"Our power is controlled from Washington": Ukraine comments on Zelensky's imposition of sanctions against Chinese investors at the Motor Sich plant

In Ukraine, they are commenting on the decision of the country's authorities regarding the Motor Sich engine-building enterprise. Recall that the share portfolio of this enterprise was going to be sold to Chinese companies some time ago. Then certain difficulties arose with the deal, including due to the fact that Kiev's American partners decided to intervene in the matter. Chinese firms did invest at their own risk.

Now it has become known that Kiev has imposed sanctions against Chinese companies that have invested in Motor Sich. In particular, the Chinese company Skyrizon was under sanctions. The corresponding document was signed by President Zelensky. This is the decree numbered 29/2021, which activated the "special regime of restrictions proposed by the NSDC".

Ukrainian experts, commenting on the situation, draw attention to the fact that the Ukrainian sanctions document turned out to be a copy of the American one. The United States imposed sanctions on Chinese investors in the Motor Sich plant a couple of weeks ago.

The American document noted that sanctions against Chinese companies are being imposed in connection with the risks of "using technology for military purposes to the detriment of US security."

Of course, the Ukrainian document does not directly mention the interests and security of the United States, however, in fact, the Ukrainian authorities have once again shown whose directives they are fulfilling.

Here are some comments of Ukrainian readers to messages about the decision of President Volodymyr Zelensky:

This is an amazing lack of independence in decision-making.

I don't understand: are we imposing sanctions on companies that have invested in our own economy? This is completely absurd. We cut the branch on which our economy somehow sits.

Which was required to prove: we do not have our own power, our power is controlled from Washington. Does anyone else think this is not true?

And how easy it will be to work with China now ...

Comments

[Prisoner]

Did they just get it? Well, giraffes!

[Proxima]

From the text: "We are chopping off the branch on which our economy somehow sits." Unfortunately for Ukrainians, it's not really bitches and not really they sit on it. How can this be culturally expressed ... ??.

[Terenin]

"Our power is controlled from Washington"

Sad, neighbors ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Terenin

"Our power is controlled from Washington"

Sad, neighbors ...

I absolutely agree, the outskirts are forcing our cosmonauts on the ISS to feed on enemy amerovsky dry rations. Personally, I am concerned.

[military_cat]

The plant has little choice, either joining the sanctions, or being bought by the company under sanctions and being under them. If they plan to do refitting and work for export, then there is no particular choice.

[Graz]

military_cat
as I understand it, China is their main economic partner, not the United States. so Ukraine will have a lot of problems now

[military_cat]

Earlier, I remember, they wrote that the Chinese problem of Ukraine is that they will sell all the remnants of production to China and will be left with nothing. It turns out that the advice of the experts was heard.

[SSR]

Quote: Graz

as I understand it, China is their main economic partner

We are the Aggressor in first place in terms of volumes, and China is in second.

[TermNachTer]

And the plant had no choice. The Chinese bought the plant back in 2016.

[Volder]

Quote: Stroporez

I absolutely agree that the outskirts are forcing our cosmonauts on the ISS to feed on enemy Amerov's dry rations.

And who makes American astronauts use the Russian toilet in the Russian segment of the ISS? Who forced the United States to ask Russia to deliver American astronauts to the ISS in 2011-2019? Not only are you talking about some kind of nonsense, but you also splash out this nonsense in public. Not ashamed?

[gjkrjdybr50]

The Americans flew on our ships to the ISS. Why didn't you express concern then? And ours went to the Yusam "for salt" and you already felt bad, did you care?

[Rubi0]

Che sadness then? The more they kill enterprises, the better, the same repairs and orders will go to enterprises from the Russian Federation. And the leadership of the Russian Federation should learn how the states kill the production of their colonies for kapuha also in the form of loans

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Terenin

"Our power is controlled from Washington"
Sad, neighbors ...

U.S. too. neighbors.... (!).
our once common country has been torn apart, and the inhabitants of its once fragmented components, with affection, are trying to whip up each other in the comments ... ? !!

Quote: Rubi0

..The more businesses they have, the better., the same repairs and orders will go to enterprises from the Russian Federation.

I wonder how many enterprises (I will notice created in the USSR) and you, -

Quote: Rubi0

will kill themselves

... ? !!

Quote: Rubi0

And the leadership of the Russian Federation should learn how the states kill the production of their colonies for kapuha also in the form of loans

... -
1) it seems that they kill production (your tops) and so can (!)..
2) but at the expense of the colonies ... ?! Well I do not know ? !! ... it seems "Rusal" or "Norilsk Nickel" already by 56% non-Russian companies (those. priority distribution of profits from the supervisory boards of companies, - it seems from seven foreigners, instead of Russians ? !!) .... But it doesn't amuse me, on the contrary, it saddens (!).... One people, one country was built, and now they are in charge of foreigners (!!!)...
And who may I ask -

Quote: Hagen

.... An implacable enemy ...

