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A game of ideology or what has long been silent in the LPNR

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Today, partly due to the attempts of the so-called "curators" to prolong the agony of the Minsk agreements, partly due to the indifference and dysfunctionality of local authorities, there is no ideology as such in the self-determined republics. Instead, there is a kind of surrogate involved in the vector of reunification with Russia (local talking heads sometimes do not hesitate to say that this reunification is possible by returning to Ukraine on the terms of the Minsk agreements, but this, of course, is nonsense), patriotism (again, ambiguous - in due to the above circumstances), the celebration of the Second World War and very neat flirting with Orthodoxy.

It is clear that such a situation has a demoralizing effect on the fighters of the People's Militia, officials and ordinary people, since they are all deprived of an answer to conceptual questions: “Why were all these victims? What is happening to the republics today? Where are we going". It is worth noting that in attempts to create something like an ideology for the LPNR, most Russian and local ideologists and speakers focus primarily on themselves and their environment, regrettably forgetting that their concepts are not understandable and are not in demand by the population worried about where more mundane matters than armchair thinkers. It is also worth noting that it would be absurd to try to create an ideology for the republics without having a strong deep connection with the people of Donbass, without being involved in the events of 2014-2015. and lacking a systematic understanding of the situation that has developed in the LPNR today.

Proceeding from the need to formally demonstrate adherence to the Minsk Agreements, it is not at all necessary to bring down new dogmas and meanings on the heads of ordinary people, like the Mosaic tablets (this would in any case be stupid and imprudent, and most importantly - ineffective). It is much more convenient to flood the media space with new meanings that answer the above conceptual questions.

Determine with Ukraine


The inhabitants of the LDNR do not need to explain that they are Russians and their place in Russia. Nevertheless, it would be logical to voice as often and louder as possible that reunification with the Russian Federation is inevitable, that 25 years in Ukraine is a nightmare, stupidity and a crime that will never happen again. It would also be logical to constantly remind the local population that the inhabitants of Donbass, who were not afraid to challenge and fight against Ukrainian nationalism, fascists of all stripes and mercenaries of the collective West, today are the salt of the Russian land and are at the forefront of the resurgent Russian identity; a pillar of the new Russian idea, etc. It is also necessary to voice the fact that even if the conditions of the Minsk agreements are fulfilled (which is possible only hypothetically), the mission of Donbass will be to reformat Ukraine, curing it of Nazism and nationalism , including cleaning it up to turn it into a union state, and then part of the Russian Federation.

It is important, finally, to decide on Ukraine, frankly recognizing it before the coup d'etat of 2014 as an annoying and harmful misunderstanding, and afterwards as an obvious and irreconcilable enemy, to fight and destroy it is the sacred and difficult mission of Donbass, for the sake of which it sheds blood, and which will glorify him for centuries. The demonization of Ukraine and its adherents, as well as a critical attitude towards the passive part of Ukrainians who support the regime, should not be based on bored postulates like Rostislav Ishchenko (they will freeze there, die, scatter, Ukraine will fall apart, etc.), but on irreconcilable hatred of fascism (as the central idea of ​​today's Ukraine) in any of its manifestations, whether it be skinhead stormtroopers or a passive silent majority.

It is Ukraine that should be made guilty of all today's difficulties, problems and failures. It is Kiev and the Ukrainians as a whole that will not only have to shoulder the blame for all crimes against Donbass (including not only war and crimes against humanity, but also the death of pensioners due to lack of pensions, low birth rates, etc.). The image of Ukraine and of every Ukrainian Svidomo must be defamed once and for all, and the republics themselves must consistently and swiftly erase everything that would remind of "Ukrainianness"; all the symbols of Ukraine (of course, without bringing the situation to psychosis). Today, a negative image of the West is being consistently formed in the republic - it is necessary to carry out similar work with regard to Ukraine.

Forgotten Heroes


The formation of two heroic images is also important - the image of a defender (in which it is necessary to merge together, finally, militiamen and soldiers of the People's Militia) and the image of a home front worker. Frankly speaking, today the republics have practically nothing to give to both, except for national honor. Of course, every effort must be made to ensure normal wages (and their timely payments), social security and various bonuses and benefits for both combatants and miners and workers in large industrial enterprises. At the same time, it is important to at least establish a dialogue as much as possible, to broadcast the message: “Despite all the efforts of the enemy, despite all the problems, you are saving the republics and their inhabitants with your labor (feat of arms)! Your feat will thunder in the centuries, and from us honor and respect, as well as everything possible that can be done to improve your well-being. Be patient, Orthodox, we know how hard it is for you, we remember, we will improve! .. "

It should be noted that the current situation is not only unacceptable, but also criminal - working people live, receiving only congratulations on their professional holiday (not a bonus, not keys to an apartment, not a ticket to Gagra - congratulations), and on the other 364 days of the year, terrible working conditions , stripped down social services and debts for their miserable wages. The soldiers do not see any celebration of the heroes (there are a dozen of them in official sources, including Givi, Motorola and Zakharchenko, as if only they fought and are still fighting to this day), nor civil memorial services, nor tributes. To honor the workers of the rear and the "workers of the war" is little that the republic can do to form motivation and a positive image in society, but in fact there is not even that. It is worth noting that NM contractors generally try not to mention them, as if their unfortunate 16 thousand were almost a shameful stigma.

It is clear that these are just some and fairly general topics that should be raised in the notorious doctrine and which need to be talked about while the official channels chew rubber. And yet we have to start somewhere, since the upper classes cannot ...
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  1. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 8 February 2021 15: 06
    +20
    On ideology, we will protect the capital of the new nouveau riche, you will not go far. On nationalism too ..
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 15: 13
      +4
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      On ideology, we will protect the capital of the new nouveau riche, you will not go far. On nationalism too ..

      And what other ideology can "those in power" offer today?
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 8 February 2021 16: 42
        -15%
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        And what other ideology can "those in power" offer today?
        Are you, like a chick with a wide open beak, shouting at the authorities so that they can put some tasty treats into them? And all the time you are indignant that they are pushing the wrong thing. You don't want to offer anything yourself or you can't.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 18: 22
          +10
          Quote: sniperino
          You don't want to offer anything yourself or you can't.

          Back in the late 19th century, Marx and Lenin proposed an ideology that worked beautifully. She created a powerful state, achieved 100% literacy of the population, gave women equal rights with men, an 8-hour working day, and a 5-day working week, gave free affordable medicine to the entire population of the country, made it possible for every child to go to pioneer camps, and adults can go to rest homes and sanatoriums at the expense of the enterprise and transfer them for a very long time. And those whom you are defending in this way have broken this state, shoveled public property into their pockets and are conducting a systematic attack on workers' rights, just look at the pension reform or at what excellent Soviet medicine or education has been turned into.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 8 February 2021 18: 57
            -16%
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            you can list for a very long time
            Nothing, I missed that.
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            And those whom you are defending in this way have broken this state ...
            You're lying. I have always opposed the destruction of this state (even when it was called the USSR) through an information war based on lies and the Orange Revolution as a social practice. You just hate the authorities of my country and rejoice at any answers, because a penny to a pretty penny.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 19: 46
              +8
              Quote: sniperino
              I have always opposed the destruction of this state

              In all honesty, none of the ordinary people wanted the collapse of the USSR. Only the "orange revolution" was made "from above", just those who today enjoy the fruits of the thieves' privatization, as well as run the current RF.
              Quote: sniperino
              You just hate the authorities of my country and rejoice at any answers, because a penny to a pretty penny.

