The first flight to the ISS of the new American spacecraft Starliner with a crew on board postponed

The first test flight with a crew to the ISS of the new American spacecraft Starliner, developed by Boeing, is postponed to a later date. The corresponding decision was made by NASA and the ship's development company.

According to NASA, the new timing of the first flight of Starliner has not yet been precisely determined, but the flight is not planned until September this year. The reasons for the transfer are not named, but with a high probability it can be argued that NASA is "reinsuring" because of the software installed on the ship, which caused problems during the Starliner unmanned flight to the ISS in 2019.

NASA and Boeing plan no earlier than September 2021 ... the first flight of the Starliner with a crew

- says the NASA website.

Initially, the first Starliner test flight with a crew to the ISS was planned for 2020, but then it was postponed to March this year. NASA astronauts Barry Wilmore, Nicole Aunapu Mann and Michael Fink were supposed to go to the station.

Recall that the first launch in December 2019 of the newest American manned spacecraft Starliner, developed by Boeing, ended in an abnormal situation. The spacecraft entered orbit, but was never able to dock with the ISS due to engine failure. Subsequently, the ship was successfully landed. As it turned out, the reason for this was "a lot of problems" with the ship's software.

In January of this year, Boeing announced the elimination of all software problems and announced the first flight of the ship with a crew on board in March 2021.

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[bar]

It looks like Boeing is getting worse and worse. A trifle, but nice

[military_cat]

Starliner with deadlines going to the right looks bad only against the background of Crew Dragon, which turned out surprisingly well. And against the general background - it is standard.

[Profiler]

The first launch in December 2019 of the newest American manned spacecraft Starliner, developed by Boeing, ended in an abnormal situation. The spacecraft entered orbit, but could not dock with the ISS due to engine failure... Subsequently, the ship was successfully landed. As it turned out, the reason for this was "many problems" with the ship's software.

Oh, this is "ON" ... They only rely on it (on automation), without redundant control in manual mode?

[bar]

Quote: Profiler

Oh, this is the "software" recourse ... Only on it and rely

The trend is towards universal digitalization. The same Boeing tried to treat even the disturbed centering of the 737max with the help of software. The result is well known - aerodynamics defeated computer science.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: bar

even misalignment

You are apparently completely ignorant in this matter, centering in the longitudinal axis is regulated by the front and rear fuel tanks, the weight of the loaded luggage in the front or rear compartment.
We somehow even removed the seats in the front cabin of the Tu-154B and recorded 5 tons of cargo according to documents, but in fact it was 7500 kg.
+ -1500 kg forward / backward do not really feel in control :))
And about the existence of centering front / rear fuel tanks - apparently have not heard?

[bar]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

You are apparently completely ignorant in this matter, centering in the longitudinal axis is regulated by the front and rear fuel tanks, the weight of the loaded luggage in the front or rear compartment.

Apparently a layman, it is impossible to know everything about everything. For what I bought, for what I sell.

During the development of the 737 MAX aircraft, the engines were replaced with more powerful and efficient ones with an increased fan diameter. However, due to their larger size, the new engines could not be replaced in place of the old ones - they had to be carried forward and fixed higher

To mitigate the trend towards an increase in pitch due to new flight geometry due to the engines being farther forward and higher than previous engines, Boeing has added a new agility enhancement system.

And this "system" and ruined him. Something like that. Not everything can be compensated for with software and luggage.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: bar

And this "system" and ruined him. Something like that. Not everything can be compensated for with software and luggage.

Let's remember the first B-737 hundredth series

comparable to the 500-800 series

How far the engines are moved up and forward and the alignment has changed.
Compared to the 800 and NG, the 737 MAX received minor changes in handling, and the hidden MCAS software was designed to level these differences.
Boeing release in 2019

Boeing acknowledged that MCAS played a role in both accidents ... MCAS was designed to mimic the behavior of a similar aircraft in the previous generation of the series, the Boeing 737 NG.

This was done for the convenience of the pilots, so as not to retrain the crews and save time on certification of new software.
Crime - the pilot must know the specifics of the controls

[bar]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

This was done for the convenience of the pilots.

It was done in a hurry in an attempt to get ahead of the Airbus A320neo in the market. Therefore, they saved on fine-tuning the airframe, which was still required with such a major replacement of engines. We decided to replace it with a digital software patch. And at the same time they decided to save money on certification (as if the plane did not change much, and new certification is not needed), and, accordingly, on pilot retraining (since the plane has hardly changed, there is nothing to teach). And that's how it happened. Kroilovo traditionally leads to a popalov. As a result, both people died, and Boeing himself is deep in the anus.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: bar

It was done in a hurry in an attempt to get ahead of the Airbus A320neo in the market.

