: 54
            Hello, Sergey! hi
            That's for sure - we can do a lot, and even more can. laughing drinks
            1. +6
              16 February 2021 20: 42
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Hello, Sergey! hi
              That's for sure - we can do a lot, and even more can. laughing drinks

              And the cat is for what ???
              I will smile! The cat in the food chain is higher than the dog. Why? Because when the dog is under the tree, the cat is in the tree! laughing
              1. +7
                16 February 2021 21: 00
                Cats, they are generally interesting people. drinks
            2. +3
              16 February 2021 21: 08
              Kostya, you find funny pictures as always. It's hard to compete with you here
              PS. I'm not Sergei, but Slava. These are slightly different names.
              However, one friend stubbornly calls me: Uncle Vadik "
              1. +2
                17 February 2021 18: 20
                I beg your pardon, Buddy, this is all from permanent insomnia. And now my head is like a cast-iron cauldron, although I slept for almost half a day. I got fed up with this curse. request
          2. Fat
            +3
            16 February 2021 20: 50
            Surprising and true ... wassat Cinnamon does not spoil coffee. Hello Svyatoslav hi
            1. +3
              17 February 2021 19: 31
              The most delicious coffee, which has so far been met with cinnamon.
              1. Fat
                +2
                17 February 2021 19: 57
                My beloved woman made me coffee with garlic. Song!
                1. +3
                  17 February 2021 20: 21
                  What the beloved woman does is all a song.

                  "Who is young - to that wormwood, like honey" (c).
                  1. Fat
                    +2
                    17 February 2021 21: 42
                    Minnesinger! laughing
                    And now Khlyupek the Dostoslavny comes out on the lists, with a height of half an arshin, wielding a sword-Zweigander, three times exceeding his weight! Shudder, Dear viewers! .... Gasps and pauses in time, each phrase honed to the point of complete impossibility ...
                    1. +3
                      17 February 2021 21: 46
                      Villon is a genius.
                      1. Fat
                        +2
                        17 February 2021 21: 58
                        Quote from Korsar4
                        Villon is a genius

                        Undoubtedly!
                        I am François, which is not happy,
                        Alas, the death of the villain awaits,
                        And how much does this ass weigh
                        The neck will soon recognize.

                        Whose translation I do not know, Alas. But cool to the ideal!
                      2. +2
                        17 February 2021 22: 02
                        Offhand - Korneeva.
                        But "The Ballad of Proverbs" is more like a different version.
                      3. +3
                        17 February 2021 22: 07
                        Obnatushki. This is Ilya Ehrenburg.
                        So familiar that I was sure that it was from a favorite series of books, where Korneev's translations.
                      4. Fat
                        +2
                        17 February 2021 22: 48
                        Thank you, Sergei, otherwise, we often use old-fashioned phrases, without even remembering those who first introduced them into everyday life ...
                      5. +3
                        17 February 2021 22: 52
                        Villon just understands quotes.
                        But what a school of translators we have.

                        Thank you. The question asked is also catchy. And a lot leads to the system.
                      6. Fat
                        +2
                        17 February 2021 23: 14
                        Come on, for your compliment, undeserved,
                        and there are a lot of exceptional "interpreters" in both the Old, imperial, Russia, the USSR, and in modern times.
                        For some reason I single out Marshak, I got to know Burns only through his translations.
                        Awesomely I like the translation of "Alice", and there not one foot trampled.
                        There is an awesome 1982 edition with comments by Martin Gardner, maybe you know the translator. Tell me! My gratitude will have no boundaries, within reason (C)
                      7. +2
                        17 February 2021 23: 22
                        Demurova.
                        I was given an amazing edition a few years ago, but I only admired it for a few days and put it off.

                        Of the translators, Lozinsky and Zabolotsky are simply brilliant.
                        Zabolotsky is very close as a poet, although he was caught late.

                        And fantasy translated by Nora Gal!

                        But "Faust", unlike most connoisseurs, is more pleasant in Pasternak's translation.
                      8. Fat
                        +2
                        17 February 2021 23: 45
                        So, all the same, Demurova ...
                        BARMAGLOT

                        Cuddled. Cocktail Shawls
                        They were poking around,
                        And the grimaces were grunting,
                        Like muamziki in mov.
                        Fear the Jabberwock, son!
                        He's so swirling and wild
                        And in the wilderness a giant is roaring -
                        Vicious Brandashmyg!
                        But he took the sword, and he took the shield,
                        High is full of thoughts.
                        In the globach his path lies
                        Under the tree Tumtum.
                        He stood under a tree and waits.
                        And suddenly thunder rumbled -
                        The terrible Barmaglot flies
                        And blazes with fire!
                        One-two, one-two! The grass is burning
                        Vz-vz - shears the sword,
                        Alas! Alas! And the head
                        Drumming off the shoulders
                        Oh my shining boy!
                        You won the battle!
                        Brave hero
                        I sing your praise! Slinky shorts
                        Puffed about.
                        And the grimaces were grunting,
                        Like muamziki in mov.

                        "Very nice rhymes," said Alice thoughtfully, "but it's _not so easy_ to understand them.
                        It's easy to translate, you open every word like a wallet, and there are two halves ...
                        .... Nava is the grass under the sundial, half of the day it slopes to the left, and in the afternoon - to the right ...
                      9. +2
                        17 February 2021 23: 55
                        Not immediately accepted "Alice".

                        I liked very much the epigraphs to 'Pioneers' by Cooper from The Hunt for the Snark.
                      10. Fat
                        +2
                        18 February 2021 00: 10
                        Oh, Sergei. So far I got hold of the first edition with Gardner's comments. I did not even suspect that such a text is possible. And with illustrations by Tenniel, Dodgson's friend (Do-do)
                        Snark hunting is cool, but all the translations were mediocre ... they say not to throw words out ...
                        Let the mathematicians suffer. In the end, Poincaré's conjecture is proven for all common cases in 3 dimensions .... laughing
                      11. +3
                        18 February 2021 00: 15
                        Yes. That's it. I think what kind of version of "Alice" I got in high school. But it was in the summer and at the neighbors.

                        With the "Snark" too. Looked at different translations. And in memory - all the same epigraphs from childhood.
                      12. Fat
                        +2
                        18 February 2021 00: 35
                        Once in a distant galaxy, a paper book fell into my hands, as a law-abiding citizen of the empire, I was obliged to hand it over to the authorities, but amazing illustrations stopped me and I plunged into this amazing text. Honestly, but I didn't understand and didn't accept anything. And so the only paper ancient book lay on the shelf. Until her time has come ...
                        Freedom of thought struck me. If you want to bite off the mushroom, said the smoking caterpillar, if you want to bite off the other side ...
                        The retarded girl asked in shock "the other side of what"
                        --- Mushroom! said a stoned caterpillar ...
                      13. +2
                        18 February 2021 00: 40
                        This creative retelling of the story of a book not returned to the library?
                      14. Fat
                        +2
                        18 February 2021 01: 12
                        Bro! I honestly bought two copies of the second edition. And the first one reluctantly had to be returned to the owner, they don’t scribble books from friends. Fair exchange. There was nothing to offer then. I would have gotten an option later than 10 years later. Aki the lawyer of the unclean, I would even grieve the Virgin Mary from the true path to another encyclopedia ...)))))
                      15. +3
                        18 February 2021 01: 20
                        Today a friend bought a book of Chinese poetry from his hands. "Morning frost on maple leaves." Price for 1-3 cups of coffee in Moscow.

                        Someone else supports paper publications. But they are leaving more and more.

                        And we are from the last Mohicans.
                      16. Fat
                        +2
                        18 February 2021 01: 37
                        Not! You are the last of the minnesingers. Edition edition difference. Edition, second amended and
                        Corrected (sounds wonderful)
                        But in fact - often, huge perturbations
                        That is why I appreciate that other libraries will not lose anything. Fair exchange!
                        (in fact, a cunning deception, of course)
                      17. +2
                        18 February 2021 06: 23
                        This is, like, the hypostasis of Anton.
                        But I like the idea.

                        Will they be fed?
                      18. Fat
                        +2
                        18 February 2021 11: 52
                        Fairy tales ... as many as you like! drinks laughing
                      19. +2
                        18 February 2021 16: 03
                        You can last a couple of days. However, no one canceled pasture.
                      20. Fat
                        +2
                        18 February 2021 16: 37
                        Sergei, no offense. Come, we will make a barbecue and Hypatius ... I will show you through a small pull ... how the "brotherhood" exists. But in the Patriarch's chambers is a will. I myself was there only once, on occasion, the furniture was taken out due to the departure of the local "Vladyka"
                        New ... - I do not appreciate, although he is worthy of respect, does not accept "worldly grace" ... Sincerely believes ... - a rarity ... museum.
                        We are lucky if we visit the "Gate Temple" - the beauty is extraordinary, its restorers have been "straightening" for the public for a very long time ...
                        I haven't been for a long time, I hope it has become available already.
                      21. +3
                        18 February 2021 17: 19
                        Not that there were many, but I like the Kostroma region.
                        And Kologriv. And Bui and Ney.

                        I also got out with my family. And the Ipatiev Monastery is good. And the Museum of Wooden Architecture is also alive. I even got to the theater on a countermark.

                        So who knows. Suddenly everything will turn out.

                        Thank you very much for the invitation, Andrey Borisovich. It's tempting.
                        For now, just understand that the most urgent thing needs to be done.
                      22. 0
                        18 February 2021 07: 33
                        I also visit the library
                      23. Fat
                        +2
                        18 February 2021 01: 19
                        I read it in the original. But this edition just shook. Awesome.
                      24. +2
                        18 February 2021 01: 22
                        I will not appreciate the play on words.
                        Kipling tried. But with Shakespeare it didn't really work out.
                        There is nothing to be a bummer at school.
                      25. Fat
                        +1
                        18 February 2021 02: 04
                        Didn't it work with Shakespeare? Not each of us Marshak, we do not compete with the classics. But you can understand WHAT the translators have done for us, keeping the style, rhythm and content of each individual "thing" ...
                      26. +3
                        18 February 2021 06: 26
                        Marshak is Burns's translations for me.
                        And, of course, a separate world - Shakespeare's 66th sonnet.
                      27. Fat
                        +1
                        18 February 2021 14: 38
                        http://engshop.ru/shekspir-sonet-66-na_anglieskom/
                        I call death. I can't stand to see
                        Dignity that begs for alms
                        A mocking lie over simplicity,
                        Insignificance in luxurious clothes
                        And a false sentence to perfection
                        And virginity, abused roughly,
                        And inappropriate honor is a shame,
                        And power is held captive by toothless weakness,
                        And the frankness that is reputed to be stupidity,
                        And foolishness in the mask of a sage, a prophet,
                        And a closed mouth of inspiration
                        And righteousness in the service of vice.
                        Everything that I see around me is disgusting ...
                        But how can I leave you, dear friend!
                        Sonnet 66 translated by Samuil Marshak

                        But ... recourse
                      28. +2
                        18 February 2021 16: 09
                        Mezhirov:

                        “That there are no answers to my questions.
                        And there is no friend. Only the sound is empty.
                        And roads from Shakespeare's sonnets
                        Only 66th ".
                      29. +3
                        18 February 2021 07: 42
                        I like the translation of Pasternak and Marshak, but I don't remember Zabolotsky. Not really the greatest poetry fan
                      30. +2
                        18 February 2021 10: 14
                        "The Knight in the Panther's Skin", "The Word about Igor's Regiment" and much, much more.
                      31. Fat
                        0
                        19 February 2021 00: 23
                        Svyatoslav! You don't need to love poetry, She is in Us and Always with Us, we always remember our childhood ...
                        There was no nail
                        horseshoe is gone
                        There was no horseshoe - the horse limped,
                        The horse is lame, the commander is killed!
                        The cavalry is broken
                        The army is running.
                        The enemy enters the city,
                        Not sparing the prisoners
                        Because of,
                        there was no nail in the forge!
                        Do you remember? Bro!
                        (Marshak's translation is a ballad about a nail and a horseshoe, poems for children.)
                      32. +2
                        18 February 2021 07: 38
                        "thanks a lot. Come back again" (c)
            2. +1
              18 February 2021 07: 31
              I answer today. Yesterday the parking lot was major at work, and then at home.
              Cinnamon coffee? Haven't tried it yet. Now I take it in grains, with the flavor of Irish cream.
              1. Fat
                0
                18 February 2021 15: 07
                Svyatoslav, after the first smell of Coffee with a capital letter in pavilion 69 of VDNKh, I pinned myself to the Italian ... 2002 was in the yard. His name was Alexander (Well, his signature coffee is the same - "Alexander") We got into conversation to the best of our ability. Years 6, every year we met 2 times - talked ... Amazing Master. And the coffee of its roast and its name, I still "search and search", but unsuccessfully.
                And there was just something "espresso" ...
                In general, reading Heinlein, I realized that there are not many varieties of Coffee.
                The classic highlighted the main ones.
                1 Mocha
                2 Robusta
                3 Crushed coal
                I will add 1 more grade. In which position to place you choose yourself.
                "Made by a professional". laughing
                1. +1
                  18 February 2021 17: 14
                  Andre, right? If a professional cooks, then thick coal will be: "mocha" and vice versa, if hand-baked, then everything will be: "crushed coal".
                  I'm 20 years old, a little over 20, addicted to coffee, and in childhood and adolescence I had tea, a certain time of cocoa, and now coffee
                  1. Fat
                    0
                    18 February 2021 18: 09
                    You are right, Svyatoslav ... A master makes a candy from rubbish, and a mediocre amateur will not build anything from the best raw materials except warm brown water. request
      4. Fat
        +4
        16 February 2021 17: 20
        hi It's a very, very painful process, my daughter and I haven't talked about politics for 10 years ...
        A. She sometimes slips. I just grin to myself: "What did you expect from this (next) clicker" ...
        He says I want a jewelry manufacturing company in Switzerland (they have an office there). I answer - Russian cannot be Swiss. You will cook in euro sauce, you yourself dream about your native land. My elder nephew has been found there, in western Europe for many years. But all the same, he and his children are Russian. And this is not because the Russians are some extraordinary people. It's just that euro shit has bad adhesion to the Russian soul ...
        1. +2
          16 February 2021 20: 49
          I will say this - in Europe everything is much more honest and humane. And scanty class.
          1. Fat
            +2
            16 February 2021 23: 54
            Humane? Yes Yes. Highly.
            Breivik is complaining about the Internet connection in the "camera". Kapets! Kill 70 innocent compatriots and go complain about "unbearable conditions of detention."
            The apotheosis of humanism.
            Is it fair?
            1. +4
              17 February 2021 09: 50
              Honestly and humanely - any German pensioner and janitor have access to any operation and other medical procedure of any degree of complexity. We are talking about the highest world standards of medicine.
              It's humane.
              The German Deputy Ministry of Defense quit after it turned out that her son had used the Luftwaffe Bundeswehr military transport aircraft for a free flight.
              It's fair.
              If about prison - Brevik Breivik, and in Russia there would be money, in prison everything will be. Internet, girls, etc.
    2. +12
      16 February 2021 06: 43

      Krasnodar
      Today, 07: 07

      ,,, and what has changed? And now every iron is approved by the existing authorities.
      1. +5
        16 February 2021 07: 05
        "For there is no power more beautiful than the power of Caesar" (C)
        Duc has not changed for a long time
        1. +6
          16 February 2021 09: 43
          "Homeland is everything, the suzerain is nothing"
          And it will not change. drinks
        2. +7
          16 February 2021 10: 07
          ,,, that Caesar or the example of Paul I clearly demonstrates that the careless behavior of even an absolute emperor towards the noble classes can result in a sudden deterioration in health and loss of legal capacity. feel
        3. Fat
          +4
          16 February 2021 17: 42
          And nobody needs "global" changes. The Moscow financial elite literally crushed everything for themselves. We are moving quickly towards a state monopoly, or rather a mosmonopoly. And move the capital to, say, Novosibirsk, well, at least a part, say, the executive ... In vain did they fight for the digital government? Therefore, the unloved "Dima-iPhone" is still in trend - safety advice.
          1. Fat
            +2
            16 February 2021 17: 49
            I am "generally" satisfied with the central government, but without fanaticism .... Too many bad things in memory. But this is inevitable. Whom to entrust the country, when marauders, who have not stolen their "legitimate" around?
      2. +1
        16 February 2021 13: 06
        How else? NO power can do without "approvals"
        That the Horde khan, that the autocrat, that the general secretary, that the president, they long to hear "approvals".
        What's in Russia, what's in America everywhere and everywhere
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  8. +1
    16 February 2021 06: 11
    Paternalism (from Lat. Paternus - "paternal, paternal") is a system of relations in which the authorities provide for the needs of citizens, and citizens in exchange for this allow the authorities to dictate models of their behavior, both public and private.
    And why hell, I beg your pardon, the authorities still need, how not to provide the needs of the population?
    As for the dictatorship of a model of behavior - well, forgive me, any government in any country in the world is doing just that.
    1. +5
      16 February 2021 06: 23
      Quote: Dalny V
      Paternalism (from Lat. Paternus - "paternal, paternal") is a system of relations in which the authorities provide for the needs of citizens, and citizens in exchange for this allow the authorities to dictate models of their behavior, both public and private.

