Armaments expert at Brussels University: Azerbaijan showed what the war of the future will be

The Western press released material stating that the fall of 2020 showed the whole world what the war of the future could be. The author of this material is expert Maaike Verbruggen, who published it on The Bulletin page.

According to Ferbruggen, who is an employee of the University of Brussels in the department of new technologies, military innovations and arms control issues, an example of which way a military conflict in a particular territory can go in the near future is the war in Nagorno-Karabakh.

Maaike Verbruggen, a member of the military innovation research group, notes that Azerbaijan has attempted to use something similar to a swarm attack. drones: several strike reconnaissance drones, some of which delivered strikes against enemy ground forces. According to the Belgian researcher, this option of conducting combat operations with an attack by a swarm of drones cannot be fully considered, but:

... Azerbaijan showed the beginnings of the use of a swarm of drones in war and what the war of the future will be like.

Maaike Verbruggen notes that full use of a swarm of drones with high efficiency is possible if the swarm is controlled by artificial intelligence.

From the expert of the University of Brussels on weapons:

Even though no one has created true autonomous drone swarms yet, we still have to worry about their humanitarian consequences. Just as the military prepares for future wars by developing technologies to counter such a swarm, the arms control community should consider where to draw the boundaries of their use.

The expert notes that today hundreds and even thousands of drones can participate in various shows in concert, controlled by a computer program. Maaike Verbruggen writes that it is difficult to imagine the consequences if thousands of drones are simultaneously used in combat.

Comments

[Ka-52]

an example of which way a military conflict in a particular territory can go in the near future is the war in Nagorno-Karabakh.

taking into account the fact that the sides abandoned controlled aircraft, a professional army fought on one side, and a motley militia on the other, that at the end of the war there was a direct betrayal on the part of the Armenian government - well, then this is very strange Future War

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Ka-52

taking into account the fact that the parties abandoned guided aviation, a professional army fought on one side, and a motley militia on the other,

False claims. Both sides used aircraft. Both sides had a professional army. Considering the theater of operations and the size of the front, they had a quantitative parity in manpower and equipment.
The Armenians had echeloned air defense, due to the small theater of operations, it was extremely dense. There were various ZU / ZSU, Shilki, MANPADS, Osa, Strela-10, TORs, Buki, S-300, various radars, electronic warfare systems. Moreover, the Torah and electronic warfare systems of the latest modifications, the S-300 are modernized. The drills to combat UAVs together with Russia were held 2 months before the war.
Azerbaijan won tactically and technically.

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

There were various ZU / ZSU, Shilki, MANPADS, Wasps, Strela-10, TORs, Buki, S-300,

How many S-300s did Armenia or Karabakh have TORs and Buks? If Karabakh has it, how much?

[OgnennyiKotik]

S-300s are not measured in pieces, but in divisions and regiments. 5 divisions of S-300 PT-1 / PS (according to other sources - S-300PS), 12 systems each. They belong to the army of the Republic of Armenia.

Armenia lost four of the six Russian-made Tor-M2KM anti-aircraft missile systems (the most modern models) deployed in Karabakh in the first 15 days of the war, and half of the entire NKR air defense was destroyed in 15 minutes on September 27.

This was stated by the former secretary of the Security Council of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic Samvel Babayan.
According to him, after the destruction of the "Thors", four more complexes were sent to the combat zone.

Of the six Buk air defense systems, only one was in working order. In the first minutes of the war, units of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces destroyed 10 Osa air defense systems and one S-300 air defense system.

Quote:
"There was no weapon. The air defense was at zero. There were 6 TORs, of which 4 were destroyed in the first 15 days. Then they sent 4 more, which can provide a maximum of 45 km. Of the 6 BUK-5 units were inoperative, a repair team was waiting from Moscow to to be used by the 10th. "

On a sweet list confirmed (photo / video) losses of the NKR and Armenian armies.

11) MANPADS - 3 units. Igla-S captured as trophies
ZSU-23-4 Shilka - 7 units.

12) Anti-aircraft missile systems - 29 units. :
3 units - 9K35 "Strela-10"
15 units - "Wasp" ("Wasp-AKM")
3 units - 2K12 "Cube"
5 units PU S-300PS
1 unit - a machine from the S-300 complex
1 unit - Tor-M2KM
1 unit - 2K12 Circle

13) radar - 15 units. :
2 units - P-18 / M
4 units - 36D6 (for S-300)
1 unit - SNR-125 (for S-125)
2 units - 5N63S (for S-300)
1 unit - 19Ж6 (for S-300)
1 unit - 1S32 (for 2K11 "Circle")
2 unit - 1S91 (for 2K12 "Cube")
1 unit - R-15
1 unit - R-19

14) Electronic warfare / REP machines - 2 units. :
1 unit - R-330P "Pyramid-1"
1 unit - Repellent-1

15) Aviation - 1 unit. - Su-25K
1 unit - Mi-8

16) UAV - 4 units.

