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The fiasco of the palace coup. How the "Berlin patient" tried to overthrow the Russian government

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The same "Putin's Palace". It is still under construction. Photo: mash / Youtube



German cinema


I would not like to repeat the words of the famous Russian propagandist Dmitry Kiselev, but the German film about "Putin's palace" is a real foreign sabotage.

The drama is masterfully filmed in bulk, stuffed with pseudo-documentary evidence and stereotyped judgments. Even the most superficial analysis of what is happening on the screen leaves no doubt about the theatricality of what is happening.


Source: cryptofeed.ru

The purpose of the film is very simple - as radically as possible to tarnish the image of Vladimir Putin and his entourage in the eyes of, first of all, young people. Why did foreign authors choose children and adolescents as their target audience?

First, adults, as expected, perceive the world around them more critically and are less radical in their judgments.

Secondly, young people have a heightened sense of justice, even if it fails in the perception of reality.

Thirdly, the young have nothing to lose. Most of them are not burdened with family, work, and sometimes even study.

And finally, fourthly, teenagers are a great tool for inciting hatred.

Several outright provocations, followed by the violent dispersal of the protesters, can become excellent trimmers for new, larger-scale demonstrations. Outraged parents, and just sympathizers, stand up for the children beaten by the security forces - an excellent scenario for the Russian Maidan-2021.

Only the strategists who feed Navalny's office did not take into account that young people who do not need their parents would take to the streets. More precisely, of course, is needed. But only in the format of an offspring buried in a smartphone, who does not ask anyone questions and does not attract unnecessary attention.

Also a very vicious offspring, whose hatred sometimes goes beyond all boundaries.

The post by Semyon Slepakov in his Instagram account, filled with disgusting curses from Navalny's fans for the author's completely harmless and witty rhyme, is very indicative. The true face of democratic protest in all its glory. Read it, you will not regret it - you will learn a lot about the morality of those who are ready to go to rallies under the impression of the German film and the arrest of Navalny.

The logic of the film "Putin's Palace" was built in full accordance with the outlook of the target audience. A lot of facts and visual balancing act, not particularly supported by evidence base.

For example, a conversation with an FSB officer on the phone explaining that Cape Idokopas must be bypassed by boat for two miles. The filmmakers did not bother to provide any, even the most primitive proof of the reality of the conversation with the secret service employee. At least they inserted a close-up of the moment of dialing the real number of the officer on duty of the FSB of Russia in the Krasnodar Territory. It's not difficult - the phone is publicly available. So at least they added a natural flair to the plot.

An important part of German cinema with Navalny is occupied by computer graphics of the interior decoration of the palace. She's really impressive. The thoughts immediately come to mind that this could only be done in the West. Unfortunately, even in the box office Russian cinema, special effects can be found much cheaper.

And again about Navalny's teenagers. Accustomed to consuming information mainly through ready-made images of YouTube, TikTok and Instagram (and not through reading complex texts), young people willingly turn off critical thinking and are thoroughly saturated with Western propaganda.

But all the same, the scriptwriters of "Putin's Palace" had some punctures.

And they deserve close scrutiny.

"Easter eggs" by Navalny


Small lies are known to breed great distrust.

With the implementation of this thesis at the German film studio Black Forest, which filmed the film for Navalny throughout December last year, everything turned out to be in order. They did not follow the Montenegrin eagle, which crouched at the entrance gate of the palace, although the original legend was about the two-headed eagle of the Russian Empire. They are really very similar, but on the chest of an eagle from Montenegro there is a leopard lion, and in the Russian original there is an image of George the Victorious.

This is not even outrageous. And the carelessness of Navalny's team.

How did it happen that the people who scraped out all the ins and outs of the corruption scheme of the higher echelons of the Russian government could not identify such an epic fake?

Or FBK activists have nothing to do with the script of the film? And did the Western special services do all the work for them?


On the left is the Russian coat of arms according to Navalny, on the right is the real one. Photo: vesti.ru screenshot

Navalny could not recognize in the script of his revealing film another Easter egg, kindly prepared by Western directors.

It's about a room or a storehouse of dirt, the presence of which in the "Putin's Palace" was so indignant at the main character of the story. It is not entirely clear why she is in such a fashionable building at all?

But it is very likely that this is a clumsy translation of the word mudroom - hallway. That is, the originally English-language text for the film was simply very unprofessionally translated into Russian. And they passed it off for the president's lordly manners.


There is also a library in the "Putin's Palace". Completely transported from the Strahov Monastery in Prague?
Photo: YouTube.com / strahovskyklaster.pano3d.cz

But all of the above is noticeable only to a trained eye, initially set to search for script failures.

But the episode at 58 minutes and 36 seconds of the film, even from the first viewing, is out of the general tone of the narrative.

Navalny shows a photo of the Philosophical Hall of the Strahov Library in Prague, passing it off as one of the many rooms in Putin's Palace. The building supposedly contains a multi-storey library hall with tens of thousands of books. Again, this is not a matter of rigging photographic evidence. And in the destroyed logic of German cinema.

Up to this point, according to the script, Navalny methodically and very cheaply dehumanized the image of Vladimir Putin, turning him into anyone, but not into a lover of intellectual leisure. For this, the legend was served by the notorious aquadiskotheque, a game room with machines, vineyards with a winery and a hookah bar.

And then suddenly a whole library filled to the brim with folios that one person cannot read in ten lives.

I just want to answer this already famous:

"Boring girls."


The inner courtyard of the palace, built by the "stolen". Source: «Medusa»

The plots of the Mash channel and Russia-1 channel, in which correspondents with television cameras were allowed inside the notorious “Putin's Palace”, became the nail in the coffin of the propaganda in bulk.

The building is, of course, completed. But the interior decoration is still at the zero level. More precisely, there is nothing there at all. Except for concrete ceilings, walls and floors. The cognitive dissonance that occurs thereafter is difficult to describe.

What then was Navalny filming if the palace was still at this stage of unfinished construction?

Where are the insanely expensive interiors with Italian furniture, which supposedly went to the welfare of the Russian people?

Even the satellite Google maps of Cape Idokopas confirm that the residence, even when viewed from above, is far from completion.

All this would be very funny if it were not very sad.

Sabotage was, is and will be


Fake история with Putin's "palace", which has gained more than 110 million views on YouTube, this, unfortunately, is not the only episode of purposeful sabotage.

With a certain degree of certainty, we can call last year's poisoning of Navalny itself a part of this large-scale plan to swing the situation in Russia. Almost to death a well-known oppositionist, in order to provoke a protest both inside the country and outside.

An excellent plan - one can only guess whether Navalny himself was initiated into it or not knowing whether he played the role of a sacred victim?

All possible media resources were connected to the operation to overthrow the state system in Russia by the hands of minors.

On TikTok, by January 23, thousands of unknown bloggers are entering the battle, urging users to “walk”. In just a few days, views of hashtags # bulk, # rallies, # palace Putin reach more than one billion.

YouTube, in general, intersperses views of harmless videos with very ambiguous content about the power dictatorship and rampant corruption in Russia. With video hosting, I must say, an interesting story happened. According to Igor Ashmanov, president of Kribrum, a company that monitors and analyzes social networks, YouTube boosted Putin's Palace additional millions of views.

And the Anti-Corruption Foundation itself has gone wild.

Navalny's press secretary, Kira Yarmysh, has published internal account statistics regarding "Putin's Palace." It turned out that even with 50 million, the total viewing time did not exceed 17,5 million hours. Not all users were able to master the entire film. On average, viewers spent only half an hour on a two-hour video.

Nevertheless, social networks have fulfilled their role. And they took to the streets of Russian cities ... 0,05% of the country's population!

And this is in the best variant of counting for the protesters. The efficiency is, frankly, not the most impressive.

But further sabotage and provocations will follow. Visualization technologies are actively developing, which, as we see from the German film, are used very well in the West.

In particular, the Deepfake technology, which allows you to create a digital copy of any person, make him speak from the screen and do whatever he wants, can be especially dangerous. What will the exalted teenagers say when they see Vladimir Putin on their smartphone screen, leaving the residence on Cape Idokopas? Is this the long-awaited proof?

The fiasco of Navalny's palace coup was partly a consequence of the technological imperfection of Western technology.

But time does not stand still.

And it is far from on our side.
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  1. aars
    aars 10 February 2021 11: 04
    +21
    Nothing is over, there will be a continuation, and more than one.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 February 2021 11: 09
      .
      Another "stop the thief" performed by thimblers. For everyone who watched the original video, the nonsense of the "guardians" is obvious (an eagle on the gate, like the Hermitage, the beginning of the fragment at 48:40).

      1. Cube123
        Cube123 10 February 2021 11: 27
        0
        Quote: lexus
        Another "stop the thief" performed by thimblers.

        And if you watch Navalny's videos, then only by ear, with your eyes closed. Then all the worthlessness of this person becomes audible. And you can't look with your eyes, because he uses black rhetoric. These constant flickering of the hands drive the viewer into a trance. This is akin to hypnosis, under which the viewer becomes completely controllable. Young people are especially susceptible. There is no life experience and psychological barriers are very weak.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 February 2021 11: 34
          .
          Not to look, but to condemn, it is, of course, easier. Nevertheless, there are things that cannot be washed off. About manipulation - it's just about the "zombie" and the pose of the "official" media.
          1. Cube123
            Cube123 10 February 2021 11: 36
            +7
            Quote: lexus
            Not to look, but to condemn, it is, of course, easier. Nevertheless, there are things that cannot be washed off. About manipulation - it's just about the "zombie" and the pose of the "official" media.

            Have you heard of NLP? The most persistent and those obey talented manipulators.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 10 February 2021 11: 46
              -9
              Stop watching / listening to "evening ..." and other "blessed bullshit", start thinking with your head, and everything will pass. The library photo, by the way, is also fake - there is no such thing in Navalny's investigation. The "deniers" have already outdone Goebbels.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 10 February 2021 12: 13
                +2
                Quote: lexus
                bullshit
                This is your profession. The deniers of the deniers of Goebbels have not outdone: you are his mediocre students.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 10 February 2021 12: 43
                  +25
                  Quote: sniperino
                  The deniers of the deniers of Goebbels did not outdid

                  Can't catch you laughing


                  How are the May decrees doing? Where is the implementation of the 2020 program?
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 10 February 2021 13: 50
                    +3
                    Quote: Silvestr

                    How are the May decrees doing? Where is the implementation of the 2020 program?

                    It is useless for Zaputins to ask questions, especially if they require memory, logic, and common sense.
                    1. Dwellernet
                      Dwellernet 10 February 2021 14: 08
                      +6
                      I would also ask: "Let someone tell you what achievements have taken place in our country, let's say, over the last 5 years, under the strict guidance of Vladimir Putin." I, besides, "Do not let go" and "Punish", I can not remember anything else.
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus 10 February 2021 14: 19
                        +1
                        Progress? There are continuous "breakthroughs", however, not where planned.
                      2. Dwellernet
                        Dwellernet 10 February 2021 14: 25
                        0
                        I'm serious. I'm really trying to remember something good from the last 5-10 years and nothing. Nothing at all, complete zero !!! Except for palaces and yachts.
                      3. Lexus
                        Lexus 10 February 2021 14: 41
                        -8
                        Quote: DwellerNet
                        Nothing at all, complete zero !!!

                        It is not surprising - the results of "attempts" and "hollow" on the stumps are the same.
                      4. Svarog
                        Svarog 10 February 2021 14: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: DwellerNet
                        I'm serious. I'm really trying to remember something good from the last 5-10 years and nothing. Nothing at all, complete zero !!! Except for palaces and yachts.

                        That would be more sensible people .. who do not react to dust, but to facts .. He had achievements in the first term. There was no further. He began beautifully, but with each new term he led an increasingly anti-popular policy.
                      5. Dwellernet
                        Dwellernet 10 February 2021 14: 58
                        -3
                        And what were the achievements in the first term? I don’t remember anything other than ending the war in Chechnya. Yes, I put things in order after Yeltsin. But he put things in order only in order to calmly build his own vertical of power, and not for the development of the country.
                      6. Svarog
                        Svarog 10 February 2021 15: 00
                        -2
                        Quote: DwellerNet
                        Yes, I put things in order after Yeltsin.

                        These were the achievements. With Chechnya, the achievement is dubious ... although then it seemed also an achievement.
                        But he put things in order only in order to calmly build his own vertical of power, and not for the development of the country.

                        Unfortunately, I began to guess about it only when he put Dimona in his place. hi
                    2. Dwellernet
                      Dwellernet 10 February 2021 15: 13
                      +4
                      I'll tell you more. In the 90s, my mother, with a group of initiative comrades, opened a rehabilitation center for disabled children. For these purposes, an old kindergarten was allocated, funding came from the federal budget. Special programs and simulators for rehabilitation came from Europe free of charge. There were even simulators for the rehabilitation of astronauts, after prolonged exposure to zero gravity, naturally written off. Speech therapists, physiotherapy specialists, teachers, massage therapists, etc. worked there.
                      All of this was destroyed about 10 years ago.
                  2. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: DwellerNet
                    Nothing at all, complete zero !!

                    You are very wrong. There is a result, but it is with a minus sign. The age has been raised, VAT is also raised, the population minus, prices are growing faster than official inflation.
                  3. clerk
                    clerk 11 February 2021 18: 14
                    +2
                    Have you raised your 5 children with whom?
                  4. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 11 February 2021 19: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: clerk
                    Have you raised your 5 children with whom?

                    Do you know what the birth rate was under the tsar?
                  5. clerk
                    clerk 11 February 2021 20: 32
                    +3
                    Yes. 47/1000. With a mortality rate of 30/1000. Does it have anything to do with the discussion?
                  6. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 11 February 2021 21: 28
                    0
                    Quote: clerk
                    Does it have anything to do with the discussion?

                    Such that under the king more than 5 children were born, but this does not mean that the king contributed to this. wink
                    PS It is pleasant to communicate with an intelligent opponent (although the defense of destructive power does not do you credit). Recently, I counted as many as three consecutive zaputintsy capable of building a logical chain (albeit dodging aside in inconvenient topics) Have you brought up heavy artillery in the troll chat? wassat
                  7. clerk
                    clerk 11 February 2021 22: 43
                    +6
                    1) Well then, complete the logical chain that at the present time the birth rate does not depend on the standard of living and admit that demographic claims to the current government are a gross falsification. 2) it is nice to see that the elementary logic and relatively common sense of a casual passer-by makes the extras of the commune-liberda either beat hysterically or run away, minus them on the sly. Very few (like you) are capable of adequate discussion. hi
                  8. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 12 February 2021 07: 45
                    0
                    Quote: clerk
                    that demographic claims to the current government are a gross manipulation.

                    It is immediately obvious that you have not read the Ost plan. It contains a set of measures leading to a decrease in the birth rate with a low standard of living.
                    So it doesn't smell like fraud here. The government declaratively supports the birth rate, no more. The real steps only appeared last year, when the extinction became too visible. But this year, social spending in the budget was cut, and again they sang a song about the need for migrants.
                    Quote: clerk
                    the relatively common sense of a casual passer-by makes the communal-liberda extras

                    I don’t understand, did you christen me or yourself as a casual passer-by? belay And the communists were mixed with liberda in vain, liberda is in power. And Navalny is a representative of another liberda clan.
                    Now the country will be saved only by the change of the system, and the communists are the only ones who offer it. And I, a man of monarchical views, support them, because they are the only force capable of resetting. hi
                  9. clerk
                    clerk 12 February 2021 08: 32
                    +3
                    1) Don't worry - yourself. I am so amused: wink 2) 2) The current non-systemic commies on ideas are even worse than liberda. 3) That is why you arouse my interest - how can an adequate and reasonable person support obvious delirium, the implementation of which will finish off the country.
                  10. clerk
                    clerk 12 February 2021 08: 34
                    +3
                    Have they already implemented the Ost Plan in Western Europe and Japan? The worst of all is in Catholic Italy and Japan
                  11. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 12 February 2021 09: 06
                    -2
                    Quote: clerk
                    Have they already implemented the Ost Plan in Western Europe and Japan?

                    And the communists do not see this point-blank.
              2. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 12 February 2021 21: 36
                +1
                Yes, the film's American-German-Navalnensky is a shitty rude thing. Although what am I talking about? After all, a third of the local public proves that no, the true truth, and a third pretended that this is nonsense and ardently discusses the perniciousness of the country's leadership of the alleged owner of the palace ... As always and in almost every topic lol
            2. nemez
              nemez 12 February 2021 09: 19
              0
              You Ingvar live in a country where the mortality rate is already much higher than the Russian one, but you are skillfully lying.
  2. Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 07
    +1
    It's good in what direction science medicine defense nuclear industry and so on, so much has been done there in 10 years - "In addition to palaces and yachts" Do you consider private life or the country as a whole?
  3. Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 33
    -5
    Quote: Vadim237
    It's good in which direction science medicine defense nuclear industry, etc., so a lot of things have been done there in 10 years

    So not communists, that's the trouble.
  4. clerk
    clerk 11 February 2021 18: 13
    0
    State your criterion for "good" and you will be given a clear answer.
  5. Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 10 February 2021 15: 22
    +8
    There are figures here who shout that everything is developing and growing ... go to other articles ... they are downright obsessed with Soloviev's vile propaganda ... I can somehow understand them if they are paid for it. Well, if of their own free will, then their deeds are completely sad)
  6. Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 10
    +4
    Those who do not do anything and are not interested will always be bad - whining will not help matters.
  7. Cube123
    Cube123 12 February 2021 08: 08
    +1
    Quote: Yaroslavsky
    Well, if of their own free will, then their deeds are completely sad)

    Here's a splendid psychological analysis.

    It is called "Criticism Syndrome"
    https://www.b17.ru/article/287277/

    "And remember: criticism destroys, and praise inspires and elevates!"
  8. Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 12 February 2021 09: 59
    -1
    Whom should I, if you please, praise?) Those who have been robbing my Motherland for 30 years in a row? Those who are engaged in personal enrichment and the people consider it to be oil?) Would you like to praise these people?)
  9. Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 15: 45
    -1
    Quote: DwellerNet
    I would also ask: "Let someone tell you what achievements have happened in our country, let's say, over the last 5 years.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/
  10. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 16
    +10
    Quote: Dart2027
    https://sdelanounas.ru/

    Needless to say, they have already been caught making a presentation at a Russian pharmaceutical plant, which turned out to be a branch of an American company. laughing
  11. Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 18: 01
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    It is not worth referring to this, they have already been caught making presentations by a Russian pharmaceutical plant, which

    That is, all the other facts are confirmed? And what kind of plant is this, in more detail?
  12. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 18: 20
    +6
    Caught in a lie shouldn't believe the rest. And the achievements of nano, compared with dozens of destroyed factories.
    Abbott plant.
  13. Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 28
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Abbott plant.

    Is that something
    A new line was launched at the Veropharm plant in the Vladimir region
    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/125388/

    So there is nothing to hide
    Veropharm is one of the leading Russian manufacturers of pharmaceuticals and medical products. The company specializes in the production of affordable high-quality drugs in such areas of medicine as oncology, women's health, gastroenterology, infectious diseases, dermatology and neurology, as well as the production of medical plasters. In 2014, Veropharm entered the structure of the American company Abbott.

    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Caught in a lie shouldn't believe the rest.

    You shouldn't be trusted.
  14. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 21: 04
    +3
    Quote: Dart2027
    You shouldn't be trusted.

    Of course, Ave Putin! good
    Quote: Dart2027
    In 2014, Veropharm entered the structure of the American company Abbott.

    You can explain to your wife that you are entering your ...... enterprise into the ...... structure of another ...... company? bully
  15. Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 22: 54
    -6
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Of course, Ave Putin!

    Ave.
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    You can explain to your wife

    Are you having problems with your wife? Well, I don’t think that I or Putin have anything to do with this.
    However, you lied again when you accused the site "Made by Us" of deception. It is a fact.
  16. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 11 February 2021 08: 24
    +5
    Quote: Dart2027
    Are you having problems with your wife?

    No, my wife is 16 years younger, and I'm still doing it! bully It's just that examples on a personal, everyday level reach faster. By the way, you never answered.
    Quote: Dart2027
    However, you lied again when you accused the site "Made by Us" of deception. It is a fact.

    Have you turned black to white again?
  17. Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 08: 42
    -5
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    No, my wife is 16 years younger, and I'm still doing it! bully Simple examples

    Talk about your hidden problems and complexes.
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Have you turned black to white again?

    That is, they lied, but the lies were revealed.
  18. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 11 February 2021 10: 05
    +3
    Quote: Dart2027
    Talk about your hidden problems and complexes.
    Yes, yes, of course! I'm all troubled and notorious! wassat
    Again, you ignore the essence of the question. Like all zaputins.
    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, they lied, but the lies were revealed.