              And tell me, why should I praise the current government? For the collapse of medicine? For the collapse of education? For the collapse of the industry? For the sale of enterprises to foreign corporations?
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 9 February 2021 20: 24
                -2
                I agree with almost everything that Yegor said. As always hot, emotional and ... not very specific. You can understand it: everyone has long been tired of all this bloody burden, where there is no life for normal people, from a dying monster that continues to destroy and take lives. Unfortunately, those who can stop it not tired ... recourse
          2. tagil
            tagil 9 February 2021 23: 24
            +1
            And those whom you are defending in this way have broken this state, shoveled public property into their pockets and are conducting a systematic attack on workers' rights, just look at the pension reform or at what excellent Soviet medicine or education has been turned into.
            You know, I will give you some figures on the spending of the fiery fighters of the revolution, and you yourself decide which system and who built it.
            In 1923, 10 rubles were spent on recreation and treatment of the head of the Comintern and the Leningrad party organization Grigory Zinoviev, and 990 rubles, chairman of the Revolutionary Military Council, Leon Trotsky.
            The "chervonny" NEP ruble in 1924 was equal to 2,2 then, or about 33 modern dollars. The workers received an average of fifty rubles a month. In addition to the Caucasian and Crimean resorts, the leaders regularly vacationed abroad, especially in friendly Weimar Germany and Latvia. In 1924 Rykov received for these purposes three thousand (about 45 thousand modern - S. V.) dollars, the secretary of the Central Committee Vyacheslav Molotov 1213 dollars, the chairman of the State Planning Committee Alexander Tsyurupa, who in the film "Lenin in the 18th year" fell at a meeting of the Council of People's Commissars into a hungry swoon - $ 977.
            In 1922, the deputy chairman of the Supreme Council of the National Economy, Ivar Smilga, spent about two thousand gold rubles during treatment abroad, for which he could not provide supporting documents. In an explanatory note to the Central Committee, he admitted that part of the money was spent on clothing, "as well as minor expenses in the form of restaurants, taxis, theaters, and so on."
            I can give an example of how Comrade Kalinin and his other comrades were having fun. I can cite an example of how "Iron Felix" asked to organize a separate prison for the Chekists who lost all their shores. I am not saying this in order to humiliate the achievements of Soviet power (everything that you wrote above is more than true), but only so that you would understand that it is impossible to have an ideal government, an ideal president and an ideal society. And there will always be people dissatisfied with the system, officials, and the ruler. But the worst thing is that these disaffected will be "used" by tolerant Western democrats who will try to destroy our country under any system and government.
    2. Civil
      Civil 8 February 2021 15: 22
      +17
      In Ukraine, capitalism with oligarchy, in Russia, capitalism with oligarchy. Moreover, the Elites are very friendly with capital. What is the meaning of the conflict?
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 8 February 2021 15: 39
        +15
        Quote: Civil
        In Ukraine, capitalism with oligarchy, in Russia, capitalism with oligarchy. Moreover, the Elites are very friendly with capital. What is the meaning of the conflict?

        The meaning of the conflict is that with the help of Ukraine, Western capital influences our capital and forces us to spend resources. Our capital is so dependent on the West that they are afraid of direct confrontation, which is called to the end .. For the reason that our capital has not created anything in Russia for independence. If the West decides to act seriously, then we will face "African" times .. disconnection from SWIFT, a ban on the sale of seeds, electronics, medicines, high-tech equipment in Russia .. All this will entail the strongest social tension ..
        All of this will not happen if our capital once again sacrifices national interests, or rather, our own interests. "National interests" in the capitalist system are equivalent to the interests of a narrow group of individuals.
        I think that our capital is already ready for such sacrifices ..
        All this will only drive the inhabitants of Russia into great poverty, as well as the inhabitants of the LPR. Only a socially oriented state is capable of resisting Western capital .. Only a planned economy will pull Russia out of the abyss, relying on the nationalization of our main competitive advantage - natural resources.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 8 February 2021 16: 21
          -9
          Quote: Svarog
          with the help of Ukraine, Western capital influences our capital and forces us to spend resources. Our capital is so dependent on the West that they are afraid of direct confrontation, which is called to the end ..

          is there a contradiction in your statements?
          If our capital is so fearful, then why did our oligarchy come into conflict with the West?
          Quote: Svarog
          If the West decides to act seriously, then we will face "African" times .. disconnection from SWIFT, a ban on the sale of seeds, electronics, medicines, high-tech equipment in Russia .. All this will entail the strongest social tension ..

          why haven't they applied it so far?
          Quote: Svarog
          All this will not happen if our capital once again sacrifices national interests, or rather, our own interests.

          those. national interests and their own is "the people and the army are united"?
          what do you mean by interests? social tension is it in the national interest?
          Quote: Svarog
          All this will only drive the inhabitants of Russia into great poverty, as well as the inhabitants of the LPR.

          in the sense of "big"? - the people of the Russian Federation have never lived as richly as they have recently !!!!!
          Quote: Svarog
          Only a planned economy will pull Russia out of the abyss

          why did the planned economy not help the USSR?
          Give an example of a successful planned economy independent of the West.
          Quote: Svarog
          relying on the nationalization of our main competitive advantage - natural resources.

          Gazprom is owned by the state (over 50%).
          ps
          in general, in your opus, a contradiction drives a contradiction ... I absolutely do not understand how this fits into one head ...
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 8 February 2021 16: 52
            -8
            Quote: NEOZ
            I absolutely do not understand how it fits into one head
            They say that a thesis and an antithesis in one head is schizophrenia, and there is so much mixed in here ... But there is also not a clinical, but a pedagogical version: they taught me to lie only in a short one, but in a long one it is already beginning to get confused in indications, pedagogical neglect.
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 18: 28
            +13
            Quote: NEOZ
            the people of the Russian Federation have never lived as richly as they have recently !!!!!

            Well, you know how to cheer up)))) But my refrigerator has the opposite point of view.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 8 February 2021 19: 00
              -13%
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              But my refrigerator has the opposite point of view.
              You don't get paid here? Look for a job.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 19: 48
                +6
                Quote: sniperino
                You don't get paid here? Look for a job.