18) False targets - 2 units. (Wasps)

You can see the photos and screenshots here: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

S-300s are not measured in pieces, but in divisions and regiments.

No difference.

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

They belong to the army of the Republic of Armenia.

Clear.

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

A sweet list of confirmed (photo / video) losses of the NKR and Armenian armies.

Shilka, Needles, Arrows and Wasps are useless against the same Bayraktars - they can simply stay above the limit of defeat (there are doubts about the Wasps' performance in general). With Tor-2 it is more difficult, but also possible. So the air defense of Karabakh was at best very outdated.

[Anar]

Armenia had all this. By legal right, Karabakh has no right to have weapons, and not one country in the world has sold them weapons directly. All that was in Karabakh from the Armenian side was the arming of Armenia.

[Alien From]

He won! And not easy!

[Ka-52]

False claims.

there is no need to reprint summaries from the Azerbaijani Ministry of Defense here. Tell which infantry and tank units of the Armenian Ministry of Defense were involved in the battles in Karabakh? What regiments, divisions? Or blabby again?

The Armenians had a layered air defense

ZU / ZSU, Shilki, MANPADS, Wasps, Strela-10,

About Shilki and Wasps, I'm just funny. You're better at bowing to American weapons

[newcomer]

Well, yes, the "war of the future": to make the head of the state a hanger-on and a traitor, who initially leaked the war, at the cost of the lives of several thousand people.

[ccsr]

Quote: Ka-52

well then this is a very strange war of the future

For them in Belgium this is in the order of things, but for us another illiterate analysis, if only because the armies of these countries are simply ridiculous in terms of numbers and weapons. How can we seriously develop military science in our country if such wars are taken as a basis? Yes, the DPRK alone with its military potential can destroy all the Caucasian republics in a hypothetical war, and we are told tales about drones, as if they would decide something with a serious air defense system. In general, the article does not deserve serious attention, and the Ka-52 correctly summarized

well then this is a very strange war of the future

[fruc]

..... Maaike Verbruggen notes that Azerbaijan has attempted to use something similar to an attack using a swarm of drones ........
For some reason, the use of a swarm of hypersonic missiles from yabs at command posts, headquarters and industrial infrastructure facilities has not been noted, this will be a response to a swarm of drones.

[Rufat]

If as a result of "betrayal" Arienia lost 70% of her equipment and more than 3000 killed, then imagine if there were no so-called betrayal

[bad]

Azerbaijan showed what the war of the future will be

Hollywood showed this long ago. Azerbaijan was one of the first to apply.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Everything goes to the fact that drones will take over the battlefield of the near future. They are already being tested in battle. So far, it is limited and partially, but progress is accelerating, the price of drones is falling, opportunities are increasing.

[saigon]

Everything goes to the fact that the next edition of Douai's theory in the edition for the poor will be quietly blown away,
In the event of a war of approximately equal opponents, the role of fairy tales will decrease and an everyday war will begin, in which, as always, chance plays a huge role.

[APASUS]

Azerbaijan showed nothing! He simply repeated the tactics of the Americans, beating the baby. In fact, the Armenians are not an army, but just a collective farm. With a normal enemy and means of electronic warfare, air defense, the massive use of UAVs is not such a simple matter!

[voyaka uh]

The Armenian army had everything: electronic warfare and air defense.
The drones have destroyed everything - both old systems and the newest.
What was clearly confirmed from video cameras on the Kamikadse drones themselves
and observer drones.

The most that shot down the ground air defense: one Su-25 and several unmanned An-2.

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Armenian army had everything: electronic warfare and air defense.
The drones have destroyed everything - both old systems and the newest.
What was clearly confirmed from video cameras on the Kamikadse drones themselves
and observer drones.

The collective farm walks in droves and comes under fire, there were no camouflage nets, that's what was visible.
It's just like a story about the Carapace of Syria, they piled a bunch of them there, and then it turns out that they were shot standing without a crew!

[Rufat]

I have already heard about these camouflage nets many times. What nonsense. From drone cameras, you can clearly see what is hidden under this disguise. Our "experts" live in the last century

[APASUS]

Quote: Rufat

I have already heard about these camouflage nets many times. What nonsense. From drone cameras, you can clearly see what is hidden under this disguise. Our "experts" live in the last century

It has been a long time since weaving nets from bows, you yourself are in what century you live. This is now a whole industry

You will see a lot from the UAV

[The eye of the crying]

Show how it looks in the infrared range.