? !! and to whom ? !!

Quote: Hagen

allows you to destroy your production

? !!

Quote: Hagen

... competing with ours. Are you sad? Who are you for in this war?

[Rubi0]

Your peacekeeping statements are out of place. If for foreigners profit is the most important thing and they are ready to have joint ventures, then look at the so-called neighbors of which you rank as a single nation, the Ukrainian authorities broke all production cooperatives, Lukashenka also somehow did not allow joint production of tractors to be created. Because who is worse than foreigners or princelings of the former republics is still a big question

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: Rubi0

then look at the so-called neighbors of which you rank as one nation,

watching / watching ... (straight from the inside !! so to speak). and ..? !!

Quote: Rubi0

... the Ukrainian authorities broke all production cooperatives, Lukashenka also somehow prevented the creation of a joint production of tractors.

... ? !!

Quote: Rubi0

Because foreigners are worse or princes of the former republics that's still a big question

that is, it is only "our princes" (Fix's tricks ? !! ), and your ... ...? !! or you "his", not even allowed "princeling" name ... ? !! .... Or maybe - "Yes, that's completely different!"... and so you decided -

Quote: Rubi0

Your peacekeeping statements are out of place.

... ?! Well, where really, ... we really ...
but I'll probably like your comment (!), in the heading, - "FOR FUN and LONELESS !!! "....

[hagen]

Quote: Terenin

Sad, neighbors ...

What is it from? An implacable enemy allows idiotic stupidity and allows you to destroy your production, competing with ours. Are you sad? Who are you, in fact, for in this war?

[nnm]

Yeah .... this is now trade partner number 1 for Ukraine!
I don't think that the Chinese are freaking out and chopping off the shoulder. It's not in their nature. But slowly but surely to swallow up, crush the economy for yourself, and then "love" this outskirts with all the proletarian hatred - yes, it is quite possible. Only non-brothers, it seems, are not afraid of this. I am sure everyone understands, but the authorities know that now they will fill their pockets and dump them, and those who remain in the territory of this misunderstanding will stand in the knee-elbow.

[Volkof]

You, like the author of the article, have false information! The controlling stake in Motor Sich belongs to a Chinese company, they bought this private enterprise from its former owner (he had a controlling stake) and director Boguslaev at the same time! All actions of the President of the Okrug and its officials are illegal. If this meeting does not take place, then the Chinese have already prepared documents for international arbitration with a claim against Zelensky and K * for $ 3,5 billion. Boguslaev takes a very interesting position, having sold his shares, he manages the enterprise and its finances in violation of all the setting documents and has not collected shareholders' meetings for more than 3 years! Though the duck, but still that narrow-headed !! This grandfather will be made extreme in any case ...

[Holgerton]

Well, in general, it all started solely with the fact that the Chinese, without any notifications and requests for permission to the state authorities, decided in a roundabout way and through third parties under the guise of 2014/15. to buy up a controlling stake in Motor Sich, which is considered a strategic enterprise and any actions regarding the change of its owner / form of management and export must be official (the fact that it is private does not deprive it of the state's attention).
The Chinese (well, let's be honest, this Wang Jing himself is still a scoundrel and bankrupt at the moment) neglected this and, when trying to concentrate a controlling stake in one person, were pressed under several articles not related to current events.
And only 2-3 years later the Americans took it seriously and what is now going on began.
In fact, neither the Chinese nor the Americans are completely clean here. The Americans interfere in other people's affairs with their own interests, and the Chinese, as always, are cunning and pretend to be innocence.
Do you think they even hope for something by filing in Western courts, hiring Western companies to sue $ 3,5 billion against Western interests?
Yes, they are conducting this farce, just to drag out the process, they certainly have something to offer the Americans, especially in the light of the new administration, which is more loyal to Beijing.
And the whole of China is not only a couple of failed bankrupt traders, the PRC has its own interests in Ukraine, perhaps even more than those of the Americans and only for the sake of some businessmen (the price of failure of which is at most ~ 900-1100 million $) they will not break off mutually beneficial cooperation, which is even more beneficial for the PRC itself, since they are accustomed to making money and not flirting with conventional Venezuela / Belarus, etc. and give them endless loans, as we do.

[Avior]

The only comment reflecting the real situation.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Avior

The only comment reflecting the real situation.

