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Without refuting Khazin. On the predictions of "duty" catastrophists

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This is not a forecast, this is much worse



The fact that the exit from the pandemic may be more terrible than all the lockdowns was written by everyone who could. Your authors are almost the first, when everything was just beginning (Covid-19: not immediately after).

The “exit” is still quite far away, although the light at the end of the tunnel is already visible. However, this does not negate the need for sober assessments of the current situation and the search for an answer to the eternal question:

"What to do?"

Who is to blame is no longer so relevant.

It is much more important that, according to the estimates of a number of very authoritative experts, including the famous economist Mikhail Khazin, even before spring comes, a global collapse of financial markets may occur.

And this is against a positive background, when not only from Russia, but also from WHO (where frightening the public on business, and more often not on business, has long become a habit) they began to report that the number of recovered people has exceeded the number for several days. newly infected.

We will not get tired and will not get tired (until SARS Cov-2 is finished) to pay attention to this Jesuit wording - not sick, but “newly infected”.

And yet, the positive is clearly not enough.

For example, in Europe they simply admit that mass vaccination is by no means hasty, but simply a failure. In the same USA, the coming to power of Joe Biden's team and the belated game of "impeachment of Trump" did little, but rather, did not change anything at all in the situation with the coronavirus.

The same Mikhail Khazin, in general, is convinced that replacing Trump with Biden (if someone really "invented" it) is a terrible mistake. And just for those financial circles that traditionally rely on Democrats.


The expert has no doubts that with the appearance of members of the "donkeys" party in the White House, it will no longer be possible to stop the impending collapse. This thesis is still very controversial, although so far the process is clearly going on at an increasing pace.

There is not enough stability. Or is it positive?


To begin with, the US economic indicators, contrary to all positive expectations, have only become worse since the beginning of 2021 compared to the “disastrous” 2020. It seems that the assurances that the real economy in the United States was "for Trump" is really confirmed.

American problems will inevitably affect the whole world, here one cannot but agree with Khazin. And you can't argue with the fact that if a big crisis happens, it will turn out to be worse than the Great Depression.

But is it really worth so much to be afraid of the 50% decline in US GDP that Mikhail Khazin is talking about? We have very big doubts about this. And it's not just that the American economy is more than half the economy of services, which simply collapsed due to the pandemic.

We think that a sober assessment of the American (and any other) GDP itself, which is considered, in fact, in money, is no less significant to us. So, this very GDP is often growing only due to the rise in prices (no matter - direct or indirect) of the goods and services produced.

We must also take into account the fact that among these goods and services in the same USA (and even in communist China) there is a very large component - financial and related to them (again, directly or indirectly).

After all, in countries like Russia, the GDP consists mainly of oil and gas. And also from bread, construction sites and you never know what else. And the share of services and the same financial products in GDP is extremely small, which pro-Western liberal economists cannot forgive us.

Thank God, Mikhail Khazin is not one of them. Isn't that why he (not only a recognized expert and blogger, but also the author of a whole economic theory, which even academician Sergei Glazyev puts on an equal footing with the works of George Friedman) almost relishes the picture of the American "impending catastrophe".


So, according to Khazin:

"Only those countries and regions that have time to introduce a new model of the economy will be able to save themselves in a collapse."

It is characteristic how gracefully the “court catastrophist” (defined by Vladislav Inozemtsev) threw a bridge to the last speeches of the head of state. Mikhail Khazin referred to Vladimir Putin's speech for the online forum Davos-2021, where it was said that this new model is now, in particular, in Russia.

And Russia will be ready to share its strategy with everyone who wants to build this model together with us. For those who remain in the blinkers of a dubious liberal course, Mikhail Khazin simply predicts collapse under the "impending collapse." Such, in his words,

“In the end, they will cease to be at least in any way significant subjects of economic relations.

The coming collapse will be the last crisis of capitalism, after which it will finally go into history».

But what about China?


Colleague Khazin is far from the only one who, in addition to the danger of financial bubbles, warns primarily about the problems of the American real economy.

Let us repeat about some doubts about how real it is now.

But let us note that in America itself there are enough "catastrophists". And they scare more abruptly than Khazin.

But they, for the most part, are certainly patriots of the United States, do not make such an icon out of the States. Understanding what is today

"Isolationism will not work"

The four years of President Trump's rule have contributed greatly. But they (just like our respected expert) for some reason forget about the "China factor".

Yes, it seems that in the Celestial Empire they masterfully hide their pandemic problems, calling them post-pandemic. But the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party seems to be too busy now with the struggle for economic leadership in the world.


But even relying on G5 technologies and global infrastructure projects, without an all-consuming American market, communist China will not last long. And it is only at this particular moment that it is profitable for the Chinese industry to pump up the United States (and at the same time the EU countries) with unsecured trillions of dollars and euros.

At this particular moment, it is the Chinese, as well as the related economies of the colossal mega-region, into which both Japan and South Korea are already involved, that accumulate a significant part of the excess money supply. Moreover, they accumulate so far relatively painlessly.

It is clear that this cannot continue indefinitely. And both Mikhail Khazin and American experts cannot but understand this. However, there is still hope that a positive change in the news background will help in the fight against the coming crisis.

Provocation.net


It remains to be noted that even a regular hit with forecasts in the top ten does not guarantee popularity to forecasters. Stable and long enough. Yes, Mikhail Khazin at one time predicted the default very accurately.

About a year before the default, a scandalous report to the board of the Ministry of Economy, where the then head of the credit department, Mikhail Khazin, warned that a reduction in the money supply would lead not to a decrease, but to an increase in inflation, cost him the post of deputy minister, and most likely - scientific regalia.

But the matter went to default much earlier, we can assume that even from loans-for-shares auctions. And even in the spring of 1998, employees of the economic department of the government "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" (We declared the default). However, not only them.

Colleague Khazin really has the right to be proud of the fact that he made an accurate forecast about the 2008 crisis. However, his "crisis" predictions about a fall in the dollar and a rise in oil prices came true exactly the opposite. What, in fact, no one will even remember.

But then Mikhail Leonidovich did not miss the sanctions. And with the fact that Trump will drag the United States into trade wars with almost the whole world.

Only Covid-19, probably, became a very unpleasant surprise for him. He even got sick with it last fall. And we can only be glad that we have recovered.

And now for his warnings, albeit deliberately "disastrous", most likely, you just have to say "thank you."

And wait for new forecasts. I would like - more optimistic.
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  1. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 12 February 2021 05: 29
    +12
    They scare you with the crisis of capitalism ... And what kind of crisis will it be? what will the world be like after capitalism? As I understand it, there will be a struggle not between labor and capital, but between a useless class, a useless class, which has now been singled out in the West, and those who still mean something. The conflict between Trump and Biden is a conflict of industrial and financial capital, more an internal affair of America, it will not have an instant impact on the world. Covid, as a way of social training, is only a way to strengthen discipline in society
    1. figwam
      figwam 12 February 2021 06: 39
      +7
      Quote: aybolyt678
      They are afraid of the crisis of capitalism.

      No, they just give Khazin a lot of PR.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 12 February 2021 07: 10
        +7
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: aybolyt678
        They are afraid of the crisis of capitalism.

        No, they just give Khazin a lot of PR.


        And they have not forgotten themselves, loved ones.
        1. Civil
          Civil 12 February 2021 07: 41
          +4
          How familiar it all is:
          dollar kirdyk soon 2003

          rotting West

          an island of prosperity and stability

          Terry propaganda
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 12 February 2021 09: 39
            +2
            You can earn a lot from the ability to predict crises if you are a professional financial investor.
            Puffing your cheeks and looking competent can make a lot of money if you are a professional consultant.

            Khazin heads a consulting company.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 12 February 2021 09: 52
              +15
              Quote: military_cat
              Puffing your cheeks and looking competent can make a lot of money if you are a professional consultant.

              Khazin - just this case
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 12 February 2021 08: 34
        0
        Quote: figvam
        No, they just give Khazin a lot of PR.

        Precisely, there is nothing outstanding in him, there is an obvious PR in the article and his "predictions" about defaults are far-fetched
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 12 February 2021 14: 15
          -3
          Someone sells the body, others language. This is exactly the second case.
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 12 February 2021 09: 51
        +20
        Quote: figvam
        No, they just give Khazin a lot of PR.

        Quite right! He climbs out of all the cracks with his predictions
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 12 February 2021 14: 16
          -6
          "Work" piece-work - you need to "shine", as in the advertisement for "Orbit".
  2. Mikhail Malakhov_2
    Mikhail Malakhov_2 12 February 2021 05: 33
    +13
    If you persist in predicting the crisis for decades, then of course when you can say, "Well, I predicted."
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 12 February 2021 05: 42
      +2
      And wait for new predictions
      Analysts-senile! request
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 12 February 2021 06: 25
        +12
        I, in general, did not understand what I just read. Probably, it won't work when I'm sober, but drinking about an article written by as many as three (!) Authors? .... No, really. I'd better go to the weapons section.
        1. bar
          bar 12 February 2021 08: 49
          +11
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I, in general, did not understand what I just read.

          What's incomprehensible? Khazin is a mega-expert who predicted everything that is possible and what is not. And a group of authors, who embossed the article, envy him and try to cling to him. That's all. tongue
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 12 February 2021 22: 37
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          I, in general, did not understand what I just read. Probably, it won't work when I'm sober, but drinking about an article written by as many as three (!) Authors? .... No, really. I'd better go to the weapons section.

          Couldn't have read! ))
          The crisis of capitalism, the unsecured dollar and euro, oil, gas, millet - our FSE! fellow
          1. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 12 February 2021 22: 39
            -1
            Excellent theses! Brevity is known to be the sister of talent. It's a pity that some writers forget this truth.)
          2. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 14 February 2021 20: 02
            +1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            I, in general, did not understand what I just read. Probably, it won't work when I'm sober, but drinking about an article written by as many as three (!) Authors? .... No, really. I'd better go to the weapons section.

            Couldn't have read! ))
            The crisis of capitalism, the unsecured dollar and euro, oil, gas, millet - our FSE! fellow

            Why talk to the end, our FSE is the "invisible hand of the market", "Western investments", the liberalization of currency controls, the ban from the IMF on investments in rubles and the imposition of universal values, incl. lgbt ...
            PS
            In France, Russia announced a geopolitical victory thanks to the coronavirus vaccine. French political scientist Pascal Boniface told about this to Ouest-France, Lenta reports.