      But I don’t understand, but what, a can of sprats cannot be put on the table, must it be put on a plate?
      1. +9
        16 February 2021 06: 26
        As far as you need it.
        If you really want to eat. And together with a friend - you can do without ceremony.

        And we have already talked about sprats. In the current version, sprat in tomato sauce is better.
        1. 0
          16 February 2021 06: 28
          Quote from Korsar4
          As far as you need it.
          If you really want to eat. And together with a friend - you can do without ceremony.

          A can of canned food on the festive table. It is supposed to put the contents of the jar on a special plate or in a salad bowl, but ... it will do just fine, doesn't it ?! Everything is absolutely, the advantages of the social environment and its disadvantages are manifested in such little things! A scene from the film "The Irony of Fate ..."

          Here I do not understand nichrome.
          1. +14
            16 February 2021 06: 38
            The author gave an example:
            You can take a girl out of a village, but never a village from a girl.
            This is his attitude towards the villagers.
            1. +3
              16 February 2021 06: 46
              Quote: bubalik
              The author gave an example:
              You can take a girl out of a village, but never a village from a girl.
              This is his attitude towards the villagers.

              The author himself does not know how to cook, but teaches others how to organize a table? NOT GOOD. negative
              1. 0
                16 February 2021 08: 00
                The author himself doesn't know how to cook, but teaches others how to organize a table?
                The author suffered under Soviet rule, and now he shares his suffering.
                1. +1
                  16 February 2021 08: 07
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  The author suffered under Soviet rule, and now he shares his suffering.

                  The main thing is to hold the fork and spoon correctly!
                2. +5
                  16 February 2021 08: 18
                  The author suffered under Soviet rule, and now he shares his suffering.

                  Well, who would have doubted. For the author, a peasant is a savage.
          2. -1
            16 February 2021 06: 40
            I didn't understand nichrome
            There is no in you because there is no blue blood, no white bone. In short, you lack noble ambition and arrogance, unlike the author.
            PySy. And as for me, the sprats from the can always seemed tastier)))
          3. +5
            16 February 2021 06: 43
            I understand something like this.
            What is etiquette: convenient and beautiful.
            Only the way of life in each family is different.
            It depends on the possibilities. And needs.
            1. +7
              16 February 2021 07: 10
              Quote from Korsar4
              I understand something like this.
              What is etiquette: convenient and beautiful.
              Only the way of life in each family is different.
              It depends on the possibilities. And needs.

              And traditions. I eat hummus exclusively by raking it with my hand with pieces of flatbread laughing
              1. +9
                16 February 2021 07: 23
                What a lack of spirituality!
                1. +3
                  16 February 2021 07: 40
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  What a lack of spirituality!


                  Exactly. Everything is spiritless like theirs. Where are the fasteners ???
                  1. 0
                    16 February 2021 12: 22
                    You can't do without clamps. It's like a barrel without hoops
                2. +7
                  16 February 2021 07: 55
                  So the Romans slaughtered the Jewish aristocracy laughing
                  1. +7
                    16 February 2021 08: 16
                    No, Albert!
                    "An unpicked ticket doesn't work for an excuse!"
                    1. +3
                      16 February 2021 11: 43
                      I thought the cut ticket was enough request
                      1. +2
                        16 February 2021 19: 43
                        Don't you know this anecdote?
                      2. +1
                        16 February 2021 20: 31
                        No way soldier request Weiss nicht
                      3. +3
                        16 February 2021 20: 44
                        Come on!
                        "The end of the seventies. Peter. The Soviet hippar got a job to avoid criminal liability for parasitism. He got a job as a conductor. He walks on the tram and broadcasts:
                        - Peeply run tickets. Check tickets! If the ticket is prokotsan, then there is a cool excuse. If there is no ticket, then there will be a rotten bazaar. People, varning! An unpicked ticket doesn't work for an excuse! "
                      4. +3
                        16 February 2021 21: 06
                        Quite a St. Petersburg anecdote good
                      5. +3
                        16 February 2021 21: 14
                        Duc, Ely-Pali! Or am I not a St. Petersburg miserable?
                      6. +3
                        16 February 2021 21: 19
                        Hi Anton! Paaazvolte. This anecdote took place in Moscow too. wink
                      7. +3
                        16 February 2021 21: 30
                        Sergei, I'm having a little fun, no offense ...
                        "And there were hippans in the village too,
                        But all for a long time, alas, were taken away "(C)
                      8. Fat
                        +3
                        17 February 2021 00: 16
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Duc, Ely-Pali! Or am I not a St. Petersburg miserable?

                        Nope. Minnesinger ... Petersburg wassat
                      9. +3
                        17 February 2021 14: 48
                        Nope. Minnesinger ... Petersburg

                        Yeah, exactly - he is a virtuoso lute player, and at the same time also Caravaggio in one bottle. drinks
                        - Blackmore, uncover your balalaika! ("The Lord of the Rings", 3rd part, translation of the Goblin). laughing
                  2. +3
                    16 February 2021 12: 24
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    So the Romans slaughtered the Jewish aristocracy laughing

                    Is it weak to grow a new one?
                    1. +4
                      16 February 2021 13: 05
                      Quote: vladcub
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      So the Romans slaughtered the Jewish aristocracy laughing

                      Is it weak to grow a new one?

                      And the fig? laughing
                      1. +2
                        16 February 2021 13: 10
                        How can you do without it? Whatever it is called, but it is present everywhere
                      2. +3
                        16 February 2021 20: 37
                        The elite among the Jews are:
                        Pilots, special forces, doctors, scientists, IT specialists, university professors, big businessmen, some reputable and popular rabbis.
                        All people are brothers, just everyone has different abilities. hi
                        Inherited position and status sucks. By definition, aristocracy should not exist!
                      3. +6
                        16 February 2021 20: 59
                        Aristocracy should not be by definition!
                        A good call, however, in Israel throughout its short history, the military aristocracy rules. Early feudalism of a new formation?
                      4. +3
                        16 February 2021 21: 10
                        What does she rule there, Anton? laughing
                        It is clear that the rank of general in such a militarized country provides you with popularity and a piece of bread and butter (in addition to a good pension), but:
                        There is no continuity;
                        Like the authorities
                      5. +6
                        16 February 2021 21: 53
                        There is no continuity;
                        Like the authorities

                        There is a tear in my voice ...
                      6. +3
                        17 February 2021 09: 53
                        Dripping sparingly down an unshaven cheek laughing
                3. +5
                  16 February 2021 07: 55
                  How? How to eat it correctly?
              2. +4
                16 February 2021 07: 23
                Good product for fasting.
                How to eat it correctly?
                Is it kosher enough for everyone?
                1. +9
                  16 February 2021 07: 58
                  Kosher for Jews, if the chickpea grows full, which is allowed to rest once every seven years. Before processing, inspect for the presence of insect larvae, etc.
                  To consume correctly - add a bit of Extra Virgin olive oil to the finished paste. You can add pine nuts to a bowl of hummus. Delicious with tomatoes.
                  It is fashionable to spread on sour black bread.
                  Best consumed in lavash chunks - scooping hummus from a plate with them good
                  1. +6
                    16 February 2021 08: 00
                    How everything is thought out. Just the foundation for sustainable use.
                    1. +7
                      16 February 2021 08: 02
                      The main thing is not to overdo it with cakes))
                      1. +7
                        16 February 2021 08: 11
                        For a healthy working body, the amount of food is not a problem.
                      2. +2
                        16 February 2021 12: 16
                        And without cakes, it's also lousy
                      3. +3
                        16 February 2021 13: 06
                        Without bread - no, no way
                  2. +6
                    16 February 2021 08: 09
                    It goes well with a shaverma too.
                    1. +6
                      16 February 2021 08: 14
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      It goes well with a shaverma too.

                      Great - plus add salad and chips to pita bread - yummy good
                      Quote from Korsar4
                      For a healthy working body, the amount of food is not a problem.

                      The issue is the amount of food and the loss of calories from work. laughing But to the Orthodox post - the most tsimes. Meat can be replaced with baked eggplant
                      1. +3
                        16 February 2021 22: 14
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        The issue is the amount of food and the loss of calories from work. But to the Orthodox post - the most tsimes. Meat can be replaced with baked eggplant


                        Or replace it with Ural dumplings! laughing
                  3. +9
                    16 February 2021 09: 42
                    And here's a recipe: you take paternalistic black Russian bread, toast it in a toaster, then you smear a thick layer of hummus, which, by the way, is produced here, so it is free from imperialistic and Zionist influences. Hummus must be transferred from the jar, well, the kid knows that, especially those born in the 2000s. Then you put the product on top, which brought us a high-tech eastern state, which many generations ago (at least more than three) got rid of the heavy legacy of the past - pickled ginger. Take this sandwich and slowly eat it, dreaming of the spiritual realms
                    1. +6
                      16 February 2021 10: 09
                      This is an Arabic dish, which is made here by "Russian Israelis" laughing It's just popular in the lair of the Zionists
                  4. +5
                    16 February 2021 12: 19
                    And if I like sunflower or corn oil, what then?
                    1. +5
                      16 February 2021 12: 22
                      Corn - absolutely nothing, sunflower - spoil the taste
          4. BAI
            +6
            16 February 2021 13: 30
            In theory, it should be like this:
            1. +5
              16 February 2021 22: 19
              Almost commercials!
        2. +5
          16 February 2021 12: 26
          "sprat in a tomato world run" (c)
          1. +3
            17 February 2021 13: 11
            Quote: vladcub
            "sprat in a tomato world run" (c)

            Hello namesake!
            The first half of the ecumene, having read your comment, shuddered, the second half licked its lips dreamily!
            On weekends, we stay with the cat on the farm together. Let's study the "sprat" command! good
        3. +6
          16 February 2021 22: 11
          Quote from Korsar4
          And we have already talked about sprats. In the current version, sprat in tomato sauce is better

          So what, what kind of a mass grave or a cattle carrier from my cadet youth.
          The yellow grooves (buses) were also called cattle breeders. Legend has it that the driver in winter had the choice to direct warm air into the cabin or into his cabin. Naturally, he chose the second option.
          By the way, I confess, alone from my family, I can afford to buy a can of gobies or sprat in tomato and wrap it up with instant noodles! True, you can't yawn here, Sonya (a cat) is not indifferent to bulls in a tomato. The only thing for which he can climb on the table and, like a real "peasant", take out the whole can with the sound of a small jet engine. Moreover, the lip is not stupid in the case of buying two cans, it tries to crawl into mine with a mustachioed muzzle in order to sweep both into your stomach! She understands the dream of a moth that it’s dumb for me to pop it off the floor.
          1. +2
            18 February 2021 07: 58
            When I was a child, I didn’t try sprat .. They brought it to the village, only in tomato sauce, but I became an adult and kept silent. I took Estonian, Pacific and: "a la Stirlitz'-Portuguese. But I didn’t get hooked. From time to time I take it in a tomato, but my relatives do not share my passion and now I rarely have high-quality canned food.
            1. +1
              18 February 2021 08: 24
              Quote: vladcub
              From time to time I take it in a tomato, but my relatives do not share my passion and now I rarely have high-quality canned food

              Comrade get a cat! For a couple, any confectionery in a tomato leaves more fun! Tested empirically. Today my wife got it on my ears that the cat smells like sprat again!
              1. +1
                18 February 2021 17: 26
                With such a wife it is difficult: she instantly learns alcohol or another.
                I had a girlfriend "tumbled" with her. Like your bloodhound, sniffing when she comes home. If the accounting is suspicious and begins to look closely
      2. +14
        16 February 2021 06: 40
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        But I don’t understand, but what, a can of sprats cannot be put on the table, must it be put on a plate?

        Sprats are a bad example. The original source was about a jar of cucumbers. They should definitely be laid out, since the head does not fit into the jar. hi
        1. +7
          16 February 2021 07: 02
          Quote: A. Privalov
          They should definitely be laid out, since the head does not fit into the jar.

          What disgusting this your aspic fish is ... Your head will fit into a salad, and what else would you like to attach cucumbers on your face, no, thank you. Let them be in the bank.
          1. +7
            16 February 2021 13: 39
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            The head will fit into the salad Olivier, and that would also attach cucumbers on the face, no, thank you. Let them be in the bank.

            This idea is supported and shared by your followers and supporters. It is enough to look at the number of cons on my previous comment!

            Congratulations, you are the real leader of the masses! hi
            1. Fat
              0
              18 February 2021 18: 34
              So what? were there any downsides? Major Golovanov, with your point of view on the conservation product. I agree, I called - so it is .... Academy, grow up, Chemical protection (!)
              Their fairy tales ...
              Why does Colonel Korobets not eat pickled cucumber? (C)
          2. +1
            17 February 2021 03: 41
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            ... The head will fit into the salad Olivier, and that would also attach cucumbers on the face, no, thank you.

            Fu how lano! stop I put my face in jellied meat and rest culturally wassat
            1. +1
              17 February 2021 03: 46
              Quote: Ruslan67
              Fu how lano! I put my face in jellied meat and rest culturally

              I'm nasty now. Yesterday I got drunk, I ate one and a half bottles of moonshine, plus I polished two hundred grams of awl, I'm suffering right now ... crying
              1. +2
                17 February 2021 03: 48
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Yesterday I got drunk, ate one and a half bottles of moonshine,

                I myself have been on duty since Friday sad Already heartburn and the reasons do not end
                1. +2
                  17 February 2021 03: 50
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  and the reasons don't end

                  But for this you have to drink! laughing Right now I'll look at the bottom of the barrel, where it should be a hundred grams. drinks
                  1. +2
                    17 February 2021 04: 14
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    But for this you have to drink!

                    Flayer-entertainer sad laughing
                    1. +1
                      17 February 2021 04: 18
                      Quote: Ruslan67
                      Flayer-entertainer

                      No, I love birds.
                      1. +2
                        17 February 2021 04: 21
                        I also Yes Fried .....
            2. Fat
              +1
              18 February 2021 18: 41
              Aspic is not given to every mistress stop
              And Olivier is available and wide-plate ...
      3. +10
        16 February 2021 08: 30
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        But I don’t understand, but what, a can of sprats cannot be put on the table, must it be put on a plate?