Definitely!

Quote: bar

Therefore, they saved on fine-tuning the airframe, which was still required with such a major replacement of engines.

Stop - the diameter of the engine is slightly increased - the front landing gear was lengthened by 20 cm, the engine mount was shifted - not drastically - a few tens of cm, so that the gap between the air intake and the strip would remain the same.
LEAP-1B CFM dry weight 2780 kg
CFM56-7B18 dry weight 2380 kg
the difference of 2x400 kg in weight does not radically affect the longitudinal balancing.
And the tendency to increase the pitch is provided for by the design and is regulated by the angle of the stabilizers.
Where did you read this nonsense - not difficult, give a link it is interesting to see who publishes such illiterate articles - I suppose this is a crooked translation of an English source.

[bar]

And the tendency to increase the pitch is provided for by the design and is regulated by the angle of the stabilizers.

Apparently, Boeing thought so. But at some point the quantity turned into quality ...

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

Where did you read this nonsense - not difficult, give a link it is interesting to see who publishes such illiterate articles - I suppose this is a crooked translation of an English source.

This official nonsense, recognized by Boeing itself, is available even on Wikipedia under the link "737 max". I hope you find it.

[Blackmokona]

Starliner has manual and all things to do. And Boeing and NASA unanimously declared that if the crew were on board, the astronauts would fix everything. Only this is not a reason to launch astronauts with buggy software.

[zwlad]

that if the crew were on board, the astronauts would fix everything

Would you go into outer space and start the engine from outside?

[orionvitt]

Quote: zwlad

Would you go into outer space and start the engine from outside?

Exactly. For this case, Russian cosmonauts always have a crooked starter on board.

[Blackmokona]

There was a wrong start of the engines, they would have been turned off with a button, and then started in the adjusted timer.

[RUSS]

Quote: bar

It looks like Boeing is getting worse and worse. A trifle, but nice

Well, yes, be glad that your neighbor's cow is dead.

[bar]

Quote: RUSS

Well, yes, be glad that your neighbor's cow is dead.

I'm not really angry. When he dies completely, I will remember with a kind word

[Serpet]

the reason for this was "many problems" with the ship's software

It is strange to hear this about the brainchild of an American corporation. It is generally accepted that software is snapped like nuts there.

[bar]

Quote: Serpet

It is generally accepted that software is snapped like nuts there.

So it was considered to be up to a powerful proser with 737max, after which Boeing seems to be no longer recovering.

[Blackmokona]

Clicking like nuts, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Tesla and other guys. Not Boeing.

[Roman070280]

Since Soviet times, it has become a tradition that most of our domestic programs were performed in automatic mode (Gagarin, Buran, docking / undocking) .. this despite the fact that our electronics, to put it mildly, was lame ..
At the same time, the Americans, despite their breakaway in this area, preferred to trust humans more in space (Shepard, Shuttle)

[Cowbra]

And what happened?)))
https://twitter.com/i/status/1356702143084814338
It would be necessary to say something like that .... Universal ... Yes, the curators forgot to send the text. There remains only the fact that Rogozin launched a satellite today, and Musk, convicted of fraud ... Well, they didn't give him a trampoline ...

[military_cat]

Quote: Cowbra

Rogozin launched a satellite today, and Musk, convicted of fraud ...

... launched 60 Starlink satellites today, with the next launch expected tomorrow, just a day of difference.

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[Blackmokona]

And the total number of launches is strongly behind Musk this year.
Managed three Falcon-9s to launch before the launch of the Union.
One after launch, and another rocket on the launch pad with satellites preparing for takeoff.

[slipped]

Quote: BlackMokona

Managed three Falcon-9s to launch before the launch of the Union.
One after launch, and another rocket on the launch pad with satellites preparing for takeoff.

He is in a hurry, he is afraid of the illness that his launches will not pay off on time. Tries to quickly deploy the group.

[military_cat]

Well, yes, but we have something to hurry, we have plenty of time to swing.

[slipped]

Quote: military_cat

Well, yes, but we have something to hurry, we have plenty of time to swing.

We have a large program planned for the Sphere project. The system consists of several groups of spacecraft. The start of launches within the framework of the program is planned from 2024.

Extra-budgetary funding from the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Cosmic Communications" (own and borrowed funds) under the Sphere program for the period from 2022 to 2030 is estimated at more than 40 billion rubles.
On the part of "Space Communications" it is planned to develop communications and broadcasting spacecraft of the "Express" series and promising highly elliptical satellites "Express-RV".

