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And what should I consider a worthy old age?

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Poll, another poll



Today, the demand for sociological research and polls is not as great as it was in the bold zero. Apparently, it seems that everything is clear even without polls.

Nevertheless, either by phone or somehow, I, a pensioner with solid experience for more than ten years, are asked how that goldfish is:

"What do you want, older."

I don't always answer. And I want to refuse more and more often ... After all, they will twist again, raising questions with a trick. And offering answers, as in that joke: the first option -

"Yeah I do not mind",

second -

"No I do not mind".

The content doesn't matter anymore. Although it was funny when they managed to promptly ask me what I think about "Putin's Palace". Yes, I don't think anything, I have enough of my own worries. I don't care about Navalny either. And before they deal with Nord Stream. Although I would like to pay less for gas, of course.


Nevertheless, when I was asked the other day what the size of the pension would suit me, without hesitation, I blurted out: fifty thousand. And I immediately felt myself in the role of Shura Balaganov with his modest requests, which did not at all embarrass the great schemer.

Should I have asked for more?


Actually, it was not about the fact that they would give me as much as I ask. But even a million (not dollars, but rubles) in my life will not seriously change anything. Moreover, I will certainly transfer it to my children and grandchildren. Well, or I will distribute it for gifts for years to come.

By the way, I also have some extra work. And even their own chickens. This is in addition to the garden and vegetable garden. And it seems like the prospect of hunger does not threaten. There is still enough for medicine, but with transport it is worse - in Moscow the other day they pissed off to the limit due to the fact that for me nothing is free at all! Metro, bus, minibus ...

Own poverty does not bother. And I do not consider myself poor at all. But other people's wealth more and more infuriates. No, I understand that from many who are richer, there is some benefit. They give a job to someone. And sometimes they pay quite well.

It is bad when everyone (or almost all) of those around them are impudently considered rogue. This is neither I, nor, it seems, and everything seems to be unable to forgive me. And it would be fine if only they poked us in the eyes with their Bentleys and Porsches, and blocked the sun with three-meter fences.

Whoever hinders us will help us


In fact, they interfere with life! And the main thing is that they do not just establish their own rules wherever possible, and especially where it is impossible. They try to impose them (these rules of their own) on everyone. But everyone will never sit on a Porsche. And they won't hide behind the fences.

Actually, I don't even mind when a person does not hide that he is strong and rich. And if at the same time he is also modest. Yes, he does everything he can, for the common good ... After all, even if the state with the pension reform has so unenviable, there are those who are implementing their own small pension reforms.

I already know a lot of pensioners whom businessmen (both Russian and foreign, which is almost the norm) have made so happy. And the fact that it is not yet possible to make large state pensions for all pensioners overnight, I, having trampled on the topic up and down, understand, most likely, better than many others.

Yes and no need. It is better not to interfere with the same elderly and still healthy people, to earn a little money, without depriving them of allowances. Babysitters and concierges, kioskers and advertisers, even handymen at various events - not everyone is sitting in offices or online.

I remembered here that back in the 90s, pensions in Russia were no more than fifty dollars. I knew it well from my grandmother. And delays in payment were the most common thing. There is no strong growth - the new figures in dollars are almost completely eaten away by inflation. And our Russian, and dollar.

Those 50 thousand


And after all, the very 50 thousand, about which I announced, having participated in the survey, are received by not so few pensioners as it might seem. Especially from among servicemen or from hazardous industries. So, my neighbor is a teacher, however, she is from Moscow, in the end she has already reached the same amount, although she is younger than me.

But something completely different is worse - people like your author were once deprived of any opportunity to really save something for their old age. Independent pension funds appeared, but only a few went there with their hard-earned money. The memory of both MMM and the default is still too fresh.


It's strange to me a little, but now for some reason they don't even remember that in the early 90s, with the collapse of the USSR and Gaidar's shock, both coffin and children's money, invested by millions of Soviet citizens in the most reliable and unsinkable Savings Bank, simply burned out like a dummy ...

And what is typical, some kind of compensation was then organized. And just she looked like sheer mockery. The recount was carried out almost one to one.

So what?

Never mind.

Swallowed by the audience. This has happened more than once in Russia (both Soviet and capitalist).
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  1. Shahno
    Shahno 11 February 2021 18: 14
    +4
    // what do I think about “Putin's Palace //
    This moment is worthy of a separate topic ... Undoubtedly, everything is not so and not like that ... Well, for anyone, someone created a myth about the State Department. Well, they'll blame everything on Navalny and the State Department.
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 11 February 2021 18: 25
      +37
      Quote: Shahno
      // what do I think about “Putin's Palace //
      This moment is worthy of a separate topic ... Undoubtedly, everything is not so and not like that ... Well, for anyone, someone created a myth about the State Department. Well, they'll blame everything on Navalny and the State Department.


      I'll reveal a secret. The palace is being built for pensioners. When the construction is completed, all the country's pensioners will be gathered and settled there. They will teach you how to play hockey, they will develop a good habit of wines, aquadiskotheque again. The leaders think about us. They think. But don't push it out to the public. You need to understand.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 11 February 2021 19: 27
        +11
        Quote: sergo1914
        When the construction is completed, all pensioners of the country will be gathered and settled there.

        Have you watched the film Island? Hollywood?
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 11 February 2021 23: 48
          +11
          That "pensioner" has grown into the throne and is not in a hurry for a "well-deserved rest", although it would be high time. And the usual accelerated rates in the "bunkers" 2x2 are determined in order to "protect" from adversity.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 12 February 2021 02: 24
            +4
            Quote: lexus
            "bunkers" 2x2

            Do not distort! There was a clear definition: "Wooden Mac"!
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 12 February 2021 02: 25
              +11
              Then "affordable housing".
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 12 February 2021 03: 21
                +4
                Quote: lexus
                "affordable housing".

                "Inaccessible crooks"! what
                1. Lexus
                  Lexus 12 February 2021 03: 32
                  +2
                  Fenced off from the People "macintosh" of hangers-on and security officials.
                  1. Civil
                    Civil 12 February 2021 06: 37
                    +1
                    And the fact that it is not yet possible to make large state pensions for all pensioners overnight, I, who have trampled on the topic up and down, understand, most likely, better than many others.

                    1. Generally say thank you for giving something. The state owes you nothing!
                    2. And yes, there is more to come many pension reforms and pray to God not to remove it at all.
                    3. And the funny thing is, the new government, the new head of the FIU, will say, as always:
                    It was the last time, now everything is different, all claims to the predecessor
                  2. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 12 February 2021 10: 10
                    +6
                    Quote: lexus
                    Fenced off from the People

                    This photo is just for you.
          2. clerk
            clerk 13 February 2021 16: 11
            -2
            That "pensioner" has grown into the throne and is not in a hurry for a "well-deserved rest", although it would be high time. And the usual accelerated rates in the "bunkers" 2x2 are determined in order to "protect" from adversity.
            They forgot to ask you. He actually won the election. Moreover, even his opponents do not deny this. Therefore, you can walk through the forest with yours and the State Department's Wishlist. In the next elections, nominate your candidate.
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 14 February 2021 15: 23
              0
              All candidates who had even a minimal chance of winning are in prison, under house arrest or forced to flee the country. Vaughn Grudinin dared to take second place in the elections, so in an instant they dragged him through the courts so that he would no longer stick out. So you have to go through the forest and not drive a blizzard here.
              1. clerk
                clerk 14 February 2021 22: 51
                -2
                Are you seriously? Thieving collective farmers Grudinin or a few street pawns are real contenders? Not even funny
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 11 February 2021 19: 31
        +15
        Quote: sergo1914
        Quote: Shahno
        // what do I think about “Putin's Palace //
        This moment is worthy of a separate topic ... Undoubtedly, everything is not so and not like that ... Well, for anyone, someone created a myth about the State Department. Well, they'll blame everything on Navalny and the State Department.


        I'll reveal a secret. The palace is being built for pensioners. When the construction is completed, all the country's pensioners will be gathered and settled there. They will teach you how to play hockey, they will develop a good habit of wines, aquadiskotheque again. The leaders think about us. They think. But don't push it out to the public. You need to understand.

        Something even tightly closing my eyes .. pinching myself .. I still can't believe it .. wassat Unless we are talking about those retirees whom they seem to us on TV .. who already look like mummies .. who have pulled all the skin off the crown .. and their face has been poured abundantly with Botox .. and who have become lifelong workers .. who are legally allowed to "plow" \ paddle .. to the grave. They will probably leave this boarding house with an aquadiskotheque for them .. it would be funny to watch how they dance there ..
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 11 February 2021 19: 40
          +2
          for all zaputintsy and his opponents - since 89 it has begun - his shirt is closer to his tits. even if some other and is pressed very tightly from the outside to this shirt.
          .i EBN and GDP are not sovereign owners. blame everything on Biden or Mitterrand, and MSGorb is to blame for what? and Ryzhkov? and Kravchuk and Kuchma in the USSR were punished for something?
          I remember at the residual value they sold their products to their people - both sausages and refrigerators and cars (the BAB went up in the lair).
          it is sad to look at non-academic squabbles on the site.
          1. Alena Frolovna
            Alena Frolovna 11 February 2021 22: 09
            -16%
            // what do I think about “Putin's Palace //

            Don't be afraid to support Putin
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 12 February 2021 00: 09
              -10%
              Quote: Alena Frolovna
              // what do I think about “Putin's Palace //
              Back in 2012, A. Wasserman argued as follows:
              In the west, the media have already poured so much dirt on V.V. Putin, that the average man in the street does not understand why he is still in the White House on the embankment, and not in the Hague Tribunal. More charges are attributed to him than was enough for Milosovic to “heal to death” in the Hague prison. It is already known for sure that Milosovic's treatment took place in direct contradiction with the spectrum of his diseases known to doctors. And this happened because for all the time they did not manage to bring charges, which Milosovic did not refute. And as soon as Putin goes abroad as a private person, she will bring him to the Hague prison. Therefore, Putin and Russia at this stage of our country's development are closely linked.
              Putin is more than anyone else interested in the development of our country. So that Russia begins to be reckoned with, as before, and no one even has any thoughts to jail a citizen of our country on trumped-up charges.
              How much more weighty these arguments have become today. Karen Georgievich is also a talented and honest person.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 13 February 2021 12: 07
                0
                So whose palace is it? Or a dacha in the Crimea?
            2. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 05: 26
              +3
              Shakhnazarov: "... This is the person who absolutely corresponds to the tasks facing the country ..."
              This is said by a man whose formation, whose fame was born in Soviet times ... Yes, today all his creations are not worth a penny.
              But, back to ... List of tasks facing the country with a mark on the implementation and solutions in the studio, please!
              The hypocrite and prude gives sermons to potential slaves that the country had one task: "" and "rabble" should not prevent the "elite" from enjoying peace in old age ...
              Tell me, dear, this is your tele-essay, this is your appeal, Mr. Shakhnazarov - Putin's confidant, to whom did he send it? At the very beginning, he spoke about the millions of "fans" of the guarantor. Why overfill the bowl? Is it really necessary to ask for the support of someone who has already been supported by 76, 69% of voters? For what purpose? Few?
          2. nils
            nils 11 February 2021 22: 09
            +29
            - Vladimir Vladimirovich, how can one live to retire?
            - What is happening in the USA, have you seen?
            - BUT...
            - And in Kiev, what a mess?
            - But ...
            - The next question.
            1. Snail N9
              Snail N9 11 February 2021 23: 30
              +8
              Come on guys, in nature, you can see how the grandmas are spinning .... lol
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 11 February 2021 23: 59
                +3
                "Grandmas are spinning," but the majority of citizens are not in their cycle .. As in the 90s.

                Fragment from the movie "Poor Sasha" (1997)
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 01
        +23
        Quote: sergo1914
        The palace is being built for pensioners. When the construction is completed, all the country's pensioners will be gathered and settled there.

