"Theoretically, you can not fly": the Su-57 received the most automated cockpit

The Russian fifth-generation multirole fighter Su-57 received a cockpit with the maximum degree of process automation. This is stated in the magazine of the United Aircraft Corporation "New Horizons".

According to the publication, the process of piloting and combat use is maximally automated on the Su-57 fighter. Thanks to this, it was possible to create a single-seat multi-role fighter, and not a two-seat version, where weapons control is entrusted to the co-pilot.

Theoretically, the pilot, after taking off and until the moment of landing, may not fly at all, but search and attack targets. Moreover, this process is also sufficiently automated.

- said the head of the cabins department of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, Nikita Dorofeev.

According to him, automation, information integration and intelligent support were the defining requirements for the ergonomics of the fifth generation fighter's cockpit. The intelligent support system installed on the aircraft helps the pilot to carry out combat missions. It is emphasized that it does this not only on the basis of the current situation, but also taking into account the forecast of its development.

Earlier it was reported that the Su-57 may receive a two-seat version, this option is being considered in the interests of a foreign customer. The option of ordering a two-seat fighter for the Russian Aerospace Forces is not excluded.

Comments

[poquello]

The option of ordering a two-seat fighter for the Russian Aerospace Forces is not excluded.

tourists with cadets to ride

[Temples]

Exactly. To sit down a tourist to the cadet.

[Petroff]

No, for instructor and student.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: petroff

No, for instructor and student.

Earlier it was reported that the Su-57 may receive a two-seat version, this option is being considered in the interests of a foreign customer. The option of ordering a two-seat fighter for the Russian Aerospace Forces is not excluded.

Aha, the maximally automated single-seat combat helicopter KA-50 "Black Shark" has already been created and where is it ?!
Since there is a possibility of creating a 2-seat fighter, then it will be requested in the Ministry of Defense.

[Sevastiec]

Ka-50, created 40 years ago. Do you think that progress has not stepped forward for almost half a century? Despite the fact that the Shark also flew and fought quite well.

[poquello]

Quote: petroff

No, for instructor and student.

what for is this plane instructor? show five buttons?

[hirurg]

Theoretically, the pilot, after taking off and until the moment of landing, may not fly at all, but search and attack targets. Moreover, this process is also sufficiently automated.
That is, to engage in the selection of targets for destruction in the first place.
But this is only if you yourself were not attacked.
But most of all I am jarred by the word THEORETICAL. It crosses out EVERYTHING.
Theoretically, I will change the liver of Uncle Vasya. But problems practically begin.

[Ka-52]

Theoretically, I will change the liver of Uncle Vasya. But problems practically begin.

why are you raising fuss? Piloting systems in automatic mode on airbuses for some reason do not surprise you, but here it is necessary - immediately. Modern IUS software now takes over a fairly large amount of information processing and control of combat aircraft control elements.

[Petroff]

An instructor is needed not by an airplane, but by a cadet

[poquello]

Quote: petroff

An instructor is needed not by an airplane, but by a cadet

why are you so stubborn? this is an automated system, the second place for her as a cow saddle, the case of such a need is very specific

[Petroff]

Not to her, but to the instructor and the cadet. In which case, the instructor must take control. Are you a pilot !?

[poquello]

Quote: petroff

Not to her, but to the instructor and the cadet. In which case, the instructor must take control. Are you a pilot !?

) no, I'm a submachine gunner

[Runoway]

tourists with cadets to ride

At least for Yasnasolnyshka, he loves to ride on everything

[Guru]

automation, information integration and intelligent support were defining requirements for the ergonomics of the fifth generation fighter's cockpit.

An interesting concept, not just a smart helmet, but the entire cockpit.

[credo]

Quote: Guru

automation, information integration and intelligent support were defining requirements for the ergonomics of the fifth generation fighter's cockpit.

An interesting concept, not just a smart helmet, but the entire cockpit.