        If you depict cultures-cultures, then yes - be sure to put on a plate, and also decorate with green stuff, there, with lemon ... And take food by all means holding a knife in your right hand, and vetch in your left (the main thing is not to confuse! laughing ) And if there are no reasons to portray cultures-cultures, then you can directly from the bank and with your hands!
        1. +3
          16 February 2021 08: 48
          Quote: HanTengri
          And if there are no reasons to portray cultures-cultures, then you can directly from the can and with your hands!

          Once we bought a bottle and a can of sprat for a snack. Not a knife, nothing ... Canned food was opened on the asphalt, forks were ripped up in the bushes ... Culture!
          1. +10
            16 February 2021 09: 21
            How much fuss around one bottle! Three butterscotch is enough!
            1. +2
              16 February 2021 09: 25
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              How much fuss around one bottle! Three butterscotch is enough!

              Yeah, as they walked, we see such a picture, three men sit at the hemp, there is a liter of moonshine and three cherries. One pulled half a glass, reached for the cherry, the other bang his hand: Don't touch it, what will we eat later? "
              1. +7
                16 February 2021 09: 28
                No, well, if a liter, then in my opinion, three is not enough. But it all depends on experience!
                1. +2
                  16 February 2021 09: 47
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  No, well, if a liter, then in my opinion, three is not enough.

                  Moreover, they were also green. laughing
                  1. +9
                    16 February 2021 10: 10
                    Moonshine "sly" - generally offset!
                    1. +4
                      16 February 2021 18: 14
                      Anyone can, except for treacle - out! I thought it was impossible to scare me after "Solntsedar", how naive I was in my forty years ...
                      1. +2
                        17 February 2021 01: 02
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I thought that after "Solntsedar"

                        By the way, we went to the state farm for apples, where they sold apple wine for two rubles, nothing at all. And the beer there was generally fucking. 22 kopecks - light, 24 - dark ...
                2. +2
                  18 February 2021 08: 18
                  Well, yes - a club of interests !!! good laughing drinks
                  So what is next!



                  laughing
                  And who am I friends with ... request
                  1. Fat
                    +1
                    18 February 2021 18: 53
                    Norm! decent people! The first time "thundered" in the 95th, the entrance (sorry) did not guess! No, we didn't drink! They ate Canadian bourbon in three throats, escorting the drink to the archive of life ...
                    All disgusting, but did not hang too much. They didn't even get fined, which is generally surprising ...
                    And everyone is talking about cops, but they have a difficult task - to protect us, gouges, from really serious troubles.
                    Huge respect!
          2. Fat
            +3
            17 February 2021 00: 56
            One! One is enough and not toffee, but candy - a soy bar. Three butterscotch is bad taste. Disrespect for the sanitary completeness of the drinking buddy
        2. +1
          16 February 2021 09: 29
          Quote: HanTengri
          If you depict cultures-cultures, then yes - be sure to put it on a plate, and decorate it with green stuff, there, with a lemon.
          I'm all worried, but what about saury, what about saury? Throw the soup with the can too? tongue
          1. +10
            16 February 2021 09: 45
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            I'm all worried, but what about saury, what about saury? Throw the soup with the can too?

            Don't throw Sarah into the soup. This is anti-Semitis.
            1. +1
              16 February 2021 10: 01
              Quote: HanTengri
              Don't throw Sarah into the soup
              Well, Moira is also non-kosher, oh wey! laughing
              1. +7
                16 February 2021 10: 21
                No, Moira can be, she is Greek! Oh, very kosher! After all, as Jesus said, in the Bhagavad Gita: "Only a true sage who has attained Krishna consciousness can enjoy the bitter concoction from his Destiny ..." laughing
                1. +1
                  16 February 2021 10: 23
                  Quote: HanTengri
                  No, Moira can be, she is Greek!
                  Live and learn! And I, out of the simplicity of my soul, sparklingly joked about saury and Moira and halal, Shame on me! laughing
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2021 12: 16
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    And I, out of the simplicity of my soul, sparklingly joked about saury and Moira and halal, Shame on me!

                    And on the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, radios were howling in earnest in the 70s: "No fish, only cod!"
                2. +4
                  16 February 2021 11: 56
                  Quote: HanTengri
                  No, Moira can be, she is Greek! Oh, very kosher! After all, as Jesus said, in the Bhagavad Gita: "Only a true sage who has attained Krishna consciousness can enjoy the bitter concoction from his Destiny ..." laughing

                  As Engels said in the Kamasutra:
                  any deed for the glory of Dharma, Artha and Kama is good, together and separately, but not one that, contributing to one side of life, interferes with the fulfillment of the other two
              2. +4
                16 February 2021 11: 50
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Quote: HanTengri
                Don't throw Sarah into the soup
                Well, Moira is also non-kosher, oh wey! laughing

                Why not kosher? laughing Any Fish with scales and fins is considered kosher and is usable by every Ultra-Orthodox.

                A yeshiva student sees a rabbi from the street eating a boar's knee with gusto in a German restaurant. Runs into the establishment:
                - Rebbe, this is pork!
                - And I eat something and think: what a delicious fish ..
            2. +4
              16 February 2021 11: 44
              Quote: HanTengri
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              I'm all worried, but what about saury, what about saury? Throw the soup with the can too?

              Don't throw Sarah into the soup. This is anti-Semitis.

              Even if she's Sarah Connor? laughing
              1. +5
                16 February 2021 12: 26
                Quote: Krasnodar
                Even if she's Sarah Connor?

                Still, I don't understand, are you for Homo Sapiens, or for Skynet?
                1. 0
                  16 February 2021 12: 54
                  Quote: HanTengri
                  Still, I don't understand, are you for Homo Sapiens, or for Skynet?

                  He's against Sarah Connor. And you can't trample after all ...
                2. +3
                  16 February 2021 13: 05
                  Taki for Genesis fellow
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2021 13: 31
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    for Genesis

                    Og. laughing
              2. Fat
                +1
                18 February 2021 19: 03
                Oh Albert. "You need to know when to stop."
                1. 0
                  18 February 2021 19: 05
                  Shaw, too expensive a coffin? what
        3. +3
          16 February 2021 20: 09
          I like to eat with a spoon. Fit more. The wife is trying to criticize.
          1. +1
            17 February 2021 06: 59
            Hi Sergey! The same story. 5 more from the time of the army remained! I fought, fought with it, then spat and left it as it is. But this certainly applies only at home. And so ... conventions. Etiquette, sir. laughing
            1. +3
              17 February 2021 07: 17
              Hello Seryozha!
              Since childhood it is.
              You can go out with chopsticks or a toothpick ..

              By the way, it is no coincidence that tourists and climbers take KLM with them - a mug, a spoon, a bowl.
              1. +2
                17 February 2021 08: 26

                This spoon is more than fifty years old, I ate it as a child. Now I use it for its intended purpose at work, when I don't want to go to the cafeteria. The price was fifty cents.
                1. +2
                  17 February 2021 08: 39
                  I caught myself thinking that in this case, size and shape matter.
                  1. +2
                    17 February 2021 13: 39
                    It is medium in size, somewhere between a table and a teaspoon.
                    1. Fat
                      +1
                      18 February 2021 19: 08
                      Dessert option "Unacceptable! Nasty things should be consumed full, dining room!"
                      1. +2
                        19 February 2021 05: 45
                        The mouth is not only happy with a large piece.
          2. Fat
            +1
            19 February 2021 00: 04
            wife the same. You will find points for mutual understanding .... But honestly, how to eat spaghetti? Mm horns (pasta) with a spoon is logical. and these are long pieces?
            1. +2
              19 February 2021 05: 47
              If there was something to reel, we would reel.
      4. +5
        16 February 2021 08: 42
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        But I don’t understand, but what, a can of sprats cannot be put on the table, must it be put on a plate?

        I remembered either a reality or a fiction, when the last Russian emperor received the French ambassador at the court, the nimble Russian merchant Shustov offered him a glass of cognac of his own production. Nicholas II loved Russian vodka, he did not use cognac, but could not refuse, after all, the French ambassador, where the cognac is the national drink, and the cognac was Russian, having drunk a glass of the emperor, in order to hide his grimace of disgust, he ate a slice of lemon. After that, the entire court nobility began to use cognac exclusively with lemon, although in the West this is considered bad manners, since citrus fruits kill the taste and aroma of the drink. In Soviet times, cognac was also eaten with lemon. When I served, there was a colleague's birthday at the exercises, the vodka ran out, there were a couple of bottles of brandy left, what should I eat? no lemon, no cheese, no chocolate either. The cognac was drunk under lard and stew, went well, no one had any complexes. drinks hi
        1. +5
          16 February 2021 11: 35
          then the agile Russian merchant Shustov offered him a glass of cognac of his own production

          Anatoly, hello! drinks There is a legend that the cunning Shustov conducted "aggressive intricate advertising" of his products.
          One example of guerrilla marketing was the case of Nikolai Shustov and his cognac at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. For little money, Nikolai Leontyevich hired actors, whom he expensively dressed in elite clothes and ordered to do the following.
          They came to large establishments in Moscow, made a large order of expensive dishes. When the dishes were served, the actor loudly, so that everyone in the hall could hear, called the waiter and demanded to serve them Shustov's cognac.
          Estessno there was no such cognac in the assortment and our actor did not accept any alternatives, without skimping on evaluative statements about other brands. In anger, without touching the food, he threw money for the dishes on the table and, under the gaze of all those present, made it out of the institution. Imagine what the conversations between the visitors of the establishment were about that evening, not to mention the fact that the owner of the establishment found out about such a client.
          Such situations occurred in all large establishments during the week. Well, at the end of the week, Nikolai Leontyevich already had a list of supply contracts.

          What is Figaro! laughing drinks
          after drinking a glass, the emperor, in order to hide his grimace of disgust, ate a slice of lemon

          Lemon, sprinkled with coffee and sugar, and served with cognac, used to be called "nikolashka" in some circles. But this is also a legend. With respect, Nicholai drinks
          1. +3
            16 February 2021 12: 07
            Greetings, Nikolay! hi Cognac I advise you to eat tiramisu. Or a pork-flavored doshirak to sponsor a bullet aimed at the heart of the Juche leader Eun, who probably drinks cognacs behind our backs by the proletarian intelligentsia, which we cannot afford am
            1. +3
              16 February 2021 12: 17
              Greetings, Nikolay!

              Albert, hello! drinks
              Cognac I advise you to eat tiramisu.

              You talk too fancy, my patterning mind does not know how to furnish the magic of a snack with such chic. wink But I sketched it! good
              And count how the courtiers of Heliogabalus ate - nightingale tongues in half with pearls. The guests broke their teeth, some even gagged, but ate together. laughing
              who probably drinks cognacs behind our backs of the proletarian intelligentsia, which we cannot afford

              I read somewhere that there are rumors (from sources already shot) that he also loves cheese very much. Moreover, some expensive varieties. That's why it's so round. drinks
              1. +2
                16 February 2021 13: 07
                You can also bite with the nipples of a she-wolf - Rome laughing
                1. +3
                  16 February 2021 13: 18
                  You can also bite with the nipples of a she-wolf - Rome

                  By that time, all the wolves were already exhausted there, go, on the capes for the signifer-bearers. wink
          2. +2
            16 February 2021 12: 13
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            For little money, Nikolai Leontyevich hired actors, whom he expensively dressed in elite clothes and ordered to do the following.

            Good day! Nikolay.
            You will probably laugh now, but such stories are not uncommon. As an example, I will give a story about the Kuvaka mineral water from the Penza province, which was popular in many cities of Tsarist Russia and was sold in the best restaurants in Paris.

            At the same time, Voeikov, a noble prince and a calculating merchant at the same time, launched an advertising campaign in the largest publications and reference books of that time. The main thing in the advertisement were numerous assurances of the usefulness and high healing properties of the new drinking water.
            Not relying on advertising alone, Voeikov himself contributes to the promotion of his goods as much as he can. In October 1913 - for the 300th anniversary of the Romanov dynasty - he erects in the center of the village of Kamenka a monument to the "Tsar-Liberator" Alexander II, to the opening of which he invites the Penza governor and the entire provincial nobility. And soon the Kuvaka mineral water begins to be supplied to all railway stations, first in the Penza province, and then throughout the Russian Empire. At the same time, he devises an ingenious plan for promoting the water abroad. Voeikov goes to Paris, where he goes to the most prestigious restaurants, orders the most expensive dishes for 50 people and loudly asks for the healing water "Kuvaka". When the French, in bewilderment, answered that they did not have such water, Voeikov loudly refused the order and indignantly left the restaurant. The reception worked, French restaurateurs began to order Kuwaku from Russia. The Count was greatly assisted in this matter by the President of France, Raymond Poincaré, a great admirer of Kuwakin water.
            If interested, read in full here: https://little-histories.org/2017/08/01/kuvaka/
            1. +4
              16 February 2021 12: 51
              The reception worked, French restaurateurs began to order Kuwaku from Russia.

              Ahaha, too sly! good
              I heard about him. IN. Shpakovsky at one time published an article - "General from Kuvakeriya". drinks https://topwar.ru/140644-postradavshie-za-veru-general-ot-kuvakerii-chast-vtoraya.html
          3. 0
            16 February 2021 13: 06
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            Well, at the end of the week, Nikolai Leontyevich already had a list of supply contracts.

            What a portrait, what a landscape! laughing Once I read how the merchant received an order from the imperial court for sweets, got drunk, and sowed a bag. So he walked with a hangover, grieving quietly, and then the girls from Smolny. Kupchina turned out his pockets, here girls, eat! The girls liked the candy, and they also ordered him. Pads or something.
            1. +3
              16 February 2021 13: 14
              Once I read how the merchant received an order from the imperial court for sweets, got drunk, and sowed a bag.

              Vladimir, welcome! He simply did not have a codpiece, like the character of your favorite Bruegel painting. drinks It would be possible to hide sweets there - not a single girl would get it just like that. wink
              About candy, I remembered the notes of the first teacher Pavel Petrovich, Semyon Poroshin. Like, at some court masquerade, the little Tsarevich liked the performer of some role, and in the evening he ordered "send him some candy"... Nicely! good Poroshin sincerely loved the boy, and wrote everything down by day ... Yes
              1. 0
                16 February 2021 13: 25
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                Poroshin sincerely loved the boy, and wrote everything down by day ..

                Nevertheless, he did not give him any book. From whom only Pasha did not ask her. Even Suvorov, as they say. Catherine forbade. Don't remind me, Radishchev, or what?
                1. +4
                  16 February 2021 13: 45
                  Don't remind me, Radishchev, or what?

                  "Hamlet", Vladimir. These are all legends. It is necessary to look at the sources, one way or another, although there are a lot of legends.
                  Even Suvorov, as they say.

                  Sergei Grigoriev describes this scene in his novel "Suvorov". I think many have read it. And then Alexander Vasilyevich made fun of him, a virtuoso joker ... laughing No, in this case I am not making any excuses for Paul! stop
                  Nevertheless, he did not give him some book.

                  And Poroshin could not give it. He taught the Tsarevich when he was still small.
        2. +6
          16 February 2021 12: 15
          in the west, this is considered bad manners, since citrus fruits kill taste and aroma
          Frankly, I drank the collectible Hennessy from my throat and ate it with green onions. Please understand and forgive sad .
          1. +3
            16 February 2021 12: 53
            Please understand and forgive

            The main thing is that the onions are on the plate, and not in the jar! wink Personally, I - "we understand and approve"! drinks
            1. +3
              16 February 2021 12: 55
              And then I gave a wave - the onion lay on the table. Even without the tablecloth! And a pile of salt lay right on the table to dip onions drinks ... Hanging shot shines belay
              1. +3
                16 February 2021 13: 05
                And then I gave a wave - the onion lay on the table. Even without the tablecloth! And a pile of salt lay right on the table to dip onions

                Pane kokhanku, as a potential preacher (in my room), I will say - it is not your fault, but grace from above. Yes For who could resist such a yummy ?! request
                And a pile of salt lay right on the table, so that the onions could be dipped

                "Who can eat it without salt and without onions
                He will be strong, brave, kind, like Cook! "
                drinks
                1. +2
                  16 February 2021 13: 11
                  In my defense, I also consider it necessary to say that it was free, that is, for free. This circumstance ideally set off the unique bouquet of the drink and significantly improved the aftertaste. drinks ... I look forward to leniency and amnesty wassat
                  1. +2
                    16 February 2021 13: 22
                    In my defense, I also consider it necessary to say that it was free, that is, for free. This circumstance ideally set off the unique bouquet of the drink and significantly improved the aftertaste.