            According to him, the need to create a vaccine and problems with its distribution due to the pandemic have led to the emergence of "vaccine diplomacy." The expert noted that Western countries showed themselves in this race not in the best way, and Russia is winning the geopolitical battle. He stressed that the Russian vaccine is successfully coping with its task.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 14 February 2021 21: 55
              +2
              I agree with every word good soldier fellow
              1. Tank jacket
                Tank jacket 14 February 2021 22: 12
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                I agree with every word good soldier fellow

                Well, Mikhail Khazin opposes everything that I have listed, i.e. liberal model and defends the left-conservative model. Where is the logic? request
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 14 February 2021 23: 59
                  +2
                  What's the logic? The article is a set of absolutely populist clichés - starting with "the world's leading currencies, which are not backed by anything," backed by a high exchange rate against the ruble that depreciates our incomes, ending with Alilluyah of our resource economy, based on trade in raw materials, and not by products of its processing, which gives more dough ...
                  By your post you brought me back to 2014 - I say the ruble has fallen, throw off the nedvizhku, translate into dollars, they tell me "and we have S-300 and 400". With whom I go to the store to buy food for a week, yeah ... Then, however, they all sold me real estate, antiques, different stones came running, not one air defense, so to speak ... fellow
                  Although they are good systems, and Sputnik V is an excellent vaccine, the question is - and they are about the economy and the "collapse of capitalism" and, moreover, to the LGBT, which does not bother me at all in the absence of gay parades, since you can't hear them and can't see them, and in general - hi in the bedroom they are doing what they want ..
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 12 February 2021 08: 35
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail Malakhov_2
      "Well, I predicted"

      aha, so the economist-forecaster Demura all the time urges to buy dollars. Well, once every few years it hits and immediately his glory rises to heaven for a while wassat
    3. Israel
      Israel 12 February 2021 10: 32
      +3
      There are still those who believe that there will be a crisis and are betting on it, for example, Michael Burry, predicted the mortgage crisis in 2008, put millions of money from a hedge fund against the market, held a position despite any objections from investors, suffered losses, but when the crisis happened, the gain covered all the losses of hundreds of millions more on top of the profit. When Khazin “short-circuits capitalism” with his money, then with his property it will be possible to take his forecasts seriously, at least to say that he himself believes in them.
      And Khazin, if I am not mistaken, believes that the Central Bank should be nationalized and the entire economy in Russia will take off.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 12 February 2021 11: 59
        +1
        As a matter of fact, this crisis is already there. Not yet in a very acute phase, but nevertheless. Khazin really got it with his predictions. While he will bury capitalism, capitalism will bury him twice. Although, yes, the transition from capitalism to communism is inevitable. All this khazin is designed for naive and gullible people. But once you dig a little deeper there, it becomes clear that she is not worth a damn egg.
        1. Israel
          Israel 12 February 2021 12: 17
          +2
          As a matter of fact, this crisis is already there.

          The crisis may be like the world growth (of everything).

          Although yes, the transition from capitalism to communism is inevitable

          Well, this is purely a theory, maybe there will be a transition to communism, maybe, on the contrary, to the feudal system or even slavery (this was also, for example, during the development of America), or maybe there will be capitalism for a couple of thousand years.
          Tomorrow the capitalists will find a new way of storing energy with a density comparable to gasoline and the price even of the current lithium-ion battery, the world will change dramatically, the whole geopolitical alignment will simply change, even in the Yenisei it will be possible to grow shrimps.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 12 February 2021 12: 34
            +2
            Yeah, GDP growth at the level of statistical error and a drop in real incomes of the population. Slavery in the United States did nothing to reverse the development of capitalism. It's not about the density of energy storage. And in the contradictions of capitalism that no density can eliminate.
            1. Israel
              Israel 12 February 2021 12: 39
              +2
              Yeah, GDP growth at the level of statistical error and a drop in real incomes of the population.

              Well, the pandemic is in the yard, and even in these conditions, the markets are growing, and as the pandemic ends, everything will grow wildly.


              And in the contradictions of capitalism that no density can eliminate.


              And where there are no contradictions, and most importantly, the person himself is contradictory and vicious.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 12 February 2021 13: 17
                +1
                It all started before the pandemic, it only exacerbated the situation. There are some doubts about wild growth.
                Quote: Israel
                And where there are no contradictions, and most importantly, the person himself is contradictory and vicious.

                Of course. But the destruction of the system usually causes serious aggravation. To which we are now cheerfully moving. And no amount of energy density will fix that.
                1. Israel
                  Israel 12 February 2021 13: 26
                  +2
                  It all started before the pandemic, it only exacerbated the situation. There are some doubts about wild growth.

                  What started there? If you are investing, then you cannot help but see how many new projects and startups are being born even now, this is just crazy, and on the contrary, I expect an explosive growth in progress in AI, communications, biotechnology, primarily in the United States as the main center of new technologies and innovations.

                  Of course. But the destruction of the system usually causes serious aggravation. To which we are now cheerfully moving.

                  Yes, it seems that times were more difficult 50-60 years ago, world wars, etc., now we humanity just fabulously live, could it be possible 20 years ago to imagine our communication on this site, while being in different parts of the planet.

                  And no amount of energy density will fix that.

                  How it does not fix it, the whole world geopolitics in its base has the goal of control over energy resources, our day begins with the price of oil, and now imagine you can get solar energy around the clock and store it in a “battery”, even in Siberia in severe frost you can take at least 100W per square meter
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 12 February 2021 13: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Israel
                    If you are investing, you cannot help but see how many new projects and startups are being born even now, this is just crazy, and on the contrary, I expect an explosive growth in progress in AI, communications, biotechnology, primarily in the United States as the main center of new technologies and innovations.

                    If you have studied history a little, you should know that everything was the same at the beginning of the last century. How is old man Ecclesiastes doing? And there is nothing new under the sun. smile
                    Quote: Israel
                    Yes, it seems that times were more difficult 50-60 years ago, world wars, etc., now we humanity just fabulously live, could it be possible 20 years ago to imagine our communication on this site, while being in different parts of the planet.

                    Yes, you are right, there is some difference. This is the presence of nuclear weapons in countries - uber-weapons that can cause unacceptable catastrophic damage and the lack of adequate measures to counter it. If it were not for this factor, the third world war would already be in full swing. I am absolutely sure of this. Well, 20 years ago, I basically knew that. I had an understanding of the prospects in this regard at that time.
                    Quote: Israel
                    How it does not fix it, the whole world geopolitics in its base has the goal of control over energy resources, our day begins with the price of oil, and now imagine you can get solar energy around the clock and store it in a “battery”, even in Siberia in severe frost you can take at least 100W per square meter

                    And how does this help to cope, say, with the problem of extra people? When labor productivity rises, but because of competition, people are thrown out of work. In a socialist economy, there is a solution. Under capitalism, this is the road to disaster.
                    1. Israel
                      Israel 12 February 2021 14: 20
                      0
                      If you have studied history a little, you should know that everything was the same at the beginning of the last century. How is old man Ecclesiastes doing? And there is nothing new under the sun.

                      Everything is so with the only difference that progress is now taking place on a different scale.

                      Yes, you are right, there is some difference. This is the presence of nuclear weapons in countries - uber-weapons that can cause unacceptable catastrophic damage and the absence of adequate measures to counter it. If it were not for this factor, the third world war would already be in full swing. I am absolutely sure of this. Well, 20 years ago, I basically knew that. I had an understanding of the prospects in this regard at that time.

                      Before nuclear weapons, war was a common "routine" state for any state playing geopolitics, and they lived from war to war and the whole culture, everyday life, and worldview were saturated with military themes. The emergence of nuclear weapons at the moment has made large wars meaningless.


                      And how does this help to cope, say, with the problem of extra people? When labor productivity rises, but because of competition, people are thrown out of work. In a socialist economy, there is a solution. Under capitalism, this is the road to disaster.


                      Yes, it will also help, as always, further progress, new jobs, all of this has already passed, there were Luddites who protested against the "industrial revolution" in England, believing that all this would lead to unemployment.
                      1. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 12 February 2021 16: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Israel
                        Everything is so with the only difference that progress is now taking place on a different scale.

                        This is a very interesting question. As much in others. Of course, I only hear out of the corner of my ear about new research, but in my opinion breakthroughs like nuclear power are not visible. On the other hand, computing is progressing at a frantic pace.
                        Quote: Israel
                        Before nuclear weapons, war was a common "routine" state for any state playing geopolitics, and they lived from war to war and the whole culture, everyday life, and worldview were saturated with military themes. The emergence of nuclear weapons at the moment has made large wars meaningless.

                        War is now quite a routine activity. Only the intensity has dropped significantly. Although now it is rising again.
                        Quote: Israel
                        Yes, it will also help, as always, further progress, new jobs, all of this has already passed, there were Luddites who protested against the "industrial revolution" in England, believing that all this would lead to unemployment.

