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"Theoretically, you can not fly": the Su-57 received the most automated cockpit

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"Theoretically, you can not fly": the Su-57 received the most automated cockpit

The Russian fifth-generation multirole fighter Su-57 received a cockpit with the maximum degree of process automation. This is stated in the magazine of the United Aircraft Corporation "New Horizons".


According to the publication, the process of piloting and combat use is maximally automated on the Su-57 fighter. Thanks to this, it was possible to create a single-seat multi-role fighter, and not a two-seat version, where weapons control is entrusted to the co-pilot.

Theoretically, the pilot, after taking off and until the moment of landing, may not fly at all, but search and attack targets. Moreover, this process is also sufficiently automated.

- said the head of the cabins department of the Sukhoi Design Bureau, Nikita Dorofeev.

According to him, automation, information integration and intelligent support were the defining requirements for the ergonomics of the fifth generation fighter's cockpit. The intelligent support system installed on the aircraft helps the pilot to carry out combat missions. It is emphasized that it does this not only on the basis of the current situation, but also taking into account the forecast of its development.

Earlier it was reported that the Su-57 may receive a two-seat version, this option is being considered in the interests of a foreign customer. The option of ordering a two-seat fighter for the Russian Aerospace Forces is not excluded.
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  1. poquello
    poquello 8 February 2021 16: 36
    -12%
    The option of ordering a two-seat fighter for the Russian Aerospace Forces is not excluded.

    tourists with cadets to ride
    1. Temples
      Temples 8 February 2021 16: 45
      -1
      Exactly. To sit down a tourist to the cadet. good laughing
    2. petroff
      petroff 8 February 2021 17: 57
      0
      No, for instructor and student.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 8 February 2021 18: 09
        -1
        Quote: petroff
        No, for instructor and student.

        Earlier it was reported that the Su-57 may receive a two-seat version, this option is being considered in the interests of a foreign customer. The option of ordering a two-seat fighter for the Russian Aerospace Forces is not excluded.

        Aha, the maximally automated single-seat combat helicopter KA-50 "Black Shark" has already been created and where is it ?!
        Since there is a possibility of creating a 2-seat fighter, then it will be requested in the Ministry of Defense.
        1. Sevastiec
          Sevastiec 9 February 2021 05: 48
          +3
          Ka-50, created 40 years ago. Do you think that progress has not stepped forward for almost half a century? Despite the fact that the Shark also flew and fought quite well.
      2. poquello
        poquello 8 February 2021 19: 10
        0
        Quote: petroff
        No, for instructor and student.

        what for is this plane instructor? show five buttons?
        1. hirurg
          hirurg 8 February 2021 20: 54
          +4
          Theoretically, the pilot, after taking off and until the moment of landing, may not fly at all, but search and attack targets. Moreover, this process is also sufficiently automated.
          That is, to engage in the selection of targets for destruction in the first place.
          But this is only if you yourself were not attacked.
          But most of all I am jarred by the word THEORETICAL. It crosses out EVERYTHING.
          Theoretically, I will change the liver of Uncle Vasya. But problems practically begin.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 9 February 2021 04: 57
            +5
            Theoretically, I will change the liver of Uncle Vasya. But problems practically begin.

            why are you raising fuss? Piloting systems in automatic mode on airbuses for some reason do not surprise you, but here it is necessary - immediately. Modern IUS software now takes over a fairly large amount of information processing and control of combat aircraft control elements.
        2. petroff
          petroff 10 February 2021 09: 54
          0
          An instructor is needed not by an airplane, but by a cadet
          1. poquello
            poquello 10 February 2021 15: 37
            0
            Quote: petroff
            An instructor is needed not by an airplane, but by a cadet

            why are you so stubborn? this is an automated system, the second place for her as a cow saddle, the case of such a need is very specific
            1. petroff
              petroff 10 February 2021 21: 19
              0
              Not to her, but to the instructor and the cadet. In which case, the instructor must take control. Are you a pilot !?
              1. poquello
                poquello 10 February 2021 22: 07
                0
                Quote: petroff
                Not to her, but to the instructor and the cadet. In which case, the instructor must take control. Are you a pilot !?