                    Here you have to call the art critic Anton 3x3zsave ... And drag another liter ... As an experiment. laughing
                    I look forward to leniency and amnesty

                    After three penalty glasses! drinks
                    1. +2
                      16 February 2021 13: 28
                      And drag another liter
                      Where am I him itswill I get it? Although the experiment is probably superfluous, the freebie factor has the ability to radically improve the organoleptic qualities of almost all substances known to science - even acetic acid in a 9% solution. drinks
                      After three free throws!
                      Shooting so shooting. You will collect a top three, even for decency - otherwise your wife will submit to the ECHR Yes
                      1. +5
                        16 February 2021 14: 08
                        You will collect a top three, even for decency - otherwise your wife will submit to the ECHR

                        We will collect another two for you. good And after the "meeting of the troika with execution for three" - will she arrange lynching over you and disperse the troika? wink drinks
                      2. +3
                        16 February 2021 14: 12
                        after the "meeting of the troika with execution for three"
                        He will join as a witness for the prosecution, and then (when the cognac dematerializes) he pushes everyone into a taxi. drinks good
                      3. +2
                        16 February 2021 14: 59
                        He will join as a witness for the prosecution, and then (when the cognac dematerializes) he pushes everyone into a taxi.

                        Yes, such a woman should be given flowers every day! love However, I bow to your wife, and I am very happy for you personally! drinks
                      4. +3
                        16 February 2021 15: 03
                        Yes, such a woman should be given flowers every day!
                        I will definitely tell her! Yes There are women in the Burgundian villages! wink
                      5. +2
                        16 February 2021 15: 13
                        There are women in the Burgundian villages!

                        That is, "Hennessy" should be eaten with onions from the green fields of Burgundy? drinks
                      6. +2
                        16 February 2021 15: 16
                        More likely than not, but if Burgundy is far away - Egyptian from TESCO Yes will do too. Again, historical heritage - pharaohs and pyramids drinks
                      7. +3
                        16 February 2021 15: 27
                        Again, historical heritage - pharaohs and pyramids

                        That is, if the Egyptian sand (from onions) accidentally crunches on the teeth - let's call it "a light touch of history." With a slight pharaoh aftertaste. Yes drinks
                      8. +2
                        16 February 2021 15: 34
                        It must be washed well - so that there are no illegal immigrants am
                        http://www.jasonsteelwildlifephotography.yolasite.com/uk-scorpions.php
                      9. +4
                        16 February 2021 15: 37
                        It must be washed well - so that there are no illegal immigrants

                        Stunned! And what can arrive in consignments?
                        I have heard only about three such "travelers" - about rapa, Chinese crab and sleeper, which perfectly mastered the muddy ponds in St. Petersburg.
                      10. +3
                        16 February 2021 15: 50
                        Britain is clearly more attractive to immigrants
                        they were even going to catch them here. There are also illegal immigrants from Australia.
                        https://getoutside.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/guides/unexpected-wild-animals-in-britain-%E2%80%93-part-1/А про лягушек в цветах и жуков во фруктах довольно часто пишут. Я как-то дохлого жука в свежей фасоли нашел. А знакомый рассказывал(он на базе работал)- из каких-то цветов вылез здоровый желто-красный паук- вероятно ядовитый и явно недружелюбный. Все его шугались пока негр-грузчик его ботнком не раздавил.
                      11. +2
                        16 February 2021 16: 11
                        There are also illegal immigrants from Australia.

                        Stunned! A lady on her private island raised a kangaroo? belay
                        Sorry, translated from Google:
                        You can find red-headed wallaby living in the wild on a small island in the center of Loch Lomond. They were deliberately introduced by the previous owner Lady Arran Kolkuhun in the 1920s and have successfully lived there ever since.
                        Wallabies can be found elsewhere, with a small colony on the Isle of Man (descended from a couple who escaped from a local wildlife park) and have occasionally been seen in Ashdown Forest, Norfolk, Buckinghamshire and Peak District.

                        Interestingly, it turns out that English grass is quite edible for them? request
                        It's funny that the English word for chipmunk is "Siberian chipmunk". Straight leavened pride takes! laughing drinks
                        There will be material on St. Kilda - let me read it. An interesting island as a phenomenon in the Outer Hebrides ...what It looks like excursions there are rare and private.
                        I think you have many common themes with Sergei-Korsar4. But he is more of an arch-specialist in botany. And with Albert-Krasnodar - he is just a connoisseur-connoisseur of a wide profile. I bow to you! drinks
                      12. +2
                        16 February 2021 16: 17
                        English grass is quite edible for them
                        Sheep and cows are doing great. Even squirrels in South England - immigrants from America (gray) - by the way, about immigration - they crowd out the local European species)
                      13. +4
                        16 February 2021 16: 20
                        by the way, about immigration - they are replacing the local European species

                        Apparently, like any invasive species, they turned out to be more arrogant and prolific ... request
                      14. +3
                        16 February 2021 16: 34
                        they turned out to be more arrogant
                        They carry nuts straight from their hands.
                        he is more of an arch-specialist in botany.
                        Him to the Isle of Man.
                      15. +5
                        16 February 2021 16: 55
                        They carry nuts straight from their hands.

                        Only in our parks does this flourish. Choosy! laughing Seeds are not taken, nuts are not all. stop But in the parks they have freedom. There are many feeders. Here, last April:

                        Him to the Isle of Man.

                        Corsair4 - note! drinks
                      16. +3
                        16 February 2021 16: 59
                        Seeds are not taken
                        Do not gop-disdain smile ... English squirrels and chips are minced at once.
                      17. +3
                        16 February 2021 17: 04
                        English squirrels and chips are minced at once.

                        The best fish and chips ate in an Irish pub in Kingisepp - ex. Yam, Yamburg. Although in England, this dish is probably prepared differently ... drinks
                      18. +2
                        16 February 2021 17: 13
                        Originally invented by the Jews of East London (working-class districts), the dish (in the days when meat was expensive and fish that did not know supertrawlers were cheap and plentiful) is now prepared and sold almost exclusively by colored immigrants. The key to success is good fish and oil change more often than once a year Yes Esto it follows where the fish are caught, in Hastings, very nothing. Watch out - air attacks will lead to a nervous shock - cormorants have learned to dive vertically on those eating this dish and pull out a piece of fish (or pick it up from the ground, where everything flies after the attack). They come from behind / from above, and dive so that they find themselves right in front of the face - the factor of surprise.
                      19. +3
                        16 February 2021 17: 22
                        They come from behind / from above, and dive so that they find themselves right in front of the face - the factor of surprise.

                        I've heard similar stories about frigates, but they live in Latin America. Like, other birds take food on the fly. I saw them once in the Dominican Republic - beautiful, devils. winked They just take away from birds, not from people. laughing
                        Originally invented by the Jews of East London

                        We must call Krasnodar! He can speak for it!
                        almost exclusively colored immigrants cook and sell

                        That is, in food preferences - a kind of fast food? hi
                        My friends! It is very pleasant when in our cheerful international in the "history" section you discover new good interlocutors! good Have a nice evening everyone. Perhaps I'll come back in two or three hours, or tomorrow. With respect, Nicholai drinks
                      20. +3
                        16 February 2021 21: 28
                        That is, in food preferences - a kind of fast food?
                        Exactly. The fish was bought on the market, deep-fried (a tank of oil and a slotted spoon - all the equipment), wrapped along with deep-fried potatoes in yesterday's newspaper (convenient and very cheap) - and sold cheaply (competitors are not asleep) sold to port workers, builders, cleaners - the working class. Meat before industrial farms and feed additives was expensive, and fish — not yet cleaned out by supertrawler fleets — were abundant and cheap. Even now there is an English saying about french fries (chips) - cheap as chips.
                        They say that food is taken away from other birds on the fly.
                        I do not interfere in their feathered affairs. Don't touch my ration! I had a large portion of the cormorant (also with mayonnaise and pickled cucumber, feathered chicken) on the boardwalk in Hastings sad
                        It is very pleasant when in our cheerful international in the "history" section you discover new good interlocutors!
                        I am grateful to you for the opportunity to communicate normally in Russian without stories that soon the Balts and Anglo-Saxons sucking Russian blood will come to a complete end, and before that they will all die of blacks and cold. drinks
                      21. +3
                        17 February 2021 15: 20
                        I am grateful to you for the opportunity to communicate normally in Russian without stories that soon the Balts and Anglo-Saxons sucking Russian blood will come to a complete end, and before that they will all die of blacks and cold.

                        Good day! How can I tell you ... Our company has been developing for almost five years, all from different regions and even countries, different nationalities; each with his own cockroaches and views. The main (not voiced by anyone) principles are benevolence, no conflicts and insults. We decide everything peacefully. and with jokes. Somehow we agree with each other ... We ourselves are not leavened patriots, but open Russophobia is not acceptable either ... hi Nice to talk to you! good drinks
                      22. +4
                        17 February 2021 16: 10
                        And we are also able to critically perceive reality, but benevolence, as Nikolai correctly wrote, comes first. hi
                      23. +4
                        17 February 2021 17: 08
                        And we are also able to critically perceive reality.

                        So yes, we are usually friends with our heads .. and if suddenly situationally we are not friends, then it’s already Friday, deep evening! laughing drinks
                        Uncle Kostya once posted this picture very justly:
                      24. +3
                        17 February 2021 19: 28
                        Well, who is without sin? You will not sin, you will not repent.
                        laughing
                      25. +4
                        17 February 2021 21: 29
                        "- They are fighting for you" (c).

                        Yesterday I reviewed the fragments.
                      26. Fat
                        +1
                        18 February 2021 22: 44
                        Everything is acceptable, Except the chaos. Do not let the Creator in our lands. I won't advise anyone. They will hide and they will not ask the surname. The law is taiga. This is no joke - life is on the line. Nikolai gently meant ... drinks
                        And warning is not superfluous
                      27. Fat
                        +1
                        18 February 2021 22: 29
                        You're welcome, Bro! only without surplus .... We don't like poachers. As well as other "overexposure" ... drinks
                      28. Fat
                        +1
                        18 February 2021 22: 00
                        Speaking of sprats? Smoke first, then fry?
                        And then already spit ... On flying pigs - seagulls ... Er-Kushen, etit ...
                        Alex! I will not reveal any secret. What, like, cormorants are fishermen. Fishermen, but following the flight of a bird, the tribe found a school ... For which they were loved in our country. There are several more species - birds - fishermen ...
                        Well, there is no point about a seagull, what - to voice - a Pig.
                        Buzzard is important! It is possible to track zander well.
                      29. +3
                        17 February 2021 08: 45
                        While the nearest April plans - an island in the east.

                        I hope everything will come true.
                      30. +2
                        17 February 2021 14: 54
                        While the nearest April plans - an island in the east.

                        Bali? wink Odalisque, massage and blue curaçao taken to the sound of bachata? drinks
                      31. +3
                        17 February 2021 19: 13
                        Not. Never been. I want to go to Sakhalin again. Last time there was a men's company. Hills, Kuril bamboo, through which old-growth larches had to wade.

                        True, there were hot springs too.
                      32. +3
                        18 February 2021 09: 44
                        Hills, Kuril bamboo, through which old-growth larches had to wade.

                        Beautiful there? By the way, are there bears on Sakhalin?
                      33. +2
                        18 February 2021 10: 24
                        How much more.
                        A she-bear with cubs ran across the road. But we were in the UAZ.

                        Very beautiful.
                      34. +3
                        18 February 2021 11: 06
                        Write an article about your feelings from Sakhalin! I think few of us were there.
                        A she-bear with cubs ran across the road. But we were in the UAZ.

                        And in Kamchatka, people are attacked. There seems to be a large population of bears?
                      35. +2
                        18 February 2021 16: 02
                        I have not been to Kamchatka. They say yes.

                        Pikul has already re-read "Katorga" with geographic references.

                        Vyacheslav Olegovich advertised the museum in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk.
                        And the tunnel in Aleksandrovsk deserves attention.
                      36. +3
                        18 February 2021 16: 21
                        Pikul has already re-read "Katorga" with geographic references.

                        To "Katorga" captain Tairov surrenders (after the battle) with his squad, after which the prisoners are exterminated by the Japanese.
                        In fact, his name was Ilyas-Devlet Dairsky, he was a Crimean Tatar!
                        From the article:
                        a monument to which grateful fellow countrymen recently donated and helped to erect at the site of the death of the detachment. Born Mirza, that is, a nobleman, he adopted the Christian faith and, after graduating from the Odessa Infantry-Junker School, became a Russian officer.
                        .....
                        At the end of July, retreating from the village of Petropavlovskoye, the partisans reached the western coast in order to reach the Aleksandrovsky post and join up with the main forces. Having passed a little to the north, the detachment came under fire from the Japanese cruisers, which had landed troops to pursue the partisans. Dairsky led his warriors across the ridge to the valley of the Naiba River. Here, on August 17, part of the detachment fell in battle, and the rest, led by Staff Captain Dairsky, were captured by the Japanese and brutally killed.
                        This fact of the inhuman destruction of prisoners was not caused by the military situation. They were dictated by purely political motives. At this time, peace negotiations were already underway between Russia and Japan, and the invaders sought to prove that there were no combat-ready Russian units left on Sakhalin that did not lay down their weapons. Dairsky's detachment did not live to see the signing of the peace treaty for only five days.

                        Here is the memorial itself at the site of the death of the detachment:

                        2005 article:
                        https://sakhalin.info/news/32523
                        Vyacheslav Olegovich advertised the museum in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk.
                        And the tunnel in Aleksandrovsk deserves attention.

                        There is also a railway museum, I think there will be rare exhibits - before the Sakhalin track was Japanese, and Japanese second-hand diesel locomotives worked on it. drinks
                        The "opinions" published an article by Shpakovsky about historical knowledge. I think some of the site's inhabitants will now be busy with their favorite quiz - "Throw some poop at Shpakovsky!" wink
                      37. +3
                        18 February 2021 17: 10
                        Most recently, the track was changed to our standards.
                      38. +3
                        18 February 2021 17: 23
                        Most recently, the track was changed to our standards.

                        Yes, just that recently! And before that there was 1067 mm.
                      39. +4
                        18 February 2021 18: 09
                        I even photographed it. There the sleepers were laid, which are capable of carrying three rails.
                      40. Fat
                        +2
                        18 February 2021 22: 51
                        Bamboo? is a class!
                        disciplines at times!

                        Have a nice trip!
                      41. +3
                        19 February 2021 05: 42
                        Thank you!
                        I'm really looking forward to it.
                        I hope everything works out.
                      42. +3
                        16 February 2021 16: 45
                        A lady on her private island raised a kangaroo?
                        An Irish man on Lambay Island (4km from Dublin) did the same.

                        https://www.thejournal.ie/wallabies-lambay-island-2-3516673-Jul2017/
                      43. +4
                        16 February 2021 16: 57
                        An Irish man on Lambay Island (4km from Dublin) did the same.

