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"Coalition-SV" has confirmed the ability to hit the target with several shells simultaneously

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"Coalition-SV" has confirmed the ability to hit the target with several shells simultaneously

The newest Russian self-propelled artillery installation "Koalitsiya-SV" was tested in the "barrage of fire" mode, the self-propelled guns confirmed the ability to hit the target with several shells simultaneously. Reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the DIC.


During the tests, the details of which are not given, the "Coalition-SV" fired in a "barrage of fire" mode, hitting the target with six shells. The shells were sequentially fired along different ballistic trajectories and hit the target simultaneously, hitting it.

As the source of the news agency explained, in this firing mode, the first projectile is fired at a large elevation angle of the gun using a full propellant charge, the second with a reduced charge and a reduced elevation angle, the third along a flatter trajectory with an even lower charge, etc. The charges are placed in the automatic loader in advance, the ACS itself calculates the elevation angles for the given target coordinates and automatically makes the necessary adjustments when firing.

The fire control system "Coalition-SV" provides almost instant automatic calculation of the gun elevation angles and pauses between shots for the "squall of fire" mode, depending on the range to the target, the location of the installation itself, weather conditions, wind direction, and so on.

- explained the source.

The 2C35 Coalition-SV self-propelled howitzer is designed to destroy command posts, communications centers, artillery and mortar batteries, and armored vehicles, including tanks, anti-tank weapons, air defense and missile defense systems, as well as manpower of a potential enemy.

The basis of firepower is a 2 mm 88A152 gun with a firing speed of more than 10 rounds per minute, which is higher than the firing speed of other artillery systems.

Serial deliveries to the troops, according to available information, will begin in 2022.
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  1. tlauicol
    tlauicol 30 January 2021 06: 55
    +3
    How severe are the limitations on the firing range with this method, can anyone explain? you can use foreign examples
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 30 January 2021 06: 59
      0
      Quote: Tlauicol
      how severe are the restrictions on the firing range with this method,

      And the firing range is not specified
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 30 January 2021 07: 03
        -13%
        Quote: Lipchanin
        "Coalition-SV" has confirmed the ability to hit the target with several shells simultaneously

        then with knives and butts already ... well, for sure.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 30 January 2021 07: 05
          0
          Quote: Aerodrome

          then with knives and butts already ... well, for sure.

          Strange, but this is not my comment request
          Quote: Lipchanin
          "Coalition-SV" has confirmed the ability to hit the target with several shells simultaneously

          My comment
          And the firing range is not specified
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 30 January 2021 11: 28
            0
            I would say that in this mode of shooting, accuracy and accuracy are much more important, but of course, with reference to the shooting distance, while the distance (you are right! - this is the basic parameter)
      2. Victor_B
        Victor_B 30 January 2021 07: 23
        +5
        Quote: Lipchanin
        And the firing range is not specified

        The newest Russian self-propelled artillery installation "Coalition-SV" was tested in the "barrage of fire" mode
        This mode is not possible at the maximum distance.
        The "barrage of fire" mode is intended for organizing an artillery raid using several or just one gun mount. A number of foreign howitzers are capable of firing in this mode, in particular, the German PzH 2000 can simultaneously lay five shells at one target, and the double-barreled Swedish-Finnish AMOS of a smaller caliber - up to eight.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 30 January 2021 07: 26
          -1
          Quote: Victor_B
          This mode is not possible at the maximum distance.

          So I'm asking what is the maximum distance?
          This is indicated here
          The basis of firepower is a 2 mm 88A152 cannon with a firing rate of more than 10 rounds per minute,

          But there is no maximum distance
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 30 January 2021 07: 28
            +8
            Quote: Lipchanin
            But there is no maximum distance

            I suppose it depends on the desired number of shells simultaneously arriving at the target.
            The closer, the more shells you can "hang" on a steep trajectory (more than 45 degrees) and at the expense of different charges.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 30 January 2021 07: 37
              -5
              Quote: Victor_B
              The closer, the more shells you can "hang" on a steep trajectory (more than 45 degrees) and at the expense of different charges.

              Well, what does this have to do with firing range?
              I am not asking how many shells it can fire, I am asking for what range?
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 30 January 2021 07: 45
                +4
                What is the MRSI artillery firing mode and how it differs from the "squall of fire"

                https://sgs-mil.org/land-component/181-chto-takoe-rezhim-vedeniya-strelby-artilleriey-mrsi-i-chem-on-otlichaetsya-ot-shkvala-ognya.html#hcq=bIN7yns


                I believe that the maximum range for smallest charge sending a projectile at ~ 45 degrees.
                I don't know the value, how and how many different charges are in the set.
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 30 January 2021 07: 53
                  0
                  I kind of ask a deaf person
                  I do not need it
                  What is the MRSI artillery firing mode and how it differs from the "squall of fire"

                  Shooting mode MRSI

                  And this
                  The “squall of fire” firing mode and how it differs from the MRSI firing mode


                  And this
                  To summarize: MRSI firing mode takes place where accuracy is available


                  I am interested to know How many kilometers can she throw a shell?
                  1. Victor_B
                    Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 01
                    +4
                    Then the answer is:
                    I do not know!
                    And very few people know this figure.
                    Personally, I would have classified it seriously. Not childishly, but especially for enemies, I would bring misinformation.
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 30 January 2021 08: 34
                      -1
                      Quote: Victor_B
                      I do not know!

