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The Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation was the first to warn about the threat of deficit. Probably because there they received information for analysis earlier than others. But not everyone knows that the Government at any time has the right to stop the rise in prices for socially important food products.

And we are talking about such products as beef, pork, lamb, chickens, fish, butter and sunflower oil, milk, eggs, sugar, salt, tea, flour, bread, rice, millet, buckwheat, vermicelli, potatoes, cabbage , onions, carrots and apples.

On the one hand, this seems to be good and the products will remain available.

But in the same Accounts Chamber, they decided to look at the problem from a different angle. And they quickly came to the conclusion that such straightforward regulation would almost inevitably lead to shortages.

Auditors of the Accounts Chamber emphasize for a reason:

“The administrative limitation of price increases for basic foods is a step aimed at supporting low-income groups of the population, who have a high share of spending on food.

At the same time, such a step carries systemic risks.

First, it is the likelihood of a shortage of goods that fall under price restrictions.

It may not be profitable for manufacturers to sell their products at fixed prices, and the proposed compensation will not be enough to cover lost profits. "

Those who lived in the Soviet Union remember well the huge queues at grocery stores - there is nothing, but everything is fabulously cheap.

Manufacturers will be saved by excitement


When the coronavirus is blamed for all the problems, in my opinion, this is about nothing, this is a conversation "vaasche". There are always specific reasons for everything. Even natural disasters have them.

So, at the end of 2020, inflation in Russia amounted to 4,91%, exceeding both the forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development (3,8%) and the Bank of Russia (4,2%). This is the highest figure in the last five years. Economists cite several reasons for inflation.

We will only repeat the main ones.

The first reason. Rush demand in March-April for food and non-food essential goods. Here, of course, the virus worked together with the "genetic" memory of the people. Seeing how the economy was blown away, the people, repeatedly taught by bitter experience, rushed to the shops.

By the way, now this phenomenon is observed not only in Russia, but also in well-fed European countries. Plus a competent informational brainwashing.

And now only the lazy is not talking about the coming deficit. This, without a doubt, will provoke a new rush demand, and after it - a rise in prices.

The second reason. Weakening of the ruble. This directly affects inflation - imported consumer goods and imported raw materials, materials and components are becoming more expensive.

According to the Bank of Russia, over the past four years, the share of imports in our consumer market was 39% in general, and directly in the food market - about 28%. The planned increase in prices and tariffs for housing and communal services also affected.

The third reason. The decline in yields of a number of key crops hit prices hard. In particular, last year sunflower seeds were received by 13,7% less than in 2019, sugar beet - by 40,4%, potatoes - by 11,3%, vegetables - by 2,3%.

From a very scrupulous analysis of the Accounts Chamber, it is clear that this situation arose not only because of a poor harvest (here not everything depends on people), but also because of a reduction in acreage. This is where government regulation would be very appropriate. As a result, there was a strong growth in prices for sugar (by 64,5% per year) and sunflower oil (by 25,9%), as well as for bread and pasta.

Prices are ordered to stand


In December, on behalf of the President, the government took a number of measures to curb the rise in prices for socially important products. In particular, it is planned to conclude special agreements on price caps between the Ministry of Agriculture, the Ministry of Industry and Trade and the Federal Antimonopoly Service, on the one hand, and retail chains, and commodity producers, on the other.

Currently, such agreements have been concluded only for sugar and sunflower oil. The wholesale price of 1 kg of granulated sugar is limited to 36 rubles, retail - 46 rubles. For sunflower oil there is a limit of 95 and 110 rubles per 1 liter, respectively. Moreover, the agreements will be valid only until the end of the first quarter.

In order to contain sugar prices in the medium term, factories will be able to obtain preferential loans in 2021 to purchase sugar beets from producers. If this does not help, the Ministry of Agriculture will consider the possibility of abolishing the import duty on cane sugar.

A prohibitive export customs duty (30%, but not less than 165 euros per 1 ton) has already been introduced on sunflower seeds, which will be in effect from January to June this year. The issue of introducing export duties on sunflower oil is being considered.

Restraining the growth of prices for bread and flour will be carried out through the introduction of quotas on grain exports.


Conclusions ahead


The Accounts Chamber does not exclude that a number of manufacturers who have signed a special agreement will find ways to evade their obligations.

First, the

"They will redirect commodity flows to export or to a warehouse in anticipation of the lifting of the price freeze ... Secondly, after the restrictions are lifted, there is a risk that prices will return to growth at an accelerated pace,"

- said in the report of the joint venture.

However, the auditors believe that it will be possible to make a final conclusion on the further effectiveness of the deterrent measures only after they are removed in the first quarter of 2021.

Meanwhile, the Association of Retail Companies (AKORT), which includes signatories, cheerfully reports:

"Stocks of products in the largest retail chains AKORT for all socially significant goods are maintained, as during the entire last year, at a high level, which guarantees satisfaction of any consumer demand."

At the same time, however, representatives of trade very much hope that the government will not extend the term of the agreements and will not expand the list of goods with restrictive sanctions.

Grow up, son!


Meanwhile, retail trade is not only large chains. There are also small, mostly regional, as well as very microscopic private shops. These market participants do not have their own logistics, and food producers simply refuse to tinker with small things, so they have to use the services of distributors.

The latter, however, do not fit into the scheme invented by the government and continue to supply small goods at any price. Experts from large retail make a helpless gesture: what can you do, small sellers are always weaker than large ones.

But it is the small shops that are within walking distance from a huge part of the population, as a rule, from low-mobility pensioners with low incomes. How to deal with them?

A few months ago, a friend of mine opened a small shop in a village near Moscow. The sign flaunts:

“Economy class products”.

The people reached out. In addition to the fact that everything is cheaper there (meat, fish) than in a nearby supermarket, the quality is also excellent.

But after the New Year, things went awry. Distributors began to break prices for everything. For example, the store owner bought a chicken drumstick before the New Year at 180 rubles per kilogram, now - at 250 rubles. Growth - 39%! Only the sign remained of the economy class.

The naive aspiring businessman says:

“Maybe we should apply to the FAS? Is the competition protected there? "

Explained popularly: it is not a tsar's business - to protect any husk, they are only interested in those who occupy at least 15% of the market.

Grow up, son!
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 1 February 2021 15: 08
    +19
    Food prices rose by an average of 30%. And the reason is that import substitution, like other reforms ... has failed.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 1 February 2021 15: 11
      +17
      Quote: Svarog
      Food prices rose by an average of 30%. And the reason is that import substitution, like other reforms ... has failed.

      Are you expecting something different? The authorities have other worries, to fill their pockets, so that they would not deprive some of the next bulk feeders.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 February 2021 15: 13
        +9
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Quote: Svarog
        Food prices rose by an average of 30%. And the reason is that import substitution, like other reforms ... has failed.

        Are you expecting something different? The authorities have other worries, to fill their pockets, so that they would not deprive some of the next bulk feeders.

        That's for sure. Apparently, there are no other worries. But I would like to see those responsible for the failures. More precisely, I would not want to see them in the government and other power structures ..
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 1 February 2021 17: 35
          +5
          One of the reasons is the low exchange rate of the ruble, which is kept so artificially. It is beneficial to companies such as PJSC Gazprom, in general, to those who work for foreign currency. Well, it is beneficial for the state. Only this is all the benefit at the expense of the country's population, since all prices in the country grow from the low ruble exchange rate.
        2. bad
          bad 2 February 2021 07: 24
          +22
          Quote: Svarog
          But I would like to see those responsible for the failures

          They are shown on TV every day. But now it is impossible to criticize them, according to the new laws.
      2. zenion
        zenion 1 February 2021 16: 28
        +4
        So after all, prices went up over the hill, not only for food, but also for delivery vehicles, that is, for gasoline and diesel fuel. And it goes without saying that prices from matches to rockets will rise.
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 1 February 2021 17: 10
        +20
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        The authorities have other worries, to fill their pockets, so that they would not deprive some of the next bulk feeders.

        Everything is fine with them and their pockets are orom, or rather bottomless, because they stole the whole country.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 1 February 2021 15: 12
      +7
      For example, the store owner bought a chicken drumstick before the New Year at 180 rubles per kilogram, now - at 250 rubles. Growth - 39%!

      So they buy broiler eggs over the hill ..
      1. Civil
        Civil 1 February 2021 15: 30
        +8
        Quote: Svarog
        For example, the store owner bought a chicken drumstick before the New Year at 180 rubles per kilogram, now - at 250 rubles. Growth - 39%!

        So they buy broiler eggs over the hill ..

        With the general sad foreign trade statistics, the beneficiary of the situation in January-April 2020 year-on-year was Russia's export of food and agricultural raw materials, as can be seen from the above reference. Let us add that our deliveries of these goods to "distant" countries increased by 24,4%, to the CIS countries - by 18,2%.
        Source: https://www.eg-online.ru/article/422465/


        The very first link speaks of the massive export of food, and in foreign currency there is a very modest amount relative to the physical volume.
      2. credo
        credo 1 February 2021 15: 37
        +16
        I do not undertake to judge the correctness of the conclusions made by the Accounts Chamber, despite the fact that it itself declares that the final conclusions can be drawn later.
        But the fact that the producers did not have the opportunity to export their products abroad suggests that it is not the weather conditions or the reduction of the cultivated areas that are to blame.

        It seems that the state itself stimulates the export of products abroad in order to obtain greater profits, and the Accounts Chamber in this case simply acts as a mouthpiece for draining the necessary information and preparing the population for the upcoming price increase. However, this is not beneficial for Putin and United Russia in light of the upcoming elections.
        True, there is another version of what is now happening in the food market - the actions of some high-ranking officials and wealthy businessmen who are sucked by the West, who by their actions create a protest situation in the country for a change of power amid riots, pogroms and "hunger" riots.

        The massive increase in food prices and protests against the "poor" Lyosha are also painfully consistent. Weird coincidence.
        1. Lionnvrsk
          Lionnvrsk 1 February 2021 16: 58
          -3
          Quote: credo
          True, there is another version of what is now happening in the food market - the actions of some high-ranking officials and wealthy businessmen who are sucked by the West, who by their actions create a protest situation in the country for a change of power amid riots, pogroms and "hunger" riots.

          The massive increase in food prices and protests against the "poor" Lyosha are also painfully consistent. Weird coincidence.

          I would like to repeat the previously quoted quotations:
          “There is one important political nuance. The regional elites and parts of the lower and middle bureaucracy benefit from protests. They do not support them directly or even indirectly. But not much and interfere with the rallies. It's simple. Moscow's policy deprives them of their former privileges. The food supply is narrowing throughout the country. The bureaucracy does not benefit from a situation in which the country is in the position of a besieged fortress. It’s in vain that for 20 years they have been transferring stolen funds to the West, sending children there, buying real estate in order to spend the rest of their lives there on retirement, ”Tatar political scientist Ruslan Aisin.
          “The organizers of the protests are not navalists. They would not have pulled it, the gut is thin and there is no organizational resource. They are wolves. And these wolves are not about politics. These wolves are about politics and money. This is not a conditional "State Department". There will still be a "State Department", don't worry. He is still just recovering. It's all from the inside. And the money was from the inside. And the money was big. And this construction is carried out by people with the experience of commercial wars, when it is necessary not to dump the opponent, but to make them feel their weakness, ”Professor D. Evstafiev, Russian political scientist-Americanist, expert on military-political issues of Russian national security, US military and foreign policy and regional problems of nuclear nonproliferation. In Political Science, Professor at the Higher School of Economics. hi
          1. clerk
            clerk 1 February 2021 18: 05
            -2
            One amendment is that these wolves mostly operate on the internet. More than half of the whining about the rise in prices is an obvious order. Moreover, the characters openly lie, get confused in terms, percentages and prices, but take it impudently.
      3. clerk
        clerk 1 February 2021 18: 02
        -6
        Have you tried to buy domestic ones?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 2 February 2021 18: 24
          +8
          Quote: clerk
          Have you tried to buy domestic ones?

          what is this? laughing

          Are you from the moon?
          1. clerk
            clerk 2 February 2021 18: 50
            -2
            No, I'm from Earth. But at the same time I am not an alternatively gifted one, and unlike them I understand how the country of manufacture of the product differs from the place of registration of the outlet.
    3. Civil
      Civil 1 February 2021 15: 16
      +17
      Deficit Under Capitalism? That again the USSR is to blame and Comrade Stalin personally?
      Or is it that producers don't need the collapsed ruble? And they drive everything that is possible over the hill, with no return.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 February 2021 15: 19
        +14
        Quote: Civil
        Deficit Under Capitalism? That again the USSR is to blame and Comrade Stalin personally?
        Or is it that producers don't need the collapsed ruble? And they drive everything that is possible over the hill, with no return.