        And the gases will be allowed to save the budget. The fewer retirees, the greater the power margin
      4. Dwellernet
        Dwellernet 12 February 2021 12: 36
        +6
        And as soon as the Nord Stream is completed, they will immediately sell gas to foreigners, money for pensioners in the country will appear. You look and gas prices will be reduced. In the meantime, you need to be patient, Gazprom is already at a loss.
      5. Greenwood
        Greenwood 13 February 2021 12: 10
        +2
        Quote: sergo1914
        The palace is being built for pensioners. When the construction is completed, all the country's pensioners will be gathered and settled there.
        You know, oddly enough, something similar has already happened in history. You can draw an analogy, so to speak. lol
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 11 February 2021 18: 19
    +14
    And I'm up to retirement ...
    And will there be this pension? Over those fifteen years, so much can change. So you have to live / survive today. So far it turns out, which is what I wish for you.
    1. prior
      prior 11 February 2021 18: 30
      +24
      These 15 years will fly by, you will not have time to understand how and when.
      And then ..... okay, I will not talk about sad things.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 February 2021 00: 16
        +7
        Quote: prior
        And then ...

        The western pensioner travels the world, while ours goes the world.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 12 February 2021 06: 57
          -13%
          Quote: lexus
          The western pensioner travels the world, while ours goes the world.

          All Western pension systems are based on shared participation of both the state and the citizen from his own income. We don’t invest anything from our income in the Pension Fund (in the overwhelming majority). The bulk of our population, based on the experience of two defaults, bases its distrust in the banking system. And we are not accustomed to make pension contributions on a voluntary basis. We don't always have enough money. Some for bread, some in Bali, some for a drink. We can only look into the future when we receive a pension. And only then questions arise - how to live on what was given? I think this question should be asked to oneself at the first labor salary, as those who retire around the world do.
          1. Vladivostok1969
            Vladivostok1969 12 February 2021 09: 28
            +8
            I think you should ask yourself this question on your first wage, as those who retire around the world do it. - - The bulk of our population bases its distrust of the banking system on the experience of two defaults.

            You asked a question and answered it yourself. And if there is savings, then inflation eats them up. In our economic situation, someone will hardly be able to save from youth to old age.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 12 February 2021 10: 35
              -12%
              Quote: Vladivostok1969
              Someone will be able to save money from youth to old age in our economic situation.

              You see, it seems to me that our whole life, if you look at it in a somewhat simplified way, is a long-distance race. Like any race, there will be a group of leaders, a group of the so-called. peloton, the most numerous, and there will be outsiders. And each of us will have his own reason why he (me, you, etc.) is in this or that group. Someone stronger, more active, more capable of risky actions, he will be in the lead. Someone with varying degrees of satisfaction will make up the "bulk" of those who are not very successful, but also not in poverty. And there will definitely be those who are in the tail. For different reasons. Some are waiting for good luck and manna from heaven all their lives, others will rely that a strong state, at times infringing on the average mass, will feed completely stragglers. The third is simply lazy (to study, to look for a profitable job, but not very attractive in other parameters, to take on a higher than usual responsibility). Well, someone really does not want to tear off a piece of ration for today in order to lay down the stock for tomorrow. For different reasons. And at the end of the distance, the result of our attitude to life begins to appear. Someone is calm, like a boa constrictor. And someone becomes annoyed that he has a pension = a living wage. At the same time, he lacks the courage to admit that he himself is guilty of most of his failures. So the groans begin that he was not given enough, cheated, etc. Here I deliberately do not single out the disabled. After all, of them, almost always only those with disabilities from childhood did not initially have a chance to become leaders. In the majority of other cases, our troubles are largely man-made. The experience of discussing such topics leads me to the idea that the idea of ​​a responsible attitude to one's life and well-being does not find support among a significant part of VO commentators. Apparently, the Soviet idea of ​​the state's duty to spoon-feed everyone and their fill, including those who did not particularly deserve it, are still alive.
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 05: 41
                +5
                Quote: Hagen
                Apparently, the Soviet idea of ​​the state's duty to spoon-feed everyone and their fill, including those who did not particularly deserve it, are still alive.

                Go to the State Duma, to the Federation Council, to a meeting of the Government of the Russian Federation and there push your theories about the race.
                And we are witnessing a race when an unknown surprise becomes a symbol of default, leaves the race, and then suddenly appears before the finish line with a gold medal ... This is a race ... This is a spurt ...
                Tell the miners, steelworkers, power engineers about the risk in life ... You can turn to surgeons, pilots, bus drivers, electric locomotive drivers ... But you never know? They will understand you and tell you about the risk and its consequences.
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 13 February 2021 09: 43
                  -5
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  Go to

                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  tell me

                  Who are you to teach me what to do here? Here you go and ... go ... I will somehow figure out without being sad what I should do. All were mentioned here. Both miners and pilots. And who are you, how long have you been from the mine, from the flight? What do you personally offer productive to those young people who for the first time get a salary card today? What other thoughts do you have besides fan manure?
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  And we are witnesses of the race

                  Therefore, you moan about a hopeless life, that only witnesses, not active participants.
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 10: 07
                    +3
                    Quote: Hagen
                    Who are you to teach me what to do here?

                    And who are you that you want to expose your idea of ​​life as an indisputable truth?
                    Quote: Hagen
                    What do you personally offer productive to those young people who for the first time issue a salary card today?

                    I propose to change my life to the one we lived in the USSR.
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 13 February 2021 13: 05
                      -2
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      And who are you that you want to expose your idea of ​​life as an indisputable truth?

                      Note, I am not indicating that this is the only way to be done, but I am showing that this is possible. And there the choice is for the reader. There are no prescriptions or instructions on who to go where ...
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      I propose to change my life to the one we lived in the USSR.

                      What do you suggest? A pipe dream? What is the probability that life under the USSR will return in the desired form in the foreseeable future? Zero ... You also don't know how to get it back, and you won't give any practical recipes. So what is the use of such a proposal? No .... just empty. You have nothing to share with the young ...
                  2. victor50
                    victor50 13 February 2021 11: 47
                    +3
                    You throw manure here, just trying to convince everyone that it is halva.
                    1. Hagen
                      Hagen 13 February 2021 13: 08
                      -5
                      Quote: victor50
                      You throw manure here, just trying to convince everyone that it is halva.

                      "Dung" and an attempt to convince of something are different entities. But you don't want to understand that either. Well, you are quite right. As Kerry once said, in a free country, a person has the right to be not smart ...
                      1. victor50
                        victor50 13 February 2021 14: 51
                        +2
                        Quote: Hagen
                        As Kerry once said, in a free country, a person has the right to be not smart ...

                        You are a prime example of this rule! laughing
                      2. Hagen
                        Hagen 13 February 2021 15: 11
                        -2
                        Quote: victor50
                        You are a prime example of this rule!

                        The amount of pensions will show who is an example of what .... I am planning mine for 55, while everything is going well. And you, smart guy, how do you think to go to retirement? Looking for a budget? wassat
                      3. victor50
                        victor50 13 February 2021 19: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: Hagen
                        And you, smart guy, how do you think to retire? Looking for a budget?

                        Traditionally, for those who correspond to the Kerry formula, consider that others are dumber than them! lol And teach how to live. How - the first person on the planet! Before you, Neanderthals lived! laughing request
      2. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 12 February 2021 10: 30
        +9
        All Western pension systems are based on shared participation of both the state and the citizen from his own income. We don’t invest anything from our income in the Pension Fund (in the overwhelming majority).

        Do you know how much of the payroll tax goes to the FIU?
        20% ...
        And the total tax is at 40% ...
        This is your nothing!
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 12 February 2021 10: 55
          -12%
          Quote: VIK1711
          Do you know how much of the payroll tax goes to the FIU?
          20% ...
          And the total tax is at 40% ...
          This is your nothing!

          Tell me, what have you got to do with it? The payer of contributions to the FIU is the employer from its own funds. So it is written in the documents Do not confuse your wool with bourgeois laughing ... You are not there. You pay only personal income tax. Dot. If you think otherwise, please confirm with documents, not OBS.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 12 February 2021 11: 38
            +4
            the owner himself? not hired? ............................................... ..............................................
            Do you know how to put yourself "fair" and workers "environments in the region"? and what deductions from that environment will be?
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 12 February 2021 11: 53
              -8
              Quote: antivirus
              the owner himself? not hired?

              Whether the owner or the CEO hired by him, there is not much difference. The main thing is the employer.
              Quote: antivirus
              Do you know how to put yourself "fair" and workers "environments in the region"? and what deductions from that environment will be?

              You will somehow define in terms. I told you about contributions to the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation, what do you mean by the phrase "how to put yourself fair ..." you probably did not quite understand yourself. You are confusing payroll with payroll deductions. In any case, I judge by what you wrote.
              1. antivirus
                antivirus 12 February 2021 11: 56
                +7
                you are confusing - I ABOUT "THERE IS NO SENSE TO EXPECT FOR A WORTHY PENSION WITH MINOR W \ PL". in those salaries that people are now paid, there is no future high pension. maybe from 20-35 pipes you can't "deduct" 10 pipes / month.
                only aid from the state (Ministry of Finance) to the FIU

                you can confuse anyone - not your loved one
                1. Hagen
                  Hagen 12 February 2021 16: 15
                  -7
                  Quote: antivirus
                  maybe from 20-35 pipes you can't "deduct" 10 pipes / month.
                  only aid from the state (Ministry of Finance) to the FIU

                  In 2020, the "median" is 35. That's not a lot. Therefore, it is necessary to start postponing from the first working days. The earlier you start, you will collect more. Here they wrote something about Western pensions. So that's what they do. And if you retire tomorrow, you won't be able to do anything.
          2. Vikxnumx
            Vikxnumx 15 February 2021 09: 39
            0
            Tell me, what have you got to do with it? The payer of contributions to the FIU is the employer from its own funds. So it is written in the documents Do not confuse your fur with bourgeois laughing. You are not there. You pay only personal income tax. Dot. If you think otherwise, please confirm with documents, not OBS.

            These taxes do not allow employees to increase their wages!
            40% on wages ...
            It is not enough? Can you explain why our "peers in the West" do not offer to pay taxes in the American way: everyone pays for himself once a year!
            Maybe this is all because the vegetable who will give the money. Better to spend them on children!
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 15 February 2021 18: 33
              0
              Quote: VIK1711
              Maybe it's all because the vegetable who will give the money

              Our tax system, in which the employer acts as your tax agent, has developed and settled for a very long time, so no one will radically change it. And if you suddenly felt the urge to take personal income tax from you personally, then be sure that the state would take this tax from you, so much so that you would have brought the next one to the cashier. And no vegetables. Leave the tales about 40% and not the increased salary for the children unreasonable. Half of the country suffers upon retirement, because in the early 2000s there were many such enterprises that did not pay social insurance or pension contributions, but did not add a penny to those who were left without pensions. We have already gone through this ... Some even today have a craving to work for a penny in an envelope. Everyone chooses his own employer ...
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 05: 32
        +8
        Quote: Hagen
        And we are not accustomed to make pension contributions on a voluntary basis.

        We were disaccustomed to save for old age by robbing us at the first convenient moment. Don't you want to remember the excitement with which non-state PFs were born? And today you teach young people to forget the old and rely on new businessmen.
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 13 February 2021 09: 57
          -4
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Don't you want to remember the excitement with which non-state PFs were born?

          In three years (the term under the agreement is this), I will receive from my NPF a second pension the size of a social one. And without any groans about pension reform, I can retire (for real rest) according to the old age scale. And imagine, today a lot of people use such a service, and the NPF has not burst, has not disappeared, and the local "dealers" systematically inform me about the accrual of investment income. This structure is more than 20 years old, and there are no prerequisites that it must necessarily burst. In any case, the amount that I personally deposited is insured. And while you can testify .... From the outside. In the hope that everything will burst and everyone will be robbed laughing And we will somehow make it through these years and double our pension payments so that we can live with dignity even in retirement.
      4. clerk
        clerk 14 February 2021 00: 05
        -4
        What retirement savings can be in youth, if this commie-libard still whines that if there is a new Stalin, he will build communism for them for free. One word - Sharikovs.
    2. Oleg Monarchist
      Oleg Monarchist 12 February 2021 14: 33
      -3
      Lexus (Alex)
      The western pensioner travels the world, while ours goes the world.


      You are a real "Bolshevik", you still believe in elves in Western Europe and in Santa laughing

      Grow up, young man .....
  3. Koval Sergey
    Koval Sergey 12 February 2021 06: 46
    +18
    From the news: Topilin resigned from the post of head of the Pension Fund of Russia - "The Moor did the job, the Moor can retire."
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 12 February 2021 08: 52
      +4
      Quote: Koval Sergey
      From the news: Topilin resigned from the post of head of the Pension Fund of Russia - "The Moor did the job, the Moor can retire."

