The Ukrainian Navy made the final decision to re-equip the Island class boats

The command of the Naval Forces of Ukraine made the final decision to abandon the installation of Soviet weapons on Ukrainian patrol boats of the Island type - Р190 "Slavyansk" and Р191 "Starobelsk". This is reported by the Ukrainian media with reference to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

Currently, the boats are equipped with single-barreled Soviet gun mounts 2M-3M, 25 mm caliber. It is emphasized that the installation of this obsolete weapon was forced, it was proposed to re-equip the boats. Disputes on this topic were conducted throughout 2020, various options were proposed, including the installation of a 30-mm six-barreled AK-306 gun mount and one-tube torpedo tubes.

Now a decision has been made to finally abandon Soviet / Russian weapons and measure them with American ones, thereby unifying them with other Island-type boats, which will only be transferred to the United States to Ukraine.

All boats will be equipped with a 30mm MSI Seahawk DS A2 30mm Mk44S Bushmaster remote-controlled artillery system. In addition, "Slavyansk" and "Starobelsk" will equip the Ukrainian BIUS "Kontur", which in the future is planned to be replaced with a NATO command and control system due to the low efficiency of the Ukrainian system.

Earlier it was reported that the boats, which the United States promise to supply, will come to Ukraine with already installed ship systems and weapons.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

The mosquito fleet is being prepared for the "great" battles. There are a lot of great military personnel in the budget, since they change their weapons. Or important people are at the cut. Earnings are demanded.

[Orange bigg]

It is necessary to prepare the Orion-RU reconnaissance and strike UAVs or helicopters for a meeting with this mosquito fleet. I think LMUR (25 km), Whirlwind-1 (10 km), X-38 (70 km) of various modifications will be suitable as a weapon to suppress this small fry.

[Finches]

Here is the answer to those who live very badly in Russia and want change - Ukraine, according to which it is possible to publish more than one textbook and a popular science film to make "How to Profuse Everything, Including the Honor and Dignity of the Whole People!" Buy outdated boats in the American second-hand shop, puzzle over which pukalka to put on them, so that at least it looks like a unit of the Navy, although 30 years ago they themselves could build aircraft-carrying cruisers ... That's the whole tale, including to all local fighters against the "totalitarian" regime! In the meantime, I am happy to watch how another warship descends from the stocks of the Admiralty shipyards, which I often have to walk past!

[hirurg]

The command of the Naval Forces of Ukraine made the final decision
Feel the next residual.
And shells now have to be bought at exorbitant prices. There will be a deficit. Maybe it's for the best. Matches for children, not a toy.

[Alex777]

Yes, they just could not screw anything "their" to these boats.
So I had to beg for standard weapons.

[sniperino]

Quote: Finches

"How to profuse everything, including the honor and dignity of an entire people!"

There is no whole people there. The breakaway part of the Russian world, where people of various nationalities can freely enter, does not make a whole with the UNA-UNSO fans and their sympathizers, who today have put the Russians in the focus of national hatred, and tomorrow, if they feel impunity, will demand their blood. Especially if they pay for it. The ethnic Ukrainian and citizen of Ukraine A. Shariy today is leading the most active, and, in my opinion, effective struggle both on the Internet (yesterday the video posted it), and in the political party 404 against fascism for peace and the Russian language. But on VO he is casually mentioned in a somewhat ironic manner. And irony is hidden aggression. By May 9, they will begin to remember about the fight against fascism, and today the cowards of N are the top topic.

[sniperino]

on the fight against fascism in articles by May 9 will begin remember flirt

[Quadro]

Quote: sniperino

Quote: Finches

"How to profuse everything, including the honor and dignity of an entire people!"

There is no whole people there. The breakaway part of the Russian world, where people of various nationalities can freely enter, does not make a whole with the UNA-UNSO fans and their sympathizers, who today have put the Russians in the focus of national hatred, and tomorrow, if they feel impunity, will demand their blood. Especially if they pay for it. The ethnic Ukrainian and citizen of Ukraine A. Shariy today is leading the most active, and, in my opinion, effective struggle both on the Internet (yesterday the video posted it), and in the political party 404 against fascism for peace and the Russian language. But on VO he is casually mentioned in a somewhat ironic manner. And irony is hidden aggression. By May 9, they will begin to remember about the fight against fascism, and today the cowards of N are the top topic.