On the topic "Chinese vs Ukraine / Motor Sich"
And here is the topic of Ukraine's sanctions against a separate company and its owner.
Sanctions are being imposed on Chinese Motor Sich investor companies Skyrizon Aircraft Holdings Limited, Hong Kong Skyrizon Holdings Limited, Beijing Skyrizon Aviation Industry Investment Co., Ltd and Beijing Xinwei Technology Group Co., Ltd.
Also, sanctions for a period of three years are imposed against the citizen of the People's Republic of China Wang Jing - a shareholder of Beijing Xinwei Technology Group and Beijing Skyrizon
Interfax for some reason wrote that Russian individuals and legal entities. The application of the decree on the site is only a Chinese company and owner.
In fact, it is clear why. Violation of the laws of Ukraine. The case was opened back in 2017.
The United States only imposed sanctions on Skyrizon Aircraft Holdings on January 15, 2021.
China itself will not be affected.
I have never seen such comments like in the article. The enterprise is strategic.
They shouldn't give it away either. Logically, then the comment should be of this kind
"Sold everything to the Chinese"

[Avior]

They were at first
Until it became clear that the fact that the Chinese paid Boguslaev money did not make them the real owners.
They have already harnessed Yaroslavsky, but the Americans untied Kiev's hands by imposing sanctions against Wang Jing.

[27091965]

Quote: Holgerton

Do you think they even hope for something by filing in Western courts, hiring Western companies to sue $ 3,5 billion against Western interests?
Yes, they are conducting this farce, just to drag out the process, they certainly have something to offer the Americans, especially in the light of the new administration, which is more loyal to Beijing.

If the Americans really begin to mend relations with China, then what should Zelensky do? Cancel the sanctions?

[Holgerton]

At the moment, the Moca Americans have only imposed sanctions against these very "investors", and not China, a similar situation with this sanctions decree, it is aimed exclusively at individual individuals and legal entities, and not China.
If the situation changes and the Americans improve relations, it is possible that the situation with Motor Sich will unfreeze and the Chinese government, so be it, will contribute to this.

[tolmachiev51]

How do you imagine "sanctions against the PRC -state" !?

[Holgerton]

If you are so interested in this, then you can google information about a small trade war that took place between the United States and China in 2018-2019. and how the yuan sank then, roughly this can be described by your term "sanctions against the PRC state."

[Thompson]

I especially liked the phrase-

And only 2-3 years later the Americans took it seriously and what is now going on began.

The rest is nuances

[TermNachTer]

The shares were bought through the exchange - absolutely legally and legally. Do not allow to combine several packages into one - control. Nobody sold strategic enterprises, they are in state ownership. With regard to Zaporozhye, these are ZTMK, ZMKB Progress, NPO Iskra. "Motor" was privatized back in the 90s.

[Holgerton]

Well, yes, I totally agree, that's what I wanted to say.
As for Motor Sich, yes, it was privatized long ago. But there is an opinion that the shares were initially sold by prior agreement and without informing the relevant authorities, plus everything Motor Sich has long been noted as "an enterprise of strategic importance for the security of Ukraine", which accordingly makes any transactions with it, especially foreign trade or change of ownership, subject of interest to internal services.
The only problem with him when buying is the inextricable interaction with ZMKB "Progress" on patents and design documentation, since everything related to engines, with some exceptions for helicopter models, was developed, owned and owned by ZMKB, which, by the way, has its own production facilities. though not so large-scale. Motor Sich, in turn, has recently been increasingly used for diversification, such as additional equipment, blades and helicopter modernization.
But I think the issue was resolved there, ZMKB would simply pay royalties and provide funding for research and development, which actually happened, even the plant worked and works regardless of the showdown of investors.

[TermNachTer]

"Progress" without "Motor" does not produce anything by itself, they do not have a full production cycle, not to mention that their capacities will not "pull" a large order. They wanted to privatize Progress in 2011, but Yanukovych intervened at the last moment and Motor started having problems. LLC "Helicopters Motor Sich" has practically nothing to do with "Motor", except that the owners are the same.

[Sahalinets]

Do you seriously think that these Chinese people bought MCs on their own initiative? Yes, this is just the laying of the Chinese Ministry of Defense and of course they acted on their instructions.

[Holgerton]

The Chinese Defense Ministry's Gasket is the supply of engines through Hong Kong that has worked, works and will work.
In this case, the purchase of Motor Sich made no sense, and, as you can see now, it even attracted unnecessary attention.

[TermNachTer]

No one doubted this, but decency must be respected)))

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Proxima

From the text: "We are chopping off the branch on which our economy somehow sits." Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, this is not quite a bitch and not exactly they are sitting on it. How can this be culturally expressed ... ??.

They cut the stake on which the Ukrainian economy is strung through the lower sphincter.
She still sucks, with a stake in one place, and if they chop it off, it won't get better. Under an unfavorable combination of circumstances, which is quite possible, given their competence, they land just on a stump of stake, which, rushing upward, will also master the upper sphincter.
It will turn out to be such a kind of double penetration. But they are no strangers.

[Proxima]

Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

Quote: Proxima

From the text: "We are chopping off the branch on which our economy somehow sits." Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, this is not quite a bitch and not exactly they are sitting on it. How can this be culturally expressed ... ??.

They cut the stake on which the Ukrainian economy is strung through the lower sphincter.

Well, you almost culturally put it ..

[Slavenin82]

They jump on it, jump ... who does not jump that Moskal.

[Eug]

If it is a branch, then it is located not quite horizontally, but rather vertically. In Russian for this there is the term "stake" ...