[Anar]

In fact, these nets are almost useless, they are needed only for long-term parking, after the engine has completely cooled down and they hide the old MI-8 from the pilots. UAVs have many cameras that shoot in different ranges.
And most importantly, nafig need this technique if it hides like a mouse from a cat. Yes, the network can hide a little during downtime, but you still need to buy it, bring it and carry it with you. And while moving or at a combat post, all the same, these nets are removed and everything will immediately become visible.

[Rufat]

Wheel track

[askort154]

There is one option - to hit the pike, from where the swarm is going to fly out.

[Dodikson]

and where it is controlled from.

[Anar]

It can be controlled for many hundreds of kilometers. In the area of ​​application, just stand 1 device disguised as whatever you want, which receives signals for many hundreds of kilometers or simply from a satellite and directly transmits them to individual elements of the swarm.

[Dodikson]

he first of all transmits the signal, and only then receives it.
and this radiation is perfectly direction finding and hundreds of kilometers are perfectly overcome by OTR or BR.

[Anar]

It receives signals from the main control panel, which is located many hundreds or thousands of kilometers, and then locally transmits them to the machines themselves.
First reception then transmission. Repeater function.

[Dodikson]

both retranslators and control center are covered.
BR can beat 10 thousand km.

[Anar]

100% nothing happens .... And the signal suppression stations themselves are very vulnerable. Have you ever wondered why they are so little used? Yes, against a bunch of terrorists who send homemade UAVs, they are good at it.
But there is no army norms, since this equipment itself gives out its location in the very first seconds. For example, if you noticed in the war in Karabakh, it was used from the territory of Armenia from a military base. Because the one who used it knew that if it entered Karabakh, it would be destroyed in 5 minutes. And on the territory of Armenia, they were under the CSTO's iron curtain.
And by the way, the disadvantage of these systems is that they jam both their own signals and the signals of the enemy .... That is, they jam everything. At the moment, Azerbaijan, in parallel with reconnaissance drones, also used 2 of its artificial satellites to spy on the enemy.

[Dodikson]

I did not write about this, but about the fact that the control center is firing and covering the BR. by the way, electronic warfare can work only in a specific frequency, without interfering with others, and can work directionally.

[prior]

"Azerbaijan showed what the war of the future will be"

Azerbaijan has shown what a modern regional conflict can be.
War is different. The war of the future is when the enemy has a radioactive desert behind his back instead of his homeland ...

[Mouse]

... Azerbaijan showed the beginnings of the use of a swarm of drones in war and what the war of the future will be like.

used as a proving ground ... looked ... appreciated ...

[rotmistr60]

Azerbaijan showed what the war of the future will be

Let's be objective. Turkey and Azerbaijan have shown what can be with those who open their mouths listening to Western mentors and hopes that if something happens they will help him. And therefore, you should not strengthen your army, spend money on new types of weapons, and place the same ones with open mouths in leading positions and revel in past victories.

[Dimon71]

Well, as far as I know, the Armenian army has no tori !!! Echeloned defense only in Armenia. The Artsakh Air Defense Army had one article. And thanks to the Jews, apparently their space reconnaissance gave the Azerbaijani side all the coordinates of the Karabakh air defense. And what kind of war of the future is this? How many Bayraktars have landed in Syria! And why fight off, say, a swarm if Russia has the ability to destroy all airfields and command posts!

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Dimon71

Army of Armenia There are no tori !!!

Yes, Tor-M2KM, received in December 2019. There is simply nowhere more modern. They fought in Karabakh, at least 10 pieces.

Well, Pashinyan has a disgusting face, to be honest. He asks me for a brick, of course, but still.

[Dimon71]

IF AND THERE WERE THAT INSIDE THEM SO BADLY USED THE WINE FULLY ON THE CREW AND OFFICERS TRAINING HIM !!!

[Rufat]

And how many airfields and drone command posts have been destroyed in Syria?

[Dimon71]

And that the bayraktars in Syria took off from the territory of Syria?

[Rufat]

Here I am about it ...

[saigon]

In the event of a serious war, no matter how cannibal it sounds, it is necessary to strike at large cities, critical infrastructure facilities for the enemy, causing irreparable damage.

[rocket757]

Armaments expert at Brussels University: Azerbaijan showed what the war of the future will be

Come on, the expert outplayed the shooting games!
Then what kind of future, WHEN?

[Cowbra]

The information content of the article is near-zero ...