Shariy is a fascist himself and dances to the tune of the oligarchs. At first he drowned and insulted those who were against it, and now he is watering it. By the way, he still stole someone else's content, on the Evgeny mit channel there is a video of how one guy had his photo of documents without permission and gave out his insider, and sent the guy three letters and banned him. Here is your fighter against fascism, good luck and continue to hang noodles on your ears.

[sniperino]

Quote: Quadro

Shariy himself is a fascist

Rather, you are a fascist.

[Revolver]

Think about these boats will run over the cruiser "Moskva" with their 30-mm. Not even funny.
Yes, boats are of course a gift, but NATO standard ammunition will have to be bought and paid for with real money, "and not with bikes, pancakes, and greyhound Yushchenko" © https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgYrPV_d3tg

[The leader of the Redskins]

Everything is logical. Armament discrepancy is absurd. I won't talk about boats - I am far from the fleet.

[Emil mamedoff]

And 2 Makarov pistols on hand turrets, in front and behind the ship.
(To increase the combat power of the boats, or simply shoot themselves with them before the FSB catches them again)

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Emil Mamedoff

And 2 Makarov pistols on hand turrets, in front and behind the ship.

"And you friends, how do not sit down
Everyone is not good for musicians "And, A. Krylov

All boats will be equipped with a 30mm MSI Seahawk DS A2 30mm Mk44S Bushmaster remote-controlled artillery system.

[Constanty]

I do not quite understand the Ukrainians - after all, they themselves produce various combat modules armed with 30-mm cannons, they have ammunition, etc.

Meanwhile, the price of one 30x173 rocket for the Bushmaster Mk44 gun is more than $ 250 (Poland, for example, having bought a batch of 152000 rounds for Rosomax, paid PLN 168 million).

Expensive - what's the point?

[Orange bigg]

Here one must understand not the interests of the colony, but the interests of the metropolis. The Americans are promoting the interests of their military-industrial complex, and whatever they say it will be so. Ukrainians are prohibited from making independent decisions.

[The leader of the Redskins]

The 30mm Ukrainian / Soviet cannon is different from NATO ammunition. When they strive for an alliance, everything is reasonable.

[Constanty]

Let me remind you that Soviet-style ammunition, both 30 mm and 125 mm, is still used in NATO countries.
Such Slovakia still produces 2A42 clones, as well as ammunition for it.

[The leader of the Redskins]

But you must admit that it would be unreasonable to have three ships with 30 mm NATO ammunition and two with 30 mm USSR ammunition.
Soviet shells will be in service with ground forces and the Air Force for a long time, but the fleet ... From there, the "march of NATO standards" will begin.

[Constanty]

It was enough to take more patrol boats, also without weapons, and equip them with our own modules - it would be cheaper and to the benefit of the Ukrainian industry.
For example BM-5M.01 Katran-M - the same as on their Gyurza

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Constanty

Expensive - what's the point?

Svidomo's head is hard to understand, and it's better not to get worn out.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Constanty

Meanwhile, the price of one 30x173 rocket for the Bushmaster Mk44 gun is more than $ 250 (Poland, for example, having bought a batch of 152000 rounds for Rosomax, paid PLN 168 million).

Expensive - what's the point?

It is about this sense of the Ukrainian language that everyone is racking their brains! If only Svido knew it! Although ... that's the point! The point is in kickbacks, in pennies put in the bottomless pocket of ukrovors!

[Avior]

Can you give a link to the source? To whom did the Poles pay in zlotys?
Such a price can be only for shells with a programmable fuse.

[Constanty]

Złoty - Zloty is the official Polish currency.
And about this transaction, for example, here:
https://www.defence24.pl/168-mln-zl-na-amunicje-dla-rosomakow

It was about conventional armor-piercing sabotage (APFSDS-T) and multifunctional (MP-T / SD) ammunition, produced in Poland under the Nammo license - not programmable!