[credo]

Quote: Proxima

From the text: "We are chopping off the branch on which our economy somehow sits." Unfortunately for Ukrainians, it's not really bitches and not really they sit on it. How can this be culturally expressed ... ??.

On the account of how the United States treats Ukraine, Sikorski, a former Polish minister, said well about his country. This applies to Ukraine in the most direct way, but it seems that even in 30 years they have not understood this. Or maybe they just like to live like this in humiliation and constant deception.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: credo

This applies to Ukraine in the most direct way, but it seems that even in 30 years they have not understood this. Or maybe they just like to live like this in humiliation and constant deception.

I don't know how Ukraine, but its government likes it. Russia does not give more money and indulgences.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Proxima

Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, this is not quite a bitch and not quite they are sitting on it. How can this be culturally expressed ... ??.

Yes, interestingly, interestingly, it seems, given the return of the new US president, there is more of an old stump. Although how it was: ".. And on a spring day, even an old tree stump ..."

[Balaganov]

TV option. They chop off the branches on which they sit.

[Dym71]

Quote: Captive

Did they just get it?

There have been and will be sane people in Ukraine, the trouble is that today nobody needs their opinion.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dym71

There have been and will be sane people in Ukraine, the trouble is that today nobody needs their opinion.

The smartest person was in Ukraine. Everlasting memory.

[Incvizitor]

Hryvny dollar, yenoy

[halpat]

Quote: Captive

Did they just get it? Well, giraffes!

Biting the hand of the giver and the lactator, defecating into the well from which you will have to get drunk more than once, rejoice at the dead cow of your neighbor and other exciting activities - this is an old kaklyatska tradition.
There is nothing to be surprised at.

[Aerodrome]

what we would have achieved, with a Ukrainian sober and with a Russian skill (or vice versa) ... even scary to think. and China and the United States would simply flow into there ...

[Incvizitor]

Whoever had a clever dumped where she is appreciated ...

[antivirus]

The enlarged Romanian-Bulgarian Republic lives happily ............................................. .....

[Dizzy]

Ukraine has always been dependent, first on Poland, then on Russia, and now on the United States :) The main thing is that there is peace on earth.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Dizzign

Ukraine has always been dependent, first from Poland, then from Russia

Yes, they've been lying under somebody all their lives
Now the geyropes were not enough for them, they stepped across the ocean.
They stepped so wide that the trousers creaked at the seams

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dizzign

Ukraine has always been dependent, first on Poland, then on Russia, and now on the United States

No, now Ukraine no longer depends on anyone, because it already has nothing but the president and the government, and the people have fled into laborers and migrant workers all over the world.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: tihonmarine

No, now Ukraine no longer depends on anyone, because it already has nothing but the president and the government, and the people have fled into laborers and migrant workers all over the world.

So I am constantly proud that everything is bad in Ukraine.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

and the people fled to farm laborers and migrant workers all over the world.

To do this, for visa-free travel on the Maidan and rode

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Lipchanin

To do this, for visa-free travel on the Maidan and rode

And at that moment, where are you, how about,? To wash your teeth in a glass in the morning is a special skill for a dustbug.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

To do this, for visa-free travel on the Maidan and rode

Visa-free travel in Europe does not work for migrant workers, but you can enter, find an employer to apply for a visa. But mainly through Poland (a gaster hiring company) they arrange a business trip with a Polish visa. The visa-free freebie is very thin.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Visa-free in Europe for migrant workers does not work, but you can enter

Coronovirus planted a pig on them, they do not let them into Geyrop

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Coronovirus planted a pig on them, they do not let them into Geyrop

Oops! They crawl like bedbugs. There are many loopholes, but they will always get through.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Oops! They crawl like bedbugs.

They are bedbugs. They drink blood from Russia all their life

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

They are bedbugs. They drink blood from Russia all their life

And how many of them there are, if you knew!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Coronovirus planted a pig on them, they do not let them into Geyrop

Want to tell you how to screw it in.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Want to tell you how to screw it in.

And the need for invention is cunning
In a personal. I'll sleep, I'll read it tomorrow

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

In a personal. I'll sleep, I'll read it tomorrow

I'll write in the morning.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: tihonmarine

Visa-free in Europe for migrant workers does not work, but you can enter

Coronovirus planted a pig on them, they do not let them into Geyrop

you are naive mikhan ...

[nnm]

Well, such an addiction. Khrushchev lived almost his entire life in Ukraine, Brezhnev is a Ukrainian by nationality. Chernenko is Ukrainian.
Who else was driving who should be seen
It's just that we really regarded them as brothers and did not separate them from ourselves, and for everyone else they are just a population, for some misunderstanding, occupying a territory rich in resources.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: nnm

Khrushchev - lived in Ukraine almost all his life

And his maiden name was Nikita Khrushch.