                      Then you could not waste time and energy on answers
                      1. Victor_B
                        Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Lipchanin
                        Then you could not waste time and energy on answers

                        I'm already sorry I wasted ...
                        But maybe someone else will benefit.
                      2. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 30 January 2021 08: 48
                        -2
                        Quote: Victor_B
                        But maybe someone else will benefit.

                        That you don't hear the question and don't give an answer?
                        Most likely someone will benefit
                        Now compare your answers and this one
                        Flooding
                        Today, 08: 05
                        Inside reports about 12 km.
                2. Flooding
                  Flooding 30 January 2021 08: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  I'm curious to know. How many kilometers can she throw a shell?

                  Inside reports about 12 km.
                  But it is not exactly.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 30 January 2021 08: 36
                    -5
                    Quote: Flood
                    Inside reports about 12 km.

                    All. Do not need anything else.
                    And how much air concussion was, and the answer is 5 words good fit
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 30 January 2021 11: 47
                      +1
                      This is not an answer: 152 mm howitzers of other armies throw the shell much further, but this figure is from the firing tables, and they prefer not to be shown ...
                3. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 30 January 2021 09: 24
                  +10
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  I'm curious to know. How many kilometers can she throw a shell?

                  You can try to calculate (approximately) based on the speed of the projectile (≈ 690 m / s) and rate of fire (≈16 rounds per minute) and the maximum firing range of 80 km.
                  We know:
                  The self-propelled guns fired six shots, but the shells hit one target at the same time. This was achieved thanks to shooting from different angles. It also matters that the charge of gunpowder is different in each shot. The fire control system "Coalition-SV" almost instantly calculates the necessary parameters before firing and corrects each subsequent shot, measuring the true flight speeds of the shells.

                  In addition, we know:

                  It is unlikely that all six shells were fired at their maximum range. In theory, this is possible with firing angles of 40 and 50 degrees. But here is another amendment: all six shells hit the target simultaneously with a time difference of 20 seconds, for which the shell flies: 0,69 kmx20 = 13,8 km.
                  Hence, the estimated probability of a "flurry of fire" is possible for a target located at a distance of 60 km or less.
                  In addition, there is one more parameter - the deployment time of the installation. The fact is that the data on the "Coalition" sounded that the self-propelled guns can produce a "flurry of fire" and manage to leave the deployment area before the shells cover the target. What? This is generally elementary. The firing range will be at least 0,69 km x (time to bring to the stowed position + time to leave the firing position) ...
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 30 January 2021 11: 04
                    +3
                    Quote: ROSS 42

                    based on the speed of the projectile (≈ 690 m / s)
                    20 seconds, during which the projectile flies: 0,69 kmx20 = 13,8 km.

                    Initial speed is not supported. But the picture is good.
                  2. hydrox
                    hydrox 30 January 2021 11: 52
                    +1
                    Only one projectile can be thrown at the maximum range and there is no need to talk about the "squall" mode
                4. venik
                  venik 30 January 2021 15: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  I'm curious to know. How many kilometers can she throw a shell?

                  ========
                  The question is NOT CORRECT! request what
                  It depends, WHAT .... A conventional high-explosive fragmentation - hurls at 40 km .... Active-reactive - about 60, controlled - at 80 km.
              2. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 30 January 2021 08: 33
                -9
                Quote: Victor_B
                sending a projectile at ~ 45 degrees.

                I don't ask about degrees
                I'm asking about the range.
                Degrees and kilometers are two big differences
                I don't know the value

                Then why did they undertake to answer?
                And still not in the subject of the question
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 08: 28
              +2
              Sergey, hi !
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Victor_B
              The closer, the more shells you can "hang" on a steep trajectory (more than 45 degrees) and at the expense of different charges.

              Well, what does this have to do with firing range?

              Direct.
              Quote: Lipchanin
              I ask for what range?

              I drew the picture below - everything is clear from the picture.
            3. Andrey.AN
              Andrey.AN 31 January 2021 02: 24
              0
              you have no authority for these questions to expect an answer.
          2. Boratsagdiev
            Boratsagdiev 30 January 2021 11: 55
            +1
            Quote: Victor_B
            Quote: Lipchanin
            But there is no maximum distance

            I suppose it depends on the desired number of shells simultaneously arriving at the target.
            The closer, the more shells you can "hang" on a steep trajectory (more than 45 degrees) and at the expense of different charges.

            oddly enough, for shooting at a distance, it is optimal not 45, but 37-38 degrees
        2. Stas1973
          Stas1973 30 January 2021 12: 34
          +2
          Secret, range
        3. alexmach
          alexmach 31 January 2021 01: 46
          0
          So I'm asking what is the maximum distance?