Yes, this is by the way in addition to the article on helmets, given their high cost and stuffed with functions. It may be really to use the functionality of the aircraft and its radars to the maximum, so that all the numerous information is displayed on the cockpit instruments, and it is only for the pilot to leave the decision-making and manual control.

[dauria]

to display all the numerous information on the cockpit instruments

Another thing is interesting ... Since there is an LCD display, it would be necessary to force the cameras. On the keel, on the wing console. Look at the tail, at the belly. In fact, the tail is on fire and the pieces fall off or it is tolerable, the tire is smashed into pieces or it seems. Places, weights and prices are minuscule, but the benefits are huge. No need for a follower or RP to call "Look, what's there"

[krot]

Quote: dauria

we should also have cameras

I think instead of cameras "Rita" will tell you everything .. And you don't need to watch.

[dauria]

"Rita" will tell it all.

Well, well ... Either the sensor, or the whole board is dripping with oil. She is an intelligent woman, she will say "Emergency fuel residue", but she will modestly keep silent about the fact that the train from the holes has been following you for half an hour. And do not you ask her, "Hey, broody, we aim at something to hold on tight, you do not know?"

[lis-ik]

Quote: Guru

automation, information integration and intelligent support were defining requirements for the ergonomics of the fifth generation fighter's cockpit.

An interesting concept, not just a smart helmet, but the entire cockpit.

Interesting. and at whose expense the banquet, the element base is really domestic, if so, then I fully applaud the delays and bringing to mind.

[Wedmak]

And there we don't need universal Intel and AMD ... We don't really have these, but we ate more than one dog on the RISC architecture. I would not be surprised if there is something like Elbrus.

[Errr]

"Elbrusov" there is not a lot, that is. they are not there at all, but this thing, nicknamed the on-board computer of the IMA BK architecture, is quite remarkable. There, inside, there is a filling in the form of four VLSI 1888ТХ018, each of which has two not weak PowerPC 470 cores, and so on. four NMC3 cores, again, each. Look at the address https://www.module.ru/uploads/products/0032019-4224f2691c.pdf

[Guru]

"Elbrusov" there is not a lot, that is. they are not there at all, but this thing, nicknamed the on-board computer of the IMA BK architecture, is quite remarkable. smile There, inside, there is a filling in the form of four VLSI 1888TH018, each of which has two not at all weak PowerPC 470 cores, and so on. four NMC3 cores, again, each. Look at the address

I looked, of course, I was impressed, as far as I remember, there are 80486 IBMs in the Raptor, which is why they could not agree with the Fu-35. And here is practically a gaming computer.
8 computing cores - PowerPC 470S; 16 computing cores-NeuroMatrix NMC3;
More than 16 GB RAM with EC; More than 1 TB of EPROM
Integrated graphics controller with hardware acceleration
Built-in redundant interface switch based
Fiber Channel; 12 redundant bi-directional Fiber channels
Channel based on real-time profile; 5 optical channels
ARINC 818-1 video transmission interface
24 channels of serial code exchange interface according to GOST
18977-79 (ARINC 429)

[Errr]

Quote: Guru

And here is practically a gaming computer.

Apparently this is also why the potential partners of the Su-57 were called "Criminal", that opposition to such intelligence is no longer a toy.

[ironic]

Those. percent western. Import substitution has not yet arrived here. The F-35 has a raid of three dual-processor PowerPC 6XX modules. By the way, in the Raptor there was at first a block of it seems like 33 boards for the i960MX, and not what you wrote, then they began to upgrade it to PowerPC too.

[Guru]

They did not install such a processor on the Raptors.

Read it carefully.
https://topwar.ru/21126-problemy-istrebitelya-f-22-raptor-chast-i-ekonomika.html

[ironic]

If you are talking about mentioning the 486th in the article, then read it yourself, I'm still right, he did not stand on the Raptors from the very beginning. And I was mistaken a little, i960MX modules are not 33 but 35.