[Black lotos]

Quote: tihonmarine

And his maiden name was Nikita Khrushch.

climbed into Wikipedia to read about him. So he didn't even know Ukrainian. Opposed the translation, he emphasized in every possible way that it was Russian. And he was engaged in party work for 11 years in the Ukrainian direction. And so all his life in the Central part he spent the RSFSR. The Juz period is difficult to write down
And the Second World War can generally be subtracted a couple of years.
What is Ukrainian about him besides political work (only 11 years old) and unwillingness to work there?

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Black Lotos

climbed into Wikipedia

Why would an adult uncle insert a girl into an avatar ... first get into the pedigree on these issues.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Black Lotos

Quote: tihonmarine

And his maiden name was Nikita Khrushch.

So he didn't even know Ukrainian.
What is Ukrainian in it?

EMBROIDERY - put on ...
AND EVERYTHING - disappeared people, appeared Ukrainian...

[alex neym_2]

Uncle said / ordered and bobby stood on his hind legs ... Fought with the neighbors, now we got to China ... is it worth it? Motor Sich mattress covers are not needed in FIG, but they need to be destroyed - just in case.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: aleks neym_2

We got into a fight with our neighbors, now we got to China ..

[alex neym_2]

Yes, it would be better if the Tribalts declared war on China: on the way there, at least they would not trample on the Ukrainian side, otherwise they would smell ... offended ... the Chinese economy would be destroyed (which has long been gone).

[gurzuf]

They cut down the tree on which the economy of this amazing country was. The branches of this tree are finished off.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: gurzuf

They cut down the tree on which the economy of this amazing country was.

The tree needed to be watered and looked after. And so it just dried up and turned into firewood.

[Dizzy]

After the political changes that have undoubtedly taken place in Ukraine, the economy requires special attention. In almost every country of the Eastern Bloc, after the collapse of the USSR, the economy was in ruins (due to the plundering of the property of the former power apparatchiks). In the 90s, many oligarchs appeared who seized state property for a penny. At that time, ordinary people had nothing to put in the cauldron. Western companies entertained themselves like in a circus, buying for a pittance and eliminating competitors.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Dizzign

After the political changes that have undoubtedly taken place in Ukraine, the economy requires special attention. In almost every country of the Eastern Bloc, after the collapse of the USSR, the economy was in ruins (due to the plundering of the property of the former power apparatchiks). In the 90s, many oligarchs appeared who seized state property for a penny. At that time, ordinary people had nothing to put in the cauldron. Western companies entertained themselves like in a circus, buying for a pittance and eliminating competitors.

uh ... what country are you talking about ... everything is so similar everywhere ..

[Lipchanin]

Quote: gurzuf

The branches of this tree are finished off.

That give for a big puddle

[gurzuf]

Rather, they are watching the big puddle so that the remnants of these twigs do not get to anyone and they (the twigs) will turn into no one else needs dust.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: gurzuf

They cut down the tree on which the economy of this amazing country was. The branches of this tree are finished off.

Taiga?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stroporez

Taiga?

There is only steppe in Ukraine. The tree is "dumb".

[Sling cutter]

Quote: tihonmarine

There is only steppe in Ukraine. The tree is "dumb".

Here I am about the same! The taiga is cut out here, but the blame for this is like lobsters.

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Stroporez

Taiga is cut out here,

creepy ...

[Brturin]

Quote: tihonmarine

The tree is "dumb"

Well, not that at all, but with diligence ... "But illegal logging, taking place under the guise of difficulties that Ukraine suffered, destroyed large pieces of forest that absorb excess water and provide protection against floods" - UN Environment Program Director Inger Andersen

[Black lotos]

Quote: tihonmarine

There is only steppe in Ukraine. The tree is "dumb".

Google says that not everything is clear

The total area of ​​the forest fund in Ukraine is 10,4 million hectares, which is 17,2% of its territory, of which 9,6 million hectares are covered with forest vegetation (the forest cover of the territory of Ukraine, thus, is 15,9%). The largest forest cover is in the Ukrainian Carpathians (32%).

forest cover in Russia, by the way, is very high - 45.4%. Only Brazil has more.

[tihonmarine]

[quote] [quote = Black Lotos] Google says that not everything is clear
[/ quote] The total area of ​​the forest fund in Ukraine is 10,4 million hectares, which is 17,2% of its territory.
Why I wrote "The tree is dumb", but I remembered the anecdote about the old "convict". They go to the "convicts" in the car, the old ZK and says - "When I sawed wood in Kara-Kumy, that was something. Dad, so there is a desert, what kind of forest? When I sawed wood in Kara-Kum, there was taiga, and now a desert. "
Here is something similar in Ukraine.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: tihonmarine

There is only steppe in Ukraine. The tree is "dumb".

There is a forest in the Carpathians.
Here Carpathian forest and chopped - and sold to the EU (like firewood, according to documents)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: cat Rusich

Here they cut the Carpathian forest and sell it to the EU (like firewood, according to documents)

With a big stretch, but this is still Ukraine.