          So again the question is what kind of shells. The maximum distance was said to be 70 km, but this is clearly a guided missile. A flurry of fire is most likely the good old "cast iron". And the maximum range of such a firing mode will definitely not be great.
      3. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 08: 25
        +7
        Quote: Victor_B
        This mode is not possible at the maximum distance.

        Not an artilleryman from the word "at all", but physics was hammered into us in high school well. In particular, the section "Motion of a body in a parabola". And, as far as I understand the remnants of physics knowledge, the sixth shot should be almost direct fire. Obviously, this range will be the maximum for a "squall of fire".
        Somewhere, conditionally, somehow like this (don't throw your slippers, I drew parabolas as best I could repeat )
        .
        1. Victor_B
          Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 38
          +8
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Somewhere, conditionally, somehow like this (don't throw your slippers, I drew parabolas as best I could

          This is not for me - it is Lipchanin who wants to know EXACTLY with what charge number, at what elevation angle, how many seconds between shots, how many meters of spread it turned out.
          However, the spy! stop
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 30 January 2021 08: 49
            -9
            Quote: Victor_B
            This is not for me - it is Lipchanin who wants to know EXACTLY with what charge number, at what elevation angle, how many seconds between shots, how many meters of spread it turned out.

            Lying then why?
            Show me where I asked such questions?
            1. Victor_B
              Victor_B 30 January 2021 08: 51
              +1
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Show me where I asked such questions?

              But you want to know EVERYTHING?
              Huh?
              Uncle Seryozha are you a spy?
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 30 January 2021 09: 02
                -3
                Quote: Victor_B
                But you want to know EVERYTHING?

                I dare to assure, if I wanted to, I asked
                Uncle Seryozha are you a spy?

                Nope No.
                I'm a liberal, putinoid and someone else, I don't remember everything laughing
                1. Victor_B
                  Victor_B 30 January 2021 09: 08
                  +2
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  I'm a liberal putinoid

                  These two cannot live in one body!
                  Or do you like Naked?
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 30 January 2021 11: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Victor_B
                    Or do you like Naked?

                    Not with me. These labels were glued to me laughing
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 09: 16
                  -2
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  putinoid

                  Up to 80 km bullet.
                  1. Stas1973
                    Stas1973 30 January 2021 12: 35
                    +1
                    It is necessary to clarify that such a range is achieved by active-rocket projectiles
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 30 January 2021 14: 52
                      0
                      Quote: Stas1973
                      It is necessary to clarify that such a range is achieved by active-rocket projectiles

                      And he didn't ask about the type of ammunition.
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 08: 50
            0
            Quote: Victor_B
            However, the spy!

            laughing
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 30 January 2021 09: 03
              -1
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              However, the spy!

              And you're gross, said net, wrapped up in a container and fell laughing tongue
              Igor, hi
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 09: 22
                +6
                Quote: Lipchanin
                And you're gross, said net, wrapped up in a container and fell

                Come on, I, too, sometimes, when the FSB does not see, I study the performance characteristics of our weapons in the Vipiki ... repeat And already in Soviet times, in the "sleeping area" of the working-class outskirts of the city where I grew up, you come to the bathhouse - you will hear enough of this ... It is known that hard workers from defense plants cannot even stop in a bathhouse, they talk about work. Only it is incomprehensible to the uninitiated. You tell the turner: "Carve me a bolt M18 200mm full thread" - he is in a stupor for a couple of seconds, he understands. If you ask for "product 0863244" - he answers without thinking: "So I would say right away, why are you soaring, you are clever ..." laughing
                1. Lipchanin
                  Lipchanin 30 January 2021 11: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  "Carve me a bolt M18 200mm full thread" - he is in a stupor for a couple of seconds, he realizes. If you ask for "product 0863244" - he answers without thinking:

                  My friend was in the MS (defense industry) the head of the PTO. He knew over 3 parts by numbers
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 12: 36
                    +2
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    My friend was in the MS (defense industry) the head of the PTO. He knew over 3 parts by numbers

                    Here I am about that - they are SO getting used to "product No. ....." that sometimes simple words are forgotten. Moreover, surprisingly, both the nut "item No. ...." and the rocket "item No. ....."
                    So, if an American spy came to our bathhouse to eavesdrop on military secrets from the hard workers, he would still not understand anything. laughing
                    1. Lipchanin
                      Lipchanin 30 January 2021 12: 50
                      0
                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      Here I am about that - they are SO getting used to "product no.