        They buy everything over the hill .. the same poultry farms, imported equipment, imported feed, imported vaccines .. and here I was recently struck .. a broiler's egg and then imported .. So the prices are growing ..
        1. Civil
          Civil 1 February 2021 15: 21
          +17
          Quote: Svarog
          They buy everything over the hill .. the same poultry farms, imported equipment, imported feed, imported vaccines .. and here I was recently struck .. a broiler's egg and then imported .. So the prices are growing ..

          And where did the gasoline go to the Far East, and grew in other places? And what about heating prices? Is gas and coal also delivered?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 1 February 2021 15: 22
            +13
            Quote: Civil
            Quote: Svarog
            They buy everything over the hill .. the same poultry farms, imported equipment, imported feed, imported vaccines .. and here I was recently struck .. a broiler's egg and then imported .. So the prices are growing ..

            And where did the gasoline go to the Far East, and grew in other places? And what about heating prices? Is gas and coal also delivered?

            It is more profitable to sell on the foreign market .. apparently everything goes there .. capitalism ..
          2. Crowe
            Crowe 1 February 2021 15: 44
            +23
            And what about heating prices? Is gas and coal also delivered?

            For gas, it became much more in the ticket, I also noticed this winter. So it's damn America to blame. And who else.
        2. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 1 February 2021 22: 07
          +2
          Not all poultry farms are imported, not all and not one hundred percent, there are a lot of examples
        3. major147
          major147 2 February 2021 20: 06
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          They buy everything over the hill .. the same poultry farms,

          After retiring in the early 2000s, I had to work as a chief specialist at a poultry farm for many years. The profile is an egg. Laying hens were bought in Crimea (then Ukraine) for about 45 euro-cents per head. Equipment - Holland, Germany, Poland.
          80% of the cost of eggs is feed. About 10-15% of this amount goes to imported feed additives, everything else, and these are cereals, sunflower meal, soybean meal, sunflower oil, quartz sand and shell rock and others, others, and others - of domestic production.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 2 February 2021 18: 25
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        Deficit Under Capitalism?

        only one - money
    4. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 1 February 2021 15: 37
      +30
      Quote: Svarog
      And the reason is that import substitution,

      Well, not really. The main reason, perhaps, is the exorbitant appetites of networkers. Here's just for comparison. In September I bought potatoes at the base in Khlebnikovo. Prices - 14, 15, 16 rubles. From the variety and degree of purity. The magnet, at that time, was 22. Watermelons 11 and 23, respectively. Tomatoes from 30 base, and from 70 magnet. For less common items, for example, for kohlrabi and Brussels sprouts, the gap is even 3 or more times ...
      From the wholesale price, for most of the products, in the retail price, God forbid, half. The rest ... To feed the face-faced orphans.
      PS
      If the price of a product consists of a quarter of the manufacturer's costs, and 3/4 of the logistics, packaging and markups of the merchant ... Something is wrong in such an economy. Very much wrong.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 1 February 2021 15: 42
        +16
        Quote: Lannan Shi
        The main reason, perhaps, is the exorbitant appetites of networkers

        Recently, the networks have really started to get impudent .. if earlier they were pricing 30-35% .. but now, judging by the difference in the selling price and on the shelf .. the markup is 60% .. judging by the product that we supply ourselves ..
        But the ruble exchange rate also plays an important role. hi
        1. Darkesstcat
          Darkesstcat 1 February 2021 15: 56
          +6
          In theory, large networks have sufficient capital to have a good roof.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 1 February 2021 15: 57
            +13
            Quote: Darkesstcat
            In theory, large networks have sufficient capital to have a good roof.

            In fact, they are not ours .. and they want to receive profit in euros and dollars
            1. Alf
              Alf 1 February 2021 19: 01
              +7
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: Darkesstcat
              In theory, large networks have sufficient capital to have a good roof.

              In fact, they are not ours .. and they want to receive profit in euros and dollars

              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 1 February 2021 22: 13
                -4
                Half of your list is bullshit, again, where is the magnet?
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 2 February 2021 18: 26
                  +8
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  Half of your list is bullshit

                  submit your details .... laughing laughing love
                2. Alf
                  Alf 2 February 2021 20: 07
                  +4
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  Half of your list is bullshit, again, where is the magnet?

                  Take a closer look at N12 ... Or visit an ophthalmologist.
        2. bandabas
          bandabas 1 February 2021 19: 04
          +7
          Only for ordinary sellers salaries in the networks do not grow.
      2. dementor873
        dementor873 5 February 2021 23: 37
        0
        In St. Petersburg there is no alternative to networks, no one will go to Okay or Lenta for potatoes, because there it is 5 rubles cheaper. Well, in fact, salaries here are just higher and people do not pay much attention to prices, mostly from grandmothers I hear discontent. Well, it is understandable, their pensions are not very different from the average Russian in comparison with the salary.
    5. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 1 February 2021 16: 21
      -11%
      Let's do it this way. We have pink salmon fish in stores which I have never had before, I don't want to take 150. I don't want chilled pork 250 each, which was not there before. Milk fresh darkness which was not. Our vegetables, Jewess, Primorye. Everything is relative. I choose kefir for myself for 10 minutes because there are so many regional producers that you no longer know what to take. Failed? I'm not ready to agree. At least not with us.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 1 February 2021 16: 52
        +17
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Let's do it this way. We have pink salmon fish in stores which I have never had before, I don't want to take 150. I don't want chilled pork 250 each, which was not there before.

        It turns out that the protests in Khabarovsk were not in vain.
        1. nsm1
          nsm1 1 February 2021 17: 34
          -2
          By itself!
          And what proposals go into the thought - the Far Eastern capital, the card of the Far East, money for tickets ...
          Protests are always beneficial.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 February 2021 00: 36
          -1
          It started long before them
          1. nsm1
            nsm1 2 February 2021 00: 43
            -1
            No, the bill was introduced 5 or 6 days ago.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 2 February 2021 00: 47
              -1
              Pancake. What other bill?) The affordable fish project began in 15 year. Google to the rescue
              1. nsm1
                nsm1 2 February 2021 00: 48
                -1
                The draft law on the Far Eastern capital.
                I don't remember the inaccessibility of fish, there was no such thing never.
        3. ghby
          ghby 2 February 2021 10: 12
          0
          Quote: Stroporez
          It turns out that the protests in Khabarovsk were not in vain.

          There were no protests in Omsk, but everything is exactly the same. The choice is huge. But we traditionally had a strong milk and it was hard to come in from outside. Well, lately, the locals have become more active, they have created their own kiosks - networks)) they sell milk, with a shelf life of 3 days, then this milk is sold with a markdown as yogurt ...))) Yes, and there would be a desire and a choice can be made. But the chains are so impudent, they stand on the shelf, for example, cream, not local, well-known brands, right in sight, and there are several types and brands, but the price ... and in the corner, lonely, separately from these plums, there are local plums at a price half less, here they take all the same.
          1. Darkesstcat
            Darkesstcat 2 February 2021 11: 46
            +1
            Our networks take a share for the shelves *. That is, in order to display the goods, you need to redeem the shelves.
            1. major147
              major147 2 February 2021 20: 11
              +1
              Quote: Darkesstcat
              Our networks take a share for the shelves *. That is, in order to display the goods, you need to redeem the shelves.

              Not only for the shelves, but also for the entrance to the chain market.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 1 February 2021 18: 44
        0
        Do not believe in Sochi the same thing, food for every taste and price. Our Belarusians have tightened up, imagine delicious, it’s mine hasn’t sent me to the bases yet. In hyper I only go on holidays, something delicious to the table drinks , meat on the market from 270 rubles pork. Mandarins from 40 rubles. Bread of course has risen in price at bakeries, but there are no private traders, already triggered 30 rubles.
      3. nsm1
        nsm1 1 February 2021 22: 25
        -5
        Quote: carstorm 11
        We have pink salmon fish in stores that have never been available before
        No wonder they followed Furgal.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 2 February 2021 00: 38
          0
          This fish program thrived when Furgal was gone. Don't be creative. This clown only chatted the most
          1. nsm1
            nsm1 2 February 2021 00: 43
            -1
            I honestly don't understand why this program is at all - we had pink salmon always.
            Without interruption, always, every day, in all seriousness.
            This is not a program, the distribution has been corrected.
            It was in connection with the protests.
            PS: always meant KhMAO
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 2 February 2021 00: 45
              -4
              Well, since you know that it would be so, for God's sake. And the fact that she is 5 years at least you do not care.
              1. nsm1
                nsm1 2 February 2021 00: 46
                -1
                It is not clear why she should disappear, that is the question.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 2 February 2021 00: 49
                  -1
                  Pink salmon were bred. The rivers are clogged so there is nowhere to put it now
                  1. nsm1
                    nsm1 2 February 2021 00: 50
                    -3
                    So there was no shortage.
                    Moreover, where did you get it?
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 2 February 2021 00: 52
                      -1
                      Yes, it was not in the stores. At all. But I was in the markets. I took half of my friends. I'll talk about its availability in a regular store. About affordable price
                      1. nsm1
                        nsm1 2 February 2021 00: 54
                        -1
                        I have completely different memories.
                        No markets, where from, we don't catch her!
                        But always in the store, cheaper than now.
                        PS: I often buy pink salmon, muksun is expensive.
                      2. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 2 February 2021 00: 55
                        0
                        Well, I live here and apparently I know worse than you) there was no one in the stores. Chum salmon, by the way, is also 150. My friends have always brought tails and caviar for as long as I can remember.
                      3. nsm1
                        nsm1 2 February 2021 00: 57
                        -2
                        You didn't have.
                        We've always had it.
                      4. nsm1
                        nsm1 2 February 2021 01: 10
                        -1
                        In fact, I also took it on the market ...
                        Only this is not a market, a shopping center, although it is called a market.
                        I don’t know at all if there is a difference between a market and a store, the prices are the same anyway.
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        This clown only chatted the most
                        Degtyarev is also a balabolka, he watched it on YouTube.
                        And in general, a weird type.
  2. dementor873
    dementor873 5 February 2021 23: 40
    0
    Sometimes the goods arrive broken with damaged packaging or when dsuhpert at the store. And the fillet that costs 300 rubles per 150gr or canned caviar for 1000 is not worth the money. In a village a liter from pike I salted heaven and earth with garlic. And there is no decent meat at all, it's easiest to take chicken. It has less chemistry. I go home when I go to Kirov, then in St. Petersburg I get used to food for a week. Well, there is no natural here, or it costs a lot of money.
  • clerk
    clerk 1 February 2021 16: 25
    -3
    30% over what period? About the failure of the reforms - a duty slogan that has nothing to do with real life.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 February 2021 16: 27
      +10
      Quote: clerk
      About the failure of reforms - a duty slogan that has nothing to do with real.

      Maybe you wanted to say to the astral? laughing or to the euro?
      1. clerk
        clerk 1 February 2021 16: 50
        -3
        Do you have difficulty understanding what you have written?
  • Linxs
    Linxs 1 February 2021 17: 23
    +4
    In the next month, prices will rise by 2-5-10%. Transportation costs have gone up. Pay us, of course.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 1 February 2021 18: 02
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    Food prices rose by an average of 30%. And the reason is that import substitution, like other reforms ... has failed.

    Don't talk nonsense. General consumption products were imported in such quantities that their absence due to sanctions would affect prices? Are the energy sources involved in food production imported?
    And until the age of 14, when the sanctions were announced, prices were rising. Is not it?
    We returned to what we left in the late 20s and early 30s of the last century. When a manufacturer of agricultural products (read kulak) began to dictate his terms to the state. As a result, the state was forced to abandon the slow, gradual collectivization and start its accelerated implementation.
    In modern conditions of capitalism prices can be influenced by the expulsion of all intermediaries from the producer-consumer chain. And it’s not that much.
    The state, having decided to help its citizens, raises salaries, pensions, etc., and then the manufacturer, whatever it may be, raises prices. And this competition is endless. Capitalism, what can I say.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 February 2021 20: 48
      +8
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Don't talk nonsense. General consumption products were imported in such quantities that their absence, due to sanctions, would affect prices

      No nonsense .. it's not only about imports, but also about domestic production, which also depends on the West .. Whose equipment is the manufacturer? Where does he buy spare parts? And not for rubles, respectively, this is included in the price, then all kinds of additives, additives, packaging, and sometimes raw materials .. often imported .. and also falls into the price ..
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 1 February 2021 20: 54
        -2
        Quote: Svarog
        Whose equipment is the manufacturer?