Gazprom Space Systems plans to raise a total of about 100 billion rubles under the program. The program from the Gazprom subsidiary includes three areas:
- creation of an assembly plant for spacecraft in Shchelkovo,
- formation and development of the "Smotr" space remote sensing system,
- development of the Yamal satellite communications system.

The ISS company has already begun the development and creation of new small spacecraft of the so-called "devices-devices" of the "Marathon-IoT" group.

[military_cat]

Thank you, speaking manual.

[slipped]

Quote: military_cat

Thank you, speaking manual.

These are media reports If you wish, you can easily find it through Yandex.

[Vadim237]

An enterprise for the collection of Gazprom satellites is already under construction.

[military_cat]

It is not very difficult to build a concrete workshop, it is difficult to provide it with radiation-resistant electronics with up-to-date characteristics when there is no way to import it.

[slipped]

Quote: military_cat

It is not very difficult to build a concrete workshop, it is difficult to provide it with radiation-resistant electronics with up-to-date characteristics when there is no way to import it.

Why should the concrete shop be provided with radiation-resistant electronics? To protect against a nearby nuclear explosion?

This manufactured product must be provided. Well, Russian Space Systems produces such electronics and it has actual characteristics, and it has already been tested on the small spacecraft in space.

[Cosm22]

How I love to read your comments, colleague!
From the series "planned ... will be done ... being developed ... under construction ... being created ... being investigated ... being mastered ... being prepared ... being implemented ... being carried out ... being performed ... being worked out. .. is being evaluated ... the preliminary design is almost ready ... the drawings have been developed ... the prospects are visible ... development has begun ... "
Do you live with Roscosmos only in the future tense? No desire to plunge into reality?

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

How I love to read your comments, colleague!
From the series "planned ...

Great, read on. And then see how it is implemented.

Quote: Cosm22

Do you live with Roscosmos only in the future tense?

Not only, but today, for example, the loading of the Progress MS-16 transport vehicle has been completed.

TGK Progress MS-16 is loaded with:

- 600 kg of refueling fuel,
- 420 liters of drinking water from the Rodnik system
- 40,5 kg of compressed gases with additional nitrogen reserves,
- about 1 kg of various equipment and materials, including the resource equipment of onboard control and life support systems, a repair kit, packing for space experiments, medical control and sanitary and hygienic supplies, clothing items, standard food rations and fresh food for members crews of the active expedition.

But this is a private Russian satellite-building company Sputniks preparing to launch new Russian small spacecraft of the cubesat class from a launch container, also a domestic development of Aerospace Capital:

[Cosm22]

Great!
Those. Do Russian cosmonauts have a theoretical chance to finally get food from Russia, and not take it from the Americans? This makes me happy.
About pictures and videos.
Dear comrade, I can post them by orders of magnitude more, highlighting the successes in the space field. Unfortunately, not Russian.
But I deliberately don't do it. You should not litter the branch with unnecessary garbage, which anyone can find on the Web if they wish.
It is much more worthy not to spread public facts and circulated news, but to share your thoughts and conclusions in the comments.
If there are any, of course.

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

Those. Do Russian cosmonauts have a theoretical chance to finally get food from Russia, and not take it from the Americans? This makes me happy.

It doesn't matter who takes food to the ISS - the Americans take it from ours, ours from the Americans. The station has a general crew.

Quote: Cosm22

Dear comrade, I can post them by orders of magnitude more, highlighting the successes in the space field. Unfortunately, not Russian.

Post who's stopping you.

Quote: Cosm22

But I deliberately don't do it. You should not litter the branch with unnecessary garbage, which anyone can find on the Web if they wish.

Don't fast, nobody needs your trash

Quote: Cosm22

It is much more worthy not to spread public facts and circulated news, but to share your thoughts and conclusions in the comments.
If there are any, of course.

Well then, continue to carry your blizzard.

[Cosm22]

Here you go...
The arguments end and a stream of habitual rudeness begins.
Not surprised, because history repeats itself.
But I can give free advice: sometimes it is more useful to remain silent. Why give people a reason to ridicule?

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

Here you go...
The arguments end and a stream of habitual rudeness begins.

The arguments are given above. As ordered, everything is today.

Quote: Cosm22

Not surprised, because history repeats itself.

Probably, because from you one verbiage about everything that is domestic and sycophancy about everything foreign. And nothing in essence.

[Leon68]

Quote: slipped

Probably, because from you one verbiage about everything that is domestic and sycophancy about everything foreign. And nothing in essence.

"Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye" - it says right to the point! I support you!

[maratkoRuEkb]

"That is, the Russian cosmonauts have a theoretical chance to finally get food from Russia, and not take it from the Americans? It pleases." - what is this comment?
Sounds like the Americans are feeding our astronauts? Cho for nonsense?
We have separate nutritional institutes that develop and manufacture food for astronauts. Don't be bullshit here. Smells of stupidity.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: maratkoRuEkb

"That is, the Russian cosmonauts have a theoretical chance to finally get food from Russia, and not take it from the Americans? It pleases." - what is this comment?

Here is this joke: https://www.mk.ru/politics/2021/01/19/ssha-nachali-kormit-ostavshikhsya-bez-edy-rossiyskikh-kosmonavtov.html

[maratkoRuEkb]

in the same news it is written:
Earlier, the head of the nutrition department of the Institute of Biomedical Problems of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Alexander Agureev, told RIA Novosti that the Russian side asked the United States to deliver food for the Russian cosmonauts on board. However, the Americans responded by offering to share their food, since they still have a lot of supplies on the ISS.

and the headline is what "The United States began to feed the Russian cosmonauts who were left without food"

I wonder what the headlines were when NASA's toilet broke and they went to ours?

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: maratkoRuEkb

I wonder what the headlines were when NASA's toilet broke and they went to ours?

"Russian toilets on the ISS slandered": https://www.mk.ru/science/2019/11/27/rossiyskie-tualety-na-mks-oklevetali.html

[Cosm22]

Colleague, let Roscosmos have a headache about payback. Especially in the case of the "Angara".
The mask, after using the first stages ten times, can generally carry air. Without any harm to yourself. By the way, this time (10th start) is not far off.
And the worries of the richest person in the world (sometimes losing this status for a while) are slightly different today.
It's not about haste.
And in the monstrous speed of turnover of steps, in the highest culture of production, in the use of the latest technologies.

[Vadim237]

Especially in the case of the "Angara". And what about the Angara, it seems like it is being modernized to significantly reduce the cost of launches, but it is created primarily for military and internal needs when the Proton is shut down.

[Cosm22]

How can you reduce the cost of a product that is not in mass production?
What, the weight of the device will decrease? Not a single gram. Only the amount of material used for production can decrease. But this requires a stream. For development of technologies, conductors, devices and other things. And in Omsk, even four products a year, given the current state of affairs, will not last. What to talk about?
The hangara can only rise in price if, at last, the hydrogen plant is adapted to the third stage. Again, if, of course, they do it in the end.

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

And in Omsk, even four products a year in the current state of affairs will not last. What to talk about?

What's wrong in Omsk then? I'm aware that now there are tanks for the seventh heavy rocket and the foundations for the installation of new machines for mass production. Do you have any other information?

[Cosm22]

First, not "you", but "you".
I don’t remember herding pigs in my early childhood, or drinking broodershaft when I was older.
Secondly, not all data is contained in your favorite Vika. And as long as space, as you can understand, is your strong point, then you should at least occasionally be interested in events related to it.
In particular, it is necessary to listen to Mr. Rogozin less. Did he talk about 8 missiles a year? That's not what he said yet.
And you need to listen to a knowledgeable person. For example, the head of the Khrunichev Center Alexei Varochko. Appreciate what he says. For example, in December last year (2 months ago) on the air of the "Military Acceptance" program on the "Zvezda" TV channel.
And the head of the TsiH said literally the following:
"At the Omsk site, all production is focused today so that in 2020-2022 we will constantly increase the production of cars. Now the capabilities of the Omsk site are the maximum production of two cars per year. Starting from 2021-2022, we will switch already for 3-4 cars a year and after the completion of the investment project, this is the end of 2023, this is 4-6 cars. "
On my own I will add: this is only on condition that the modernization of production sites is completed.

[slipped]

Quote: Cosm22

First, not "you", but "you".
I don’t remember herding pigs in my early childhood, or drinking broodershaft when I was older.

Seriously? Okay. Forgetfulness is probably.

I then thought that the expression "dear comrade" you decided to go to you, well, you do not matter to me. It's like w / w.

Quote: Cosm22

Secondly, not all data is contained in your favorite Vika. And as long as space, as you can understand, is your strong point, then you should at least occasionally be interested in events related to it.

Well, yes, "I know something, but I won't tell you." Clear. Do you have any complaints about the tanks of the seventh product? Well, here's a shot of tanks from the sixth product, missile # 71756, flashed in a recent video:

Quote: Cosm22

In particular, it is necessary to listen to Mr. Rogozin less. Did he talk about 8 missiles a year? That's not what he said yet.

