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India has sent a request for a batch of carrier-based fighters MiG-29K / KUB for the aircraft carrier "Vikrant"

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India has sent a request for a batch of carrier-based fighters MiG-29K / KUB for the aircraft carrier "Vikrant"

India intends to purchase a new batch of Russian MiG-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters, a request has already been sent to the Russian side. Vladimir Drozhzhov, Deputy Head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) of Russia, spoke about this during the Aero India 2021 exhibition.


Answering a question from journalists, Drozhzhov explained that Russia had received a preliminary request from India for the supply of MiG-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters and had already sent its proposals to the Indian military. Currently, a tender is expected to be announced for the supply of carrier-based aircraft for Indian aircraft carriers, but Russia is hoping for an intergovernmental agreement.

Equipping the Vikrant aircraft carrier with the same type MiG-29K / KUB aircraft and their further combat use will significantly reduce the costs of both their operation and training of personnel operating this equipment

- added Drozhzhov.

Last year, the Indian Ministry of Defense announced plans to transfer the fleet the newest light aircraft carrier Vikrant in the spring of 2021. According to the plans, it will host up to 14 MiG-29K / KUB aircraft and several radar patrol helicopters.

Recall that earlier, under two contracts, India received 45 MiG-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters.
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  1. Linxs
    Linxs 3 February 2021 11: 18
    +12
    The Indians surrendered. And how they turned their nose up ... And how many talks were there about creating your own aircraft with the best characteristics ...
    1. figwam
      figwam 3 February 2021 11: 32
      +5
      The Americans even launched their F-18 from a springboard, but apparently India is a delicate matter.
    2. venik
      venik 3 February 2021 11: 55
      +7
      Quote: LinxS
      The Indians surrendered. And how they turned up their nose ... And how many conversations were there about the creation of your aircraft with the best characteristics...

      ========
      - My great-grandfather says: I have a desire to buy a house, but I have no opportunity.
      - I have the opportunity to buy a goat, but I have no desire.
      So let's drink to our desires have always coincided with our capabilities
      ! .....