                Here, this is where? And at the expense of work, I have been creating jobs for myself for a long time.
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 9 February 2021 17: 16
                  -3
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  this is how I have been creating jobs for myself for a long time.

                  a loser blogger or something ??????
                  and if you create for yourself, why are you complaining about your refrigerator? - complain about yourself!
            2. NEOZ
              NEOZ 9 February 2021 12: 29
              -7
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Well, you know how to cheer up)))) But my refrigerator has the opposite point of view.

              you just do not fit into the market ... healthy capitalism allows up to 10% of the poor from the population, look at the level of beggars in Western European countries, so there will be 6-9% of beggars.
              ps
              I finished school in the 90s, 50 people graduated (25 people + 25 people, 2 classes). out of 50 people, it is reliably known about 2 "oligarchs" (apartments / houses / Porsches / Bentleys / Maldives) from the issue, as well as about 5 alcohol bums .... the rest are about the same (apartment in a mortgage / cheap foreign car / a couple of children). ... and so it was not Putin who made the five alcoholics, but they made themselves that way ...
              1. bad
                bad 10 February 2021 07: 10
                +16
                Quote: NEOZ
                So, it was not Putin who made the five alcohol abusers, but they made themselves so.

                Certainly not Putin, but the previous "activist", and not five, but several million. Putin just continues
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 10 February 2021 12: 42
                  -1
                  Quote: malo
                  Certainly not Putin, but the previous "activist", and not five, but several million. Putin just continues

                  what are you writing?
                  I gave an example from my life, where out of 50 people of the same material wealth, two oligarchs and five alcoholics grew up. I believe that the five alcoholics made themselves !!!! they had every opportunity to be normal people (work, have children, etc.) but they chose alcohol ... Putin has to do with ???
                  1. BMP-2
                    BMP-2 10 February 2021 15: 02
                    0
                    I believe that five alcoholics have made themselves !!!!
                    Well, this is only a subjective opinion, only to a small extent corresponding to reality. Back in 1971 at Stanford, in an experiment by Philip Zimbordo, it was shown that the dominant factor in the formation of individual human behavior is the social environment. And to think that a person himself determines everything in his life is a serious delusion. yes
          3. bad
            bad 10 February 2021 06: 52
            +15
            You, I see, as always either "naive fool turn on ", or do verbiage. Why? Are you paid for this? Explain
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 10 February 2021 12: 45
              -1
              Quote: malo
              You, I see, as always, either "turn on the naive", or are engaged in verbiage. What for?

              what do you mean by verbiage?
              Quote: malo
              Are you paid for this?

              no, it's a shame for the state.
              Quote: malo
              Explain

              Explain on what topic you want explanations, what is not clear to you? - I'll be happy to explain to you!
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 8 February 2021 16: 29
          -6
          Quote: Svarog
          relying on the nationalization of our main competitive advantage - natural resources.

          why didn't natural resources save Iraq? why not save Iran / Libya / Syria.
          which countries were saved by resource nationalization?
          if it's all about the availability of resources, do countries without resources have no chance? does Britain have a chance? Does the EU have a chance? what about the PRC?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 8 February 2021 18: 21
            +11
            Quote: NEOZ
            why didn't natural resources save Iraq?

            Though I try not to answer the trolls, but I will answer you .. Patamucht that Russia is not Iraq ..or you are already comparing Russia with Iraq .. that's where the zaputintsy got to .. and there is nuclear weapons in Iraq? What do you think if it were not for the USSR and not for its unnecessary galoshi..in modern Russia would be nuclear weapons?
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 9 February 2021 12: 36
              -5
              Quote: Svarog
              Though I try not to answer the trolls

              of course, why be responsible for the words !!!!
              Quote: Svarog
              Patam that Russia is not Iraq

              both there and there people ... it's a big mistake to think of yourself as special ...
              Quote: Svarog
              .that's what the zaputintsy got to ..

              unreasonable greatness is the path to disaster!
              I want to remind you that 30 years ago the USSR lost the competition and collapsed, Russia is 40% a fragment of the USSR ...
      2. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 15: 44
        +6
        hi
        Quote: Civil
        In Ukraine, capitalism with oligarchy, in Russia, capitalism with oligarchy. Moreover, the Elites are very friendly with capital. What is the meaning of the conflict?

        Pockets are all the same different, that's why they are fighting for the "filling" of their pockets with our peoples.
      3. WIKI
        WIKI 8 February 2021 15: 49
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        What is the meaning of the conflict?

        Nevertheless, it would be logical to voice as often and louder as possible that reunification with the Russian Federation is inevitable,

        Of course, you can voice it for many years. Only people's patience is not unlimited. And the meaning of the conflict is that Russia's main goal is to push the LPNR into Ukraine. And make them a thorn in one place. There is no time for people here. Geopolitics however.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 15: 53
          +10
          Quote: WIKI
          push the LDNR into Ukraine. And to make them a thorn in one place. There is no time for people here. Geopolitics however.

          It is a betrayal of national interests, not geopolitics.
          1. BMP-2
            BMP-2 10 February 2021 15: 07
            0
            Perhaps it would be more correct to say not "national interests", but "people's interests". Although I may not understand something wink
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 10 February 2021 15: 18
              +1
              Quote: BMP-2
              Perhaps it would be more correct to say not "national interests", but "people's interests". Although I may not understand something

              You are absolutely right, the interests of the people should have been written.
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 8 February 2021 16: 03
          +10
          Quote: WIKI
          And the meaning of the conflict is that the main goal of Russia is to push the LPNR into Ukraine. And make them a thorn in one place. There is no time for people here. Geopolitics however.

          This is pure betrayal. Betrayal of people who died and continue to defend themselves and the Russian language. This geopolitics is doomed.
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 8 February 2021 16: 27
            -1
            Quote: Svarog
            Betrayal of people who died and continue to defend themselves and the Russian language.

            In high offices, this topic is viewed only as a means of internal propaganda among the electorate.
          2. O-2-2
            O-2-2 9 February 2021 21: 52
            0
            What to protect the Russian language from ?! On what basis are conclusions drawn? TV RF? Then yes! Defend! Yourself? Didn't the riflemen start the executions? Not?
        3. sniperino
          sniperino 8 February 2021 17: 21
          -6
          Quote: WIKI
          And the meaning of the conflict is that the main goal of Russia is to push the LPNR into Ukraine.
          You are a straight chess strategist: at once you have figured out the main goal of Russia. You yourself will not be from the Vasyuki?
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 8 February 2021 17: 25
            -3
            Saratov we are.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 8 February 2021 17: 37
              -7
              Quote: WIKI
              Saratov we are.
              Where the Nazi wars began, Russia did not push anyone into the fascist state. And why Donbass? There is no territorial division here, as, for example, between North Ossetia and Georgia, but all over the country there are farmstead Nazis among ordinary people, and they are covered by the fascist state, whose orders they work out as workers in the sphere of sexual services. Otherwise, Donbass on the right bank of the Dnieper will end somewhere. What do they teach you in Saratov ... Or rather, study according to Soros's program
              1. WIKI
                WIKI 8 February 2021 19: 47
                +1
                Quote: sniperino
                Russia did not push anyone into the fascist state.