                      And in the workshop they talked just like that, product number, product number.
                      The secrecy was off scale, although the whole city knew what they were doing there laughing
                      The same is at "Baikonur"
                      They kept everything secret.
                      Duty unit. Call from the headquarters, allocate an escort with a weapon for the officer with documents. The machine was given, there were no cartridges laughing
                2. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 30 January 2021 13: 12
                  +3
                  ... If you come to the bathhouse, you will hear enough of this ... It is known that hard workers from defense plants cannot even stop in a bathhouse, they talk about work.

                  Good day, Igor.
                  hi
                  Smiled))
                  I remembered how they went to the bathhouse to the "new sappers" (these are modest guys from 12 GUMOs). They had a pool. Maa small, but the pool is near the steam room.))
                  Eheh, memory ...
                  So we talked about ... Girls, a double method of distillation and plans for the next fishing trip.))
                  laughing
                  Happy weekend everyone.
                  May your faceted not be empty.
                  drinks
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 13: 46
                    +2
                    Alex, hi !
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    I remembered how they went to the bathhouse to the "new sappers" (these are modest guys from 12 GUMOs). They had a pool. Maa small, but the pool is near the steam room.))
                    Eheh, memory ...

                    I was in Togliatti in the first half of the 90s on a business trip, we went with the men to the Bodrost bathhouse in the Central District (by the way, it still works). This is something we have already seen - spoiled ... I do not know how it is now, but THEN ...... A well-thought-out steam room, a sauna, a small pool right next to the steam room with icy running water (depth up to the throat), relatively large (for those at times) a separate pool with normal water (one minus - the depth to the waist), Charcot shower ... Impressions - like from the Hermitage. I had not seen such baths anywhere at that time. Although a lot of people have gone through the state baths - a former heavyweight weightlifter, the constant problem of entering the light heavyweight category. Well, and, accordingly, in addition to wild training before the competition and control over nutrition - a bath.
                    1. polar fox
                      polar fox 30 January 2021 15: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      I was in Togliatti in the first half of the 90s on a business trip, we went with the men to the Bodrost bathhouse in the Central District (by the way, it still works).

                      gee ... and at this time, near this bathhouse, robbers from the group of Big Dima drove)))) one of their foreman lived opposite.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 30 January 2021 08: 43
          -3
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Obviously, this range will be the maximum for a "squall of fire".

          Igor, I taught physics at school !!!
          But you didn’t say HOW MUCH IT IS IN KILOMETERS ???
          Well, is it really difficult to understand the question?
          Well, I don't need degrees, pictures.
          I want to know how much it will be in kilometers.
          And only one, I repeat, one said

          +1
          Quote: Lipchanin
          I'm curious to know. How many kilometers can she throw a shell?

          Inside reports about 12 km.
          But it is not exactly
          .

          And his nickname
          Flooding
          Today, 08: 05
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 08: 52
            +1
            Quote: Lipchanin
            But you didn’t say HOW MUCH IT IS IN KILOMETERS ???

            Well, performance characteristics and some of them, artillery, I did not look at the firing tables - it probably says there how much it hits with direct fire ...
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 30 January 2021 09: 05
              -1
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              probably it says how much she hits with direct fire ...

              Well, after all, it was already possible to answer so avno)
        3. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 31 January 2021 09: 46
          0
          This is correct with the allowance for the fact that the Ballistic Trajectory is not an "ideal" parabola.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 31 January 2021 10: 06
            0
            Quote: Zaurbek
            This is correct with the allowance for the fact that the Ballistic Trajectory is not an "ideal" parabola.

            Thanks for the necessary and important amendment.
            I remember the words "parabola", "hyperbola", "ellipse", as well as the functions that describe them, after graduating from school (the fourth decade). But I forgot about air resistance, curvature of the Earth's surface and a number of factors affecting a body moving along a ballistic trajectory ...
    2. KCA
      KCA 30 January 2021 07: 28
      +1
      GRAU knows the range and size of the target, ask them
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 30 January 2021 07: 30
        -5
        The author of the article seems to be not a GRAU request
        1. KCA
          KCA 30 January 2021 07: 34
          +1
          That's why he wrote what was officially announced, 6 shells hit the target at the same time, and the details were not announced, strange, right? Always the same characteristics of weapons are given in detail, how, where, and how, well, so that the spies do not strain
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 30 January 2021 08: 52
            -1
            Quote: KCA
            but the details were not announced

            That's why I asked
            The basis of firepower is a 2 mm 88A152 cannon with a firing rate of more than 10 rounds per minute,