        So you yourself said - "Sanctions". What equipment is due to the hillock? And spare parts. And raw materials. You will come to one thing - either sanctions, or more expensive imports.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 1 February 2021 22: 21
          +8
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          So you yourself said - "Sanctions".

          Where did I say about the sanctions? Have you confused me with anyone?
          What equipment is due to the hillock? And spare parts. And raw materials. You will come to one thing - either sanctions, or more expensive imports.

          You are simply not in the subject of the question .. Nobody prohibits so far .. to buy seeds, equipment and others abroad .. as they bought, they buy .. So far, personal sanctions have been imposed mainly on the military industry .. Well, this is for now .. But shouted loudly about nonsense .. wassat
          So teach materiel ..
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 1 February 2021 21: 04
      +5
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      The state, having decided to help its citizens, raises salaries, pensions, etc., and then the manufacturer, whatever it may be, raises prices. And this competition is endless. Capitalism, what can I say.

      There is no need to blame everything on capitalism. The FAS in our country absolutely does not fulfill its role, while in Europe it is an economic analogue of the KGB. If someone unreasonably raises the price of goods, such fines will be soldered there that you can go broke. And in our country only the president will threaten his finger, that's all.
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 1 February 2021 21: 23
        -2
        Quote: Ingvar 72

        There is no need to blame everything on capitalism. The FAS in our country absolutely does not fulfill its role, while in Europe it is an economic analogue of the KGB. If someone unreasonably raises the price of goods, such fines will be soldered there that

        Are you saying that the FAS is working very effectively and therefore there is no inflation in Europe? laughing
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 1 February 2021 21: 35
          +3
          I claim that our FAS does not work at all, it only gets money in vain. Salary.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 1 February 2021 21: 40
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I claim that our FAS does not work at all, it only gets money in vain. Salary.

            You said -
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            whereas in Europe it is the economic analogue of the KGB.

            And I asked a question about Europe. Does the European analogue of our FAS and the analogue of the Soviet KGB work effectively and therefore there is no inflation in the EU? So?
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 1 February 2021 22: 22
              +5
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              And I asked a question about Europe. Does the European analogue of our FAS and the analogue of the Soviet KGB work effectively and therefore there is no inflation in the EU? So?

              Are you sober?
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 2 February 2021 09: 49
                -1
                Quote: Svarog
                Are you sober?

                Not. Drunk on words -
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                , whereas in Europe it is the economic analogue of the KGB. If someone unreasonably raises the price of goods, such fines will be soldered there that you can go broke.
                - and therefore, if you continue the logical chain, there is no inflation?
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 00: 21
              +3
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Does the European analogue of our FAS and the analogue of the Soviet KGB work effectively and therefore there is no inflation in the EU? So?

              Why are you getting into the bottle? Did I say that there is no inflation in the EU? Yes, but ask about the percentages. And part of the credit for this is the FAS EU.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 2 February 2021 09: 58
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Did I say that there is no inflation in the EU?

                This is exactly how I understood you - there is no inflation because everyone is afraid of exorbitant fines from the analogue of the KGB.
                I misunderstood because you expressed yourself somewhat inaccurately.
                I believe that the misunderstanding has been settled. hi
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I claim that our FAS does not work at all, it only gets money in vain. Salary.

                And here I unconditionally agree with you. good
  • Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk 1 February 2021 20: 47
    -1
    chicken drumstick store owner bought before the New Year at 180 rubles per kilogram, now - at 250. Growth - 39%!

    Nonsense. Today I was in the Perekrestok store (average pricing policy), chilled chicken drumstick prepackaged retail price ranges from 199 to 229 rubles. Weighed goods for 179 rubles. hi
    1. your1970
      your1970 7 February 2021 12: 11
      0
      chicken drumstick for 152 rubles, breasts for 180 - took it yesterday, NOT a network, a regular store
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 February 2021 20: 56
    +6
    For some reason I can't leave a comment on the article. Therefore, I am writing a commentary on a commentary, implying that it is for an article.
    So everyone is discussing the shortage of goods. It is, of course, understandable, but how else in a consumer society. But now there is a lack of conscience, culture, patriotism. Real patriotism. false patriotism, where they ridicule Ukrainians, Poles, Americans. True patriotism, the one where they are proud of their homeland.
    Here Skomorokhov wrote two articles about films showing our history in a black light. But here it is clear that we are talking about a lack of respect for ancestors.
  • pmkemcity
    pmkemcity 2 February 2021 10: 08
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    Food prices increased by an average of 30%.

    A shortage is possible only for cheap goods.
  • zenion
    zenion 4 February 2021 14: 34
    0
    Svarog (Vladimir). (The flu virus has grown very much in the whole world, three four. The disease is spreading, growing. If the sickly one - right into the coffin ...) How Vladimir Vysotsky foresaw everything.
  • Rose capone
    Rose capone 1 February 2021 15: 09
    +7
    Such prime ministers sat and sit, in charge of the economy, prices .... One economic genius, Medvedev is worth something. Expensive.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 1 February 2021 15: 13
      +8
      Quote: Rosa Capone
      One economic genius, Medvedev is worth something. Expensive.

      Oh, if he was there alone, and so ...
  • YOUR
    YOUR 1 February 2021 15: 10
    +8
    Yeah, come in cheaper. For some reason, there was no gasoline in the Far East, practically from the word at all. They sculpt all sorts of excuses. At small gas stations, the cost of the 92nd and 95th soared from 3 to 5 rubles. New Year's gifts.
    1. t-12
      t-12 1 February 2021 16: 01
      0
      The oil is slowly running out. In 30 years, gasoline will become a luxury commodity.
      1. nsm1
        nsm1 1 February 2021 16: 42
        +4
        In 30 years nobody will need it, electric cars ...
        1. t-12
          t-12 1 February 2021 17: 25
          +2
          There won't be enough electricity for as many electric vehicles. And it's not convenient to store electricity. With gasoline, everything is simple: I filled up the tank and here is the stock.

          So in 30 years people will be walking and cycling. And all gasoline will go to the most important consumers: the army, police, ambulance, grain harvesters.
          1. nsm1
            nsm1 1 February 2021 17: 33
            +1
            Enough or not is not important.
            What is important is that the efficiency of the station always higher than the internal combustion engine and much.
            Those. the cost of charging is always lower, even when the station is running on fossil fuels.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 1 February 2021 19: 30
              0
              In Russia, there will be enough electricity for nuclear power plants and all other power generating capacities are being built, but oil in 30 years will definitely not run out.
              1. nsm1
                nsm1 1 February 2021 19: 32
                0
                By itself! wink
                They have been mining in Chechnya for 100 years and it’s not over.
            2. clerk
              clerk 1 February 2021 20: 20
              -1
              Rake up the batteries of electric vehicles to be disposed of. No efficiency will please
      2. clerk
        clerk 1 February 2021 16: 51
        -2
        All this has already been read in the late 90s
        1. t-12
          t-12 1 February 2021 17: 17
          +2
          A small mistake in timing, which fundamentally changes nothing.
          1. clerk
            clerk 1 February 2021 18: 55
            -2
            And so many years in a row - one and the same negative forecast and crawl back with your knees - sorry, like, again, the timing was wrong.
            1. t-12
              t-12 1 February 2021 19: 41
              +2
              Do you think oil is endless? And I believe that if the US and Canada are engaged in expensive shale deposits, then there are no more "conventional" deposits.

              The rest is a matter of numbers. Maybe it will be possible to discover some more oil reserves, then the catastrophe will soften a little, stretch in time.
              1. clerk
                clerk 1 February 2021 20: 19
                -4
                That’s why the United States is ready to go to war to sell its hydrocarbons to Europe. Apparently from the upcoming deficit.
                1. t-12
                  t-12 1 February 2021 22: 39
                  +1
                  You know, on Easter Island, too, they enthusiastically cut down the forest until the trees ran out. And surely the local inhabitants had several "fools" who drew the attention of the "wise men" to the fact that the forest for some reason is decreasing.
                  1. clerk
                    clerk 1 February 2021 22: 53
                    -2
                    Do you want to compare the area of ​​forests on the planet at the time of deforestation on Easter Island with the present?
      3. YOUR
        YOUR 2 February 2021 13: 57
        0
        There is for sale
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 1 February 2021 15: 10
    +14
    Loans "for macaroshki" and "not to reach out" should become more accessible to the population and this is the primary task of the government of one of the richest countries in the world in terms of natural resources!
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 1 February 2021 15: 16
      +17
      Quote: From Tomsk
      Loans "for macaroshki" and "not to reach out" should become more accessible to the population and this is the primary task of the government of one of the richest countries in the world in terms of natural resources!

      The main thing is stability! And the rallies come out in bulk, visitors from Ukraine and paid agents of the State Department)))))))))
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 February 2021 15: 12
    +13
    Under socialism, there is a deficit. Under capitalism ... again a deficit. I have a question for the chairman of the meeting. Why did you change one thing for another, if there is no difference?
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 1 February 2021 15: 22
      +10
      Quote: sergo1914
      Under socialism, there is a deficit. Under capitalism ... again a deficit.

      Moreover, the organizers of this are sometimes the same people.
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm 1 February 2021 16: 44
      0
      Quote: sergo1914
      Under socialism, there is a deficit. Under capitalism ... again a deficit.

      IMHO, because there was not quite socialism, but now it is peripheral raw-material comprador undercapitalism. For the sake of fairness, those who are considered developed also now have not sickly problems. But, it seems to me, everything is not so sad.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 February 2021 19: 32
      -4
      You see a shortage of goods or food - if not, then what to say about it.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 1 February 2021 21: 44
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        You see a shortage of goods or food - if not, then what to say about it.


        Believe it or not. I see. The assortment matrix of hyper products has sharply decreased. There were 10-15 sentences in appearance. Now - no more than 5. The size of the shelves by category, with the remaining faceting, has decreased. the choice has become smaller. Fewer manufacturers means less competition. And hello price collusion. And so it happened. Do you see the rise in prices? Moreover, growth with a decrease in the volume and weight of the package. Oil 180 instead of 200. And there are a lot of such examples.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 February 2021 17: 03
          -4
          The assortment as it was and remained, nothing has changed, at least with us. Products can also be ordered online.
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 2 February 2021 17: 47
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            The assortment as it was and remained, nothing has changed, at least with us. Products can also be ordered online.