[Prisoner]

Are you looking for logic in the actions of the Ukrobander government? Leave this hopeless business. And it's good that you don't understand. God forbid, begin to understand them! Then you need to urgently run to a psychiatrist.

[BAI]

will come to Ukraine with already installed ship systems and weapons.

Then it is generally not clear what they discussed there. They will eat what they give.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: BAI

Then it is generally not clear what they discussed there.

Created a kind of hectic activity.

[Sasha from Uralmash]

It's not for you to change the curbs, you need to understand here! A gun for repair? I have not heard!

[Nikon O'Conor]

Interested in such a question. Surface ships must have captains (conditionally): cap1 - ships of rank 1, cap2 - rank 2, cap3 - respectively. On small ships and missile boats, etc., drops and sometimes midshipmen go captains.
Attention question!
What do the ranked captains of Ukraine use, and are they there?))

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nikon OConor

What do ranked captains of Ukraine use, and are they there?

Not on what, but where
And they go to headquarters, to lunch and home

[Nikon O'Conor]

accepted!
I would like more options))

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nikon OConor

I would like more options))

To headquarters from home
For lunch at the buffet
First to his mistress, then home.

[Nikon O'Conor]

In general, I meant ships

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nikon OConor

In general, I meant ships

I don’t understand

[Nikon O'Conor]

and it's no wonder not to understand))
There are no ships and officers on them, as I understand a lot

[cniza]

There are even tank admirals ...

[Prisoner]

Optimists. They keep sea "wolves" in reserve. Hopefully the pins and larger junk will be thrown in.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Nikon OConor

In general, I meant ships

There is also Hetman

[Nikon O'Conor]

I just don’t know somehow which of the ranked ships is now sailing in Ukraine, what is floating and what does not even float, as well as how many ranked captains are in the MVSU

[Prisoner]

"Hetman Sagaidachny" seems to be afloat. In his youth (more precisely in infancy) he was a 2nd rank patrol ship "Kirov". Then he became a frigate and already the flagship of the Ukrainian Navy. It is not difficult to figure out what kind of Navy it is with such a flagship.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Lipchanin

First to his mistress, then home.

stars for mistresses?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Nikon OConor

accepted!
I would like more options))

Not where, but how much.
Three or four times during the day, and once at night. If health is more or less in order.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikon OConor

What do the ranked captains of Ukraine use, and are they there?))

Judging by the fact that they have one ranked ship "Sagaidachny", and the rest are without rank.
In the USSR, before the introduction of personal ranks, there was a rank-free system, the commander of any ship wore 4 chevrons. In the civilian navy all over the world, such a system still exists.
If a country's navy has a small number of ships of all types, then such a system suits them. At the same time, a showy rating of the Navy is created for its citizens, which determines the naval composition, and the number of senior and senior officers.
This is how they are compared to the advanced powers.
For example, in Britain there are about 1000 such officers in HMS, and in Ukraine there are also about 1000,
and the virtual forces of the navies of these countries have leveled off, soon the Ukrainian navies will catch up with the US and Chinese navies.

[Nikon O'Conor]

Those. there are about a thousand ranked officers, and a ranked ship is 1 (Sahaidachny 2nd rank, if I am not mistaken). If I understand you correctly.
One more question arises, now in Ukraine there are naval schools and academies that produce naval officers, and the highest military personnel? If so, where do they serve?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikon OConor

One more question arises, now in Ukraine there are naval schools and academies that produce naval officers, and the highest military personnel? If so, where do they serve?

In Kiev. And they also serve in Kiev in the majority. The main thing is not what they serve, but where. The number of officers does not increase the fleet, but you need to feed everyone.