                Russia's position in the Normandy format is not proof that it is striving for the inclusion of the LDNR in Ukraine. "President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, President of the French Republic Francois Hollande and Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany Angela Merkel confirm full respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine." Or Putin's position is not proof for you. https://ria.ru/20150212/1047311428.html
                1. sniperino
                  sniperino 9 February 2021 09: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: WIKI
                  full respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine
                  You do not have a state approach to the problem, but, at best, the attitude of a khataskraynik: those who remained behind the demarcation line and further from the LPNR do not sway you. It is possible that this is not your case, and the LPNR does not bother you, because your “for” shines in the comments: for fascism, for the war.
              2. 210ox
                210ox 9 February 2021 09: 26
                +1
                Is Russia pushing Donbass into a fascist state? Of course not. But it officially confirms Ukraine's sovereignty over this territory. It just follows the path of freezing the conflict.
      4. The popuas
        The popuas 8 February 2021 15: 53
        -4
        The violent ones were ordered hi
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 8 February 2021 16: 52
          +7
          Quote: Popuas
          The violent ones were ordered

          Well yes. Those who fought for socialism, for the revival of the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic. Such a book is "Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic. The Shot Dream" (by V. Kornilov) Now we see how its second volume is being written in reality. And will it come out when "on paper" ..... in 50 years, probably.
      5. NEOZ
        NEOZ 8 February 2021 16: 04
        -4
        Quote: Civil
        In Ukraine, capitalism with oligarchy, in Russia, capitalism with oligarchy. Moreover, the Elites are very friendly with capital. What is the meaning of the conflict?

        such a question does not arise for you when you talk about the causes of the First World War?
      6. Ros 56
        Ros 56 8 February 2021 16: 42
        0
        Frankly speaking, you are primitive. And I am completely silent about the fact that the fascist Banderlogists rule the show in Ukraine.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 8 February 2021 18: 23
          +6
          Quote: Ros 56
          Frankly speaking, you are primitive. And I am completely silent about the fact that the fascist Banderlogists rule the show in Ukraine.

          So if nothing is done, they would have ruled in Russia .. You need to work .. especially with the post-Soviet countries.
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 9 February 2021 08: 36
            0
            Immediately on your comment, the question: who worked with us, in the 90s, we also almost fell into this pit? Putin came in time and pulled the country with his comrades-in-arms by the hair, so that they wouldn't talk about him. Therefore, they bark and pinch like striped snakes at us with their lackeys. Nobody argues, there are plenty of jambs and GDP has enough, so the one who does nothing is not mistaken.
            Of course, it is necessary to work with the post-Soviet ones, but only with those who are drawn to Russia, like the Donbass, which has proven it with blood, and freeloaders are not needed for hell.
            1. BMP-2
              BMP-2 10 February 2021 15: 35
              0
              "Only Allah is perfect!" (C) laughing The question is not where to get leadership that will not make mistakes. The question is, if an error is found, then why isn't it fixed? And about "working only with those who stretch" - it seems to me that this is not a very reasonable approach: after all, flies mostly flock to honey ... and in order for the amount of honey to grow, you do not need to wait until the bees and flycatchers themselves pull up ...
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 10 February 2021 15: 46
                0
                You are very much mistaken, bees fly to honey, and only flies to shit and flycatchers. Poor observation will let you down and someday lead you to trouble.
                1. BMP-2
                  BMP-2 10 February 2021 15: 49
                  0
                  Well, well. winked Then I sincerely wish you good luck waiting for the bees. love
  2. aars
    aars 8 February 2021 15: 17
    0
    The demonization of Ukraine and its adherents, as well as a critical attitude towards the passive part of Ukrainians who support the regime, should not be based on bored postulates a la Rostislav Ishchenko (they will freeze there, die, scatter, Ukraine will fall apart, etc.), but on irreconcilable hatred of fascism (as the central idea of ​​today's Ukraine) in any of its manifestations, whether it be skinhead stormtroopers or a passive silent majority.
    Sound thought, well said.
    It is difficult to argue at least something.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 8 February 2021 16: 34
      +3
      Quote: aars
      Sound thought, well said.
      It is difficult to argue at least something.

      bad thought!
      dehumanizing ukrantsev is the same as dehumanizing Russian (they are not people) in Nazi Germany !!!
      the author of the idea proposes to become fascists ourselves ...
      ps
      you got divorced, and you are happy .... well, you need to think a little bit !!!!
      1. aars
        aars 8 February 2021 16: 39
        -2
        In practice, there are Ukrainian fascists (Banderas), their accomplices and silent, indifferent impotent.
        It is true that fascism is in fact the central idea of ​​today's Ukraine.
        I see nothing wrong, unprofitable, etc. in the demonization of Ukraine.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 8 February 2021 16: 46
          -1
          Quote: aars
          I see nothing wrong, unprofitable, etc. in the demonization of Ukraine.

          What are your plans for Ukraine? ...
          if you have plans for the physical destruction of Ukrainians, then you are going in the right direction.
          1. aars
            aars 8 February 2021 16: 50
            +2
            I have no definite plans. I do not consider dismemberment either easy to implement or beneficial to us.
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 8 February 2021 18: 24
            +6
            Quote: NEOZ
            if you have plans for the physical destruction of Ukrainians, then you are going in the right direction.

            So you are, a real fascist.
            1. NEOZ
              NEOZ 9 February 2021 12: 38
              0
              Quote: Svarog
              So you are, a real fascist.

              justify?
      2. sniperino
        sniperino 8 February 2021 18: 20
        0
        Quote: NEOZ
        bad thought!
        The thought may not be bad, but it is expressed badly. Not demonization of Ukraine, but analysis of the situation in / on (whatever you want) Ukraine should proceed from the recognition, on the one hand, of the fact of a fascist state, in which aggressive Nazis and their accomplices are fighting under state cover against the Russian world (language and culture), and on the other the presence of anti-fascist forces in military-political life and information space. Instead of demonization. And Donbass is part of this struggle, its military foothold.
        1. aars
          aars 8 February 2021 20: 26
          +3
          Quote: sniperino
          against the Russian world (language and culture)
          Why is no one fighting only "for" ?!

          Once Bandera banned the Russian language in cinemas.
          And nothing, no reaction.

          Another example - once in America, blacks were allowed to travel on buses only in black seats.
          Blacks began to walk and the bus companies quickly won back - profits fell.

          What prevented the supporters of the Russian language and culture in Ukraine from stopping attending cinemas?
          It'S Nothing!
          There was nothing to do, no protests, no gestures, just stay at home on the couch!
          But the attendance did not change significantly.

          There is no Russian world, not at all!
          This Russian is not needed locally in practice.
          There are no supporters of it not in words.
          There are no those who are ready to give up at least a little comfort!
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 8 February 2021 20: 42
            -1
            Quote: aars
            Why nobody fights only "for"
            Are you nobody? How can you be responsible for everyone, being nobody? You didn't ask everyone. No, no ... And you, it turns out, no. Nihilism has been well described by F.M. Dostoevsky.
            1. aars
              aars 8 February 2021 20: 54
              +2
              Okay, no one is too much ...
              Is there a statistically significant value?
  3. matross
    matross 8 February 2021 15: 18
    +8
    It is logical. If Ukraine is anti-Russia, then the LPR should be anti-Ukraine.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 15: 20
      0
      Quote: matRoss
      It is logical. If Ukraine is anti-Russia, then the LPR should be anti-Ukraine.