    You and your site are lying, calling a branch of an American company a Russian enterprise.
  19. Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 10: 46
    -1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Again, you ignore the essence of the question.

    The fact that you fell for lies is not a question, but a fact.
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    You are lying, and your site, calling

    Where is he lying? Everything is said honestly and openly, but you are lying.
  20. clerk
    clerk 11 February 2021 18: 17
    -1
    Name a politician who has never been caught lying.
  21. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 11 February 2021 21: 07
    +3
    And our Caesar was once caught on a lie? One single time?
  22. clerk
    clerk 11 February 2021 22: 52
    -2
    Within one presidential term? Examples in the studio.
  23. Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 12 February 2021 18: 12
    +3
    Oh, does it mean that one giant lie does not count in one term? Enough for you, Eugene. Tea, you don't live on Mars.
  24. clerk
    clerk 12 February 2021 18: 47
    -1
    Examples in the studio!
  25. Prax1
    Prax1 11 February 2021 22: 47
    -1
    Bulk for example!
  26. clerk
    clerk 11 February 2021 22: 50
    -2
    Yes, the Lord is with you - his film about "Putin's palace" is almost a complete lie
  27. fomin
    fomin 14 February 2021 14: 05
    0
    Prove that it's a lie! Say that there is no palace, there are no oligarchs, there is no sale for the mound of national treasure, from the profits of the people only advertising "Gazprom is a national treasure!" And where is all the money, who has it? Tell me poor!
  28. clerk
    clerk 14 February 2021 14: 24
    0
    I'll tell you well, but a little later. Before a story that is more understandable to you, you first need to find out your education - what you are able to understand and assimilate. Tell the people - have you finished 7th grade or not yet?
  29. Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 12
    -2
    The equipment works for the Russian market, the equipment is delivered to Russia by the Russian specialists themselves - so what is the complaint about the branches around the world are working and nothing.
  30. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 18: 38
    +4
    Vadim, would you agree to live with your wife if she worked part-time on the panel? And what, after all, she will bring money home!
    I am not trying to offend you or your wife, this is just an example.
    But for me it is offensive when someone tries to present branches and screwdriver production as the norm in a country that was the first in the world in terms of scientific and technological progress.
  31. Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 30
    -5
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    But for me it is offensive when someone tries to present branches and screwdriver production as the norm in a country that was the first in the world in terms of scientific and technological progress.

    Truth? I remember how in this country they looked at products made in the same USA. Any success of "this country" infuriates you.
  32. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 21: 06
    +9
    Quote: Dart2027
    I remember how in this country they looked at products made in the same USA

    I do not deny that we were bought in the late 80s for candy wrappers. Now we have seen the light. And you have received your sight, but for some reason urge you to close your eyes again.
  33. Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 22: 56
    -9
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    I do not deny that we were bought in the late 80s for candy wrappers.

    Truth? But I remember with what eyes in the USSR they looked at computers made there. Do you understand the role of computerization? And much more was not candy wrappers.
  34. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 10 February 2021 21: 44
    +8
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Vadim, would you agree to live with your wife if she worked part-time on the panel? And what, after all, she will bring money home!
    I am not trying to offend you or your wife, this is just an example.
    But for me it is offensive when someone tries to present branches and screwdriver production as the norm in a country that was the first in the world in terms of scientific and technological progress.

    Communist China has dragged a fucking bunch of manufacturing facilities from the US into its territory and is not steaming. Moreover, in the event of the arrest of the Chinese babos, these assets will become worthy compensation, which allows the Chinese communists to quite calmly hold the American horse by the bridle. with the move of production to Chinese territory, they became mutually dependent.
  35. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 21: 58
    +8
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    their dependence was mutual.

    Oh yes, I don’t argue. But in our case, the situation is completely different. For China, opposite the official production, was building the same plant, but with a different name, and with state support. And now they have a full production cycle, while we still have the same banal screwdriver. request
  36. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 10 February 2021 22: 09
    +5
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    their dependence was mutual.

    Oh yes, I don’t argue. But in our case, the situation is completely different. For China, opposite the official production, was building the same plant, but with a different name, and with state support. And now they have a full production cycle, while we still have the same banal screwdriver. request

    Reasonably. yes However, it should be noted that until a certain moment our liberota was not soared by the development of its industrial potential, because it hoped that a "friendly" foreign country would sell us everything that we need ", and if we build something, then through a foreign investor. When the moment of the "sanction fig" came, the realization came that many more than a little bit lacked their industrial potential, and the investor, frightened by the punishment for ignoring the "sanction fig", was in no hurry to invest, had to get involved in the work and that Then import substitution. ”A quarter of a century was lost in order to understand that“ abroad will not help. ”China initially went the other way, and the right one.
  37. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 11 February 2021 02: 14
    +8
    China did not have its own production, only human resources, and therefore dragged the production. In the USSR, there was a huge production base that was safely "taken away." And today we are proud that we are building pharmaceutical factories (American). This is a dubious achievement.
  38. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 11 February 2021 00: 21
    -3
    The arguments are over - let's go insults? It is insults. Is your daughter (son) on the panel okay? And in your words - I am not trying to offend either you or your children, this is just an example. Well, you are under ...
  39. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 11 February 2021 08: 18
    +9
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    The arguments are over - let's go insults

    Everywhere the clause "if only". Nobody directly insults a person.
    Unlike some zaputintsy, who directly insulted my family.
    And yes, in life there is such a possibility that the daughter will be in such a position, but this probability of this is negligible.
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    Well, you are under ...

    And you are blind.
  40. Vadim237
    Vadim237 11 February 2021 16: 45
    -5
    Vadim, would you agree to live with your wife if she worked part-time on the panel? This is generally why, we are not talking about a woman about a factory. "But for me it is insulting when someone tries to present branches and screwdriver production as the norm in a country that was the first in the world in terms of scientific and technological progress." The market is free on it, one state does not steer investors what they want and will build and cooperate with those countries in these areas the plant works in Russia the products are sold in Russia are exported on it they work and they deduct taxes to the budget and yes purely screwdriver production with foreign participation in Russia is not.
    "Was the first in the world in scientific and technological progress" - Probably only in a parallel universe, even normal ceramic crowns could not be made in the civil sector, the USSR had almost no progressive scientific developments - high-precision machine tools and machining centers were purchased in the west.
  41. clerk
    clerk 11 February 2021 18: 39
    -2
    Your problem is that you do not want to admit that after the flourishing of Soviet science and technology in the 50s and 70s, there were stagnant 80s in Soviet science, catastrophic 90s and no 200s. And strive to compare current modest successes not with yesterday, but with the heyday of half a century ago. What is nonsense. It's like blaming a former athlete who came out of a coma yesterday that he cannot immediately repeat the records of his youth.
  42. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 11 February 2021 19: 10
    +4
    Quote: clerk
    It's like blaming a former athlete who came out of a coma yesterday that he cannot immediately repeat the records of his youth.

    And how many more years must pass? 20 has already passed. Don't you think that the patient is being deliberately kept in this state? After all, Stalin proved that a breakthrough is possible in a shorter time frame. Like Japan and Germany after the war, Singapore, China. Not? How many years do you need?
  43. clerk
    clerk 11 February 2021 19: 27
    -4
    Again you are comparing the incomparable. The IVS had cheap labor and a coercive apparatus. Germany has just reached its pre-war power. Japan has been stagnating for 40 years now and there is no way to see China started its journey half a century ago. .And how many years? Give the State 20 years of peace (!), Internal (!!) and external (!!!), and you will not recognize the current Russia. "(C) Compare 2000 and 2020 for any indicator.
  44. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 11 February 2021 20: 05
    +3
    Quote: clerk
    Give the State 20 years of peace (!), Internal (!!) and external (!!!), and you will not recognize the current Russia. "

    Logically, there should be slow growth, for which you are asking for time. In fact, regression, and it primarily concerns the social segment of people's lives.
    Quote: clerk
    ) Compare 2000 and 2020 for any indicator

    At the price of oil? By the number of beds per capita? By the retirement age bar?
  45. clerk
    clerk 11 February 2021 20: 30
    -2
    In terms of fertility, life expectancy, GDP in PPP per capita (as a percentage of the same Germany), in terms of the average wage in dollars, even without PPP. By the way, you can also on the price of oil, taking into account the inflation of the dollar for 20 years.
  46. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 11 February 2021 21: 21
    +3
    Quote: clerk
    By birth rate

    Lying. Since 2000, the population of Russia has not increased, despite the fact that Russian citizenship was handed out to everyone.
    Life expectancy must be compared in the dynamics of growth, and in comparison with the dynamics in developed countries.
    There is no need for oil at all - just look at the graphs of oil prices from 91g, and the reason for all Putin's "achievements" becomes immediately clear. laughing
  47. Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 21: 59
    -3
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    and in comparison with the dynamics in developed countries

    The Ministry of Health said that the average life expectancy in the Russian Federation reached a historical maximum in 2019 - 73,4 years.
    The best indicator of life expectancy in the RSFSR was recorded in 1986-1987, when it first passed the mark of 70 years (70,13 years).
    https://tass.ru/info/8297145
  48. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 12 February 2021 07: 48
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    The Ministry of Health said that the average life expectancy in the Russian Federation reached a historical maximum in 2019 - 73,4 years.

    You'd better compare it with the times of Catherine! lol
    I'm talking about population growth.
  49. clerk
    clerk 12 February 2021 08: 23
    -2
    Reducing the rate of decline is also an achievement.
  50. Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 February 2021 09: 09
    -3
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    You'd better compare it with the times of Catherine!

    That is, the fact that now life expectancy is longer than in the USSR cannot be disputed.
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    I'm talking about population growth.

    Quote: clerk
    Birth / death rate per 1000: in 2000 - 8,7 / 15,3; in 2019 - 12,8 / 13,0. At the same time, the 47% increase in the birth rate cannot be attributed to Muslims alone.
  51. clerk
    clerk 11 February 2021 22: 28
    -1
    1) Birth / death rate per 1000: in 2000 - 8,7 / 15,3; in 2019 - 12,8 / 13,0. At the same time, the 47% increase in the birth rate cannot be attributed to Muslims alone. 2) Choose a country - I will give the data in comparison with Russia. 3) calculate the current oil price in 1991 prices
  52. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 12 February 2021 07: 54
    +2
    Have you been to Russian schools for a long time? The heads of my children's classmates darken every year. And yet the population is still decreasing.
    For oil - compare the average oil price with 2000, and 20 years earlier.
  53. clerk
    clerk 12 February 2021 08: 21
    -2
    1) I understand what you are talking about, but the question arises - why the economic conditions in Russia do not affect the reproduction of "dark-headed"? 2) Compare. Adjusted for inflation over 20 years. Better to take the average for each year.
  54. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 12 February 2021 08: 26
    +3
    Quote: clerk
    why economic conditions in Russia do not affect the reproduction of "dark-headed

    The mentality is not yet formatted. But it will change, believe me. 20-30 years will deform them too.
    The USSR produced everything by itself, oil revenues came as a bonus, and not the main source of income. We will not discuss the reasons for the collapse in relation to oil, it has been chewed many times.
  55. clerk
    clerk 12 February 2021 08: 58
    -2
    ... The mentality is not yet formatted. But it will change, believe me. 20-30 years will deform them too.
    ... Exactly! But do you agree that if they got to Germany or Finland, their mentality in terms of demographics would change as well, despite the difference in living standards with Russia?
  56. Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 February 2021 09: 10
    -3
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The mentality is not yet formatted. But it will change, believe me. 20-30 years will deform them too.

    That is, it was the USSR that formatted the Russians?
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    USSR produced everything by itself

    The question is quality.
  57. KOMBAT KOMISSAR
    KOMBAT KOMISSAR 11 February 2021 11: 20
    -3
    So what? Do Americans work there? Are taxes deducted in the USA? Have you heard anything about investments and a positive investment climate?
  58. Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 13: 11
    -3
    Quote: KOMBAT KOMISSAR
    So what?

    A reason to shout that everything is gone.
  59. gjkrjdybr50
    gjkrjdybr50 13 February 2021 13: 20
    0
    You, dear Ingvar, would learn to use a text editor before being clever all over the country. ",,, presentation ...".
  60. KOMBAT KOMISSAR
    KOMBAT KOMISSAR 11 February 2021 11: 00
    -3
    It feels like a bunch of shit-gunners who scream that everything is bad live in sewer wells closed with cast-iron hatches. They do not see anything positive from their abodes. Correctly, they look at the site "MADE WITH US" - it's all the same as looking at the devil, at least they will go blind, maximum will burn out. I have been living in the Kaliningrad region since 1974, over the past 20 years there have been so many positive changes here that there have not been any during the entire Soviet regime. You just need to see the positive, and these wretched inhabitants of the dungeons get out of their wells and take off their dark glasses. (It feels like they are writing nasty things from an unfinished 404)
  61. Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 13: 13
    -5
    Quote: KOMBAT KOMISSAR
    (It feels like nasty things are written from unfinished 404

    There are some. As for the communists, even if Putin or someone else literally builds heaven on earth, they will still scream that everything is bad, because the main thing is the Idea, and the country and the people do not care.
  62. Lexus
    Lexus 11 February 2021 20: 02
    +3
    Be rude, kid. You and in front of you no one dares to - in their own "fragrant".
  63. fomin
    fomin 14 February 2021 14: 08
    0
    Since the times of the USSR, Westerners have been feeding you at the expense of the internal regions, only "how many wolves you feed, he looks into the forest" (this is about the Balts) if your Kaliningrad lives well, this does not mean that the rest of the country's population also lives well.
  64. mavrus
    mavrus 11 February 2021 23: 14
    -1
    They did not allow bulk and other Judas to destroy the country, this is already an achievement, and given how much resources Fashington and his hangers-on are investing in this, this is a very good achievement.
  65. krops777
    krops777 11 February 2021 07: 54
    -4
    I would also ask: "Let someone tell you what achievements have taken place in our country, let's say, over the last 5 years, under the strict guidance of Vladimir Putin."


    Look less negative from Provalnoye like him. Visit the Time Forward YouTube channel to help you. How many articles about modern weapons in Russia are also not an indicator for VO? Well, as an example, in 2020, agricultural equipment worth 16 billion was exported abroad. dollars more than defense industry, but why should you tell you that Lexus, I will svarog all one.
  66. Roman070280
    Roman070280 11 February 2021 12: 43
    +1
    How many articles about modern weapons in Russia are also not an indicator for VO?

    Is this such a joke ??
    Of the achievements of Putin-the number of articles about weapons ??
    Well, as an example, in 2020, agricultural equipment worth 16 billion was exported abroad.
    Yes, even for 100500 billion .. Stop pretending to be a fool !!
    If the price in the store has gone up for goods - that's what a person cares about .. And the prices go up and up !! There are no less articles about this in VO ..

    Shl .. the person cites the most complete nonsense as examples, and also writes to others - but why tell you .. It is necessary to tell about achievements !! And not any hat ..
  67. Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 13: 14
    -4
    Quote: Roman070280
    Is this such a joke ??

    These are facts.
    Quote: Roman070280
    If the price in the store has increased for goods - this is the person who worries.

    This is called inflation and it was not Putin who invented it.
  68. gjkrjdybr50
    gjkrjdybr50 13 February 2021 13: 34
    0
    No need to juggle and pretend to be a fool. Or are there not enough arguments?
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 10 February 2021 14: 38
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    It is useless for Zaputins to ask questions, especially if they require memory, logic, and common sense.

    zaputintsy, anti-Putinists, navalnyata ..... and who is for Russia?
    Putintians call to live in the country from which the pipes flow, and there are specialists in the construction of bridges and nuclear power plants abroad. The anti-Putinists are shouting that this is wrong. Bulk shouts that everyone around is thieves ... And where is the country that showed the world economic and military growth under Stalin? Where is the leader capable of repeating this?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 February 2021 15: 03
      +7
      Quote: aybolyt678
      And where is the country that showed the world economic and military growth under Stalin? Where is the leader able to repeat this?

      Under Putin, there will be no such leaders, unfortunately ... they will simply be jailed or beaten down. Platoshkin, as an example.
    2. Yaroslavl
      Yaroslavl 10 February 2021 15: 24
      +8
      already they want to keep Bondarenko out of their minds with all their might, because they got scared ... apparently there is something to fear for, there is ...
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 10 February 2021 15: 25
      +9
      Quote: Yaroslavsky
      already they want to keep Bondarenko out of their minds with all their might, because they got scared ... apparently there is something to fear for, there is ...

      Yes, they exterminate everyone who gets in the way ..
    4. Yaroslavl
      Yaroslavl 10 February 2021 15: 30
      +9
      Hence the question ... if they do this, then they really stand guard over their capital, and everything else does not bother them ... Platoshkin N.N., Bondarenko N.N. ... they will just clean them up ... and Navalny they have been sticking out for a long time and on purpose in order to distract (and successfully by the way) a large segment of the population, from the real leaders of the opposition to this thieves' government.
    5. Svarog
      Svarog 10 February 2021 15: 31
      +10
      Quote: Yaroslavsky
      Hence the question ... if they do this, then they really stand guard over their capital, and everything else does not bother them ... Platoshkin N.N., Bondarenko N.N. ... they will just clean them up ... and Navalny they have been sticking out for a long time and on purpose in order to distract (and successfully by the way) a large segment of the population, from the real leaders of the opposition to this thieves' government.

      In my opinion, it is .. For them, the real danger is represented by the communists and socialists .. (not those who dug themselves in the thought for life .. or rather, not all of those)
    6. Yaroslavl
      Yaroslavl 10 February 2021 15: 36
      +6
      yes, that's right, and Navalny is their project for the most part, which is tainted with Western special services, communication with non-handshake oppositionists, then allegedly calls for the children to leave and that's it ... they did it, though the protest was anti-government, but was skillfully reformatted in the exit of children. And the man in the street took a bite ... he screeches an agent, the west, children ... the Kremlin succeeded ...
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 21
    -9
    Who are Platoshkin and Bondarenko - where did they show themselves as high-quality managers, not in words but in deeds, or tryndezh on YouTube channels is their quality indicator of work?
  • Svarog
    Svarog 10 February 2021 19: 09
    +6
    Quote: Vadim237
    Who are Platoshkin and Bondarenko - where did they show themselves as high-quality managers, not in words but in deeds, or tryndezh on YouTube channels is their quality indicator of work?

    Putin has already shown himself in deed..for 20 years of government..finger on the finger..only he spawned billionaires and provided his own wives..well, of course he didn’t forget about himself..but what for people? Tell me Vadim, what has been done for people? Why are we, Russian people, becoming impoverished and dying out every year? At 500 tons a year Vadim .. do you have a conscience? can you imagine how much it is?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 34
    -6
    Quote: Svarog
    Putin has already shown himself in deed..for 20 years of rule.

    Life in the country has become much better, and not only for the oligarchs.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 10 February 2021 20: 44
    +5
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Svarog
    Putin has already shown himself in deed..for 20 years of rule.

    Life in the country has become much better, and not only for the oligarchs.

    Yeah, every year it's getting better straight .. Do you live in Russia? Usually, those who live in England and Germany like to push such things .. Even Rosstat doesn’t need you .. doesn’t penetrate anything ..
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 47
    -8
    Quote: Svarog
    Yeah, every year it's getting better straight .. Do you live in Russia?

    In Russia I also work as an engineer.
    Quote: Svarog
    Usually those who live in England and Germany like to push such things.

    An outdated training manual - your protest colleagues from the liberal camp are shouting the same thing as you.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 10 February 2021 20: 50
    +10
    Quote: Dart2027

    In Russia I also work as an engineer.

    Engineer and engineer differ ... I have an acquaintance who received 200 tons ... a month ... he worked in Tatneft ... but there is one who receives 27 tons .. You can see from the first ones ..
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 22: 50
    -7
    Quote: Svarog
    Engineer to engineer strife

    But what about the mantra that everything is destroyed, plundered and only oligarchs live?
    Quote: Svarog
    I received 200 tons ... a month ... I worked in Tatneft ... but there is, who receives 27 tons

    I have nothing to do with oil.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 08: 04
    +3
    Quote: Dart2027
    An outdated training manual - your protest colleagues from the liberal camp are shouting the same thing as you.

    Svarog from the liberal camp ??? wassat belay fool seems to be on the site for a long time smile and write such nonsense. if you are an engineer, work in your specialty and are happy with life, then you work in a closed corporation, where, in addition to talent, you also need luck to get there. In the area where I live, engineers are the least demanded specialty. In the system built by Putin, there is no system of social lifts even through the army, the interests of big business do not allow. This not normal.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 08: 28
    -1
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Svarog from the liberal camp ???