                        I was waiting for this argument. But in principle, the industrial revolution led and continues to lead to unemployment, at least short-term. And now labor productivity is growing on a very broad front. Forcing people out of so many areas of activity. If earlier it was possible to compensate, but now it is getting worse.
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  • napalm
    napalm 12 February 2021 20: 17
    +3
    How convenient with Nostradamus. As you wanted, you interpret it.
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 12 February 2021 05: 40
    +7
    At one time, when I was studying what the financial system is, I read that the loan interest was not at all invented by Jews, but by nomadic pastoralists, they had herds that brought profit in themselves, multiplied, and when metal replaced the cattle, this system was left. but coins could not multiply smile the borrower had to work harder to give back, and when they switched to paper, that is, on parole, then in general they began to breed the people in full, the system was inflated, it burst and all over again, it's just such a game with the mathematical outcome included in it, I think that you need to enter some kind of material denomination, otherwise the pieces of paper and the honest word of the scammers do not inspire confidence. And as for the forecasts, it's like 50/50 forecasters.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 12 February 2021 06: 27
      +4
      and when they switched to paper, that is, on parole, then in general they began to breed the people in full, the system was inflated, it burst and all over again, it's just such a game with a mathematical outcome included in it,
      It seems to me that the same model for replacing the dollar is being prepared in the form of bitcoin. If something happened, they just change the awl for soap and again everyone will be in white. The "lamp of democracy" has a genetically based Kidalov principle. To whom they owe in dollars, they will forgive everyone, they will simply cancel it and say that it was so.
      I think that you need some kind of material denomination
      Strongly AGREE !!! Just do not release it into the free market as Witte once created for the good fortune of foreigners.
      As for forecasts, it's like 50/50 forecasters.
      Of course it is - is there life on Mars ??? ...
      However, I can swing a little on the crown. Namely, state capital participates only in those commercial programs that pay off in no more than TWO years. This is already a familiar complaint to the president from commerce. So if our top toad will crush less than the discontent of the people, then another year and the crown will end.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 12 February 2021 06: 42
        +4
        I believe that state capital and the profit from it should benefit the people, it is necessary to build multi-storey houses and one-story houses on it in rural areas and give it to young families with two or more children, including those from the countries of the former USSR, there are millions of Russians and Russian-speaking would like to leave but do not have the opportunity, but giving away is not profitable for the capitalists, they need to drive the people into debt, and people remain hostages of the situation.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 12 February 2021 06: 55
          +4
          I believe that state capital and the profit from it should benefit the people,
          The participation of state capital implies profit for the state in the person of its "best representatives". Any representative of the state can easily explain this to you.
          they need to drive people into debt
          And without this, the existing system does not survive
        2. your1970
          your1970 12 February 2021 11: 42
          +1
          Quote: Pessimist22
          I believe
          - you think badly .... Poor quality ..
          Those who want to go to the countryside - NO !!!!

          When the refugees from Donbass fled, our administrations found them housing, places in schools, a kindergarten, a job ... "People fled from the war !!"
          Exactly three months later, not a single one was left - everyone left. "You are bad here !!!"
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 12 February 2021 07: 16
      +3
      Quote: Pessimist22
      I think that you need some kind of material denomination

      made the standard dollar, which is not tied to anything, which accordingly unties the hands of the world's tycoons. If you firmly tie the ruble to a kilowatt, it will become an aspen stake in the heart of a vampire! laughing
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 12 February 2021 08: 05
        +2
        Quote: aybolyt678
        If you firmly tie the ruble to a kilowatt, it will become an aspen stake in the heart of a vampire!

        And bitcoin miners! laughing
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 12 February 2021 08: 10
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And bitcoin miners!

          Not only. If there is a currency that has a rigid standard, then it will be desirable as foreign exchange reserves in any country and bank.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 12 February 2021 08: 31
            +2
            You are right, I think so myself. And about the miners, I remembered that now our oligarchs are massively importing equipment for mining, instead of developing production. Is this why the wholesale electricity prices have risen? By the way, the authorities' assurances that the rise in wholesale prices for electricity will not affect ordinary people in any way look very funny. laughing
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 12 February 2021 09: 54
              +21
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Is this why the wholesale electricity prices have risen?

              But pollock fell in price laughing
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 12 February 2021 12: 04
        0
        This is bullshit. All this nonsense about energy rubles. The fact that money was untied from gold is, in principle, correct. But the mechanism of this entire monetary system is extremely wrong and not fair.
      3. your1970
        your1970 12 February 2021 12: 19
        -1
        Quote: aybolyt678
        If you firmly peg the ruble to the kilowatt

        Uh-huh .... The only problem is that a bunch of countries produce kilowatts either little or not at all ...
        This will be enough legal justification for not recognizing such a link ...
        And the situation with the USSR will repeat itself - when it was necessary to come up with the Foreign Trade ruble for foreign trade ... Because the internal ruble was not even needed for nothing ...
        And yet, tomorrow another Fukushima will burst or the sun will not wake up for a long time for solar stations - your ruble can jump sharply in price. And vice versa, we will not be able to build new stations because there will be an excess of kilowatts and the value of your ruble will start to fall ...
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 12 February 2021 13: 28
          0
          Quote: your1970
          The only problem is that a bunch of countries produce kilowatts either little or not at all ...

          only these countries consume kilowatts, in rather large quantities

          Quote: your1970
          This would be ample legal justification for not recognizing such a link ...

          and who today legally recognizing the ruble uses it? even at Putin's request, they ignore it, admitting .. laughing
          Quote: your1970
          And the situation with the USSR will repeat itself - when it was necessary to come up with the Foreign Trade ruble for foreign trade ... Because the internal ruble was not even needed for nothing ...
          the multi-circuit system of monetary circulation ensured the impossibility of the flow of state money into private pockets and vice versa, it strongly discredited itself in the late USSR due to the lack of understanding by the supreme power of the economy. In general, it was a unique invention.
          Quote: your1970
          And yet, tomorrow another Fukushima will burst or the sun will not wake up for a long time for solar stations - your ruble can jump sharply in price.
          - He will always have one cost - Kilowatt. And the market price will be different, it depends on the exchange rates of other currencies in relation to the kilowatt.
          Quote: your1970
          And vice versa, we will not be able to build new stations because there will be an excess of kilowatts and the value of your ruble will begin to fall ...
          the cost will be a kilowatt anyway !! laughing But there will be more of these kilowatts! more aluminum, more metal redistribution, more bulbs will burn, machine tools will work!
          - there is a direct dependence of industrial production growth on electricity consumption. It is a fact. lol
          1. your1970
            your1970 12 February 2021 14: 19
            +1
            Quote: aybolyt678
            But there will be more of these kilowatts! more aluminum, more metal redistribution, more bulbs will burn, machine tools will work!
            - there is a direct dependence of industrial production growth on electricity consumption. It is a fact

            Больше kilowatt- more rubles. Inflation- that's what I'm talking about ..
            Quote: aybolyt678
            the market price will vary depending on the exchange rates of other currencies in relation to the kilowatt.
            - which will create a lot of problems for us
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 12 February 2021 16: 12
              -1
              Quote: your1970
              More kilowatts - more rubles. Inflation is what I'm talking about.

              inflation of what? energy, rubles or goods ?? Just think, you have an extra million rubles, but you are missing one more. In a year you will have another one, but you need to keep the one that you have smile
              it has a certain purchasing power. A year passes, you have two million, but the purchasing power of money has dropped by 20%. Where did she go? There is constant inflation of the dollar in the world due to printing them beyond measure. Central banks of many countries print their own currency for the dollars they have, therefore their own currency is the repainted dollar. When you lose the purchasing power of your savings, it doesn't actually disappear, but split between your money and the newly printed dollars. You are providing with your savings the unsecured paper of another country !!. This is how the world is robbed. In our case, no matter how much electricity we produce, money in circulation will be only from the consumed and spent on energy production. Electricity is not only its production but also delivery, metering .. infrastructure. Therefore, a kilowatt is provided by this structure. Any jumps in currency will be immediately reflected in the exchange rate relative to Kilowatt! But a kilowatt is always a ruble! Therefore, nothing will change except for stable prices for electricity and basic products. And money can be stored in rubles, their purchasing power does not change.
              Quote: your1970
              - which will create a lot of problems for us

              Your feelings are close and understandable to me recourse but which is better to feed America or solve their problems? What you are talking about is like a divorce of people who have long boring each other, there are also problems. sometimes children laughing But if the heart does not lie ??
              1. your1970
                your1970 12 February 2021 20: 57
                -1
                And you again moved away from the problems I indicated ...

                Dollars issued by anyone - not recognized by the US - Are NOT money... And this is without options ...
                And now your kilowatts ...
                Tomorrow - without our consent (!!!!) - someone will produce a trillion kilowatts. Superfluous ... Allowed ?! Yes, it is quite!!!
                What kind of pit we will be then (another word) - if someone collapses your kilowatt ruble? What is the stability after that?
                Gold is limited in volumes, US dollars - the volume of production can be controlled, the output of kilowatts by anyone - we cannot even theoretically control
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 12 February 2021 21: 48
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  And you again moved away from the problems I indicated ...

                  you almost got it.
                  Quote: your1970
                  Tomorrow - without our consent (!!!!) - someone will produce a trillion kilowatts. Superfluous ... Allowed ?! Yes, it is quite!!!

                  - wink and it tempts to ask - are you talking about a nuclear bomb, a trillion kilowatts? laughing in fact, the amount of money in circulation is not equal to the goods and services produced, because old goods lose some of their value, right?
                  So here, we are not talking about the generated potential energy but about consumed for industrial needs. ... Even if someone produced such an amount of electricity, this someone does not have the infrastructure for sale, just as there is no buyer who can digest a nuclear explosion for peaceful purposes, instantly.
                  I will try to indicate theses that you do not own:
                  Firstly, who in our country has the exclusive right to trade in electricity? Only RAO EU or whatever it is ...? try to buy and resell, you will fail.
                  secondly: - you obviously have no idea about Marx's theory of value, the handbook of all Rockefellers and Rothschilds. Value is labor embodied in the commodity, and the energy ruble is energy embodied in the commodity. no contradictions, just development.
                  Real contradictions begin with the interests of bankers, the center for the emission of an energy ruble can only be state-owned, just as the formation of the exchange rate relative to a kilowatt cannot take place without the participation of the state.
                  The military capabilities of bankers exceed the military capabilities of any individual state; this is the main problem of introducing the energy ruble. The second problem is the economic illiteracy of society
                  did not understand why you wrote about dollars ?? explain
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 13 February 2021 00: 11
                    0
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    So here, we are not talking about the produced potential energy but about consumed for industrial needs.

                    Even more fun ... You offer to sell goods abroad for ... Why? I hesitate to ask - who will be interested in abroad - how much you consumed a kilowatt of internal needs?
                    I repeat - I am not interested in your variations INSIDE the country (even if it provides them with firewood!) - I am more interested in what you will do with price fluctuations - if tomorrow someone produces an unlimited volume of kilowatts? This is to your statement about
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    the center for the emission of an energy ruble can only be state-owned,


                    Once again - I'm talking about the inflation of the ruble if tomorrow 10 nuclear power plants (or 50) are built around us in the world, or a way to generate cheap energy is found?
                    1. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 13 February 2021 05: 34
                      0
                      Quote: your1970
                      Even more fun ... You offer to sell goods abroad for ... Why? I'm embarrassed to ask, who will be interested in abroad, how much have you consumed a kilowatt for domestic needs?

                      are you kidding me?? laughing the goods will be sold abroad for any currency, even for dollars at the existing rate. At the same time, the ruble is rigidly pegged to the kilowatt, and only the dollar plays against the ruble smile
                      Quote: your1970
                      what will you do with price surges - if tomorrow someone will produce an unlimited volume of kilowatts?

