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"With such a weight, it will be more difficult to contain the Russian troops": the United States is concerned about the increase in the mass of the Abrams tank

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The Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 tank turned out to be heavier than the previous MBT versions, which could negatively affect the operation of the improved combat vehicle.


New "Abrams" have nothing to transport


The next Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 update raises concerns about its suitability. The increase in its mass limits tactical portability. tank... M1A2 SEPv3 cannot be transported using modern evacuation vehicles, tactical [army collapsible] bridges or tractors

- say the leaders of the Pentagon responsible for testing the tank.

At the same time, the army instructions have not undergone any changes, extending the procedure for transporting previous MBT modifications to its new version.

To be loaded, bridged and transported without any new restrictions compared to the current Abrams fleet

- approved in the instructions of the Office of the programs of ground combat systems.

At the same time, the army intends to continue equipping the tank with new auxiliary means, which, as noted by military officials, "improve the successful use of [the tank] and the operation of all combat systems on the battlefields."



How to get ahead of Russian tanks


As indicated on the pages of Defense News, the new "Abrams" will most of all face problems in the European theater of operations, especially on its eastern flank, due to significant weight restrictions imposed on local roads and bridges.

As the technique gets heavier, the obstacles [to transport it] increase

- express concern in the US press.

However, as indicated in the publication, in the event of a conflict, maximum efficiency is required, which should allow the combat groups of armored brigades to occupy large territorial tracts, ahead of the tanks of the Russian Federation during their deployment. Therefore, it is noted that "with such a weight it will be more difficult to contain Russian troops."

The transition to a new phase begins, where the goal is to contain Russia in addition to appeasing the allies

- said in 2017 the commander of the US Army in Europe Ben Hodges, while preparing to replenish his troops with bulky machines.

Despite significant restrictions imposed by infrastructure, in the fall of 2020, the transfer of Abrams SEPv3 to a potential theater of operations has already begun. At the same time, these tanks (along with SEPv2) should receive the Trophy active protection system, which will definitely add weight (the Israeli KAZ weighs 2,3 tons); and an even heavier version of SEPv2025 should begin rolling out in the first quarter of fiscal 4.

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  1. Ka-52
    Ka-52 28 January 2021 05: 15
    +33
    As indicated on the pages of Defense News, the new "Abrams" will most of all face problems in the European theater of operations, especially on its eastern flank, due to significant weight restrictions imposed on local roads and bridges.

    As the technique gets heavier, the obstacles [to transport it] increase

    another lovers to experience the roads in the east laughing they should be reminded of the fate of these


    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 28 January 2021 05: 34
      +15
      Quote: Ka-52
      especially on its eastern flank
      And what kind of flank in Europe requires NATO to have tanks ?!
      1. Profiler
        Profiler 28 January 2021 06: 01
        +14
        "With such a weight, it will be more difficult to contain Russian troops": in the USA they were concerned about the increase in the mass of the Abrams tank

        Everything, one to one.
        And the overweight of citizens (obesity, as a medical and social problem) and the growth of the mass of technology - as a problem of logistics and combat readiness ...

      2. Ka-52
        Ka-52 28 January 2021 07: 01
        +14
        And what kind of flank in Europe requires NATO to have tanks ?!

        well, there is probably still a western flank - to the west of North America. Russia is there too laughing only on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean, the Abrams will go even worse than on the black earth of Belarus and Ukraine laughing
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 28 January 2021 07: 27
          +5
          Quote: Ka-52
          only on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean will the Abrams go even worse

          But secretly!
          1. Aldera
            Aldera 28 January 2021 20: 23
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            But secretly!

            Is it easier to screw the wheels to the submarines?
      3. Dikson
        Dikson 28 January 2021 09: 16
        +3
        According to recent statements by the bloc's leadership, the Taimyr Peninsula is the northernmost flank of NATO ..))) so you are welcome to the swamps of the forest-tundra and the melted permafrost of the Russian Arctic ..
    2. RealPilot
      RealPilot 28 January 2021 18: 14
      +3
      History repeats itself!
      Heavy tanks were already being sent to the Eastern Front.