      When will the FIU retire?
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 11 February 2021 19: 58
    +14
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    And will there be this pension?

    Most likely it won't. In general, I do not hope for the so-called state, we create a reserve for old age with my wife, naturally not in monetary terms (with our craftsmen, any money will be lost). You cannot provide a decent old age now simply by working, you have to get rid of it.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 11 February 2021 20: 34
      +6
      So my wife and I are the same ...
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 11 February 2021 22: 12
        +15
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        So my wife and I are the same ...

        Have you noticed? EP adherents pulled themselves up.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 11 February 2021 22: 22
          +1
          Have you been minus? And then, I just have personal ones, who press the button for and without reason)))
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 11 February 2021 22: 27
            +5
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Have you been minus? And then, I just have personal ones, who press the button for and without reason)))

            I noticed that you. I also have enough of them, however, as well as like-minded people.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 12 February 2021 00: 30
              +13
              The parasites are outraged that you are not milking well. Not completely.
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 11 February 2021 22: 59
            +4
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Have you been minus? And then, I just have personal ones, who press the button for and without reason)))

            She is so popular)))))
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 12 February 2021 00: 51
              +9
              Popularity has nothing to do with it. This is deevolution. "The mustache carrying the blizzard" declared that "they want to restore Russia in the times of Nicholas II, this is their ideal." Serfs "took it under the hood" and began to degrade to the point where most of the population was illiterate. Therefore, from the functional only "hay / straw" with "+/-" remained.
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 12 February 2021 10: 02
      -2
      tell me about the groundwork? in real estate?
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 12 February 2021 10: 36
        +1
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        tell me about the groundwork? in real estate?

        Real estate and business, even if we ourselves can no longer work, there will still be a small passive income if something does not happen again in the country.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 12 February 2021 11: 43
          -2
          real estate is understandable, but with business it is not very good, with such changes in life, there is no need to hope for a durable business
          1. lis-ik
            lis-ik 12 February 2021 11: 56
            +1
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            real estate is understandable, but with business it is not very good, with such changes in life, there is no need to hope for a durable business

            I wrote about that (if something doesn't happen again in the country), but the business is tied in some way to real estate. There is still a small share in a shopping center in Moscow (we had to sell part of it), we plan to buy out a rental store in the region where we are now working. then when you have no strength, hand it over too. Plus, now we live in a country house (recently built), after four years of inactivity (it was a pity) the Moscow apartment was finally handed over. If I sell the remaining share in the Moscow business, then I will buy a couple of more apartments in the region and rent it out too. Something like this.
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 12 February 2021 12: 13
              -1
              good luck to you and your business
              ps our conversation was minus))))
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 12 February 2021 12: 14
                +1
                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                good luck to you and your business
                ps our conversation was minus))))

                Thanks. I don't pay attention to this minus. there are such, only wakes up late.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 12 February 2021 11: 42
        -1
        moonshine and medicinal herbs ..
        and bricks ... and plastic bottles .. and old newspapers .. with furniture from 50-70s
  • New Year day
    New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 14
    +31
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    And I'm up to retirement ...

    And I am already retired - 16300.
    I do not deny myself anything, I travel around Europe laughing
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 12 February 2021 01: 02
      +12
      $ 200. The entire pension for two rogue weekends from "Eagle and Tails" is just enough if you can walk to the place of "rest" on contraband paths and eat pasture on the way.
    2. Hagen
      Hagen 12 February 2021 07: 01
      -9
      Quote: Silvestr
      And I am already retired - 16300.

      Once you wrote that you go to work twice a week and you have enough. I was wrong? If not, be honest to the end. Medical workers in Moscow do not live in poverty at all ...
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 12 February 2021 12: 10
        +25
        Quote: Hagen
        go to work twice a week and you have enough. I was wrong? E

        I was not mistaken, that's just left for 1 time per week. Thank goodness the employer is interested in me ... for now
        Quote: Hagen
        Medical workers in Moscow do not live in poverty at all ...

        It's like the average temperature. It all depends on the main thing.
        A simple question - if they pay so well, why is there not enough doctors in Moscow?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen 12 February 2021 16: 22
          -4
          Quote: Silvestr
          A simple question - if they pay so well, why is there not enough doctors in Moscow?

          Because renting a house is worth it. In addition, there are not enough doctors everywhere. It's just that the degree of the shortage is different. By the way, you can save money from what you pay. in 5-8 years, you can collect another pension, and it will already be under 30. If you wish.
          1. Severok
            Severok 14 February 2021 20: 28
            0
            Fuck you a science fiction ... You do not write about offspring why ??? Is it because you did not take it into account, or maybe because the training manual is not provided ???? Or maybe you are a superego and are planning to interrupt your kind without reproducing? ...
            Do not consider your interlocutors as fools. Stop doing this, you will look smarter than continue to argue about a decent pension in eRef.
            1. Hagen
              Hagen 14 February 2021 21: 35
              0
              Quote: Severok
              Do not consider your interlocutors as fools.

              I read your message .... Hmmm ... Who are you to be considered, may I ask? For being unable to support a family? This is, after all, your problem. If you want, multiply. Why hysteria here? I've already "multiplied" mine. But I would advise you not to tell me in that tone. How smart I look in your eyes, it makes no difference to me. The opinion of those who are incapable of life is not strong for me ... I am not going to be elected from you.
      2. Tank hard
        Tank hard 12 February 2021 18: 26
        -5
        Quote: Hagen
        Once you wrote that you go to work twice a week and you have enough. I was wrong? If not, be honest to the end. Medical workers in Moscow do not live in poverty at all.

        Yes, they are principled Internet revolutionaries. Today they will say one thing tomorrow. They just need to sway the pipe. They are very worried about the people sitting on the couch. Why should they? And you can worry, and comfort. laughing
  • Tank hard
    Tank hard 11 February 2021 18: 19
    +29
    A person should know that upon retirement, he can live with dignity. Just live. not to survive. Young people should know what awaits them. The lack of positive examples undermines confidence in the authorities and in the state in general. When young people see that nothing good awaits them in the future in which. they will no longer be so young and healthy, they can quite rightly decide that they do not need a country that does not need them, weakened and aged. Tips such as "no money, but you hold on" do not work here. Yes, and no one likes individuals who first promised to do something, and then did not fulfill those promises. repeat
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 11 February 2021 18: 24
      +28
      Young people should know that having paid for housing and communal services and having bought the necessary medicines, you will stand in the store and think what would be the cheapest food to buy, what will be enough for, because the month is just beginning ... And what, let them prepare, do not get fat on retirement, let know.
    2. dedusik
      dedusik 11 February 2021 18: 33
      +18
      Who would let him know. repeat In the mid-80s, we thought and believed that after leaving the seniority at 25 we would receive a pension in the amount of at least 240 rubles, at that time a good pension, even very good, but then perestroika, the collapse of the union, but most of all we were "happy "the pension reform associated with an increase in official salaries and for special titles - by exactly 50% reducing all our dreams and desires. True, little by little they began to raise more or less at first, and then - how it went. The young growth that is now serving will receive the full amount, but we, the old stumps, will receive the full amount only in 13 years, if someone survives. So much for you to "know".
      1. Squelcher
        Squelcher 12 February 2021 00: 08
        +2
        Thinking this is good, but the average pension in the USSR was about 80 rubles.
        1. martin-159
          martin-159 12 February 2021 15: 08
          +3
          And the cost of living is 42 rubles. 50kop.
    3. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 11 February 2021 18: 59
      +24
      Quote: Tank Hard
      A person should know that upon retirement, he can live with dignity. Just live.

      If a person survives on a salary (it is not for nothing that even the authorities have dubbed such "working beggars"), then how can he live with dignity on pension? belay Or is it such a banter?
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Young people should know what awaits them.

      Here she is this youth and knows that now without cronyism and acquaintances you cannot even get a job in your specialty, not to mention warm places, like in Shnurov's song: "I work in the office!"
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 11 February 2021 20: 30
        -6
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Or is it such a banter?

        Here are 4 comments to mine, and none understood what I said. Although everything seems to be transparent. Well, to each his own ... request
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 11 February 2021 21: 00
          +6
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          Or is it such a banter?

          Here are 4 comments to mine, and none understood what I said. Although everything seems to be transparent. Well, to each his own ... request

          smile I will answer with a toast: "So let's drink to the crystal dreams of our future, so that they do not crash on the cast-iron ass of our reality!"
          Now it is clear? Dreaming is not harmful. wink hi
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 11 February 2021 21: 03
            -5
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            Dreaming is not harmful

            It’s not harmful to dream. wink hi
            1. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 11 February 2021 21: 07
              +6
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Quote: Sovetskiy
              Dreaming is not harmful

              It’s not harmful to dream. wink hi

              While we were dreaming, we raised the retirement age to "peterochka" ....
              Or else it will be oh-oh-oh (First-grader's song) lol hi
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 11 February 2021 21: 09
                -8
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                , we have raised the retirement age to "peterochka" ...

                I already wrote about it earlier, and in general, it's a button accordion.
                1. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 11 February 2021 21: 09
                  +2
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  I already wrote about it earlier, and in general, it's a button accordion.

                  What is "button accordion"?
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 11 February 2021 21: 11
                    -1
                    Quote: Sovetskiy
                    What is "button accordion"?

                    This means that they shouted and danced on this topic so they broke the button accordion. Such an expression
                    1. Sotskiy
                      Sotskiy 11 February 2021 21: 15
                      +6
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Quote: Sovetskiy
                      What is "button accordion"?

                      This means that on this topic, the accordion has already been torn. Such an expression

                      I would then organize a factory for the production of this instrument, because the topic of social protection of the population in conditions of "driving away from paternalism" will be eternal! hi
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 18
          +28
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Here are 4 comments to mine, and none understood what I said.

          They said everything correctly, but do you understand that what was said under Putin is impossible? If so, why do you support him?
      2. Squelcher
        Squelcher 12 February 2021 23: 40
        +1
        Thanks to gentlemen communists
        In the USSR, the word "blat" also acquired a different meaning. In the conditions of a permanent deficit of a planned economy, the acquisition of goods often depended on getting to know the sellers or nomenklaturars who distributed one or another product. To refer to such useful acquaintances, as well as the very process of acquiring goods in this way, the word "blat" began to be used. Among the masses, the proverb received wide circulation: "Blat is stronger than the Council of People's Commissars"
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 11 February 2021 19: 33
      +6
      Quote: Tank Hard
      Tips such as "no money, but you hold on" do not work here.

      As you are sharply in opposition .. no, I certainly support and believe that common sense will prevail sooner or later .. But just the other day you selflessly defended the authorities ..
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard 11 February 2021 20: 21
        -6
        Quote: Svarog
        As you are sharply in opposition .. no, I certainly support and believe that common sense will prevail sooner or later .. But just the other day you selflessly defended the authorities.

        No, I haven't changed my principles. You just don't know my principles. And to explain to people like you is counterproductive, you are not able to understand all one thing. if you still don't understand.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 11 February 2021 20: 30
          +11
          Quote: Tank Hard
          No, I haven't changed my principles. You just don't know my principles. And to explain to people like you is counterproductive,

          Why? I would understand .. you do not want a revolution and therefore are ready to endure .. because if a revolution happens, it will be even worse .. let it be better as it is now .. right?
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 11 February 2021 20: 40
            -8
            Quote: Svarog
            Why? I would understand

            laughing Volodya (come on). And you lived so that to eat three times a day, is it just happiness?
            Quote: Svarog
            you do not want a revolution and are ready to endure

            Have you experienced this revolution at least once?
            Quote: Svarog
            it's better as it is now .. right?

            Now I drive an all-wheel drive Nissan (this is not a pretentious Patrol, but a hard worker "Terrano"), bought for cash from an authorized dealer 3 years ago. For honest money. In the 90s I went to Cherokee, Kruzak-80,100, but not my own, but the organization, not knowing whether I would be alive the next morning. That's why I need extreme? I did have it richly. hi
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 11 February 2021 20: 53
              +8
              Quote: Tank Hard
              Volodya (come on). And you lived so that to eat three times a day, is it just happiness?