                      I will produce cheap and lightweight aluminum and titanium hulls for cars and aircraft since I have so much energy laughing so that every family has its own airplane wassat
                      Quote: your1970
                      Once again - I'm talking about the inflation of the ruble if tomorrow 10 nuclear power plants (or 50) are built around us in the world, or a way to generate cheap energy is found?

                      you are spoiled by the resource base of Russia smile Many people dream of energy like ours. Won Turkey, a powerful economy, and we are building nuclear power plants! about cheap energy - ask what is a thermonuclear fusion plant in Sarov.
                      and please think over your thoughts, because if the world finds a way to generate cheap energy, the reasons for wars will disappear. over the past hundred years, all wars have been fought for Energy.
                      The energy ruble is a potential world standard, in contrast to the American JOKER, which will either reduce the price of oil, then gold, or metals, while prices have fallen, it buys what has fallen in price. Then he makes it expensive and sells it.
                    2. aybolyt678
                      aybolyt678 13 February 2021 06: 08
                      0
                      Quote: your1970
                      Once again - I'm talking about the inflation of the ruble in case 10 nuclear power plants (or 50) are built around us tomorrow

                      in addition to the above, I want to enlighten you about the role of energy in the world. Here is a loaf of bread, it took a kilowatt of energy to bake it, and how much more to grind grain. A granary has been built to store grain, cement is a very energy-consuming material. The electric motor of the mill is cast from aluminum. how much electricity was spent on its production ??? In fact, everything that surrounds us can be reduced to an energy equivalent.
                      The existing world dollar system is fake. It is a vacuum cleaner that sucks out our well-being.
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 13 February 2021 08: 27
                        -1
                        Persuaded, I agree, go to the kilowatt supply .. lol lol

                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        The existing world dollar system is fake... It is a vacuum cleaner that sucks out our well-being.
                        only fake this one will exist for a very long time.

                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        over the past hundred years, all wars have occurred precisely for Energy.
                        and what kind of energy was shared in the Civil? Or Finnish?
                      2. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 13 February 2021 08: 42
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        Persuaded, I agree, go to the kilowatt supply ..

                        laughing here, I immediately realized that I was dealing with an intelligent person !!! good
                        fake will exist only until the appearance of a real standard, only for this you have to survive the war.
                        Quote: your1970
                        and what kind of energy was shared in the Civil? Or Finnish?

                        The result of the Finnish war was the annexation of the Baltic republics to the USSR, this is an additional outlet to the Baltic, a warmer climate that saves energy.
                        The result of the civil war was the Fordson Putilovets tractor, which was not sold to private hands, but distributed among collective farms. A tractor is an item for converting fuel energy into cultivated land. The earth, in turn, is an object for converting the energy of the sun into food laughing
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 13 February 2021 09: 05
                        -2
                        Quote: aybolyt678

                        The result of the civil war was the tractor "Fordson Putilovets"
                        lol lol
                        You urgently need to call E. Stoltenberg - you think the same way with him. He suggested installing solar panels on tanks to save energy and improve the environmental friendliness of armies ... He is our man, clearly ...
  • Israel
    Israel 12 February 2021 10: 25
    +1
    At one time, when I was studying what the financial system is, I read that the loan interest was not at all invented by Jews, but by nomadic herders

    Yes, I beg you, this interest rate was invented at once by everyone who started to lend.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 12 February 2021 12: 05
      0
      So completely uninteresting. Here is a conspiracy of Jewish sages is another matter. laughing
  • Far B
    Far B 12 February 2021 05: 45
    +2
    this new model is now, in particular, in Russia
    damn it, right, tunnels, we have a new model of the economy ?! And what people do not know about this? It has been impoverishing and dying out for several years in a row, exclusively in the old way ...
    without an all-consuming American market, and communist China will not last long
    A highly controversial issue, given the very poorly developed domestic market.
    And Khazin's forecasts are just forecasts: "For tomorrow -15 is expected, it feels like -25, but warming is possible."
    1. Pessimist22
      Pessimist22 12 February 2021 06: 17
      +9
      "this new model is now, in particular, in Russia"
      In Novosibirsk, food cards for the poor were introduced, the population of Russia decreased by 574000 people, a yacht 142 meters long and worth from $ 300 to 500 million was handed over to Alexei Mordashev, the economic model is new.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 12 February 2021 07: 18
      +2
      Quote: Dalny V
      And Khazin's forecasts are just forecasts: "For tomorrow -15 is expected, it feels like -25, but warming is possible."

      the forecast for the removal of Chubais came true, although it was more radical.
      1. Far B
        Far B 12 February 2021 07: 49
        +4
        And what about Chubik? Am I missing something? Lives, chews bread, oversees international relations at the very Man from the Bunker. Removed from financial flows? The main thing is that he retained his influence. Real opportunities lie with those who have influence, not loot. Colonel Zakharchenka had a lot of dough - but the influence was just not enough.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 12 February 2021 08: 50
          0
          Quote: Dalny V
          And what about Chubik? Am I missing something? Lives, chews bread, oversees international relations at the very Man from the Bunker. Removed from financial flows?

          No, he was put on a knowingly losing direction
          1. Far B
            Far B 12 February 2021 08: 57
            +1
            laughing And wherever you put it - there will be a losing direction, the tact is nothing new laughing
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 12 February 2021 14: 01
            +19
            Quote: aybolyt678
            No, he was put on a knowingly losing direction

            Now yes. In 1998, as the president's special representative for relations with international financial organizations, Chubais negotiated the provision of emergency IMF assistance to Russia, which ultimately ended in vain. The government defaulted on August 17.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 12 February 2021 10: 01
        +20
        Quote: aybolyt678
        the forecast for the removal of Chubais came true

        Is this a withdrawal! Transferred to a new, more important work to establish communications between the West and our elite on the eve of new sanctions in order to save their dough over the hill. Chubais became a firefighter for the second time: the first time he saved Yeltsin and the West gave money.
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 12 February 2021 08: 37
      +6
      Quote: Dalny V
      damn it, right, tunnels, we have a new model of the economy ?! And what people do not know about this? It has been impoverishing and dying out for several years in a row, exclusively in the old way ...

      Khazin is a Putinist, only far from the trough, so such statements are the norm for him. Looks like he hopes that such speeches will bring him closer. Delyagin is the same
    4. New Year day
      New Year day 12 February 2021 09: 57
      +18
      Quote: Dalny V
      damn it, right, adit, do we have a new model of the economy?

      Is it this economy? If it catastrophically depends on oil and gas prices and there is nothing of its own in the full production cycle, and the budget is replenished by new and old taxes, then this question arises.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 12 February 2021 05: 48
    +5
    We are alive! And this is the main thing!
  • Destiny
    Destiny 12 February 2021 05: 48
    +12
    The coming collapse will be the last crisis of capitalism, after which it will finally go down in history

    Come on! And then, will communism finally come? It's like "demobilization is inevitable, like the collapse of capitalism."
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 12 February 2021 06: 41
    +10
    Perhaps, shamans have more accurate forecasts than economists. He is always "exploring" charts and tables. But politics, nature, religion interfere in life. And all the calculations fill the urns. Without taking political risks into account, Gref's Bank "invested" in Ukraine, Turkey, Europe ... Then it was forced to wind up "projects" with losses.
    For now, the United States can solve all its problems with the help of the AUG. There are still many countries in the world with resources, which, without straining, can arrange the next "Mosul". The "establishment" can even be cruel to its citizens.
    Mr. Khazin broadcasts about the critical over-debt of households and corporations. Well, the entire twentieth century, the United States solved this problem: it sold weapons, then robbed competitors, then forced ordinary Americans to work for $ 1 per day.
    ps Domestic "Americans" are not stupid people. They continue to hold assets in dollars and everything that is "dear to the heart" is sent to "dying" America. laughing bully
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 12 February 2021 08: 43
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      Perhaps shamans have more accurate forecasts than economists. He is always "exploring" charts and tables. But politics, nature, religion interfere in life. And all the calculations fill the urns.

      Pelevin in "Numbers" describes it well wassat
      All his decisions were ruled by two numbers - "34" and "43"; the first turned on green and the second turned on red. Despite this, he was doing better than most of his competitors. Others attributed this to his paradoxical intuition; Styopa himself knew that it was all about the life-giving influence of thirty-four. However, sometimes, on a particularly dark and long winter night, a rationalist woke up in him, and he began to think how this could be - people with a whole staff of consultants, referents, analysts and astrologers make informed decisions and lose, and he sometimes rejects the correct winning only because somewhere near him flashes "43", or, on the contrary, rushes into the pool, from where "34" winked at him, and removes the bank (not always, of course, but more often than those who common sense). Gradually the answer dawned in his head.
      The era and life were so absurd in their depths, and the economy and business were so dependent on hell knows what, that any person who made decisions based on sober analysis became like a fool trying to skate during a five-point storm. Not only did the unfortunate not have the expected support under his feet, the very tools with which he was going to overtake the others, became weights that pulled him to the bottom. At the same time, ice skating rules were posted everywhere, optimistic music was played, and children in schools were prepared for life, teaching them how to make triple jumps.
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 12 February 2021 06: 49
    +9
    After all, in countries like Russia, the GDP consists mainly of oil and gas.

    Why would it suddenly? The share of agriculture and industry (including mining) in the RF GDP is 25,7%. Water and electricity supply - 3.2% as much construction. Total 32.1%. The rest is services. And trade, by the way, occupies more GDP than oil and gas. Even if we add to them all the other fossils, from gold with uranium, to sand and clay. yes
    A complete copy from the American or European economy. Only the chimney is lower, but the smoke is thinner. yes
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 February 2021 07: 34
      +3
      And what's wrong that Russia has great natural resources?
      The main thing is rational, according to the mind, to use your advantages!
      1. Lannan Shi
        Lannan Shi 12 February 2021 07: 55
        +7
        Quote: rocket757
        And what's wrong that Russia has great natural resources?