      No, the LDNR must become Russia. The LDNR can also expand, of course.
      1. matross
        matross 8 February 2021 15: 23
        +3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        LDNR should become Russia.

        Yes, in perspective. I'm talking about the current moment.
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 15: 48
          +4
          Quote: matRoss
          Yes, in perspective. I'm talking about the current moment.

          This could and should have been done back in 2014-15. And today the LDNR, as a "showcase of the Russian World", looks very unpresentable.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 8 February 2021 16: 37
            -3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            This could and should have been done back in 2014-15.

            hindsight everyone is strong ...
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            And today the LDNR, as a "showcase of the Russian World", looks very unpresentable.

            can a war look presentable? are you carrying that?
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 17: 33
              0
              Quote: NEOZ
              can a war look presentable? are you carrying that?

              And what does the war have to do with it? Is it about war? We are talking about the life of ordinary people in the LDNR, even against the background of Ukraine it looks "so-so" to put it mildly.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 8 February 2021 19: 39
                0
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                even against the background of Ukraine, it looks "so-so" to put it mildly.
                Against the background of ordinary fascism?
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 19: 53
                  0
                  Quote: sniperino
                  Ordinary fascism.

                  Yes, there is fascism in Ukraine, but this does not make the life of ordinary people in the LPNR better. We have many refugees in the Kuban from there, according to their stories, it is worse there than we had in the 90s.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 8 February 2021 20: 54
                    -2
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Yes, there is fascism in Ukraine, but this does not make the life of ordinary people in the LPNR better
                    And fascism is generally not suitable for improving life. You seem to want to fight him, but in a strange way, telling how bad it is to live in Russia and throwing feces towards the Russian government, which is the main force that keeps the Nazis from a massive attack on the LPR. An army is strong only when there is power.
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 21: 10
                      +7
                      Quote: sniperino
                      the Russian government, which is the main force that keeps the fascists from a massive strike on the LPNR.

                      And do not tell me why the Russian government recognized the fascist regime in Ukraine? Why trade with Ukraine? Why did they not annex the LDNR when they asked to be part of Russia? This is called trying to sit on two chairs. We would like to end fascism in Ukraine, we would have done it back in 2014-15.
                      Quote: sniperino
                      telling how bad it is to live in Russia and throwing feces towards the Russian authorities

                      I already answered you above, I will repeat:
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      And tell me, why should I praise the current government? For the collapse of medicine? For the collapse of education? For the collapse of the industry? For the sale of enterprises to foreign corporations?
                      1. sniperino
                        sniperino 9 February 2021 00: 06
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Why did the Russian authorities recognize the fascist regime in Ukraine?
                        It's a lie. Zelensky went to power under anti-fascist slogans, promising to be a verdict for the fascist Poroshenko. In this capacity, he was recognized not only by Putin, but also by the internal opposition, for example, Shariy, who fought against Gunpowder and Nazi lawlessness in a network from Europe then, and now continues his line, but already with a party of Ukrainian citizens who understand how their president changed his shoes. for which there were 70% of voters, and how he became a fascist, even more so than Poroshenko was. Your position is rotten and of little interest.
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 9 February 2021 00: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: sniperino
                        It's a lie. Zelensky went to power under the slogans of anti-fascist, ...

                        Stop it, Russia recognized the elections in Ukraine, when Poroshenko was "elected", recognized the fascist Poroshenko as president, and even his confectionery factory in Russia was quietly working for itself, or is your memory like a fish - two minutes? And what have you dragged Zelensky to? The fascist regime was recognized together with Poroshenko, back in 2014, here is the link: https://tass.ru/politika/1398162 What are you completely lying, or do you have memory lapses?
                2. MBRSS
                  MBRSS 8 February 2021 23: 19
                  +3
                  many refugees from there, according to their stories, there is worse than we had in the 90s.

                  Not certainly in that way. I have relatives in the LPR. They say you can live, although they are not chic. They are not going to leave for Russia (but there was an opportunity).
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 23: 32
                    0
                    Quote: MBRBS
                    Not certainly in that way. I have relatives in the LPR. They say you can live, although they are not chic. They are not going to leave for Russia (but there was an opportunity).

                    One friend of mine in the DPR lives by the fact that he is engaged in some kind of smuggling, what exactly, I was not interested, wrote off, says that you will not find work. The second refugees, settled here, in the Kuban, the husband is a truck driver, the wife says that the situation there is such that for an extra word they can lead them into the forest. Believe them or not, I do not know, I cannot check them. But in any case, they live there very poorly.
    2. aars
      aars 8 February 2021 15: 24
      0
      LDNR is needed by Russia only and exclusively as a lever of pressure on Ukraine.
      Like a stake from the rear of Ukraine, a constant threat.
      But not part of it.
      You need a separate subject to hang dogs on.
      So that Russia was somehow out of business.
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 15: 50
        0
        Quote: aars
        LDNR is needed by Russia only and exclusively as a lever of pressure on Ukraine.
        Like a stake from the rear of Ukraine, a constant threat.
        But not part of it.
        You need a separate subject to hang dogs on.
        So that Russia was somehow out of business.

        What you write is called a betrayal of the interests of the Russian people. Or do you think another nation lives in the LDNR?
        1. aars
          aars 8 February 2021 16: 00
          +1
          I do not divide my fellow countrymen, and Russian citizens in general, by nation.
          Compatriots with any hair color, eye shape, language of communication are important for me.
          We don't like Muscovites either, to put it mildly.
          Also without distinction of nationality.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ 8 February 2021 16: 39
        -2
        Quote: aars
        LDNR is needed by Russia only and exclusively as a lever of pressure on Ukraine.

        Why does the RF need this lever? what should the Russian Federation put pressure on and how?
        what do we want from Ukraine? and how will this leverage help?
        Quote: aars
        So that Russia was somehow out of business.

        why such secrecy?
        1. aars
          aars 8 February 2021 16: 43
          -1
          Press on anything, depending on the situation.
          How?
          Elementary - but now the LDNR will start an offensive.
          Stealth for the fact that before - volunteers are at war, if Russia controls them, it is limited.
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ 8 February 2021 16: 50
            -1
            Quote: aars
            Press on anything, depending on the situation.

            thanks .... no more questions ...
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 9 February 2021 00: 14
          0
          Quote: NEOZ
          why such secrecy?
          Moreover, it's a good thing, even in Ossetia, let them ask, even in Europe, from those ordinary people who look after the monuments to the Soviet soldier.
      3. sniperino
        sniperino 9 February 2021 00: 08
        -1
        Quote: aars
        LDNR is necessary for Russia only and exclusively
        Did you drop the rest of your needs outright, or did you piece by piece by elimination?
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 8 February 2021 15: 50
      -2
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      Quote: matRoss
      It is logical. If Ukraine is anti-Russia, then the LPR should be anti-Ukraine.