              I had times when I was happy to eat once a day .. a bottle of kefir with a roll seemed the tastiest thing in the world ..
              Now I drive a Nissan 3WD car. bought for cash from an authorized dealer 90 years ago. For honest money. In the 80,100s I went to Cherokee, Kruzak-XNUMX, but not my own, but the organization, not knowing whether I would be alive the next morning. That's why I need extreme? I did have it richly. hi

              Up to 25 years old, my whole life is a continuous extreme .. I grew up in N. Chelny and was an active participant in many processes taking place in the city .. You probably heard about 29-to-s .. google ..
              But that's not the point. I also ate extreme sports ..
              I actually mean that it is difficult for me morally, at least in some way to support those whom you support .. despite the fact that everything is not bad for me either .. But I stopped thinking only for myself a long time ago .. Now it's more about children and grandchildren ..
              So I understand you. But from our truth in the vastness of the revolution will not happen ... This is what I specifically tell you laughing So let's be honest. This is where positive changes begin. hi
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 11 February 2021 21: 00
                -7
                Quote: Svarog
                I had times when I was happy to eat once a day .. a bottle of kefir with a roll seemed the tastiest thing in the world ..

                Then why do you need this naughty again? Tea is not 25 years old, you can not stretch it.
                Quote: Svarog
                I actually mean that it is difficult for me morally, at least in some way to support those whom you support

                Do you know who I support? I think you are still very wrong. But as I posted earlier, I do not change the country for a buza.
                Quote: Svarog
                But I stopped thinking only for myself long ago .. Now it's more about children and grandchildren ..

                That's why, instead of rallies, I go to the gym. And who is right, time will tell.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 11 February 2021 21: 13
                  +11
                  I had times when I was happy to eat once a day .. a bottle of kefir with a roll seemed the tastiest thing in the world ..

                  Then why do you need this naughty again? Tea is not 25 years old, you can not stretch it.

                  I don't need nix, but I consider it unacceptable to be silent or support this orgy. And the fact that we are balabolim balabolim will definitely not be. Nix is ​​done in the offices .. But if the whole of Russia says what he thinks, then in the offices they will begin to think .. and while everyone is afraid of the naughty, they will cut and destroy the country.
                  Do you know who I support? I think you are still very wrong. But as I posted earlier, I do not change the country for a buza.

                  No, curious .. and who?
                  That's why, instead of rallies, I go to the gym. And who is right, time will tell.

                  So we have even been to VO for a long time .. and time shows that the one who is critical of the government is right, because every year it only gets worse ..
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 11 February 2021 21: 15
                    -8
                    Quote: Svarog
                    No, curious .. and who?

                    You are not attentive ... request
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Duck, we have even been to VO for a long time .. and time shows that the one who is critical of the authorities is right, because every year it only gets worse

                    Well, I’m not worse yet, but it’s worse. I know.
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 11 February 2021 21: 18
                      +4

                      You are not careful ... request

                      And you are mysterious .. laughing What is even indecent to voice, whom do you support?
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 11 February 2021 21: 34
                        -5
                        Quote: Svarog
                        And you are mysterious

                        And then.
                        Quote: Svarog
                        What is even indecent to say whom you support?

                        I definitely do not support United Russia, Communists and Navalnists. Something like this. request
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 11 February 2021 21: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: Svarog
                        And you are mysterious

                        And then.
                        Quote: Svarog
                        What is even indecent to say whom you support?

                        I definitely do not support United Russia, Communists and Navalnists. Something like this. request

                        Zhirinovsky is the result? laughing
                        But the fact that not United Russia is already happy .. hi
                      3. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 11 February 2021 21: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Zhirinovsky turns out in the end

                        United Russia party, SR, KPRF, LDPR, for me, are one thing. Only the names are different. laughing
                      4. Svarog
                        Svarog 11 February 2021 21: 44
                        +5
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Zhirinovsky turns out in the end

                        United Russia party, SR, KPRF, LDPR, for me, are one thing. Only the names are different. laughing

                        Well, indeed, everyone who is a systemic "opposition" is essentially the same thing ..
                        So you mean for Platoshkin? He is a socialist. I don't know anyone else, no seriously, who else do we have? There are also nationalists ... but I don't know what they are called ..
                      5. Snail N9
                        Snail N9 11 February 2021 23: 31
                        +12
                        A dignified old age? Tell them ...
                      6. Lexus
                        Lexus 12 February 2021 01: 20
                        +2
                        "Most of all, take care of and save a penny, this thing is the safest in the world. A comrade or friend will cheat you and in trouble will be the first to betray you, but a penny will not betray you, no matter what kind of trouble you are. You will do everything and break everything in the world with a penny .." . "(C) Nikolai Gogol" Dead Souls ".

                        Some live according to the precepts of Chichikov and run the risk of being burned out on the same. If not on the naughty mukhera, the "state" will still find a way to turn the pockets of a citizen inside out and nullify the income from his property.
                    2. New Year day
                      New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 25
                      +23
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      United Russia party, SR, KPRF, LDPR, for me, are one thing. Only the names are different

                      Tree sticks! And what to do with this "opposition" gurgling from the master's table?
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 27
                  +22
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  I definitely do not support United Russia, Communists and Navalnists.

                  Let me be curious - are you an anarchist? After all, besides your list, there is no one in the arena. On whom did they lay their eyes?
                3. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 12 February 2021 00: 40
                  -9
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  After all, besides your list, there is no one in the arena.

                  In the arena, "milen" is exchanged for a ruble, don't you know? laughing You don’t know anyone else ... repeat
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  Let me be curious - are you an anarchist?

                  I am a realist. wink
                4. New Year day
                  New Year day 12 February 2021 01: 38
                  +23
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Realist i

                  What are you a realist request
                  if you really live for yourself.
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  "milen" is exchanged for the ruble, don't you know?

                  apparently you still have to study and learn
                5. Tank hard
                  Tank hard 12 February 2021 18: 05
                  -3
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  What are you a realist
                  if you really live for yourself

                  And you are trying everything for the people. laughing
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  apparently you still have to study and learn

                  Sometimes it's not shameful to learn. So I try to learn so far. But you probably again did not understand what I mean. wink
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 11: 01
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    So let's be honest. This is where positive changes begin.

    Positive changes will begin after others believe in your honesty. I can prove by examples: NN Platoshkin, NN Bondarenko. and many others.
    Sometimes the beginning of positive change occurs precisely because of the opposite case: people stop believing in the honesty of the person who has cheated them for many years. He cheated casually, simply by its essence and way of thinking. He cheated out of habit and for the sake of mercantile interests. Do you know:
    You can deceive part of the people all the time, and the whole people for some time, but you cannot deceive the whole people all the time.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 23
    +28
    Quote: Svarog
    I would understand .. you do not want a revolution and therefore are ready to endure .. because if a revolution occurs,

    What a revolution! No violent! And there are two revolutionaries in the country - Putin and Navalny. One - grabbed, the second - breaks. New sanctions will be introduced, the life of the people will only get worse. The main thing is stability, because in the cemetery there is also stability, and under the guise of this stability they steal, steal and steal honey agarics
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 12 February 2021 01: 56
      +1
      Quote: Silvestr
      people's life will only get worse

      Quote: Silvestr
      stability in the cemetery too

      The active relocation of the "superfluous" along this route is precisely the "handiwork" of thieving "stabilizers".
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 11: 28
      +2
      Quote: Silvestr
      А there are two revolutionaries in the country- Putin and Navalny. One - grabbed, the second - breaks.

      I cannot agree with your statement just because of this:
      Revolution - radical, radical, deep, a qualitative change, a leap in the development of society, nature or knowledge, conjugate with an open gap with the previous state... Revolution as a qualitative leap in development, as faster and more significant changes, is distinguished from both evolution and reform ...

      I cannot admit that Putin has made a radical, let alone a qualitative change in the development of our country. But I don’t deny that part of the reforms he carried out, in a sense, influenced the improvement of certain aspects of the life of Russians. As for an open break with the previous state of society, judging by the EBN Center, it is not. The further structure of the state can be called rather "administrative ordering" of processes. By the way, we do not even know the programmatic theses of these reforms, as well as the estimated final results. But, the guarantor thinks that without him Russia will "shout". But I am inclined to think that he is more concerned not with "post-Putin" Russia, but with his own state outside of power.
      The second “revolutionary”, apart from exposing embezzlers and thieving officials, and fighting corruption, has no far-reaching plans. And you should know that a revolution cannot be done alone. It is unlikely that Mr. Navalny is capable of being the head of state. A government position is possible as the head of the anti-corruption committee.
      Any return to the rails of the socialist way of life, which so much frightens today's society, will be truly revolutionary. Only for this to destroy the already stunted economy is not necessary (unnecessarily). True, possible candidates for leadership in this process are in disgrace, and it is not known how the former people's property and what was stolen over thirty years will return to the country (bloodlessly). Although ... The experience of Li Kuan Yew and the Chinese Themis may provide some prerequisites, thank God, and his own experience has not yet been forgotten.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 12 February 2021 07: 09
    -6
    Quote: Tank Hard
    When young people see that nothing good awaits them in the future in which. they will no longer be so young and healthy, they can quite rightly decide that they do not need a country that does not need them,

    They themselves are that country. How to be unnecessary to yourself?
    Quote: Tank Hard
    The lack of positive examples undermines confidence in the authorities and in the state in general.

    To have positive examples, you need to read these groans less on VO. We must strive to improve ourselves in the process of life and not try to eat up everything that is available today. The young have everything in their hands.
  • datura23
    datura23 11 February 2021 18: 23
    -36%
    there are grandchildren who ask - grandfather grandfather, what is this? This is happiness. You who are crying about your pension, who are you? ................... shit
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 11 February 2021 18: 34
      +5
      Such grandchildren had to be strangled in the cradle. Actually, you are lying, these are not grandchildren, but ..........
    2. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 11 February 2021 19: 04
      +16
      Quote: datura23
      You who are crying about your pension, who are you? ................... shit

      I wish you to be in the "shoes" of a disabled person, then we'll see what you will sing later.
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 February 2021 01: 58
        +4
        Will continue to crow.
      2. saigon
        saigon 12 February 2021 06: 16
        +2
        Well, the skin of a disabled person, what to do you get used to, they take horseradish to work, but I have no idea how to pensioners.
  • Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 11 February 2021 18: 24
    +19
    if I had a pension of 35000, I would not go to work
    1. Destiny
      Destiny 11 February 2021 18: 28
      +19
      Don't say ... 50 thousand is enough for the author to be happy - this is for Moscow, in the regions, and 20, the pension is considered normal.
      1. Ryaruav
        Ryaruav 11 February 2021 18: 31
        +19
        I completely agree with you, for the regions 50000 an excellent salary and not exactly a pension
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 11 February 2021 20: 03
          +5
          Quote: Ryaruav
          I completely agree with you, for the regions 50000 an excellent salary and not exactly a pension

          In Moscow, this is also an excellent salary. Listen less to those who talk about 100 and above.
      2. Rose capone
        Rose capone 11 February 2021 19: 23
        0
        "Don't tell ... 50 thousand for the author is enough for happiness - this is for Moscow, in the regions, and 20 pension is considered normal." "" "" "Pension 20500 in Moscow. Only in January I spent on a taxi (" Pyaterochka ", polyclinic - 4 times , rehabilitation center-2 times, round-trip, MFC-2 times-far from home, social security, pension fund, etc., standing in traffic jams, etc.) - more than 22 rubles.
        And in cold weather and a failure in the metro, the rates of Caucasian-Asian taxi drivers soar at times.
        Sobyanin does not give pennies, the constitutional right to freedom of movement.
        And what to eat? How to pay for a communal apartment !?
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 11 February 2021 18: 31
      -3
      Quote: Ryaruav
      if I had a pension of 35000, I would not go to work


      Hmm ... Where would you go?
      1. DMB_95
        DMB_95 11 February 2021 19: 29
        0
        Quote: sergo1914
        Quote: Ryaruav
        if I had a pension of 35000, I would not go to work


        Hmm ... Where would you go?

        To church, I guess.
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 11 February 2021 19: 31
          -3
          Quote: DMB_95
          Quote: sergo1914
          Quote: Ryaruav
          if I had a pension of 35000, I would not go to work


          Hmm ... Where would you go?

          To church, I guess.


          For some reason I thought about striptease
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 11 February 2021 19: 35
            -3
            You can also striptease, and then - atone for sins. The main thing is that you have enough health for everything!
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 30
          +23
          Quote: DMB_95
          To church, I guess.