        The bad news is that there are too few of them. To live normally, stupidly bargaining with resources, the country does not succeed in any way. And at the same time, there are enough of them for the elite to prosper, sitting on them, and scoring on building a normal economy.
        Quote: rocket757
        The main thing is rational, according to the mind, to use your advantages!

        Well, yes. But so far, one scheme works. They dug-sold-spent the profit on yachts, or buried them offshore. It is difficult to classify it as rational.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 February 2021 08: 00
          +1
          Quote: Lannan Shi
          They dug-sold-spent the profit on yachts, or buried them offshore.

          So that is nothing unusual, something like this is happening in the rest of the world.
          This does not justify ANYTHING, just a statement of fact.
          By the way, we have something to compare with, for those who have not forgotten ...
          1. Lannan Shi
            Lannan Shi 12 February 2021 08: 29
            +4
            Quote: rocket757
            So that is nothing unusual, something like this is happening in the rest of the world.

            Top Russian companies. Top ten. One bank and 9 hucksters with raw materials. Find something similar, "in the rest of the world", share. I'm just afraid that "the rest of the world" will be somewhere in the African region. yes
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 12 February 2021 08: 38
              -1
              Quote: Lannan Shi
              Top Russian companies. Top ten. One bank and 9 hucksters with raw materials.

              And what do you think that all these tops open up a REAL picture of the world ???
              Do not tell my horseshoes ... in the same strip the most, the most, these are not any companies, specific faces, but FUNDS !!! who turn around with such grandmothers that many states did not dream about !!! and not in Africa, but in the very, very gayrope ...
              Learn the mat part before ....
              PS These funds are owned not by a bunch of shareholders, but by a very, very narrow circle of people ... who prefer not to advertise their wealth and importance in shaping the policy of states.
              Such they are quiet "modest".
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi 12 February 2021 09: 09
                +5
                Quote: rocket757
                And what do you think that all these tops open up a REAL picture of the world ???

                Roughly if, not to a penny. Last year, Russia produced 513 million tons of oil. Or 3.8 billion barrels. With an average annual price of 40, this is around $ 150 billion. The stub's revenue for 2020 has not yet been announced, it seems, but for 2019 - 163 billion. Do you understand the essence? One company, albeit the most promoted, spending a minimum of resources, brought the United States as much as all of its oil to Russia.
                This is the real picture of the world. The Papuans, for a handful of brilliant tzatsek, carry whatever the white Sahib wants. And in this picture of the real world, we are not at all in the role of Sahibs. sad
                Quote: rocket757
                in the same strip the most, the most, these are not any companies, specific faces, but FUNDS !!!

                Yes, do not care who and what there turns. If they have built such an economy, when, for a couple of dry cargo ships of modern variations on the theme of beads and knives, we ourselves, with a joyful squeal, hand over to them everything that we are able to dig in the depths of Russia ... Moreover, we arrange diplomatic wars and hysterics, for the right to export more ... One gets the impression that they are just turning over very competently, unlike us.
                Quote: rocket757
                Learn the mat part before ....

                I will return the advice. Read a little about colonial trade. Promotes cleansing of the brain, from nonsense about the great raw materials appendages. yes
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 12 February 2021 09: 25
                  +1
                  No question, America is a great country. They managed to adjust this world for themselves ...
                  Now the question is - Is it forever?
                  The second question - Do we need to adapt to them?
                  It is obvious that in our state we need to change a lot .... HOW?
                  Just chatter about how everything is bad, bad ... will not change anything, so it is necessary to carry out certain actions, WHAT?
                  1. Lannan Shi
                    Lannan Shi 12 February 2021 10: 18
                    +5
                    Quote: rocket757
                    Now the question is - Is it forever?

                    Not. And America will die, and China, and even us. Alas and ah. Historically inevitable.
                    Quote: rocket757
                    The second question - Do we need to adapt to them?

                    Not. Do not. The point is to adjust the second time? We have already occupied the niche of a resource supplier in exchange for high-tech goods. That, in general, is what was required of us. Well, the Yankees can still claim profit from the sale of resources, but ... It is not critical for them. How much did oil bring us last year? Considering the cost of extraction and delivery? 50 billion? 60? 70? Within the profits from the same stub. Not a trifle, but not the sums for which one should seriously butt.
                    Quote: rocket757
                    Obviously, in our state, a lot needs to be changed ... HOW

                    Yes, very simple. All fossil resources are the property of the state. Do you want to make money on oil, or on gold? Your problems. Here you can produce cars, or there are laptops. Open cafes / restaurants, transport companies, and even breeze rabbits, but do not touch the bowels. Not satisfied? Suitcase-station- namibia. Well, or is there a Uae. There you can sell your oil, gold and other nickel-iron products. Unless, of course, the locals go nuts from such an avant-garde artist, and in confusion they will not immediately kill him.
                    Take yamal lng, or the same power of siberia. There is no severance tax. Income tax cut. Zeroing of customs payments. Both for the export of products and for the import of equipment. The state, at its own expense, is building the infrastructure. Hundreds of billions are poured into bonds. Who in general, except for Mr. Michelson, has any benefit from all this? Yes, no one in general. Yes, give those tax breaks and subsidies to tech manufacturers. And in five years you will receive not just another native king, golden sand for cans from under the selling stew, but an exporter ... Yes, at least some kind of industrial products. And at the same time you will get thousands and tens of thousands of real jobs. And this is where everyone will really benefit. And the state-woo and its citizens. Not? No way? Selling only resources - is this a principled position? Or is there not enough intelligence for more complex things? If the first - to plant as principled traitors. If the second is for disability, for mental retardation. But anyway, from running the country and its finances, as far as possible.
                    Dot. Tired of discussing the obvious.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 12 February 2021 10: 28
                      0
                      Quote: Lannan Shi
                      Dot. Tired of discussing the obvious.

                      Okay ... have you tried to implement it?
                      I somehow do not ah, youthful enthusiasm ended long ago, but the fact that with age has come, prompts, SIT and DO NOT PERFECT !!!
                      To sit at all, just like that, unbearable ... I do what I can, I bring up the younger generation in ideals ... in general, I teach.
                      1. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi 12 February 2021 10: 41
                        +3
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Okay ... have you tried to implement it?

                        I tried it. After she left construction, because they needed two daughters, and they needed their mother at home, and not somewhere out there, on business trips, I opened the section. I taught Taekwondo kids. But alas and ah. Our state is poor. When the tantrum about the crown began, he decided to forbid me to work, hanging at the same time the obligation to pay taxes, rent and salary to the cleaner. The state did not have money for zeroing taxes and paying for downtime (through his fault, not mine) to employees. Everything went to compensate for the lost profit to Mr. Potanin. Thank God, I managed to jump off this train called - law-abiding business in Russia yes In the butt of the game with cheaters changing the rules as the game progresses. If the government doesn't have to follow the rules, then I don't need them either. yes
                      2. rocket757
                        rocket757 12 February 2021 10: 58
                        0
                        It's a familiar thing .... he bypassed all the problems himself, because everything is organized on a voluntary basis, and the son of the "head of the village" walks among the students, besides, the next one is on the way.
                        And since everyone admits that I teach sensibly and only useful, no one has anything against it.
                        So now, after the quarantine was lifted, everything worked as it should again.
                2. svan26
                  svan26 12 February 2021 10: 59
                  0
                  One Putinist told me: “You know, there has never been such a period in the history of the territories occupied by our country, in terms of the quality of life of the population. I started to protest, but I thought. And it's true. Every more or less working soul, without critical problems with alcohol, can collect for an annual trip to a neighboring country to the warm sea, there is no information restriction. Any. They don’t help to do business, but they don’t interfere. Education, if he wants to study, is free. Lots of work.
                  Can we tolerate these thieves with their yachts and palaces, just cultivate our garden and educate the younger generation? Will they be without our problems with the communist past and the timelessness of the 90s?
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 12 February 2021 11: 22
                    +1
                    If the PAST is only a problem for you ... then what do you expect from life?
                    1. svan26
                      svan26 12 February 2021 11: 27
                      -1
                      Do not prejudice. I see the periods of the 80s and 90s as a degradation of social values. And that's the problem. And I don't expect from life. I'm building it.
                    2. rocket757
                      rocket757 12 February 2021 11: 52
                      0
                      Ups, downs and subsequent degradation, this is not something unusual in the history of man and states.
                      We need to draw the right conclusions and move forward ...
  • New Year day
    New Year day 12 February 2021 10: 04
    +21
    Quote: rocket757
    And what's wrong that Russia has great natural resources?

    The bad thing is that the brains of the rulers are turned off in such a situation - why develop production, when oil goes through the pipe in one direction, and back - dollars and euros
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 February 2021 10: 22
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      The bad thing is that rulers' brains turn off in a situation like this.

      And who seeks from good, good?
      BUT, all this is "lyrics", what should we do? What to change, who to remove, and who to put ... if possible, in our case?
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 12 February 2021 12: 05
        +22
        Quote: rocket757
        what should we do?

        Especially when they left no choice, or rather, left alone - to die and submit
        Quote: rocket757
        What to change, who to remove, and who to put ... if possible, in our case?

        In our case, the booze will go from above, and the bottom, as always, use the top. But the ending is unknown
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 12 February 2021 12: 26
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          In our case, the booze will go from above, and the bottom,

          Most likely it will be so ... "palace coup", quietly, it is so banal, but no less effective than anything bright, enchanting.
          The question is, how will it be with us, below ... everything is very vague, although, looking at previous events, it looks like NOTHING!
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 12 February 2021 14: 03
            +23
            Quote: rocket757
            Most likely it will be so ... "palace coup"

            as always .. we cannot be otherwise
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 12 February 2021 14: 18
              +3
              Quote: Overlock
              as always .. we cannot be otherwise

              It happened in another way ... but "intra-family" showdowns are such that for everyone and everywhere it happens, the same, most often.
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 12 February 2021 19: 17
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            Quote: Silvestr
            In our case, the booze will go from above, and the bottom,

            Most likely it will be so ... "palace coup", quietly, it is so banal, but no less effective than anything bright, enchanting.
            The question is, how will it be with us, below ... everything is very vague, although, looking at previous events, it looks like NOTHING!
            Good evening Victor hi Do you think like below? I doubt the positive ..... if only something momentary. Doubts, I have, that the improvements from above will be broadcast to everyone.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 12 February 2021 19: 33
              +1
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Doubts, I have, that the improvements from above will be broadcast to everyone.