      No, the LDNR must become Russia. The LDNR can also expand, of course.

      All Slavic states should become Russia. Otherwise, the fragmentation will continue and with the deterioration of the economic situation, it may migrate to Russia itself.
      The empire must be rebuilt based on the ideas of social justice and equality. But for this, we need a left turn, without revolutions and upheavals .. Until the cooperative "rules" we will not see it .. And then, most likely, it will be too late.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 8 February 2021 16: 03
        +5
        Quote: Svarog

        All Slavic states should become Russia. Otherwise, the fragmentation will continue and with the deterioration of the economic situation, it may migrate to Russia itself.

        Eh, Svarog ... sometimes I am simply amazed by the flight of your imagination laughing
        How do you represent Poland as part of Russia ??? Over ardent Russophobes.
        How do you plan to include Bulgaria, Slovenia, Slovakia in Russia, and defeat NATO on the quiet?
        Ukraine with the Uniates and Galicia - what to do? Do you think they are dreaming of joining Our State?
        Stop carrying your "revolutionary" nonsense, look at the World Order in reality!
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 8 February 2021 16: 13
          +1
          Quote: Hunter 2
          How do you represent Poland as part of Russia ??? Over ardent Russophobes.

          Nothing is impossible. It all depends on the goals that the state sets for itself. Of course, Poland is a distant prospect, you need to start with Ukraine and Belarus.
          Ukraine with the Uniates and Galicia - what to do? Do you think they are dreaming of joining Our State?

          Now nobody dreams of joining Russia at all ... and will not dream. In order for such a desire to appear, we need to work hard .. And if we wait for someone who wants something .. we will never wait .. or rather wait until the hands of the Ukrainians, Poles, Balts, will unleash a war.
          Stop carrying your "revolutionary" nonsense, look at the World Order in reality!

          There are no revolutionary ideas ... and even less bullshit. Nonsense is being carried today through federal channels.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 8 February 2021 16: 21
            +2
            This is from the category - never! Do you understand the meaning of the concept of National Memory? Religious differences - do you consider? Yes, you do not take into account anything, so blurted out without thinking. But - the federal channels remembered, well, yes - you are the beacon of truth on VO laughing laughing laughing
            Well, this (your comment) is the answer to the question: When - Then! With all the difference in our views, I had a better opinion of you.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 8 February 2021 16: 28
              0
              This is from the category - never! Do you understand the meaning of the concept of National Memory?

              In the USA, the Indians were practically exterminated and nothing prevents them from living in the USA with their national memory.
              Religious differences - do you consider?

              Catholics and Orthodox? Yes, religion has long been degraded and does not have the strength that it was 100 years ago ..
              Quote: Hunter 2
              Well, this (your comment) is the answer to the question: When - Then!

              Listen .. I'm just expressing my vision, development vectors. The stump is clear that now it is not possible at all ... and it will not be possible until statesmen are in power.
              With all the difference in our views, I had a better opinion of you.

              Your opinion about me interests me last. I was not upset. hi
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 8 February 2021 16: 38
                -2
                That's what you can't take away the liberals, you slip out like a snake laughing How can Poland be incorporated into Russia? How to include Bulgaria and other Slavic States (NATO members)? Enough balaboling - answer the question!
                Actually I - flattered you, good opinion and never was negative just a matryoshka with many disguises, sitting at home and criticizing Power ... it's so fashionable wink to the Barricades ... home strategist! laughing
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 8 February 2021 16: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Hunter 2
                  How can Poland be incorporated into Russia? How to include Bulgaria and other Slavic States (NATO members)? Enough balaboling - answer the question!

                  It is necessary to propose an idea that would be accepted by 90% of society and not only accepted, but proved its effectiveness in Russia itself. This is an example of the USA 60-90 years .. which, with the help of the idea and the Colt, crushed most of the world for themselves, the example of the USSR. There are enough methods of how to make an enemy-state-partner and ally out of the state, and they are known to specialists. Naturally, this is not done in one year, it will take decades. But it is possible. What history itself has demonstrated more than once.
                  Actually, I flattered you, had a good opinion and was never negative just a matryoshka with many disguises, sitting at home and criticizing Power ... it's so Fashionable wink on the Barricades ... home strategist!

                  Well ... the hysteria out of the blue began laughing
                  1. Hunter 2
                    Hunter 2 8 February 2021 16: 50
                    +1
                    For five hundred years, Russia was at war with Poland! During this time, there was everything - from beating to stroking! Salvation from complete annihilation to the occupation ... As then, and now - a Russophobic non-state, trading in its sovereignty! Demagogue you Svarog and balabol!
                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 8 February 2021 16: 56
                      +2
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      For five hundred years, Russia was at war with Poland! During this time, there was everything - from beating to stroking! Salvation from complete annihilation to the occupation ... As then, and now - a Russophobic non-state, trading in its sovereignty! Demagogue you Svarog and balabol!

                      I do not argue that now Poland is a Russophobic state ... And there are a lot of such Russophobic states .. and many have become after the collapse of the USSR. And it keeps getting bigger. Why it happens? Because Russia gives nothing to the world. There are no ideas or technologies .. Russia has become small shopkeepers and dropped to the level of the countries of the USSR vassals ..
                      Here everyone is engaged in demagoguery and balabolism .. and you are in the forefront, like me .. But the difference is that everything suits you and you do not want a better life for the once great state .. and I would like to see Russia as such.
                    2. Hunter 2
                      Hunter 2 8 February 2021 17: 04
                      -3
                      The whole difference is that every day I make Russia a Great State, I train fighters, I work with Children - and you just repeat like a mantra “you have stolen everything”. Well, you are a lousy writer, and a "revolutionary" is too fearful. negative good luck "fighter".
                    3. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 17: 55
                      +3
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      The only difference is that every day I make Russia a Great State, I train fighters, I work with Children - and you just repeat like a mantra “you have stolen everything”.

                      I don’t know how to the fighters, but you, with your liberal, egoistic convictions, should not be allowed to approach the children with your liberal, selfish convictions.
                    4. Svarog
                      Svarog 8 February 2021 18: 10
                      +1
                      Quote: Hunter 2
                      The only difference is that every day I make Russia a Great State, I train fighters, I work with Children - and you just repeat like a mantra “you have stolen everything”.

                      Fighters are fewer and fewer every year .. not annoying? For the whole city half a million this year there are fewer of us .. Doesn't it bother you? Or don't care, the main thing is the salary is good ..
                      You and others like you for 30 years have equaled Russia with African countries .. what kind of greatness are you talking about?
                      Well, the writer of you is useless, and the "revolutionary" is too fearful

                      So I don't pretend to be a writer or a revolutionary.
                      good luck "fighter".