    Read the discussion carefully. He's writing
    Quote: Svarog
    Usually those who live in England and Germany like to push such things.
    These are just the same liberal oppositionists
    To this I also answer.
    If you haven't noticed, since the beginning of the riots, the communists and liberals have merged in a touching alliance against Putin, so the liberals are his colleagues, although not a liberal myself, and I know it.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    if you are an engineer, you work in your specialty and are happy with life, then you work in a closed corporation

    People get there even without cronyism, recently several university graduates have come.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    In the system built by Putin, there is no system of social lifts even through the army, the interests of big business do not allow.

    The oligarchs are really interested in this. What kind of elevators do you need - to the minister? So it is very difficult to get into the elite in any system, and it will work out for one of the n-th number of applicants.
  • gjkrjdybr50
    gjkrjdybr50 13 February 2021 13: 42
    +1
    Not true! After 34 years in the army (replaced 13 garrisons, from the Vologda region, through Siberia and N. Land to St. Petersburg), he worked for 15 years at a defense enterprise. He started as an engineer, graduated as Chief Designer. You need to plow and achieve results, then you will have social elevators.
  • Revival
    Revival 11 February 2021 17: 52
    +1
    That is, you do not agree with Rosstat and the government that incomes have been falling for years and that the population is declining by hundreds of thousands a year?
    Give refutations, arguments, you are not just ...
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 18: 46
    -3
    Quote: Revival
    that incomes have been falling for years

    Judging by the fact that I see something around imperceptibly.
    Quote: Revival
    population is declining

    It has been running since 1917. In the Republic of Ingushetia, the population grew by almost 50% over 20 years, and then the rate began to decline.
  • Revival
    Revival 11 February 2021 19: 01
    +2
    That is, in this, the most important, question, do you recognize the helplessness of the top?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 20: 43
    -3
    Quote: Revival
    That is, in this, the most important, issue, helplessness

    Should Putin personally repair three children for every woman of childbearing age? I'm serious.
  • Revival
    Revival 11 February 2021 21: 15
    +2
    No.
    To provide a woman with the opportunity to stay at home with her children, without balancing on the brink of poverty, a huge part of the poor are simply families with more than one child.
    Often the problem of childlessness, lack of own housing, salary, which at the birth of a child will become beggarly, and so on.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 21: 56
    -1
    Quote: Revival
    Provide the opportunity for a woman to stay at home with her children, without balancing on the brink of poverty

    Here are just problems with demography for the entire white race, and in very rich and prosperous countries. Change the record, we've discussed this a hundred times.
  • Revival
    Revival 12 February 2021 11: 56
    0
    So first, provide this richest and most prosperous, and then refer back and discuss whether it helped or not.
    And that is a comfortable position, but it won't help anyway ..
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 February 2021 14: 04
    -1
    Quote: Revival
    So first, provide this richest and most prosperous

    That is, there is nothing to argue?
    And in our country there are a lot of married people, quite prosperous by any measure, who do not want to have children.
    Quote: Revival
    And then a lycimeric comfortable position

    I know the hypocrisy of all kinds of "regime fighters"
  • Revival
    Revival 12 February 2021 14: 37
    +1
    You have no reason to say that this will not help, you have not provided anything yet, so that you can blame that it didn’t help, you just cover up helplessness and unwillingness.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 February 2021 14: 39
    -2
    Quote: Revival
    You have no reason to claim that this will not help, you have not provided anything yet

    Quote: Dart2027
    And in our country there are a lot of married people, quite prosperous by any measure, who do not want to have children.

    Quote: Revival
    just covering up helplessness and unwillingness

    Yes, your helplessness and hypocrisy are covered with beautiful words.
  • Revival
    Revival 12 February 2021 22: 23
    +1
    Are you an ordinary troll?
    Always translate arrows instead of answering?
    It looks a pity.
    If in fact there is nothing to answer, can you just not write, or you can’t !?
    It looks a pity if you only "parrot" in response ...
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 13 February 2021 06: 54
    -2
    Quote: Revival
    Are you an ordinary troll?
    Always translate arrows instead of answering?

    Is it? I simply answer that your helplessness and hypocrisy are covered with beautiful words. And it is true.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 10 February 2021 20: 51
    +24
    Quote: Svarog
    Yeah, it's getting better every year ..

    life has become more fun

    A feast in time of plague, and after all it ...
    Quote: Dart2027
    Outdated training manual.

    it suits
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 08: 29
    -6
    Quote: Silvestr
    it suits

    Of course, something new cannot be invented.
  • Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 11 February 2021 12: 11
    +3
    I support, my classmate went to Finland in 2004, gave birth to children there, all with everything as they say) yelling that Putin is a cool president))) will watch the first channel there and yell) but God forbid here ... even stopped traveling in the summer .. .that's such a love for the homeland and the president ... from afar)
  • clerk
    clerk 11 February 2021 19: 56
    0
    The birth rate in 2019 in Finland and Germany is 9,4 / 1000, in Russia 12,8 / 1000, in Japan - 7,5 / 1000.
  • Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 12 February 2021 10: 01
    -1
    Where did you send your fertility data?)
  • clerk
    clerk 12 February 2021 11: 28
    -1
    To dispel fake hints about how wonderful it is to breed in sunny Finland and how bad it is in dark Russia
  • Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 12 February 2021 11: 57
    -1
    No fakes, no hints ... this is your Kremlin tactics, everything is blurry to show and make fakes ... and I say bluntly, in dark Finland the standard of living is many times better than in the brightest Russia ... and this is a fact that is not subject to any no doubt ... what are you trying to bring some data on the birth rate, it's not even a fake, it's just agony and a circus) there is absolutely nothing to tell you) and it is generally not clear what they were brought to?)
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  • Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 12 February 2021 14: 26
    -2
    Let’s do it, I’ll give you my numbers, and you give me your specific ones) Finca is in third place in the world in terms of the happiness index ... I won’t explain what this is, google ... and we are 64 ... the fourth in the world, the average pension is 1780 euros ... we have 242 euros ... what other figures can you give?) you muttered something about the birth rate ... yes, we have a mortality rate of minus 500 per year ... we are dying out .. what Do you also need numbers? I think everyone would be interested in how much you get for each comment from the authorities .. + 15 on the bill, right?)
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  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 07: 31
    -1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Life in the country has become much better, and not only for the oligarchs.

    undoubted merit of Putin that Russia under him does not participate in major wars. Therefore, life has become better. The downside is that he relied on people with large capital. In the history of Russia, this was, examples of Ivan the Terrible,. However, Ivan the Terrible, having achieved power, executed many rich men (put them on a stake, hung them up), since they strongly impeded reforms. In Russia, a lot of capital is made on voucherisation and privatization, so Putin's support is rotten and not interested in reforms. Question: - What reforms are needed to ensure the growth of high-tech production without a revolution?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 08: 35
    -5
    Quote: aybolyt678
    The downside is that he relied on people with large capital. In the history of Russia, this was

    This was and is throughout world history. The problem for Russia is that our elites had some kind of manic passion to become part of the West. Why did perestroika in China (and they were rebuilt, and this is a fact) followed a completely different path? Yes, because people rule there, who perfectly understand that only a strong China will provide their life and power, and without it they are nothing. Those who are ready to tear out competitors with their teeth always come to the very top, such is life and this is the only guarantee that the elites will not betray again, as it was twice.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    In Russia, large capital is made on voucherisation and privatization

    And what to do, take away and divide? Have already tried and in the end nothing good ended.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 11 February 2021 16: 55
    +1
    Tell me Vadim, what has been done for people? All that he could and what the state had enough money for, the most important thing, he pulled Russia out of the ditch leading to the fate of present-day Moldova, for which thanks to him. And there are no rulers who had everything perfect. Why do we, Russian people, become poor and die out every year? I don't know why you are poor - I saw beggars everywhere in the late 90s and early 2000s, now I do not see beggars "We are dying out" - 500000 a year is not an indicator - in the 90s, 150000 more died than were born every month, and then you and all of yours are not visible then and could not be heard.
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 10 February 2021 19: 17
    +6
    and which of our current managers has proved to be "high-class managers, not in words but in deeds" please name the studio .. I hope not Chubais and Rogozin?
  • Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 11 February 2021 12: 07
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    Putin let the country go around the world, your cool manager is ... just like you, you are a blogger, he looks like a manager)
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 13: 15
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    Quote: Yaroslavsky
    Putin let the country go around the world

    I mean, poor people fly all over the world?
  • Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl 11 February 2021 21: 01
    -2
    My dear, people will bypass you, they say that they are wrong ... why stick and climb into a bottle all the time? Is it really that bad?)
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 21: 55
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    Quote: Yaroslavsky
    My dear, people will bypass you, they say they are wrong

    Your comment, too, with a minus, why stick all the time and climb into the bottle? is it so bad?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 15: 46
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    And where is the country that showed the world economic and military growth under Stalin?

    That is, that country could only live under Stalin? Note that I didn't say that.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 18
    +5
    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, that country could only live under Stalin?

    Have you forgotten how to read? It's about an economic breakthrough, not life. wink
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 17: 59
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    It's about an economic breakthrough, not life.

    AND? This breakthrough was under Stalin, Stalin was gone - not a breakthrough, and then the country itself. These are facts.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 09: 56
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    AND? This breakthrough was under Stalin, Stalin was gone - not a breakthrough, and then the country itself. These are facts.

    it's not even about Stalin. Any ruler takes wealthy people for support, and Stalin took Ideology. Stalin did not have time to create a selection system for the Elite. The nomenclature was formed by itself on the basis of acquisitiveness and disguise as communist ideals. Outwardly, it looked like Dogma and the practice of religious worship. All the fresh people introduced by Stalin to the Central Committee in 1949 were eaten.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 10: 48
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    any ruler takes wealthy people for support, and Stalin took Ideology. Stalin did not have time to create a selection system for the Elite.

    The fact of the matter is that he physically could not create it. I am not a supporter of social Darwinism in relation to the whole society, but in matters of the formation of elites, he acts and will act - power in the country will always be taken by those who devour competitors. This is our nature.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 10 February 2021 17: 57
    +7
    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, that country could only live under Stalin? Note that I didn't say that.

    Lenin once said that we must use all the knowledge that mankind has developed.
    Communist theory suffered greatly from the fact that theorists did not have good experts on animal behavioral responses. They did not take into account the change in a person during the transition from class to class, did not develop simple concepts of Communism, Socialism and the excess of the role of Energy over the class struggle. Stalin was the driver of development, he means more to Russia than Jesus Christ.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 18: 11
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    Communist theory suffered greatly from the fact that theorists did not have good experts on animal behavioral responses. They did not take into account the change in a person during the transition from class to class, did not develop simple concepts of Communism, Socialism and the excess of the role of Energy over the class struggle.

    To put it simply, communism is a utopia.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 10 February 2021 18: 56
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    To put it simply, communism is a utopia.

    What is Communism?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 18
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    What is Communism?

    Quote: Dart2027
    communism is a utopia.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 09: 49
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027

    Quote: Dart2027
    communism is a utopia.

    you are repeating ... smile I have come across the most understandable explanation of what communism is in Popov's book "Dialectics. The Way to Truth", you can master 30% of Popov's text, I respect you, you can refute - I will pray
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 10: 40
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    you are repeating ...

    The boring science of biology says boringly that people remain human under any ideological system, and the realities of life say that they will never build communism.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 10: 55
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    The boring science of biology says boringly that people remain human under any ideological system, and the realities of life say that they will never build communism.

    you will take the trouble to give a definition of what Communism is and why should it be built ?, there is no definition, there is no subject, the conversation is pointless. Boring
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 13: 16
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    you take the trouble to define what is Communism

    In political science and sociology:
    Communism is a socio-economic formation based on public ownership of the means of production.
    Communism (doctrine) is the general name for a number of doctrines that put forward the goal of the elimination of private property
    Quote: aybolyt678
    and why should it be built

    This is not for me, I do not believe in him.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 13: 31
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027

    Communism (doctrine) is the general name for a number of doctrines that put forward the goal of the elimination of private property

    smile I believe that there should be more private property, it just needs to be more evenly distributed, not by revolutions and wars, but by a progressive taxation scale. I don't believe in Communism either. but I believe that certain elements of Socialism - free education, medicine and social housing are necessary.
    state ownership of the means of production itself does not represent anything bad. The prohibition of the private, is an attempt to "fair" distribution of the results of labor.
    Initially, the project of Socialism implied that state enterprises would not compete but would work as planned, where the plan would be developed for them by leading scientists, therefore Socialism should have been free from the diseases of Capitalism - competition, crises ... The idea was not bad, only the top of the Party hated good scientists.
    The hardest part about Socialism is the leaders and their team.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 15: 05
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    but I believe that certain elements of Socialism

    You see, everyone who thirsts for the Revolution does not need these separate elements, they only need the USSR2, and they will not agree for anything less. I know such people in life.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    state ownership of the means of production itself does not represent anything bad

    Will not work. It's not about scientists, just over time those who will be at the top will want not only power, but also wealth, and there will be perestroika2.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 19: 47
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    Will not work. It's not about scientists, just over time those who will be at the top will want not only power, but also wealth, and there will be perestroika2.

    that's why Stalin is needed to create the USSR2 laughing fellow or the system of training and selection of such Stalins
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 20: 44
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    that's why Stalin is needed to create the USSR2

    A system that depends on one person is not good for anything.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 23: 15
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    A system that depends on one person is not good for anything.

    can create a one-person cooking system? accident is an unidentified pattern ... There is a certain pattern of the emergence of leaders who change the political alignment. This is a defeat in the war. In the case of Stalin, this is his training in theological seminary, revolutionary activities, passion for Marxism.
    Public consciousness (the consciousness of the average person) has a certain influence on the choice of the leader of the nation.
    Why wait for a war in our age of information technology? Isn't it easier to create a school with strict control where children who risk their lives for the sake of others will go? Why this circus with a game of democracy?
    If we do not create such a system, we will continue to exist at the expense of pipes and fossils. I understand that this is naive, but suggest something better. I'm not here to teach someone, I'm learning myself. From the point of view of a sociologist, gossip is a means of social protection, and so communication in forums is a way of developing public immunity to antisocial politics.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 23: 26
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    can create a one-person cooking system?

    In all countries, they do without any inventions, but the local elites understand the simple fact that they are elites only in their own country and their luxurious life depends on their country and their people. There is nothing better.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 23: 32
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    There is nothing better.

    our country is too big ... the military capabilities of the head of an oil company are commensurate with the capabilities of the prime minister of a small country. These are the opportunities they use for their own purposes and the problems are blamed on the people.
    I would be grateful for your option for the development of Russia. what would you do as president today?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 February 2021 07: 32
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    our country is too big

    Well, a large part of the country is poorly suited for living.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    what would you do as president today

    And the same as he.
    Pension Reform?
    I do not remember how many times this was discussed - in the 90s we got an almost zero birth rate, so now there is simply a lack of a working-age population.
    Revisiting privatization?
    Let's ditch the economy that has worked, albeit not ideally, and we will create anew for another 10 years, with all the delights of this process.
    Different global projects in the spirit of the early USSR?
    Sounds pretty, but there is a small detail. I'm wondering who of those who shout about Stalin's achievements are ready to work like under Stalin? Very few, I suppose.
    Corruption?
    They are fighting with her like that, just last year 12000 cases were opened.
    Close to Putin himself?
    Power is a team game and any ruler needs his own. Take Stalin - he had no irreplaceable. It's good? In theory, yes, and the communists are constantly shouting about it. But let's remember what happened after his death - everyone (exceptions at the level of static error) disowned him, and the country he created went downhill. Yes, the USSR could still issue achievements like space flights, but since 1953 it was on its way to its end. It's good?
    A global idea?
    Over time, it turns into a dogma and the principle "if the realities of life contradict the idea, so much the worse for realities" begins to operate. Those interested can see how this principle begins to work in the United States (feminism, LGBT, BLM). No, thanks.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 12 February 2021 07: 56
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    No, thanks.

    Nevertheless thank you. Very detailed and understandable. I agree with almost everything.
    Quote: Dart2027
    Power is a team game and any ruler needs his own.
    ... There are two forms of management - councils and commands. Tips for identifying problems exist all the time, and teams are made up of specialists at the time of solving these problems. If you look at Putin's entourage, you get the feeling that he has recruited those that are not needed anywhere else. And there is not a team style, and not advice, there is a pack with a rigid hierarchy. Putin buys his own people, this is outraged.
    I agree that I am acting carefully and correctly. But I am in favor of additional taxes for the rich and protective duties.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 February 2021 09: 05
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    If you look at Putin's entourage, you get the feeling that he has recruited those that are not needed anywhere else.

    Well that's the question. About Putin and his entourage is pouring as much dirt as was poured only on Nicholas 2, so it is rather difficult to assess reality. If we put aside the propaganda and look around, then the process is proceeding without dashing jerks, but without stopping.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    But I am in favor of additional taxes for the rich and protective duties.

    The question is which of these is real. For example, let's take ship diesel engines for corvettes. What they were going to buy in Germany seems to be bad, but remember how many times they broke down on the "Guarding"? So the question arises which is better? Most likely we will come to this, but when and in what form it is already the level of awareness of non-visitors to this site.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 27 February 2021 01: 33
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    Quote: Dart2027
    All countries do without any inventions

    in general, yes. everything has already been invented. the rich finance politicians to defend their interests ... are you saying this is a good option?
    Quote: Dart2027
    elites understand the simple fact that they are elites only in their own country and their luxurious life depends on their country and their people

    Oh yeah! laughing have you heard about international corporations? if that these are the same "elites" wink
    and about love for the people is also very clearly seen by the inspiration with which in the USA, France, Germany or Spain, the police beat protesters with wooden sticks.
    Quote: Dart2027
    There is nothing better.

    why does it not exist? existed for itself, but now does not exist? the Khrushchevs need to be cleaned out in time and the Trotskys need an ice pick where they need to be attached, and then communism is not such a utopia wink
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 27 February 2021 09: 48
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    Quote: SanichSan
    the rich finance politicians to protect their interests ... you mean this is a good option

    The question is not whether this is good or bad, but whether there are other options.
    Quote: SanichSan
    existed for itself, but now does not exist? the Khrushchevs need to be cleaned out in time and the Trotskys need an ice pick where they need to be attached, and then communism is not such a utopia

    Do you really believe that Khrushchev is the only one to blame? Seriously?
    Quote: Dart2027
    But let's remember what happened after his death - everyone (exceptions at the level of static error) disowned him, and the country he created went downhill. Yes, the USSR could still issue achievements like space flights, but since 1953 it was on its way to its end. It's good?
    The entire party elite betrayed the country and this is a historical fact.
    Quote: SanichSan
    have not heard about international corporations

    I heard. But any MC has a brain, so to speak, and it is far from so international.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 28 February 2021 01: 14
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    Quote: Dart2027
    The question is not whether this is good or bad, but whether there are other options.

    ummm .. no story? there is definitely and it is historically recorded that this is a working version request
    Quote: Dart2027
    Do you really believe that Khrushchev is the only one to blame? Seriously?

    why alone? as history has shown, Menshivism and Trotskyism were not expelled from the party and this led to natural results. yes errors are known. you propose to cry out "oh everything!" instead of analyzing the problem and finding a solution?
    Quote: Dart2027
    The entire party elite betrayed the country and this is a historical fact.

    not all, otherwise the coup would not have happened wink but the part that betrayed the country was definitely larger and had the full support of the West. again, exclaim "oh everything!", or draw conclusions? wink
    Quote: Dart2027
    I heard. But any MC has a brain, so to speak, and it is far from so international.

    hmm .. strange what Then why, suddenly, the American company "Google" was registered in Ireland, and all Apple production went to China? belay it looks like you are seriously mistaken and the modern level of logistics allows even production facilities to be quickly moved to where it is more profitable. MK and MK because they have nothing to do with a specific country. they are associated with some country, perhaps, by their origin, but this does not affect their activities. request
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 February 2021 06: 28
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    Quote: SanichSan
    story not? there is definitely and it is historically recorded that this is a working version
    Then show the USSR on the map.
    Quote: SanichSan
    as history has shown, Menshivism and Trotskyism were not expelled from the party and this led to natural results
    That is, the entire top of the party, even under Stalin, consisted of traitors? Well, why is she needed then?
    Quote: SanichSan
    not all, otherwise the coup would not have happened
    GKChP carried out the order of Gorbachev, who set them up, the purpose of this booth was to intensify the disintegration of the country.
    Quote: SanichSan
    it looks like you are seriously mistaken and the modern level of logistics allows even
    The question is who is the brain, not where the machines will be transported now. The same "Google" belongs to three people who remain US citizens.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 28 February 2021 15: 54
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    Quote: Dart2027
    Then show the USSR on the map.

    what a strange request .. are you having problems with the search engine? help you out! wink

    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, the entire top of the party, even under Stalin, consisted of traitors?

    um ... I don't even know how to comment on such nonsense ... request why "all"? do you want to come up with that?
    Quote: Dart2027
    Well, why is she needed then?
    probably at least in order for the country's leadership to protect the interests of 95% of the population of the country and not 5% as in "democratic" countries.
    Quote: Dart2027
    GKChP carried out the order of Gorbachev, who set them up, the purpose of this booth was to intensify the disintegration of the country.

    please refer to this order. while this statement is at the level of "all this is by the will of God Kuzi!".
    Quote: Dart2027
    The same "Google" belongs to three people who remain US citizens.