            But there is no maximum distance

            And I'm wondering, well, if you don't know why pour water about degrees? request
            1. KCA
              KCA 30 January 2021 09: 35
              0
              What to pour? A promising self-propelled gun, clearly superior in many respects to any foreign, well, who will announce its exact combat characteristics and the maximum possible? We are waiting for the display at exhibitions of weapons and export options, the enemies, most likely, will find out all the characteristics, but they will not disclose them either.
  2. kenig1
    kenig1 30 January 2021 07: 47
    +1
    Friends from NATO, we are pleased to inform you that "Coalition-SV" can send you 6 shells at a time, at a maximum distance of .... km. Sarcasm, if that.
  3. BARKAS
    BARKAS 30 January 2021 08: 03
    +2
    Most likely, the firing range is comparable to that of a mortar.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 30 January 2021 11: 58
      0
      The mortar does not have enough barrel calibers to throw a projectile at a howitzer distance ...
  4. venik
    venik 30 January 2021 15: 04
    0
    Quote: Tlauicol
    How severe are the limitations on the firing range with this method, can anyone explain? you can use foreign examples

    ========
    This information is not difficult to find in textbooks on ballistics (for art school cadets)! request
  5. venik
    venik 30 January 2021 15: 25
    +1
    Quote: Tlauicol
    How severe are the limitations on the firing range with this method, can anyone explain?

    ========
    And you, in fact, WHICH shells "fire raid" are going to arrange? AND HOW MANY shells in the "queue" do you plan to use? .....
    If the usual (high-explosive) and 6 pieces each - then for the "Coalition" it is about 15 - 18 kilometers (or so) ... request
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 31 January 2021 09: 47
      +1
      It is necessary to take the range with a minimum charge. So it will be 15-20 km.
      1. venik
        venik 31 January 2021 11: 04
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        It is necessary to take the range with a minimum charge. So it will be 15-20 km.

        ========
        good drinks In! That's the parameter and "figured", colleague! drinks
  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 31 January 2021 09: 45
    0
    Maximum range - maximum charge and angle of 45g ..... such exercises are done at medium range. and each projectile has its own trajectory. One flies on a large charge high and for a long time (but close in distance), the other with a small charge - under 45g low and at the same range. the rest on the paths between. All arrive together.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 30 January 2021 06: 56
    -2
    Still, and T14 "teach" how to work on targets, otherwise in battle it is not always possible to wait for the approach of the sau!
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 07: 08
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      Another would be T14 to "teach" how to work on goals,

      And why only him.
      Theoretically, you can teach any weapon with separate loading in this way, which has been done for a long time.
      By the way, the T14 cannon has a unitary charge, and this option is definitely not for her.
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 30 January 2021 08: 32
        +4
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        the T14 gun has a unitary charge

        Does the T-14 have a unitary shot ??? As far as I know, a new 2A82-1M cannon is being put there, which differs from the 2A46 in that it allows you to shoot sub-caliber shells 1 m long, old standard ammunition can also be used, but they are all separate loading.
        Also, for the T-14 tank, improved projectiles have been developed: unguided projectiles BPS "Vacuum-1" 90 cm long; shells "Telnik" with remote detonation at any time of the flight; guided missile projectile URS 3UBK21 "Sprinter". In addition, this gun is capable of firing Reflex-M missiles through its barrel.
        Source: https://voinskayachast.net/vooruzhenie/tanki/tank-t-14-armata-obzor-i-texnicheskie-xarakteristiki#i-7 © VoinskayaChast.net
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 31 January 2021 09: 49
        0
        Split-sleeve and no grooves. Accuracy will be weak. And 125mm is rather weak for such purposes.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 30 January 2021 08: 07
      +2
      To do this, you need to teach a tank gun to raise to high angles, and redesign the turret.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 31 January 2021 09: 50
        -1
        The barrel of Kaolitsiya is very close in ballistics to that of a tank ....... You can see how a tank will look like using her example.
    3. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 30 January 2021 13: 00
      +2
      ... Another would be to "teach" T14 to work on targets like that, otherwise in battle it is not always possible to wait for the sau's approach!

      Hello.

      No need to teach the tank to work SO))
      On all modern tanks, with rare exceptions, there is a SMOOTH-BREED GUN, sharpened for direct fire directly on the battlefield. For a tank, the "DIRECT shot range" is more important.
      Yes, the tank has the ability to work from closed firing positions up to 10 km., But believe experience - the Hrendelpupel is full.

      There is no need to teach a submarine to fly, for that there is ... Dear art with REDGED GUNS.
      wink
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 14: 50
        0
        Quote: Aleks tv
        No need to teach the tank to work SO))

        Why so?
        Judging by the footage from real battles, tanks are used precisely as a mobile assault weapon, and if it is possible to cover the enemy's position without getting out of cover, one must be able to use it.
        A rifled or smooth cannon makes no difference.
        The main thing is how much the sight is a curve.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 30 January 2021 15: 44
          +3
          ... Why so?
          Judging by the footage from real battles, tanks are used precisely as a mobile assault weapon, and if it is possible to cover the enemy's position without getting out of cover, one must be able to use it.
          A rifled or smooth cannon makes no difference.
          The main thing is how far the sight is

          ??
          In my comment above, I seem to have written everything in a fairly simple and accessible language ...
          request
          I advise you to read the difference between a smoothbore gun and a rifled gun... Their pros and cons, as well as why now the tanks (except for the Challenger) have "smooth" barrels.
          There are many articles on the Internet about this.