                ) no, I'm a submachine gunner
    3. Runoway
      Runoway 8 February 2021 23: 24
      -4
      tourists with cadets to ride

      At least for Yasnasolnyshka, he loves to ride on everything
  2. Guru
    Guru 8 February 2021 16: 37
    +5
    automation, information integration and intelligent support were defining requirements for the ergonomics of the fifth generation fighter's cockpit.

    An interesting concept, not just a smart helmet, but the entire cockpit.
    1. credo
      credo 8 February 2021 16: 42
      +7
      Quote: Guru
      automation, information integration and intelligent support were defining requirements for the ergonomics of the fifth generation fighter's cockpit.

      An interesting concept, not just a smart helmet, but the entire cockpit.

      Yes, this is by the way in addition to the article on helmets, given their high cost and stuffed with functions. It may be really to use the functionality of the aircraft and its radars to the maximum, so that all the numerous information is displayed on the cockpit instruments, and it is only for the pilot to leave the decision-making and manual control.
      1. dauria
        dauria 8 February 2021 17: 18
        +5
        to display all the numerous information on the cockpit instruments


        Another thing is interesting ... Since there is an LCD display, it would be necessary to force the cameras. On the keel, on the wing console. Look at the tail, at the belly. In fact, the tail is on fire and the pieces fall off or it is tolerable, the tire is smashed into pieces or it seems. Places, weights and prices are minuscule, but the benefits are huge. No need for a follower or RP to call "Look, what's there"
        1. krot
          krot 8 February 2021 17: 58
          +5
          Quote: dauria
          we should also have cameras

          I think instead of cameras "Rita" will tell you everything .. And you don't need to watch.
          1. dauria
            dauria 9 February 2021 03: 11
            +3
            "Rita" will tell it all.


            Well, well ... Either the sensor, or the whole board is dripping with oil. She is an intelligent woman, she will say "Emergency fuel residue", but she will modestly keep silent about the fact that the train from the holes has been following you for half an hour. And do not you ask her, "Hey, broody, we aim at something to hold on tight, you do not know?"
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 8 February 2021 16: 43
      +1
      Quote: Guru
      automation, information integration and intelligent support were defining requirements for the ergonomics of the fifth generation fighter's cockpit.

      An interesting concept, not just a smart helmet, but the entire cockpit.

      Interesting. and at whose expense the banquet, the element base is really domestic, if so, then I fully applaud the delays and bringing to mind.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 8 February 2021 16: 46
        +9
        And there we don't need universal Intel and AMD ... We don't really have these, but we ate more than one dog on the RISC architecture. I would not be surprised if there is something like Elbrus.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 8 February 2021 16: 52
          -5
          but on the RISC architecture we ate more than one dog. I won't be surprised if there is something like Elbrus
          maybe then VLIW - if they remembered about Elbrus, how exactly is the logical continuation of the RISC ideology !? Or the latest versions of ARM, buy from Eastern partners and not torment ... well, everyone understood that wink !?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 8 February 2021 16: 57
            +5
            I do not know what prots go to military planes. But I know what excellent embedded solutions are doing. This applies to SSDs, controllers, and highly specialized systems.
        2. Errr
          Errr 8 February 2021 17: 24
          +17
          "Elbrusov" there is not a lot, that is. they are not there at all, but this thing, nicknamed the on-board computer of the IMA BK architecture, is quite remarkable. smile There, inside, there is a filling in the form of four VLSI 1888ТХ018, each of which has two not weak PowerPC 470 cores, and so on. four NMC3 cores, again, each. Look at the address https://www.module.ru/uploads/products/0032019-4224f2691c.pdf
          1. Guru
            Guru 8 February 2021 17: 37
            +8
            "Elbrusov" there is not a lot, that is. they are not there at all, but this thing, nicknamed the on-board computer of the IMA BK architecture, is quite remarkable. smile There, inside, there is a filling in the form of four VLSI 1888TH018, each of which has two not at all weak PowerPC 470 cores, and so on. four NMC3 cores, again, each. Look at the address