[gurzuf]

We have the same not all "gut". But the article is not about us.

[major147]

Quote: gurzuf

They cut down the tree on which the economy of this amazing country was.

"Kiev has imposed sanctions against Chinese companies that have invested in Motor Sich!
Sometimes it seems that the bottom has been broken in Ukraine, but no! Every time they manage to surprise me! I will comment on the news in one word: "Fuck!"

[tihonmarine]

And how easy it will be to work with China now ...

I wonder who will be fun and easy to work with Ukraine after this.

[Lipchanin]

Poles, tribals
All the same puppets

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Lipchanin

Poles, tribals
All the same puppets

as well as Georgians, Azerbandjans, Armenians, Kyrgyz, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Gasdep and Bulk.Only Putin is our president, or Medvedev.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Poles, tribals

I don’t know about the Poles, but the Balts will not be divorced by the Garna lads as suckers. They always take gaster for dirty work, especially roads and trenches,
in winter, and in spring and summer agricultural work. And the cautious Balts do not want to deal with them.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

And the cautious Balts do not want to deal with them.

The Fashington Regional Committee will give a command and how cute they will take it under their peak and say "Yes"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

The Fashington Regional Committee will give a command and how cute they will take it under their peak and say "Yes"

But for the Estonian farmer, the Fashington Regional Committee is not a decree (this is a decree for the government).

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

not a decree (this is a decree for the government).

Here is the government and put pressure on the farmer

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Here is the government and put pressure on the farmer

Euro-laws are bad. There are loopholes in the darkness.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Euro-laws are bad. There are loopholes in the darkness.

So they will trade with the outskirts

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

So they will trade with the outskirts

At least the Balts have nothing to trade with them, and even more nothing to take from the outskirts. There are Russian goods in Estonia, but I have not seen Ukrainian lard, sunflower oil and honey for 10 years, and there was nothing else. Although recently Estonia sold the old Soviet PMs to the outskirts.

[nsm1]

Willing abnormal ukram to shoot themselves in the foot, well, let it ...

[wow]

Yes ukram no longer need to shoot in the leg, but in the head!

[nsm1]

I agree!
That would be extremely, highly desirable!

[Lipchanin]

They shoot themselves in the head in the presidential elections

[Eug]

Rather, in Russia they are not betting on those (as for me). And in Ukraine, many vote on the principle of choosing the "lesser evil" with the hope of choosing a worthy one by the method of successive approximation (there is one in computational mathematics). I'm only afraid that there are no such candidates in principle ...

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Eug

by the method of successive approximation (there is one in computational mathematics).

TYKA Method.
Tyk is an ancient Russian scientist who invented method of successive approximation to the desired result... It is in his honor that the "Tyka method" is named

[tihonmarine]

Quote: yo-mine

Yes ukram no longer need to shoot in the leg, but in the head!

So there is no need to shoot, there is still one hole.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: nsm1

I want to shoot crazy ukram in the foot,

So they have already riddled one of them, now they have taken up the second

[Dizzy]

Ukrainian is your brother: D (Is that Banderovets, it is not)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dizzign

Ukrainian is your brother: D (Is that Banderovets, it is not)

Well, why are you scratching everyone with the same brush? There are many normal people in Ukraine, and they are Soviet-minded.

[Dizzy]

The Soviet man is not normal, he is a communist. Russia has wonderful traditions (before communism).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dizzign

The Soviet man is not normal, he is a communist.

My great-grandfather is not a communist, my grandfather is not a communist, my father joined the CPSU in 1941 near Moscow. And that means my father, fighting from 1939 to August 1945, is not a normal person, who fought from the Finnish War to the Japanese. And who saved your parents, SON ??? Democrats?

[IC]

This is the trouble with Ukraine that there are too many scoops. Even nationalists use in their propaganda the entire arsenal of the Soviet propaganda pop, like a blueprint.

[nsm1]

Do you know the saying about friends and the museum?
Here are the brothers there ...

[Dmitry Potapov]

How the pan stubbornly resists the good thoughts that come to mind!

[Cowbra]

Man descended from a monkey, and svidomite from a giraffe

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Cowbra

Man descended from a monkey, and svidomite from a giraffe

Man descended from man, and svidomo from a monkey.

[Cowbra]

In the beginning, God created Obama and Yehu. And from them came Svidomo. The gospel of tomos

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Cowbra

In the beginning, God created Obama and Yehu. And from them came Svidomo. The gospel of tomos

The humor is accepted. Respect.

[wow]

And they will work with yukreina according to the principle: "... hey you, but not you, you went to .... And you stay here - go there ...". SHAME !!!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: yo-mine

And they will work with yukreina according to the principle: "... hey you, but not you, you went

This is rude, and somehow not in line with normal working relationships. This is how our employers do - Construction, thin mesh fence, working day 08.00 - 18.00, went outside the fence until 18.00, tomorrow you are unemployed. And don't need "Hey, no! Yes, etc."
This time is long gone. Who understands that they work, no - they twist the tails of the bulls at home.