    Yeah, and citizens of what other countries? wassat the same Google pays taxes in Ireland as Apple does in China. what is the difference what citizenship the owner of the corporation has?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 February 2021 19: 46
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    Quote: SanichSan
    are you having problems with the search engine?
    If I find a map with the Russian Empire, does it mean that it exists now? Show me the USSR on modern maps.
    Quote: SanichSan
    probably at least in order for the country's leadership to protect the interests of 95% of the country's population
    That is, when it destroyed this country, it protected the interests of 95% of the population?
    Quote: SanichSan
    please link to this order
    And you do not know what the arrested people said during the investigation?
    Quote: SanichSan
    what's the difference what citizenship the owner of the corporation has?
    Such that a US citizen is under US jurisdiction. He is personally, not just another hired manager.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 28 February 2021 23: 18
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    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, when it destroyed this country, it protected the interests of 95% of the population?

    up to 1953, 95% of them exactly defended their interests. have you heard about the dictatorship of the proletariat? But starting with Khrushchev, they began to destroy the country, and in the 90s all the well-known scoundrels did it for the sake of their petty interests. you are engaged in a primitive substitution of concepts trying to pass off the meanness of individual politicians for the unviability of the system. this is a gross forgery wink the fact that the USSR, after the hardest civil war, carried out industrialization and in the Second World War, cut the EU national team headed by Germany is known to any schoolchild. if you suddenly do not know, this war is also called the war of economies. and you are here claiming that this country was not viable? why? because after Stalin came Khrushchev, and then the Gorbachevs with the Yeltsins? well to go nuts? and that's it? is the ideology utopian? But let's see how many capitalist and democratic countries have slipped into poverty and civil wars? democracy and capitalism are not viable and utopian? belay
    Quote: Dart2027
    And you do not know what the arrested people said during the investigation?

    in general terms in the course, but such nonsense that Gorbachev or Yeltsin ordered them to put a putsch against, in fact, Yeltsin and Gorbachev, I have not heard this.
    Quote: Dart2027
    Such that a US citizen is under US jurisdiction. He is personally, not just another hired manager.

    ummm .. and? but this does not help in any way to force Google to pay taxes in the USA and stop being impudent and declare in Ireland that their headquarters in the states costs 200 bucks lol so how does this "jurisdiction" affect corporations if it isn't even enough to pay taxes? what is this useless bullshit?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 1 March 2021 07: 43
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    Quote: SanichSan
    until 1953 precisely protected
    Which brings us back to the moment I don't remember how many times - everything was kept on one Stalin. And precisely on one, because as soon as he died, the then elite immediately went haywire. What is the vitality of the system? Well, who is substituting concepts here?
    Quote: SanichSan
    if you suddenly do not know, this war is also called the war of economies
    They called it a war of motors, but I don’t remember a war of economies.
    Quote: SanichSan
    but such nonsense that Gorbachev or Yeltsin ordered them to stage a putsch against, in fact, Yeltsin and Gorbachev
    Another admirer of the USSR, who has not seen him in the eyes. In short, according to their testimony, Gorbachev ordered to take measures to restore order in the country, creating something like an emergency commission, and then when they spoke, he immediately eliminated so that they were simply confused not knowing what to do. This version is indirectly confirmed by the course of events itself - the so-called conspirators did practically nothing to actually seize power by eliminating their opponents.
    Quote: SanichSan
    ummm .. and? it doesn't help in any way to get Google to pay taxes in the USA
    Does the US care about taxes? Here the conversation is about politics, and they print as much money as they want.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 1 March 2021 13: 48
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    Quote: Dart2027
    Which brings us back to the moment I don't remember how many times - everything was kept on one Stalin. And precisely on one, because as soon as he died, the then elite immediately went haywire. What is the vitality of the system? Well, who is substituting concepts here?

    for now, you. Tell me, in the capitalist countries, there are no political intrigues in the governments? have these intrigues never led to the country slipping into poverty and civil wars? not? never happened? bully it turns out that both capitalism and democracy are not viable? belay
    Lenin wrote that the party needs constant cleansing, Stalin followed these precepts, Khrushchev stopped this practice under the pretext that socialism in the USSR had already won. So what? now that the Menshevik Khrushchev ruined the system, has the system become "unviable"? at the same time, there are many examples of democratically and capitalist countries that ruined their economies and lost their sovereignty. 1 USSR and over a hundred cap countries ... and you persistently pull aside hundreds of failed projects? based on the fact that the Bolsheviks' first experience was not entirely successful? where is the logic?
    Quote: Dart2027
    They called it a war of motors, but I don’t remember a war of economies.

    The United States defeated Japan because it was economically stronger and could quickly recover its losses, unlike the Japanese. The USSR defeated the Third Reich by producing more aircraft tanks and weapons, economically surpassing the capabilities of the Third Reich. request
    Quote: Dart2027
    In short, according to their testimony, Gorbachev ordered to take measures to restore order in the country, creating something like an extraordinary commission, and then when they spoke, he immediately eliminated so that they were simply confused not knowing what to do.

    this is where you read such nonsense? please link. what you write is contrary to elementary common sense. what kind of "extraordinary commission"? The GKChP specifically opposed Gorbachev's policies and could not have been created by him.
    Quote: Dart2027
    Does the US care about taxes? Here the conversation is about politics, and they print as much money as they want.

    woo ... laughing you would at least read classics, like Adam Smith, to understand what happens if you "print as much money as you want." bully
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 1 March 2021 16: 52
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    Quote: SanichSan
    for now, you. tell me, in the capitalist countries there are no political intrigues in the governments? have these intrigues never led to the country slipping into poverty and civil wars?
    So you admit that the project to create a new communist elite has failed miserably? The essence of the teachings of communism is precisely that they say everything is for the people, but it turns out "as always."
    Quote: SanichSan
    Lenin wrote that the party needs constant cleansing
    I know that, only he did not specify who will be cleaning the cleaners.
    Quote: SanichSan
    at the same time, there are many examples of democratically and capitalist countries that ruined their economies and lost sovereignty
    Will there be analogues of the Belovezhskaya Agreements?
    Quote: SanichSan
    The USSR defeated the Third Reich by producing more tanks, aircraft and weapons, economically surpassing the capabilities of the Third Reich
    The USSR had a military-type economy that was focused exclusively on war. But this does not mean that she was more developed.
    Quote: SanichSan
    this is where you read such nonsense? please link.

    Please, I heard that back in those years.
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/278983
    Quote: SanichSan
    what you write is contrary to elementary common sense. what kind of "extraordinary commission"? The GKChP specifically opposed Gorbachev's policies and could not have been created by him.

    In fact, it was he who became the last coffin lid in the USSR, so he fully complied with Gorbachev's policy.
    Quote: SanichSan
    you would at least read classics, like Adam Smith, to understand what happens if you "print as much money as you want." bully
    You should at least occasionally read the news from the United States, which says that they have once again raised the limit of their national debt.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 1 March 2021 18: 19
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    Quote: Dart2027
    So you admit that the project to create a new communist elite has failed miserably?
    right. it was the disintegration of the elites that caused the collapse of the USSR. however, it should be noted that in the elite initially, not everything was smooth. there were enough Mensheviks there since the pre-revolutionary period. Kamenev and Zinoviev were tried only by the age of 36.
    Quote: Dart2027
    The essence of the teachings of communism is precisely that they say everything is for the people, but it turns out "as always."

    right. while such altruists as Lenin and Stalin were in power, everything worked, but as they were replaced by Mensheviks like Khrushchev, everything fell apart. it is clear that Lenin and Stalin did not pay enough attention to personnel training and clearly underestimated the depth of penetration of Menshevism into the party request
    but what do you mean when you write "as always"? you want to say that stealing and plundering is the natural needs of a person, which means that the authorities should steal and plunder according to what cannot be otherwise and that means everything that implies a different development of events is a utopia? belay
    Quote: Dart2027
    You should at least occasionally read the news from the United States, which says that they have once again raised the limit of their national debt.

    I read it, of course, but unlike you, I, having an economic education, understand where this is leading and how it will end. By the way, they too. there, no one harbors illusions that this bubble will burst sooner or later and it will end not just with a crisis, but with a real disaster request

    PS
    tried to remember what reminds me of what you write .. remembered laughing canonical Trotskyism laughing "If we have more than half of the country petty-bourgeois peasantry, then we cannot build communism, which means we need to build capitalism." Yes, only Trotsky screwed up badly request
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 1 March 2021 19: 16
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    Quote: SanichSan
    right. it was the disintegration of the elites that caused the collapse of the USSR
    Which again brings us back to the fact that the system was not viable.
    Quote: SanichSan
    but what do you mean when you write "as always"? you want to say that stealing and plundering is the natural needs of a person, which means that the authorities should steal and plunder according to what cannot be otherwise and that means everything that implies a different development of events is a utopia?
    If the elites are not given the opportunity to officially and legally live much better than the rest of the people, then these elites will simply demolish the state. And there really is no other way.
    Quote: SanichSan
    I read it, of course, but unlike you, I, having an economic education, understand where this is leading and how it will end. By the way, they too. there, no one harbors illusions that this bubble will burst sooner or later and it will end not just with a crisis, but with a real disaster
    But the local elites wanted to spit on all theories and continue to print without stopping. How they are going to rake it, I, of course, do not know, but their actions are obvious.
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    Yes, only Trotsky screwed up badly
    Well, where was communism built here? Both Trotsky and Lenin screwed up.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 1 March 2021 19: 52
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    Quote: Dart2027
    Which again brings us back to the fact that the system was not viable.

    when your light bulb burns out you don't change it anymore? if it burns out, then the idea of ​​lighting a room is utopian?
    Quote: Dart2027
    If the elites are not given the opportunity to officially and legally live much better than the rest of the people, then these elites will simply demolish the state. And there really is no other way.

    hmmm .. from 1917 to 1953 they didn't seem to be demolished ...
    and in another way it happens. what you are defending is the consumer mentality. consumer mentality is an acquired ability, not innate, which means that you can pick up or educate people with a different mentality request now there is a scientific basis for this and specialists are able to select people with the necessary moral qualities, in contrast to 1917, and these specialists cannot be fooled by saying that you are "good" wink
    Quote: Dart2027
    But the local elites wanted to spit on all theories and continue to print without stopping. How they are going to rake it, I, of course, do not know, but their actions are obvious.

    are quite obvious. "the main thing is not in my presidential term" bully you know, there is a game in which players take turns taking out bricks from a tower made of bricks and placing them on top of the tower until the tower collapses. very similar to what is happening.
    Quote: Dart2027
    Well, where was communism built here?

    Let me remind you that capitalism for 100-200 years could not be built. feudal lords and monarchs crushed this heresy in the bud. but in the end they built ... and communism will be built. won't go anywhere wink
    I also wanted to ask .. I forgot laughing
    Quote: Dart2027
    The USSR had a military-type economy that was focused exclusively on war. But this does not mean that she was more developed.

    Explain in what place the economy of the USSR "was focused only on the war"?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 2 March 2021 06: 52
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    Quote: SanichSan
    when your light bulb burns out you don't change it anymore? if it burns out, then the idea of ​​lighting a room is utopian?
    In this case, the primitive communal system must be recognized as viable and relevant.
    Quote: SanichSan
    hmmm .. from 1917 to 1953 they didn't seem to be demolished ...
    Which again brings us back to the fact that the USSR held on to Stalin alone.
    Quote: SanichSan
    consumer mentality is an acquired ability, not innate, which means that you can pick up or educate people with a different mentality
    You know, not a single school teaches you how to steal and kill. The consumer mentality is just an innate ability, it is just that it manifests itself to different degrees in different people. If this were not so, then communism would have come naturally long ago. Actually, this was the main mistake - people are a biological species. No more no less.
    Quote: SanichSan
    are quite obvious. "the main thing is not in my presidential term"
    "After us, even a flood." I'm aware, but it's about what they are doing right now, not in the abstract future.
    Quote: SanichSan
    Let me remind you that capitalism for 100-200 years could not be built. feudal lords and monarchs crushed this heresy in the bud
    The capitalists could not come to power, but in fact, capitalism was actively developing, and the same France at the time of the revolution was a completely capitalist country.
    Quote: SanichSan
    Explain in what place the economy of the USSR "was focused only on the war"?
    The complete centralization of all the resources of a country is the ideal system for waging war.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 27 February 2021 01: 23
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    can create a one-person cooking system?

    Nicholas II? maybe you don't need to repeat? wink
  • clerk
    clerk 12 February 2021 17: 18
    -1
    Chatterboxes and nachetchiks, wailing about Stalin in their wet dreams, did not read Stalin himself. Otherwise, they would have known with what respect he treated the same American efficiency.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 27 February 2021 01: 22
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    or the system of training and selection of such Stalins

    the Leaders of Russia program? belay
  • Svarog
    Svarog 10 February 2021 19: 12
    +7
    Quote: Dart2027

    To put it simply, communism is a utopia.

    Utopia cannot create ... utopia raised the country in a very short period, to unprecedented heights in history, despite the wars and the backlog that was left by the monarch .. from a poor agrarian country, "utopia" created the strongest state in the world .. yes and thanks to "utopia" you were born ..
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 18
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    Quote: Svarog
    Utopia cannot create ... utopia raised the country in a very short period, to unprecedented heights in history, despite the wars and the backlog that was left by the monarch .. from a poor agrarian country, "utopia" created the strongest state in the world .. yes and thanks to "utopia" you were born ..

    Please show me on the map this is the strongest state in the world, I really want to see.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 10: 06
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    Please show me on the map this is the strongest state in the world, I really want to see.

    quote from one book: - "The history of the people is something whole and unified, there can be no corrections or omissions in it, because, otherwise, the people, who have rejected their past, will disappear"
    in other words, all the present is the result of the past, and this state was not so bad that you cannot find on the map
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 10: 44
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    in other words, all the present is the result of the past

    That is, he is not ... For some reason?
    Quote: aybolyt678
    and this state was not so bad

    It was neither bad nor good. There were different moments, but it was a dead end. Precisely because of the fact that ideology was taken as a basis.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 23: 28
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, he is not ... For some reason?

    it is, this is Russia, a little castrated.
    Quote: Dart2027
    It was neither bad nor good. There were different moments, but it was a dead end. Precisely because of the fact that ideology was taken as a basis.

    Christianity is also based on ideology. It is. Christianity. There is a leader - Jesus. He sacrificed himself. Stalin also sacrificed himself, his time and strength. Maybe this is the case, in self-sacrifice?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 23: 32
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    it is, this is Russia

    Is Russia the USSR? The communists won't agree.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Christianity is also based on ideology

    And there is. But in our time, the likelihood that it will become the dominant political ideology is practically zero, but some Idea of ​​the Common Good may already go sideways.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 23: 38
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    The idea of ​​the Common Good can already go sideways.

    did not understand the phrase? explain
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 12 February 2021 07: 11
    -1
    Quote: aybolyt678
    did not understand the phrase?

    Well, most of the "Great Ideas" call to make the whole world happy, or at least to make it much better. Communism called for this, this (theoretically) should have been given by democracy, supporters of the idea of ​​some truth that Russia should bring to the world say about this (you can find it on this site). Better to let these "Ideas" promote others, it is very expensive.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 10 February 2021 20: 44
    -3
    Quote: Svarog
    and thanks to "utopia" you were born ..

    "For procreation, you need something completely different" (c)
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 18
    -5
    Where is the leader able to repeat this? Do you have sales markets for this repeating? Or a huge pile of money that is not busy with anything. And no military growth of Russia now fucking needs those funds that more than enough are directed to the defense industry in huge armies there is no longer any sense.
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  • Svarog
    Svarog 10 February 2021 20: 40
    +11
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Svarog
    You need to ask the Zaputin people .. you all markets are simple .. if

    Wasn't it the communists led by Gorbachev who did it?

    And aren't they now in power and their followers?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 44
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    Quote: Svarog
    Aren't they in power now?

    Judging by how much the United States loves Gorbachev and how they seek to overthrow Putin, it is unlikely ..
  • Svarog
    Svarog 10 February 2021 20: 48
    +5
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Svarog
    Aren't they in power now?

    Judging by how much the United States loves Gorbachev and how they seek to overthrow Putin, it is unlikely ..

    So Gorbachev has not yet acquired his own oligarchs, and Putin has surrounded himself with them and now they have to defend their interests .. And then, they are not so striving ... if they really did, there would be no "childish" sanctions ... for an adult would overlay ..
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 22: 48
    -5
    Quote: Svarog
    So Gorbachev has not yet acquired his own oligarchs, and Putin surrounded himself with them

    Under Gorbachev, they did not have time to appear.
    Quote: Svarog
    And then, not so much they strive ... if they really strove, then there would be no "children's" sanctions ... an adult would be imposed.

    Yes, yes, yes ... They let him into Syria and allowed Georgia to heap, and the Crimea ... Aren't you tired of repeating these tales? However, there is nothing to argue.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 10 February 2021 20: 57
    +26
    Quote: Dart2027
    Judging by how much the United States loves Gorbachev and how they seek to overthrow Putin, it is unlikely ..

    why did love suddenly disappear? Didn't share?

  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 10 February 2021 22: 47
    -5
    Quote: Silvestr
    why did love suddenly disappear?

    So you don't know such a thing as a diplomatic protocol? There is something to be done.
  • Wizzzard
    Wizzzard 11 February 2021 21: 19
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Svarog
    Aren't they in power now?

    Judging by how much the United States loves Gorbachev and how they seek to overthrow Putin, it is unlikely ..

    They love humps, but why should they overthrow Putin ?! It is much easier to finally break the half-broken with his hands.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 February 2021 22: 00
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    Quote: Wizzzard
    but why should they overthrow Putin ?! It is much easier to finally break the half-broken with his hands

    Oh really? So why are they so eager to overthrow him?
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 10 February 2021 19: 33
    +10
    Quote: Vadim237
    Do you have sales markets for this repeat?

    go through any supermarket, screws, sockets, power supplies, electronics, heating batteries. Consumer goods are shorter, all that comes to mind is all imports. If we take the products of "our" agriculture, then the harvesters, at least from us, in Western Siberia, are imported. Chinese electric motors. Yes, our market is dimensionless. Protective duties and the correct political and economic course and the market are guaranteed
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 10 February 2021 21: 06
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    Protective duties and the correct political and economic course and the market are guaranteed

    brilliant! We return to the idea of ​​the late Borukh Nemtsov - "officials - to the" Volga "!" and creatively expanding it to chimerical dimensions. "Poor - but his own!" We drive the entire 84-85 group of TN VED to 10 ... no ... 20 percent duty. We include red for the import of capital goods. We breed an army of cunning startups and watch how the mountain gives birth to a mouse, and the budget is sawn under the technologies passed off as know-how long ago worked out in the West (and the East).
    "The market is guaranteed"? Which one? Again a pseudo-abundance of shitty goods and a general people's secret and obvious passion to become the owner of an imported analogue of domestic garbage?
    Your scenario of an introverted state (semi-autarchy) is the most, sorry, idiotic that you can wish for your country.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 09: 43
    +1
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Your scenario of an introverted state (semi-autarchy) is the most, sorry, idiotic that you can wish for your country.

    I will gladly study your option smile
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 10: 06
    -1
    Only a state with a strong export-oriented economy can afford protectionism in the radical form that you are setting out here. Of course, I mean commodity and technological exports, not raw materials. And in the context of modern global realities, such a strategy can only be a response to the external challenge of an equal competitor. That is - one of the forms of economic, I'm not afraid of this word, war. And you are suggesting that Russia, with its caricatured quasi-capitalism, roll back about ... twenty years and turn into an economic autarchy, all external relations of which will be held only and exclusively on the notorious pipe. Because, dear, Russia will not be able to provide any competitive techno- and science-intensive goods to foreign markets in the foreseeable future. Well, except for grains, rutabagas and hydrocarbons. Moreover, the latter became a national fetish in connection with the fuss around the SP-2.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 10: 12
    +3
    Thanks for the answer, I really haven't found any options for the future How do you like the version of the state program to provide every citizen of our country with a 3D printer? and the state takes on the responsibility of providing consumables and various printheads. You don't have to buy soap dishes !! laughing and there you see, some printers will print more others ... people will cooperate to upload their crafts, files to them, and self-production of consumer goods, so necessary in our country, will begin laughing
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 10: 20
    -2
    Quote: aybolyt678
    How do you like the version of the state program to provide every citizen of our country with a 3D printer?