            I only order coffee beans on the Internet. Italian roasted Kenyan Arabica. Ours don't know how to roast coffee. And the Germans too.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 1 February 2021 15: 12
    +1
    What are your prices for chicken drumsticks?) We have frozen 134 rubles. Chilled 200) retail))) on the Far East)
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 1 February 2021 15: 20
      +6
      In a village, a settlement is always more expensive, even in a "coin".
    2. sergo1914
      sergo1914 1 February 2021 15: 31
      +4
      Quote: carstorm 11
      What are your prices for chicken drumsticks?) We have frozen 134 rubles. Chilled 200) retail))) on the Far East)


      You there on the Far East navaga or pollock are sold under the guise of chicken.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 1 February 2021 16: 17
        -3
        Not) navaga fresh catch of her bunch. It costs little. And the pollock, I really don't know how much) is chilled at 250, all the shops are filled up.
        1. clerk
          clerk 1 February 2021 16: 58
          -6
          You are more careful with the facts, otherwise these crying for the doshirak will break the pattern
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 1 February 2021 16: 31
        +3
        or crab legs
    3. nsm1
      nsm1 1 February 2021 17: 25
      -1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Chilled 200) retail
      Now I specifically looked - the cheapest in the "coin", namely the shins, 219,90 rubles
      The rest is more expensive.
    4. Timeout
      Timeout 2 February 2021 08: 42
      +1
      Quote: carstorm 11
      What are your prices for chicken drumsticks?) We have frozen 134 rubles. Chilled 200) retail))) on the Far East)

      Yeah, Dmitry ... In the course you count Khabaru for the whole Far East. Here are the prices in Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk:



      And even the local "Ostrovnaya" is more expensive than from the mainland, allegedly "chilled" and the prices are not per kilogram.
      Before the new year, prices were 20-35% lower.
      The prices of Kamchatka, Magadan and the Kuriles are generally worth a separate article.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 2 February 2021 11: 00
        -3
        I did not speak for the whole Far East) I just brought an example from there), of course, it is more expensive there. It has always been that way. At least in my experience of visiting those places.
        1. your1970
          your1970 7 February 2021 12: 15
          0
          those places even in the ussr - went at prices of 3 belts with a decent margin
  • yehat2
    yehat2 1 February 2021 15: 17
    +15
    there is no real control of food prices in fact. They are growing, far outstripping official inflation.
    In 2 years I began to leave 60% more in stores for the same.
    But the decline in quality continues. For example, high prices for canned natural peas have practically pushed them out of convenience stores, leaving only the nasty reconditioned one. Roughly the same thing happens with pasta, sausages, cheeses and a number of other products. It has become simply unrealistic to find edible sausages. And the population eats exactly what is in such stores, miracles do not happen.
    I remember how not long ago I bought a doshirak for 18 rubles. Now it costs 45 and this is not at all the delicious preshirak that I met in the 90s, but some kind of sucks. In other words, it is better not to eat this at all, but, as a price indicator, clearly.
    1. clerk
      clerk 1 February 2021 16: 32
      -5
      6 years ago, boneless beef on the market cost 450 rubles, now 550. Growth by 23% in 6 years.
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 1 February 2021 16: 35
        +6
        I eat 2 kg of beef a month - I mainly cook soup. I hardly notice the difference between 200 and 800.
        and the main costs are all fresh greens, chicken and fish, dairy products.
        For example, cottage cheese cost 33, now 82.
        1. clerk
          clerk 1 February 2021 16: 54
          -2
          For what period are you comparing the price of cottage cheese?
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 1 February 2021 16: 58
            +4
            Quote: clerk
            For what period do you compare the price of cottage cheese?

            2 years since for a short period inflation is too imprecise and poorly understood.
            Well, cottage cheese is more of a taste, I just gave it as an example. I have been eating the same brand for 10 years.
            1. clerk
              clerk 1 February 2021 17: 02
              -8
              For 2 years the cottage cheese has risen in price by more than 2,5 times? Obvious and clumsy zvizdezh. On the strength of 15 percent
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 1 February 2021 17: 11
                +4
                to be rude, go to the forest, preferably to a bear.
                1. clerk
                  clerk 1 February 2021 17: 47
                  -5
                  Clumsy lies are also a kind of rudeness.
        2. Svarog
          Svarog 1 February 2021 17: 06
          +5
          Quote: yehat2
          For example, cottage cheese cost 33, now 82

          Oil 70, now 120 rubles.
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 1 February 2021 17: 12
            +3
            Well, on the contrary, the difference is small for me. cost 80, now 120-130.
            Kefir has grown a little.
          2. clerk
            clerk 1 February 2021 20: 12
            -4
            And with the late-stagnant USSR, it cost 3,62 per 200 g pack. With a good salary, 200 rubles. a Soviet citizen could afford 60 packs of butter a month. How many 120 rubles packs of butter can a person with a net salary of 20 thousand a month buy?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 1 February 2021 20: 54
              +5
              Quote: clerk
              And with the late-stagnant USSR, it cost 3,62 per 200 g pack.

              This is already in the 90s. In the 80s, a kilogram of cheese cost about 3 rubles, as well as butter.
              1. clerk
                clerk 2 February 2021 10: 34
                -3
                But in the early 80s, salaries were also lower. Well so be it. If by butter, then the Soviet 180 ruble salary corresponded to 60 kg of oil (which still needed to be found on sale). Now If you take large packs not for shares, then the price of 1 kg will be approx. 600 rubles. That is, on butter, Soviet 180 rubles correspond to the current 36 thousand. And the current 24 thousand Soviet 120 rubles.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 11: 32
                  +4
                  Quote: clerk
                  And the current 24 thousand Soviet 120 rubles.

                  You do not count the sum of expenses then and now. Rent, payment for kindergarten, school, medicine, circles and sections. This I mean that with the illusory comparability of food prices, the average person can afford much less than in the 80s.
                  1. clerk
                    clerk 2 February 2021 12: 58
                    -3
                    I cannot agree. Payment for an apartment at a ratio of 1: 200 is now, as it were, not significantly less. I don't remember kindergartens then. Clothes and equipment are now cheaper. Extortions at school - yes, then they were not. There are still enough free or with a symbolic payment of circles, another thing is that the parents have less time left for this (take away, bring). The main problem is that now living standards have increased and those who nod to the USSR do not really want to return to the USSR, but yearn for their youth, when the water was wetter, sugar is sweeter (the EMNP under the USSR cost 78 kopecks / kg, or about 150 rubles . at current prices), and the women are younger.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 14: 02
                      +2
                      Quote: clerk
                      and the women are younger.

                      By itself. laughing
                      But you are again engaged in sidetracking and focusing on the little things - after all the payments for the groceries, there is much less now than then. In this scheme, you absolutely do not include the cost of purchasing a home, a mortgage, talking about free circles, which either do not exist, or this is a macrame circle.
                      Understand, the cost of living is now several times higher, and this is if you do not get sick.
                      1. clerk
                        clerk 2 February 2021 14: 21
                        -3
                        1) In terms of butter prices, today's 24 thousand correspond to the stagnant Soviet 120. For sausage and bread, rent and clothing with average quality shoes and cars - Soviet 240, For sugar and vodka - Soviet 360. What can "be less" now? 2) There were no mortgages then, but there were cooperatives - the ratio with the current prices in the average regional center is 1: 100. That is, for housing (including property) the current 24 thousand corresponds to the Soviet 240. There are free circles, but you have to look for them - there are no advertisements on every corner. The year before last, our city Palace of Pioneers (I don’t remember what it’s called now) held an advertising day - circles are like dirt, I don’t want to sign up. The prices are somewhat symbolic. 4) In medicine, yes, but with the amendment it is as free as it was then - it is inexpensive now.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 14: 55
                        +5
                        Quote: clerk
                        That there "can be less now"

                        Again, you are trying to put a good face on a bad game.
                        Once again I am telling you that after cumulative payments there is less money for food than during the USSR. And that's a fact. I'm talking about a mortgage, you are talking about cooperative apartments. But this is nonsense, the bulk of the apartment received free of charge, now everyone is buying.
                        And please don't lie about the availability and freeness of the sections - I have five children. And I know that there are no free sections, and those that are free are purely declarative. About the same as "free" medicine and education.
                      3. clerk
                        clerk 2 February 2021 15: 31
                        -3
                        1) You could barely feed five children in the Soviet stagnation period for one ordinary salary (say, 200 rubles) and dress them very modestly. 2) Apartments were received free of charge. But the duration of the waiting strongly depended on the place of work - it was possible to wait for 15 years. 3) You need to talk specifically about the sections - which sections are you paying for now?
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 17: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: clerk
                        Five children in Soviet stagnant times for one ordinary salary (let's say 200 rubles)

                        Fertility statistics say the opposite. As well as the standard of living, the availability of medicine and education.
                        Quote: clerk
                        it was possible to wait 15 years.

                        And you could get it in six months. Now you have to pay for this expectation, and a third of the salary.
                        Sections - not for any. Expensive. Took my middle daughter to ballet school five years ago -1500+ costumes. More expensive now.
                        But again you wiggle aside - the section is one of the many paid services that were previously free.
                      5. clerk
                        clerk 2 February 2021 18: 43
                        -3
                        The birth rate statistics in this matter is not an indicator, since it takes into account women who do not give birth not for economic reasons. (Health, career, ideology, failed personal life). There are significantly more of them now than then. But then there were very few really large families in the RSFSR and a family with 5 non-working children could live on 200 rubles. it was very difficult - in fact, "on macaros". To do this, if you fully eat from the store / market and not save much on other expenses, you need at least 100 thousand for good. at current prices.
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 19: 05
                        +3
                        Again you are in the wild. I mean that in terms of the aggregate costs under the Union it was cheaper to live, you are trying to lead me into a discussion of particulars. I understand that there is such a technique in the psychology of dialogue, but it does not affect the truth, and only can help make a right person feel wrong. By the way, such things don't work with me. Read.
                        Next is the topic of product quality, which should also be considered in the context of the cost of living. Now it has dropped significantly, and greatly affects health and life expectancy.
                        Quote: clerk
                        Apartments in six months? This is only if you are the son of the First Secretary of the Regional Committee or have gone to the construction site to hell with the horns.

                        Not true. My mother got an apartment after a year at a factory. Although I also know people who have been waiting for a three-room apartment for 10 years. But at the same time, they lived in a free one-room apartment, and refused a two-room apartment, expecting three rubles. Perhaps someone waited longer, but I repeat, now the alternative is mortgage bondage.
                      7. clerk
                        clerk 2 February 2021 20: 45
                        -1
                        1) If you take your own conviction as the truth, then you are right. If you look at the essence, then your arguments sound approximately like those of Rezun's apologists ("even if he is mistaken in all (!) Particulars (lies, distorts), but basically he is right"). In everything, except for buying a home and three clubs at the same time, it is now cheaper to live. With regards to apartments in a year, it may have been so in monotowns, but in ordinary regional centers in organizations that did not have their own fund or building capacities, they waited 10-15, or even 20 years. Let me remind you that we are considering the current salary of 24 thousand.
                      8. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 22: 22
                        -1
                        Quote: clerk
                        living is cheaper now.

                        24 thousand rubles wage - 5 thousand rubles housing and communal services - 8 tr. mortgage - 5t.r. school / kindergarten for two children - cheaper? belay
                        Quote: clerk
                        That is, I agree about chemistry, but this does not affect life expectancy.

                        Ie in Europe just banned palm oil?
                        Quote: clerk
                        The ballet school is a delight.

                        Ask how much it costs now to send a child to sambo or boxing. About the aircraft model generally keep quiet.
                        Quote: clerk
                        Stupidly began to drink less + modern medicines.

                        They began to drink more. They drink five-liter vodka, drink moonshine, which are not included in the official statistics. And drugs are not a panacea.
                      9. clerk
                        clerk 2 February 2021 22: 58
                        +1
                        1) The current 24 thousand - this is 120 Soviet milk - a novice engineer after university. He is up to a mortgage and two children-shkodniks - to plow and plow. And by the age of 30-35, a man in the USSR (if he is not completely worthless) received 180-200. 2) When was it banned if in Germany life expectancy 75/81 is more than 20 years? 3) If in a purely commercial, then the year before last 400 rubles / class. 3200 per month. True, you can pay for each (i.e. you don't pay for passes). 4) I disagree categorically. It's not about alcohol sales statistics, but about life expectancy. The working people began to drink several times less, the youth too (I compare it with my youth). Actually, this can be seen in the dynamics of the life expectancy of men - an anti-alcohol company in the second half of the 80s and the last decade.
                      10. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 3 February 2021 09: 13
                        0
                        They began to drink more. They drink five-liter vodka, drink moonshine, which are not included in the official statistics.

                        if they do not, then where did the data come from that they drink more, and even more so what kind of alcohol, and even with the exact displacement? Again, are you trying to pass off statements from the ceiling as a pure moment? laughing "they began to drink more" - compared to what period? How much in% or decalitres? How did you get data on the use of moonshine? Did you visit your apartments? or on your own experience? At least describe the technique, but it was always interesting what you are guided by when writing such nonsense.
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                      13. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 3 February 2021 10: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        that your mother sells moonshine

                        You would not open your mouth in relation to my mother, you are a young boy.
                      14. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 3 February 2021 10: 31
                        +1
                        You would not open your mouth in relation to my mother, you are a young boy.

                        Well, first of all, who first started to be rude is still to be seen. Apparently, your memory is like an aquarium fish. Read your first answer to me more closely - maybe you will understand it. If you don’t understand - well, then I was not mistaken about you.
                        secondly, you wrote about your mother first, not me. So there was nothing to weave it into the statistics of alcohol consumption. Who, in principle, is interested in the problems in your family?
                        thirdly, the mother is a tradeswoman, the drunks are neighbors .... well, I never saw any sane arguments for statistics. Something I have not heard that Gallup Media uses such a tool as polling neighbors and drinking companions wassat
                      15. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 3 February 2021 10: 50
                        +1
                        Yes, the Internet is convenient for all sorts of bastards who can get nasty, and they won't get anything for it. And in the eyes they will not be able to say two words.
                      16. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 3 February 2021 11: 01
                        +1
                        Yes, the Internet is convenient for all sorts of bastards who can get nasty, and they won't get anything for it. And in the eyes they will not be able to say two words.