[Reviews]

Chinese company Skyrizon was under sanctions

And I couldn't understand everything - whose million-voiced neigh comes from the east-southeast ...

[svp67]

And this is considering that now China is the MAIN trade partner for Ukraine .... Well, just a "brilliant" solution

[Lipchanin]

Quote: svp67

Well, just a "brilliant" solution

And what did you expect from the director of the 95th block and part-time lackey at the Oval Office

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

And what did you expect from the director of the 95th block and part-time lackey at the Oval Office

Yes, I would not say that he is a lackey of this cabinet, rather he is the son of his people.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

And what did you expect from the director of the 95th block and part-time lackey at the Oval Office

And I didn't expect anything. He is neither Ukrainian nor Yankees, he is the son of his country.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

And this is considering that now China is the MAIN trade partner for Ukraine .... Well, just a "brilliant" solution

In Ukraine, this is life.

[Black lotos]

Quote: svp67

now China is the MAIN trade partner for Ukraine

By the way.
China 15,1%
Russia 11,5%
Germany 9,8%
Poland 7,2%
Belarus 7%
It's funny that imports fell by 10%. With a decrease in exports by 2%. Apparently there is not enough currency. Expensive. Although Chinese imports were purchased for 8,3 billion, and sold to China for 7.1 billion.
They will not go to aggravation. Neither China nor Ukraine.

[svp67]

Quote: Black Lotos

They will not go to aggravation. Neither China nor Ukraine.

Well, Ukraine has already gone, and China is not one of those who now turn the other cheek after a blow ... In any case, there is already a decision to sue Ukraine. And there they can attract the old "debts", but they are

[Ruslan Sledkov]

So it is very good that we have decreased by 10% from Ukraine to buy. Why pour currency into their economy and support their economy Apparently this is a deliberate policy of our leaders. One of the first was a call with an attempt to introduce a ban on the purchase of Ukrainian railway wheel pairs. By the way, you can't hear something, how it ended

[bar]

We cut the branch on which our economy somehow sits.

During the hike, she no longer sits on it, but hangs.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: bar

but it hangs.

With a noose around your neck

[Andre___86]

Come on!! Zrada !!! Never bolo and here it is again)))

[Ruslan Sledkov]

The Chinese are being driven (with a motor sich, the huavei were kicked out), they are being sanctioned, but they still climb into Ukraine - the latest example is that the Chinese wanted to sell their vaccine to Ukraine. And here they were sent. Where is the limit of Chinese patience?

[Dizzy]

The Chinese are only concerned with dollars, euros and rubles. Throw them out the door, they will enter through the window.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ruslan Sledkov

And here they were sent. Where is the limit of Chinese patience?

Do you think that the Chinese can be sent somewhere ???

[olhon]

I thought he had no eggs. Now you can see whose they are.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: olhon

I thought he had no eggs. Now you can see whose they are.

Now seen in the hands of Faberge Zelensky

D. Biden may be an old man, but he has stranglehold... Uncle Sam will say - V. Zelensky will pay and eat "fried eggs from his Faberge" ...

[Dmitriy444]

As an expert, I will tell you, judging by the photo, on the SHR of the third blade of the NV, you need to change the rubber cover to begin with, and then you can impose sanctions on the Chinese.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Dmitriy444

As an expert, I will tell you, judging by the photo, on the SHR of the third blade of the NV, you need to change the rubber cover to begin with, and then you can impose sanctions on the Chinese.

the author and where the photo is from. Maybe this photo is not from Motor Sich.
Maybe the product was brought just for this.
The negotiated sanctions are not for ALL Chinese companies. Specifically, one.
The United States, by the way, at one time introduced 33 Chinese companies, possessing the largest trade with China.
trade turnover does not greatly affect the sanctions policy.

[Bad_gr]

I don't understand: are we imposing sanctions on companies that have invested in our own economy? This is completely absurd. We cut the branch on which our economy somehow sits.

Already the second bitch, at least if you recall the pumping of gas through Ukraine.

[svoit]

Ukrainian experts, commenting on the situation, draw attention to the fact that the Ukrainian sanctions document turned out to be a copy of the American one.

But the goals are different, the Americans do not want technology leakage to China, and Ukraine does not want to give back investments (the money has already gone to the right people)

[voronkov]

Ukraine is already a colony of the United States for a long time and a reservation .. They are waiting for when they will die out and free up the territory for the colonists .... And Zelensky, who he all knows! Good luck to you "brothers-farmers" .. The last thing you have left, you yourself and destroy. Maybe this is for the best.

[rocket757]

Here are some comments of Ukrainian readers to messages about the decision of President Volodymyr Zelensky:

Who cares? Who is the head in this house? big uncle / aunt because of okey, that's all.