              Hi Dmitry soldier
              I support your doubts ... not for the purpose of kolobrod above, so that below something to change. This is an axiom.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 12 February 2021 19: 52
                0
                Recently, there have appeared those who want to aggressively push for money, redistribute or get even more, pushing someone back. The understanding of change is. But ordinary people have a different idea of ​​change. Let's see how it will be.
    2. your1970
      your1970 12 February 2021 12: 30
      +3
      Quote: Silvestr
      The bad thing is that the brains of the rulers are turned off in such a situation - why develop production, when oil goes through the pipe in one direction, and bucks back

      It reminded me of one country ... the USSR ...
      For 25 years they pumped oil through a pipe there, and back - Deutschmarks ...
      And it all ended very badly ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 February 2021 06: 53
    0
    Forecasts, forecasts, but you just need to continue living and doing your job. And to sit and wait, that tomorrow the northern animal will gasp and come is not rational. In such a situation, fatalists feel normal - if it is inevitable, then there is no need to worry.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 February 2021 07: 36
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Forecasts, forecasts, but you just need to continue living and doing your job.

      "Patience and work, they will grind everything!"
      Of course, I want to understand exactly that our work will not be wasted and its results will not be wasted or stolen !!!
      In general, we work, we hope for the best, but we must be ready for anything!
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 12 February 2021 07: 19
    +3
    build multi-storey houses and one-story houses on it in rural areas and give it to young families


    You also tell the sanctioned products from Europe not to bulldoze, but send them to children for free. houses...
    Nobody will do anything. Even for the sake of sick children, a new tax was invented.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 February 2021 08: 07
      +1
      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      Even for the sake of sick children, a new tax was invented

      Only kids most likely will not see this money
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 12 February 2021 10: 06
      +21
      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      sanctioned products from Europe should not be bulldozed, but sent to children free of charge. houses...

      This is wildness. Now, if the elite with this bulldozer together with forbidden products on their table and in the refrigerator, then it would be fair
      1. your1970
        your1970 12 February 2021 12: 51
        0
        Quote: GRIGORIY76
        You also tell the sanctioned products from Europe not to bulldoze, but send them to children for free. houses...

        Quote: Silvestr
        This is wildness. Now, if the elite with this bulldozer, along with forbidden products on their table

        Oh yeah!!!!! And the doctor writes it ... belay
        For you personally, at the beginning of the 1s, we confiscated a truckload of vegetables from Uzbekistan in March. There was nowhere to store, frost, and we distributed this truck to schools, kindergartens and an orphanage. And then a week later (!!!!) XNUMX (!!!) child came to the kindergarten. SES sowed - dysentery ... He could easily pick it up anywhere, but we were "lucky"

        The chief was raped in a circle - the prosecutor's office, the SES, medicine, their superiors, the police, the FSB ... All were noted ... he was detained another rank (despite the fact that we were in the top three in the Russian Federation according to the results) ... This is quiet 2000 ...

        Now imagine that this child would die ...
        You see, what would you do with him now ???? even here on VO they would shout "-Our children are being poisoned !!"

        The caught sanction has no documents, no documents at all ... And not everything can be established by analyzes ..
        Where it was made, in what conditions, from what - yes, the devil knows him ...
        By offering to give the sanction to an orphanage - you are suggesting, figuratively speaking, to go to the trash heap, find a cleaner mosol there and send it to an orphanage !!!!
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 12 February 2021 07: 27
    0
    After the collapse of the USSR and the crisis of the 90s, the current crises seem to be childish pranks.
    1. your1970
      your1970 12 February 2021 13: 01
      -1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      After the collapse of the USSR and the crisis of the 90s, the current crises seem to be childish pranks.

      The 2008 crisis was also global
  • rocket757
    rocket757 12 February 2021 07: 32
    +1
    This is not a forecast, this is much worse

    People believe what they want to believe!
    Can this situation be changed?
    Somehow history reminds us that this can be changed only in extremely rare cases.
  • DmSol
    DmSol 12 February 2021 08: 29
    +1
    Khazin is certainly a smart man. But he doesn't always say what he thinks. Sometimes he says what they want to hear.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 12 February 2021 08: 33
    0
    We did not use a respite in the summer, we need to use a respite in the future. Rewards should be distributed during the battle. Now each guru predicts a new social system in his own way. Without taking into account the nature of man. deposits of treasures. Someone wants to enter socialism, someone - in fair capitalism. Neither one nor the other will not be. Everything requires the efforts of each person, but one cannot, the other does not want to.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 12 February 2021 08: 50
    +2
    One thing can be said: it won't get any better. And here Khazin is right or wrong, the tenth thing ... The crisis of capitalism exists, and he ate, eats and will eat capitalism.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 12 February 2021 19: 20
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      One thing can be said: it won't get any better. And here Khazin is right or wrong, the tenth thing ... The crisis of capitalism exists, and he ate, eats and will eat capitalism.

      And the capitalism of the larger and stronger countries will be the capitalism of those who are weaker hi
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 12 February 2021 21: 30
        +2
        Crisis, eating all the capitalist countries
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 12 February 2021 21: 42
          0
          Quote: parusnik
          Crisis, eating all the capitalist countries

          Only all airbags are different bully
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 12 February 2021 09: 13
    +2
    trillions of over-emitted dollars, reinforced by derivatives, are merging into fake supposedly "high-tech" companies, the bubble must burst, those economies that exist can really withstand it, and sales markets will find within themselves and among the same, consumption in Russia and China, Southeast Asia can be increased quite strong, and it does not grow only while the United States is siphoning off all the juices from its economic colonies (Russia, China and the whole world). Silly rumors about the need of the United States for consumption of manufactured products and world economic stability are greatly exaggerated, if the United States explodes the world will quickly rebuild, who needs arrogant dependents? but the loss of resources of the Russian Federation or factories of the PRC for the world would be very difficult.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 12 February 2021 10: 28
      +3
      Capitalism. Brazen PAYMENT-PROPERTY dependents are badly needed. Since more than 70% of the goods produced under capitalism are garbage. Translation of good into shit. Nobody really needs rubbish. All this is released in order to provide the capitalists with "fortunes". Without the growth of consumption of anything, the capitalist economy simply dies. No chances. Take the United States away, and the Crisis of All Crises will happen in this unsustainable, stillborn, meaningless economy that we are building with such enthusiasm in our country.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 12 February 2021 15: 53
        +1
        Now, when the world economic crisis is unfolding its destructive effect, sinking entire layers of middle and small capitalists, ruining entire groups of the labor aristocracy and farmers and condemning millions of workers to hunger, everyone is asking: where is the cause of the crisis, what is its basis, how fight it, how to destroy it? The most diverse "theories" of the crisis are invented. Whole projects of "mitigation", "prevention", "elimination" of the crisis are proposed. The bourgeois oppositions nod at the bourgeois governments, which, it turns out, “did not take all measures” to prevent the crisis. "Democrats" blame "Republicans", "Republicans" - "Democrats", and collectively - the Federal Reserve System, which failed to "curb" the crisis.
        It is clear that all these "theories" and projects have nothing to do with science. It must be admitted that the bourgeois economists were completely bankrupt in the face of the crisis. These gentlemen forget that crises cannot be regarded as an accidental phenomenon in the system of capitalist economy. These gentlemen forget that economic crises are the inevitable result of capitalism. These gentlemen forget that crises were born together with the birth of the domination of capitalism. For more than a hundred years, there have been periodic economic crises, recurring every 12-10-8 years and less.
        During this period, bourgeois governments of all ranks and colors, bourgeois leaders of all degrees and abilities - all without exception tried to try their hand at "preventing" and "eliminating" crises. But they all suffered defeat. They were defeated, because it is impossible to prevent or eliminate economic crises while remaining within the framework of capitalism. What's so surprising if today's bourgeois leaders also suffer defeat? What is surprising here if the measures taken by the bourgeois governments are in fact not leading to a softening of the crisis, not to alleviating the situation of the millions of working people, but to new outbursts of bankruptcies, to a new wave of unemployment, to the absorption of less powerful capitalist associations by stronger capitalist associations?
        The basis of economic crises of overproduction, their cause lies in the very system of the capitalist economy. The basis of the crisis lies in the contradiction between the social nature of production and the capitalist form of appropriation of the results of production. An expression of this basic contradiction of capitalism is the contradiction between the colossal growth of the production possibilities of capitalism, calculated to obtain the maximum capitalist profit, and the relative reduction in effective demand on the part of the millions of working people, whose living standards are constantly trying to keep the capitalists within the extreme minimum ... To win in competition and squeeze out more profits, capitalists are forced to develop technology, rationalize, intensify the exploitation of workers and raise the production capabilities of their enterprises to the extreme limits. In order not to lag behind each other, all capitalists are forced in one way or another to take this path of frantic development of production possibilities. But the internal market and the external market, the purchasing power of the millions of workers and peasants, who are in the last analysis the main buyers, remain at a low level. Hence the crises of overproduction. Hence the well-known results, repeating more or less periodically, due to which goods remain unsold, production decreases, unemployment rises, wages fall and, thus, the contradiction between the level of production and the level of effective demand is further exacerbated. The overproduction crisis is a manifestation of this contradiction in violent and destructive forms.
        If capitalism could adapt production not to maximizing profits, but to a systematic improvement in the material situation of the masses, if it could use profits not to satisfy the whims of parasitic classes, not to improve methods of exploitation, not to export capital, but on a systematic rise in the material situation of workers and peasants, then there would be no crises. But then capitalism would not be capitalism either. To eliminate crises, capitalism must be destroyed. And in Stalin 1930
  • hhhhhhh
    hhhhhhh 12 February 2021 09: 32
    +3
    They began to talk about the Crisis of capitalism long before the birth of Khazin.
    Adam Smith, for example, Karl Marx in general only wrote about this, what will happen after the crisis of capitalism.
    The "holy faith" of the author of the article in the "American dream" is evident throughout the article - Americans are smart, they will come up with something.
    The crux of the problem is why the crisis does not speak for capitalism. Capitalism does not work without expanding markets. Today we have one big market, Earth. There is nowhere to expand.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 12 February 2021 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: hhhhhhh
      There is nowhere to expand.