    Let's go further - why then the state does not solve the demographic problem, about which the authorities like to whine, with the help of reproductive cloning? ))
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 10: 32
    +3
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Let's go further - why then the state does not solve the demographic problem, about which the authorities like to whine, with the help of reproductive cloning? ))

    very high cost laughing... and yet your development option ???
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 11: 09
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    your development option ???

    development? What kind of development can we talk about in general? In the spirit of Putin's populist paradigm with "jerks"? Sorry, "I am not a hunter of nonsense" (c) There can be no talk of any progressive reforms in a country where the "inner circle" and a pack of thieves rule.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 11: 22
    +2
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Sorry, "I am not a hunter of nonsense" (c) There can be no talk of any progressive reforms in a country where the "inner circle" and a pack of thieves rule.

    do we leave everything as it is? or revolution? belay
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 11: 30
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    Quote: aybolyt678
    do we leave everything as it is?

    "everything as it is" will be left without us. The authorities have no sane development concepts.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    or revolution?

    what the hell is a revolution? The driver of any revolution in Russia is a lost war. Then start with this. And all this fuss and throwing cups at the "cosmonauts" is the essence of steam blowing a whistle and an intragram antics. There are no systemic revolutionaries who have a more or less sane model in their heads and are not expected. And all these pigs in yarmulkes, hoping that a wave of populism and turmoil will carry them to the coveted feeder ..... well, don't tell me.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 12: 36
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    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    The authorities have no sane development concepts.

    I'm interested in yours smile
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 11 February 2021 12: 22
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    Well export-oriented is your everything! By 2014 we had entered the "world economy" so much that with minimal independent actions, we got stuck in a serious economic crisis. It turned out that not only the production of aircraft and marine engines and other technological equipment, but even the maintenance of banking and within the economic activity is critically tied to the world community, which gladly tried to show us a goat's face. I think everyone is aware that they had to create their own card system MIR, not because of nothing to do, but because of the critical dependence on the world payment systems Visa and Mastercard, and there were attempts of blackmail by the owners of these systems, interbank payments took only a year and a half how its own system of interbank settlements appeared. It has long been proven
    a - currency stability is determined by the capacity of the domestic market, and not by the number of colored candy wrappers earned in the foreign market;
    b - stability of the economy by creating a common market for states with a total of at least 300-350 million people;
    This is one of the reasons why the West, or rather finance - the economic groups that work there, are making every effort to prevent the EAEU from achieving the appropriate size and level of integration.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 10 February 2021 20: 37
    -7
    Quote: aybolyt678
    And where is the country that showed the world economic and military growth under Stalin?

    Where, where ... Stop whining, its 30 years old, as it is not, this country. That is, her no almost half of the time that she was... And you are still tormented by phantom pains of former greatness.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Where is the leader capable of repeating this?

    What exactly to repeat? Collectivization-industrialization? Liberation hikes in the neighborhood? An iron curtain from the world? What do you personally expect from the clone of Comrade Stalin?
  • Motorist
    Motorist 10 February 2021 23: 14
    +4
    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    An iron curtain from the world?

    Well, the curtain should not be attributed to Stalin - this epithet was invented by another well-known "father of nations", and there the figures "expanded and deepened" later.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 11 February 2021 10: 30
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    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    What do you personally expect from the clone of Comrade Stalin?

    executions for non-fulfillment of tasks of state importance, progressive tax on profits, guaranteed higher education and free medical care, strict pegging of the ruble to the kilowatt, definition and constitutional consolidation of the concept of social justice, the creation of two branches of science - classical and strategic.
  • clerk
    clerk 11 February 2021 19: 39
    -1
    Stop nodding at Stalin. He was a genius in his day and in those conditions. Now other conditions and those methods will not work. They didn't work already in the 1970s.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 10 February 2021 18: 51
    -9
    Quote: Svarog
    especially if they require memory, logic and common sense
    What kind of "memory, logic and common sense to expect from people who are posting these complaints of mental disabilities here, waving at Navalny's demonstrations:" Putin promised, wants, worried ... ", but does not bring the inflation rate in the country and the prices about which specifically it is a question ". On this you catch young losharikov. And I want to catch you. But ... God did not give horns to the vigorous cow. And rightly so, they will begin to pinch you even without me. Work, brothers!
  • zenion
    zenion 10 February 2021 20: 43
    -9
    Svarog (Vladimir). You don't have a crown on your head, you want a plague in your guts. Probably, perhaps, you live on the dark side of the moon and do not know what is happening on the planet. There will be a holiday on your street when you fry your direct master.
  • Igoresha
    Igoresha 10 February 2021 21: 57
    +3
    How are the May decrees doing?
    coronavirus prevented!
    1. Revival
      Revival 11 February 2021 02: 57
      +4
      And the Pechenegs with the Cumans
  • Achilles
    Achilles 10 February 2021 14: 00
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    The mysterious Russian Spirit, and no one has figured it out. They don't understand why we are winning. They do not understand why we have mass heroism both in peacetime and in wartime.
    Do not judge the poet strictly, he tried as best he could ...
    Just watch the video and remember who we are, and let Navalny and his owners go through the forest
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 February 2021 14: 17
      +9
      Why don't you and your employers, crooks and thieves, who intensively cut this forest and take it out at an accelerated pace, especially to China, go to restore it? While voluntarily.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 08: 47
      +1
      Quote: Achilles
      Just watch the video

      Did the doctor from Channel One prescribed this propaganda enema for you?
      Quote: Achilles
      The mysterious Russian Spirit, and no one has figured it out.

      laughing Because no one cares about this fairy tale. But the individual people, of course, hawala.
      1. Achilles
        Achilles 11 February 2021 09: 02
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        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Because no one cares about this fairy tale. But the individual people, of course, hawala.

        Fairy tale?
        So explain why Russia is the largest territory in the world? Why did they try to conquer us so many times, but how did they fail? What's lucky? Or is it really a really mysterious Russian spirit and we have mass heroism both peacefully and in wartime. Apparently, you are so stupid that you do not understand basic things.
      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 09: 47
        +2
        Quote: Achilles
        Apparently, you are so stupid that you do not understand basic things

        On the contrary, my dear, I am smart enough to be skeptical about your nonsense about some "Russian spirit" laughing
        Well, if you wish, then let's approach this metaphysics in Surkov's way - you, in fact, what exactly "Russian spirit" do you mean? Deep, primitive, which you are fed from the box? About the "Russian world", "didyou fought", "we can repeat", "all around enemies" and other popular prints? Or a horseman, a thief, a bureaucrat, in which the authorities have assigned you the place of a marginal picking in scraps, but ready at the snap of your fingers to become frustrated and mumble patriotic mantras?
      3. Achilles
        Achilles 11 February 2021 12: 40
        -5
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        On the contrary, my dear, I am smart enough to be skeptical about your nonsense about some "Russian spirit"
        Well, if you wish, then let's approach this metaphysics in Surkov's way - you, in fact, what exactly "Russian spirit" do you mean? Deep, primitive, which you are fed from the box? About the "Russian world", "didyou fought", "we can repeat", "all around enemies" and other popular prints? Or a horseman, a thief, a bureaucrat, in which the authorities have assigned you the place of a marginal picking in scraps, but ready at the snap of your fingers to become frustrated and mumble patriotic mantras?

        You write to us being fed from a box, here are the last examples - and Alexander Prokhorenko, Major Filipov, Magomed Nurbagandovich Nurbagandov, were they also fed from the box?
        About the Russian spirit, we mean all the peoples living in Russia and the former republics of the USSR (all foreigners who speak Russian say that they are Russian). The video clearly shows what is meant, if you do not understand, these are your problems. There is also a phrase by Alexander Suvorov: "We are Russians. God is with us!" If you do not understand all these phrases and the meaning of all this, then you are a really stupid person.
      4. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 13: 06
        +1
        Quote: Achilles
        Magomed Nurbagandovich Nurbagandov, were they also fed from the box?

        This one also has a "Russian spirit"? He was definitely fed to you from the box. Together with a heroic slogan.
        Quote: Achilles
        About the Russian spirit means all the peoples living in Russia and the former republics of the USSR

        Did you ask them something? Or were they all indiscriminately endowed with the "Russian spirit"? Maybe he hadn’t stuck with them for a hundred years, this spirit? I vividly imagined the Tatar muezzin howling in the morning about the "Russian spirit" from the minaret. Or the rabbi at the bar mitzvah rubs the initiates about the "Russian spirit" laughing
        Quote: Achilles
        The video clearly shows what is meant, if you do not understand, these are your problems.

        And I don't see any problems - I just don't watch such a nauseous pretentious splint. You like it - look, for someone this pulp is molded.
        Quote: Achilles
        There is also a phrase by Alexander Suvorov: "We are Russians. God is with us!"

        So what? Do Russians have a monopoly on God?
        Quote: Achilles
        If you do not understand all these phrases and the meaning of all this, then you are a really stupid person.

        An amiable, "really stupid person" - this is that cretin who rushes with uplifting platitudes, compensating for his inferiority complex with pretentious rubbish.
      5. Achilles
        Achilles 11 February 2021 16: 30
        -2
        Judging by everything that you have written here, you are not given to understand the very essence of the phrase: "Mysterious Russian Spirit", you are weak in spirit
      6. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 16: 48
        +1
        Quote: Achilles
        you are not given to understand the very essence of the phrase: "Mysterious Russian Spirit", you are weak in spirit

        Sniff, maybe you can find your own here by smell. Good luck.
      7. Achilles
        Achilles 11 February 2021 17: 33
        -2
        Quote from Otto von Bismarck: "Make alliances with anyone, unleash any wars, but never touch the Russians" - Has he also seen enough of Channel One propaganda?

        Stalin's words: "For the Russian people are a great people. The Russian people are a kind people. The Russian people have a clear mind. It is as if they were born to help other nations. The Russian people have great courage, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. They are proactive. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a goal. That is why it is harder for him than for other nations. You can rely on him in any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible "- Has he also seen enough propaganda from the first channel?

        Otto von Bismarck has a quote: "The Russians cannot be defeated, we have seen this for hundreds of years. But the Russians can be instilled with false values, and then they will defeat themselves." Apparently, you have already been instilled with these deceitful values.
      8. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 February 2021 17: 56
        +1
        Quote: Achilles
        Otto von Bismarck has a quote: "The Russians cannot be defeated, we have seen this for hundreds of years. But the Russians can be instilled with false values, and then they will defeat themselves." Apparently, you have already been instilled with these deceitful values.

        For God's sake, dismiss this idiocy with invented quotes. Bismarck never said that, your television is lying to you. However, if tomorrow the First Channel puts its next nonsense into the mouth of the Chancellor of the Second Reich, then I believe you will unconditionally believe it.
        Quote: Achilles
        Quote from Otto von Bismarck: "Make alliances with anyone, unleash any wars, but never touch the Russians" - Has he also seen enough of Channel One propaganda?

        Do you, my dear fellow, think that the Iron Prussian was frightened by the "Russian spirit"? Are you seriously?
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 03
    -7
    It was covered in the same 2008, in which this 2020 program was taken on the basis of that economic growth and the cost of oil - but the reality turned out to be harsh.
    1. Revival
      Revival 11 February 2021 02: 58
      +2
      They do not know how to plan, there is nothing to take.
      Where is the responsibility?
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      2. Revival
        Revival 11 February 2021 17: 35
        +1
        "That's why it is planning to make adjustments in terms of volume and timing of emerging circumstances."

        So it is, but there is a limit to everything, there should not be such planning, which, as a result of adjustments, has continuous failures and non-fulfillment!
  • Revival
    Revival 11 February 2021 17: 41
    +1
    "How are the May decrees doing? Where is the implementation of the 2020 program?"

    Here, the "prapagandasti" immediately silently merged shamefully!
    No answer...
  • nemez
    nemez 12 February 2021 09: 17
    0
    It's funny to watch you cling to it. It is impossible to control those who are controlled from the west.
  • nils
    nils 10 February 2021 17: 40
    +11
    Quote: sniperino
    Denials of deniers ..... mediocre students

    It was with great relief and delight that the factory workers and village workers took the news that the 100 billion palace does not belong to Putin personally, but to his childhood friend.

    - Ale, Arkasha.
    - Yes.
    - Your palace.
    - What? What palace?
    - It was not a question.
    - Oh, I understand, Vladimir Vladimirovich.

    With a flick of the hand, the palace is transformed ... the palace is transformed ... the palace is transformed ... into an elegant apart-hotel.

    This is how you wake up one day, and all of Russia has already been rewritten in Rotenberg.

    - Vladim Vladimych, the hat is smoking on you!
    - It isnot mine.

    The test did not confirm the palace of Arkady Rotenberg.

    The proverb “You cannot make stone chambers by righteous labor” was recognized by the court of the city of Gelendzhik as extremist material inciting social discord.
  • Ilya098
    Ilya098 10 February 2021 13: 14
    +3
    Here is your library, time-stamped video. 58:37

    Quote: lexus
    For everyone who watched the original video,

    Did you watch it yourself, or is it the second mistake?
    Quote: lexus
    I always check the validity

    Vague doubts torment me ...
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 February 2021 13: 28
      0
      Errors in 3D graphics. In real photos, everything is correct.
      1. Ilya098
        Ilya098 10 February 2021 13: 31
        +9
        If you are talking about the library, then Navalny says that this is a palace from the inside - 58:33, but shows Prague. The gate with the eagle is no longer and will not be, even the attachments and hinges to them have been removed.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 26
          +10
          Quote: Ilya098
          If you are talking about the library, then Navalny says that this is a palace from the inside - 58:33

          If it didn't seem to me, Navalny refers to the website of the furniture manufacturer, where there are photos of their work, and there are also photos of Putin and Medvedev. He says so. What is the lie?
          1. Ilya098
            Ilya098 10 February 2021 19: 49
            -4
            where photos of their works, and also there are photos of Putin and Medvedev

            Here are just the interiors of the Prague library and a photo of Putin with Medvedev on the site are in different videos - Excellence and Mood. In addition to the library, there is also a photo with the Burj Khalifa skyscraper, you can just as well attribute it to Putin. laughing
            He says so

            Not this way. The photographs are presented to Navalny not as examples of the company's work, but as the interiors of "Putin's palace", because while the viewer is looking at this luxurious library from Prague, Navalny says
            photos of Putin's palace from the inside

            Pure manipulation, the task of which is to show the viewer how expensive the finishing is. Shots of expensively decorated buildings are shoved, it doesn't matter where, the main thing is to look expensive, everything is according to the precepts of Goebbels
            If you tell a lie big enough and repeat it, people will eventually believe it.

            Only in the case of the Berlin patient
            If you constantly show rich interiors, then people will eventually believe that everything is very expensively decorated there.

            By the way, the sound insulation in this "palace of advice" is the cheapest of the line - StopZvuk BP Standard
            Here is a moment in the video where you can see which brand

            And here are the prices - https://stopzvuk.ru/shop/shumoizolyatsiya/stopzvuk-bp/
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 20: 52
            +6
            Quote: Ilya098
            Pure manipulation, the task of which is to show the viewer how expensive the finishing is. Shots of expensively decorated buildings are shoved, it doesn't matter where, the main thing is to look expensive, everything is according to the precepts of Goebbels

            This is easily refuted by the presentation of all the legal documents, right? wink
            And Olesha is charged with an article for slander. Is not it?
            Poorly Voviny druzhbanu present documents? Or is he not obliged to defend the friendship? wink
          3. Ilya098
            Ilya098 11 February 2021 09: 31
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72

            This is easily refuted by the presentation of all the legal documents, right?

            If you are so interested in documents, you can write to these addresses - [email protected] and [email protected] And ask to contact the Rotenberg press service. If they don't answer here, then in other companies of Arkady Romanovich, I think you can find them.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And Olesha is charged with an article for slander. Is not it?

            Rather, the Prague library will go to court because it was ranked among such a scandalous object. According to Rotenberg, he acquired the building a couple of years ago, the builders say that in such a devastated state the object has been standing for at least 6 years. The failed boarding house is gradually losing the signs of "residence". 3, the helipad has been reborn into a skating rink more necessary for the hotel (Rotenberg, by the way, is the chairman of the FHR and a fan of hockey). The bare walls are covered with the cheapest soundproofing, after being reborn into a hotel, the need for the gates also disappeared and they were removed, and the builders tell where the room will be. By the way, about slander, this is in the hands of the future hotel, black PR is also PR, so it will have more guests wink ... They will come to gaze at the fountain and look at those who store dirt not in special expensive heat chambers, but in Mobilestella bookcases and wardrobes.
            Or is he not obligated to defend

            If you think that the "palace" belongs to Putin, and Rotenberg covers it up because he does not abandon each other, then it turns out that Putin is such a friend to Rotenberg. Dumped on him a problematic long-term construction, where work for several years and scandals for decades. And according to your version, he should also protect him. Imagine if you were presented with an old dilapidated country house, on which some illegal schemes were stirring up.
            Poorly Voviny druzhbanu present documents?

            And you ask his press service whether he is weak or not.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 10 February 2021 14: 51
    +9
    Quote: Ilya098
    Did you watch it yourself, or is it the second mistake?
    Quote: lexus
    I always check the validity

    Vague doubts torment me ...

    what's the difference?? tired already sad After all, in fact, it does not matter whether Putin is the palace or Rottenberg. It is important that absolutely everyone does not trust our government, the Russian people expect something else from the government: - the possibility of self-realization of their potential!
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 10 February 2021 15: 48
      -2
      Quote: aybolyt678
      what's the difference?

      That is, the fact that the accusations are outright lies is not important?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 30
        +9
        Yes, it's a lie, like the presence of the FSO and border guards at a private facility. laughing
        It's good to lie, they have already posted a video where documents were presented for the construction of a FSO boarding house signed by Putin and Medvedev. Already from 2005. How did Arkasha Rotenberg surfaced there?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 10 February 2021 17: 57
          -7
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          It's good to lie, we have already posted a video where documents were presented for the construction of a FSO boarding house signed by Putin and Medvedev.

          Who gave all the best? Foreign agents?
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 18: 05
          +4
          Quote: Dart2027
          Foreign agents?

          Not. And what difference does it make if these documents have not been recognized as a fake to this day.
        3. Dart2027
          Dart2027 10 February 2021 18: 10
          -7
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Not. And what difference does it make if these documents have not been recognized as a fake to this day.

          And who are they generally recognized by? And the difference is that Goebbels said a lot of things, just believe everything ...
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 18: 32
          +4
          You are like a child. Aren't documents signed by top officials of the state direct evidence? And if it is a fake, then this crime is more abrupt than failure to appear at the mark, but no criminal case has been initiated. wink
        5. Dart2027
          Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 32
          -5
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          You are like a child. Aren't documents signed by top officials of the state direct evidence?

          Well, yes, and they will be scattered anywhere. Who was there talking about children?
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          then this crime is more abrupt than failure to appear at the mark, but a criminal case has not been initiated

          What for? To advertise this lie? Putin is smarter than some of his critics.
        6. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 21: 09
          +4
          Quote: Dart2027
          Putin is smarter than some of his critics.

          Therefore, he put Ovalny in prison for violating the parole mark! good The mind is so rushing, and you too! (I compare you with Putin wink )
        7. Dart2027
          Dart2027 10 February 2021 22: 58
          -4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Therefore, he put Ovalny in prison for violating the parole mark!

          Exactly. This is how such fighters should be imprisoned - according to banal and boring articles.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The mind is so rushing, and you also

          I can't say the same about you.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 10 February 2021 17: 46
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, the fact that the accusations are outright lies is not important?

    it is important that there are palaces! and they were built not for money for services to science, the people, the state, but by selling the Motherland in the form of oil, or by cutting the budget of the same Motherland. The situation is frankly similar to the 90th year. Navalny performs the function of the TV program "Look". Soon there will be another Tsoi with his song "We want CHANGE", the function of the CPSU is performed by the snickering EP, Kovid is playing the role of Chumak, and a mask of charged water. After the House of Soviets, people from the CPSU remained in power, only zeroing their social obligations. To this we are being led now.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 10 February 2021 17: 56
      -5
      Quote: aybolyt678
      it is important that there are palaces! and they were built

      Who is the owner of the palaces? Show the documents, where it is said by whom, for what and with what money are they being built?
      However, you do not deny lies.
  • Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 11 February 2021 08: 59
    -2
    He expects the Russian people from the authorities of another: - the possibility of self-realization of their potential!