                      Have a nice one you too..
    4. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 8 February 2021 17: 51
      0
      Quote: Hunter 2
      How do you represent Poland as part of Russia ???

      Has Poland ever been a part of Russia? And Poland was in the Warsaw Pact. There was no question of any Russophobia then.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      How do you plan to include Bulgaria, Slovenia, Slovakia in Russia, and defeat NATO on the quiet?

      It is possible and not a part of Russia, I would be satisfied with an organization like the Warsaw Pact and CMEA.
      However, your current libarastic idols have ruined both the USSR and the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact.

      Quote: Hunter 2
      Ukraine with the Uniates and Galicia - what to do? Do you think they are dreaming of joining Our State?

      What does the Uniates have to do with it? Did they urinate in your slippers? If religion is separate from the state, then it does not matter what kind of religion someone has.
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Stop carrying your "revolutionary" nonsense, look at the World Order in reality!

      The current "world order" adored by you will bring Russia to complete degradation and disintegration.
  4. Odysseus
    Odysseus 8 February 2021 16: 21
    +6
    Quote: Svarog
    All Slavic states should become Russia. Otherwise, the fragmentation will continue and with the deterioration of the economic situation, it may migrate to Russia itself.

    In general, I agree, but about "all Slavic" you went too far. Pan-Slavism, of course, is a good ideology, but now, alas, it is completely inoperative.
    In the event of the restoration of Soviet power, one can count on a Union of Belarus and Ukraine (without the West). The main problem will be Kazakhstan (the key republic of the former USSR after Russia). The rest are optional.
    Quote: Svarog
    An empire needs to be rebuilt

    Not an empire, an equal union. Empire in the era of globalism is a terrible archaic and, most importantly, it will not be able to attract anyone, we will only aggravate the conflict with neighbors and the whole world.
    Quote: Svarog
    But for this, a left turn is needed, without revolutions and upheavals

    Alas, this is also impossible. Look, Putin cannot even give up power to Navalny without upheavals. But between them there are no social-class differences at all.
    You want the Putin-Abramovichs to voluntarily give up the stolen property without shocks and revolutions ... This is a utopia.
    The maximum you can make the revolution almost bloodless. This is ideal.
  5. NEOZ
    NEOZ 8 February 2021 16: 40
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    All Slavic states should become Russia.

    and not Slavic should not? .... decipher what you mean.
  6. NEOZ
    NEOZ 8 February 2021 16: 43
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    But for this, a left turn is needed, without revolutions and upheavals .. Until the cooperative "rules" this we will not see ..

    are you playing along to the west? - he, for some reason, is very eager to change Putin ... for anyone ... just not Putin ...
    Quote: Svarog
    And then, most likely, it will be late.

    why do you think so? what is your claim based on?
    was it not too late in 1917? is it too late in 1991?
  7. O-2-2
    O-2-2 9 February 2021 22: 14
    0
    Have you asked the Slavic states? Imperial, huavei! An empire with social justice and equality ?! A left turn without revolutions? What did you cook in your head? Porridge from an ax? Simply the best!
  • Interlocutor
    Interlocutor 8 February 2021 15: 23
    +4
    What a fruitful propaganda platform. And what a stable one. A couple of articles a week. And everything is just about the LPR, DPR, LPR, DPR. Oh well
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 8 February 2021 15: 42
      -2
      Quote: Interlocutor
      What a fruitful propaganda platform. And what a stable one. A couple of articles a week. And everything is just about the LPR, DPR, LPR, DPR. Oh well

      ===
      counterpropaganda. How else? it is enough to look at ukrokanaly, and the media of ex-republics are not particularly ceremonious.
  • anjey
    anjey 8 February 2021 15: 29
    +5
    First of all, the ideology of a strong, rich and free people with a Great History should first appear in Russia itself. But the question is - Where are the Oligators leading us and who are we for them? From this and all the failures of the old and new ideology.
    1. anjey
      anjey 8 February 2021 15: 43
      +6
      Because of these failures, all sorts of bulk, nurtured in the West and poking at our shortcomings and shortcomings inside the country appear. Russia should become a kind of political magnet, to which I would like to reach and become a part of it for many people and countries. Then it will be its revival. ...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 8 February 2021 16: 00
        +5
        Quote: anjey
        Because of these failures, all sorts of bulk, nurtured in the West and poking at our shortcomings and shortcomings inside the country appear. Russia should become a kind of political magnet, to which I would like to reach and become a part of it for many people and countries. Then it will be its revival. ...

        Absolutely agree. We need an idea that will promote development not only within the state, but also attract others. This idea is and is even the leader - Platoshkin and new socialism.
        1. anjey
          anjey 8 February 2021 16: 23
          +4
          There are no real new, seasoned in real battles, unmercenaries who have authority and can lead the people, the example of Mozgova, cleaned up by the oligarchy, but the breakdown of the system is always Big blood, shocks and chaos, so we can only hope that the Russian oligarch will correctly perceive its people and identify with him, share with him and pull him out of poverty, maybe the US sanctions will even help in this, there will be no capital outflow, financial investments will be inside the country in new infrastructure, so that we have the patience and work that will grind everything. And if the conclusions are not drawn by the oligators, then yes, Blood and Chaos awaits us.
        2. Avior
          Avior 8 February 2021 23: 07
          0
          You need not only an idea, but also attractive results of this idea
          And not such an idea is needed, which is retrospectively adjusted to the results
  • Undecim
    Undecim 8 February 2021 16: 23
    +12
    Nevertheless, it would be logical to voice as often and louder as possible that reunification with the Russian Federation is inevitable,
    The author, the lie that you propagate is a sin.
    An ideology based on lies has no prospects.
  • Kronos
    Kronos 8 February 2021 16: 30
    +3
    In other words, the author proposes to smear slogans and the image of the enemy instead of bread, fooling the population according to the Ukrainian version.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 8 February 2021 16: 46
    0
    Empty in the article. They just reminded that they have known for so long.

    On the other hand, what did they want from the buffer zone?
    Breakthrough? Any popular trends? Socialism, Cossacks, Russian Spring?
    The Moor did his job, the Moor left.

    Polite people without signs of belonging will explain if anything.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 8 February 2021 16: 52
    +3
    As in the past, I attended political information.
    Author, what is the ideology after 1991?
    1. for
      for 8 February 2021 22: 06
      +2
      Quote: Dimid
      As in the past, I attended political information.

      In the past (USSR), political information was like a lecture on the international situation, now it is like reports from the fields of war.
  • cniza
    cniza 8 February 2021 17: 18
    +1
    It is Ukraine that should be made guilty of all today's difficulties, problems and failures.