      And some models did not have time for the distribution of well-deserved gifts by the Soviet troops.
      "Mouse", for example, was never completed, and after all, almost 200 tons and a 128mm cannon ...
      We did two things, and they were blown away!

      In general, the absence of new design ideas leads to an obvious result. And, again, there is the mentality of a contract army, where mercenaries go.
      They, well-fed and well-to-do, accustomed to unpunished "victories" without losses, cannot be put in a tin can. They are ready only with guarantees of survival ... Therefore, there is more armor, and more expensive security.

      "Abrams" is not ready for Russian mud! He doesn’t even have a log, the conquerors weren’t prepared, oh, they’ll rake it off ... But they won’t rake them out of our fields with such a weight, they will dig them out in 50 years for museums.
      1. shinobi
        shinobi 29 January 2021 10: 16
        +4
        What a log, comrade? 60 tons of iron, he will break it like a match!
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 28 January 2021 05: 18
    +17
    Transport in pieces on three platforms. On the first gaemka, on the second a tower without a barrel, the barrel and body kits of the KaZ type on the third platform! Also, then on three trawls to transpose to the place of deployment! Or, the brain is asleep, does not want to think? ?? fool fool
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      28 January 2021 05: 20
      +19
      You can also dismantle the power unit and remove the cannons with machine guns, and when meeting with Russian tanks, all this can be quickly assembled.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 28 January 2021 05: 33
        +13
        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        and upon meeting

        Quickly hand over everything for scrap! laughing
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 28 January 2021 05: 53
          +10
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Quickly hand over everything for scrap!

          Crocodile Gena with Cheburashka will help lol
          Experience is lol
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 28 January 2021 05: 51
        +5
        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        and when meeting with Russian tanks, quickly collect all this.

        How many weeks is it "quick"? repeat lol
      3. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 28 January 2021 10: 03
        +6
        It looks like a stuffing-in by the East Europeans to get funds for the reconstruction of transport infrastructure laughing
      4. ccsr
        ccsr 28 January 2021 13: 39
        -4
        Quote: Eugene-Eugene
        You can also dismantle the power unit and remove the cannons with machine guns, and when meeting with Russian tanks, all this can be quickly assembled.

        I think it makes no sense to fantasize here, because when designing any mass armored vehicles, both in our country and abroad, a point is necessarily driven in by weight, and by mass and dimensional characteristics, which allow it to be transported along the existing network of railways and highways. Even the removal of dimensions beyond the platform should not interfere with passage through tunnels and bridges, which was important for our equipment sent to the GSVG, since the track gauge in Europe is different. So don't worry about the Americans - they are guided by the same considerations as our customers. Therefore, this tank will be transported in working order - they took this into account.
      5. alexander 2
        alexander 2 28 January 2021 16: 44
        +1
        It is best to carry instructions for making a tank. You can even on the Hummer.
        1. alexander 2
          alexander 2 28 January 2021 17: 15
          +1
          But seriously. Maybe you should think about compound tanks? Brought 2 - 3 sections and in the field were combined into a single whole. Disassembled for transportation after use. This way the weight limit can be overcome.
    2. Pavel73
      Pavel73 28 January 2021 07: 58
      +7
      The Germans are unlikely to be surpassed by anyone - the Dora cannon :)
      1. vadimtt
        vadimtt 28 January 2021 09: 52
        +2
        Yes, it's hard to argue with the gloomy Teutonic genius in matters of the masses laughing
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 29 January 2021 10: 09
      +3
      On 4 platforms !!!!! 4 I'm under fast food and cola !!!
  3. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 28 January 2021 05: 33
    +6
    Poor guys know the history of tank building.
    Nazi Germany also made a heavy tank "Maus"
    VIII Maus) is a super-heavy tank designed in the Third Reich between 1942 and 1945 under the leadership of Ferdinand Porsche. It is the largest tank in terms of weight ever embodied in metal (combat weight - 182 tons). Only two copies of the car were built.