          In addition to the Internet, I will say the following:
          We tankers were taught to shoot with the PDO.
          So, just in case, to be ABLE.
          But no more than that.
          Moreover, in the PST (rules for firing a tank) until 1974, it was mandatory.
          After that - only as an ADDITIONAL option.

          Has this issue been worked out in modern times?
          Конечно.
          In the spring of 2018. there were exercises at Prudboy.
          The 2S19 battery (6 vehicles) competed with the T-90 company (10 vehicles) firing from the PDO.
          The result is the same - a huge inefficiency of the tank.
          Worst accuracy, large KVO, unsuitability of b / p and their high cost, ineffective resource consumption of an expensive tank gun, etc.
          Which confirmed the previous thesis - a modern tank with a smooth barrel is not very effective for firing with the PDO.
          For this, there are rifled art, mortars and mortar howitzers.

          And the smooth barrel fulfills its OWN task - it accelerates the crowbar to the point of obscenity and qualitatively forms a cumulative jet, and it's easier for a guided missile. Plus PF throws a present.

          Each weapon has its own objectives.
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 16: 43
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            Quote: Aleks tv
            For this, there are rifled art, mortars and mortar howitzers.

            It's good when there is.
            And when not, all possible options are used. They even adapted Gorynych for an attack, but you say you don't need a tank.
            It is clear that this is not optimal, but if the control system and the crew are able, it will only get better.
            The American self-propelled guns have learned to shoot down missiles on the fly.
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 30 January 2021 17: 05
              +1
              ... It's good when there is.
              And when not, all possible options are used. They even adapted Gorynych for an attack, but you say you don't need a tank.
              It is clear that this is not optimal, but if the control system and the crew are able, it will only get better.

              Believe me, modern tankers CAN shoot with PDO.
              Especially now it is ... one might say "fashionable" to insert into the Combat Training Plan as "new trends".))
              laughing
              And if:
              - the "carousel" is quite effective (he played it himself once in the Caucasus, by the way, the sappers next to the "Gorynych" dabbled, pranksters),
              - "Barrage of fire" is also not bad as a tactical technique, taking into account the terrain.
              That is, shooting with the PDO ... is not welcomed even by the VNK SV Armed Forces as an effective way of conducting a database with such units.
              But BP's plans include it, don't worry

              So ... We know how.
              yes
              What is there not to be able to)))
              Azimuth gauge, lateral level - that's ALL the instruments that are in the tank)). And, yes, Bussol is gathering dust in the battalion's KShM NSh.
              Trust me, any artillery pro will laugh at this "equipment". And he will be absolutely right.
              And you don't need it.

              The tank fires with the PDO, but only when there is no other choice.
              And so this is complete bullshit.
              Trust the practice and read it on the internet.
              Good luck and all the best.

              ps I forgot to say: VNK is a military scientific committee.
  • KCA
    KCA 30 January 2021 07: 05
    +5
    Meanwhile, after each shot niggaz clean trunk "Palladin" Yorshik, although in light of recent events, clean purebred Anglo-Saxons, along with shoes nigga wonder, burnishing weapons already banned in the states, as a racist? Now, I suppose, gilding and rhinestones from Swarovski are in fashion ...
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 January 2021 07: 09
    +1
    The ACS itself calculates the elevation angles for the given target coordinates and automatically makes the necessary adjustments when firing
    Apparently, the shooting tables and pencil can be kept in a field bag when not in demand?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 30 January 2021 07: 13
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Apparently, the shooting tables and pencil can be kept in a field bag when not in demand?

      Once upon a time I saw such a caricature. Hall with a computer. In the center of the hall is a glass cube. It contains ordinary bills and the inscription, "In an accident, break the glass"
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 30 January 2021 08: 07
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: rotmistr60
        Apparently, the shooting tables and pencil can be kept in a field bag when not in demand?

        Once upon a time I saw such a caricature. Hall with a computer. In the center of the hall is a glass cube. It contains ordinary bills and the inscription, "In an accident, break the glass"

        On a similar theme, Clark has a story "With a Comet".
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 09: 01
          +1
          Quote: Avis
          On a similar theme, Clark has a story "With a Comet".


          Douglas Adams. Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
          The answer to "The main question of life, the universe and all that" was supposed to solve all the problems of the universe. This answer was eagerly awaited by all sentient races. It was obtained as a result of seven and a half million years of continuous computations on a specially created computer - the "Thinker". According to the computer, the answer has been checked several times for correctness, but it may upset everyone. It turned out that the answer to the question is "42"
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 30 January 2021 09: 35
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            Understood nothing.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 09: 42
              +2
              Quote: Avis
              Understood nothing.