[Nikon O'Conor]

Damn, it looks like the situation in RI since the early 1900s. There were up to ... a lot of officers, but there were no ships, but then the ships were under construction, and there was a "reserve crew of the fleet." There is nothing to be built, no prospects ... We are happy ... but we will then, in years', restore ... Although I would be against it. Sliced ​​hunk.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikon OConor

Damn, it looks like the situation in RI since the early 1900s. There are up to ... a lot of officers, but no ships

Until 2014, there was the Russian Black Sea Fleet and the Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, where the number of officers was larger. After 2014, the headquarters of the Ukrainian Black Sea Fleet moved to Kiev together with the officers, and they still serve. There is no fleet, but there are officers.

[Nikon O'Conor]

Here I am about the same. In the 14th, a lot of Ships transferred to the Black Sea Fleet? I understand almost everything, and with them the officers were supposed to go. Or am I confusing it with the times of Ukraine's independence? But if at 14 we had more ships, where did Ukraine have the officers of the ships who do not have?

[Nikon O'Conor]

Or until the 14th there was only one "Sagaidachny" in the Naval Forces of Ukraine? Too lazy just to climb to look now .... simple questions, just communication))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikon OConor

Or until the 14th there was only one "Sagaidachny" in the Naval Forces of Ukraine? Too lazy to just climb looking now .... simple questions,

When the fleet was divided in 91, they had a larger fleet, and how many coastal units you can't use. Plus VVMU and military
institute riveted personnel. The fleet rotted, but the officers remained, and in 2014 everyone moved from Crimea to Ukraine. I have been to Sevastopol more than once during the time of Ukraine, just darkness.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Nikon OConor

Where did Ukraine get the officers of the ships who do not have?

As an example "cruiser" Ukraine.
The ship was not finished yet, but the CREW of the "cruiser" Ukraine was formed and dismantled THREE TIMES.

[boris epstein]

There will be no longer the cruiser "Ukraine." China wanted to buy it in its current state, but Ukraine refused.
"The government of Ukraine has made a decision to dispose of or sell the unfinished heavy missile cruiser Ukraina, having previously removed all weapons from it," Deputy Prime Minister of the republic Oleg Urusky told The Day in an interview. "

[cat Rusich]

Quote: boris epstein

"The government of Ukraine has decided to dispose of or sell the unfinished heavy missile cruiser" Ukraine ", having previously removed all weapons from it.

I know, I read this news ...
He just gave an example of how a crew is being recruited on a still INACTIVE ship. The sailors are then simply sent for demobilization, then the officers remain ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Boris Epstein

after removing all weapons from him.

Yes, there is not only weapons, but already all the "copper" and bronze with luminium have been removed.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikon OConor

In the 14th, a lot of Ships transferred to the Black Sea Fleet? I understand almost everything, and with them the officers were supposed to go.

The fleet was taken out to Odessa, Ochakov, and the remnants are in Sevastopol.
Officers? And why does Russia need them.

[Black lotos]

Quote: tihonmarine

In Kiev

Lyceum. The Odessa Naval Lyceum is the only one in the whole country. It was transferred from Sevastopol.
They are already there and are teaching girls

the Institute of the Navy is located there.
So, a diving school was opened there under the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The training center of the Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine began work in Nikolaev.
In Kiev - College of Sea and River Fleet
State University of Infrastructure and Technology.
In general, almost everything is concentrated in the largest port of North. Black Sea region.
Also- Nikolaev, Ochakov, Kiev (but there is a river)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Black Lotos

In Kiev - College of Sea and River Fleet

And in Kherson there was a sailor, what happened to her?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Black Lotos

Lyceum. The Odessa Naval Lyceum is the only one in the whole country.

And also in Odessa there was the Institute of Naval Engineers, a very serious institution in the USSR. What have Svidomye done to him?

[boris epstein]

"... now in Ukraine there are naval schools and academies, .."
And the commander of the Ukrainian Navy is a tanker.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Boris Epstein

And the commander of the Ukrainian Navy is a tanker.

As in the saying "Circus, cinema and the Germans."

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Nikon OConor

Interested in such a question. Surface ships must have captains (conditionally): cap1 - ships of rank 1, cap2 - rank 2, cap3 - respectively. On small ships and missile boats, etc., drops and sometimes midshipmen go captains.
Attention question!
What do they walk on ranked captains of Ukraine, and are they there?))