          So there too ... for the money request Today priests are walking and barefoot like Rasputin is not a camilfo. They would be geldings and behi
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 12 February 2021 02: 08
            +4
            The bribe for the funeral service has been "indexed" by 2,5 times compared to 2015. At this rate, they will soon cease to get into geldings and behi. It will be easier to roll than to carry.
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard 12 February 2021 18: 35
            -2
            Quote: Silvestr
            So there too ... for the money

            And you then what, you are not a believer for any. And, again, you worry about the people. laughing
            Quote: Silvestr
            Today priests are walking and barefoot like Rasputin is not a camilfo. They would be geldings and behi

            Is it the priests to blame you that they are dissatisfied with the pension? And, just such a character, envious. laughing
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 11 February 2021 19: 45
        +2
        on the licks in the woods in the park to the grandchildren in another city.
        strange - there are museums and recreation centers. garden Garden. to feed the birds. recall how shiny circles were collected in the recess - "but you can get drunk on this soda?" - "no, it's a cork, not 3 kopecks"
    3. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 11 February 2021 18: 35
      -1
      if I had a pension of 35000, I would not go to work

      Disingenuous. We would go. But, the stash would be bigger laughing
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 11: 35
      0
      Quote: Ryaruav
      if I had a pension of 35000, I would not go to work

      Yes you? I have enough 31 646, 47! Plus the wife is a little over 15 thousand.
  • aars
    aars 11 February 2021 18: 25
    +6
    Men shouldn't think about pensions.
    You have to work until you die, which is more than easy to do.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 32
      +26
      Quote: aars
      You have to work until you die

      The question is philosophical: work to live or live to work?
      On the gate of Mauthausen it was also written: "to each his own"
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 February 2021 02: 18
        +3
        Jedem das Seine (German) - to each his own. Prisoners of Buchenwald saw her from the inside at the gate.
        Arbeit macht frei (German) - labor makes free. The motto of the concentration camps Sachsenhausen, Auschwitz (Auschwitz), Theresienstadt and Gross-Rosen. Cannibalism is still alive today. But not in Germany.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 11: 48
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        The question is philosophical: work to live or live to work?

        You have to eat to live, not live in order to eat. As for Mauthausen, this comparison is not entirely correct. I always remember at the same time:

        hi
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 11: 45
      0
      Quote: aars
      Men shouldn't think about pensions.
      You need to work until you die, which is more than easy to do.

      You described everything so beautifully: in the evening you fell asleep, and in the morning you no longer have to go to work ... fellow For the last 23 years he worked at energy enterprises. Work with harmful and hazardous working conditions (induced voltage, climbing work and other crap). So, people worked, worked, worked, worked, and at one point they discovered occupational diseases that were incompatible with the continuation of work. After that (some) dreams of death were so desirable that they committed suicide. And we, who knew him cheerful and joyful for many years, did not understand why this could happen.
      And there were those at the enterprise that could not be pulled out of the office. We said about such people: "The office will burn, and he (she) will come to the ashes for another five years."
      hi
    3. Aag
      Aag 15 February 2021 18: 57
      0
      Quote: aars
      Men shouldn't think about pensions.
      You have to work until you die, which is more than easy to do.

      Work or Die?
  • zenion
    zenion 11 February 2021 18: 28
    +4
    Your years ------ Your wealth!
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 11 February 2021 19: 02
      +2
      Your years ------ Your wealth!

      Uh-huh .. Now, if only, say, the bank took it as collateral against a loan .. Or, let's say, took it in payment for housing and communal services ..
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 February 2021 02: 31
        +2
        Banks and other crooks, on the contrary, think of how to "rob" old people. Housing and communal services 2x2 will not be surprised for years.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 11: 54
          0
          Quote: lexus
          Banks and other crooks, on the contrary, think of how to "rob" old people.

          yes Your truth. I couldn’t resist and asked Sberbank why they were sending me an SMS with an offer of a credit card up to 750 at 000% per annum. I didn't hear an intelligible answer, but the last one was a month ago.
          1. Aag
            Aag 15 February 2021 19: 03
            0
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: lexus
            Banks and other crooks, on the contrary, think of how to "rob" old people.

            yes Your truth. I couldn’t resist and asked Sberbank why they were sending me an SMS with an offer of a credit card up to 750 at 000% per annum. I didn't hear an intelligible answer, but the last one was a month ago.

            I could be wrong, but apparently because some debts are inherited ...
            Long health to you! hi
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 February 2021 18: 31
    -17%
    A worthy old age, these are worthy grandchildren. Pensions are certainly not enough, but we don't put our teeth on the shelf.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 34
      +22
      Quote: Ros 56
      Decent old age, these are worthy grandchildren

      Do your grandchildren have enough candy? Birthday present or New Year's?
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 12 February 2021 07: 05
        -4
        Without fail. hi And on a bicycle, and on a tablet, and on a scooter and on various other things, about ice cream and so on, I am silent, otherwise the parents will find out. laughing
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 12 February 2021 12: 11
          +20
          Quote: Ros 56
          Mandatory. And on a bicycle, and on a tablet, and on a scooter and on various other things, about ice cream and so on, I am silent, otherwise the parents will find out.

          In! And why then grandfather! So it should also remain for myself hi
  • Shahno
    Shahno 11 February 2021 18: 39
    +3
    Quote: sergo1914
    Quote: Shahno
    // what do I think about “Putin's Palace //
    This moment is worthy of a separate topic ... Undoubtedly, everything is not so and not like that ... Well, for anyone, someone created a myth about the State Department. Well, they'll blame everything on Navalny and the State Department.


    I'll reveal a secret. The palace is being built for pensioners. When the construction is completed, all the country's pensioners will be gathered and settled there. They will teach you how to play hockey, they will develop a good habit of wines, aquadiskotheque again. The leaders think about us. They think. But don't push it out to the public. You need to understand.

    Ahh, thanks. And then we here in ancient Palestine do not understand anything. Explained, now yes ..
  • nnm
    nnm 11 February 2021 18: 49
    +17
    I looked at what amounts we are writing ourselves and I agree with the author - in no way do our dreams differ from mriy Shura Balaganov. For some, 20 thousand is enough, and 50 is just the ultimate dream. But in fact, these are just handouts. Compared to our deductions, compared to the added value created ...
    One would like to ask, is the difference between the average Russian pension and the pension of 500 thousand for a deputy big? 200-300 thousand from a judge or a prosecutor?
    No, understand correctly, I am not a supporter of the fact that everyone would receive little, exactly the opposite. I just want to see the real balance of income and expenses of the pension fund. Never in my life have I seen the figures of the Pension Fund's expenditures on myself. I want to know why my state believes that it is better to buy Sberbank from itself for 3.2 trillion, why it considers it possible to compensate the oligarchs for losses from sanctions, why it believes that it can reduce subsidies to the Pension Fund of Russia and raise the retirement age, why from year Does he take away the payment of contributions to the funded part of the payers per year? ! Why, in general, by this decision, the recipients are deprived of their property without a court decision, but only by a government decree?
    So far, no calculation, no justification has been presented. Only some ratios of payers and recipients taken from the sky.
    Or let them introduce an individual funded system and I myself will take care of my pensions, and not wait for handouts from the state.
    Although, to be honest, I'm not expecting them for a long time. In our country, elderly people, since they no longer pay taxes, are not needed by anyone. As well as children for the same reason.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 11 February 2021 19: 03
      +23
      An ordinary Russian has been working for 40 years and earns a pension of 13 rubles during this time. And the deputy has been working for 800 years and earns a pension of 5 rubles. This is what effective work means! Vladimir Vladimirovich, we don't need 220 million new high-tech jobs! Create the same number of deputies! (C)
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 11 February 2021 19: 19
      -2
      Quote: nnm
      One would like to ask, is not the difference between the average Russian pension and the pension of 500 thousand for a deputy big?

      Share the source? I found other information
      Quote: duma.gov.ru
      In accordance with the legislation, the average monthly salary of a deputy of the State Duma in 2018 is 399,3 thousand rubles before income tax (that is, a deputy of the State Duma receives 347,4 thousand rubles on average). It should be noted that, in accordance with the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of February 27.02.2015, 10, salaries to the State Duma deputies are paid with a decrease of XNUMX%.

      The actual accrued average monthly salary for the six months of 2018 (taking into account the days of illness of deputies of the State Duma and vacations) amounted to 388,5 thousand rubles (338 thousand rubles after income tax).

      The monetary remuneration of the State Duma deputy, from which the supplement to the pension is calculated, taking into account indexations in 2018, is 84 thousand. 774 rubles.

      Thus, the pension provision of a deputy of the State Duma is 46 thousand 626 rubles in the performance of duties from five to 10 years and 63 thousand 581 rubles in the performance of duties for 10 years or more.
      1. nnm
        nnm 11 February 2021 19: 26
        +2
        Yes, I apologize - I was wrong about the deputies' pensions. Only about 100 thousand.
      2. for
        for 11 February 2021 20: 59
        +7
        Quote: Flood
        Thus, the pension provision of a deputy of the State Duma is 46 thousand 626 rubles in the performance of duties from five to 10 years and 63 thousand 581 rubles in the performance of duties for 10 years or more.

        You just need to add additional payments, benefits, etc. to this.
    3. depressant
      depressant 11 February 2021 19: 21
      +10
      Eh, colleague nnm! ...
      In Russian legislation, there is no concept of a minimum pension provision at all, but there is a concept of PMP - a pension subsistence minimum. In 2018, the average minimum payments amounted to RUB 8, taking into account indexation by 703% from January 3,7, 1. And in subsequent years, only the insurance pension was indexed by a small percentage. And if not insurance, then the person did not receive any indexing, 2019 - in false teeth and goodbye!

      The amount of the accrued pension depends on the social category, seniority and other factors. For example, since 2018, those who have worked for at least 9 years and have gained at least 13,8 pension points began to receive an insurance pension. And others will be able to receive a pension for old age, for the loss of a breadwinner, or other types of it, but also mockingly insignificant.
      Here, look, at the beginning of 2019, the average pension was:
      8 807 RUB for disability;
      8 875 ₽ for the loss of a breadwinner;
      11 873 ₽ for Chernobyl victims.
      You will not clear up!
      But in addition to the continuously growing communal apartment, the prices of food and medicine are also constantly growing - clothes, shoes, bed linen, and household items. They, oddly enough, wear out, deteriorate.
      And, what is especially scary, the inevitable ongoing repair of plumbing, which breaks down with surprising consistency, even in new homes, even expensive ones.
      And what about the inevitable redecoration of all rooms in an apartment or house? The one that is supposed to be held every 3 years according to sanitary standards? Well, even if it's just to tint, grease, plaster, isolate something ... An old man himself can no longer do minor repairs, so hiring someone?
      All this is terrible ...
      1. nnm
        nnm 11 February 2021 19: 33
        +8
        Wrong word, colleague. That's right, we, the people, someone called human oil. And there is. As long as even a drop of taxes, contributions, fines, surplus value can be squeezed out of us, we are still allowed to live. More precisely to survive. As soon as we become useless, employers, ministries, foundations, governments immediately forget about us.
      2. for
        for 11 February 2021 21: 04
        +6
        Quote: depressant
        But in addition to the continuously growing communal apartment, the prices of food and medicine - clothes, shoes, bedding, household items

        Move over the Samara region. we are getting cheaper. The cost of living has been reduced again.
        1. depressant
          depressant 11 February 2021 21: 12
          +3
          Yes, this is such a sad joke, colleague for.
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 39
        +23
        Quote: depressant
        All this is terrible ...

        Honestly, every nation is worthy of its ruler.
      4. Aag
        Aag 15 February 2021 19: 25
        +1
        Quote: depressant
        Eh, colleague nnm! ...
        In Russian legislation, there is no concept of a minimum pension provision at all, but there is a concept of PMP - a pension subsistence minimum. In 2018, the average minimum payments amounted to RUB 8, taking into account indexation by 703% from January 3,7, 1. And in subsequent years, only the insurance pension was indexed by a small percentage. And if not insurance, then the person did not receive any indexing, 2019 - in false teeth and goodbye!