              And there no one understood anything - the style of the novel is like that.
              I personally realized for myself that no matter how smart the computer is, and if the question is not clearly formulated, then the answer to the question will be just as stupid. Such is his, computer, logic.
              Although I liked the book. Film by impression - 10 percent of the book ...
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 30 January 2021 09: 57
                0
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                no matter what a smart computer, and if the question is not clearly formulated, then the answer to the question will be just as stupid. Such is his, computer, logic.

                It is an axiom.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 10: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: Avis
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  no matter what a smart computer, and if the question is not clearly formulated, then the answer to the question will be just as stupid. Such is his, computer, logic.

                  It is an axiom.

                  My friends and I who have read the "Guide ..." by D. Adams, there is such a long-standing joke. In response to some obscure cleverness, most often formulated in a drunken outburst of philosophizing, it is out of place to answer: "42". As if in a friendly way we hint to each other: "Here you are being clever, but I know something that is
                  ... the answer to "The main question of life, the universe and all that" and which solves all the problems of the universe.
                  laughing In fact, there is no sense in the answer "42", just the number 42 and that's it. D. Adams just jokes ... laughing Yes, the whole novel is like that ...
                2. hydrox
                  hydrox 30 January 2021 12: 33
                  +2
                  What a lovely Monday was ... at the Strugatskys' and how the filmmakers spoiled it!
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                    Reviews 30 January 2021 18: 42
                    0
                    Quote: hydrox
                    What a lovely Monday was ... at the Strugatskys' and how the filmmakers spoiled it!

                    They didn't spoil him at all. They shot an absolutely independent work, which has nothing to do with Monday.
                    1. hydrox
                      hydrox 30 January 2021 21: 00
                      0
                      Everything is relative ...
                      I had a COMPLETE collection of the Strugatskys: now I gave it to children for raising grandchildren.
                    2. hydrox
                      hydrox 2 February 2021 09: 56
                      0
                      First there was "Monday ...", i.e. there was the Word.
                      The film was shot ON MOTIVES, and this always smacked of plagiarism without the author's PERMISSION and a sufficient number of links and equivalents ...
            2. Captain45
              Captain45 30 January 2021 13: 09
              +1
              Quote: Avis
              Understood nothing.

              - Petka, instruments?
              - Four hundred, Vasily Ivanovich!
              - What is four hundred?
              - And what devices? laughing
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 30 January 2021 18: 54
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                Quote: Captain45
                Quote: Avis
                Understood nothing.

                - Petka, instruments?
                - Four hundred, Vasily Ivanovich!
                - What is four hundred?
                - And what devices? laughing

    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 30 January 2021 07: 31
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      shooting tables and pencil can be kept in a field bag when not in demand?

      Rather, on demand. And yes, be sure to keep it - everything here is similar to the navigator's service. yes
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 January 2021 07: 39
    +2
    Modern combat vehicle. Accurate, rapid-fire, passable. More of these in the troops ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 30 January 2021 09: 00
    +1
    Strongly, for the first time I hear about such a 152 mm gun. fired almost like a machine gun. good
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 30 January 2021 09: 08
      0
      Shot every five seconds. Far from a machine gun, but the rate of fire and accuracy are phenomenal for this caliber.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 09: 44
      0
      Quote: Ros 56
      Strongly, for the first time I hear about such a 152 mm gun. fired almost like a machine gun. good

      The Wipikedia says 10 rounds per minute. I think for such a caliber - indeed, like a machine gun. laughing
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 30 January 2021 09: 46
    -3
    No movie, just bravado. Continuation of Munchausen?
  • iouris
    iouris 30 January 2021 10: 50
    +2
    Now, if only one projectile, but several targets at the same time ... That's - yes. It's a flurry.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 30 January 2021 11: 04
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Now, if only with one projectile, but several targets at the same time

      A projectile with a nuclear warhead?
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 30 January 2021 12: 08
        -1
        In order to increase the effectiveness of destruction of area targets, cluster munitions with fragmentation submunitions have been created. Shells of this type are used in barrel artillery of 120, 152 and 203 mm calibers, mortars of 240 mm caliber, in MLRS of 220 and 300 mm calibers, as well as in TR and OTR warheads. Due to the many points of rupture of combat elements (BE), the area of ​​fragmentation damage in comparison with conventional ammunition of the same caliber increases many times. Cluster munitions are especially effective when firing at openly located and located in open fortifications of manpower, unarmored and lightly armored vehicles.
        Source: http://www.modernarmy.ru/article/465/artilleriyskie-snariadi © Portal "Modern Army"


        All samples of projectiles and explosives operate on the same principle. KAS delivers, as a rule, two BETPs, which in the target area are pushed out of the hull with the help of an ejector device, after which their speed decreases and they stabilize. The search for a target is carried out by scanning along a downward spiral of the flight path from a height of 150-180 m. The target sensor operates in the millimeter and infrared ranges of the electromagnetic spectrum. When a target is detected, a shaped charge is initiated, and the formed shaped charge, called the "shock core", strikes armored vehicles into the upper hemisphere at a speed of about 2 m / s.