                        So the "singing shamrock" is very tasty for a wallaby? Yes
                      44. +2
                        16 February 2021 17: 04
                        The pastures in Ireland, the "Emerald Isle", are unique. Butter from grass-fed cows is softer than produced elsewhere and is perfect for spreading on breakfast toast.
                        British troops in Northern Ireland called the deployment site "the emerald toilet" wassat
                      45. +4
                        16 February 2021 17: 05
                        British troops in Northern Ireland called the deployment site "the emerald toilet"

                        I mean, oil comes in easily - comes out easily? wink
                      46. +3
                        16 February 2021 17: 15
                        I mean, at the time of The Troubles' "problems" their life there was akin to a substance sent to the toilet.
                      47. +4
                        16 February 2021 17: 23
                        I mean, at the time of The Troubles' "problems" their life there was akin to a substance sent to the toilet.

                        Ahh, I'm sorry. Now I understand. request
                      48. +2
                        16 February 2021 17: 25
                        Not one pint was drunk with a friend - he served in Belfast at the time. Then he managed to register in Yugoslavia.
                      49. Fat
                        +1
                        18 February 2021 23: 03
                        There is no need to attribute poetic delicacy to the military. They called a toilet! and, in part, for the cause - right.
                      50. +1
                        18 February 2021 23: 43
                        Emerald toilet instead of the common (semi-official) emerald island.
                      51. Fat
                        +1
                        18 February 2021 21: 40
                        Unfortunately Rotan, this little black perch-like bastard is not from Egypt ...
                        Asian ... in terms of survivability, the champion, maybe he eats horrible cho ...
                        A little more and will multiply in the cesspool.
                        Not to the point - it is quite edible. So ... we need to think about what we eat instead of pollock ... request
                      52. +1
                        19 February 2021 09: 47
                        black perch-like bastard not from Egypt ...

                        Last year I fished in Sergievka (the estate between Peterhof and Lomonosov). The bites are instantaneous (apparently, they had already devoured everyone in the local pond, and now they enjoyed cannibalism). Sucked the hook almost to the ass - I could not pull it out from two. And the meat - yes, normal, I even dried them when I was young.
                      53. Fat
                        +1
                        18 February 2021 21: 29
                        In theory, an onion soup ...
                      54. +3
                        17 February 2021 08: 43
                        "For every spouse
                        More angrier than any spouse "(c).
                    2. Fat
                      +2
                      18 February 2021 21: 18
                      But - but! A liter is already gluttony (a mortal sin). Three liters is enough without polished fines, for "society".
                      Trouble, but not otherwise taste drinks
                      Interestingly, Hennessy is rolled into standard three-liter bottles? recourse
          2. Fat
            +3
            17 February 2021 01: 14
            This is class, Bro. Although if there is nothing, it is better without a snack at all. This is brandy, not bread wine .... although "starka" is sometimes better than others recourse
      5. BAI
        +2
        16 February 2021 13: 21
        So vodka with cognac is needed not in bottles, but in a decanter. And the fact that the rules of etiquette change over time without any scientific and philosophical substantiation, and according to need (they correspond, so to speak, to the prevailing socio-economic realities), is not taken into account by the author. And bottles (and cans) are now specially made beautiful so that they can be put on the table. In expensive vodkas - a bottle of 70% of the price.
    2. -4
      16 February 2021 10: 29
      Quote: Dalny V
      And why hell, I beg your pardon, the authorities still need, how not to provide the needs of the population?


      you are a funny person.
      Vlati DOES NOT deal with meeting the needs of the population, but they are always engaged in one-exploitation of the population i.e. legalized robbery. So it was under any government and under the Bolshevik too.
    3. Fat
      +1
      19 February 2021 01: 02
      "The Ministry of Love instilled fear. There were no windows in the building. Winston never crossed its threshold, never came closer than half a kilometer to him. It was possible to get there only on official business, and even then overcoming a whole maze of barbed wire, steel doors and camouflaged machine-gun nests.Even the streets leading to the outer ring of fences were patrolled by black-uniformed guards with gorilla faces and articulated clubs.
      "The Ministry of Love was the really frightening one. There were no windows in it at all. Winston had never been inside the Ministry of Love, nor within half a kilometer of it. It was a place impossible to enter except on official business, and then only by penetrating through a maze of barbed-wire entanglements, steel doors, and hidden machine-gun nests. Even the streets leading up to its outer barriers were roamed by gorilla-faced guards in black uniforms, armed with jointed truncheons. "

      - If you are in the minority - and even in the singular - it does not mean that you are insane. There is truth and there is untruth, and if you stick to the truth, even in spite of the whole world, you are not insane.
      - War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is power.
      - Power is not a means; she is the goal. A dictatorship is not instituted to guard the revolution; a revolution is made in order to establish a dictatorship. The purpose of repression is repression. The purpose of torture is torture. The goal of power is power....
  9. +10
    16 February 2021 06: 28
    acquired land ownership
    ,,, yes we have no property. When buying a land plot, it is probably a temporary or perpetual lease from the state. Hence the annual taxes.
  10. +9
    16 February 2021 06: 54
    Good material. I keep thinking, where does this desire come from to find myself an object for national love or the same hatred. It turns out that everything has a scientific explanation.
    But I cannot support the idea that the source of paternalism is an exclusively rural lifestyle.
  11. +9
    16 February 2021 07: 38
    ... That is, the generations of the 50-60s and beyond should give up their place in leadership positions to representatives of the generations of 2000 and so.


    We recently discussed this constellation of managers with colleagues. It seems to be a good education (red diplomas from leading universities, budget). They speak well, competently at interviews. Smart phrases know by mouth. But now you set a specific task. And that's all. Basta, Teletubbies. The train does not go further. The rail is over. They cannot categorically make managerial decisions on their own. They can talk. Handsomely. There is no way to achieve results.
    1. +8
      16 February 2021 07: 58
      But I see - who is achieving the result.
      For example, in one of the districts of Moscow, my graduate student copes with snow. Successfully.

      Yes. He does not work in his specialty.
      But they taught him to work and achieve results.
      Origin - the countryside of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug.
      1. +4
        16 February 2021 08: 08
        Quote from Korsar4
        But I see - who is achieving the result.
        For example, in one of the districts of Moscow, my graduate student copes with snow. Successfully.

        Yes. He does not work in his specialty.
        But they taught him to work and achieve results.
        Origin - the countryside of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug.


        I'll tell you a little secret. Nobody copes with snow in Moscow and the region. Trust me. It is impossible to walk down the street. With public transport - collapse. Only in the subway everything is fine. There is no snow there.

        1. +7
          16 February 2021 08: 14
          A pedestrian. I feel good.
          I was in Moscow on Sunday. From morning to evening. Enjoyed life.
          I did without the metro.

          Believe me, if the work had not been organized, you would have felt much stronger.
        2. +6
          16 February 2021 08: 15
          I did not face any problems with electric trains on the Yaroslavl direction.
          And there are many people - the paths are well trodden.

          Or maybe I just love to walk.
          1. +10
            16 February 2021 08: 59
            And there are many people - the paths are well trodden.

            And it is not so with us)))
            All day yesterday the tractors were puffing, the roads and popular paths were being cleaned, and in the evening I went to throw out the garbage and almost broke my legs: no one had cleared the way to the trash bin! I walked, fell through, holes - almost waist-deep, those that were created before me, and those that I created)))
            1. +4
              16 February 2021 10: 14
              There is no snow today. I was a little more upset by the ice of the previous days.

              The meeting was yesterday. Spring is coming.
              1. +3
                16 February 2021 11: 20
                Here I do not observe church holidays, for the soul does not lie in the church. I am too a man of the era of atheism, although I am baptized and believe in Gd as the creator of everything. I guess I'm wrong. If there is a church with its schedule, how, when and what, then He has provided for this too)))
                1. Fat
                  +3
                  17 February 2021 01: 30
                  It was the custom of a Russian person of the Soviet era to be an unchurched Christian. He does not need intermediaries. He prefers to communicate with the creator personally. The church is not priests that are white or black, but a parish (egregor)
                  Do you need sales consultants? Do you like officials?
                  The Creator has foreseen everything, except for a lot of money for "treba" (rituals) No. stop
              2. +5
                16 February 2021 11: 47
                There is no snow today. I was a little more upset by the ice of the previous days.

                We have a collapse today. Snow fell at night. In the morning I was driving - there are few accidents, but everyone is driving slowly. I spent twice as much time.
                1. +3
                  16 February 2021 18: 17
                  But it was snowing a little. I'll get out on the street now and see what and how.
    2. +11
      16 February 2021 11: 19
      - Hello, I'm talking about work ...
      - well! There's a broom at the entrance, sweep the yard.
      - Sorry, but I graduated from the law faculty of Moscow State University!
      - @ l ... Okay, I'll show you how.
  12. +4
    16 February 2021 07: 53
    The topic in the article is interesting, but reflected one-sidedly. For the author, it all comes down to why we are such "lapotniks" and put cans on the table. And if you are a worker, a peasant, then children will live with the appropriate mentality.
    But if you are an intellectual in the third generation, then your children will not put cans on the table!
    The theory of paternalism was not invented in Russia, and it was invented to explain some of the processes in society.
    And if you look at the history of the development of society from a primitive system, this phenomenon has always been and was not a brake in the development of society, but rather the opposite. Children learn from their elders, and who else? and adopt the experience of previous generations, but in the modern world it was considered a brake on the development of society. I wonder why? The main thesis of paternalism is that a person should not have authority. Those. parents are not authorities, the authorities are not satisfied - the same thing. Somehow everything is super revolutionary. Only in the West was this theory invented, and it is being promoted in third countries. Ukraine is an example of this. That in the West there are no problems raised in this theory? Yes, but the author stubbornly reduces everything to the Russian Federation.
    Why did the author provide links to works on this topic and a lot? It's just that the people are not the one who got this government. It is necessary to somehow justify the failures in economics and politics.
    The topic is interesting for specialists and, which the author did not mention, intersects, or rather complements the concept of bioethics in its broadest sense.
    One of the postulates of bioethics is justice, and justice is a universal, biblical concept.
    1. +7
      16 February 2021 08: 04
      And if the hostess loves to cook and knows how, purchased canned food on the festive table simply will not appear. Not in any form.

      Maybe some olives or capers that we don't grow.

      You can talk about justice endlessly. And Confucius will not be the first.
      1. +6
        16 February 2021 09: 45
        "Now add something about space,
        Then about the joyful dawn,
        Then put your own signature,
        And take it to the Committee "(c) laughing
        1. +5
          16 February 2021 10: 20
          And I remembered a quote:

          “It turned out in this jar - not meat.
          It turned out to be in this can of herring "(c).
          1. +8
            16 February 2021 10: 23
            "I bring to the light
            The last biscuit
            And I divide it into six persons.
            But there is no Belomor,
            And there are no matches either.
            But twenty tons of herring. "(C)
            1. +2
              16 February 2021 18: 14
              “There are only three wonderful things: Dutch soot, Dutch cheese and Dutch herrings” (c).
              1. +5
                16 February 2021 18: 33
                How?! And the Flying Dutchman "? !!!
                1. +3
                  16 February 2021 19: 16
                  You can't argue with Captain Vrungel.
                  1. +4
                    16 February 2021 20: 02
                    As well as with the writer Platov with his novel "The Secret Fairway".
                    1. +3
                      17 February 2021 14: 56
                      As well as with the writer Platov with his novel "The Secret Fairway".

                      By the way, why shouldn't our dashing Sergei-Bubalik consider the topic of Hitler's submarines that surrendered after the Victory? drinks
      2. +5
        16 February 2021 10: 24
        It is a pity that you remembered about canned food, although the article is not about that at all.
        1. +3
          16 February 2021 18: 15
          Of course. There are many aspects. You can't react to everything.
          1. +2
            16 February 2021 18: 20
            The topic, in my opinion, is important, but as always, they discuss cooking and verses.
            am somewhere the author got lost, otherwise he usually sits on the site and distributes to everyone by earrings. I hope I am not sick.
            1. +2
              16 February 2021 19: 14
              Still living their own lives. And she is a priority.
              1. +3
                16 February 2021 19: 18
                This is yes. But he rarely skips his articles.
    2. +10
      16 February 2021 09: 37
      why we are such "lapotniks" and put cans on the table. And if you are a worker, a peasant, then children will live with the appropriate mentality.
      But if you are an intellectual in the third generation, then your children will not put cans on the table!


      I remember very well the recommendation I read back in Soviet times: the can is opened completely, put on a plate and served as it is. The recommendation came from some Her Majesty, either a chef, or a master of ceremonies-specialist. The guest takes a jar and, using a special separate device (fork, spoon, ...), puts on his plate as much as it should. And you only need to put the contents out of the jar when preparing salads.

      The main thing that Vyacheslav Olegovich, it seems to me, did not mention - we live not only in an era of political changes, but a change in technological order.
      1. +3
        16 February 2021 09: 59
        Quote: depressant
        I remember very well the recommendation I read back in Soviet times: the can is opened completely, put on a plate and served as it is. The recommendation came from some Her Majesty, either a chef, or a master of ceremonies-specialist.

        I totally believe. Canned food used to be terribly expensive, and under the king it meant the status of a rich man.
        1. +7
          16 February 2021 10: 45
          And, imagine, my colleague, just now I saw in the photo that it was precisely on the recommendation of a bank specialist with canned food that it was put on the festive table in this way. And now we are returning to a time when for many one-time "disposal" of the contents of a can into their stomach is an unaffordable luxury. And now there are a lot of blogs on the Internet where skilled housewives tell how to cook borscht from a can of meat carcass for the whole family and not for one day, but at least two. And from a can of canned pink salmon or even from sprat or anchovy - quite an acceptable ear.
          In fact, I gained such experience in the 80s and 90s, now it would be useful, but the prices for such cans are biting)))
          1. +2
            16 February 2021 11: 46
            Quote: depressant
            Imagine, colleague, just now I saw in the photo that it was precisely on the recommendation of a bank specialist with canned food that it was put on the festive table in this way.

            Yeah, I noticed too. Although now I specially took out two books on home economics, both of the 50s, there is nothing written about canned food. Probably this Nadya had an old book, like Elena Molokhovets, which she conscientiously studied.
            Quote: depressant
            And now there are a lot of blogs on the Internet where skilled housewives tell how to cook borscht from a can of meat carcass for the whole family and not for one day, but at least two.

            Exactly. Summer will come, I will probably also take off a film, like opening canned food on asphalt. Let the intilligination learn, the proletariat can still do something! laughing
            1. +3
              16 February 2021 20: 19
              "Sportloto-82" instead of instructions.
              1. +2
                17 February 2021 04: 06
                Quote from Korsar4
                "Sportloto-82" instead of instructions.

                I've always laughed at them. Mountains, full of abrasive, and they could not print canned food.
          2. BAI
            +3
            16 February 2021 13: 38
            Here are other recommendations. The photo above is shown.

          3. Fat
            +2
            17 February 2021 02: 00
            Oh, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. Having called canned soup quite acceptable fish soup, you hurried. This is very conditionally edible stuff. UHA is the poetry of a fisherman. In Kostroma, on the market, a kilo of damn small change - about 100 rubles, and it will be gutted and cleaned by the buyer. From this can, with skill, turn out "quite an acceptable ear". In a normal fishing ear, the spoon will not sink, even if nothing is added except salt.
            From canned food and frostbitten fish - there will never be any fish soup! A vulgar fish soup.
            Sorry.
      2. +4
        16 February 2021 10: 52
        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, nothing to do with canned food.
        According to the theory of paternalism, how? Raised a child, learned it, but he does not want to work and only dreams, as TV shows, to immediately become successful and rich and tell his parents "You taught me the wrong thing" by the "bastards" themselves and brought me up like that, but had to ride me on limousines in the resorts and teach not in the secondary school and the university, in a cool abroad in elite institutions. Etc. and on this go all of you to hell.
        So in society, a bunch of losers have gathered and blames everyone except themselves for everything, and according to the theory of paternalism, she rejects all "authorities", including the existing government, and decides to change the government so that her life becomes better.
        Example Ukraine. The youth were explained, according to the theory of paternalism, that all the problems are from the "losers" of the parents, who went in the wrong direction. Why jumped on the Maidan? Everyone wanted to get to Europe and thought that having got there all their problems would be solved automatically.
        The main thing in this theory is the denial of authority.
        1. +6
          16 February 2021 11: 29
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, nothing to do with canned food.