            I looked, of course, I was impressed, as far as I remember, there are 80486 IBMs in the Raptor, which is why they could not agree with the Fu-35. And here is practically a gaming computer.
            8 computing cores - PowerPC 470S; 16 computing cores-NeuroMatrix NMC3;
            More than 16 GB RAM with EC; More than 1 TB of EPROM
            Integrated graphics controller with hardware acceleration
            Built-in redundant interface switch based
            Fiber Channel; 12 redundant bi-directional Fiber channels
            Channel based on real-time profile; 5 optical channels
            ARINC 818-1 video transmission interface
            24 channels of serial code exchange interface according to GOST
            18977-79 (ARINC 429)
            1. Errr
              Errr 8 February 2021 17: 49
              +6
              Quote: Guru
              And here is practically a gaming computer.
              good
              Apparently this is also why the potential partners of the Su-57 were called "Criminal", that opposition to such intelligence is no longer a toy. smile
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 8 February 2021 18: 19
              -6
              And here is practically a gaming computer.
              8 computing cores - PowerPC 470S; 16 computing cores-NeuroMatrix NMC3;
              More than 16 GB RAM with EC; More than 1 TB of EPROM
              whether gaming, a very original cross between, by the way ...: System performance: CPU - 2150 DMIPS and DSP - 6,4 GOPs (16 bit), 38.4 GOPs (8 bit), and despite the fact that it is far from a new architecture PowerPC v2.05 .3 pulls the strap, with no longer new: NMC2013 (Developed in 90 on 64nm CMOS technology. Contains two 3-bit DSP NeuroMatrix® NMC32 processors and 1176-bit RISC processor ARM1-JFZ-S floating point.), that is, some "paurny" cores were added with DSP-shny crusts, an extremely old technical process, there are two questions: 2. Why sculpt this "Lego" ??? 1. Proceeds from the first p. No. XNUMX, with the addition - whether financial issues were included in the design of this "mixture", and plus with outdated technology in order to go further from the sanctions of today ...
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 8 February 2021 18: 42
                +16
                Remember when they started developing the PAK FA ... The first flight in 2010 ... Our military does not really like the latest technologies, they like reliable ones. It makes little sense to make these processors at 60, 25, 12, 5 nm if they fly out in smoke from the very first frost or thunderstorm. The pilot does not play games there, finding fault with the schedule (so that the weed can be seen), he needs a clear execution of tasks and commands in a very unfriendly environment. If this hardware does it, great. There is a reserve for the future.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 8 February 2021 19: 04
                  -5
                  The pilot does not play games there, finding fault with the schedule (so that the weed can be seen), he needs a clear execution of tasks and commands in a very unfriendly environment
                  I don’t argue about the performance of the combat, but sometimes the "weed" must be uniquely identified, especially if it is a disguise and other hidden "things", so that "the better, the longer you live" when completing the task ... wink
                  It makes little sense to make these processors at 60, 25, 12, 5 nm if they fly out in smoke from the very first frost or thunderstorm
                  well, why exaggerate something like that! ??? laughing thermoregulation, shielding, grounding devices, equipotential bonding and multiple redundancy - our everything ... isn't it !? winked
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 8 February 2021 19: 13
                    +5
                    well, why exaggerate something like that !?

                    Why exaggerate ... here the problem is different, the smaller the technical process, the higher its price. And it grows sooooo fast. At the moment, to build a plant for the production of microcircuits, say, on a 22-20 nm process technology, you need to invest several hundred million dollars. I'm not kidding at all. Plus, such equipment is not a fact that they will be sold to us. The military is guaranteed not to be sold. Do it yourself, that's another billion, no matter how much more.
                    So the price of production also bursts in here, and only then
                    thermoregulation, screening, grounding devices, potential equalization and redundancy multiple
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 8 February 2021 19: 23
                      +4
                      At the moment, to build a plant for the production of microcircuits, say, on a 22-20 nm process technology, you need to invest several hundred million dollars. I'm not kidding at all
                      I agree, I just worked in one of the projects to create a production of semiconductor materials, back in the 00s in the Russian Federation, and I can say from memory, when they tried to acquire a number of documents on FAB - just documents, I had to use "some resources" in a non-trivial way, let's say, in Germany ... wink and when the working team looked at their docks, then all desire disappeared at once, there are a lot of pitfalls even at 45 nm, they are already floating up on large plates ... !!! And what does he say, about 20-22 and less, but for ordinary people and journalists - it's not interesting !?
                2. Guru
                  Guru 8 February 2021 20: 00
                  0
                  Wedmak (Denis)
                  I support you Denis, it was when Pentiums 2-3 existed, and the Americans put 80486 on the Raptors.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 8 February 2021 21: 30
                    -1
                    They did not install such a processor on the Raptors.
            3. ironic
              ironic 8 February 2021 20: 37
              -5
              Those. percent western. Import substitution has not yet arrived here. The F-35 has a raid of three dual-processor PowerPC 6XX modules. By the way, in the Raptor there was at first a block of it seems like 33 boards for the i960MX, and not what you wrote, then they began to upgrade it to PowerPC too.
              1. Guru
                Guru 9 February 2021 08: 48
                0
                They did not install such a processor on the Raptors.