    All normal Russians realized themselves and reached heights, in business, politics, science, government structures, finally

    All who see that they are not given the opportunity are not Russians, but those living in Russia. Don't associate the Russian people with these losers
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 11 February 2021 10: 18
      +4
      Some "patriots" turned out to be so "successful" that they sculpt their "protective letters" right from across the ocean, from sunny, but at the same time "hated and decaying America." How is it, Oleg? I am ashamed to ask, do you love your spouse remotely too? Maybe it's time for all strikebreakers to return to their homeland and show the "losers" by personal example how to be realized? On Komsomol capitalist construction, for example. And we, when the "shop closes", we will provide you with free robes and gruel, with "interesting people", colleagues-odographers, we will bring you together. You will squeal with joy with them on the restoration of the taiga and associate yourself like "normal Russians". If you want, you will always be always - we will put on sawing the dried branches. And you will certainly "grow" in a state structure - some well-known ITK.


      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 11 February 2021 10: 44
        -3
        Do you disagree that modern Russia is perfect
        Borders wide open, while there is "Putin's bloody regime" no iron curtain has been and will not be. Drive back and forth as much as you like. No scarcity, everything would be available if money was. And they will be if the economy collapses and all sorts of lulz like the Crimea and the DPR will be arranged, stable 75 rubles per dollar are provided, ten years ago one could only dream of this. Those living in the states are grateful to Putin like no one else

        Rosneft was unable to agree with the trustees, Opek out of spite dropped oil prices, and gas prices in the United States fell by half. There is one benefit from Putin, wherever you look

        And then blogger Navalny comes out, muddies the waters, offers to change something, but let him be closed forever
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 11 February 2021 10: 57
        +24
        Quote: Santa Fe
        Do you disagree that modern Russia is perfect

        is it written in a madhouse? Beatings, voting in toilets, gigantic social and financial stratification, etc. crap - is this an ideal state?
        Quote: Santa Fe
        And then blogger Navalny comes out, muddies the waters, offers to change something, but let him be closed forever

        maybe people like you forever? As I understand it, you rushed to the States forever and now love your Motherland from afar?

        the last words of the taxi driver are your principle of life?
      3. Lexus
        Lexus 11 February 2021 11: 22
        +1
        Sylvester hi,
        it seems that it was not a very successful sarcasm performed by Kaptsov, nevertheless in his answer he only confirmed the fact that from all the attempts of "EdRa" to live it becomes better exclusively for "rowers" and foe. But the traitor is still Navalny and the protesters. wassat
    2. Lexus
      Lexus 11 February 2021 11: 09
      +3
      "You are far from Russia." (C) Russian, go home. Come back! Homeland awaits!

      "It's good everywhere here!", Painting, Vasya Lozhkin (Alexey Vladimirovich Kudelin), wonderful people's artist

      PS Sarcasm is a wonderful thing, but we have already gotten fed up with them - because of them we stopped watching "dyposcop-TV", read the press, visit the pages of the "official" media on the Internet, and also go to the elections of one "character" and his many insatiable " friends. "
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 25
    -3
    In fact, this hotel for the elite, which has been building for 15 years, is not in fact, and apparently there was nothing that Oval showed in this film.
  • Achilles
    Achilles 10 February 2021 13: 27
    +5
    Navalny's life is being studied under a microscope. It's his own fault. He called himself a politician - crawl under the attentive studying glances. That is why in 2015 the book "Navalny. Results" was published.
    Because even then everything was clear: about the theft in the actual state position (the adviser of the Kirov governor Belykh, who, by the way, was later caught red-handed himself on a bribe), and about the creation of a sect of followers.
    Well, of course, I mean the Kirovles case, where the current donatenfuehrer noted that he inflicted damage to the state of 16 million rubles. The first, so to speak, hurt - further damage was already more significant.
    Is it possible to admit to power the one who from the very beginning "showed himself", so to speak, in all thieves' glory?
    Think about it, defenders.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 February 2021 14: 03
      +12
      Especially for the "special" I repeat. I am not a supporter / defender of either the Putin or the Navalny. But the materials of the investigations of the second must be checked and, if their reliability is confirmed, be sure to attach to criminal cases in the future, when the Courts again become PEOPLE, and the destroyers of our GREAT MOTHERLAND and the destroyers of its PEOPLE will be responsible for what they have done. The triumph of the Law and just retribution are my life guidelines.
      1. zenion
        zenion 10 February 2021 17: 59
        -2
        Tell me who your friend is and I know who you are. By the pluses, you can understand that you are not an interested person, so you are piled up with pluses. You forget what you wrote earlier and pretend to be such a sheep that you can scare the wolf. Your landmarks were marked back in the last century in one country, which told its citizens that they are swindlers, and everyone else is crap. Therefore, we will expand the country at the expense of the east. No need to pretend even in dreams, you are not the one who thinks well of himself, you flatter yourself.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 34
        -2
        Courts will become PEOPLE again - And that this will change the people have always been and will be a motley mass and everyone had their own shirt and will be closer to the body, so you can forget about a fair judicial system like everything else.
        1. zenion
          zenion 10 February 2021 18: 49
          -4
          Get out of the swamp carefully. You’re not in a jar of sour cream and whipping butter out of sour cream and crawling out, this happens in jokes. But if you like the swamp - stay in it, it is almost sour cream, but the color is different and generally tasteless.
    2. Antonio_Mariarti
      Antonio_Mariarti 10 February 2021 20: 41
      -2
      Quote: Achilles
      Navalny's life is being studied under a microscope. It's his own fault. He called himself a politician - crawl under the attentive studying glances. That is why in 2015 the book "Navalny. Results" was published.
      Because even then everything was clear: about the theft in the actual state position (the adviser of the Kirov governor Belykh, who, by the way, was later caught red-handed himself on a bribe), and about the creation of a sect of followers.
      Well, of course, I mean the Kirovles case, where the current donatenfuehrer noted that he inflicted damage to the state of 16 million rubles. The first, so to speak, hurt - further damage was already more significant.
      Is it possible to admit to power the one who from the very beginning "showed himself", so to speak, in all thieves' glory?
      Think about it, defenders.

      For example, Stalin was somehow allowed in, but he also stole and served time for it. And this fact does not prevent him from being one of the significant figures in history.
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 27 February 2021 02: 03
        +1
        Quote: Antonio_Mariarti
        Stalin was somehow allowed in, but he also stole and served time for it.

        this is when Stalin was in prison for theft? Did you get this nonsense from the fantasies of the modern intelligentsia, embodied in second-rate serials?
  • Baloo
    Baloo 10 February 2021 14: 50
    -9
    Quote: Cube123
    Have you heard of NLP? The most persistent and those obey talented manipulators.

    For some reason, those who have joined the navral sect do not think, and what kind of babos were all these videos shot on, including against vaccinations? I was vaccinated despite my diabetes, age and other ailments. The first stage, the flight is normal, the second day. Think for yourself how this balabol and loafer can earn this. Each video: screenwriter, director, cameraman, sound engineer, editor, lighting, room rental, professional equipment, feeding ... Where does the money come from? Videos against vaccinations: the voice-overs are the same, articulation and sound do not match, apparently the editor was negligent laughing ... Talking heads mumble stupidly and joylessly, their goal is to muddy the consciousness of the audience. Yes, and the very question of the crown: the laboratories in Wuhan were built with American money, the Americans, the Americans worked with the Chinese, funding from the Pentagon budget, like the rest of four hundred laboratories around the world. Obama closed the topic after an emergency in a military laboratory in a small American town. Trump-Opened Funding. I will be glad when I learn that the special services have taken decisive measures against the authors of these videos under the law or outside the law, as a taxpayer I want the action to be taken. sad
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 10 February 2021 15: 48
      -6
      Quote: Balu
      For some reason, those who have joined the navral sect do not think about what kind of babos all these videos were shot on, including against vaccinations?

      And this is a question that all revolutionaries hate.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 34
        +9
        Quote: Dart2027
        And this is a question that all revolutionaries hate.

        I have a side to this question - even if the loot comes from abroad (which by the way I am almost sure of), this does not negate the fact that our helm is a crook of the same kind.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 10 February 2021 17: 58
          -8
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I have a side to this question - even if the loot comes from abroad (which, by the way, I'm almost sure of)

          So you admit that they all work for the State Department? Already good.
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          this does not negate the fact that our helm is a crook of the same kind

          Which does not allow you to destroy the country as you would like?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 18: 13
            +3
            Quote: Dart2027
            So you admit that they all work for the State Department? Already good.

            Perhaps they work.
            Quote: Dart2027
            Which does not allow you to destroy the country as you would like?

            The country is destroyed by your power, which can be easily verified according to Rosstat data.
            And you, sitting in your trolleys, knocking on the keyboard in the name of Putin (and for salary, of course), are contributing to the destruction of the country.
            It was your power that, with the hands of Deripaska, sold Krasmash to sworn partners. A strategic enterprise. And for the first time in history, a special economic zone was created on the territory of this enterprise. That is, you will not pay taxes. Here are all your accomplishments. It is you who are the enemies of Russia, as well as Navalny. negative
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 15
              -5
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Perhaps they work.
              Perhaps you can remove it.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The country is destroyed by your power, which can be easily verified according to Rosstat data.
              Demographic problems are solved in one way, which has existed since time immemorial. But now this is a problem and it is not about Putin and not only Russia.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              It was your power that, with the hands of Deripaska, sold Krasmash to sworn partners. A strategic enterprise.
              As I understand it, this is the only thing that I managed to remember? But since the 90s, there is no way to understand who owns what and what was the share of Americans and who really controls it. In fact, how it worked and works.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 20: 56
              +4
              Quote: Dart2027
              Perhaps you can remove it.

              There are facts other than the screams of Solovyov and Kiselev?
              Quote: Dart2027
              In fact, how it worked and works.

              With the same logic, we can say that a wife sleeps with a man, but with me, or another - what's the difference. wink wink
            3. Dart2027
              Dart2027 10 February 2021 22: 53
              -3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              There are facts other than

              Whose money do all these NGOs live on?
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              With the same logic, we can say that the wife sleeps with the man, but with me, or another

              That is, nothing about who runs the plant and who has what opportunities are unknown?
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 10 February 2021 18: 56
        +23
        Quote: Dart2027
        that is, you admit that they all work for the State Department?

        Do you mean Chubais and Co.? After all, it was Chubais who was the father of the current government and it was not for nothing that he rushed to the States - he was sent by the one who made him an envoy
        Quote: Dart2027
        Already good.

        that you can't deny it
        Quote: Dart2027
        Which does not allow you to destroy the country as you would like?

        remind you of the rate of "economic growth" and what was the reason for this "growth"? - Simple Prince Salman flushed all your "growth" down the toilet at one price of oil. I hope you can't deny that too?
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 17
          -4
          Quote: Overlock
          After all, it is Chubais who is the father of the current government

          One?
          Quote: Overlock
          that you can't deny it

          that they all work for the State Department
          Quote: Overlock
          to remind you of the rate of "economic growth" and due to what was this "growth"?

          They have been moaning about the oil needle for years ... but despite any attempts to influence it through it, they have failed to cause serious problems in the country. I hope you can't deny that too?
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 10 February 2021 20: 10
      -5
      According to FBK, what cases were initiated? How much the Public Popular Front returned to the treasury, I know from official sources. We also know how many generals of power structures are sent to the bunks every year. Why does everyone think that leaders should be poor? Their well-being is also to some extent an indicator of success, and not just family and other ties. Minus .... If you know specific facts, what prevents you, as honest people, from contacting the prosecutor's office or the FSB?
      Yes, I believe that in state structures or in structures with state participation, the salary of a head should not be more than 10 times an ordinary employee. as the founder of the company Bosch said: I pay big salaries in order to be able to pay them.
  • zenion
    zenion 10 February 2021 19: 44
    -2
    Baloo (Baloo, just Baloo). Those who do not want planting for anything and do not like it when they, like tsutsykov, are taught to empty themselves in the apartment, but you need to ask for such things on the street to poke your cons with wet noses. I managed to return one to them, otherwise the bitch will not allow it to the udder. So you directly discovered what they know, but there are those who did not know this and they had more rivals. They are now afraid to go out for a run and mess on the paths of the park, because they will be caught by people with lassos in their hands. Caught and thrown into disinfection. It is not proper for them to live in cleanliness and not to shit anywhere.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 10 February 2021 20: 42
    +2
    Quote: Balu
    Quote: Cube123
    Have you heard of NLP? The most persistent and those obey talented manipulators.

    For some reason, those who have joined the navral sect do not think, and what kind of babos were all these videos shot on, including against vaccinations? I was vaccinated despite my diabetes, age and other ailments. The first stage, the flight is normal, the second day. Think for yourself how this balabol and loafer can earn this. Each video: screenwriter, director, cameraman, sound engineer, editor, lighting, room rental, professional equipment, feeding ... Where does the money come from? Videos against vaccinations: the voice-overs are the same, articulation and sound do not match, apparently the editor was negligent laughing ... Talking heads mumble stupidly and joylessly, their goal is to muddy the consciousness of the audience. Yes, and the very question of the crown: the laboratories in Wuhan were built with American money, the Americans, the Americans worked with the Chinese, funding from the Pentagon budget, like the rest of four hundred laboratories around the world. Obama closed the topic after an emergency in a military laboratory in a small American town. Trump-Opened Funding. I will be glad when I learn that the special services have taken decisive measures against the authors of these videos under the law or outside the law, as a taxpayer I want the action to be taken. sad

    Donates of his supporters will cover the calm + he has a lot of patrons from rich people from the Russian Federation.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 11 February 2021 22: 06
    0
    Quote: Cube123
    Have you heard of NLP?

    I heard about the 25th frame. Didn't you find it there?
  • Alexandes
    Alexandes 13 February 2021 13: 32
    -1
    There is no NLP, no God, no king.

    Russia needs an intelligent, sober, hard-working, non-religious person.
  • 210ox
    210ox 10 February 2021 11: 47
    +8
    Do not wash yourself? Who can't wash it? Here is a video, or rather a photo with Putin's daughter (the headline says that Maria says that his father has been dead for sixteen years). And for her speaks a male voice, a reader with intonation on a piece of paper. So who is HU? I am not delighted with the current government, but this mountain of fakes is clearly spreading at a certain moment causes a gag reflex to Lyosha's supporters. By the way, I live in the Krasnodar Territory and sometimes I go to Gelendzhik at any time of the year. This construction has been going on for at least ten years. Before that they were silent about this unfinished one. There, Stalin's dachas were also wow. And not only with him. So let's talk about them.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 February 2021 12: 16
      +6
      The dachas of the Soviet nomenklatura are doghouses compared to the mansions of organized crime groups.
      1. zenion
        zenion 10 February 2021 19: 45
        -4
        You lived in the former dachas and in the present. For what merits?
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 10 February 2021 14: 55
      +8
      Quote: 210ox
      There, Stalin's dachas were also wow

      Don't you find it funny? these were departmental institutions, partially re-equipped. In the end, how long did Stalin rest in his life ???
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 36
      +6
      Quote: 210ox
      This construction has been going on for at least ten years

      And it began as the construction of the FSO boarding house. State money went, and now the palace has become private. request
  • Cron
    Cron 10 February 2021 11: 50
    +3
    Quote: lexus
    Not to look, but to condemn, it is, of course, easier. Nevertheless, there are things that cannot be washed off. About manipulation - it's just about the "zombie" and the pose of the "official" media.

    There is only one thing from which it is impossible to wash off, this is the stubbornness of Alexei's flock
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 February 2021 11: 57
      -6
      The term "flock" is applicable only to "who is the neon-electorate." You are funny.

      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 10 February 2021 12: 06
        +5
        Quote: lexus
        The term "flock" is applicable only

        What did Navalny himself say about the protesters? About rams and cell phones?
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 February 2021 12: 24
          -3
          I do not look into his mouth, as you do to your chatters, and I always check the accuracy of published materials on the basis of multiple available sources.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 10 February 2021 15: 38
            -1
            Quote: lexus
            I do not look into his mouth, as you do to your chatters, and I always check the accuracy of published materials on the basis of multiple available sources.

            Should these sources also warn that they are foreign agents?
      2. Cron
        Cron 10 February 2021 12: 09
        -2
        Quote: lexus
        The term "flock" is applicable only to the "electorate." Such "special citizens".

        So I don't use the term, I just state a fact. Why translate arrows? Have you put on the flag of the Soviet Union and are trying to play something of yourself here? But in fact you are from the same flock, you are simply pseudo. Pseudo destroyed the once great power, pseudo and now they are trying to vote
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 February 2021 12: 26
          -7
          I have provided the facts. Where are yours? In response, only verbal diarrhea and rudeness.
          1. Cron
            Cron 10 February 2021 12: 31
            +1
            Quote: lexus
            I have provided the facts. Where are yours? In response, only verbal diarrhea and rudeness.

            For me, someone's sick imagination and other 3D science fiction are not facts. Sorry
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 10 February 2021 12: 34
              -6
              Everything is clear, you are floundering in yours. The client is blown away - enter the next one.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 10 February 2021 12: 47
            +19
            Quote: lexus
            In response, only verbal diarrhea and rudeness.

            typical cognitive dissonance response
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 10 February 2021 13: 20
              +1
              We spent all the funds on renting Crocuses for covid hospitals, but they forgot about “these”. Without psychodysleptics, they completely lost their human appearance.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 10 February 2021 12: 48
          +21
          Quote: Cron
          Pseudo destroyed the once great power, pseudo and now they are trying to vote

          concretize your opus, who are "pseudo"?
      3. Achilles
        Achilles 10 February 2021 14: 14
        -3
        I personally do not know Putin, but Putin is my friend !!!
        1. Revival
          Revival 10 February 2021 15: 30
          +2
          This is with antiquity prohibitions?
          I understand correctly that for such a gathering, already by law, they ran to prosecute, well, to avoid hypocrisy?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 41
            +9
            Quote: Revival
            This is with antiquity prohibitions?

            There are double standards. Bondarenko was detained and fined for his presence at the rally, and Milonov was not even chided, although he was also at the rally in Moscow.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 10 February 2021 12: 46
      +23
      Quote: Cron
      There is only one thing from which it is impossible to wash off, this is the stubbornness of Alexei's flock

      the sociology of protest watched? -40% came out for the first time and at the age of over 30 with the motivation "Bulk shit, but you can't live like that either." In Yakutsk, at -50 ° C, did the flock leave? Open your eyes. and you will wake up, and there are red flags on the street. It will be inconvenient to change shoes
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 10 February 2021 13: 22
        -5
        In this case, you still have to wash up and you will have to change the full pants.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 10 February 2021 13: 54
        +3
        Quote: Silvestr
        It will be inconvenient to change shoes

        It’s just convenient for them .. there is nothing safer and more profitable, how to protect the regime .. and when it is not profitable and unsafe .. then they will change.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 February 2021 14: 21
          +4
          Affectionate pig, whatever you give him, sucks. Doesn't know that slaughter is inevitable.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 39
          -4
          Mishustin will be the next president in 2024 - so get ready.
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 10 February 2021 15: 51
        -6
        Quote: Silvestr
        Open your eyes. and you will wake up, and there are red flags on the street.

        And what about Navalny a communist?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 40
          -4
          There are no more communists - pseudo and imitators have remained.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 10 February 2021 20: 20
            -3
            Quote: Vadim237
            There are no more communists

            I think a few can be found, but their number is so small that there is nothing to talk about.
    3. sergo1914
      sergo1914 10 February 2021 16: 40
      +3
      Quote: Cron
      Quote: lexus
      Not to look, but to condemn, it is, of course, easier. Nevertheless, there are things that cannot be washed off. About manipulation - it's just about the "zombie" and the pose of the "official" media.

      There is only one thing from which it is impossible to wash off, this is the stubbornness of Alexei's flock


      You made a lot of mistakes in the word "Vladimir".
  • antivirus
    antivirus 10 February 2021 11: 55
    +3
    About manipulation - this is just about the "zomboyaschik" and the pose of the "official" media.

    - I just think - that some of the Kremlin towers are playing against VVP and its entourage, our country is very large and motley. opinions and subconsciousness are many.
    in addition - fishing with live bait - quite in the style of the KGB and Putin (his supporters).
    getting money from the West for a film and protests with obvious failure is already our victory.

    money grows together - does Sberbank have a core account in xxx in Termania? or in Switzerland? Who has the tail pinched in the Russian Federation over the last year or two? which Western import substituted and did not buy their industrial products from the EU?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 February 2021 12: 15
      -3
      Colleague hi,
      Kremblevoty are now vainly "puffed up" by the intensified change. There are no arguments and will never be.
  • nemez
    nemez 12 February 2021 09: 13
    0
    Congratulations on your blindness.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 10 February 2021 11: 51
    +21
    Quote: Cube123
    These constant flickering of the hands drive the viewer into a trance.