    Why appointed, she is the culprit, headed by the existing and past power ...
  • Konnick
    Konnick 8 February 2021 21: 31
    -2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    And do not tell me why the Russian government recognized the fascist regime in Ukraine? Why trade with Ukraine? Why did they not annex the LDNR when they asked to be part of Russia? This is called trying to sit on two chairs. We would like to end fascism in Ukraine, we would have done it back in 2014-15

    The monument to Nikolai Kuznetsov, "the most outstanding fighter against fascism" in the words of Federico Curie, was demolished back in 1992 and our authorities did not seem to notice. It was then that it was still necessary to break off diplomatic relations with this unfinished business. But we ourselves fought against the communist past, kissed the tricolor and crunched rolls, we had no time for that.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 8 February 2021 23: 24
      +2
      The monument to Nikolai Kuznetsov, "the most outstanding fighter against fascism" in the words of Federico Curie, was demolished back in 1992 and our authorities did not seem to notice.
      It's not good to lie.
      And the monument was not demolished, and the authorities noticed. At the initiative of the head of the Sverdlovsk region administration, Eduard Rossel, the monument was dismantled and installed in 1992 in the city of Talitsa, where it still stands.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 9 February 2021 00: 27
        0
        Quote: Undecim
        It's not good to lie.
        Well, the man did not notice, he says, crunched rolls, kissed the tricolor, fought with the past, now fights with the present. Pioneer.
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 9 February 2021 03: 37
          0
          Very witty, I really want to laugh.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 9 February 2021 08: 10
            -1
            Quote: Konnick
            Very witty, I really want to laugh.
            If someone who was in the pioneer organization asked parents or teachers to tell him what this word means for a pioneer, with whom and how a pioneer can fight, the fun would immediately diminish: he would understand what it means to fight in the context of love to my homeland, I would have thought a hundred times before joining the pioneers. And if he did, he would understand that the system does not need his struggle and makes him an outcast. In old Soviet films, the pioneers were first taught specifically about this struggle, then they took it out of the pioneer everyday life in the field of helping the authorities in the fight against criminals and spies in random, extraordinary situations.
            From the solemn promise in the face of comrades and the oath kiss of the red banner of the squad, an empty ritual emerged that emasculated all ideological content.
            Such an ideological problem is emerging.
      2. svp67
        svp67 9 February 2021 19: 07
        0
        Quote: Undecim
        At the initiative of the head of the Sverdlovsk region administration, Eduard Rossel, the monument was dismantled and installed in 1992 in the city of Talitsa, where it still stands.

        Stop, stop. Dismantling was started by the citizens of Lviv, which is why they asked to give this monument.
        But where did the monument from Rovno go?
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 9 February 2021 19: 39
          +1
          One hundred, stop
          Did you serve in the traffic police?
          But where did the monument from Rovno go?

          Nowhere from Rovno did not disappear. Stands in the Memorial of Glory of the Dubensky Memorial Cemetery.
          1. svp67
            svp67 10 February 2021 06: 15
            0
            Quote: Undecim
            Did you serve in the traffic police?

            Not. Are you in the prosecutor's office or in a special department that cling to words?
            Quote: Undecim
            Nowhere from Rovno did not disappear. Stands in the Memorial of Glory of the Dubensky Memorial Cemetery.

            But it used to be in the center of the city ...
            And in the village of Kamenka, Bereznovsky district, a monument to Hero of the Soviet Union Nikolai Kuznetsov was dismantled. The bust of the intelligence officer was demolished in accordance with the Law of Ukraine "On the condemnation of the communist and national socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes in Ukraine and the prohibition of the propaganda of their symbols"
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 10 February 2021 08: 05
              +1
              Not only in Kamenka. In Klesov and Povcha too.
              Monuments are a problem for the entire post-Soviet space. Russia is no exception.
              1. svp67
                svp67 10 February 2021 10: 46
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                Quote: Undecim
                Monuments are a problem for the entire post-Soviet space.

                Yes, but we have this fad swept in the early 90s, but in Ukraine it still "blows"
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 10 February 2021 13: 11
                  +1
                  Yes, but we have this fad swept
                  Are you sure what happened?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 10 February 2021 13: 51
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                    Quote: Undecim
                    Are you sure what happened?

                    Now yes ... sure. He's gone. Although it is not a fact that it may blow again, we still have monuments to the emperors and Stalin ...
  • Konnick
    Konnick 9 February 2021 03: 47
    +1
    Yeah, in a tolerant way, "dismantled at the request of the Ukrainian comrades."
    Kuznetsov's associate, KGB colonel Nikolai Strutinsky managed to come to an agreement with the head of the Sverdlovsk region administration, Eduard Rossel. The monument to the legendary scout, whose "use of elements" had already been provided for by the Lviv City Council, was removed from Ukraine and installed in Talitsa at the intersection of Lenin and Kuznetsov Streets - Pervomaisky Lane. The former monument was dismantled and the bust was transferred to the village of Kuznetsovsky.
    from wikipedia.
    Why not in Moscow, opposite the Ukrainian embassy?
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 9 February 2021 09: 10
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      Quote: Konnick
      Why not in Moscow, opposite the Ukrainian embassy?
      A typical example of "fighting" with the past: safety and showiness in one bottle.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 9 February 2021 10: 52
    +2
    What Makhov wrote is of course interesting. Only has nothing to do with reality. In order to do this all, it is necessary to install a new iron curtain and not let the inhabitants of the LPNR into Ukraine. For? For the associations are clearly not in favor of the self-proclaimed republics!
    Ukraine still pays pensions to residents of the republics. And these pensions keep the remnants of small business. Considering that this is the land of miners, metallurgists and machine builders, the pensions of people there are rather big by the standards of Ukraine. A miner with a minimum of 25 years of underground experience receives from UAH 7500. And this is 270 killed raccoons. Those who have worked more pensions start at UAH 10000. It is similar for metallurgists and machine builders. And if the ban pension tourism, the republics much things will be bad. Swings it well knows.
    By the way, this is another lever of influence on the republics! And Ukraine, in terms of limiting the payment of pensions, in fact, does not need to change anything radically! Elementarily tie the payment of pensions to the post offices through postmen and voila. Every time for a pension, once a month, you will not dash off. And 2 times the postman did not give his pension, the account is blocked. The identity of the displaced person is withdrawn.
    So Makhov lives in some kind of his own little world. For the usual comparison of life in the republics and at a distance of 15-20 km from the demarcation line speaks for itself! Donetsk Switzerland did not work out. The mines have been closed, metallurgy is barely breathing, however, as is mechanical engineering. In 5-7 years there will be a wild field in the republics, although in fact it already takes place!
  • iouris
    iouris 9 February 2021 14: 09
    -1
    There is always ideology. Even if you are told that it is not. Without ideology, the building of a state is impossible; without a state, society and people cannot exist. The main goals of the leading force of society are expressed in ideology. It can be either a political party or a close-knit narrow group of like-minded people. The main goal of the Russian people after the destruction of the USSR is to survive, survive, and begin development. You won't be able to play with ideology. Russia as a country wider than the state of the Russian Federation. LDNR is Ukraine, Ukraine is Russia. Either we all will survive or everyone is covered, kaput.
  • O-2-2
    O-2-2 9 February 2021 21: 42
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    Fabulous Egor! Again I waved hundreds of extra grams! Oh, you yeshkin political pen!