                        self-critical, for once you write the truth. But your repentance is not interesting to me. Let's return to the statistics about the growth in alcohol consumption in Russia. As I understand it, apart from examples of social bottom from personal life, there will be no more arguments?
                        This is how it is always with you, all the scattered people. You know how to grind with your tongue, beautifully, loudly). And as you squeeze you a little bit, they fell down laughing
          3. your1970
            your1970 7 February 2021 12: 37
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Ie in Europe just banned palm oil?

            maybe they banned it in vain? we ate over there and nothing ...





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            GOST 240-85
            Group H61
            STATE STANDARD OF THE UNION SSR

            MARGARINE

            General specifications
            2.2. The following raw materials are used for the production of margarine:
            ..............................
            coconut oil according to GOST 10766;
            palm oil and other edible vegetable oils suitable after processing for the production of margarine;
            cotton palmitin;
            palm stearin;
            unrefined salomas for the margarine industry;
            refined deodorized salomas for the margarine industry;
            interesterified fat;
            .........
            Notes:
            1. For margarines “Creamy”, “Milk”, “Era”, “New”, “Rainbow”, “Solnechny”, as well as “Dairy-free”, the melting temperature of fat isolated from margarine is allowed up to 35 ° C in the case of using formulations that include palm oil and palm stearin and salomas using palm oil, as well as for the period from May to September in Central Asia and the Caucasus for the same margarines.

            Have you seen any other margarine in packs besides them in the stores of the USSR? I have not ...
          4. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 February 2021 13: 11
            +3
            And why did you insert these tables for me?
            At first -
            The harm of trans fats was found out already in the 90s, the palm tree was banned in Europe already in the 2000s.
            Under the Soviet Union, they did not really know about the harm.
            Secondly, even in your tables, the import of palm oil into the USSR was ten times less than it is now, and the population was much larger. Compare this data.
          5. your1970
            your1970 7 February 2021 20: 36
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            even in your tables, the import of palm oil into the USSR was ten times less than it is now, and the population was much larger.
            - only this margarine ("Creamy", "Milk", "Era", "New", "Rainbow", "Solnechny") cost a penny and was never in short supply - unlike butter. That is, she ate it part of the population - which either had small incomes or did not have a crony in trade or lived in the city (the villagers did not eat margarines) ...
            In fact - the same people - as now with a salary of 10-12 thousand
            ZY well, the whole polls the Soviet army
          6. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 February 2021 22: 09
            +3
            Quote: your1970
            That is, that part of the population ate it

            Nobody ate it, they made pastries. My mother and I lived very modestly, but we didn't put margarine on our bread. Never. Mother baked cookies sometimes.
            But in the Soviet Army they didn't give us margarine, there was butter. I don't know where you saw margarine in the army. For all 2 years I have never seen.
          7. your1970
            your1970 8 February 2021 07: 44
            -1
            They smeared and baked and made all the pastry ... Roses on cakes, sand rings and cream in eclairs (not Moscow ones !!) - have you forgotten?
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            ... I don't know where you saw margarine in the army. For all 2 years I have never seen.

            It's not just that I inserted pictures and tables for you, not for beauty ... Well, read your opponent at least a little ...
            Have you ever seen margarine in the army? I believe !!! But three times a day they ate cooked on combi fat- for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
            And if you went to the outfit in the dining room, then remember the drips in the bathrooms, where they washed the dishes after the first (all sorts of borscht) - Orange icicles without smell, color and taste.
            This was an almost pure palm tree army fats...
            It was a shaft - it was not edible and therefore it was not even stolen.
            Probably this is the only food product that was not stolen in the CA
          8. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 February 2021 13: 20
            +2
            We now have the whole dispute comes down to personal experience. Army, smeared, not smeared. Now let's get back to the objective data - the amount of imported oil per capita. This is much easier to verify.
            Under the Soviet Union, there was at least 10 times of palm oil per capita. It is a fact.
            The next moment - as I said, the dangers of trans fats were not known in the Soviet Union. Now we know about it. And against the background of this, the cynicism of the defenders of import and the absurdity of references to the USSR is striking.
          9. your1970
            your1970 8 February 2021 15: 05
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Under the Soviet Union, per capita there were at least 10 times palm oil. It is a fact.

            - this NOT fact .. Fact is about 6 times
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            the dangers of trans fats in the Soviet Union were not known.
            So what? Did they become more useful from this? The male half of the USSR ate in the army for 2 years, it's a fact. How it affected the health of the nation is unknown. It may well be that all current allergies are precisely because of this, for example ... Or cores ...

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Our whole dispute now comes down to personal experience.

            Why would it suddenly ??! I brought you GOSTs of the USSR - not THAT poor current ...
            Obligatory documents in the production - for the evasion of which the crime luminary ..
            Do you want me to find GOSTs for confectionery, bakery and other food? Where to find mixed fats / hydro fats / salomas and others SUBSTITUTES animal natural fats?

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            striking is the cynicism of the defenders of import and the absurdity of references to the USSR.
            and this is called "sticking a label" ... Trotskyists, utopians, the left deviation, the right deviation, and so on, so forth, so forth ...
            Only such lovers of gluing labels have profiled the USSR. Because they closed their eyes with pens and said, "This is nothing !!! Since we do not see it !!!"
            And this led to the fact that mistakes were not coped and were stupidly hushed up ...
            And then bam - and everything turned out to be and the USSR is not ... Surprise, yeah ...
            Therefore, the country did not defend the USSR - too many balabols were broadcasting from the stands ... The people saw the shoals and saw that no one wanted to fix them, it’s more convenient to dump them on bad weather, than to explain why the whole potato crop was thrown in the field or why the people were bread feeds pigs ...
          10. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 8 February 2021 19: 02
            +3
            Quote: your1970
            this is NOT a fact .. Fact is about 6 times

            At the moments of the maximum import of palm trees to the USSR, the indicators were 7 (!) Times less, and moreover, then they did not know about the harm. Now they know.
            In the army - we did not have overalls. I saw beef fat, pork fat, sunflower oil, cottonseed oil, and that's it. He served in Nizhny Tagil, then in Kazakhstan, 90-92.
            For allergy sufferers and heart disease - you may be right. But I repeat, then they did not know about the harm, now they do. There was no intent before.
            And I never said that it was perfect under the Soviet Union, there were enough stocks. But people lived better. And taking into account the fact that progress does not stand still, and 30 years have passed, people should now live better, not worse.
          11. your1970
            your1970 8 February 2021 23: 14
            -1
            1)
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            at least 10 times

            Quote: Ingvar 72
            7 (!) Times

            The formula "Minimum in .." implies significantly большие numbers. But we agreed with you on the order of numbers
            2) by 1992, deliveries had already slowed down and the army began to dramatically deteriorate ..
            In 1988, the combi in the SA was a shaft both in Gorky and in Kushka and in Afghanistan (it was not, but participated in the withdrawal)
            3) we lived better about it, it is quite controversial. The fact that it would end and soon enough was already predicted then. A state cannot exist for a long time - where human and natural resources are stupidly scattered (by the way, this also applies to the Russian Federation) ..
            The metal thrown in the fields by collective farmers for 30 years (half of the existence of the USSR !!) is being harvested - but it never ends .. Gasoline in the ravines at the end of the block, bread for pigs, locomotives on the dead road and further, further, further ...
            1960-e...
            The military drove along the railway, stopped at a small station .. "Grandfather, we have a problem here. We cannot carry the cargo any further, we are going to the exercises. We will unload you in the shed, will you watch out, okay? Here is a box of stewed meat, we will return two more!" ". The neighbors were jealous - freebie ...
            The man died in 1981 - the heirs (my distant relatives) went to see - what is in the barns? belay belay
            At 50 meters from the tracks, there was 9 tons of TNT in a factory container .... It would have exploded - nothing would have remained from the station ..
            Where are those military ????
            But this is an example of universal indifference.

            And about better - I have already given an example with Chinese sneakers. To buy which I had to hand over 100 kg of oil to the district poo, then buy them, and then for another month in two neighboring districts to look for someone who got the size 45 and change them to the size 43 I got ...
          12. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 9 February 2021 13: 34
            +2
            Let's subtract our latent dialogue.
            Do you recognize the harm and danger of trans fats (in particular palm oil) for the body?
            Do you justify the inaction of the authorities with an ever-increasing import?
            Just two questions. wink
          13. your1970
            your1970 9 February 2021 19: 14
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Just two questions.
            my answer to them for you categorically will not like it.
            So.....
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Do you recognize the harm and danger of trans fats (in particular palm oil) for the body?
            - yes, I admit.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Do you justify the inaction of the authorities with an ever-increasing import?

            Not! I do not justify the inaction of the authorities of both the USSR and the Russian Federation. At the same time, I think that the harm caused by the palm tree to the population during the USSR is at least equal to the harm of the present. Just because this product was used about 1,5 times in the USSR for a longer time, albeit in smaller volumes.
            The palm tree did not become less harmful because the USSR did not know about its harm.
            Whether you are satisfied with my answer or not is my position on this issue
          14. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 9 February 2021 19: 20
            +2
            Quote: your1970
            I do not justify the inaction of the authorities of both the USSR and the Russian Federation. At the same time, I think that the harm caused by the palm tree to the population during the USSR is at least equal to the harm of the present.

            You are wrong. Palm oil, in my opinion, began to be imported into the USSR in the 60s, until 1990 it is a maximum of 30 years. Again, no harm was known.
            30 years have passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union, imports have grown exponentially, and today we know about the harm.
            So don't compare.
          15. your1970
            your1970 9 February 2021 19: 45
            -1
            Margarines of all stripes, such as "Rama", began to be imported not earlier than 1995. Bulk on sale by 1997.
            But that's not the point..
            Let for 30 years, let ...
            You are offering -
            - here the power of the people, she hounded, but did not know
            - here the power is anti-people, she hounded and knew ...
            The first is good for you, the second is bad. I don't see the difference between them in this matter - they hounded BOTH...
            Only here the average diabetic / heart / allergy sufferer what power awarded him with a sore - from which he will die
            Diabetes massively went to the people in the 70s, if anything, and I would not be surprised if this is a palm trace
          16. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 9 February 2021 19: 51
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            The first is good for you, the second is bad

            Not in this case. The fact is that there is no movement towards a ban on the import of palm oil by the authorities, despite the fact that it is harmful. And Rospotrebnadzor turns a blind eye to this.
            I agree with sores, but there is a nuance here - it is one thing to harm through ignorance, negligence, and another thing deliberately. Even the Criminal Code shares these moments of harm.
          17. your1970
            your1970 9 February 2021 23: 03
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            it is one thing to do harm out of ignorance, negligence, and another thing deliberately

            Good idea ... Let's make the situation more harsh - they feed not a palm tree, but cyanide. The USSR does not know, the Russian Federation knows ... Yes, for the Criminal Code - the Russian Federation had intent to kill - the USSR killed by accident.
            But for a citizen, what difference does it make to him - was he killed by ignorance or by knowledge?

            Z. Y. In general, in my opinion, the problem with the palm tree maybe just sucked out of my finger ...
            Stupidly manufacturers of butter and animal fats started their throats- that's the palm tree and hurt sharply.
            Again, the USSR - where everyone was fed that palm tree - was scrupulous enough in terms of the health of citizens. ............
            Slippery and not fully defined situation. Justified by the USSR - justified by the Russian Federation, accused by the Russian Federation - automatically goes to the trailer of the USSR
  • clerk
    clerk 2 February 2021 21: 21
    -1
    About the quality of the products. I am not supporters of the theory that now "the products are solid - chemistry, which makes people die like flies." That is, I agree about chemistry, but this does not affect life expectancy: 1980 (m / f) - 61,4 / 73, 1990- 64.8 / 74, 2018 -, 67/77. Stupidly began to drink less + modern medicines.
  • clerk
    clerk 2 February 2021 18: 46
    -1
    The ballet school is a delight. Free - ballet school. Apartments in six months? This is only if you are the son of the First Secretary of the Regional Committee or have gone to the construction site to hell with the horns.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 1 February 2021 21: 39
    +6
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: yehat2
    For example, cottage cheese cost 33, now 82

    Oil 70, now 120 rubles.