      But the Indians desires seem to be far ahead capabilities... request
      drinks
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 3 February 2021 12: 10
        +2
        This time everything worked out as it should. bully
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 3 February 2021 12: 16
      +3
      winked So this is only preliminary courtship. The real dances will begin when the time comes to agree on the terms of delivery. Their nose will spin like a weather vane.
      1. bayard
        bayard 3 February 2021 13: 03
        +11
        With the conditions, everything is just fine and worked out - even without transactions in dollars, for rubles and rupees. In addition, these MiG-29K \ KUB can be unified according to avionics with the MiG-35, and already according to the MiG-35, the Russian side offered not only the supply of machine kits and the organization of assembly, but also a license and the organization of assembly of engines for them, which the Indians have long really wanted.
        And the F-18 without a catapult has no advantages in terms of payload, rather the opposite. But the price is 2 - 2,5 times higher.
        In addition, if it still grows together with the MiG-35 batch, then the engines already produced in India will be quite suitable for their own homemade products. So there is a temptation to resolve all issues comprehensively.
        1. ironic
          ironic 3 February 2021 14: 49
          -5
          It's not just the price of the supernets. It is a strike aircraft with a proven range of capabilities and weapons. Sophisticated and quite modern. The 29th no longer possesses such, and what the 35th will actually possess, this, taking into account the future tense verb, does not yet have.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 3 February 2021 15: 13
            0
            And why did the MiG-29KUB not please you? At least in close combat, the MiG-29 will beat the F-18.hi
            1. ironic
              ironic 3 February 2021 16: 31
              +1
              The capabilities of the processor station, the radar, the list of modern combat equipment for use ... He failed to get the F-16.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 3 February 2021 19: 47
                0
                I wonder how you know the capabilities of the processor, radar and new weapons of the MiG-29 (35)?
                But as for the F-16 versus the MiG-29, I would argue - you on the F-35 against the background of the earth and mountains will not be able to detect the enemy aircraft. Do you even imagine the operation of the radar station, did you see the flashes on the radar monitor (screen)? I see that you have no idea. Although AFAR on the F-16, but if you approach it at a low altitude or against the background of mountains - the screen is "illuminated" of the displayed rays from the ground and mountains. The MiG-29 surpasses the F-16 in terms of thrust and maneuverability. Therefore, your statements are not correct. The Indians on the MiG-21 beat the F-15, nor the F-16 and F-18.
                Your fighters strike from the territory of Lebanon and it is impossible to detect them from behind the mountains of the air defense system radar - otherwise the Syrians have already landed your aircraft long ago. hi
                1. ironic
                  ironic 3 February 2021 21: 53
                  +5
                  Where from? From open sources in your own Runet. I even imagine that earlier the mathematical developments of the Puncare-Perelman theorem were used to detect such an aircraft against the background of the earth, but later they were found to be insufficiently effective. It all depends on the place of time and the confluence of a heap of circumstances in battle, but the chances of such a detection in the F-35 are immeasurably greater. Whether it surpasses or not surpasses this theory, but in practice there is a victory of the F-16 in the battle over the MiG-29, but vice versa - not. The F-15 has never shot down a single plane in the world. Do not invent, but the 21's have more than one on the 15th.
                  Here, on the VO, there was more than one article about strikes inflicted not from Lebanese territory and even from the C-300 engagement zone, but the belief that only Lebanese air is fired is stronger than any knowledge.
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 3 February 2021 22: 43
                    0
                    All clear. I have seen the work of the radar in practice, because "sat on the tablet." You obviously did not see and do not understand what it is about. I saw the MiG-29 in operation at the test site. Radar is not a panacea for all ills. Turn it on and you will glow at a distance 3 times greater than the distance that this radar sees.
                    In practice, the Indians approached at low altitudes in training battles with the Americans, the British, etc., and engaged in close combat, where maneuverability is important - this suggests that if you are at a height, and the enemy is at low altitudes, then at On the radar monitor, you will not see the enemy approaching due to continuous illumination. Also against the background of the sea, especially if it is stormy, and against the background of mountains. And chasing single MiG-29 sorties in a crowd, and even with the support of AWACS ... is not an indicator. In a similar situation, you can use the F-4
                    One-on-one, with the same qualifications of pilots, the MiG-29 (even the old one) will tear all American aircraft in close combat. Type in YouTube "John Farley about the MiG-29 (Su-27)" (by the way, an English test pilot, worked with an American) and pay attention to how he talks about the time of the full turn (360 *) of the fighter and that it means. For the F-35, this is more than 20 seconds (in my opinion, Voyaka wrote in 23 seconds) and the MiG-29 in 10 seconds .. Here is your proof that the MiG-29 surpasses all American vehicles in close combat. hi
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 3 February 2021 23: 02
                      0
                      The only problem is that all the radars on the US fighters detect the aircraft against the background of the earth without any problems. And this does not happen with the pilot's eyes, the radar itself detects, selects the target, the information and control system selects the best option for destruction and the pilot only has to allow the launch of missiles.
                      Our radars are hopelessly outdated and long ago. Consider not on the MiG-29 radar. Therefore, he is shot down by all and sundry, he has the worst indicator in air battles. This is the most shot down fighter of the 4th generation, according to this indicator, no one is even close, it is so bad.