        In 2003, during the operation in Iraq, the US ground group had more than 300 XM898 SADARM shells. In this case, 121 ammunition was used, of which 108 (that is, 216 BE), hit only 48 combat vehicles at a distance of 10-15 km. Thus, in the absence of interference, the probability of being hit by one XM898 SADARM BETP when hit was on average 0,22.

        http://www.dogswar.ru/boepripasy/snariady-rakety/6518-kassetnyi-artillerii.html
    2. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 30 January 2021 11: 29
      0
      What is the problem? You just need to collect the goals in one place, and heap, heap :)
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 30 January 2021 12: 42
      0
      Quote: iouris
      Now, if only one projectile, but several targets at the same time ... That's - yes. It's a flurry.

      I saw this machine gun. About 20 years ago, while still on video, I watched Indian movies. There, their superman, without changing the store, crumbled 72 villains from a machine gun - he paused and counted on purpose. laughing Not otherwise cartridges were with multiple bullets. laughing

      Not a fan of turkey movies from the word "absolutely", but a friend advised me to watch it for the sake of this episode.
  • Boratsagdiev
    Boratsagdiev 30 January 2021 12: 00
    0
    Quote: Lipchanin
    Quote: Victor_B
    sending a projectile at ~ 45 degrees.

    I don't ask about degrees
    I'm asking about the range.
    Degrees and kilometers are two big differences
    I don't know the value

    Then why did they undertake to answer?
    And still not in the subject of the question

    Of course, no one will give you the exact parameters, but the usual ones are up to about 40 km + / -...
    "special" ammunition up to 70-80 km.
  • strannik1985
    strannik1985 30 January 2021 12: 27
    +1
    Binom Newton, in the pseudo-salvo mode, even the D-30 can shoot, without automation.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 30 January 2021 12: 31
    0
    It would be nice to "teach" and shoot mortars in the same way ...
  • Stas1973
    Stas1973 30 January 2021 12: 40
    0
    The "squall of fire" mode is actually the range of the shot at the minimum angle of inclination, taking into account the type of charge. Those. 13-15 km. KVO is not known.
  • svp67
    svp67 30 January 2021 13: 13
    0
    That is, one gun is capable of sending three volleys of nine shells at a target at one target within a minute. And the rest of the guns can be assigned for other purposes ... Good economy
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 30 January 2021 14: 33
    0
    I would prefer to hear how the Krasnopolye Coalition got into the UAZ what nebut at the training ground for sure. With the video, it's a bomb. And the squall is so old. For the newest apparatus, this is not the best characteristic.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 30 January 2021 14: 54
      +1
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      I would prefer to hear how the Krasnopol Coalition got into the UAZ at the test site for sure

      So this is how it depends not on the Coalition, but on Krasnopol. It does not matter from which gun, but at least from a slingshot.
      Now, if she was 40 km away with the usual "cast iron" in the UAZ, then yes.
      1. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 30 January 2021 15: 08
        0
        The fact of the matter is that if this flurry is provided somewhere in the immediate vicinity, then it's worthless.
        1. agond
          agond 30 January 2021 19: 00
          0
          Probably it is possible to shoot from MLRS "Grad" in a similar way, that is, to constantly change the angle of elevation, so that the missiles all missiles would fall simultaneously in one place.
          1. Pashhenko Nikolay
            Pashhenko Nikolay 30 January 2021 19: 03
            0
            The hail is definitely not possible in the context of the article. The hail just hits the target.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 31 January 2021 09: 53
      0
      To unleash the potential of the current barrel, we need satellite-guided shells (without illumination) at 70 km ... serial and inexpensive (relatively)
      1. agond
        agond 31 January 2021 10: 43
        0
        Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
        The hail is definitely not possible in the context of the article. The hail just hits the target.

        Therefore, it is impossible that the angle of elevation during shooting remains constant.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 31 January 2021 12: 27
    0
    Quote: Lipchanin

    But there is no maximum distance

    A squall when shooting at a range of 40 percent of the maximum.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 31 January 2021 12: 37
    0
    The self-propelled howitzer 2S35 "Coalition-SV" is designed to destroy command posts, communication centers, artillery and mortar batteries, armored vehicles, including tanks, anti-tank weapons, air defense and missile defense systems, as well as manpower of a potential enemy.nice
    oh, that there was such a help
  • kig
    kig 31 January 2021 16: 08
    0
    And why is this necessary if you still hit the target? Something does not come to mind.
  • zenion
    zenion 31 January 2021 16: 13
    0
    He can get into himself like that.