[evgen1221]

It took a long time to get esperd! After a week of fighting, it became clear that this is the type of war that poor countries need. But with what drink she dragged the swarm to where he was not, this is a question of the quantity and strength of the garilka apparently.

[Anar]

A swarm is an extensible concept, 10 drones in a bundle in which 1 transmits information and the second beats, and so on is also a swarm. It doesn't have to be 100 identical cars to be called a swarm.

[evgen1221]

But in your construction, you forget that the operators then sit behind the neighboring monitors and calmly voice without any special encryption can be induced.

[tralflot1832]

This is not a war, but the beating up of a baby. No one used their potential to their full potential. Armenians could not charge in Baku and industries, for specific infrastructure facilities. Azerbaijan fought only in Karabakh. If both opponents in one weight category everything will be different , with the destruction of infrastructure, the defense complex, and the population will get it so that there is no mobilization resource. Let's see how the United States fights equals a stronghold of defense under a plain, be it a city or a village.

[Emil mamedoff]

Our SU-25s made more than 600 raids on the enemy in all 44 days. And only 1 SU-25 was lost.
Considering that the flight ceiling of this aircraft is 7 km, and ours, I think, rose by a maximum of 5-6, because the aircraft are old, then losing only 1 aircraft in 600 sorties is a good indicator. There, in the mountains at altitudes of 2000+ meters above sea level, there were enemy MANPADS, + they also had TOR-M2, S-300, OSA-AKM, KUB, S-125.

These same JF-17 Block3s are being bought to replace SU-25 attack aircraft, so that you can work on the ground using your own laser bombs from a height of 10+ km.

All that concerns electronic warfare, ours recently filmed here. Follow the video link
https://m.vk.com/video-2466663_456255170?list=abc19c653a5df56bef&from=wall-2466663_1474094

[Emil mamedoff]

Regarding the drone swarm, both Kargu swarms and Rotem swarms were used.
Although often these things were used alone, sometimes it was more useful, it depends on what purpose, sometimes one copter is enough for this, it is unnecessary to spend swarms.

Have you seen this? Twisted blow. It's hard to hide from it) Trace the trajectory of the explosives.

[Mavrikiy]

...

Azerbaijan has shown the beginnings of the use of a swarm of drones in war and what the war itself will be like in the future.

What Brussels is, such are its experts. Where did he see the swarm of drones?

[zenion]

Of course, the war of the future is for countries that do not have modern weapons. But God forbid the war of the present future. There will be no one to describe it.

[Incvizitor]

With the Papuans without a normal echeloned air defense, the FSA has already "fought" in such a way back in Iraq.

[orionvitt]

Autumn 2020 showed the whole world what the war of the future can be.

Of course, if you fight an enemy who, by definition, is many times weaker in technical terms (weapons) and knowing that a traitor is in power in the enemy's camp, then yes, victory is assured. Let them, with their bought drones, rock the boat to a technologically advanced country, and I will observe this spectacle with great interest.

[Anar]

So the problem is that technologically developed countries prefer to conduct mutually beneficial business with Azerbaijan (who are friends, and who is just a business and nothing personal) and Armenia, backward in all respects, went to Azerbaijan saying that "Karabakh is Armenia" and that " a new war for new territories. " As they say, the bully ran into it himself.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Anar

technologically advanced countries prefer to do mutually beneficial business with Azerbaijan

Maybe, on the contrary, it is Azerbaijan that prefers to do business with technologically advanced powers, not jumping out too much. But by contacting Turkey, he is at great risk. Turkey has no friends, except for the abstract "Turkic belt". But enemies, all neighbors, that's for sure.

[Anar]

Quote: orionvitt

Turkey has no friends, except for the abstract "Turkic belt".

In some ways you are right about the enemies around. Turkey and Russia are very similar in this. Look at how many countries Russia borders on and with how many "enemies around" attitude.
And at the expense of friends, they are not few. They are mainly in Asia, from Qatar and Pakistan to Indonesia.

[Interlocutor]

And we showed how she was stopped

[iouris]

This war is a war against a technologically backward adversary who was not preparing for war, who agreed to play the role of a pear (I mean the president and prime minister).

[Ilya_Nsk]

And this iksperd heard the abbreviation EW? AI on board can only be carried by large drones, and these are already ordinary air defense targets (the Armenians scored a kapets at it)

[Eug]

From the Armenian side, there was no active opposition specifically to drones, which is why their use was so successful. Against a prepared opponent, this will not happen. But preparing for the fight against drones must be very serious, as well as preparing and using your drones.

[serg v stock]

An expert from Brussels itself! What's from the future? Drones have been developed and used for a long time. The expert did not notice the other - a normally armed, trained, motivated army will always win against its opposite.