        The amount of the accrued pension depends on the social category, seniority and other factors. For example, since 2018, those who have worked for at least 9 years and have gained at least 13,8 pension points began to receive an insurance pension. And others will be able to receive a pension for old age, for the loss of a breadwinner, or other types of it, but also mockingly insignificant.
        Here, look, at the beginning of 2019, the average pension was:
        8 807 RUB for disability;
        8 875 ₽ for the loss of a breadwinner;
        11 873 ₽ for Chernobyl victims.
        You will not clear up!
        But in addition to the continuously growing communal apartment, the prices of food and medicine are also constantly growing - clothes, shoes, bed linen, and household items. They, oddly enough, wear out, deteriorate.
        And, what is especially scary, the inevitable ongoing repair of plumbing, which breaks down with surprising consistency, even in new homes, even expensive ones.
        And what about the inevitable redecoration of all rooms in an apartment or house? The one that is supposed to be held every 3 years according to sanitary standards? Well, even if it's just to tint, grease, plaster, isolate something ... An old man himself can no longer do minor repairs, so hiring someone?
        All this is terrible ...

        It was also lucky with false teeth!
        Excuse me, please, this is a kind of sad humor ... So I understand that not all of the categories you listed are entitled to free prosthetics. hi
    4. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 11 February 2021 21: 52
      +10
      Quote: nnm
      In our country, elderly people, as they no longer pay

      Actually, they pay. Just a little smaller. The same VAT. Well, it's not the Rotenbergs who pay for it from their own profits? It falls on the consumer. This means that pensioners donate every sixth ruble to the state. yes
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 February 2021 02: 43
        +2
        Much bigger. When purchasing goods and services, they cover in full the tax and excise duties included in their price, payable by manufacturers, sellers, etc.
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 37
      +24
      Quote: nnm
      In our country, elderly people, since they no longer pay taxes, are not needed by anyone. As well as children for the same reason.

      Therefore, such a state has no future. Young people, looking at the ordeal of their parents, hardly want to repeat their fate. There are several ways out of this: get drunk, leave, or rebel.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 12 February 2021 05: 10
        0
        H3 is still online with freelancing for remote work - young people also sit on this a lot.
      2. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 12 February 2021 10: 08
        +1
        get drunk - a blow to the liver
        to rebel - a blow to the liver
        leave - not everyone can do this, and not everyone can get a job over the hill
        1. Aag
          Aag 15 February 2021 19: 29
          0
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          get drunk - a blow to the liver
          to rebel - a blow to the liver
          leave - not everyone can do this, and not everyone can get a job over the hill

          Hmmm, our internal organs are not protected ...
          I'm talking about the liver.))
    6. Ros 56
      Ros 56 12 February 2021 07: 11
      0
      Well, maybe you will deal with your pension, and the rest? Either they spend on drink or lose, there are few lessons from financial pyramids for you, and still many are trying to win in a scam. Now fashion has gone into investment, then they will again yell - Putin help.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 11 February 2021 18: 57
    +13
    A decent pension is when looking back does not hurt you excruciatingly for the years spent aimlessly. Wasted hell knows what. On stupid attempts to survive. And when it’s not scary to die, knowing that you are leaving your grandchildren with a great country with a prosperous people .. And that the ancestors, when you appear before them, will not ask you - what have you, bastard, done with our heritage, for which we worked hard and died?
    1. Aag
      Aag 15 February 2021 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      A decent pension is when looking back does not hurt you excruciatingly for the years spent aimlessly. Wasted hell knows what. On stupid attempts to survive. And when it’s not scary to die, knowing that you are leaving your grandchildren with a great country with a prosperous people .. And that the ancestors, when you appear before them, will not ask you - what have you, bastard, done with our heritage, for which we worked hard and died?

      So I think, the ancestors - that they are older, they will still ask for the bourgeois we have fed ... (((
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 February 2021 19: 12
    +16
    Every year we receive a pension for a certain amount, but this year they take a large amount in the form of utilities, prices in stores. Recently I watched a program where it was said about how they are fined for keeping chickens in the country. I remember in the 70s our neighbors kept not only chickens, but also cows, and we bought milk and eggs. Soon they will charge a fine for picking the nose. And all this is done with a serious air, for the sake of the native state, and the state is first of all people, our people.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 43
      +24
      Quote: nikvic46
      And the state is primarily people, our people.

      You're not right! Idealists think so! And what does the GDP think? - "The State is Me!" But he and his servants live and rule on our taxes, although gifts from friends in the form of castles and palaces are encouraged laughing
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 12 February 2021 02: 52
        +2
        All these "passengers" sit on the neck of the people. Only some steal "to the pocket", others already "out of".
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 12 February 2021 05: 12
      0
      In connection with covid, they can also be obliged to wear and pay for exhalation using a gas mask with an inhaled counter (absolutely safe nothing).))))
  • Suslin
    Suslin 11 February 2021 19: 32
    +13
    In the USSR, pensions accounted for 70% of the average salary over the past 5 years. Now about 45% of the average wage in the region. That's the whole story, and who understood well!
    1. dedusik
      dedusik 11 February 2021 20: 47
      +5
      Well, a little bit wrong:
      USSR Council of Ministers
      DECISION
      dated August 3, 1972 N 590 (as amended on 30.01.1988/XNUMX/XNUMX)
      ON THE APPROVAL OF THE REGULATIONS
      ON THE ORDER OF APPOINTMENT AND PAYMENT OF STATE PENSIONS
      ...
      From 50 to 60 rubles - 75% to earnings
      ...
      From 100 and above - 50% to earnings
      ...
      The minimum old-age pension is 50 rubles a month, for pensions paid at least 10 years - 55 rubles.
      The maximum old-age pension is 120 rubles per month
      ...
      20. When assigning old-age pensions, the following allowances are calculated:
      (as amended and supplemented by the Resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers of 07.01.1980/17/XNUMX N XNUMX)
      a) for continuous work experience (paragraph 116) over 15 years or for total work experience - for men who have worked for at least 35 years and women who have worked for at least 30 years - 10 percent of the pension.

      Therefore, I wrote above that the pension of 240 rubles, who served 25 years, was a very good pension, given that the 6th grade radio equipment regulator (time-attendant) in closed research institutes received about 200 rubles.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 11 February 2021 20: 57
        -10%
        Quote: dedusik
        a 6-grade radio equipment controller (time-attendant) in closed research institutes received about 200 rubles.

        A potential enemy of Soviet power was, this 6th grade traffic controller, cursed Soviet power for a monthly handout in the form of 200 rubles, and many did not have that either.
        And then they begin to lament why the power of the workers and peasants disappeared so easily.
        1. dedusik
          dedusik 11 February 2021 21: 03
          +5
          Don't judge people by yourself, something I didn't curse anyone then wassat
          Well, the same traffic controller, but at enterprises with piecework conditions, received about 260-280 rubles, but he worked on Saturdays.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 11 February 2021 21: 08
            -7
            Quote: dedusik
            received about 260-280 rubles, but he worked on Saturdays.

            And, on weekends, it means hunched over, it turns out, for little money.
            In those times, the times of developed socialism, all categories of citizens drank drunkenly, everyone had enough for vodka.
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 11 February 2021 21: 35
            +1
            Quote: dedusik
            Don't judge people by yourself, something I didn't curse anyone then wassat
            Well, the same traffic controller, but at enterprises with piecework conditions, received about 260-280 rubles, but he worked on Saturdays.

            After the army, with a college diploma, I received 230 rubles as a mechanic in a convoy. + the premium came out 270-320 rubles, this is already the late USSR, then he became the head of the supply department, this is a different alignment, to be honest, I don’t remember the salary at all, but it was not bad, and then the USSR did not become, and with it the auto plant ... I went into trade (products) where I work to this day.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 45
              +21
              Quote: lis-ik
              After the army, I received a diploma of a technical school as a mechanic

              I graduated from college 110 rubles - taxes - for childlessness and no bonuses request Survived
            2. Revolver
              Revolver 12 February 2021 04: 11
              0
              And I after the LPI them. Kalinin started out as an engineer on a salary of 115 rubles, and the awards were so ridiculous that I don't even remember the specific numbers. And an apartment separate from my parents did not shine for me at all, from the word "absolutely", if only to get married and go live with my mother-in-law.
      2. savage1976
        savage1976 12 February 2021 02: 22
        0
        Interestingly, the "maximum old-age pension is 120 rubles" is from the decree, but you have 200-240. Very straightforward to believe.
        1. dedusik
          dedusik 12 February 2021 10: 37
          0
          If this is for me, then I wrote about the pensions of military personnel, and not about civilian pensions, the post says hi .
      3. Aag
        Aag 15 February 2021 19: 54
        0
        Quote: dedusik
        Well, a little bit wrong:
        USSR Council of Ministers
        DECISION
        dated August 3, 1972 N 590 (as amended on 30.01.1988/XNUMX/XNUMX)
        ON THE APPROVAL OF THE REGULATIONS
        ON THE ORDER OF APPOINTMENT AND PAYMENT OF STATE PENSIONS
        ...
        From 50 to 60 rubles - 75% to earnings
        ...
        From 100 and above - 50% to earnings
        ...
        The minimum old-age pension is 50 rubles a month, for pensions paid at least 10 years - 55 rubles.
        The maximum old-age pension is 120 rubles per month
        ...
        20. When assigning old-age pensions, the following allowances are calculated:
        (as amended and supplemented by the Resolution of the USSR Council of Ministers of 07.01.1980/17/XNUMX N XNUMX)
        a) for continuous work experience (paragraph 116) over 15 years or for total work experience - for men who have worked for at least 35 years and women who have worked for at least 30 years - 10 percent of the pension.

        Therefore, I wrote above that the pension of 240 rubles, who served 25 years, was a very good pension, given that the 6th grade radio equipment regulator (time-attendant) in closed research institutes received about 200 rubles.

        Neighbor, a year after vocational school, 1983, regulator of radio equipment, at "RRR" (r / plant named after A. Popov) - well, obviously not the 6th grade ... - also about two hundred ...
  • bober1982
    bober1982 11 February 2021 20: 15
    -11%
    “But the wealth of others is more and more infuriating,” from the author's reasoning.
    It's bad, very bad to think that way.
    If you think this way, then it will not be easy - envy is a bad feeling and the consequences can be deplorable, up to lascivious thoughts and actions, yes - just like that, and not otherwise. And, even among pensioners and retirees.
    And, you should never save money for old age, it's stupid, the stroke will be enough at any moment, and your money cried.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 12: 22
      +1
      Quote: bober1982
      “But the wealth of others is more and more infuriating,” from the author's reasoning.

      It can’t come to you that the wealth of others does not bother us, otherwise than the way it appears. As for the rest, then:

      This infuriates you and grieves that this shop can be shut down, and speculation will again become a crime:
      ARTICLE 154. SPECULATION
      Speculation, that is buying and resale of goods or other items for profit-
      the applicable sentence is deprivation of liberty for a term of up to two years, with or without confiscation of property, or correctional labor for a term of up to one year, or a fine of up to three hundred rubles.
      Speculation in the form of fishing or in large sizes -
      the applicable sentence is deprivation of liberty for a term of two to seven years with confiscation of property.
      Petty speculation, perfect again, -
      shall be punished by correctional labor for a term of up to one year or a fine of up to two hundred rubles with the confiscation of speculation items.
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 11 February 2021 20: 39
    +8
    Quote: sergo1914

    I'll reveal a secret. The palace is being built for pensioners. When the construction is completed, all the country's pensioners will be gathered and settled there. They will teach you how to play hockey, they will develop a good habit of wines, aquadiskotheque again. The leaders think about us. They think. But don't push it out to the public. You need to understand.

    From a recent on the net, for the mood:
    - Children, in Russia, leaders most often had, in addition to their own surname, a pseudonym. For example, Lenin's real surname was Ulyanov, Stalin's was Dzhugashvili. And what about Putin?
    - Really Rotenberg? - Little Johnny was dumbfounded
  • maiman61
    maiman61 11 February 2021 20: 43
    +9
    I lived to see Putin's pension and God, why didn't I die before!
    1. dedusik
      dedusik 11 February 2021 21: 08
      +1
      I have been living on Yeltsin's pension and on Putin's pension for 23 years and so far nothing, alive tongue
      Yes, we will all be there, some earlier, some later, but ... better later.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 12 February 2021 04: 14
      0
      Quote: maiman61
      I lived to see Putin's pension and God, why didn't I die before!