    It was 200 grams, now 180. So the rise in prices is a little more. There is almost no milk in the litter box. Beer instead of 0,5 - 0,45, etc. Marketing s.
    1. clerk
      clerk 2 February 2021 10: 39
      -2
      Yes, it is clear that food prices are growing in line with the emission of money - by 10% per year. But the shameless lie about a 30% rise in price per year or 2,5 times in 2 years is nothing but regret.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 11: 34
        0
        Quote: clerk
        But a shameless lie about a 30% rise in price per year or 2,5 times

        But what about the official lies, about four percent inflation? wink
        1. clerk
          clerk 2 February 2021 13: 08
          -1
          No way. They take a wide range of goods and services and calculate the average value (if roughly - the sausage is added up with pants, rent, communications, etc.). And the common man looks only at the goods of daily demand and compares only with the previous remembered price. And the fact that before that the price had not changed for three-four-five years - he no longer remembers. It was not for nothing that I asked one character - in how many years the price increased by 30% (there was no answer). Another suffered a blizzard about a 2,5-fold increase in the price of cottage cheese in the last 2 years (in real life, the price of cottage cheese has grown by 60% in 5 years, and quite smoothly).
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 13: 48
            +4
            Quote: clerk
            (in real life, the price of cottage cheese has grown by 60% in 5 years, and quite smoothly).

            Already more than 10% per year. Gasoline, other products, and many other groups of goods also rose in price several times higher than the official inflation. You cannot deny it.
            1. clerk
              clerk 2 February 2021 14: 04
              -1
              If by official we mean 4,9%, then I don't argue with that. If we take the growth of the money supply (although the velocity of money circulation still plays a role there), then about 10% per year is. Again, it is advisable to look at the dynamics for at least 2-3 years. The same milk has risen in price by 60% in 5 years, fresh meat by 25%, sausages by 30-40%. Where the tie for imports is higher, prices rise. Again, in large chains there are more often stocks - the same sausages are still being bought at prices of 5 years ago, cottage cheese, sour cream, cheese - at prices 2-3 years ago. The only thing it doesn't roll with is excisable goods - gasoline, tobacco, alcohol.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 1 February 2021 17: 10
    +4
    Quote: clerk
    6 years ago, boneless beef on the market cost 450 rubles, now 550. Growth by 23% in 6 years.

    Go to Khabarovsk, there:
    Quote: carstorm 11
    swine chilled by 250 all shops are filled up.
    1. clerk
      clerk 1 February 2021 17: 49
      -1
      Pork is 250-300 everywhere.
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 1 February 2021 16: 49
    +18
    Quote: yehat2
    I remember how not long ago I bought a doshirak for 18 rubles. Now it costs 45 and this is not at all the delicious preshirak that I met in the 90s, but some kind of sucks.

    The President claims that the high dollar rate is beneficial to us.
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 1 February 2021 16: 52
      +6
      the dollar exchange rate has nothing to do with it. used to be Korean noodles made from convenient and delicious Korean rice noodles. And now they sell us a Moscow doshirak with sludge wheat noodles and no less sluggish spices. Those. it's all in rubles.
    2. clerk
      clerk 1 February 2021 16: 56
      -1
      Sure. Otherwise, everyone will rush to eat Doshirak and ruin their stomachs. And this is additional expenses for medicine
    3. Svarog
      Svarog 1 February 2021 17: 08
      +10
      Quote: Stroporez
      The President claims that the high dollar rate is beneficial to us.

      Well, rightly asserts .. he also says "it is profitable for us" .. meaning it is profitable for them .. .. what did you think that by "us" he meant the people? hi
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 1 February 2021 17: 14
        +21
        Quote: Svarog
        Well, rightly asserts .. he also says "it is profitable for us" .. meaning it is profitable for them .. .. what did you think that by "us" he meant the people?

        grandfather kabay loves ambiguity, he has many hidden implications, only his devoted flock does not always understand the meaning of what was said
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  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 1 February 2021 15: 18
    +1
    In the photo of the Libra - Tyumen Weight Plant (evacuated by the way from Kiev), under the dial the inscription Tyumen! I haven't seen them for a long time, I just remembered my Childhood ... still there is not enough juice in the "flasks" recourse
    1. nsm1
      nsm1 1 February 2021 15: 37
      0
      Like other scales ...
      The Tyumen people did not have a round badge.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 1 February 2021 16: 02
      +6
      This first photo is a memo about Gorbachev's perestroika and Yeltsin's "razderban".
      In the USSR in the late 40s - early 50s, there was another topic:



      And I remember my childhood years with coupons for flour, queues and distribution of goods "in one hand". By the way, who is not in the know, initially the release of goods "by pull" meant the purchase through the "back door" (service entrance). I can tell you how it was. The products (a set of products) were wrapped in a paper bag, and the “thugged buyer” came, punched a check at the checkout and took the goods without standing in lines (perhaps even through the counter). Ordinary buyers did not see what was in the package ...
      Today there is a massive mobilization of the type: "Pluck the last time, and there - the grass does not grow." All these deficits, all these price increases occur (as a rule) on the eve of the "big nix".
      I've seen enough of this since childhood. yes
      1. Avior
        Avior 1 February 2021 16: 20
        +8
        From the service entrance they were served according to special lists. For this, there were specially designated stores. Nothing was visible from the outside.
        In the store, the special contingent for service was called "Chinese".
        Mother-in-law once worked in such a grocery store.
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 1 February 2021 16: 46
      +23
      Quote: Hunter 2
      still there is not enough juice in the "flasks"

      Pliz, I have them laughing
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 1 February 2021 17: 17
        -1
        Quote: Stroporez
        Pliz, I have them

        Somehow I recently tried to make a milkshake, but it didn't work out. There is no normal milk, no ice cream.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 1 February 2021 17: 24
          +19
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Somehow I recently tried to make a milkshake, but it didn't work out. There is no normal milk, no ice cream.

          The other day my wife was buying ice cream for the children, I also got used to the cognac, one thing was nothing at all, a "golden mark" in my opinion.
          1. Alf
            Alf 1 February 2021 19: 15
            +4
            Quote: Stroporez
            The other day, my wife bought ice cream for the children, I also joined with brandy,

            Cognac ice cream? Yes, you, my friend, are a refined connoisseur. good
        2. Alf
          Alf 1 February 2021 19: 14
          +7
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          There is no normal milk, no ice cream.

          To you, the "comrade" popularly explained above that milk production is growing day by day, however, he forgot to say that the number of cows is decreasing ..
          1. your1970
            your1970 7 February 2021 12: 45
            0
            Quote: Alf
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            There is no normal milk, no ice cream.

            To you, the "comrade" popularly explained above that milk production is growing day by day, however, he forgot to say that the number of cows is decreasing ..
            - we have less pork from private traders (grain is expensive), beef is about the same amount - as in the USSR, sheep are kept even more than in the USSR
      2. Alf
        Alf 1 February 2021 19: 12
        +5
        Quote: Stroporez
        Pliz, I have them

        Nostalgia, damn it .. Standard 3 types - tomato, apple and birch, and how birch differed from ordinary H2O, I could not understand, apparently, it was too diluted. But then everything is 10 kopecks.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 1 February 2021 19: 27
          +3
          Quote: Alf
          and how birch differed from ordinary H2O, I could not understand

          And I never bought it.
          Quote: Alf
          But then everything is 10 kopecks.

          Tomato cost 11 kopecks, grape - 18, I don't remember the rest.
        2. ivan2022
          ivan2022 2 February 2021 12: 14
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          Nostalgia, pancake .. Standard 3 types - tomato,

          ---

          And it's always like this, damn it! Firstly, there was grape and also plum and pear. So, there are already 6 types and I don't need to lie here, nothing is forgotten.

          But the most important thing for the descendants of the serfs cannot come to mind. We found, damn, a good master at the cost of ruining our country and are happy to .......... The thought that it was necessary to put things in order in our country, to ensure the implementation of laws without intermediaries-billionaires and the export of capital for $ 100 billion per year - they are simply not available!

          And the fact that the "Soviet deficit" at the beginning of 1992 disappeared two weeks after Yeltsin's decree and "Gaidar saved the country from hunger" - and a miracle was shown to the gathering of "white aborigines", almost equal to the biblical - THERE WAS NO GOOD AND SUDDENLY APPEARED "- it's generally only with us.
          In a normal society for such "miracles in the sieve" would simply be put up against the wall.
          1. Alf
            Alf 2 February 2021 20: 10
            +1
            Quote: ivan2022
            And it's always like this, damn it! Firstly, there was grape and also plum and pear.

            Was. But in any store, tomato, birch and apple were considered standard equipment.
  • ALARI
    ALARI 1 February 2021 15: 23
    +4
    MOSCOW, 1 Feb - RIA Novosti. The rise in the cost of transportation by sea may in the near future lead to an increase in prices for some categories of goods, RBC reports with reference to market participants.
    It was 6 years of import substitution. This is another blow to the welfare of citizens and a nail in the coffin for our economy.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 February 2021 19: 39
      -2
      And what kind of goods do you buy overseas and oceans - we have the main suppliers of all goods Europe CIS China Japan 80% percent by land and by air.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 1 February 2021 21: 30
        0
        Oddly enough, the lion's share of goods from China to the European part of Russia goes by sea.
        1. your1970
          your1970 7 February 2021 12: 48
          0
          Quote: ALARI
          Oddly enough, the lion's share of goods from China to the European part of Russia goes by sea.
          -and it's true. Scooters, mopeds and motor-cultivators from China, for example, go exclusively by sea to the European part of the Russian Federation. I've come across this a lot ...
  • Tagan
    Tagan 1 February 2021 15: 28
    -2
    Quote: carstorm 11
    What are your prices for chicken drumsticks?) We have frozen 134 rubles. Chilled 200) retail))) on the Far East)

    A creative concept to make the work even more dramatic.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 1 February 2021 15: 30
    +9
    "at the end of 2020, inflation in Russia was 4,91%"

    Does anyone even believe this?
    1. Alf
      Alf 1 February 2021 19: 17
      +8
      Quote: Van 16
      "at the end of 2020, inflation in Russia was 4,91%"

      Does anyone even believe this?

      True truth. Per month...
  • Rose capone
    Rose capone 1 February 2021 15: 42
    +2
    The terrifying loss of the population is a planned result of the work of the bandit shobla.
    Systematic slaughter is in progress. Golikova, responsible for the growth of demography, does not have time to fly to Europe on business jets. What does it take out (flew 9 times in 2020)?
    1. depressant
      depressant 1 February 2021 16: 52
      +5
      Rosa, realtors say that as many as 175 palaces belonging to the rich have been put up for sale in the Belarusian and Riga directions in the near Moscow region. Almost everything that is built there. Palaces - not as huge in area as the recently discussed, but quite comparable. So, it is not very surprising that Golikova transported the contents of her fur store to a place of permanent deployment abroad. It can be seen that something is brewing. The shortage of food was one of the ways to destroy the USSR. Now this government shobla, pretending to be concerned about it, they say, we are not to blame, objective circumstances, is trying to organize the same in relation to Russia. Looks like the command has been received.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 February 2021 19: 46
        -3
        It does not organize - since only one manufacturer will start to hold on to the product, the competitor will immediately fill the shelves, thereby taking the market, so no one will do this and competition - in the USSR it just did not exist, but there was a planned economy where the customer and the manufacturer are one state and even the lack of money and the lack of opportunities to cover all the demand technically in the 80s.
        1. depressant
          depressant 1 February 2021 20: 59
          +2
          Vadim, I was sure of that too. A year ago. Well, of course, who will miss the profit - however, capitalism! On the contrary, they will bring in, they will overwhelm the shelves. Yes, while there is everything, but prices have moved from their place, really creep up, which means purchasing power is down. And now, in the very center of my village, a small, but good, convenient store is closed. At first, one department was closed - the hostess, who did not pull the production in full, handed it over to the vegetable growers a year ago, and they put on sale all kinds of vegetable and fruit exotic, of which I remembered only artichokes. A month before the new year, the showcase was empty - they didn't pull it. Two weeks after the holiday, the hostess herself began to sell her products for 50% from the almost empty windows. I went in and talked to her. There is catastrophically no revenue. Down with seven jobs. Closed. On the door there is an advertisement for the sale of a store that has been promoted for 20 years at the most accessible place. The Five is behaving strangely. He hands over lemons for sale at a nearby grocery store at 59.90, supposedly a promotion. Why not at home? We have price tags for 200 rubles. The five is empty. There are no people. And even the carts were unhooked, now they are free. And before you want to take, throw 10 rubles into the slot. It is quietly sold out through intermediaries.
          Last year, everything was much worse, the deficit was marked sharply and roughly. But Putin ordered, everything returned to its previous state, but, you see, unpleasant organizational conclusions were made about someone too playful. That is why this year they are trying to organize the deficit neatly, not leaping forward, but in such a way that it appears as if for natural reasons.
    2. Alf
      Alf 1 February 2021 19: 18
      +6
      Quote: Rosa Capone
      Chegoy takes it out (I flew 9 times in 2020)