      Well, usually at this phase, the war begins .. and the nizya vigorous weapons are spreading around the world, you have to use economic methods and invent ..
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 February 2021 18: 32
      +2
      "Capitalism does not work without expanding markets." ///
      ---
      Population growth under capitalism is the expansion of the market.
      In China, every year, millions of people go from the category
      the poor are in the middle class.
      Middle class - producers and consumers
      Simultaneously.
      There is an explosive market expansion in China.
      Slower in India - but also slower. And in many other countries in Southeast Asia.
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 12 February 2021 20: 27
        0
        Lucky you, you still believe in old stories ...))))
        The middle class in the USA is covered with a copper basin ...
        In Russia since 2008, how much has the middle class decreased?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 12 February 2021 20: 32
          0
          Did I write anything about the USA or Russia? smile
          1. hhhhhhh
            hhhhhhh 12 February 2021 20: 39
            0
            About the new Western trend about reasonable consumption as if against the wasteful consumption of the middle class.
            "There is an explosive market expansion in China." - what market?
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 12 February 2021 20: 41
              0
              Consumer market. Middle class people.
              1. hhhhhhh
                hhhhhhh 12 February 2021 20: 43
                0
                "Consumer market. Middle class people." - Statistics and party congresses suggest otherwise.
                Do you think the more we eat, change cars every year, the sooner communism will come?
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 12 February 2021 21: 16
                  +1
                  The sooner developed capitalism will come. As it came in Japan and South Korea, it will also come in China. Which follows the path of these Far Eastern countries.
                  (you don't need to eat more, but better, and a new car is a very nice thing fellow )
                  1. hhhhhhh
                    hhhhhhh 12 February 2021 21: 26
                    -1
                    )))))) Developed capitalism?)))))
                    corruption and hopelessness, are these signs of developed capitalism?)))
                    Are you just yesterday from the USSR?
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 12 February 2021 21: 50
                      +3
                      I live in a country of developed capitalism with a strong
                      social and health insurance - in Israel.
                      And I like this system. It suits me.
                      But there are other systems:
                      developed "Scandinavian" socialism in Sweden, Denmark ...
                      Also not bad, but boring, in my opinion (I lived there a little), stagnant.
                      There is developed capitalism with weak social support:
                      American. It is great for people who are energetic, independent,
                      self-sufficient.
                      Every man to his own taste.
                      1. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 12 February 2021 22: 01
                        0
                        If the United States stops giving Israel money tomorrow, how many days will Israel last? You will run to Rashka.
                        Can you walk the streets of Israel's advanced capitalism?
                      2. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 12 February 2021 22: 07
                        +2
                        Israel's GDP is $ 400 billion a year.
                        US military aid is 3.2 billion
                        dollars a year. A drop in the sea.
                        Why did you misrepresent the name of your country so disrespectfully?
                        - Russia?
                        And always address the interlocutor on "you". hi
                      3. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 12 February 2021 22: 15
                        -3
                        "And always refer to the interlocutor on" You. "- why is it? How did you deserve it? What is your feature?
                        is corruption in Israel a sign of advanced capitalism?
                      4. hhhhhhh
                        hhhhhhh 13 February 2021 20: 54
                        -3
                        When the arguments in support of the soviet myth of developed capitalism end, they always remember about in / in Ukraine or you.
                      5. The eye of the crying
                        The eye of the crying 18 February 2021 16: 45
                        0
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Israel's GDP is $ 400 billion a year.
                        US military aid is 3.2 billion
                        dollars a year.


                        Why are you comparing _military_ aid to GDP and not to the military budget?
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 12 February 2021 09: 44
    +2
    it would be nice to read - what Khazin wrote 2 years ago. The art of a politician or a predictor, or an economic Vanga, is to tell about what will happen in 2 years, monetize your allarmist predictions through seminars, books and publications, and then just not remember the nonsense that you broadcast before or explain the explanations - Why everything went wrong. The main thing is to make a serious turnip and broadcast vaguely about "smart" things - such as the world crisis in general and in the Russian Federation in particular. Three "geniuses" - Khazin, Delyagin and Glazyev, have long been out of work, but they have to live like that, so they cry out, so they are offended by everyone that Putin does not call them, does not ask - What to do ?! And advice for us, for mere mortals - BUY ONE GOLD COIN WITH EACH HALF. I'm not kidding, read their "works".
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 12 February 2021 10: 09
      +23
      Quote: Petrik66
      BUY ONE GOLD COIN FROM EACH HALF. I'm not kidding, read their "writings".

      Once the governor of the Moscow region, Gromov, in response to a question about traffic jams, advised citizens to buy helicopters. They are all from the same stable
    2. DMi
      DMi 12 February 2021 17: 42
      0
      Khazin has been saying the same thing for 15 years. So there is no point in "remembering" what happened two years ago. The same as now. And everything that says about the economy, capitalism and the crisis comes true.
      And gold as a long-term investment is absolutely correct advice. When the dollar ceases to be a reserve currency, gold will again become the main yardstick. The only problem is that you can't buy gold even if you have money. It is not freely available. Because those who have power even without Khazin realized that gold is the only support and everyone is actively filling their reserves with tons of gold. Waiting for a big p .... tsa.
      1. hhhhhhh
        hhhhhhh 12 February 2021 20: 29
        0
        Khazin promised that every year he will live richer and more fun? Not at all. Crappy predictions come true ...
  • Boris55
    Boris55 12 February 2021 09: 46
    +1
    No economist in the world has predicted a single economic crisis!
    But then every banker knows when he will be created by them.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 12 February 2021 09: 55
      +1
      Quote: Boris55
      No economist in the world has predicted a single economic crisis!
      But then every banker knows when he will be created by them.

      Well, the "economist" is just the "smoke protection" and puts that the banker could pull off a swindle, and then there is a crisis as a result.
    2. DMi
      DMi 13 February 2021 06: 56
      0
      However, Khazin et al. Predicted. And long before.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 12 February 2021 09: 50
    +21
    ... "Court catastrophist"

    and that says it all. Somehow recently he disappointed me with his space forecasts
    1. DMi
      DMi 12 February 2021 17: 47
      0
      More recently, the theory of khazin and his predictions have been confirmed almost daily. Probably you need to listen more carefully, and look around more carefully)
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 12 February 2021 10: 23
    +1
    Colleague Khazin really has the right to be proud of the fact that he made an accurate forecast about the 2008 crisis. However, his "crisis" predictions about a fall in the dollar and a rise in oil prices came true exactly the opposite. What, in fact, no one will even remember.
    Will remember. Why not remember? Khazin is one of those who can be counted on one hand. And apparently on one hand. A person who is engaged in economics as a science, and does not promote various "theories" with the help of which competitors are drowned and slip techniques leading to the enrichment of those who dance this "science".
    According to various estimates, the money supply and the mass of financial instruments in the world exceeds the mass of the real economy from 6 to 20 times. Considering that the United States holds the world's most powerful instrument for managing all this, let's face it, with fake "wealth," the United States, or rather, some groupings in them, are able to turn any short-term trend at will. Which is exactly what happened. Science, as they say, is powerless here ...
    The capitalist economy is doomed. Khazin is right about everything. The question is simply - are we going to drown with everyone?
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 13 February 2021 10: 42
      0
      Quote: Mikhail3
      The capitalist economy is doomed. Khazin is right about everything. The question is simply - are we going to drown with everyone?