                Read it carefully.
                https://topwar.ru/21126-problemy-istrebitelya-f-22-raptor-chast-i-ekonomika.html
                1. ironic
                  ironic 9 February 2021 13: 44
                  0
                  If you are talking about mentioning the 486th in the article, then read it yourself, I'm still right, he did not stand on the Raptors from the very beginning. And I was mistaken a little, i960MX modules are not 33 but 35.
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 8 February 2021 18: 35
            +1
            Thank you, interesting information.
      2. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 8 February 2021 17: 22
        +8
        Quote: lis-ik
        the element base is really domestic

        This has already been repeatedly told and shown. Everything is there
      3. Guru
        Guru 8 February 2021 17: 32
        +10
        Interesting. and at whose expense the banquet, the element base is really domestic, if so, then I fully applaud the delays and bringing to mind.
        I will delight you colleague, the element base is already its own, but it is done piecemeal.
        1. ironic
          ironic 8 February 2021 20: 42
          -5
          Oops, you might be very disappointed if you find out who created the core logic of power-pussies. smile
      4. lis-ik
        lis-ik 8 February 2021 17: 50
        -12%
        We don't like questions of substance, even without sarcasm, or are they brutal putinoids?
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer 8 February 2021 16: 38
    +2
    I read something about the fact that the Americans regretted that they abandoned the two-seater version of the F-22. The same F-15, the new modifications will be two-seater. One man controls the plane, the other pilot is engaged in combat missions. Plus, it is more convenient to train young pilots on the twin. The simulator will not teach everything. I hope ours will create a two-seat version of the Su-57 soldier
  4. Wedmak
    Wedmak 8 February 2021 16: 38
    +10
    The two-seater version would be ideal for pairing with the Hunter UAV. The co-pilot could control several of these UAVs, which would increase the capabilities by an order of magnitude.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 8 February 2021 16: 56
      +5
      would be for a bundle with the UAV Hunter. The co-pilot could control several of these UAVs, which would increase the capabilities by an order of magnitude.
      for this, the A50U would be ideal (for several of these UAVs), there are heaps of operators (in the operator compartment of the RTK they equipped rest areas and a buffet with household equipment ...) and you can carry a lot of different equipment for control systems (although do air data center ...) and the main thing is there is already a spent carrier, for everything ...
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 8 February 2021 17: 00
        +3
        By the way, the US is working on such a concept. But he was not particularly interested.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 8 February 2021 17: 07
          -1
          By the way, the US is working on such a concept. But he was not particularly interested.
          a little on the topic, if touched now, as rumors from the States, a light insider .., they are still thinking of using it on bases: P8 or C-17 Globemaster III, just for an air data center, with entire clusters of physical accelerators, rather total for AI systems wink ! Although this is, of course, Boeing's inventions and the budget cut by the military ... and in general it is an inflamed fantasy ... laughing
      2. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 8 February 2021 17: 26
        +2
        Not. Judging by the sensors, the direct interaction of the Su-57 and the UAV is designed for fairly close distances in order to eliminate interference and hacking attempts. A50U and others like it cannot be kept so close to the theater.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 8 February 2021 18: 22
          +2
          A50U and others like it cannot be kept so close to the theater.
          satellite constellations with relaying, yesterday they came up with the idea! ??? laughing Why keep close, especially for the A50U, it will continue to confidently receive and transmit telemetry ... beyond the range of the RVVBD and other air defense wink
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 8 February 2021 21: 40
            0
            I correctly understood that you will giggle in the same way when, in the absence or suppression of GLONASS signals, all this bundle of yours turns into a pumpkin? Read about the same OSNOD.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 8 February 2021 21: 56
              -1
              Read about the same OSNOD.
              Are you talking about the Russian equivalent of the Link-16 system used by NATO !? wink
    2. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 8 February 2021 17: 27
      -1
      And one can. UAV control consists in the pilot's choice of behavior models with their own scenarios and algorithms.
    3. abc_alex
      abc_alex 9 February 2021 02: 50
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      The two-seater version would be ideal for pairing with the Hunter UAV. The co-pilot could control several of these UAVs, which would increase the capabilities by an order of magnitude.