Not. Rogozin announced what was already planned for the serial release.

Quote: Cosm22

end of 2023, that's 4-6 cars. "

That's right, the series is planned for 2024. Two years later, the flight design tests of the missiles will just end. Eight launches including two that have already passed. Varochko, by the way, is Rogozin's subordinate.

Quote: Cosm22

On my own I will add: this is only on condition that the modernization of production sites is completed.

So she is now in full swing this modernization. New machines have already been ordered for expansion.

So what about the "current state of affairs"?

[Cowbra]

These are the ones that the Pentagon handed out at a press conference last spring as next generation spy satellites?
And yes, how is it there. in Starlink? Satellite Internet is widespread all over the planet, or are they again fooling around, like with Hyperloop, Solar City, or Cybertrakh? It seems that those who did not use this jeep a year ago had to ride, frightening the Banderlog with "bright faces"

[military_cat]

People trying to sneer at SpaceX look like Harold from the meme:

[slipped]

Most likely, the photo shows a reaction to yesterday's next explosion of a silo tower.

[military_cat]

Well, it's true, by the way. Yesterday I probably somehow looked like this, watching the test.

[U-58]

Everything is correct. Bring the technique to mind, and then use it.
The technique is not simple, but very difficult and requires refinement.

[slipped]

Quote: U-58

Everything is correct. Bring the technique to mind, and then use it.

Cool. When Russia brings its technology to mind - this is "FSE is the end of Russian cosmonautics"

And when Boeing does the same, then:

Quote: U-58

"The technique is not simple, but very difficult and requires refinement.

Oh, yes - THIS IS ANOTHER

[U-58]

For those who are especially sarcastic: I have been engaged in the manufacture and development of that very space technology for the 39th year, and I know what I am writing about.
Well, since you are a sofa dilettante, I will add that these processes are devoid of all kinds of romance.
On the contrary, all this is tedious, routine, difficult, and at times extremely stressful.

[orionvitt]

Quote: U-58

For the 39th year I have been engaged in the manufacture and development of that very space technology and I know what I am writing about

No strength, rzhunimagu. All your "specialization" comes down to amateurish arguments about the greatness of American astronautics, supported by propaganda "materials" of dubious content pulled from the network, but with beautiful pictures. Everything in one direction, as you say, according to the training manual. The information content is zero. Reading you is like listening to CNN (watching).

[slipped]

Quote: U-58

For those who are especially sarcastic: I have been engaged in the manufacture and development of that very space technology for the 39th year, and I know what I am writing about.

At Yuzhmash? If so, then my condolences.

[askort154]

As it turned out, the reason for this was "a lot of problems" with the ship's software.

And the World is being prepared for the transition to artificial intelligence!

[dgonni]

Why aren't Windows software installed on strategic missiles? Because after the start, she will return to her love for confirmation;)

[slipped]

Quote: dgonni

Why aren't Windows software installed on strategic missiles?

Because after the command to cocking the key to the start, the rocket that has already taken off will also require activation in flight?

[alien308]

Were they allowed to fly without a successful automatic flight? If that who will answer? Boeing has a lot of experience. But some negative and recent.

[Blackmokona]

Not. An unmanned flight is still expected, it was even slightly moved to an early date.
This means that the transfer was made to increase the analysis time of the drone.

[paco.soto]

Russian cosmonauts at the International Space Station ran out of food. The problem arose due to the postponement of the launch of the Progress cargo vehicle, RIA Novosti reports. The spacecraft was supposed to leave for the ISS on December 11, but due to additional checks, the launch was postponed to February 15
https://www.bfm.ru/news/463043?utm_source=amp&utm_campaign=year2021&utm_medium=inner
My first thought: it's a pity that the flight of the American ship was postponed. There must be food in the load.

[Blackmokona]

This is not a cargo ship postponed, cargo ships fly on schedule

[FrankyStein]

How many launches were there? One? From the article comes out the first was without people, the second is planned with the experimental. Is it okay to send the second one with people?

[paco.soto]

Blackmokona
Today, 16: 18

+1
This is not a cargo ship postponed, cargo ships fly on schedule
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Thank you for the dialogue. So ya misunderstood this RIA Novosti message:
"The Russian cosmonauts on the International Space Station ran out of food. The problem arose due to the postponement of the launch of the Progress cargo spacecraft, RIA Novosti reports. The spacecraft was supposed to leave for the ISS on December 11, but due to additional checks, the launch was postponed until February 15." ®