          Eh, no, colleague! Canned food has something to do with it. If the question is posed bluntly: what to cook borscht from - from an inaccessible beef brisket or edge, or from an equally inaccessible carcass, and this despite the fact that in Zen there is the luxury of cooking grub from everything expensive and, as you rightly noted, The networks, and the propaganda of a luxurious lifestyle on TV, then the question clearly and unequivocally develops into a political one, namely: who rules us and what all these people want.
          1. +4
            16 February 2021 11: 38
            Do your children help you financially?
    3. -1
      16 February 2021 10: 43
      Quote: ee2100
      The main thesis of paternalism is that a person should not have authority.


      in this process of denial of denials, it is necessary to stop somewhere. If, as we now see, any power is evil and violence against the people, then the authority of the family, i.e. father is a boon to the family.
      The authority of the authorities must be opposed to the authority of society, but this we no longer have, the Russian society was destroyed by the Bolsheviks and therefore now the authority of the authorities is undivided, they do whatever they want. For example, Putin's recent reforms to increase the retirement age. Society, the people do not even have the opportunity than to object.
      1. +4
        16 February 2021 11: 01
        From this theory, ideologists in the Russian Federation have chosen a different component. That the children of the "lapotniks" and the children will be "lapotniks" .Tk. Parents cannot teach their children anything progressive.
        And if so, then how do not lead this rabble, nothing good will come of it.
        Those. all failures in the economy and domestic politics can be attributed, based on the theory of paternalism, not to one's own ability, but to the "wrong" people.
        1. -1
          16 February 2021 11: 05
          Quote: ee2100
          That children of "bast shoes" and children will be "bast shoes"


          is it so? Is this paternalism?
          1. +3
            16 February 2021 11: 35
            Paternalism, to put it simply, is when you raised a child in your own likeness, and the child believes that this is a brake on his self-realization and he has the right to abandon his earlier obligations, let's say continue the family business. And he will go to the USA to study paternalism.
            Globally, this is an excuse for color revolutions (Ukraine).
            The Russian Federation took one part of the theory about the wrong people.
            1. +1
              16 February 2021 11: 48
              in the net you can find the definition of paternalism - it is the authority of the father or the authority of power.
              And in your opinion it turns out that since children do not obey their father, then pationalism is the absence of authority or power. Your definition fits better with the definition of anarchism. No?
              1. +3
                16 February 2021 11: 57
                I have expressed to you my understanding of this concept.
                "You can not find a definition of paternalism, it is the authority of the father or the authority of power" is the reason for this phenomenon.
                But in the development of this theory, they figured out how to deal with this phenomenon, this overthrow of authorities.
                In the USSR, this theory was considered bourgeois.
        2. +1
          16 February 2021 11: 52
          Quote: ee2100
          From this theory, ideologists in the Russian Federation have chosen a different component. That the children of the "bast boots" and the children will be "bast boots".

          This is the opinion of the author. Moreover, quite controversial. Like, like we came to a Spanish restaurant, and here you are, the granddaughter holds the knife and fork correctly, although she was not taught this! And the fact that the author was deceived in this restaurant, to put it mildly, he did not notice.
          1. +4
            16 February 2021 12: 05
            The author promotes one side of this theory adopted in the Russian Federation.
            Of the people that the current government has inherited "village", "Sovietness", etc. for 20 years not to knock out and therefore all the failures in the economy and domestic policy on the conscience of the people. That's the kind of people got.
            And the author opposes his family to all the other "bast shoes". A child eats with a knife and a fork - consider the elite!
            1. 0
              16 February 2021 12: 09
              Quote: ee2100
              A child eats with a knife and a fork - consider the elite!

              Moreover, it is European. But what about other cultures, where they eat with chopsticks, or, in general, horror with their hands, like eating pilaf, rolling balls with your hands? Savages! Yes
              1. +5
                16 February 2021 12: 33
                Here is the proverb about the monastery and the charter!
    4. +1
      16 February 2021 16: 13
      "if you are an intellectual in the third generation, then your children will not put canned food on the table" my mother is an intellectual in the first generation, but she will not put canned fish on the festive table. Although he prefers a minimum of dishes.
    5. 0
      16 February 2021 19: 21
      The topic in the article is interesting, but reflected one-sidedly. For the author, it all comes down to why we are such "lapotniki"

      The author has an unrequited complex - he wants to be in "their nobility", but it does not work out among those who are around, there are a lot of them, and who do not want to wash their dishes and therefore put a jar of sprats on the table.
      On the topic of paternalism in the Russian and Soviet periods, S.G. Kara-Murza in his books about the development of our country in the twentieth century. Here he is a really deep author.
  13. +1
    16 February 2021 08: 10
    the author tell us about the raskrestyanivanie 90s. When they called everyone to become farmers. And now there are no farmers, no villages.
    As for the choice between paternalism and liberalism. It is a choice to live with parents or be a street child.
    1. +3
      16 February 2021 09: 31
      Quote: Gardamir
      the author, tell us about the de-peasantry of the 90s

      Yes, the author about the raskrestyanivanie in 30 years specifically, and the entire first paragraph is just a disgrace.
      1. +1
        16 February 2021 10: 36
        specifically
        I think the dissertation is drawn. "Bank of sprat as the basis of paternalism".
  14. +6
    16 February 2021 08: 15
    And what is the actual news? In the fact that the tsar-father, represented by several specific persons, 100 years before the VOSR, did everything to keep the country 85-90% peasant and then, so that it would not be wound on caterpillars, these same peasants were hastily herded into schools and vocational schools, or even universities, making up for 50 years of lag. There was no other human resource. And now, for those who are over 50, dreams are limited to a personal house, and their interests are vodka and philistine serials. My brother, born in 1986, did not think of anything better how to build a private house near Kazan, but what about, while in the north the big salaries must be drained somewhere. Do not care that in any crisis this most private will be the first to go to a known place, since it is too expensive to maintain it.

    Yes, people must die, with them vegetable gardens, cottages and other economic insanity generated by memories and barefoot childhood in a village or semi-village must disappear. Moreover, these people in fact have not seen real peasant labor.
    1. +3
      16 February 2021 12: 45
      ... these people have never seen real peasant labor.


      Yes, the technological order is changing - this is important to understand. The pace of this change was rather slow in the 20th century, and only now it is becoming obvious that all these farms, collective farms, kibbutzim, etc., and with them rural communities with their customs and mentality are already yesterday. The food industry is being replaced, both natural and artificial. The contours of this industry are already outlined in the form of huge agricultural holdings, as well as laboratories for the production of artificial meat and any other types of food, which will very soon be embodied in industrial solutions.

      But the question is different!

      It is in the mentality, as a component of the human essence, which - yes, as correctly noted - is formed and absorbed mainly until the age of 7, when the child has not yet entered the critical age (10-11 years). That is why the militants, even in Africa, even in the Arab countries, involve fools in terrorist activities. And why Russia is so hated and despised by the children of the Russian rich - what they have heard from their parents, they have learned forever. The mentality of the population is not able to follow the technological revolution, because it is carried out by some clever people, but the mentality of the ruling stratum is obliged to follow it. And if not, then the ruling layer should be updated!

      Therefore, the main question of V.O. Shpakovsky - veiled. Dear Author, not wishing to show himself as a politically engaged person, brings us to the thought: but analyze, dear readers, who rules us.
      And we are ruled in the era of the Internet, the beginning of digital intervention in all spheres of life, digital money, imagine, the digital ruble will be marked in some situations - in the era of industrialization of food production - in this era we are ruled by the same peasants of the kulak, redneck type.
      How else to assess their vulgar money-grubbing? How else to treat their Empire-style palaces, the curtain of the Mausoleum, bills abroad, passports of foreign states, their offshore fuss, the robbery of the budget, their misanthropic children? To the letters received for the nobility - from rags to riches, to the awards of the Maltese Order and their countless orders, which are awarded to themselves with enviable regularity simply because of their own existence as the chosen ones, to their holy confidence that they are the chosen ones? To their swagger, to their contempt for the needs of the growing generations of ordinary citizens who want decent work?
      You can list for a long time ...
      All these people in the second or third generation came from the villagers. Having occupied government positions, the villagers remained. Not at the level of upcoming changes. About this article.
      1. BAI
        +4
        16 February 2021 13: 45
        brings us to the thought: analyze, dear readers, who rules us.

        The author has no such thought. If only because the current government absolutely suits him and at one time he actively went to pickets and demonstrations in support of Yeltsin.
        The author suggests that the overwhelming majority of the population does not understand this, but according to his Paretto theory, he is the elite and understands this.
        1. 0
          16 February 2021 15: 22
          The author has no such thought.

          Most likely, you are right)))
          But then, unwittingly, Mr. Shpakovsky led me to this idea.
          After all, if we talk about the paternalistic aspirations of the people, then their ostentatious expression was harshly stimulated not only and not so much by police truncheons as by the absolute hopelessness to achieve a fair solution to any issue related to disputes with the bureaucratic vertical, in court, as well as by threats of extrajudicial reprisals against the complainant. Such examples are innumerable, especially in business. And people deduced for themselves: it is better to portray loyal feelings, to accept the order of things, for the other is dearer to themselves. But the stronger the anger suppressed in the people, the less ostentatious acceptance of the committed iniquity is capable of forming into a stable mentality of new generations. And it doesn't add up.
          What else, besides the knocking of truncheons on shields, does such power play? On the inspired thought: you, people, do not want the collapse of Russia? So bear with us for who we are. We will not change, we do not want, we are not capable. And if you don't want to endure, you will get those who twist Navalny, then - the disintegration of the country, the disasters of millions, the collapse of the civilization of Russians, in the future - a complete withdrawal from history. And since in such a statement there is a certain amount of truth, which is instinctively felt by everyone, then ... they endure! For there is no alternative.
          But all patience, like cowardice, comes to an end.
        2. BAI
          +1
          16 February 2021 16: 09
          The author suggests that the overwhelming majority of the population does not understand this

          here the site automatically removed one word should be:
          The author suggests that the overwhelming majority of the population b.y. and does not understand this
      2. +3
        16 February 2021 15: 13
        "Rural communities with their customs and mentality are already yesterday" Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I would slap - but next 2 +: I am rural by birth and upbringing and it hurts me that this one is a thing of the past. But nothing leaves without a trace.
        Thousands of years have passed since homosapiens appeared, but primitive instincts are still alive and will live in us.
        Paganism seemed to be a thing of the past, but the echoes of paganism are still alive and well.
        As long as the land and plants exist, they will be, even if the modified peasants and the peasant mentality will not disappear 100%.
        1. +5
          16 February 2021 15: 43
          it hurts me that this one is a thing of the past. But nothing leaves without a trace.

          Do you think it doesn't hurt me?
          Yes, I almost every day remember my grandmother's house in the Kuban village. As I, a child, go out onto the stone porch, the sun rises behind the house, and I, dressed only in a light chintz dress, is seized by an incomparable feeling of April morning freshness, such as I have never experienced in my life again. And in front of me was a long plot of land, 75 hundredths of prime black soil, behind which a distant glade, lined with old pears, and between their trunks the earth is covered with a carpet of local snowdrops - woodlands.
          Now there is a city.
          1. +2
            16 February 2021 21: 13
            It turns out we are fellow countrymen?
            If I am not mistaken, "now there is a city" - Kushchevsk or Ust - Labinsk
            1. +3
              16 February 2021 21: 19
              Quote: vladcub
              It turns out we are fellow countrymen?
              If I am not mistaken, "now there is a city" - Kushchevsk or Ust - Labinsk

              Not certainly in that way )))
              The city of Ubezhensk is now. And there was the village of Ubezhenskaya. Mother from there.
              1. +2
                16 February 2021 21: 54
                In this case, "call" - already the "brotherly" people there, and I am from the Kuban Cossacks "assigned".
              2. +2
                16 February 2021 22: 00
                Sorry, I forgot. The village of Ubezhenskaya of the Assumption Village Council, Krasnodar Territory (Vika glanced)
                1. +3
                  16 February 2021 22: 19
                  So you can't remember all the cities and villages of the Krasnadar Territory)))
                  By the way, what amazed me then: Elbrus! Well, he is not visible from there, he is too far away, but I saw him, clearly and distinctly - a mirage! In those years, the air above the edge was clean, neatly disassembled into layers - warm and cold, and therefore regularly conveyed the mirage of Elbrus. Subsequently, mirages were just as regularly "broadcast" from Turkey to the coast of Abkhazia, where they had to live because of their father's illness. Hmmm ... Now, probably, there is nothing like that.
  15. +11
    16 February 2021 08: 16
    It turns out that it took as much as 45 years to decipher the messages that Ryazanov encrypted in the scene with the festive table in his film.
    There are three points here.
    First .
    Such as Ryazanov, eternally greasy, maybe the life of the table in the film was laid precisely according to the ethics of the Ryazanov-Akhedzhak manner, the so-called intelligentsia of that time.
    Second.
    Ryazanov, who was looking to ridicule the USSR through encrypted scenes, could really do this to please the same liberals of that time, the Akhedzhakovs and the Basilashvili, so that they would poke around in the film every second, looking for as many attacks as possible on the Soviet people and Soviet life. And the Soviet people did not even notice that he eats sprat in the movie with his hands, because he eats sprat, from which sprats are made.
    The third.
    A woman gets into a taxi in the back seat and, while driving, complains to a taxi driver that, they say, she had to leave her birthday, because there is no aesthetics, because they ate a goose there with a fork, but they ate sprat with their hands. Imagine - with the hands of a sprat, what a horror, zero aesthetics. To which the taxi driver asks her:
    - Sorry . Is it okay that I'm sitting with my back to you ..?
    1. +2
      16 February 2021 20: 11
      Yes Ryazanov he is! But every phrase is a quote!
      "Her salary is secretarial, and the dressers are entirely foreign. How she does it is a mystery!"
      1. +3
        16 February 2021 22: 06
        Quote: ee2100
        She has a secretarial salary, and the toilets are entirely foreign. How she does it is a mystery! 

        Alexander, well, you have a memory! )))
        I watched these films closer to the 90s. From "Enjoy Your Bath!" I remembered only that the heroes were very drunk, and from "Office Romance" - the ugly Akhedzhakova, trying to teach her boss to walk on the podium. If I knew then that they would sort it out for quotes, I would write something in a notebook)))
        1. +2
          16 February 2021 23: 02
          Lyudmila Yakovlevna, it is clear that this is not my memory. I remembered it "close to the text" and refreshed everything on the Internet
          1. +2
            16 February 2021 23: 44
            Yes, I was just joking good-naturedly. The culture of these films is far from me. They are in the context of being, with which I actually did not come into contact, everything in them is alien to me, but probably close to those who started a conversation about them. Sometimes it seems to me that in those years life in Russia (RSFSR) was childishly naive. That's why everything turned out so badly. I lived in a more dangerous environment, forcing me to look closely and listen to every political movement, so I foresaw everything in advance. Like many of the people around me. Here, in Central Russia, childhood really reigned under the supervision of cunning adults. Well, these are thoughts out loud, never mind.
            I just read what my dear colleagues write, and for some reason it seemed that a carefree childhood is still going on. However, maybe it should be so. And there - how the curve will take out.
            1. +2
              17 February 2021 00: 11
              It is clear that not everyone is as "lucky" as you are. And indeed, many were going with the flow, as for me, I wanted to grasp the economic component of the process.
              No one could believe that such a colossus would collapse. In September 1991 we left for Paris on a voucher. 7 people remained in France. There were 2 teachers in the group, with their own sausage, coffee, etc. And I asked them why to go to Paris (3 nights) and take all the food with me. To which they reasonably replied that they bought vouchers for the last money and decided to see Paris, because this window of opportunity will close soon. Here is the mood of the teachers of the capital city of that time.
              1. -1
                17 February 2021 00: 35
                Quote: ee2100
                ... To which they reasonably replied that they bought vouchers for the last money and decided to see Paris, because this window of opportunity will close soon.