[tralflot1832]

The Chinese will take cruel revenge, isn't there a Ukrainian with a Chinese cut of eyes in Ukraine! There will be and will be the president. President Li Xi Tsin. Sounds?

[Metallurg_2]

our power is controlled from Washington

That vi sho? Have you received your sight in the seventh year?

[Eug]

As I understand it, the Americans have a headache - the repair of Afghan helicopters (more than 100 pieces with the corresponding number of engines). Russia, for obvious reasons, is not being considered, but in Ukraine there is a production of engines (TV3-117) and fuel equipment - pumps НР-3 ВМ, ВМА, ВМТ are produced by the Kharkov plant FED. Konotop Aircraft Repair Plant has technologies for repairing these types of helicopters. The problem was in the propeller blades, but the Americans solved it by selling a 3D printer to make them. The head of Motor Sich became the General (or Chief) designer for helicopters (I don't know how), in a word, the puzzle began to take shape, and then the Chinese with their investments ... The money is again past the cash register ... and I recently heard an interesting version - that Maidan was "sculpted" not so much against the Russian as against the Chinese influence on Ukraine. So everything is understandable.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Eug

the Americans have a headache - the repair of Afghan helicopters (more than 100 pieces with the corresponding number of engines). Russia for obvious reasons is not considered

why so
servicing of helicopters in Afghanistan is carried out by AAL Group Ltd from the UAE and Volga-Dnepr (the first is Airfreigt Aviation Ltd - partners of the Russian Helicopters holding, which has created a joint service enterprise with Russian Helicopters International Rotorcraft Services (IRS).)
But in December 2020, two Mi-17V-5 helicopters of the Afghan Air Force arrived for repair at the Ukrainian aircraft repair enterprises Motor Sich (Zaporozhye) and Aviakon (Konotop).

[Eug]

Maintenance and repairs are still very different. So I'm not sure that the companies you named have the ability to repair, especially since you yourself are talking about the supply of equipment to Ukrainian enterprises. And the MC (it seems that through it and the Konotop ARZ) I do not know how much% belongs to the Chinese. The sanctions, in my opinion, are needed just to cut off the Chinese "investors" from the money under these contracts. And Russia is not considered precisely because sending helicopters to Russia for repairs is easier than a steamed turnip, but for some reason this has not yet been done, and I (I can only judge by myself) have been hearing about this topic since 2014, despite the fact that it is far not the most informed person in this matter.

[razved]

Only the descendants of the ancient U.K.R.o. in ...

[AVA77]

Things are happening more and more wonderfully with Ukraine.
They rode, rode into the bright future, rode the day, rode the night and rode to, who does not gallop that Chinese

[kit88]

Chinese firms did invest at their own risk.

So where's the money?

[Ovsigovets]

Quote: Holgerton

Well, in general, it all started solely with the fact that the Chinese, without any notifications and requests for permission to the state authorities, decided in a roundabout way and through third parties under the guise of 2014/15. to buy up a controlling stake in Motor Sich, which is considered a strategic enterprise and any actions regarding the change of its owner / form of management and export must be official (the fact that it is private does not deprive it of the state's attention).
The Chinese (well, let's be honest, this Wang Jing himself is still a scoundrel and bankrupt at the moment) neglected this and, when trying to concentrate a controlling stake in one person, were pressed under several articles not related to current events.
And only 2-3 years later the Americans took it seriously and what is now going on began.
In fact, neither the Chinese nor the Americans are completely clean here. The Americans interfere in other people's affairs with their own interests, and the Chinese, as always, are cunning and pretend to be innocence.
Do you think they even hope for something by filing in Western courts, hiring Western companies to sue $ 3,5 billion against Western interests?
Yes, they are conducting this farce, just to drag out the process, they certainly have something to offer the Americans, especially in the light of the new administration, which is more loyal to Beijing.
And the whole of China is not only a couple of failed bankrupt traders, the PRC has its own interests in Ukraine, perhaps even more than those of the Americans and only for the sake of some businessmen (the price of failure of which is at most ~ 900-1100 million $) they will not break off mutually beneficial cooperation, which is even more beneficial for the PRC itself, since they are accustomed to making money and not flirting with conventional Venezuela / Belarus, etc. and give them endless loans, as we do.

and then they will impose sanctions against Huawei ... then against someone else from the PRC, and so on and on and on ... and then losses of $ 100 million, if released on the brakes, will turn into billions of dollars for the PRC. You can't be kind there, only evil

[Viktor Sergeev]

The slave does not think, the slave repeats.

[tolmachiev51]

"What was required to prove: we do not have our own power, our power is controlled from Washington. Does anyone else think that this is not so?" - they begin to think !!! the Americans sneezed at you. there is an economic war with China.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

And the Russian Duma is also controlled by the United States! Only does not know about it! The Americans are imposing sanctions on the unwanted! So the Duma imposes sanctions against him.
people!

[Vdi73]

Ukraine's sanctions against Chinese investors