      I consulted on how C19 could be treated, so much so that retirees would throw away their skates more quickly ..
    3. clerk
      clerk 2 February 2021 16: 04
      -1
      Mortality rate in Russia per 1000 people per year: in 2000 - 15,3; 2010-14,2; 2019-13,0. In 2020, 14,2 is also expected - almost all of the increase due to Covid.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 1 February 2021 15: 46
    +5
    It seems I will be right anyway, predicting coupons and deficits in the country of victorious capitalism. By the way, a strong impetus to inflation and discontent will be from April 1, through the efforts of our government, all cigarettes cheaper than 105 rubles (min fixed price) are removed from the sale, we guess how much sellers will cheat on this price, and how a quarter of the population will react to buying for 130-150 rubles packs of cigarettes that cost 44 rubles in February. The population is definitely not trained to quit smoking and print money. Oh what will happen ... At least builders will raise their prices by 30-40% for sure.
    1. clerk
      clerk 1 February 2021 16: 34
      0
      In February of what year do cigarettes cost 44 rubles per pack now? Maybe your training manual is outdated?
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 1 February 2021 16: 36
        +17
        Quote: clerk
        What kind of cigarettes do we have now cost 44 rubles per pack?

        Contraband. yes
        1. Van 16
          Van 16 1 February 2021 17: 45
          +5
          "Smuggled"

          I have been buying them for a long time already, the difference in price is very noticeable.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 1 February 2021 20: 56
            +6
            Quote: Van 16
            "Smuggled"

            I have been buying them for a long time already, the difference in price is very noticeable.

            Where can you buy them? I would also join ..
            1. Van 16
              Van 16 2 February 2021 03: 43
              +1
              So you can't tell right away, veed, apparently in different ways. We trade in the morning near the checkpoint from cars. The cigarettes are mainly Belarusian and Kazakh. For example, the same Winston - 80 re, and no different from the store.
              On the Internet, you can probably search, for sure there are ads.
      2. evgen1221
        evgen1221 1 February 2021 17: 29
        +4
        Altai Territory - cigarette TU Rodopi Opal Kazakhstan. There is no manual, can you send your own? It's too interesting what they write there.
        1. clerk
          clerk 1 February 2021 17: 44
          -2
          In my manual they write that there are no official prices cheaper than 80 rubles for a pack. What you have brought is most likely really bad smuggling. Therefore, the lamentations a year ago about its upcoming price hike are rubbish.
          1. evgen1221
            evgen1221 1 February 2021 18: 10
            +4
            But they did not think to throw money for normal cigarettes, or work in the provinces so as not to earn 10 tons but at least 40 tons legally and without pulling? And then we already have a stoker superbly work kakby. Before raising prices, they would have guessed to provide a slave. And so from the outside it looks more like a massive withdrawal of capital before a nix.
            1. clerk
              clerk 1 February 2021 18: 23
              -3
              Specifically for which settlement do you write?
              1. evgen1221
                evgen1221 1 February 2021 19: 35
                +3
                Are you going to be the president? Stone on the Ob.
                1. clerk
                  clerk 1 February 2021 20: 05
                  -2
                  How is it marked on the map?
                  1. evgen1221
                    evgen1221 1 February 2021 22: 13
                    +2
                    The letters are still of the Russian alphabet.
                    1. clerk
                      clerk 2 February 2021 16: 05
                      -5
                      The whining about last year's rise in cigarette prices and the lack of good work is not defended.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 1 February 2021 19: 36
            +3
            Quote: clerk
            In my manual they write that there are no official prices cheaper than 80 rubles for a pack.

            Yes, from old stocks. And the Rhodopes a month and a half ago bought exactly for 44 rubles, as the price was written on the pack. Year of release 2018. True, I did not smell tobacco there, solid sticks with sawdust.
            1. clerk
              clerk 1 February 2021 20: 26
              -3
              I have come across a situation where they sell a clear palette at half price under the guise of old stocks. But what does this have to do with the topic? However, the question is rhetorical
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 1 February 2021 20: 54
                +1
                Quote: clerk
                But what does this have to do with the topic?

                The most direct thing is to increase prices. Now I also have cigarettes from old stocks, 2019, "Monsieur Tobacco", they are already 70 rubles, and I don't see new ones, cheaper than a hundred rubles, in the store.
                1. clerk
                  clerk 1 February 2021 21: 02
                  -3
                  From old stocks bought for future use for a couple of years ahead, or pale?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 1 February 2021 21: 08
                    +1
                    Quote: clerk
                    From old stocks bought for future use for a couple of years ahead, or pale?

                    Purchased specifically yesterday, in a store. In the same way as the Rodopi bought. Unlike smuggling, there is a price for a pack, as well as an excise tax. As for smuggling, we have Marlboros of unknown origin 70 each, the rest 60 each.
                    1. clerk
                      clerk 1 February 2021 21: 53
                      -1
                      Perhaps my proposal will seem strange to you - switch to more expensive cigarettes - you will pay less excise tax. "My" "21st century" also went up by 1,5 in 40 years. But in general, the level of prices for cigarettes approached the Soviet one, when a pack of average quality cost 40-60 kopecks.
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 1 February 2021 21: 12
                    +5
                    Keep the dynamics of price growth.
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 February 2021 20: 39
            +7
            Quote: clerk
            In my manual they write that there are no official prices cheaper than 80 rubles for a pack.

            There are no official ones, they tell you about it. But Kazakhs, yes, in our city in several places cars are on the sidelines, with a poster "cigarettes are cheap." And the cops don't touch them. They also sell 5 liter draft vodka. by ad.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 1 February 2021 20: 46
              +18
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              But Kazakh, yes, in our city in several places cars are on the sidelines, with a poster "cigarettes are cheap".

              They also help us a lot to take Belarusians, the "crown" costs from 55 rubles. yes
            2. clerk
              clerk 1 February 2021 21: 07
              -3
              So your local cops are in the share. If we take such contraband on a national scale, then the state is missing a couple of rubles from each cigarette. That is, 600 billion rubles a year or 30 corvettes.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 1 February 2021 21: 32
                +4
                Quote: clerk
                That is, 600 billion rubles a year or 30 corvettes.

                And if the most expensive in the history of the Olympics and the World Cup were not arranged, then it would be possible to build a couple of aircraft carriers, and make a couple of thousand Armats. good
                Although there is still money for this, they only work for the economies of other countries, invested in the securities of the USA, China and the EU. So don't talk about 30 corvettes, the maximum amount of Chinese government bonds would be bought. hi
                PS Cops are everywhere in the share. And all this money goes up the hierarchy.
                1. clerk
                  clerk 1 February 2021 21: 49
                  -6
                  1) The money for Olymptada was spent in Russia. 2) You don’t want to understand the difference between gold and foreign exchange reserves and budget revenues: D 3) This is a long outdated scheme
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 00: 26
                    +3
                    Quote: clerk
                    3) This is a long outdated scheme

                    This is a long outdated excuse. And the money spent in Russia did not bring anything long-term to the economy of the Russian Federation, and the facilities in Sochi now draw money for maintenance, and are practically not used in any way. A suitcase without a handle.
                    And the difference between the gold reserves and the budget is conditional, it is easy to remove it by a strong-willed decision.
                    1. clerk
                      clerk 2 February 2021 08: 53
                      -2
                      1) This is not an excuse - this is real. Schemes have been improved for a long time. And you all retell the horror films of the 90s. 2) What about "projects in Sochi, is this your personal opinion? 3) It's easy to clean. It's about as easy as selling your only home and living a couple of years without working and without denying yourself anything."
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 2 February 2021 09: 08
                        +2
                        Quote: clerk
                        This is not an excuse - this is real. Schemes have been improved for a long time. And you all retell the horror films of the 90s

                        The schemes have improved, but these are the same schemes.
                        Quote: clerk
                        About "projects in Sochi - this is your personal opinion

                        There are tons of videos from Olympic venues on the internet. If you have information about how they are used and in demand, share.
                        Quote: clerk
                        Easy to clean.

                        Invalid comparison. This is not housing. This is a stash, nothing more. Which, instead of developing the country's economy, develops the economies of other countries.
                      2. clerk
                        clerk 2 February 2021 09: 14
                        -3
                        1) These are other schemes. What you described is from the category of "small change in your pockets". 2) Like "Putin's palace"? I don't see that. 3) This is a nest egg for your debt, which may be required from you at any (!) Moment. And if you don't give it up, you and your family will be deprived of their only home.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 2 February 2021 17: 09
    0
    "Predicting coupons" - They were refused, they will simply transfer money to the card to pay for products.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 1 February 2021 15: 56
    -3
    Scarcity - how much is in this word

    Well, who was stopped by this phenomenon, defsyt?
    Through the commodity expert, through the director of the store, through the movers, in the end ... it turned out "The blonde around the corner!"
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 1 February 2021 17: 53
      +5
      And now, the blonde on the corner ... As in a joke, there are three women in the house with low social responsibility, but there is nothing to eat ... Prices have risen, the ruble has fallen, salaries, pensions are growing in percentage beautifully, in fact I want to cry ... And the most interesting thing, did not crush the domestic manufacturer with their prices and the assortment of foreign goods ... But the NPPs were allegedly stuck to the whole country ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 1 February 2021 18: 59
        +1
        Quote: parusnik
        Prices have risen, the ruble has fallen, wages and pensions are growing beautifully in percentage terms, in fact, I want to cry.

        In principle, it is ... but everywhere it is different!
        Quote: parusnik
        And the most interesting thing is that the domestic manufacturer did not crush the foreign manufacturer with its prices and assortment of foreign goods.

        There is such a measure as protectionism, foreign trade policy of the state ... everything is possible when it is beneficial and in moderation.
  • Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 1 February 2021 16: 03
    +2
    Beets were planted deliberately less so that sugar would rise in price, because before that there were large harvests of beets in the central part of Russia and for this sugar began to fall in price from an oversupply. And once, if I am not mistaken, in the 19th century, they tried to plant more beets so that sugar was available to everyone and became cheaper because it was available only to the rich, was expensive and was brought from countries that produce sugar cane.
    1. t-12
      t-12 1 February 2021 16: 18
      +1
      In those days, sugar was a necessary thing, it was used for preparations for the winter. Now sugar is just sweetness.
      1. lukewarm
        lukewarm 1 February 2021 16: 38
        +4
        Don't tell me, now they are also making preparations. And taking into account the message of the article, we can assume that everything will return to the state of the late SSR.
  • lukewarm
    lukewarm 1 February 2021 16: 34
    +9
    Restraining the growth of prices for bread and flour will be carried out through the introduction of quotas on grain exports.

    Not so long ago, jingoistic patriots and rabid detractors of the SSR, as proof of getting up from their knees, cited the export of grain. (And the SSR imported). Well, here we see the price of these "successes". We are already silent about the quality of what is sold in these bags. The market has already decided and is still deciding, yeah ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 1 February 2021 19: 53
      +9
      Quote: unwillingly
      We are already silent about the quality of what is sold in these bags.