    True, as it turned out, more than one bridge could not stand it
    1. Moskovit
      Moskovit 28 January 2021 08: 02
      +7
      Yes. And the end of the story is also instructive - this Mouse (more precisely, one assembled of two), stands in Kubinka.
      By the way, there was such a bike. That in the 90s, when everything was on sale, the Germans wanted to buy a tank from the museum. Millions were offered, and even to lay a piece of railway line from the museum to the main highway. There she is nearby. But the leadership courageously refused)).
    2. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 28 January 2021 14: 49
      +3

      True, as it turned out, more than one bridge could not stand it
      Reply

      The mouse had a kind of system for overcoming water obstacles along the bottom of reservoirs
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 28 January 2021 14: 52
        +1
        Quote: Petro_tut
        The mouse had a kind of system for overcoming water obstacles along the bottom of reservoirs

        Did not hear request
        1. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 28 January 2021 16: 24
          0
          https://www.drive2.ru/c/2588514/
          Here infa
          Tank "Mouse" was equipped with equipment for underwater driving, which provided him with overcoming water barriers on the bottom up to 8 m deep with a duration of stay under water up to 45 minutes.
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 28 January 2021 05: 53
    +18
    Therefore, the question arises, "how with such weight to contain the Russian troops."
    What are the questions here? "Abrams" is the symbol of America, baby!

    And it's not all that scary!
  5. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 28 January 2021 06: 00
    -5
    Sorry, but uploading videos without subtitles on a Russian-language site is impolite towards users. A simple copy-paste suggests that the author did not bother to figure out the voice acting. There are many programs that allow you to insert subtitles.
    I still don’t understand where the conviction came from that American tanks would march in columns to Moscow, and Russian tanks to (???). The time of tank wedges has sunk into oblivion, and the advancement of tanks in Europe will probably be possible if someone is impatient to travel through the radioactive ashes.
    The probable concern of the US press suggests that most American journalists, like many others, have a very vague idea of ​​the tactics of combined arms combat and the army in general.
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker 28 January 2021 06: 33
      +2
      You really figure it out, or a nuclear apocalypse, or a combined arms battle. One thing with the other well does not fit in any way.
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire 28 January 2021 07: 19
        +1
        hi
        The teachings in Totskoye well connected both of your actions. Although Yuri Vasilievich is slightly inaccurate ...
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 28 January 2021 10: 03
          +3
          Totskoye used tactical nuclear weapons, not strategic ones. These are completely different scales of influence.
          Combined arms combat can be conducted with or without the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
          But the nuclear missile conflict, which will turn Europe into ashes, does not provide for a combined arms battle.
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 28 January 2021 09: 46
        +1
        Quote: Old Tankman
        One thing does not fit with the other.

        Do you not knit a bast or are you just showing off? You have to live to the point where ordinary Russian words are not enough for understanding ... fool
        Quote: ROSS 42
        the advancement of tanks in Europe will probably be possible if someone is impatient to travel through the radioactive ashes.

        Next comes a paragraph, which means the thought is over. And after:
        Quote: ROSS 42
        most American journalists, like many others, have a very vague idea about the tactics of combined arms combat and about the army in general.

        These are two thoughts absolutely spaced apart in the information message ... wassat
        But your opinion is important to me! yes
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 28 January 2021 10: 08
          -2
          Two thoughts spaced apart in an information message in Russian spelling are separated by a paragraph.
          In a single obzatse are interconnected thoughts.
          But your guesses, even if they may be untenable, are also interesting to me.
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 28 January 2021 10: 29
        +1
        Quote: Old Tankman
        or a nuclear apocalypse, or combined arms battle. One thing with the other well does not fit in any way.

        Why not? As a result of a combined arms battle, a nuclear apocalypse may well happen.
        yes
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 28 January 2021 10: 47
          -2
          It is unlikely. And even after the army operation. But after the battle, which was not in our favor, then yes completely. According to our nuclear doctrine
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 28 January 2021 10: 50
            +1
            Quote: Old Tankman
            That is unlikely.

            Yes, not necessarily global - local is enough, for so far no one has canceled tactical nuclear weapons.
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker 28 January 2021 11: 11
              -1
              A local apocalypse that will incinerate the whole of Europe ...
              Let me remind you that the discussion began precisely with this.
              the advancement of tanks in Europe will probably be possible if someone is impatient to travel through the radioactive ashes.