      I understand that short-barrels are prohibited in the Russian Federation, but is it really not enough pensions even for a rope and a bar of soap?
      1. maiman61
        maiman61 12 February 2021 13: 06
        0
        Pension is enough for you to buy rope with the cheapest soap! I can also give you a stool for convenience. I'm very kind!
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 12 February 2021 19: 32
          0
          Why should I? I have a revolver, and I still have half the zinc left, but I’ll have to buy it again. And most importantly, I don't ask this question:
          Quote: maiman61
          Lord, why didn't I die before!
          1. maiman61
            maiman61 12 February 2021 21: 03
            0
            It seems to you. You can't escape fate. And the revolver won't help!
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 12 February 2021 21: 30
              0
              Quote: maiman61
              You cannot escape fate.
              Well, yes, of course, whoever is destined to be hanged will not drown. yes
              Quote: maiman61
              And the revolver won't help!

              Why, if you need to leave, the revolver is an excellent travel card "to the other side", and you don't have to fiddle with a rope, soap, and a stool. I also have a package of pain relievers. If instead of one pill at 4 o'clock, as the doctor prescribed, you swallow everything at once, and even wash it down with brandy, then leaving "to the other side" is also guaranteed, painlessly and with a high. In general, I don't need a rope, and I use soap only for its intended purpose in the bathroom. hi
              1. maiman61
                maiman61 13 February 2021 08: 37
                0
                Yes, I thought. Soap is already expensive excess. And without soap it will go, you have to be economical, soap costs money!
  • AB
    AB 11 February 2021 21: 04
    +2
    The author described everything in a strange way. I dumped absolutely everything in one heap. Resentment, anger, desire to have more money - this is all clear. But at the same time she herself writes that she is not in poverty and a million money in her life will not change anything. It's all strange ...
    1. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 11 February 2021 22: 00
      +3
      It's not strange. There is an apartment. the other is not required. Not enough for a house. there is a car, well, you can change to a newer inexpensive one. Not enough to buy a summer residence. It remains only to help the children or stupidly walk.
  • Artashes
    Artashes 11 February 2021 21: 36
    +4
    As long as the nation - if it is still a sober nation - will put up with various arbitrariness - so it will be. If it doesn't get worse.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 12 February 2021 04: 45
      -4
      Quote: Artashes
      As long as the nation

      Quote: Artashes
      sober nation

      Ukro-Bandera lexicon.
  • Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 11 February 2021 22: 19
    +5
    All parties. who are now sitting in the Duma got dirty in the adoption of anti-national laws All of them in the elections should be a ride. otherwise they will raise the retirement age to 80 years
    1. seacap
      seacap 11 February 2021 23: 31
      +5
      And what are all? All of them, who would not call themselves, feed from one "trough", live according to the laws of another country, written for themselves, completely unrelated and not dependent on the state of affairs in the regions they represent, they even do not really they know from whom they were elected, and this is not necessary for them, they are not responsible for anything and for anything, and voters do not influence them in any way, therefore they deeply do not care what is being done behind the notorious ring. This is one and the same "office" with different names of "departments" for imitation of mythical democracy, that it seems that we have all the attributes like everyone else, they said it should be, so they "got it" at home, and why and for what, and where To do with them, their friends, they've paid off, they won't work anyway, and they don't know how.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 12 February 2021 05: 17
        +2
        Equate the salary of deputies of the state dura to the average salary from the region in which he was elected. They won't want to.
        1. Aag
          Aag 15 February 2021 20: 17
          0
          Quote: evgen1221
          Equate the salary of deputies of the state dura to the average salary from the region in which he was elected. They won't want to.

          Similar ideas have already been voiced in relation to the heads of enterprises, if I am not mistaken, and to the Duma members ... It turned out the opposite.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 11 February 2021 22: 21
    +13
    There is still enough for medicine, but with transport it is worse - in Moscow the other day they pissed off to the limit due to the fact that for me nothing is free at all! Metro, bus, minibus ...
    Well, you are a conscientious citizen, you must understand that the mayor thus cares ... about the health of pensioners, saves the city budget lol , though I have other considerations in this regard, such as - I would not be surprised that in the spring, in Moscow, another campaign to replace borders is rapidly starting, and tiles on an even larger scale than in previous years, naturally whose companies will be executors? Everything is correct, it is him. sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 11 February 2021 22: 33
    +16
    Quote: Alena Frolovna
    // what do I think about “Putin's Palace //

    Don't be afraid to support Putin

    Almost 1933. In Germany. True, for completeness the picture is not enough ... torches, and the characteristic wave of the hands known to the whole world sad
  • Radikal
    Radikal 11 February 2021 22: 44
    +9
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Svarog
    And you are mysterious

    And then.
    Quote: Svarog
    What is even indecent to say whom you support?

    I definitely do not support United Russia, Communists and Navalnists. Something like this. request

    Really ... the State Department of State? belay lol
  • Alt 22
    Alt 22 11 February 2021 23: 06
    +6
    The wealth share of the richest 1%:
    Russia - 75%
    Germany - 32%
    Norway - 27%
    Canada - 26%
    France - 25%
    Japan - 19%
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 51
      +28
      Quote: Alt22
      The wealth share of the richest 1%:
      Russia - 75%
      Germany - 32%




      1. Revolver
        Revolver 12 February 2021 05: 25
        +2
        [quote = Silvestr

        [/ Quote]
        I will not say about Poland and Portugal, but in Honduras the official figure does not mean ANYTHING. There is no work there, and for those that happen, there are a lot of people who want to work hard without registration for less than the minimum. It is not in vain that they are bringing down the shaft through Mexico to America.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 13 February 2021 12: 35
      0
      Quote: Alt22
      The wealth share of the richest 1%:

      On pension reform from the disgraced Platoshkin:
  • seacap
    seacap 11 February 2021 23: 16
    +5
    // And after all, the very 50 thousand, about which I announced, having participated in the survey, are received by not so few pensioners as it might seem. Especially from among servicemen or from hazardous industries. //
    From among the servicemen, you got excited, complete and according to the Law on the status of military personnel only for military prosecutors, military tribunals, etc. The bulk of pensioners, incl. and veterans of the military, veterans of the b / d, our "caring" bureaucrats cynically subjected them to another humiliation, discrimination on a professional basis, exclusively for this category of civil servants, only our state is the only one in the world, a law was urgently adopted and a reduction coefficient 1,9 , 90 in the calculation of retirement benefits. Moreover, the militaries of the XNUMXs, who went through the whole hell of national conflicts, poverty and humiliation at the state level, remained faithful to duty and oath, preserved the traditions and security of the country, not thanks to, but in spite of, humiliated and spat upon once again by the modern nobility the fact that they were denied the recalculation of pensions in accordance with the current pay, i.e. they have a pension based on the pay of the last century, in fact, of the Soviet Army. Taking into account the fact that all benefits have been eliminated, and in the districts the pensions themselves are like Moscow surcharges, there is a different country and other laws.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 11 February 2021 23: 22
    +1
    Vote for Putin, and you will have paradise ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 12 February 2021 00: 52
      +24
      Quote: mag nit
      Vote for Putin, and you will have paradise ...

      laughing
  • Alien From
    Alien From 12 February 2021 00: 23
    +1
    This publication was not pleasant!
  • Igor Pa
    Igor Pa 12 February 2021 09: 28
    -1
    And sometimes there are reports that somewhere in Moscow or St. Petersburg attackers have stolen 3000000 from a pensioner. And you say ... wink
    1. Aag
      Aag 15 February 2021 20: 32
      0
      Quote: Igor Pa
      And sometimes there are reports that somewhere in Moscow or St. Petersburg attackers have stolen 3000000 from a pensioner. And you say ... wink

      It always amazed me ... I admit single, smaller-scale cases (well, there can be no pensioner who mastered such a pension such a sucker), the rest I refer to propaganda stuffing ...
    2. Arpad
      Arpad 17 February 2021 08: 12
      -1
      Quote: Igor Pa
      And sometimes there are reports that somewhere in Moscow or St. Petersburg attackers have stolen 3000000 from a pensioner. And you say ... wink

      You were not told who the pensioner is, look at all the officials - so their mothers and children, their wives - all of them for some reason are millionaires - maybe it was a mother - a retired cleaning lady Sechin
  • yehat2
    yehat2 12 February 2021 09: 47
    +5
    everyone in power should be ashamed of the position of pensioners in the country every day.
    there is a small caste of pensioners who are doing well - former deputies, military pensions and a number of other accomplices of the oligarchy, there are subsidies to the MSC from the state budget, among other things.
    But the rest have a minimum wage.
    And the minimum wage is almost the level of Auschwitz for food, because retirees pay half of their pension for communal services and other mandatory payments.
    1. seacap
      seacap 12 February 2021 12: 00
      +2
      To clarify, the pensions of the military, in particular of the 90s, are the most average, and often even below average. this category of civil servants is the only one in the world and only in our country subjected to discrimination on the basis of professionalism, the introduction of a reduction coefficient of 1,9 when calculating a pension, and the calculation is based on the pay in / from the last century of the Soviet Army, in violation of all conceivable laws, recalculation of the size there were no pensions based on the actual pay. And if we also take into account that the destruction of the Armed Forces took place, many people were dismissed on redundancies and other articles with a minimum length of service, then a huge number of people have a minimum pension of 12-17 tr. , among the people from Soviet times, that the military, "having banished Balda" for 25 years and doing nothing, also receive exorbitant pensions. In our "social" and "caring" state, "waste material", whatever the merits, burden, waste and garbage, losses in the report, we now have one criterion for success - loot.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 12 February 2021 12: 12
        +3
        a concrete example - my boss retired by the age of 40 as a colonel with a pension of 35t.r.
        they have never been in a war or closer than 500 km to hostilities, he was engaged in the protection of a missile unit in Siberia.
        a simple lawyer who worked in the housing office. He was elected a deputy of the City Council for 1 term. pension 40 tr. at 35.
        my mom's pension is 11 tr. Work experience 42 years. She worked almost all her life as an engineer.
        the son of a janitor has never worked, a pension of 18 tr + a free apartment.
        is this what justice looks like?
        1. seacap
          seacap 12 February 2021 14: 35
          +2
          I have 17 with veterans and compensation for benefits, 21 calendar years with "landing" and 8 combat, oh, and "scalded", I don't know what to do, now we eat macaroni and start with "fat to rage." and the grease-coated whips, with difficulty explaining themselves in Russian, who are not able to formulate the question correctly, they turn up their noses in the frames, tb. the war "caught up".
          1. Aag
            Aag 15 February 2021 22: 43
            0
            Colleague, comrade-in-arms, - I have the same numbers. There are no airborne troops, from combat, - only on duty (Strategic Missile Forces), plus the entire service, remote (privileged) regions, plus disability for the period of military service (insurance, at that time about a million, I did not have time to issue, by the way, Medvedev, then being president on TV, announced that the period for obtaining disability should not affect the possibility of obtaining). Pension is about 21 sput.
            I wrote a couple of times on this topic (kidalova in / pence). Then it became uncomfortable in front of civilians ...
            On the other hand, what is inconvenient? It should be "inconvenient" for THEM that there are people like us, like those about whom yehat2 writes to you! Do not blame each other for this situation! (They play into their hands!)
            If it does not make it difficult, well, so as not to repeat itself, please read my comments above, below ...
            Summarizing your comment, - (I apologize to the members of the forum, I repeat), my colleague's son, senior pr-k, 32 years old last year, could retire at 31 tr. With the same length of service, in the same compound, with a disability, I get about 20 as a major!
            Is it worth asking the President a question? (I tried ...) Let's try together ... Or will Khodarenok be against it?
        2. Aag
          Aag 15 February 2021 20: 58
          +1
          Quote: yehat2
          a concrete example - my boss retired by the age of 40 as a colonel with a pension of 35t.r.
          they have never been in a war or closer than 500 km to hostilities, he was engaged in the protection of a missile unit in Siberia.
          a simple lawyer who worked in the housing office. He was elected a deputy of the City Council for 1 term. pension 40 tr. at 35.
          my mom's pension is 11 tr. Work experience 42 years. She worked almost all her life as an engineer.
          the son of a janitor has never worked, a pension of 18 tr + a free apartment.
          is this what justice looks like?