    Are these all your comments? Is the rest of the investigations correct? Note that this is the first time the authorities are trying to refute Navalny's investigation. And he does it very unconvincingly. With the help of pro-government television broadcasters and bloggers, that is, emotionally. But why don't they sue bulk? Where is the official investigation?
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 February 2021 12: 05
      -3
      But pretend! This look
      Everything can be expressed so wonderfully!
      Ah, tricking me is not difficult! ...
      I'm glad to be deceived myself! (WITH)


      Stas hi,
      do not throw beads, you will not get anything intelligible from "these".
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 10 February 2021 12: 50
      +17
      Quote: Stas157
      But why don't they sue bulk?

      problemma looms with the courts! Some judges no longer want to go against the law and against their freedom - Simonovsky court example
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 10 February 2021 13: 24
        0
        They know the value of sentences, because they are afraid to change places with the defendants in the future.
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 10 February 2021 15: 53
        -2
        Quote: Silvestr
        Some judges no longer want to go against the law and against their freedom

        So let them be judged by the law.
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 10 February 2021 13: 56
      +7
      Quote: Stas157
      But why don't they sue bulk? Where is the official investigation?

      You were told ... a month later .. the Rotenberg palace belongs to .. they thought for a long time who to give a ride to the owner .. But everyone knows who Rothenberg is .. a childhood friend .. and everyone understands that his hand washes his hand ..
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 10 February 2021 14: 31
        +23
        Quote: Svarog
        You were told ... a month later ... the Rotenberg Palace belongs

        Consider that to Putin.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 10 February 2021 14: 32
          +4
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: Svarog
          You were told ... a month later ... the Rotenberg Palace belongs

          Consider that to Putin.

          You say Putin, you mean Rothenberg, you say Rothenberg, you mean Putin.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 10 February 2021 15: 03
            +4
            So the trees are green, after all, "family". Everything, incl. laws, trampled under themselves.

            Fragment taken from the movie "The Adventures of Captain Vrungel" (1976-1979)
          2. antivirus
            antivirus 10 February 2021 15: 49
            +1
            then it is clear to whom to enter for the sale of the Northern Territories ..... and Crimea ...... and Kamchatka ..... and Kaliningrad and Moscow. Peter is not for sale ... yet.
          3. Dart2027
            Dart2027 10 February 2021 15: 59
            -2
            Quote: Svarog
            You say Putin, you mean Rothenberg

            When the Crimean bridge was built, some of them also fought in hysterics, screaming about theft and shouting that they say they built a bridge in China, the cost is lower for each meter, etc. True, these truth-lovers for some reason forgot to clarify that in China it is just a viaduct that goes by land and crosses only an ordinary lake, and the KM was built through the sea strait and is intended for the movement of both cars and trains, which means completely different construction costs ...
  • New Year day
    New Year day 10 February 2021 12: 41
    +22
    Quote: Cube123
    Young people are especially susceptible. There is no life experience and psychological barriers are very weak.

    Why, then, is he giving this youth a weapon? Maybe that's why these young people are bullying their colleagues because they immediately recognize the difference between a picture in a box and life?
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  • Private89
    Private89 11 February 2021 18: 49
    +1
    What difference does it make to which bourgeois the palace belongs! The very fact that a narrow group of people live in palaces and own huge capital, and the overwhelming majority have nothing but their labor force, especially since all the wealth of this narrow group of people comes from the labor of this very majority - this is not acceptable, this is destroys a country and a people, stronger than any Americans. About Navalny, you can briefly say that he is no different from Putin, serves the same class of bourgeois, wants to change the facade, but not the essence of the system. No one is preparing greater shocks than the government itself, not wanting to serve people. Or maybe the pension reform adopted itself, money is exported over the hill, prices themselves rise, and the tariffs of natural monopolies raise themselves. And where is the state in all this, there is a feeling that it does not exist or that it is simply not ours, but theirs.
  • anclevalico
    anclevalico 17 February 2021 09: 25
    0
    I do not know, this is his "wiggling branches", on the contrary, infuriates me.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 10 February 2021 11: 34
    +14
    Fake story with Putin's "palace"

    What's the fake? The palace is in place, belongs (according to the official version) to a close friend (wallet) of the king, renovation is underway. Everything is like in Navalny's investigation. Nagging only in details and shortcomings of compilation (Navalny also warned about compilation).

    Why go there only pro-government zhurnalyug allowed and only for 1 hour? To avoid seeing too much? Why a private "hotel" on the lands of the FSB ?? Does the FSB also deal with vineyards? And about the non-flight zone is not at all convincing.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 10 February 2021 11: 50
      +5
      This construction has been going on for over ten years. Why were they silent? By the way, there was a report from Mash. Are they also pro-government?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 10 February 2021 11: 54
        +16
        Quote: 210ox
        By the way, there was a report from Mash. Are they also pro-government?

        Sure. Do you have a different version?

        Quote: 210ox
        This construction has been going on for over ten years.

        About ten years ago, as I understand it, the palace was built. Now they are rebuilding.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 February 2021 12: 09
          -1
          I trace this story almost from the very beginning - the land allocation process - when caring citizens raised a fuss over the barbaric deriban of the Federal Reserve, which a priori could not take place without a visa "himself". Then I tracked the chronology in publications and through cartographic services. A lot of irrefutable evidence, so trying to justify looks like bleating.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 10 February 2021 12: 20
          +2
          I have one version - there are enough such objects along the Kuban coast. And by the way, why is the anal one silent about the object in Krasnaya Polyana? It was built and Putin visits it regularly. Why is there no talk about Lukashenka's possessions? AND! Well, you can't make money on all this. I agree.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 10 February 2021 12: 36
            0
            Everything has its time. It is not Lukashenka who is ruining Russia, robbing and destroying its people.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 10 February 2021 12: 58
              0
              So the time has come! Why scattered? Youngsters go home, organizers who go where. Bey, Freddie! Where are the multimillion-dollar work collectives? And what? Do the pens fail? No, we didn’t do it well.
            2. Achilles
              Achilles 10 February 2021 14: 42
              -1
              Quote: lexus
              Everything has its time. It is not Lukashenka who is ruining Russia, robbing and destroying its people.

              If Putin is destroying, robbing and destroying the people, then this is the question:
              1.Why did Putin raise the Army? It’s not easier for him not to touch her at all, it’s also easier to destroy Russia, don’t you think?
              2. If Putin is a thief, as you say, why did he break up with the West, he would steal and be friends with the West as it was under Yeltsin, why did he return Crimea, so that later he would receive sanctions and hatred of the entire West, why all this. Isn't it easier to steal and be friends with the West?
              3. What is the destruction of the people, in the 90s there was no salary for six months and a year, pensions were not paid for six months, my grandmother and grandfather survived only at the expense of their garden, the word mortgage did not sound at all, and if it did sound then at crazy interest (now there is none), in order to receive certain documents, it was necessary to stand in long queues, now the MFC and almost everything can be done by e-mail, taxes can also be paid by e-mail, the declaration can also be signed electronically and sent to the Federal Tax Service, public services where you can do a lot. Yes, many factories were closed, but there are also ones that are reopening. Yes, there are a lot of problems, but talking about the destruction of the people is not at all correct, as a rule, many see only the negative, and do not notice the positive at all.
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 10 February 2021 14: 44
                +1
                Ride at your leisure in morgues and cemeteries, and then scratch your tongue.
                1. Achilles
                  Achilles 10 February 2021 15: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: lexus
                  Ride at your leisure in morgues and cemeteries, and then scratch your tongue.

                  What was required to prove. Many times I have asked elementary questions about the thief Putin, but I have never been, no one could clearly say why he should raise the Army, why go to enmity with the West, why annex Crimea, if he is a thief, he would just steal everything, but it turns out a lot of not docking. Everything is clear with you
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 10 February 2021 15: 52
                    +1
                    There will be no answers to questions in the style of a typical hen. Just "walk, Vasya".
                  2. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 10 February 2021 16: 00
                    -1
                    Quote: Achilles
                    Many times I asked elementary questions about the thief Putin, but I never did it, no one could clearly say why he should raise the Army, why go to enmity with the West, why annex Crimea

                    And what can they answer?
              2. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 11 February 2021 09: 20
                +5
                The army is a great place to make money from it - from supplying food, repairing / building, etc. and in general, where does the collapse of Russia and the army? Russia primarily has economic problems, not military ones.
                For the Crimea, we could have rolled in much better sanctions - look at Iran, I'm not sure that this is not an agreement - so as not to take the entire outskirts ..
                what does the 90s and 2021 have to do with it? and in 100 years we will remember them as an excuse? but in comparison with the besieged Leningrad, now everything is generally fine .. You are told about the official decline in population, but you found the advantages here too ..
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 10 February 2021 12: 51
        +21
        Quote: 210ox
        By the way, there was a report from Mash. Are they also pro-government?

        Whose NTV? Why is the deputy chief. editor quit after this video?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 10 February 2021 13: 57
          +4
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: 210ox
          By the way, there was a report from Mash. Are they also pro-government?

          Whose NTV? Why is the deputy chief. editor quit after this video?

          Not edited correctly wassat
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 10 February 2021 11: 50
      +4
      An hour to talk about his decoration, but in the end there is not even a screed?) Is this not a fake in your opinion?)
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 10 February 2021 11: 57
        +17
        Quote: carstorm 11
        but in the end there not even a screed

        Have you built a palace without a screed? The finished palace (without decoration) was even shown on the official TV! Do you know?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 10 February 2021 12: 05
          +1
          Internal screed) a. Apparently she was also ripped off when they fought with mold?)
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 45
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Internal screed) a. Apparently she was also ripped off when they fought with mold?)

            The tie is also removed, and quite quickly. Trust the construction person.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 10 February 2021 18: 33
              -6
              you know my brother went from concrete worker to director of a large construction company. So I believe him more. And you should first of all ask yourself why did you need to shoot it?) And if a successful civil engineer laughs at these stupid excuses, then I definitely won't listen to you)
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 18: 43
                +4
                Quote: carstorm 11
                you know, my brother went from concrete worker to director of a large construction company.

                And I myself personally removed the screed 10-15 cm thick.
                Quote: carstorm 11
                And you should first of all ask yourself the question why did you have to shoot it?)

                Possibly mold. A preservative can be added to the new screed. I don’t know for sure, but there can be many reasons for this during construction. Changing the layout of communications as an example.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 10 February 2021 18: 52
                  -4
                  Well, of course) ventilation sucks and mold has gone. Then they forgot something and decided to break the screed throughout the entire area. We will catch up with the compressors and dismantle it) this is all done quickly) well, we are building a building for 15 years to Putin) will wait another year))) big top pancake. They were able to build a Crimean bridge in a few years, and they are building the castle to Putin himself 15))) your head doesn't explode from all this nonsense? And then 15 damn years))) to fight mold, you do not need to remove the screed. Ventilation is not laid out on the floor. There, the level of finishing is zero. She just never was there.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 19: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    Then they forgot something and decided to break it down on the entire area

                    I redid the already completed work at the whim of the customer, and for additional. pay naturally. And more than once. Considering that I do not live in the richest city in Russia.
                    Here is a video that directly shows documents proving the connection of the palace with the FSO and the presidential administration.
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 11 February 2021 10: 38
                  -1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  And myself personally removed the screed 10-15 cm thick.

                  So what? Added .... knowledge? belay lol

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Possibly mold. В a new screed can be made preservative.

                  What kind of nonsense, "builder"? belay lol You build cakes / rolls, yes ...
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Do not know

                  This is understandable and so
                  My construction experience is 42 years.

                  I also had such cool objects (smaller, of course). They started very violently and stopped very abruptly for years (in which the owners were already rapidly changing).

                  At this time, the bare concrete box, yes, often became covered with mold inside (the black concrete of the corners have never been seen?): Perfect ventilation was simply not installed yet, and perfectly executed gutters were vomiting with ice in siphons and receiving funnels, flooding the premises with melt water.

                  This object is exactly like this: it was built, thrown, rotted, continued again, but was never finished, which can be seen from REAL filming. .. And the traces of the existing finish can only be hidden by the next finish, but there was none, although mold and floods, yes, there were.

                  So, roll up the stupid cartoons of your amerohosts into a tube and go there, along with the "real" photos centenary prescription.

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Here is a video that directly shows documents proving the connection of the palace with the FSO and the presidential administration.


                  angry They made me look at this nude of a young blue sucker who was sick from diarrhea propping up from the inside: WHERE it is written in the Contract that the Customer can not sell your share to anyone (and there is a share, which shows n 3,5, and after the end of construction, it is only UPDATED depending on the contribution, but the ban on selling your share no)? This tebilka did not answer, but a hundred times with anguish yelled about "our money".

                  An appeal to the Prosecutor's Office should be in the form of a Statement, and not in the form of hysterical screams of a sucker in a video (he is not a media outlet) - let him go and submit, and not stink ..

                  And you, by the way, can also arm yourself with it, write a statement, tear her off the sofa - and go!

                  And yes, where, as in the cartoon of a thief and a swindler, is there evidence that this house ... is precisely for Putin and for Putin?

                  Again, NOTHING.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 10 February 2021 12: 52
        +16
        Quote: carstorm 11
        but in the end there is not even a screed?)

        I don't have a screed in my barn either, but there is a barn laughing
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 10 February 2021 13: 06
          +2
          well this is not a barn. and the capital building that is being built for at least 10 years and even the screed during this time was not done, which, in principle, suggests that there was no trace of interior decoration.
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 10 February 2021 13: 58
        -1
        Quote: carstorm 11
        An hour to talk about his decoration, but in the end there is not even a screed?) Is this not a fake in your opinion?)

        Well, let's discuss where what was unfinished ..
    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 10 February 2021 12: 07
      0
      Quote: Stas157
      What's the fake?

      The fact that the whole film is a lie.
      Quote: Stas157
      Nagging only in the details

      Namely, the trial of details and distinguish the original from the fake.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 10 February 2021 12: 53
        +17
        Quote: Dart2027
        The fact that the whole film is a lie.

        go to court!
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 10 February 2021 13: 07
          -1
          why?) it is already sitting)
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 10 February 2021 14: 00
            +20
            Quote: carstorm 11
            why?) it is already sitting)

            Even the prosecutor Poklonskaya doubts the legality laughing
          2. bk316
            bk316 10 February 2021 14: 40
            -7
            it is already sitting)

            It doesn't just sit. It will sit for a long time.
            The article about slander is complete garbage compared to the organization of mass riots, and even treason in general will understand the watch.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 10 February 2021 15: 41
          -3
          Quote: Silvestr
          go to court!

          The court has already been.
  • Cron
    Cron 10 February 2021 11: 48
    0
    Quote: lexus
    Another "stop the thief" performed by thimblers. For everyone who watched the original video, the nonsense of the "guardians" is obvious (an eagle on the gate, like the Hermitage, the beginning of the fragment at 48:40).

    Yes, even like the LGBT community. What does all this have to do with Putin?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 46
      +3
      Quote: Cron
      Yes, even like the LGBT community

      To Volodin. bully
  • Ilya098
    Ilya098 10 February 2021 11: 58
    +2
    There really was a gate with an eagle from the Hermitage ... But in 2011. After they began to build a hotel on the site of the residence, the gates that were absolutely unnecessary (would interfere with the guests) for the hotel were removed and an arch with a black window was put in their place. Pay attention to your photo, the gate is mounted on black stones, now on my photo - now there are no stones, as well as the gate. But an arch with a black window appeared.

    Now about the coat of arms of Montenegro, this stupid mistake was made in the 3d model, and not in the frames 10 years ago, here is a video with a reference to time. as you can see the coat of arms of Montenegro
    1. Ilya098
      Ilya098 10 February 2021 13: 06
      0
      PS Sorry, typo.
      an arch with a black window was put in their place

      Not in place of the gate, but on the other side. "Arch with a window" existed before, but from different materials. And the transparency of the glass was different.
  • lucul
    lucul 10 February 2021 12: 00
    0
    For everyone who watched the original video, the "guardians" bullshit is obvious

    I don’t understand something, do you still believe that everything is true in this film by Navalny? No, do you seriously believe it?
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 10 February 2021 12: 13
      +23
      Quote: lucul
      I don’t understand something, do you still believe that everything is true in this Navalny film? Not , seriously believe ?

      Only confused people believe or not. But they usually do. Others only trust facts.

      There is a palace, it is standing still. Belongs (according to the official version) to a close friend and part-time wallet of the king. Renovation in progress. There is a no-fly zone. All these private buildings with vineyards are located in an amazing way on the lands of the FSB ...

      These are the facts. Now put them together. What's the result?
      1. lucul
        lucul 10 February 2021 12: 20
        -4
        There is a palace, it is standing still .....

        Renovation in progress .....

        These are the facts. Now put them together. What's the result?

        So in the film, the palace is shown WITHOUT REPAIR, with excellent interior decoration.
        What is it like ? Can you explain? )))
        Or is it purely faith? )))
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 10 February 2021 12: 26
          +22
          Quote: lucul
          So the film shows the palace WITHOUT REPAIR

          Well yes. The film showed the palace BEFORE renovation (compilation, Navalny warned about this). And now they are renovating. This was also mentioned in the film. In fact, all these "refutations" did not reveal any global contradictions with the film. But the emotion is under pressure.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 10 February 2021 12: 46
            +6
            They are funny and have already squeezed out what they could. It all smells bad.

            Collage taken from the vastness of the "sovereign" Runet
          2. andrew42
            andrew42 10 February 2021 12: 51
            +8
            Zaputin's "patritots" strenuously omit the fact that the cost of capital construction is an order of magnitude higher than the cost of some kind of finishing / interior decoration / design. And what about the market value of the land? - Not even a plot, but Land tenure! (on reserved lands, go as ransom, try, this is how much you need to "give" and then not to be thrown). Instead, they stubbornly poke at "ripped off wallpaper" and "debauched park". Still, it's clear as daylight - the palace is registered with one of Putin's sidekicks. It is written down, because it is at least uncomfortable to use such possession "in one mug". I don’t know if Putin’s friends have a place there for a comfortable gangway, or something like that. In any case, the ownership right here is obviously a pure formality. This is what the bastard Lyosha uses, pinning the Putin barchuk. And for those poor fellows, it is weak to say that "New Artek" is a toad strangling, and then suddenly you will have to really be responsible for the "all-Union health resort". So they are poured with bulk for this "suitcase without a handle". In such cases, my grandmother would say: What is this noise? - Yes, a thief stole a club from a thief. :))
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 10 February 2021 13: 11
              -2
              but if you do not blurt out the fact that in the film there are a lot of lies that have already proven hundreds of times what comes out?)))
              1. andrew42
                andrew42 10 February 2021 13: 24
                +6
                Well, again, "for the fish money." Q.E.D. There are a lot of lies about little things, but the essence does not change. In a just state, such a matter should not be dealt with by Navalny-Cossack, but the Prosecutor's Office, which should be on the drum with "eagles at the gates" and overfilling the floors.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 10 February 2021 14: 02
                  -7
                  Actually, it changes) what should the prosecutor's office be doing? Navalro, if only for knowingly false and distorted facts.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 10 February 2021 19: 03
                    +24
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    only for knowingly false and distorted facts.

                    so go to court for libel! And instead of a court, he went to court, and on trumped-up charges. You didn't go to work because of illness, and you were fired. You shout, "I have a sick leave!" - And the owner replies: "I can't read." And fired you. Legal?
                  2. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 11 February 2021 03: 17
                    -1
                    I don't care about their honor and dignity at all. I was not accused. And if you were fired due to illness, then your master is stupid as a traffic jam, since this is a violation of the law. And it will not be enough for him in case of your appeal to the necessary authorities. The prosecutor's office loves such people. Write a statement and he will be punished very harshly.
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 10 February 2021 16: 02
                -4
                Quote: andrew42
                Well, again, "money for the fish." Q.E.D. There are a lot of lies about little things, but the essence does not change.

                That is, it is not possible to refute the lies, so you need to distract attention with loud words.
          3. Stas157
            Stas157 10 February 2021 14: 21
            +28
            Quote: andrew42
            Zaputin's "patritots" strenuously omit the fact that the cost of capital construction is an order of magnitude higher than the cost of some kind of finishing / interior decoration / design.

            The other day I got an apartment in a new building. Naturally, it is also unfinished! However, no one says that there is no apartment or that it is cheap, since there is no decoration. But for some reason, such a trick works with Putin's palace. Where is the logic?))
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 10 February 2021 15: 01
              +19
              The palace is not renovated ... Now the upholstery will be glued quickly, the laminate will be thrown over, the ceilings will be stretched ... and I don't want to live! Yes, they will also screw the eagle from the barn into place))) The palace is, after all, not a dormitory, as some people here want to portray.
          4. lucul
            lucul 10 February 2021 15: 25
            -6
            Putin's "patritots" strenuously omit the fact that the cost of capital construction is an order of magnitude higher than the cost of some kind of finishing / interior decoration / design. And what about the market value of the land? - Not even a plot, but Land tenure! (on reserved lands, go as a ransom, try, this is how much you need to "give" and so that you will not be thrown later)

            Sorosets still can’t take it into their heads that if Putin's goal was personal enrichment, he would privatize a couple of factories, on his own, back in 2000, on the sly, and that's it.
            Would grab a couple of billions of dollars and flee abroad, like Yatsenyuk, after his FIRST term, he would have had enough money to die.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 10 February 2021 16: 05
              +4
              Quote: lucul
              then if Putin's goal was personal enrichment, then he would privatize a couple of factories

              Why does he need a plant? wassat When he has all of Russia .. and the Bank of Russia ..
              Quote: lucul
              Would have grabbed a couple of billions of dollars and fled abroad, like Yatsenyuk

              And who would give him guarantees that his billions will remain?
              What are you guys naive ..
            2. Stas157
              Stas157 10 February 2021 16: 09
              +23
              Quote: lucul
              The little pigs still can't take it into their heads

              Who are you talking to? To the confused people in every corner, the Soros and the agents of the State Department are imagining!