      And what is there to control? The UAV "sees" the target, either through its own radar, through the leader's radar, or through both at once. Identification of "friend or foe" is the simplest. You just need to give the command "hit the strangers" and synchronize the distribution of goals. For this, a person is not needed; a computer will cope better with this.
      And if there are several UAVs, then no operator can cope with the distribution of targets. Moreover, with control.
  5. keeper03
    keeper03 8 February 2021 16: 39
    0
    It should be so !!! good soldier
  6. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 8 February 2021 18: 14
    +7
    In fact, a step has been taken in the direction of an unmanned analogue of the Su-57, and the interface with the Hunter UAV is already being worked out during the tests. I think the corresponding software for this has been / is being developed. And this is already such a good-grove tandem, and even target designation with AWACS if here, it turns out just a song. Well, let's see what it will result in. soldier
  7. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 8 February 2021 18: 56
    +1
    Comrades pilots, tell me, if the machine gun is piloting and the pilot is busy fighting, will the automatics shake the soul out of the pilot? After all, the overloads in this limousine are huge? Maybe I didn’t quite accurately ask the question, sorry, not special ..
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 8 February 2021 19: 08
      -1
      Comrades pilots, tell me, if the machine gun is piloting and the pilot is busy fighting, will the automatics shake the soul out of the pilot? After all, the overloads in this limousine are huge?
      Duc, with the pilot he is quiet and humble, he will be conducted - why "pull the handle"!? Anyway, after 6g, the pilot will swim guaranteed ... no matter what kind of superman he is ... and what he ate in the morning! laughing
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 8 February 2021 19: 18
        +1
        No!) ​​With such a machine gun, we won't get enough of the pilots.) He will kill them all.
    2. poquello
      poquello 8 February 2021 19: 20
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Comrades pilots, tell me, if the machine gun is piloting and the pilot is busy fighting, will the automatics shake the soul out of the pilot? After all, the overloads in this limousine are huge? Maybe I didn’t quite accurately ask the question, sorry, not special ..

      there ppk 9g for 30sec
  8. yfast
    yfast 8 February 2021 18: 58
    0
    Half of American planes flying still have a floppy drive.
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  11. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 8 February 2021 19: 46
    -2
    And whose electronics provide all these miracles? No sanctions there will suddenly stop the production of the aircraft?
  12. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 8 February 2021 19: 55
    0
    Quote: dauria
    to display all the numerous information on the cockpit instruments


    Another thing is interesting ... Since there is an LCD display, it would be necessary to force the cameras. On the keel, on the wing console. Look at the tail, at the belly. In fact, the tail is on fire and the pieces fall off or it is tolerable, the tire is smashed into pieces or it seems. Places, weights and prices are minuscule, but the benefits are huge. No need for a follower or RP to call "Look, what's there"


    sensors are probably provided for this request
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  14. Alexey Zigalov
    Alexey Zigalov 8 February 2021 21: 57
    0
    Good reporting in the spirit of mastering the budget. In the fall of 2019 in China, at an aviation exhibition, they showed and talked about a promising fighter cockpit. For ten years, almost all helicopters are optional
  15. Lexus
    Lexus 8 February 2021 23: 59
    +1
    At such a rate of mass production, there is practically nothing to pilot.
  16. Cossack 471
    Cossack 471 9 February 2021 00: 02
    0
    Foreign customer? The S-400 has already been sold. We have not learned anything ........
  17. Voltsky
    Voltsky 9 February 2021 06: 32
    -1
    And by the way, they said that the spin for the Su-57 was a normal and not critical flight mode ... And then -1 happened just with a fall into a spin.
  18. iouris
    iouris 9 February 2021 13: 56
    -1
    And who will receive the salary, "two from the casket, the same from the face"? Aha!