      Khazin over the years had too many forecasts ... and it's good if 20-30% come true, I remember in 2008 he predicted the collapse of the dollar, then he spoke at RBC on the topic of financial markets ... as a result, the dollar strengthened at times and those investors (who would have followed his advice) would have gone bankrupt more than once, so since then I have been wary of his predictions. On the subject of the collapse of the capitalist economy .... what in return? Will communism come? In the meantime, the PRC's desire is not visible, to promote its development model to the rest of the world, they are doing well with capitalism in the world, the One Belt One Way project from this series ... and I do not see any more competitors to capitalism and (the American system in particular).
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 15 February 2021 09: 52
        0
        Again. Khazin predicts based on real economic trends. However, there is a tool that can change almost anything at a "short distance" so to speak. Therefore, his long prediction about the collapse of this entire system is undeniable. And the short ones are broken every now and then, because, firstly, the system is fighting for existence using a non-economic instrument. And secondly, there is human arbitrariness when using this tool, that is, decisions are made far from the smartest and most optimal.
        Money has long been out of the economy. They are not earned, but simply materialized in the right quantities. True, it is extremely difficult to reset them later. What is happening now is a storm at a standstill. The shark desperately moves, forcing itself into a stone gap, thereby ensuring the flow of water to the gills. But water contains less and less oxygen. The shark dies anyway, no matter how you turn ...
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 12 February 2021 10: 58
    0
    Wouldn't it be better for all these "outstanding economists and parallel political scientists" to develop a normal, progressive program for a big breakthrough in the RUSSIAN ECONOMY and give it to high-ranking inmates who, as they are poorly oriented in the economy, prefer the epistolary genre, fairy tales and appeals. Convince them to do just that. The slogan should be one everything for the good of a CITIZEN OF RUSSIA, everything for the FATHERLAND. Show in NATURE how the welfare of a SIMPLE RUSSIAN grows quickly and qualitatively. Here are the BRAINS apply. And so all this boggling, starting from the president and ending with you, is already tired of everyone. Prove by your deeds.
    1. Petrik66
      Petrik66 12 February 2021 11: 10
      +1
      They are not being kept for that. entertaining fiction - they can do nothing more. Baba Vanga - that's who knows everything - the right thing.
    2. DMi
      DMi 12 February 2021 17: 50
      0
      Glazyev has had such a program for a long time. Khazin, for a long time, has an explanation why no program will be accepted by the government in principle. But no one is listening)
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 15 February 2021 09: 54
      0
      It's impossible. Sorry. The entire system of economic relations is against this. There was such a chance. Only here people ... In general, no leap forward in the circumstances proposed and accepted by us is possible. Absolutely.
  • Sfurei
    Sfurei 12 February 2021 11: 20
    0
    ..the well-known economist Mikhail Khazin .... "After these words, after reading a couple of paragraphs, I decided not to go further .. A blogger and publicist with economic education .. While his forecasts come true with a probability of 10-20%. Is this not fortune-telling on coffee grounds? ? Included in the TOP-7 of frequent visitors Echo Moscow (the best economic newsletter) and this is just infa from the network .. He predicted that in 2013, "Three years later, famine will begin in Eastern Europe." I don’t remember something like that. . etc.
    1. DMi
      DMi 12 February 2021 17: 55
      0
      All predictions come true finally. He has not been on the echo of Moscow for three years. He worked in the administration of President Yeltsin. Founder of his own consulting company. The author of three books that will become classics over time.
      I don’t remember any predictions about hunger in Eastern Europe. Most likely a lie. It is not in his style to make such predictions at all.
      1. Sfurei
        Sfurei 12 February 2021 19: 53
        0
        "... All the predictions finally come true ..." - Is he the Lord God? Will books become classics over time ?? And where did he last work as an economist, and not a blogger, presenter or journalist? I don't really trust non-working specialists? Or does he only write articles of prediction, like Nastradamus?
        It's so direct about hunger and type and see: http://www.specletter.com/ekonomika/2009-08-27/cherez-tri-goda-v-vostochnoi-evrope-nachnetsja-golod.html. or here https://finance.rambler.ru/markets/45291116-ekonomist-mihail-hazin-predskazal-golod-v-evrope/ Try to strain and search .. everything is on the net ..
        In general, not one self-respecting economist never gives a 100% forecast, but only indicates the probability. But Khazin is GOD and all his predictions come true. Read at least in Wikipedia his unfulfilled predictions, and then follow the links there and check whether they are lying or not .. And everything will fall into place. request
        1. DMi
          DMi 13 February 2021 06: 52
          +1
          Khazin is not a god, but one of the few who treats economics as a science, and not as an ideological tool.
          I looked at the link about hunger in Eastern Europe. As I expected, commonplace lies and manipulation. The article says that the economies of Eastern Europe are even secondary, tertiary, and that famine will begin there when the EU's GDP falls, and they will stop financial assistance to all these countries. Attention TERMS with the article are not indicated anywhere! The title of the article is lying and Khazin's critics criticize only their fantasies, their comfortable fantasies, because in a face-to-face polemic they will have nothing to say. And there will be hunger in Eastern Europe. By the way, do not forget to unsubscribe here when this happens.
          And the whole krtitika of Khazin is just like that. People either did not read, or did not understand, or deliberately distort the essence. And they call it criticism)) you yourself read that article where the Khazin allegedly vanga hunger in THREE years?
          And what about a non-working specialist. Its own consulting company, its own research fund, the founder of the radio station Aurora, its website, a regular weekly analysis of the current situation (paid), three books, active educational activities. IMHO he works an order of magnitude more than any economist built into the mainstream
          1. Sfurei
            Sfurei 13 February 2021 10: 33
            0
            Apparently you haven't read the article yourself, but I did. Quotes: "..From the economic point of view in the coming two three The European Union is not a tenant. Of course, nobody will feed the Baltic states. .. "or this" ..First, they will begin to live as they did in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. Teeth on the shelf and regular hunger. ... "Well, WHO is lying about the headline? Or is your" economist "delusional ???
            There are more interesting quotes in the article:
            ".. The bubble in the market of IT-technologies, the Internet has brought to life a large number of companies in which it was customary to pay managers big salaries. ...." he did not understand that the IT market is a new market direction with its own product, which has a great future.
            And the fact that he works for everyone and for no one at once does not make him a professional in all the promoted industries. And working as a consultant on all issues at once (see consulting) is not an economist, but rather a publicist and presenter ...
            For example, I trust the opinion of the pros more, i.e. according to the situation on the securities market, you need to ask the one who works on the market every day, on legal basis questions need to be asked of current professional lawyers, it is necessary to operate with operating surgeons (who do 40-50 such operations per year), and not those who have a good website, a big name and 1-2 operations a year !!!
            But no one forbids you to believe those who devote more time to the media than to their main work !!
            1. DMi
              DMi 13 February 2021 12: 50
              0
              The phrases "From the economic point of view, the European Union is not a tenant in the next two or three years." And "In three years, famine will begin in Eastern Europe" have slightly different meanings. And to compile from two theses, one is just a sample of manipulation and disinformation.
              The fact that the European Union is not a tenant is generally quite obvious to everyone at the moment. Couldn't anyone argue with this? And when this will take shape already quite specifically then they will put their teeth and Russophobia on the shelf.
              In the thesis "From the economic point of view, the European Union is not a tenant in the next two or three years." Again, this is just laziness and unwillingness to understand the meaning of the theory, and instead chase bright firecrackers in the smokescreen that Khazin's ideological opponents construct.
              You read the little books. Very useful
              1. Sfurei
                Sfurei 13 February 2021 13: 21
                0
                Have you read the environment of these phrases or just what I sent. Earlier you said that there were no such phrases, now that I and everyone else did not read or hear the article, tomorrow you will say the commas were not there, etc. Or maybe it was Khazin who said something wrong ??? Or will we only blame ourselves for being deaf and dull ??.
                I read what I see, but not what the author was thinking .. "2-3 years .." is it written in the article? - Yes! Why should I suddenly have to throw them out of the text?
                "..not a tenant .." written? - Yes! Whatever sense the author has laid it did not happen .. That's all !! MEANS, the Author in this statement was wrong !! Everything else is boltology.
                I showed you that there are flaws in his articles, for me and others they are more than obvious ... If you do not see this, then perhaps this is a question for you, and not for everyone else. If you cannot dispute the facts I have written above, then this is not my problem. And references to other theories and books do not apply to these questions.
                1. DMi
                  DMi 14 February 2021 11: 33
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                  Of course I read a lot, and listened to a lot. And Khazin answered many times to hairpins with "failure to comply" with the deadlines. The specific dates depend on the specific political situation. There are groups that in every possible way delay the logical end of the modern cap. Economics. This is a process. Inertial, and with many variables. The exact dates can be walked around. And it doesn't matter, because they are frames. But the point is different. Already at Davos, they explicitly declare that the state should be abolished, and the consumption of the population should be sharply reduced. And Khazin is still being called an alarmist and a wang)) well, this is how stubborn one has to be ..
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 12 February 2021 12: 28
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    What to predict then?
    In general, stocks / bonds are going up. The ruble is falling. Inflation in the RF is growing. Banks of the Russian Federation. reduce rates.

    Those. everyone is pumping money out of the population, preferably smoothly. And forcing themselves to take risks and invest in Shares, so that later they can pump it out.
  • iouris
    iouris 12 February 2021 12: 33
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    "Khazin's colleagues" ask him to give an optimistic forecast for the economy. All Wright. Yeos. There are. Other "duty economists". And the "colleagues of Khazin" themselves could give them. Otherwise, the guard is tired of waiting. So don't forget that politics often takes precedence over economics. And if the "right politicians" need a catastrophe, then where to put our optimism? In short, gentlemen economists, your time is up, go out and build!
    1. tigoda
      tigoda 12 February 2021 22: 12
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      From you, brother, "guard", like a ballerina from me. I quote Vitsin: "I don't like it and don't listen !!!"
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 12 February 2021 12: 37
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    Mikhail Khazin referred to Vladimir Putin's speech for the online forum Davos-2021, where it was said that this new model is now, in particular, in Russia.

    The coming collapse will be the last crisis of capitalism, after which it will finally go down in history.


    Capitalism is going down in history, but Russia has a new "economic model" to replace it. And what kind of model is this? If not capitalism, only feudalism remains, since socialist attempts were completely destroyed in order to satisfy the whims of the elite.
    1. DMi
      DMi 12 February 2021 17: 59
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      So far, there are three options for Khazin. Feudalism, fascism, communism ... new models have not yet been invented. A new model can only be invented in Russia, including with his modest participation.
      What "new model" Putin offers to Khazin is most interesting. So far, this is a mystery covered in darkness)
      1. Artunis
        Artunis 3 March 2021 14: 03
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        Khazin does not position himself as a political scientist and he offers a very specific, but economic model. He does not pretend to be a social model of the structure of society and constantly emphasizes this. This is for the sake of objectivity. In fact, this (economic) model is actually the same in essence offered by Glazyev and Katasonov and Delyagin and many other less public people, but the liberal lobby in power and under her is to death against even a public discussion of this model.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 12 February 2021 12: 41
    +1
    Exactly. Khazin spoke of an imminent crisis, but no one believed. It will not be long to wait to check Khazin's forecast - the collapse of the US and Chinese economies to 50% with corresponding social consequences.
  • tigoda
    tigoda 12 February 2021 22: 08
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    some rotten comments, about nothing ... the bots probably made ...
    I think Khazin is great.
    He warns, like a radar detector, about a policeman with a radar in the bushes. If the trouble cannot be removed, then it is useful to learn about it in good time.
    The article is really a little vague, but this is a review of the new one, so some kaleidoscopicity is acceptable. I like it !
  • Vovan
    Vovan 12 February 2021 23: 53
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    “Whom God wants to destroy, he first deprives him of reason.” - Sophocles
    Three thousand years have passed, and the little men are still in the power of Apollo, and do not want to remember the myth of the most beautiful of the daughters of Priam.
  • sir Galant
    sir Galant 14 February 2021 14: 53
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    Khazin is balabol. What came true of what he predicted? Crisis, default? so anyone can predict it! But in fact - about nothing ...
  • Valery Fedorov
    Valery Fedorov 14 February 2021 16: 02
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    Once again we have to say that all the games within the framework of the unchanging existing paradigm, now also at the level of manic schizophrenia, will not lead to anything other than a reduction in the discreteness of systemic crises. prevails. Well, and Khazin with predictions somehow in recent years more and more resembles an unqualified meteorologist ...))
  • aiisakov
    aiisakov 16 February 2021 19: 38
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    For some reason, all commentators stop at forecasts (predictions belay ) Khazina. But forecasts are not the most important thing. The main thing is to create a new look at the economy - how to build it further in Russia. Now criticize this. If you have your own opinion.
  • Artunis
    Artunis 3 March 2021 13: 50
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    Khazin quite definitely speaks about China in the sense that for him this impending mega-crisis will also be very difficult and no less painful than for the United States. The author is either disingenuous or not very familiar with Khazin's forecasts. You need to study your opponents more carefully. This is without any resentment or offense, just advice.