                In the 89th I was given a ticket to the Crimea. Is free. Refused. In the mid-90s, a girl wanted to take my vacation to Paris. I sent her to hell.
                1. 0
                  17 February 2021 07: 17
                  "Where to go" is the USA?
            2. +1
              19 February 2021 10: 31
              hi good morning, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! I could not stand it ---- I want to add my own 5 kopecks. [Quote] [quote] [quote] [/ quote] [/ quote] [/ q
            3. +2
              19 February 2021 10: 46
              Childishly naive, do you say? Eeeeeeee no! In the movies, it looks like the life of toddlers and babies in the Sunny City! That's what! The generation that grew up after the Second World War - greenhouse conditions, did not know anything bad. Their parents, survivors of the Second World War, their grandfathers, who caught them before the revolution -------- took care of them, did not injure the child's psyche! That's why it all happened. There were no other problems, other dreams, except for jeans and canned beer, or 0,33.
              Just came back. I haven't read the article yet, only your comments hi hi hi
              1. +1
                19 February 2021 11: 47
                The article is killer, Dimochka! Good day!)))
                But the number of comments does not allow to continue the discussion from the phone, it takes bad things)))
                1. +1
                  19 February 2021 12: 09
                  Quote: depressant
                  The article is killer, Dimochka! Good day!)))
                  But the number of comments does not allow to continue the discussion from the phone, it takes bad things)))

                  I only thought so. laughing lol wassat and the emoticons are completely insolent! Want to do hi, and done which, then 10 minutes is spent on fixing ...
                  .
                  Well, the quotes are also mockery. negative
  16. +3
    16 February 2021 08: 23
    And it should also be remembered that the village that Shpakovsky saw and remembers, and which I also fiercely hate, is a village from which all those who had at least some brains and education left, nothing else after decades of attracting rural youth to army and educational institutions, there simply could not stay. Likewise, the modern proletariat, in which there are no masters, golden hands, because nafig these hands are not needed by anyone when there are CNC machines, and everyone who knew how to think a little went to the engineer.
    1. -2
      16 February 2021 10: 52
      Quote: EvilLion
      that the village that Shpakovsky saw and remembers, and which I also fiercely hate,


      such a procedure was built by the Bolsheviks, and agricultural production in the USSR was the most ineffective in the world. On collective farms, peasants worked for sticks.
      1. +1
        16 February 2021 12: 36
        Quote: Bar1
        On collective farms, peasants worked for sticks.

        You forgot to write what year it was. For example, my dad, working as a combine operator on the Niva, in the 85th received about 400 rubles.
        1. 0
          16 February 2021 13: 20
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          You forgot to write what year it was. For example, my dad, working as a combine operator on the Niva, in the 85th received about 400 rubles.


          this is true, but you remember that in the 70-80s all the rural people rushed to the city. Is it because they began to live so well? Of course not, as they lived under the Soviet regime always badly and lived to see "developed socialism", but still bad.
          1. +1
            16 February 2021 13: 56
            Quote: Bar1
            this is true, but you remember that in the 70-80s all the rural people rushed to the city. Is it because they began to live so well?

            Rushed in different ways. Specifically, my uncles: three rushed to the north, knocked off the money, Dad also rushed to the Far East in the 70s, although he did not bring a fig from there, except for a dried seahorse, he blew all the money into cards, his aunt, for example, was sent by distribution, grandfather, too, after the penal battalion was put in the mine, and not in his native collective farm, after the war, the grandmother did not work anywhere at all, another grandfather guarded flowers at the state farm ... It was different. Coming with Batya to the collective farm in the 80s, I saw enough of the boys, the combine operator's assistants, who received 300 rubles a month.
            1. -1
              16 February 2021 14: 59
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              boys, combine operator's assistants, who received 300 rubles a month.


              received in the harvest season, July-August and EVERYTHING, and then again for sticks.
              1. +1
                16 February 2021 15: 01
                Quote: Bar1
                and then again for the sticks.

                In the 80s? Not.
                1. 0
                  16 February 2021 15: 03
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: Bar1
                  and then again for the sticks.

                  In the 80s? Not.


                  well, no, but the rest of the year the collective farmers were sitting on 40 rubles.
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2021 15: 09
                    Quote: Bar1
                    well, no, but the rest of the year the collective farmers were sitting on 40 rubles.

                    Yes figs there. Damn, now and there really is no one to ask. They were translated. My dad, for example, was a tractor operator. In the spring he plowed, in the summer he threshed, in the fall he picked potatoes.
                    1. 0
                      16 February 2021 15: 18
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Yes figs there. Damn, now and there really is no one to ask. They were translated. My dad, for example, was a tractor operator. In the spring - plowed, in the summer - threshed, in the fall - picked potatoes


                      yes, it cannot be so if you are talking about the black soil Ukraine, the Don, the Volga region, but there were high yields of ear crops, but only potatoes were not planted there, but potatoes were grown on the non-black earth and there were also wheat fields, but on the non-black earth there were combine peasants They could not earn much, because they paid from production, and in the non-black soil, wheat yields in the USSR were 8-10 cents / ha. There were potatoes, but no one gave a damn about potatoes under Soviet power. We collected, I collected, the students, then the potatoes rotted in warehouses, then the students sorted it out again.
                      1. 0
                        16 February 2021 15: 20
                        Quote: Bar1
                        Yes, it cannot be so if you are talking about the black earth Ukraine, Don, Volga region

                        I'm talking about the Tula region.
                      2. 0
                        16 February 2021 15: 24
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I'm talking about the Tula region.


                        They themselves said that your relatives scattered in different directions. Understand, when there is no owner of the land and there is no market where it can be sold, then there is no order. So it turned out that the USSR bent over from disorder.
                        And most importantly, when there is a master on earth, the RUSSIAN PEASANT was afraid of both tsarism and Bolshevism.
                      3. 0
                        16 February 2021 21: 39
                        Quote: Bar1
                        they themselves said that your relatives fled in different directions.

                        We had a coal village.
                      4. -1
                        16 February 2021 21: 54
                        Quote: Bar1
                        they themselves said that your relatives fled in different directions.

                        We lived in miners' villages, they were worked out.
                      5. -1
                        17 February 2021 00: 39
                        Quote: Bar1
                        they themselves said that your relatives fled in different directions

                        Not this way. Two mining villages, both developed in the 60s. My grandfather retired, by the way, his pension was 110 rubles.
                      6. 0
                        19 February 2021 11: 06
                        This is what is coming! Vladimir! hi ?? mining village, but still need on the ground? That is, you can't live on one salary? You know why the Tula region is interesting to me. So, my relatives worked at a cardboard factory, some at a thermal power plant. At the same time, the economy was necessary: ​​a potato, a vegetable garden, a garden, chickens, ducks, geese, all sorts of animals. At the same time they lived in poverty. There are photos, stories, children died, both before the war and then. In the 50s, that generation left the countryside. Many incomprehensible .......
                      7. 0
                        19 February 2021 11: 31
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        but at the same time you still need on earth? That is, you can't live on one salary?

                        Specifically, my grandfather received enough so that my grandmother would not work at all after the war, while they raised 3 of them. Another had five children. And about the garden - it's easier to live with it now.
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Moreover, the economy was necessary.

                        Yes, you can't raise a lot from 12 acres for a family of 5 or 7 people. That's just two hundred square meters per person. And they went to where they were given housing, or by distribution. I proceed from the stories of my relatives' families.
                      8. +1
                        19 February 2021 11: 41
                        That village is long gone, they began to move everyone to Aleksin, late 50s, early 60s. But I was in that place. Maybe in that factory, they paid little on cardboard? it was far to go to her, work in shifts, 3 shifts ...
                        And those who were at the CHPP, they somehow received well and it was very respected, after the Second World War it was. Several generations of my relatives have worked there and are still working there.
                      9. -1
                        19 February 2021 11: 48
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Maybe in that factory they paid little on cardboard?

                        I don’t know about the factory, but at the TPP, or rather the state district power station, my neighbor worked in the USSR, all the rooms were filled with Soviet books, they really got good money there. Now one friend works at this state district power station, his salary is 25 thousand.
                      10. +2
                        19 February 2021 11: 57
                        My uncle works there now, but I don't know about his salary ...
                        And one of the grandfathers after this CHP began to rise strongly and built and handed over such objects all over the world. I did not even write an application for retirement, he worked in Moscow until his death in this mode ... 10 years ago he left. Nails would be made of these people ...
          2. +2
            16 February 2021 14: 34
            Colleague Bar1, let me explain.
            Under Stalin, collective farmers were paid for their workday with natural products, which the same collective farmer produced. At first, the collective farm handed over the products relying on the plan to the "bins of the Motherland", handed over there exactly as much as was needed to pay taxes, equipment, spare parts, etc., and the remainder of the harvest was handed out to the collective farmers for workdays. At that moment, cooperatives came and at a good price bought from the collective farmers for cash that part of the received that they wanted to sell. And the one that did not want, the collective farmers took to the cities to the collective farm markets and sold for an even better price. Markets were inundated with products from these surpluses, as well as products from subsidiary plots and from individual farms, of whom there were 3,5 million.
            As a result, the collective farmers were interested in working as best as possible, and life on the collective farms was improving very quickly, many collective farms were confidently moving towards prosperity.
            But Khrushchev, considering this state of affairs to be a strengthening of the bourgeois component in a socialist state, abolished payment in kind for a workday and introduced a fixed one throughout the country, and it was quite small. The entire crop now had to be handed over to the state, in exchange for receiving money to pay for workdays, and for the purchase of equipment, spare parts, improvement of social and cultural life of the collective farm, money had to be begged for and often refused.
            As a result, socialism did not increase, and labor enthusiasm collapsed. Now there was no need to worry at work. You could just appear on it and do nothing all day - the payment will not decrease and will not increase, and the road to the village will not be asphalted, the club will not be repaired, the electricity will not be installed if they did not have time to do it earlier. A general drunkenness began ...
            The number of prosperous collective farms began to decline. The collective farm's success now depended only on the skill of the chairman. But the former chairmen, as class aliens, began to be replaced by “ideologically tested cadres” sent from the cities who, apart from pronouncing the correct slogans, could do nothing and did not understand agriculture at all.
            1. -1
              16 February 2021 14: 50
              do you not see the weak points of your reasoning?
              An OFFICIAL was inserted between the peasant production and between the urban industrial production, who distributed the products to the republics, cities and villages, and since an intermediary appeared in these economic relations between the city and the village, prices on the market became higher, therefore Stalinist socialism was initially less effective than market relations of other countries, say the USA and Germany.
              Distribution is where it is not needed always ruins the economy.
              Therefore, such "socialism" is nothing but declarations.
              If under Stalin there was still a cooperative-collective farm form of ownership, then Nikita killed everything, plus the homestead private plots of citizens.
              Remember the Kuban Cossacks of Pyryev's movie? Could there be such a luxury market in those days? No, I could not, it was already propaganda i.e. lies.
      2. 0
        17 February 2021 08: 51
        Well, I say, to drive everyone to the villages and serfdom. So that no one leaves.

        About sticks just do not, just do not disgrace yourself.
  17. +1
    16 February 2021 08: 43
    Having already seen the title, I assumed who the author was and was not mistaken)
  18. +3
    16 February 2021 09: 10
    Paternalism is a reliance on the state, which is just a social institution, and not something alien "Martian".

    The historical development of the Eastern Slavs, like any other peoples, began with the creation of a state in place of the tribes and ended with the creation of a state from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. Russia, by definition of our geopolitical adversaries, is the Heartland (the center of the planet Earth), and the Russians, respectively, are the kings of the mountain. It is logical that we have to defend our place under the sun all the way from those who want to replace us in the Heartland.

    Therefore, such a public instrument as the state is critically important for us, and this is already 60 years (after the excess of the urban population of the USSR over the rural one) has nothing to do with classical paternalism.

    Of course, there are supporters of anarchy in our society (examples in an article from the dissertations of graduates of the Penza fagot in the 1990s) - the family has its black sheep. But it is not our state that successfully works against them, but the neighboring ones - by encouraging sodomy and liberal fascism. By the way, the liberda really longs for paternalism like the Orwellian barnyard (the building of the US Congress was symbolically surrounded by barbed wire and surrounded by crowds of gendarmes) - the work of the British writer suddenly turned out to be a forecast of the future of the West, not Russia.

    We need to build up our geopolitical advantage in the form of educating each new generation in the spirit of strengthening such a social institution as the state - naturally, legal, with separation of powers, clear procedures, fostering patriotism rather than cosmopolitanism, protecting the family as a unit of society, developing private initiative in the economy. building up the nuclear missile shield, etc. etc.

    And let the rest of the peoples atomize and sodomize - we need to stimulate this process in every possible way in their societies and not necessarily publicly bully
  19. +2
    16 February 2021 09: 43
    Well, such an article from Mr. Shpakovsky is expected. In the comments, he ghostly hinted at “blue blood”, some kind of distant relatives. They say I’m not like you peasants, but the most that can’t eat a noble, hereditary. Well, maybe everyone was in the servants of the bar, feminine people, they gave birth to children regularly, the nobility loved this business. At a later time, this already comrade, with the help of his grandmother and mother, entered and graduated from the university, and with the advent of the present time, he began to consider himself a hereditary nobleman, naturally an intellectual. And what did the famous minds of Russia think of such people? An intellectual is not equal to a liberal. But almost always: a liberal is an intellectual. It's hard to disagree. Let's go further ... You illuminated your mind with enlightenment,

    You saw the truth

    And dearly loved the nations,

    And he wisely hated his ... A.S. Pushkin. F.M. Dostoevsky My liberal went so far as to deny Russia itself, that is, he hates and beats his mother. Every unfortunate and unfortunate Russian fact excites laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. If there is an excuse for him, it is perhaps that he does not understand what he is doing, and takes his hatred of Russia for the most fruitful liberalism ... also to the point. A.P. Chekhov ... I don’t believe in our intelligentsia, hypocritical, false, hysterical, ill-mannered, deceitful, I don’t even believe when she suffers and complains, because her oppressors come out of her own bowels ... You can go on and on. quotes, aren't they suitable for Mr. Shpakovsky?
  20. +5
    16 February 2021 10: 11
    In fact, the first thing that should be noted is what General Leonid Grigorievich Ivashov spoke about for a very long time, being Putin's advisor at that time.
    Our country is the largest in the world in terms of area, has the longest border, is literally stuffed with minerals, and if we want to keep it in one piece - and we want it, don't we? - then one-man management, a strong central government is inevitable paternalistic sense, and the peasant paternalistic mentality has nothing to do with this.
    Another thing is how this power understands its paternalism, how it implements it, using our understanding of the need for its paternalism. It seems to me that over the past decades, both understandings - the authorities and the people - have seriously diverged. The authorities were unable to rise to the level of the task assigned to it.
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  22. +6
    16 February 2021 11: 36
    I have a thought, but I cannot express it for everyone. But I'll try.
    It's all about ... hats. As soon as one person took off his hat in front of another, not out of respect, but because this other has a higher position or more money - that's it, the person ceased to be a person. And whole generations of people living in our country took off their hats. Moreover, they were forced to do it ... "The master is coming" ... "Do you know who his dad is?" "I am the boss - you ...". Those. people were taught to respect position, strength, money - and respect a person - weaned ...
    You can swear, you can not swear - Americans are more developed people in this sense, yes. They have not bowed to anyone for 400 years and have not taken off their hats. True, they have excesses in the other direction, but still ...
  23. +2
    16 February 2021 12: 10
    At school and after school I heard a lot about the "Short Course" and with ironic overtones.
    Now everything has fallen into place: "he covers his shortcomings with a false parody of well-being"
    Now it is clear why and the Union has welled up
  24. +1
    16 February 2021 12: 16
    And since we are talking about films, I want to share what I noticed long ago. Remember the wonderful movie "My Dear Man"? The scene when the hero of Alexei Batalov comes to the big party boss Alexei Antonovich. A front-line soldier comes, a respected doctor, and he tells him - "You ...", "Let's call, I'll tell you about you ...." ..
  25. -2
    16 February 2021 12: 18
    When I read "paternalism", I see the ears of a liberal.
  26. BAI
    +1
    16 February 2021 13: 00
    were infected ... paternalism... That is, they were in captivity of paternalistic, petty-bourgeois outlook on life.