              Quote: lucul
              Would grab a couple of billions of dollars and leave to go abroad

              Why run abroad if you can constantly grab and not run anywhere? After all, there are no 350 thousand Russian guards abroad who protect you around the clock.
              1. lucul
                lucul 10 February 2021 17: 09
                -5
                To the confused people in every corner, the Soros and the agents of the State Department are imagining!

                I want to remind you that Stalin, during his lifetime, was also credited with the mythical stolen million rubles, and after his death, they dug everything there, hoping to find a hint of where they were hidden.
                People don't change - this hook still works)))
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 10 February 2021 17: 11
                  +19
                  Quote: lucul
                  Stalin, during his lifetime, was also credited with the mythical stolen million rubles

                  Are you sober
              2. Dart2027
                Dart2027 10 February 2021 18: 03
                -5
                Quote: Stas157
                aputenians in every corner of the Soros and agents of the State Department are imagining!

                And therefore, the law that those who are held by foreign structures must warn that they are foreign agents has caused such mad rage.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 10 February 2021 13: 13
          -8
          you have already shown an arch where there is no gate at all, and even nowhere to put them and that there was no decoration in the building yet. all the same, don't understand why)
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 10 February 2021 13: 10
      -1
      my parents have a house in the frontier zone in Kazakevichevo near Khabarovsk) do not believe there, too, and quadrics cannot be started up and we pass through the border guards of the FSB every time and what?) there are hundreds if not thousands of such places around the country
    3. 210ox
      210ox 10 February 2021 17: 25
      +2
      I say again, these palaces are smaller and even larger (near Sochi, for example) the coastline from Dolzhanskaya Spit to Vesyoliy is built up. Let's investigate this. And there may be Putin as the owner. And then the record stuck. And I repeat, I don't like this power. But this trash of the last six months has caused vomiting. This "investigation" has been going on since the arrest of a certain "ecologist" who was successful over the hill eight years ago. Didn't itch before?
  • 210ox
    210ox 10 February 2021 12: 23
    -3
    Sometimes dogs are trained to a certain sound. Or a herd of turkeys, whatever you shout. Putin !!! And away we go.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 10 February 2021 14: 02
    +26
    Quote: lucul
    I don’t understand something, do you still believe that everything is true in this Navalny film?

    So even Rotenberg did not refute Navalny! I believe Rotenberg infinitely
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 10 February 2021 14: 34
      +9
      Quote: Silvestr
      So even Rotenberg did not refute Navalny! I believe Rotenberg infinitely

      Surprisingly, the Zaputins do not trust Rotenberg, whom Putin believes ... even among the Kremlin propagandists, confusion turns out.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 February 2021 18: 51
    -4
    But what about - to breed suckers, then you need the work of a professional anal thimbler in the Internet format.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 10 February 2021 12: 08
    +5
    Quote: lexus
    For everyone who watched the original video, the nonsense of the "guards" is obvious (the eagle on the gate, like the Hermitage, the beginning of the fragment at 48:40).

    This whole situation with Navalny was completely created by the authorities themselves. And answering the question is stupidity or treason, the correct answer is stupidity. The Russian authorities, of course, cannot and do not want to oppose the world of the countries of the 1st capital of the world, they want to be a part of it. But here the point is also that over 30 years, the Yeltsin-Putin regime has absolutely degraded in terms of personnel.
    They can’t not steal properly, they can’t guard. Starting from the defendants of the Lake cooperative themselves, ending with ordinary propagandists.
    They just can't do otherwise.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 February 2021 12: 48
      +3
      A harbor thimblegub to a baby in the 20th knee is not a match and never will be.
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 10 February 2021 12: 54
      0
      Well, don't underestimate so much. In "guarding" they were quite successful.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 10 February 2021 18: 22
        +8
        Quote: andrew42
        Well, don't underestimate so much. In "guarding" they were quite successful.

        Well, if in the context of a multi-million-strong army of police / national guard / FSB / FSO / chop, etc. and put them to guard the loot, yes, but you don't need to be smart about it. But it is simply impossible to hide it normally and calmly use it even on the territory of the Russian Federation. Take Putin's palace, ah, forgive the Rottenberg hotel, because they set fire to the hut. All 100 billion or how many of them are down the drain. I'm not talking about foreign assets.
        And after all, the FSB, monitoring Navalny's people 24/7, missed all preparations for the investigation completely, but how they screwed up with the surveillance when they were simply knocked through the bases that other "siloviki" trade, and Kudryavtsev's "case". ?
        Take anyone here: here, God forgive me, Minister Lavrov, with his statements that Navalny was poisoned in Germany itself, either on a flight there, or saying that the Stasi archives can only be accessed through the special services, after which he was poked into the NTV story in one second from these archives. Well, and so on, and so on.
        As Gr. Shvonder said "It's just some kind of shame" .....
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 10 February 2021 14: 04
      +22
      Quote: Odyssey
      This whole situation with Navalny was completely created by the authorities themselves.

      Moreover, he is part of this power. Like Siluanov! Didn't justify the trust and sat down. So everyone will sit down and those who judge, but later. Dissatisfaction is an objective process
    4. lucul
      lucul 10 February 2021 15: 33
      -3
      But here the point is also that over 30 years the Yeltsin-Putin regime has absolutely degraded in terms of personnel.
      They can’t not steal properly, they can’t guard. Starting from the defendants of the Lake cooperative themselves, ending with ordinary propagandists.

      And therefore, the West is hysterical, because it cannot cope with Putin's Russia, it gives you money to Sorosyats so that you can scribble posts like a machine gun.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 10 February 2021 19: 09
        +22
        Quote: lucul
        And so the West is hysterical, because it cannot cope with Putin's Russia

        Oh, is it? How is the treasury doing there after the fall in oil and gas prices? Where are "SP-2" and "Turkish Stream", "Power of Siberia"? Did you bring a lot of money to the treasury? The USSR could not compete with the West, it survived, and today's Russia is far from a Union. Here the Germans offered to freeze the "streams", the Americans - a partial oil embrago. You will be like North. Korea to buy food from Ethiopians? Russia's technological lag for decades now, and after the trade war? Name at least one completely Russian product ...
        1. lucul
          lucul 10 February 2021 19: 21
          -8
          Oh oh

          I wonder where you have been for the last 20 years ..... you are behind the times for exactly this period.
          Name at least one completely Russian product ...

          Is Sputnik V okay? )))
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 10 February 2021 19: 47
            +25
            Quote: lucul
            Is Sputnik V okay?

            so, what is next? A vaccine with a non-obvious result, like the others. What else is there?
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 11 February 2021 14: 00
            +1
            Well, it seems, yes, but! active pharmaceutical substances (APS) on the basis of which Sputnik V is made - we buy 93,2% of the total in China; production also falls on overseas capacities, since their "drank" .. well, yes, our invention, but the production is not very ..
  • bk316
    bk316 10 February 2021 14: 37
    -2
    Leshenka are you bulk or what? See what you want?
    Gentlemen and comrades, visitors to VO, you really do not see that the film is drawn (the gate, too).
    You wrote smart comments about the pictures of the downed Boeing and the traces of the bombing in Syria ...
    Have you lost your sight? You can immediately see that this is a cartoon, even without a storyboard.
    All the interior and the gates and much more are drawn roughly and hastily.
    And they do not deny this at the headquarters of the bulk. They just say believe they will buy and assemble what we have drawn. laughing
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 10 February 2021 14: 48
      +2
      I give permission to you. I don’t demand to kiss my hands and beat my forehead, as I am used to. Free.
      1. bk316
        bk316 10 February 2021 15: 30
        -1
        For "you" must be earned, even for "you" must be earned, as well as respect in general.
        Here Sylvester deserved "you", and Svarog "you", although I consider them enemies of the Russian state.
        And why would I turn to you to Lexus, it's a Japanese foreign car like laughing
        Of course, there is no there in advanced AI models, it is already under the power of carbon copy comments to blurt out, but this should be respected by the developers. However, this applies to the absolute majority of the bulk, from the developed over the hill they often deserve respect, and they themselves are an empty place, shkolota and city madmen. But you are not like Lesha? You won't fool a thoughtful person on chaff laughing
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 10 February 2021 16: 05
          +3
          Even from the twentieth time, the story of my nickname and my attitude to Navalny / Putin have not reached you. These are already symptoms and a clinic of a disappointing diagnosis. Alas, I can’t help.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 10 February 2021 17: 03
          +24
          Quote: bk316
          Here Sylvester deserved "you", and Svarog "you", although I I consider them enemies of the state Russian.

          And how is this manifested? They don't like Putin as much as you do?
          1. bk316
            bk316 11 February 2021 12: 00
            -6
            And here they openly want the GDP to change the system, that is, to change the existing state.
            Moreover, the legal path (elections) is treated with skepticism, to put it mildly. Which allows us to conclude about the violent path.
            Do you realize that although at 17 Russia remained Russia, the state has changed?

            I have already written about the GDP more than once. I do not love him - I am grateful to him.
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 11 February 2021 12: 12
              +22
              Quote: bk316
              they openly want to change the formation

              At least half the site likes socialism more than capitalism! Are you writing them all down as enemies ??

              Quote: bk316
              Moreover, the legal path (elections) is, to put it mildly with skepticism.

              Do you truly believe that elections can change something? Especially in the Russian version, when elections are without choice! Kindergarten!)) Can you give at least one case when the system would have changed as a result of elections? Not? Dreamer.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 11 February 2021 13: 20
                -5
                Quote: Stas157
                At least half the site likes socialism more than capitalism!

                But practically all of them, speaking about this socialism, tell some kind of idealistic tales that had nothing to do with the real USSR.
              2. bk316
                bk316 11 February 2021 16: 54
                -2
                ) Can you give at least one case when the system would have changed as a result of elections?

                So I also do not claim it. You asked why the enemies of the state. I replied.
              3. bk316
                bk316 11 February 2021 17: 00
                +2
                Are you writing them all down as enemies ??

                By no means, I also like socialism more, I don't like revolutions. And I DON'T CATEGORALLY LIKE the coups on the money of the West arranged by the abomination. Is this clear?
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 11 February 2021 22: 00
                  +20
                  Quote: bk316
                  I also like socialism more, I don't like revolutions.

                  So you are dissembling. Because one cannot exist without the other.
        3. Overlock
          Overlock 10 February 2021 19: 11
          +24
          Quote: bk316
          ... although I consider them enemies of the Russian state.

          and you are considered an enemy of the Russian state. How much damage you have done to the country!
          1. bk316
            bk316 11 February 2021 16: 54
            -4
            ) Can you give at least one case when the system would have changed as a result of elections?

            And what harm have I done? Will we be responsible for the market?
            Who counts? You and I have about the same number of comments, but my rating is 2,5 times higher. Maybe you are an enemy or are you just enemies of the state here on VO?
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 11 February 2021 21: 40
              +1
              3164 is approximately equal to 6971? How do you run the office, "director"? Eyesight, and, apparently, not only, it would not hurt to check. In addition to the rating, there is nothing to brag about. But you better keep quiet about him, child. Especially about the last spurt to the "big star", when in one evening your girlfriends, "order sisters", more than 20 thousand "prayed" or "burst into tears". Honestly, I do not care how your "boarding house for noble maidens" called the process of mutual "blowing", but the demand "for the market" from your kind is excluded, and you have the right to count on arrival at the appropriate cell. There you will sing about your grievances and talk about how you got down to it.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 12 February 2021 10: 26
              +21
              Quote: bk316
              And what harm have I done? Will we be responsible for the market?

              typical "Why me?"
              Quote: bk316
              .. even though I consider them enemies of the Russian state.

              I do not like request
              what nonsense!
              Quote: bk316
              they openly want to change the system, that is, to change the existing state.

              Give our words on this matter. As a rule, not one of you like this has yet been able to confirm anything.
              1. bk316
                bk316 12 February 2021 12: 35
                -1
                Give our words on this matter.

                Excuse me, Sylvester, maybe I'm misinterpreting your words. Answer bluntly: Do you want to change the system to a socialist one?
  • kristofer
    kristofer 10 February 2021 14: 53
    -1
    eagle on the gate, like the Hermitage

    not that kind of eagle. different images on the shield. and the crowns are a problem
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 February 2021 17: 54
      +4
      Which one is wrong? Exactly the same as on the gates of the Winter Palace.
  • cdrt
    cdrt 11 February 2021 00: 38
    0
    Bggg. Those who believe in God do not care Lesha. You and mudroom gobble up with a chomp
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 10 February 2021 11: 10
    +5
    Quote: aars
    Nothing is over, there will be a continuation, and more than one.

    And what do you think will happen? Continuation of what? Appeals to the bulk of the protests not to stop? Duck violent will be figured out and isolated quickly. Navalny does not have the support of the People, and never will.
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 10 February 2021 11: 23
      -2
      Depose? Whom to overthrow? Lesha is not as simple as it seems to many. That is why they put up with him for so long, and even now he was like "imprisoned" in such a light way. It is said that one person gave his word not to involve the relatives of the "family" .... wink And if it is about the essence of the topic, then Lesha-Sisyan's film is not about the "palace". The "palace" is just an entourage, against the background of which the family-clan-friendly ties of the ruling elite and "close businessmen" in the country are revealed "capitalism) -their interaction, interweaving of relations and so on. By the way, Lesha's film is, in fact, such a "light-n ...". On Youtube there is also "hardcore" on this topic and not from Lesha ... For example: "Kry ...... ....... stvo". Why is Lesha doing this? Yes, figs knows, someone might spin it .... to replace himself. wink By the way, have you read Lesha's program as president? There are many interesting things. By the way ... he is not going to give Crimea away ... wink
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 10 February 2021 11: 52
        -1
        Exactly) hidden meanings are so easy to look for) especially when they are not there) no one spends a lot of time on graphics so that the meaning is not at all about it) there are hundreds of ways to make it much easier)
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 10 February 2021 13: 03
        -1
        Lyosha Navalny is really a figurine, quite used by Putin and Co. This is one of the channels of drainage of popular indignation into the toilet. There was / is a drain "Zhirinovsky's canal" - has dried up, but it still works. There was a drain channel of "fair" Russia, - a complete political bankrupt. Even Ksyusha was allowed to run, - gentlemen-designers do not disdain in any way. Here is the languidly-long-playing "agent of world capital" Navalny - a man necessary, like a rhino in a zoo. The authorities have only one fear - lest the young people come up with the RAF or something like that. Here and Navalny will do. There are no ideological differences, - loot wins the good, and perfectly reduces the population of the resource-export Territory. Ideological companions, they are vigorous at their roots.
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 10 February 2021 14: 01
        +5
        Quote: Snail N9
        By the way, have you read Lesha's program as president? There are many interesting things. By the way ... he is not going to give Crimea away ...

        I looked like Chichvarkin, who said that if Lesha turned to the socialists, he would not have money .. and Lesha assured him that this would not happen .. Which actually convinced me of the uselessness of this character. (Navalny)
        1. bk316
          bk316 10 February 2021 16: 48
          0
          What actually convinced me of the uselessness of this character.

          Svarog, he will now turn anywhere. But why do you need this shit?
          You have no real leaders on the left, but there are decent people, why do you bastards.
          Than to vilify GDP better educate a real leader with leftist views, the party is in the end normal, and not a parody of the Communist Party.
          And the people will support you, even I think that it is boring to keep the course to the left, only this must be done without a booze, we will not allow a revolution.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 10 February 2021 16: 56
            0
            Quote: bk316
            Svarog, he will now turn anywhere. But why do you need this shit?

            And what do I support Navalny? Where did you see this?
            You have no real leaders on the left, but there are decent people, why do you bastards.

            Why not, Platoshkin is a decent person and he will make a leader. And we really don't need scoundrels.
            Than to vilify GDP better educate a real leader with leftist views, the party is in the end normal, and not a parody of the Communist Party.

            So how can you not revile him, if he jails everyone ... if he killed the possibility of fair elections, if he appointed himself for life, if he brought the country to the point that every year we are getting 500 tons less.
            It infuriates the fact that, in general, the socialists did not leave any chances ... I do not consider any opportunists who have dug in in the Duma as such ..
            And the people will support you, even I think that it is boring to keep the course to the left, only this must be done without a booze, we will not allow a revolution.

            Yes, I am all for .. for the course to the left .. for what would be without a booze .. But really you do not see that they will not give .. Well, look at Platoshkin, where there is generally a criminal article .. They are not afraid of Navalny. .they are afraid of the socialists .. is it really not clear.
      4. New Year day
        New Year day 10 February 2021 14: 31
        +22
        Quote: Snail N9
        have you read Lesha's program as president?

        why read? It is unrealistic as if the sun rose in the West.
      5. astepanov
        astepanov 10 February 2021 14: 35
        +7
        And yet, there is something strange about all this. Navalny also ran into the gene. the prosecutor, and the prime minister - and both got off with indistinct complaints, without even thinking to write a statement to the prosecutor's office about libel and a desire to protect honor and personal dignity. Why's that? And why didn't Putin go to court? Maybe they just don't want to stir the dirty laundry, which is enough? But, it would seem, what is easier - if he is clean, then go to court, show that the government is white, like angel wings, and then Mr. Navalny would have been working for a couple of years in areas with high coefficients.
        The same - oddities with poisoning: it is incredibly difficult for a “newbie” to “slightly prim”. It is necessary to scrupulously measure out tiny doses, set up a multitude of experiments with Navalny's cowards: how much will be absorbed, how much will fall on liberal hams and genitals, and how to get into the game: so that he does not fumigate and get it in full? And convince Navalny; You, good sir, just change your panties just before you leave for the airport, otherwise we will not be able to carry out a terrorist attack, the bonuses will be deprived.
        If we would like to poison it, we would poison it to death and without fear of finding poison: firstly, you can almost always shut your mouths, and secondly, it’s impossible to find a few milligrams of poison in an ordinary hospital: we don’t have mass spectrometers and specialists in our hospitals. qualifications for combat OV. Something I remembered a revolutionary song: "As the enemy did not sneer at you, you were surrounded by our own. We ourselves, dear, closed your eagle eyes." So if there was poisoning, then one of the associates tried.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 10 February 2021 16: 08
          -2
          Quote: astepanov
          And why didn't Putin go to court? Maybe they just don't want to stir the dirty laundry, which is enough? But, it would seem, what is easier - if he is clean, then sue, show that the government is white

          Think about why Berezovsky and Abramovich were suing in London? And they had to blurt out so many interesting things during the proceedings ..
          1. bk316
            bk316 10 February 2021 16: 50
            -2
            Think about why Berezovsky and Abramovich were suing in London?

            And I know the answer to this question. Do you know that? It's not so easy to explain to me a lawyer who has been working in England for 20 years ...
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 10 February 2021 16: 58
              -2
              Quote: bk316
              Think about why Berezovsky and Abramovich were suing in London?

              And I know the answer to this question. Do you know that? It's not so easy to explain to me a lawyer who has been working in England for 20 years ...

              I also know .. but I am ready to listen to your version .. especially since a lawyer who has worked in England for 20 years may supplement my knowledge.
              1. bk316
                bk316 11 February 2021 11: 56
                0
                Everything is very simple, their testimonies outweigh the pieces of paper even in civil proceedings. Since neither one nor the other had pieces of paper, everyone considered his testimony to be his strong point. If not for this, most likely it would have been a court in the Netherlands. Both non-residents disappear from the USA.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 10 February 2021 11: 28
      +15
      I just want to answer this already famous:
      "Boring girls."

      Not only boring, already sick and tired! I just want to answer the famous already:
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 10 February 2021 11: 29
      +5
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Navalny does not have the support of the People, and never will.

      His small, lured electorate, but no more.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 10 February 2021 14: 02
        +5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Hunter 2
        Navalny does not have the support of the People, and never will.

        His small, lured electorate, but no more.

        Across the country, hundreds of thousands .. not much fed? How many more sympathizers? Which didn't come out ..
        1. honda
          honda 10 February 2021 17: 11