Ranked naval officers VMsuk go by themselves!

[voronkin]

Zelensky is a cool dude if he made such a global decision for the Ukrainian Navy ..
The admirals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will soon receive the Bandera award again ..
Russia has become wary and, in panic, is withdrawing its Fleet to a safe position.

[Ros 56]

Yeah,

I can only join and dear ones, I invite you.

[tralflot1832]

In the photo is Nikolaev, in the background is the Chinese terminal for the export of grain from Ukraine?

[Coconut]

Silent glanders patrol boats ... become destroyers ... stupid fairy tale of Ukraine ..

[Scharnhorst]

"FINAL SOLUTION" hit me in the ear alone! That the position of "UKROFÜHRER KRIGSMARINE" was introduced in the Ukrainian Navy?

[cniza]

All boats will be equipped with a 30mm MSI Seahawk DS A2 30mm Mk44S Bushmaster remote-controlled artillery system.

And there are only pennies, or again they are counting on handouts ...

[petrol cutter]

After all, I warned ... And more than once ...
God forgive me ...
The hen pecks by the grain.
What, against these ships, let's say our "Sargans" ?!
Which like ten more ordered? With two machine guns ...
But travel by sea quickly ... If there are no waves.
And she's somewhere in May, you see, will not be. In the fall, the sea will worry again as planned.

[Orkraider]

Quote: Petrol cutter

After all, I warned ... And more than once ...
God forgive me ...
The hen pecks by the grain.
What, against these ships, let's say our "Sargans" ?!
Which like ten more ordered? With two machine guns ...
But travel by sea quickly ... If there are no waves.
And she's somewhere in May, you see, will not be. In the fall, the sea will worry again as planned.

Greetings!

Gas cutter,
You are a shipbuilder, why are you comparing a 12-ton Sargan with a 169-ton Island?
It is not comparable

[petrol cutter]

My regards.
The fact is that here is the Gray Zone ...
And just as a shipbuilding, I can evaluate the performance of the ships for a minute. “Island” wins significantly.
Although old / decommissioned, etc.
This is not even the point. And the problem is absolutely not that.
I don't know how to convey the train of thought to the people ...
If you explain "on the fingers already" ... Whose Crimea?
De yure - territory of UA. The opposite is still strong (not even recognized by Belarus).
For such cases, what was imposed on the island / RF?
Sanctions.
And, since the Crimea and the territorial waters around it are the property of UA, she has the full right to do whatever she wants in them. Without asking any RF.
Earlier, UA stupidly had no vessels on the move.
Nowadays they are really increasing.
And this will lead one way or another to a military conflict. Which will happen early, better late between UA / RF fleets.
I personally do not need this categorically. In old age.

[Orkraider]

And if you compare with the project 14230?

Or with project 10410b, if memory serves, the Balaklava PSKR was being completed

And all 4 new buildings were left with you, for today only BOKHR have 6 ships in speed and armament superior to the islands.

But on the whole, your idea is clear to me, the weak armament of the same "Sables" surprises. But, I hope, Vortex-K will be delivered to them someday

[APASUS]

Ukraine is becoming more and more addicted to imported weapons. Nobody will allow 30mm cartridges for the Mk44S Bushmaster, you have to buy them ..

[nnz226]

The six-barreled installation is called AK-630 ... And the 2M-3M installation is actually paired, he himself shot from such a distant 1979

[Marconi41]

Quote: nnz226

The six-barreled installation is called AK-630 ... And the 2M-3M installation is actually paired, he himself shot from such a distant 1979

There is also an AK-306. No error

[Sands Careers General]

The Ukrainian Navy made the final decision to re-equip the Island class boats

About the conversion into Ukrainian "seagulls"?))
Chaika is an undecked flat-bottomed canoe of the Zaporozhye Cossacks of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, in the form of a huge hollowed-out deck, lined with boards along the sides.
The name comes from the changed word tour. šaika - boat.

[sgr291158]

It is impossible to defeat them now.