    Let's open the definition of paternalism:
    Paternalism (from Lat. Paternus - "paternal, paternal") is a system of relations in which the authorities provide for the needs of citizens, and citizens in exchange for this allow the authorities to dictate models of their behavior, both public and private.

    Where and what is petty-bourgeois here?
  27. +3
    16 February 2021 14: 20
    Comrades, do you know which books I'll try to download for myself? - "Domostroy" and "Short Course". Both as mentors of life and as monuments of a bygone era
    1. 0
      16 February 2021 15: 04
      Quote: vladcub
      Comrades, do you know what books I'll try to download myself? - "Domostroy"

      And there were a lot of Domostroy. I have two books from the 50s.
      1. +1
        16 February 2021 21: 30
        There is only one Domostroy, written in the 16th century?, And everything else is BYAKA
        1. -2
          16 February 2021 21: 44
          Quote: vladcub
          There is only one Domostroy, written in the 16th century?, And everything else is BYAKA

          I was in the 50s.
          1. 0
            16 February 2021 21: 49
            Reprint? So as far as I know, there was a full re-release in the late 80s and early 90s?
            1. -2
              16 February 2021 22: 01
              Quote: vladcub
              Reprint?

              What kind of reprint? I generally don't know newfangled words ...
              Quote: vladcub
              was the reissue in the late 80s and early 90s?

              No, I have exactly the 50s.
  28. +3
    16 February 2021 15: 06
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, how could you?
    You are simply destroying the picture of the Universe in the form of a huge number of people!
    Here, people lived for themselves, lived - did not grieve and knew for sure that "Stalin is good, Khrushchev is a maize worker, Brezhnev is nothing, but" Marked "has ruined everything ..."

    It turns out that everything is not so!
    How to live now?
    What to believe? request
    1. +5
      16 February 2021 18: 27
      It turns out that everything is not so!

      "And neither the church, nor the tavern, nothing is sacred,
      No guys, it's not like that
      Everything is wrong, guys ... "(c)
      It was already, we are going further.
      How to live now?

      It was also - "WhoaWatch to do?"
      We drove through.
      What to believe?

      You know, Alexander, in the eighth decade, I already don't really believe myself. wink drinks
      1. +4
        16 February 2021 19: 01
        Quote: Sea Cat
        It turns out that everything is not so!

        I recall an old joke.
        First grader:
        "At the age of four, I learned that there are no fairies or wizards. At five, that Santa Claus is not real and that parents buy gifts for the Christmas tree, if now you tell me that adults are not at night .... then what is left believe in this life? " lol
      2. +5
        16 February 2021 19: 44
        Quote: Sea Cat
        You know, Alexander, in the eighth ten I am already to myself

        Once again, I looked at the photo at the beginning of the article ... On the days of the film's release in 1976, I was 22 (twenty-two!) - young and single. I'm getting married only in a year ...
        Oh, the time has flown by!
        Andrey Myagkov 37, now 82
        Barbara Brylska 34 (79)
        Yuri Yakovlev 48, died in 2013 at 85 years old
        Olga Naumenko 26 (71)
        Liya Akhedzhakova 37 (82)
        Alexander Shirvindt 41 (86)
        Georgy Burkov 43, died in 1990 at the age of 57
        Alexander Belyavsky 44, died in 2012 at 80 years old
        Eldar Ryazanov 49, died in 2015 at 88 years old.
        1. +6
          16 February 2021 19: 56
          Well, Sasha, if I start remembering how many comrades I buried, then my fingers won't be enough. We are still alive, well, thank God. And by the 76th I managed to foolishly get married, for a year I lived like in a fairy tale, in the second year I already figured out how to leave it easier. Nothing, got rid of each other, it's good that the mind was enough not to have children. Now I have two, a son and a daughter, already adults and I am happy with my children. as well as a beloved woman and friends.
          "What else does a person need to calmly meet old age?" (C) smile
          1. +5
            16 February 2021 20: 17
            Quote: Sea Cat
            "What else does a person need to calmly meet old age?" (C)

            I understand well ... God bless you!
            1. +3
              16 February 2021 20: 22
              And all the best to you too, to you and all of yours. drinks
          2. +3
            16 February 2021 20: 17
            And my appendicitis was excised in the 76th. laughing
            1. +3
              16 February 2021 20: 25
              Where did they cut something, in the district, or in Sklif by pull?
              1. +3
                16 February 2021 20: 32
                What kind of pull there. Now I do not remember, there by * ambulance *, back by taxi. I was thirteen years old.
      3. +2
        16 February 2021 19: 46
        Paradoxical, but self-critical.
        1. +2
          16 February 2021 20: 13
          Vera, love You don't know me, what self-criticism? I am monogamous, i.e. I love one person, i.e. yourself. There is not enough strength for anything else, but where to get them, when in the morning you stand in front of a mirror and praise a worthy person: "Oh, you are such a face," then what kind of self-criticism can we talk about. laughing drinks soldier
    2. +1
      16 February 2021 19: 48
      A colleague of Privalov, but you are an ulcer
      1. +2
        16 February 2021 20: 16
        Why? belay A very interesting idea, and what is important, with humor! wink
      2. +4
        16 February 2021 20: 18
        Quote: Astra wild2
        A colleague of Privalov, but you are an ulcer

        There is little ... But there's nothing you can do about it. It's too late to change. hi
        1. +1
          17 February 2021 08: 28
          And this has its own charm, and if everyone is the same, life will be boring
          1. 0
            18 February 2021 06: 53
            Lovely-adorable.T9-disable.
            1. 0
              18 February 2021 15: 53
              You hint that I'm a stupid kikimora + vaccinated.
              Maybe I'm trying for you, that there was someone to push?
              1. 0
                18 February 2021 16: 01
                Come on, nonsense. Just re-read your comment before submitting and then submit.
                And what does the vaccine have to do with it? This is your own business, we did it and did it. What have I got to do with it?
              2. 0
                18 February 2021 16: 17
                And what does this word mean? I have not even heard.
                1. +1
                  18 February 2021 16: 58
                  It was my father who adored such a definition as a substitute for pimple - petty nit-picking. He is an engineer by profession, but adores (he is alive) non-conventional definitions.
                  As a child, I often heard the most unexpected definitions.
      3. +3
        16 February 2021 20: 20
        Yesterday Alexander and I had a glorious * war * together on a sports theme. It's nice to remember. good
        1. +2
          16 February 2021 20: 28
          We were few, but we didn't give up! laughing
  29. +4
    16 February 2021 18: 54
    A can of canned food on the festive table. It is supposed to put the contents of the jar on a special plate or in a salad bowl, but ... it will do just fine, doesn't it ?!

    I still - and I'm 52 years old - when I serve sprats myself on the table - I open a tin can and put it on a plate good laughing tongue
  30. +1
    16 February 2021 19: 44
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, in all fairness: not all were peasants in the party. For example, in. I. Lenin, N. K. Krupskaya, L. D. Trotsky, Bonch-Bruevich, Kollontai, Stasova, they were not all peasants.
    You say: "in England, fencing, we have Collicctivization," but collicctivization was necessary. Industrialization and Collicctivization in those conditions WERE NECESSARY
  31. +3
    16 February 2021 20: 32
    That is, the generations of the 50-60s and beyond should give up their place in leadership positions to representatives of the generations of 2000 and so. But in a natural way.

    A blissful picture.
    And most importantly - a balm for the soul of the target audience: nothing needs to be done - neither work, nor study, nor, God forbid, fight - sit for yourself and wait for all this junk to die out.
    The simple mind of a Russian intellectual cannot do without simple recipes - either the invisible hand of the market will figure it out on its own, then the change of generations will fix everything ...
    Of course, a different simplicity is worse than stealing, but has this ever stopped anyone?
    1. +4
      16 February 2021 20: 51
      I have to offer for reading a cycle of Russian folk tales about "Ivan the Fool". laughing
      1. +3
        16 February 2021 21: 35
        Kostya, Afanasyev's collection or for young children? This "understand you" (c) different things. As a natural "pervach" and "Donskoe-light" (though I consume homemade grape)
  32. +1
    16 February 2021 21: 09
    Vyacheslav Olegovich. And this can of canned food from eryazanov! And on the table of the teacher of the Russian language. Village mentality B94g the late father told me about this moment. I always mention him.
    In 71, my father graduated from the Institute of Marxism-Leninism. The diploma was signed by Rybkin. Teaching based on theory was not enough. It is strange that the mentality has changed little.
    1. -1
      17 February 2021 04: 31
      Quote: antivirus
      I always mention him.
      In 71, my father graduated from the Institute of Marxism-Leninism.

      And what, at the Institute of Marxism-Leninism, they taught how to put canned food on the table?
      1. +1
        17 February 2021 07: 01
        Apparently taught to see cause-effect relationships. and canned food is a warrior. . Once again, No Av100000VI and tsyrkony will lead to Victory. Victory of the spirit of the Army - in the words of the mother, go serve son. Canned food through the point from the meaning of life.
  33. 0
    17 February 2021 03: 46
    Quote: Ruslan67
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    ... The head will fit into the salad Olivier, and that would also attach cucumbers on the face, no, thank you.

    Fu how !!! unaesthetic! stop I put my face in jellied meat and rest culturally wassat
  34. Cat
    +2
    17 February 2021 08: 46
    A lot of letters. Everything is the same, but in one phrase: you can get a girl out of a village, but a village from a girl - never wassat
    And Marxism will not help here.
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    2. 0
      18 February 2021 17: 06
      Quote: Gato
      A lot of letters. Everything is the same, but in one phrase: you can get a girl out of a village, but a village from a girl - never wassat
      And Marxism will not help here.

      I suggest you conduct an experiment. On one sheet, write the names of famous scientists, designers, major leaders of people from the city at least in the third generation, and on the second sheet - people from the countryside. And then we will compare.
      1. Cat
        +1
        18 February 2021 19: 26
        And then we will compare.

        Easy:
        Lenin, Stalin, Brezhnev, the same GDP. Give a list of people from villages of the corresponding caliber, I can help: Khrushchev, Yeltsin.
  35. +2
    17 February 2021 11: 22
    What's more bad about paternalism? But what: it generates many ideological "squires"
    Real respect for power and the law, personal readiness to fight those people who swear loyalty to social ideals, and having taken any personal benefit from these oaths, immediately betray these ideals - this is what we lacked in the USSR, to take place as pioneers, Komsomol members and communists, and not perjurers, betraying ideals, Soviet power and the country. And I believe that older people who do not see this have remained so.
  36. +1
    17 February 2021 14: 22
    Dear author. I read all your articles on topwar.ru. In these articles, you have identified the topic of transferring experience from generation to generation, raised many important issues, but unfortunately, no clear and clear conclusions and forecasts have been formulated. Regularities and cause-and-effect relationships have not been fully identified. I was very pleased with the reading list. This is very helpful in understanding why our people and our country have suffered so many trials over the past 100 years.

    In my profession, I have to communicate with a large number of very different people, different social, economic, age status. And it was noticed (not only by me, but by many specialists in my profession) that it is important not only what people say, but it is much more important that they do not speak and the questions that they avoid.
    When studying the history of my country, I noticed that in the historical literature, the zemstvo movement (the reasons for its formation, its role in expanding state borders) and issues of the Stalinist economy (after the notorious XX Congress, this topic is apparently still banned) is very poorly sanctified in the historical literature, why we were able to make such an industrial breakthrough in a short time, and why then it was not possible.
    I would be grateful if you could write articles on these topics or indicate a list of sources that, from your point of view, deserve attention.
  37. +3
    17 February 2021 15: 52
    Having been there in all sorts of Europe, I have such an opinion. Our people in social development lagged behind them by 400-500 years. This is neither bad nor good. It just is. We have not gone the same way as Europe. And thank God. There have not been such brutal religious wars. The bourgeois revolution affected us little. Not those 150 years like there. Compared to the Europeans, we paid surprisingly little for our development. No matter how we criticize our 20th century. It is difficult for us to imagine what was happening in Europe. We have not yet made our way.
    The analogue of the religious wars was for the period from 17 to 41 - the ideological struggle. The bestial, but not vigorous development of capitalism lasted 30-40 years. And then the development of industry before the war at the expense of the countryside was not cannibalistic. People were given education and they got jobs at enterprises under construction.
    And the fact that people do not appreciate it now ... So it is not surprising.
  38. 0
    17 February 2021 18: 42
    in the USSR there was no private ownership of land.
  39. +1
    18 February 2021 12: 07
    I fully agree with the article.
  40. -1
    18 February 2021 16: 58
    = Then the country will really change. =
    And for this conclusion it was necessary to write so many LETTERS? Change is already inevitable.
    Does it make sense to change as such? Or is it in the sign? Positive for the state (people) or negative. Without answering these questions, the article loses its meaning - into the furnace.
  41. +1
    18 February 2021 17: 28
    [quote = Kote pane Kohanka] [quote = vladcub] From time to time I take in a tomato, but my relatives do not share my passion and now quality canned food is rare [/ quote]
    Comrade get a cat! For a couple, any confectionery in a tomato leaves more fun! Tested empirically. Today my wife got it on my ears that the cat smells like sprat again! [/ Quo
    Is she strongly against canned food?
  42. Fat
    +1
    19 February 2021 03: 08
    Well - February 19. The anniversary of the "Eastern Crisis" - the last victory of the empire ... 1878 ...
    "The crescent moon is silent,
    And again a mysterious wind blew from the East.
    The crescent is silent
    And again Petersburg and Istanbul go to war.
    The old month is hanging
    Damned, he doesn't want to turn into the moon.
    He listens to songs
    Sad songs about those who languish in captivity.
    Life was hanging by a thread
    Check! -And body on a slippery board.
    Steel wanted a sip of blood
    Steel wheezed: Let's go to the East!
    The drums are buzzing
    But the evil Ottomans are surrendering and surrendering cities.
    Scimitars whistle
    But a young star lit up in the misty sky.
    The enemy is defeated
    And the vile traitor played his last gambit.
    Silent crescent
    And sadly looks after the departing train ..

    It's a pity I can't present the video. in 2005 they did great.
  43. 0
    27 March 2021 17: 45
    when the balls get in the way of a bad dancer, he begins to look for the guilty ...
    and our guarantor:
    - If we quietly drive away from paternalism, and each person realizes that his fate is primarily in his own hands, this will be a very correct direction

    those. openly declares that the state will get rid of the people ...

    but at the same time, when it comes to officials, then:
    - What if we just take now and sharply lower the level of salaries of officials, ministers or even heads of large state-owned companies? We simply will not find enough qualified personnel, they will all scatter
    - And, nevertheless, the difference should not be colossal ... we should think about it

    those. they are just going to "think", and the loot has been unfastened for a long time ...

    for reference: paternalism in labor relations is a system of additional benefits, subsidies and payments at enterprises at the expense of the employer in order to retain staff, alleviate tensions, etc.

    these are the double standards of the father of stability ... :)