                      1. Kasym
                        Kasym 3 February 2021 23: 31
                        0
                        Sorry, but I see that you are another theorist. I am writing no offense.
                        The principle of operation of the radar is the same. The emitter on the radar transmits radio waves, and the antenna picks up the image of these waves. And how do you recognize that this is a display from an airplane or ground, please justify? What you write is either a close distance, or other means of recognition (heat radiation, or OLS).
                        Here's a good example. The distance from the airfield and the range is over 100 km .. After one emergency, we were ordered to take the turntables for radar tracking. It quickly turned out that it was necessary to raise them to a height of at least ... 500 meters above the ground !!! And this is the P-18 ground station. With an antenna that is superior to all airborne radars.
                        Ask yourself why in Syria no radar fighters turn on? Everyone wants to get the best radars, and when it came to dealing with a "good enemy" they turned this option off.
                        In my opinion, the MiG-29 was ahead of its time. I wrote about John Farley for a reason - show me which fighter can make a turn faster? Which aircraft of our time has the best maneuverability, please show me?
                        I have already answered your objections. A crowd of single cars is not an indicator. If at least a link of the MiG-29 appears above the ground battlefield (and this is its main purpose), then the enemy will not seem a little. hi
                      2. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 3 February 2021 23: 48
                        +1
                        The question is not in physics, it is one for all. The question is to the information system, whether it will be able to identify goals based on the data received or not. With the fact that defining a goal against the background of the earth is an extremely difficult task, I completely agree, a person is simply not able to do this, a machine must do it for him. It happens with them, we partially.
                        Mig 29 is a mistake of the Soviet leadership. Initially, he was supposed to operate in the coverage area of ​​his guidance stations and his flight director, that is, in his information space. Therefore, the avionics on it are in their infancy. He is not capable of fighting on his own.
                        In the war between Ethiopia and Eritrea, Ethiopian Su-27s shot down, according to various sources, from one to four Eritrean MiG-29s. There was no question of any numerical superiority, let alone AWACS. In the column of fighters of the 29th generation shot down by the 4th Mig there is a proud zero. He was shot down 12-17 times.
                    2. yfast
                      yfast 4 February 2021 20: 10
                      0
                      In fact, stealth with the radar on is still a fable. If both will fly with the radar off, then who will notice whom is unknown.
                  2. ironic
                    ironic 3 February 2021 23: 12
                    +2
                    I am a programmer, I see how algorithms work. Besides, I know that the F-35 does not glow the way you describe it. What happens on the screen of the F-35 radar, you do not know exactly. Solid illumination suggests that the system for obtaining data from the radar is not effective in filtering the signal against the background of the corresponding primordial ones, which does not say much good about that in the 29th.
                    What happened in the training battles between the Indians and the Americans I read a lot on VO about how poor Americans are not able to carry their pants away, but when it comes to shot down and by whom, even the picture is not at all like that. The turn time of the F-35 about which the warrior could write was even with the 7G limitation, now it has been removed, at least for the F-35A and at speeds of 0.9-1.2M it is one of the fastest aircraft in the air and, as acceleration in this range , and he performs braking almost better than the Raptor and reaching 1.2M he also does not need an afterburner.
                    Nothing can be said about Migah, or about Su, or about other Fs, except for the Raptor. Front-line combat with him at these speeds has been pre-matched by almost any generation 4 aircraft, and it is in this range that he will impose a battle.
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym 4 February 2021 00: 19
                      0
                      Aircraft are not only equipped with radars. But all other systems work at short distances - for example, the F-22 criticizes that there is no OLS. Explain how the display of a radio wave differs from the ground, sea wave or mountain range and aircraft? What does the radar station print to you?
                      I advised you to look at the opinion of a test pilot who says that the turnaround time of "a promising fighter that is planned to be put into service is at least 20 seconds." What can you say about this
                      Here is your task. On the ground, there is an intense battle with the use of BTT, MLRS, arts, etc. We need air support with direct participation over the battlefield using NURS, AB and AP. Which plane should you choose? Super-maneuverable MiG-29 or American F-16, 18, 35? And no need to talk about long distances - the entire EU did not have enough of these high-precision ammunition against Libya!
                      That is why initially no radar was installed on the MiG-29, but only an OLS - it was believed that only means for close combat were needed. The rest is up to the weights in the form of the Su-27 and MiG-31. Now show where these MiG-29 and Su-27 planes interacted together in one conflict? NATO has pulled everything that is possible to Iraq and Yugoslavia. And what can a lone MiG-29 (single flights were noted in Yugoslavia - this contradicts all theories about its use) against such a pack? hi
                      And I am a mathematician who compiles these very algorithms. And what algorithm can you tell me in order to distinguish the display from, for example, land and aircraft? At close range, where you can distinguish the difference, for example, 50 m. - this is still possible, but at the distant lines? Note that planes fly over the decks of the "potential enemy" ships always at low altitude. wink
                    2. ironic
                      ironic 4 February 2021 19: 11
                      0
                      They criticize without understanding the reasons for refusing it. Why do you think it would be good on the F-22?