      Yes, the quality of commonplace wheat groats dropped to zero. And the weight is already 750 grams.
      And this is with "unprecedented" harvests.
      We kept Indo-girls, this year I finish them off - it's expensive to feed. It's a pity, the bird is grateful and unpretentious. crying
      1. clerk
        clerk 2 February 2021 09: 05
        0
        Under the USSR, livestock in private farmsteads were fed with bread. It was profitable
        1. your1970
          your1970 7 February 2021 13: 07
          -1
          Quote: clerk
          Under the USSR, livestock in private farmsteads were fed with bread. It was profitable

          PRESIDIUM OF THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE RSFSR
          DECREE
          from 6 May 1963 years

          On strengthening responsibility for feeding livestock and poultry bread and other baked goods
          in state and cooperative stores
          ..........
          Some workers and employees - city dwellers, collective farmers, workers and employees of state farms, instead of taking care of the preparation of feed for their livestock in permitted ways, feed the cattle and poultry bread, flour and cereals, bought up in state and cooperative stores.
          .......
          2. To establish that the purchase in state or cooperative stores of baked bread, flour, cereals and other bread products for feeding livestock and poultry, as well as feeding to livestock and poultry bought in stores of baked bread, flour, cereals and other baked goods, committed after imposing for these actions of a fine administratively, or systematically, or on a large scale - are punished correctional labor for up to one year or imprisonment for a term of one to three years with or without confiscation of livestock

          This is to the question that in the USSR pigs were not fed with bread ... yeah ...
          1. clerk
            clerk 7 February 2021 13: 22
            0
            Thanks for the detailed information. She fully confirms the original thesis
          2. lukewarm
            lukewarm 9 February 2021 12: 04
            0
            Interesting quote. That they "condemned" - I know. But what kind of feeding the cattle with bread could be stopped by for 3 years. However ... I don’t know which is worse: fed or not fed, or this draconian measure - up to 3 years. True, the date of the decree explains a lot - the late krusch-maize. In 1964 he was kicked out, but for now he is raging. He also fought against peasant farming: taxes on trees, livestock, etc. By the way, his "teaching" lives on and wins: everything is expensive in stores, his own is also unprofitable.
            1. your1970
              your1970 9 February 2021 18: 33
              -1
              The beauty is that the article was valid until the collapse of the USSR belay
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  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 1 February 2021 17: 35
    +5
    for some reason all this reminds me of 90
  • parusnik
    parusnik 1 February 2021 17: 48
    +6
    The market will put things in order ... The market has come and fewit ... "Maslenitsa, I say, will come - then fewit - Where will it come? - Come on! - Hey! ... And important! - Who? - Maslenitsa. - in - and cunning! "(c)
  • BAI
    BAI 1 February 2021 18: 40
    +4
    The state should not administratively regulate prices. It must have its own shops, gas stations, etc. and keep the right prices there. Then the rest will automatically catch up. Or they will be ruined (there they go).
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 February 2021 19: 48
      -4
      Or they will be ruined (there they go). And people will be left without work and the state without taxes - "There is a road for them"
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 1 February 2021 21: 00
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      The state should not administratively regulate prices. It must have its own shops, gas stations, etc. and keep the right prices there. Then the rest will automatically catch up. Or they will be ruined (there they go).

      A great idea .. even 10 years ago I wrote to the president .. that grocery stores and pharmacies should be state-owned, with a margin that can ensure the payment of taxes, wages and other costs .. that is, minimal.
      1. Alf
        Alf 1 February 2021 21: 36
        +3
        Quote: Svarog
        I even wrote to the president about 10 years ago ... that grocery stores and pharmacies should be state-owned, with a margin that can ensure the payment of taxes, wages and other costs ... that is, the minimum.

        And what did he answer you?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 2 February 2021 13: 19
          +4
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Svarog
          I even wrote to the president about 10 years ago ... that grocery stores and pharmacies should be state-owned, with a margin that can ensure the payment of taxes, wages and other costs ... that is, the minimum.

          And what did he answer you?

          Nothing.. wassat
      2. Nestor Vlakhovski
        Nestor Vlakhovski 2 February 2021 00: 27
        -6
        even 10 years ago I wrote to the president ... that grocery stores and pharmacies should be state-owned
        Can you explain why this is needed? This is the first thing.
        Secondly, budget shops and pharmacies are present all over Russia. But the prices are higher, the assortment is lower, the service is absent as such - everything is in the best traditions of the country of councils.
        Budget organizations will never be able to even closely compare in efficiency with private owners, which area you do not take, from medicine and education, to rocketry or grocery stores.
      3. clerk
        clerk 2 February 2021 13: 12
        0
        ...Hand face
      4. lukewarm
        lukewarm 9 February 2021 12: 14
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Great idea.

        And this will never happen. Does the state care a lot about the welfare of its citizens? The capitalist state protects the ruling class - the capitalists, whatever it says is "social". Why would it be different in the case of stores? In the same way, there will be state purchases of products. Tenders. Market. Where are the low prices in these stores?
    3. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 2 February 2021 00: 21
      -1
      And at whose expense will the state maintain these gas stations? Will he take it from taxpayers out of pocket while at the same time private traders will survive at their own expense?
      Interesting idea about competition ...
    4. clerk
      clerk 2 February 2021 09: 08
      -1
      We have state pharmacies. With such a poor assortment that all private traders do not care about them.
    5. your1970
      your1970 7 February 2021 20: 45
      0
      Quote: BAI
      The state should not administratively regulate prices. It must have its own shops, gas stations, etc. and keep the right prices there. Then the rest will automatically catch up. Or they will be ruined (there they go).
      - belay belay repeat chic idea ... yeah ...
      And then the directors of these gas stations / stores / pharmacies and other things - they hand over everything to wholesale outbids ...
      You 1990 year flew, or what ??? all this was not so long ago .... did not see then how from state shops dragged to cooperative stalls ?????
      Moreover - and before that there was a similar experiment during the monetary reform of 1947 ... and it turned out that instantly from state stores with a low price - they immediately brought them to the market where they threw the price 10 times. And this is despite the Criminal Code of 1926 ...

      And now, a trivial example - in a kiwi magnet costs 67 rubles - a round-the-clock shop opposite buys kiwi in a magnet and exposes for ... 110 rubles !!! And does not go broke, and does not reduce prices ... lol lol
  • Petr Vladimirovich
    Petr Vladimirovich 1 February 2021 19: 09
    0
    And why, one wonders, Valeria Ilyinichna was not listened to ...
  • Plate
    Plate 1 February 2021 20: 10
    0
    I'm sorry, what? Is there a market deficit? Oh well. The prices are exorbitant, yes, perhaps.
    Another thing is that they are trying to introduce some kind of artificial restrictions. If we are building a market, then we need to fight only against unfair competition and non-payment of taxes. If we also begin to struggle with high prices ... Well then, if you please, start fighting also with the departure of producers to more profitable industries or even their closure. But wait, doesn't this road lead us to a planned economy?
  • Million
    Million 1 February 2021 20: 20
    +3
    A deficit in a market economy?
    Is that possible?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 1 February 2021 21: 00
      +5
      Quote: Million
      A deficit in a market economy?
      Is that possible?

      We are a country of opportunities .. everything is possible with us.
      1. Million
        Million 1 February 2021 21: 16
        +3
        I would even say Great Opportunities ... Was ... In the past ... Now almost everyone is trading
    2. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 2 February 2021 00: 18
      +2
      There has not yet been a deficit, but it will surely begin if the state closes the market and sets prices.
    3. clerk
      clerk 2 February 2021 09: 09
      -2
      If we allow zvizdabolov from the Internet before making decisions, then everything is possible.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 February 2021 17: 19
        0
        In Venezuela, this has already been done - toilet paper costs 500 rubles a roll, all manufacturers and the lion's share of private traders from the country dumped. Let anyone let the result be the same - and the state stores do not cope with anything.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 1 February 2021 22: 11
    0
    As for sugar, there was a huge harvest for two years, real overproduction, prices fell, the agricultural authorities strongly recommended to reduce crops, in the spring and summer of last year, sugar prices increased abroad and there was strong export and low sugar residues, plus a real decrease in areas and this is the result The sunflower has always been profitable for export, but the crop failure actually led to the situation that is now
  • Elturisto
    Elturisto 1 February 2021 23: 15
    +5
    This is the result of the policy pursued in the interests of the world bourgeoisie. Russian citizens simply do not have money for food, since they are mostly either office plankton or state employees. And since they do not produce a damn thing, where does the money for food come from? Therefore, grain, rapeseed and it is profitable to drive seeds abroad, for example, to China and Turkey.
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 2 February 2021 00: 17
      -4
      Obama shits in the porches. And the world behind the scenes is eating up Russian citizens.
      I will never stop admiring the local CA.
      since they are mostly office plankton or state employees.
      Didn't you have the main slogan of patriots for almost 20 years - "if you don't like it, get out of Russia?" So they screwed up all the big-headed and handy ones, there were state employees and plankton, but they had 146% approval and full approval of the scrapers.
      1. Elturisto
        Elturisto 2 February 2021 10: 57
        +5
        You have a severe disorder, do not neglect your medications.
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 8 February 2021 12: 06
          +1
          Quote: ElTuristo
          You have a severe disorder, do not neglect your medications.
          N-th as he stopped taking lithium, he was caught in court by a feverish woman: he just did not bark at those present.
      2. clerk
        clerk 2 February 2021 13: 55
        0
        Even the first wave of emigration in the 1920s assured themselves and the world around them that these greyhounds would not be able to do anything without the "elite" who left. The sausage emigrants of the 60s and 90s consoled themselves about the same. Now the chant has gone to the 3rd circle.
      3. Elturisto
        Elturisto 8 February 2021 11: 58
        0
        Is it you that rukasty? if this is so, then your hands grow from the place where Abram and Sarah were unsuccessfully looking for diamonds. Your owners destroyed the industry in the Russian Federation inherited from the USSR.
    2. your1970
      your1970 8 February 2021 09: 44
      -1
      Quote: ElTuristo
      And since they don't produce a damn thing, where does the money for food come from? Therefore, it is profitable to drive grain, rapeseed and seeds abroad, for example, to China and Turkey.

      And grain, rapeseed and seeds, apparently like bananas in Africa, grow by themselves ?! Or somebody Still growing them? Someone - who is not state employees and not office plankton?
      1. Elturisto
        Elturisto 8 February 2021 13: 21
        -1
        Yes, someone grows, but not you. You are not able to grow anything except stalactites in the nose, and people like you, who are trying hard for 40 rubles per 1000 signs, are the majority ...
        1. your1970
          your1970 8 February 2021 15: 29
          -1
          Quote: ElTuristo
          Yes, someone grows, but not you. You are not able to grow anything except stalactites in the nose, and people like you, who are trying hard for 40 rubles per 1000 signs, are the majority ...

          Oh, connoisseurs of stalactites cut through someone else's nose ..... Either an ultrapatriot, or a turbopatriot, or simply the orderlies missed it and he is delirious in the wild ...
          A connoisseur, knowing everything - who, what, when and how ...
  • Nestor Vlakhovski
    Nestor Vlakhovski 2 February 2021 00: 10
    0
    In truth, Russia has its own way.
    How many times you step on the same rake, but you still can't learn.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 February 2021 17: 23
      -1
      There is no shortage no matter what - so stop raving and apparently this rake is like family to you.
  • Thompson
    Thompson 2 February 2021 11: 08
    +1
    In 95% of cases, the deficit was artificial!
    The goal was different and is, but the fact remains
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 February 2021 17: 27
      -1
      And this deficit was caused by the most planned distribution system with a calculation for five years and a complete absence of entrepreneurial activity, which in turn led to technical backwardness in all spheres of the USSR.
      1. Thompson
        Thompson 2 February 2021 18: 35
        +1
        Not all agree.
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 2 February 2021 18: 20
    +1
    As palm oil is imported, it will be imported, and the fact that people will die from it - on the drum. This is where protective duties are needed ...
  • Cresta999
    Cresta999 2 February 2021 19: 04
    +1
    Well, purely RI of the late 19th, early 20th centuries. The same pitchfork.
  • dementor873
    dementor873 5 February 2021 23: 27
    +1
    I work in Magnet. The prices for sugar and butter are kept even lower than the purchase prices by order from above, but at the same time the prices for unrefined oil and refined sugar have been increased, their order to freeze prices does not apply. And the mark-up of 200-300% on goods, in contrast to the purchase from the database, is not surprising at all. Although to admit, johnny walker red lable has cost 7 rubles for 850 years. At least some stability. In principle, there is milk for 29 rubles 0.9 liters (I take it for lunch), bread for 11. So we won't die of hunger, as they say.
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 6 February 2021 03: 27
    -1
    Such an article could only be written by a builder of Navalny! For the destabilization of the situation in the country!