          I have similar examples in my close circle ...
          IMHO: pension reform - "trial balloon" - how much this resource (people) can be squeezed out, milked ...
          Or, even worse, the goal is to split the society! For pensioners (working / not working; military / civil / privileged ... etc.) and non-pensioners working (legally, officially / blindly) - you pay THEM!
          And it turns out. Under the current ideologues of CHV (man to man-wolf), young people whose parents have nothing to pay for the education of their offspring ... will simply begin to thin out the ranks of freeloaders.
          I'm not thickening, - remember the Irkutsk "hammerheads" ... (((
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 12 February 2021 11: 32
    +2
    "But now, for some reason, they no longer remember that in the early 90s, with the collapse of the USSR and Gaidar's shock, both coffin and children's money, invested by millions of Soviet citizens in the most reliable and unsinkable Savings Bank, simply burned out like a dummy"

    Well, yes, the deposits "burned out", the deputies and experts cannot calculate the amount of proper compensation in any way, but here is the catch that excludes the elementary fraud on the part of the authorities on the issue of compensation for Soviet deposits:
    1. The Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR, therefore, the Russian Federation is responsible for the obligations of the USSR not only to external creditors, but also to internal ones - its own citizens;
    2. The ruble of the USSR had a gold filling - it was written on each bill that it was provided with precious metals ...
    Therefore, each pre-reform contribution can be converted to a mass of gold at the then ruble exchange rate, after which this contribution can be issued in current rubles, based on the current exchange price of gold.
    And there is no need for any abstruse calculations of the "amount of just compensation."
    1. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 12 February 2021 14: 34
      +2
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      ... The ruble of the USSR had a gold filling - on each bill it was written that it was provided with precious metals ...

      Not every one. This was written on bills with a denomination of 10 rubles or more and they were called "Ticket of the State Bank of the USSR". The denominations of a smaller denomination were called "State Treasury Notes" and were provided "with all the property of the USSR."
      1. Ua3qhp
        Ua3qhp 12 February 2021 14: 56
        +1
        I'm sorry. On the state treasury ticket it was written "must be accepted throughout the USSR at face value." Not a word about security.
      2. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
        Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 14 February 2021 10: 44
        0
        Not every one. This was written on banknotes with a denomination of 10 rubles or more and they were called "Ticket of the State Bank of the USSR". Lower denominations were called "State Treasury Notes" and were provided "with all the property of the USSR"

        Okay, so be it, but it was on 10 rubles!
        Moreover, finding fault with the details, you do not deny the essence - the ruble had a gold content, which our authorities completely forgot when it came to compensation for pre-reform deposits!

        The resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On the transfer of the ruble to a gold base and on the increase in the ruble exchange rate against foreign currencies" from March 1, 1950, the gold content of the ruble was set at 0,222168 grams of pure gold. After the 1961 reform, the gold content of the ruble became 0,987412 g of gold.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 14 February 2021 03: 34
      0
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      The ruble of the USSR had a gold filling - it was written on each banknote that it was provided with precious metals ...

      It also said "must be accepted throughout the USSR in all payments for all institutions, enterprises and individuals at face value." Have you tried to buy rubles in "Berezka"? And bucks, Deutschmarks, Italian lira, and even Finnish marks were taken for a sweet soul. In the late perestroika years, they did not even ask where he took it.
    3. Aag
      Aag 15 February 2021 22: 02
      0
      [quote = Sergey Olegovich Abrosimov] "But now, for some reason, they no longer remember that in the early 90s, with the collapse of the USSR and Gaidar's shock, both coffin and children's money, invested by millions of Soviet citizens in the most reliable and unsinkable Savings Bank, simply burned out like a dummy"

      Well, yes, the deposits "burned out", the deputies and experts cannot calculate the amount of proper compensation in any way, but here is the catch that excludes the elementary fraud on the part of the authorities on the issue of compensation for Soviet deposits:
      1. The Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR, therefore, the Russian Federation is responsible for the obligations of the USSR not only to external creditors, but also to internal ones - its own citizens;
      2. The ruble of the USSR had a gold filling - it was written on each bill that it was provided with precious metals ...
      Therefore, each pre-reform contribution can be converted to a mass of gold at the then ruble exchange rate, after which this contribution can be issued in current rubles, based on the current exchange price of gold.
      And there is no need for any abstruse calculations of the "amount of fair compensation." Well, these are not rallies, not flashlights. Is the administration of the VO website ready to accept a collective appeal? Well, to understand if the feedback has been preserved.
      For an objective understanding of the issue: a couple of times I asked questions on a direct line with the President. I received an answer - your question was registered. ... Clarification calls began after the Direct Line. I confess, then I already hung up.
      I wrote on "selfish" questions in electronic form. Answers are always by mail, -official papers ... The essence of the appeals: 1) providing housing for a blind disabled person (mother-in-law), according to the law, in fact ... 2) improper performance of official duties by an employee The Ministry of Internal Affairs (in short, a certain peasant woman dies in a short period of time under murky circumstances, the third one is my relative). In all cases, there is only one investigator. A certificate from a pathologist does not match the case materials. From the administration, the answer is: Your request ... .in the case ... sent ... to the same investigator! Next ... to his boss ...
      The third one, the investigator ... was removed from office (it seems like a case has been initiated), the boss has suffered disciplinary action.
      Sorry for the lengthy match. hi all this to the fact that let's try so far without barricades, huh?
    4. Arpad
      Arpad 17 February 2021 08: 16
      -1
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      2. The ruble of the USSR had a gold filling - on each bill was writtenthat it is backed by precious metals ...

      the same many things are written on the fence
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 12 February 2021 12: 33
    +4
    In fact, it seems that money is being siphoned off the population on purpose.

    Banks simultaneously cut rates sharply, despite rising inflation and prices.
    Go, they say, and invest yourself, but without guarantees. But investments are also kept in banks, which take their toll ... There are almost no shares on hand ...

    Now they will be pumped out of the vlads, then they will start working on investment deposits ... Bah, we have already started. The tax has already been introduced ...
  • Shahno
    Shahno 12 February 2021 13: 47
    -2
    Quote: sergo1914
    Quote: Shahno
    // what do I think about “Putin's Palace //
    This moment is worthy of a separate topic ... Undoubtedly, everything is not so and not like that ... Well, for anyone, someone created a myth about the State Department. Well, they'll blame everything on Navalny and the State Department.


    I'll reveal a secret. The palace is being built for pensioners. When the construction is completed, all the country's pensioners will be gathered and settled there. They will teach you how to play hockey, they will develop a good habit of wines, aquadiskotheque again. The leaders think about us. They think. But don't push it out to the public. You need to understand.

    Her. I looked. Well, your irony counts. Well, something is wrong with you ..
    Ps. I do not advise being a dog on a leash. Express your opinion.
  • Glagol1
    Glagol1 13 February 2021 12: 08
    +2
    After raising the retirement age, pensions in Russia could actually be increased to 25 thousand, which, although only 270 euros at the exchange rate, is at least something. But! The Kremlin canceled all this. Moreover, a non-acidic 13% tax was introduced on personal pension savings (% on deposits) (in the United States, for example, it is 10%), and VAT was increased, a large-scale indexation of all public services was carried out, for example, 5 thousand rubles are now required for issuing an OZP. Etc. And all this in 3-4 years. And that's not all! Look, oil is $ 62, and the ruble to the dollar is 74. 62X74 = 4,6 thousand, but there were always 3,5 thousand, and there was enough for everyone. It is also a foreign exchange tax. Imported medicines, medicines, consumer goods at hellish prices. But Sechin and Rosneft are in chocolate. They are fattening. Well, our chief also uses spoons to fill up black caviar. Our unfortunate pensioners, they worked all their lives for a small salary, and in retirement they became beggars ...
  • amr
    amr 13 February 2021 15: 06
    0
    Quote: Hagen
    All Western pension systems are based on shared participation of both the state and the citizen from his own income. We don’t invest anything from our income in the Pension Fund (in the overwhelming majority). The bulk of our population, on the experience of two defaults, bases its distrust in the banking system.

    What does it mean that we don’t invest anything from our income ????
    and the enterprises and the employer pays both constantly and always, they simply put our contributions on the enterprises in order to fine and control it was easier !!!
    ... ish you don't pay !!!

    Russia has the heaviest tax burden!
    we do not pay to the pension fund - therefore small pensions - you have a wrong idea of ​​how our state works, hence the wrong conclusions about who is to blame and what to do!
  • acetophenon
    acetophenon 13 February 2021 17: 28
    0
    A worthy old age is when a worthy person has lived and lived, and has grown old ... what
    And everything else is details. They matter, but they do not decide.
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 17 February 2021 05: 41
    -1
    Stupid article! Each person and dependence on the region have their own concepts! And if a retired person is engaged in agriculture (a summer residence, for example), then saving on food! And who, in adulthood, is accustomed to living as it is, who is on a grand scale, who will have an impact during the retirement period! If a pensioner is a little sick, then less spending on medicines! AND
    comparing wealth with food is stupid! For an elderly person, Nada is a special, almost dietetic food! So the article is nothing! In what apartment or cottage do old people live? A neighbor lives in a three-room apartment alone! She buried her husband. And he is not going to pass it down. Friends old granny was the wife of a general! I haven't worked all my life! After the death of her husband, I worked a little as a wardrobe girl before retirement! I got used to restaurants, furs, resorts! Lives in a four-room apartment! She's not a lady to move to a one-room! Everybody has their own requests!
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 17 February 2021 07: 57
    0
    Quote: Ua3qhp
    The banknotes of a smaller face value were called "State Treasury Notes" and were provided with "all the property of the USSR"


    Pay attention to the wonderful, delicious, magical, fabulous wording: "provided with ALL commons"!!!
    This is immeasurably more than gold filling !!! This means that ALL PROPERTY of the USSR was pledged as collateral for the ruble !!! Everything, from the most seedy stall, to huge factories, secret design bureaus, military property, stocks of raw materials, goods in circulation, products in warehouses, strategic reserves, mineral resources, gold and foreign exchange values ​​and the diamond fund, and so on and so forth and so on ...
    This is incomparably more than it was plundered during privatization ...

    In this aspect, the Soviet ruble was supposed to be the hardest and most expensive currency in the world !!!

    However, in my previous post, I only pointed out the gold content. And in this sense, I continue to insist: the return of pre-reform deposits and interest on them, which have accumulated over all these decades, based on the gold provision of the Soviet ruble declared in the USSR, would allow to ensure the old age of a significant part of the population.
    True ... government officials and deputies would have to give up a significant part of their bonuses and privileges ...
    1. Arpad
      Arpad 17 February 2021 08: 10
      0
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      This is immeasurably more than gold filling !!! This means that ALL PROPERTY of the USSR was pledged as collateral for the ruble !!!

      all property has been transferred - when they say you have everything - as a rule, in the end you have nothing. For what could you change this ruble of the type provided for everyone? No matter what. not for gold. nor for property and even for foreign currency at the type of the official rate. This ruble, provided for everyone, even under Stalin and with all the other secretaries general, underwent reforms several times with robbery of the population, subscription to loans and the abolition of the money of the previous model. while the type of inflated dollar is accepted for payment regardless of the year of issue.
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      In this aspect, the Soviet ruble was supposed to be the hardest and most expensive currency in the world !!!

      there is an old joke about theoretically and practically
      Theoretically and practically
      The son runs up to his father and asks:
      - Dad, what is "Theoretically", and what is "Practically"?
      - Well, look, son, go to your mother, sister and grandfather and ask them if they will sleep with a black man for $ 1?
      The son comes up to his mother and asks:
      - Mom, will you sleep with a black man for $ 1?
      - Yes, but only for the sake of the family.
      The son approaches his sister and asks:
      - Sister, will you sleep with a black man for $ 1?
      - Yes, I will jump on it myself.
      The son comes up to his grandfather and asks:
      - Grandpa, will you sleep with a black man for $ 1?
      - Yes, for that kind of money.
      The son returns to his father and says:
      - Father, everyone answered "Yes"
      - Well, look sonny, theoretically you and I have $ 3, but in practice we have two prostitutes and an old p ... gay!


      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      proceeding from the gold provision of the Soviet ruble declared in the USSR, it would provide the old age of a significant part of the population.

      declared --- well people. laughing
      The USSR no longer exists, there was no provision - but everyone believes in fairy tales
      Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
      True ... government officials and deputies would have to give up a significant part of their bonuses and privileges.

      a person must provide for his old age during his youth - there is an old rule - youth is a means of ensuring old age.
      you need to work and think about old age, and not dream that an uncle will come and provide him to you, on the basis of the gold security of the ruble of the times of the USSR. fool