              And this is a regional minimum.
  6. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 28 January 2021 06: 07
    +1
    How, how ... Europeans need to fork out for a new railway gauge standard - 2000 mm, so that railways and wagons could withstand the tanks of their overseas owners wink
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 28 January 2021 06: 20
      0
      Quote: Kot_Kuzya
      Europeans need to fork out for a new railway gauge standard - 2000 mm, so that railways and wagons can withstand the tanks of their overseas owners

      If part, oh lol
      The Fashington Regional Committee will say it is necessary, comso, oh lol
      Geyropa will answer yes!
      Will remake and will not go anywhere
      Moreover, they will be purchased on a voluntary compulsory basis.
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 28 January 2021 08: 32
        +5
        Another "hegemon" almost a century ago also suffered from gigantomania
  7. storm
    storm 28 January 2021 06: 21
    +7
    Yes, they would immediately switch to Abrams SEPv100 (weighing 100 tons) so that they can drive only along specially paved roads, tunnels and bridges ...
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 28 January 2021 06: 22
    +4
    the goal is to contain Russia in addition to appeasing allies
    How to "calm down" the allies since the roads and bridges in Europe cannot withstand this tank, and a detour on the road ends up being completely stuck? They probably have not yet calculated what they can expect in the Russian expanses where they are going to fight.
  9. Old tanker
    Old tanker 28 January 2021 06: 28
    +2
    The experience of the Nazi invaders by NATO has been completely forgotten. And this plays into our hands.
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 28 January 2021 06: 47
    +2
    Maybe they don't need to go to Europe, there is where to test it. For example, north, south. Republicans and Democrats will figure out who has the most democratic vaccine. Highways belong to them. wassat
    1. Sergey39
      Sergey39 28 January 2021 10: 36
      +3
      Here in Texas they will soon roll in!
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 January 2021 07: 36
    +3
    Each tanker has a grinder and let the excess weight be removed. lol But this senseless work will not save them either.
  12. mark2
    mark2 28 January 2021 07: 42
    +2
    Heavy tank for fat tankers. The problem of increasing the mass of the military is compensated for by the carrying capacity of the vehicles.
    In general, they are there how to fight with Russia. They took care of the roads. Yes, a fool with them. After the war, it may not be necessary to restore it.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 28 January 2021 08: 43
    +2
    The Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 tank turned out to be heavier than the previous MBT versions, which could negatively affect the operation of the improved combat vehicle.

    Everyone strives to protect armored vehicles to the maximum. The technique is getting harder ... a natural process until new, effective methods of protection, easier ones, are invented.
  14. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 28 January 2021 10: 48
    0
    "With such a weight, it will be more difficult to contain the Russian troops": the United States is concerned about the increase in the mass of the Abrams tank


    These American clowns really decided to restrain the Russian troops with Abrams? laughing

    Yes, they will immediately drown in the nearest swamp near Pskov, gurgle like a brick))))
  15. smaug78
    smaug78 28 January 2021 12: 11
    0
    Everything is lost
  16. RealPilot
    RealPilot 28 January 2021 18: 03
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Quote: Ka-52
    only on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean will the Abrams go even worse

    But secretly!

    They will secretly lay down on the bottom! wassat
  17. Aldera
    Aldera 28 January 2021 20: 21
    0
    The increase in its mass limits the tank's tactical transportability. M1A2 SEPv3 cannot be transported using modern evacuation vehicles, tactical [army collapsible] bridges or tractors

    Let the tanks go self-propelled. The problem is what?
  18. RealPilot
    RealPilot 29 January 2021 11: 56
    0
    Quote: shinobi
    What a log, comrade? 60 tons of iron, he will break it like a match!

    That was sarcasm wink
  19. realist
    realist 29 January 2021 20: 22
    0
    awareness of the problem - half of its solution, let's wait, maybe Abrams-light, or a hybrid will appear ...
  20. nnz226
    nnz226 29 January 2021 22: 20
    -1
    The ultimate dream for Americans is the "Mouse" tank - the creation of a gloomy German genius ?!
  21. Red_Graphic
    Red_Graphic 1 February 2021 13: 19
    0
    Well yes. These are Russian tractors that could transport Abrams (60-160 tons). But now they can not buy them ...: D or again an exception, as for titanium and the space program, will they break through? )))