                      Reflections differ in spectra, because different wavelengths will be reflected in different ways, refracted and absorbed by different media with different curvature of surfaces and, above all, will be excluded by behavior at the boundary of the respective media. The radar sends packets of signals and receives packets of signals, and the subprocessor system working with it processes the signals and identifies useful ones against the background of prorazitnyh and this analysis, if my memory serves me, is called DSP. As a result, it is possible to obtain, with the corresponding processor power of the system, not only cards, but also changes in real time. Accordingly, if the system is balanced and the power versus the processor capabilities is correctly selected, then the definition of patrnas will be possible with the appropriate visualization.

                      Once again, the Pilot flew in a car with a limiter, he expressed his opinion about it, besides, he did not say at what speed and at what altitude.

                      For MLRS and 6 "art behind the front line, I will choose the F-35A with GBU and explosive missiles in the minimum set, if I have to engage in battle above the front line, for armored vehicles and mortars and arty of smaller calibers, aircraft with ATGM, if I need to support stronger, I will pull Apaches with supersonic Helfires, if there is a big danger from short-range air defense, instead of Helfires from a distance with the same helicopters, but Spike NLOS. The strike will be slower, but safer for helicopters. for the time being, I will pull up the F-15A group to the front line in the weapon configuration to the maximum air combat and try to either impose a surprise battle on the retreating group of enemy aircraft that has already come under fire at speeds of 35-15M, or attack aircraft that I will try attack ground forces on my side, if I find any sooner. ”Nurs and unguided bombs will not be used at all.

                      Do you really think that not single MiG-29s would have scattered everyone there? I'm afraid this is worse than an illusion, which incidentally cost the Syrians the defeat of their aircraft in past wars. They, too, were sure that their Migi were flying around everyone.

                      I am not a mathematician or a physicist, but from general education within the framework of erudition, as well as being a little familiar with the principles of filtering signals in a wire connection, in general terms I was able to understand that in the search for such goals they use the selection of parameters of a CNS with a chirp, mathematically trying subtract the spectral model of the noise background using complex formulas, and at the last stage, mathematical methods are applied to eliminate measurement ambiguities.

                      PS Do you want to say that at low altitude, except for the visual aiming system, aircraft flying over the water have nothing to take?
                    3. nks
                      nks 5 February 2021 12: 14
                      0
                      Quote: Kasym
                      That is why initially no radar was installed on the MiG-29, but only an OLS - it was believed that only means for close combat were needed.

                      Sorry, but where did you get such heresy?

                      Quote: Kasym
                      And I am a mathematician who compiles these very algorithms. And what algorithm can you tell me in order to distinguish the display from, for example, land and aircraft? At close range, where you can distinguish the difference, for example, in 50 m - this is still possible, but at the distant lines?

                      Having a degree in applied mathematics does not mean you are a mathematician. Algorithms a wagon and a small cart - you can at least ask Google and Yandex how their picture recognition works. The distinguishability of the "difference" depends on the optics and the resolution of the matrix. And (surprise!) The jet plane is just noticeably brighter in the IR range, and this could be used even on ancient OLS, which were in fact heat direction finders. And modern OLS work well up to 100 km, which is already a medium-long distance
                    4. Kasym
                      Kasym April 2 2021 09: 01
                      0
                      20 years of experience in KazGu, KFMN in the field of differential education. with a small parameter.
                      According to the EPR, the radar determines the type of aircraft - therefore, reflectors are installed on all 5th generation stealth so that the enemy cannot determine the EPR parameters. hi
                    5. nks
                      nks April 2 2021 16: 45
                      0
                      Quote: Kasym
                      20 years of experience in KazGu, KFMN

                      Well, sad, of course, although not news ...
  2. bayard
    bayard 3 February 2021 15: 15
    +7
    I am not belittling the merits of the Hornets, but apart from a well-oiled glider with good avionics and a complex of weapons (and besides the price), one should also look at the unification of the Indian fleet. And to buy a dozen and a half aircraft, and then have a headache with repair, maintenance and logistics ...
    But the MiG-29 in India is in service both in the Air Force and as the basis of carrier-based aircraft, therefore, it would probably be more important to maintain the uniformity of the carrier-based aircraft fleet. Here is the training of pilots, technicians, the possibility of transferring from ship to ship and from carrier-based aircraft to land (including technicians) ... Moreover, this batch can be obtained already in a modernized form - with the MiG-35 avionics. And the already existing MiG-29K can be upgraded to their level, if the customer can withstand everything.
    For 15 pcs. to start a new type of fighter ... especially in carrier-based aviation ... is not very correct.
    1. ironic
      ironic 3 February 2021 16: 56
      -1
      They already have Olivier salad both in the Air Force and in other branches of the armed forces ... They do not have so many naval aviation, the Superfat has perfectly established itself as a deck-liner. The MiG-35 has yet to prove itself, especially as a 4 ++ aircraft, with AFAR and new avionics, and so far this has not happened. As there is still no avionics of the new MiG-35, which can be upgraded to the 29th.
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 4 February 2021 01: 47
      +1
      Quote: bayard
      this batch can be obtained already in a modernized form - with the MiG-35 avionics. And the existing MiG-29K can be upgraded to their level, if the customer can resist.