[Wedmak]

Thank you, interesting information.

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: lis-ik

the element base is really domestic

This has already been repeatedly told and shown. Everything is there

[Guru]

Interesting. and at whose expense the banquet, the element base is really domestic, if so, then I fully applaud the delays and bringing to mind.

I will delight you colleague, the element base is already its own, but it is done piecemeal.

[ironic]

Oops, you might be very disappointed if you find out who created the core logic of power-pussies.

[lis-ik]

We don't like questions of substance, even without sarcasm, or are they brutal putinoids?

[Magic archer]

I read something about the fact that the Americans regretted that they abandoned the two-seater version of the F-22. The same F-15, the new modifications will be two-seater. One man controls the plane, the other pilot is engaged in combat missions. Plus, it is more convenient to train young pilots on the twin. The simulator will not teach everything. I hope ours will create a two-seat version of the Su-57

[Wedmak]

The two-seater version would be ideal for pairing with the Hunter UAV. The co-pilot could control several of these UAVs, which would increase the capabilities by an order of magnitude.

[El Chuvachino]

And one can. UAV control consists in the pilot's choice of behavior models with their own scenarios and algorithms.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Wedmak

The two-seater version would be ideal for pairing with the Hunter UAV. The co-pilot could control several of these UAVs, which would increase the capabilities by an order of magnitude.

And what is there to control? The UAV "sees" the target, either through its own radar, through the leader's radar, or through both at once. Identification of "friend or foe" is the simplest. You just need to give the command "hit the strangers" and synchronize the distribution of goals. For this, a person is not needed; a computer will cope better with this.
And if there are several UAVs, then no operator can cope with the distribution of targets. Moreover, with control.

[keeper03]

It should be so !!!

[Vlad5307]

In fact, a step has been taken in the direction of an unmanned analogue of the Su-57, and the interface with the Hunter UAV is already being worked out during the tests. I think the corresponding software for this has been / is being developed. And this is already such a good-grove tandem, and even target designation with AWACS if here, it turns out just a song. Well, let's see what it will result in.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Comrades pilots, tell me, if the machine gun is piloting and the pilot is busy fighting, will the automatics shake the soul out of the pilot? After all, the overloads in this limousine are huge? Maybe I didn’t quite accurately ask the question, sorry, not special ..

[poquello]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Comrades pilots, tell me, if the machine gun is piloting and the pilot is busy fighting, will the automatics shake the soul out of the pilot? After all, the overloads in this limousine are huge? Maybe I didn’t quite accurately ask the question, sorry, not special ..

there ppk 9g for 30sec

[yfast]

Half of American planes flying still have a floppy drive.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

And whose electronics provide all these miracles? No sanctions there will suddenly stop the production of the aircraft?

[Vlad Pervovich]

Quote: dauria

to display all the numerous information on the cockpit instruments

Another thing is interesting ... Since there is an LCD display, it would be necessary to force the cameras. On the keel, on the wing console. Look at the tail, at the belly. In fact, the tail is on fire and the pieces fall off or it is tolerable, the tire is smashed into pieces or it seems. Places, weights and prices are minuscule, but the benefits are huge. No need for a follower or RP to call "Look, what's there"

sensors are probably provided for this

[Alexey Zigalov]

Good reporting in the spirit of mastering the budget. In the fall of 2019 in China, at an aviation exhibition, they showed and talked about a promising fighter cockpit. For ten years, almost all helicopters are optional

[Lexus]

At such a rate of mass production, there is practically nothing to pilot.

[Cossack 471]

Foreign customer? The S-400 has already been sold. We have not learned anything ........

[Voltsky]

And by the way, they said that the spin for the Su-57 was a normal and not critical flight mode ... And then -1 happened just with a fall into a spin.

[iouris]

And who will receive the salary, "two from the casket, the same from the face"? Aha!