      If for a bale (well, a container) of tea, then yes. And for real money - they will bargain for a long time, and as a result, it will turn out that Russia still owes them.
      1. bayard
        bayard 4 February 2021 03: 05
        +1
        Everything has been worked out there for a long time - for RUBLES and rupees, and they earn a lot of rubles in our market. There are solutions for dual-currency swaps, so there will be no transactions in dollars.
        The money will be live. And they have them.
        The most important thing here is that an air show is taking place in India right now, and there they have already announced their readiness to assemble the MiG-35 at Indian enterprises. The Indians operate a large fleet of MiG-29, MiG-29K \ KUB, have already ordered MiG-29 to replenish the existing fleet, most likely they will choose MiG-29K for their new aircraft carrier, besides, the Russian side has long announced its readiness to sell a license for the production of engines to the MiG-29, which no one else is ready to provide.
        But this engine is quite suitable for the Indian Tajes fighter itself.
        The unification of the fleet of light and carrier-based fighters is a long overdue issue.
        And the most profitable in terms of money and access to technology.
        And the issues with bags / containers of tea were resolved long ago - an agreement on parity, balance in trade and on counter deliveries. The Russian market has long been open to Indian exports, which is why India is the largest buyer of our weapons.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 3 February 2021 11: 23
    +6
    What are the options? They do not have time to make their own plane, and it is inadequately expensive to adapt the next rafal for a batch of 15 cars.
    1. nks
      nks 3 February 2021 19: 26
      +1
      Why adapt Rafale? It is available on deck. And the actual Multi-Role Carrier Borne Fighters (MRCBF) tender has not yet been canceled.
  • Magic archer
    Magic archer 3 February 2021 11: 24
    +5
    But what about Tejas))) ?! Didn't the Indians say that Migi would replace them)) ?! Ay yay yay, again something went wrong ... Apparently, it still needs 10 years to refine laughing
    1. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 3 February 2021 11: 40
      +5
      There, Tejas needs a twin-engine. )
      1. bayard
        bayard 3 February 2021 15: 04
        +1
        Quote: d4rkmesa
        There, Tejas needs a twin-engine. )

        Another option is the same "Tejas", but with the AL-31F ... though the whole glider will have to be counted ... but then the thrust will definitely be enough.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 3 February 2021 11: 55
      +15
      Quote: Magic Archer
      But what about Tejas)))?

      There is only MIG, and hold on to it!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 3 February 2021 11: 40
    +5
    Oh, oh, we'll see ... there, from intentions to real deeds, there will be dances, dances, there will certainly be!
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 February 2021 11: 47
    +5
    India sent a request for a batch of carrier-based fighters MiG-29K / KUB
    They can when they want (or are running out) and do without American "recommendations".
  • zwlad
    zwlad 3 February 2021 12: 00
    +4
    Good news!
    Work for the aviation industry, salaries for people.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 3 February 2021 12: 42
    +1
    Rational decision.
  • Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 3 February 2021 13: 10
    +1
    Jimmy-jimmy, acha-acha in my repertoire))

    But they could have riveted their planes under the FGFA program, and now that's it))
  • yehat2
    yehat2 4 February 2021 09: 25
    +1
    somehow strange all this - they immediately agree to both the mig-29 and the joint production of the mig-35 and il-112
    especially in light of what was at the tenders before and criticism of the mig-29k from the Chinese,
    as well as the well-known disadvantages of the IL-112 project
    1. nks
      nks 5 February 2021 12: 06
      0
      Nothing strange. The news is, in fact, that Drozhzhov is giving interviews at the exhibition, and RFP for a tender for a carrier-based fighter was sent to potential suppliers 3 years ago. The rest of the "news" is in the same spirit.