"With such a weight, it will be more difficult to contain the Russian troops": the United States is concerned about the increase in the mass of the Abrams tank

The Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 tank turned out to be heavier than the previous MBT versions, which could negatively affect the operation of the improved combat vehicle.

New "Abrams" have nothing to transport

The next Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 update raises concerns about its suitability. The increase in its mass limits tactical portability. tank... M1A2 SEPv3 cannot be transported using modern evacuation vehicles, tactical [army collapsible] bridges or tractors

- say the leaders of the Pentagon responsible for testing the tank.

At the same time, the army instructions have not undergone any changes, extending the procedure for transporting previous MBT modifications to its new version.

To be loaded, bridged and transported without any new restrictions compared to the current Abrams fleet

- approved in the instructions of the Office of the programs of ground combat systems.

At the same time, the army intends to continue equipping the tank with new auxiliary means, which, as noted by military officials, "improve the successful use of [the tank] and the operation of all combat systems on the battlefields."

How to get ahead of Russian tanks

As indicated on the pages of Defense News, the new "Abrams" will most of all face problems in the European theater of operations, especially on its eastern flank, due to significant weight restrictions imposed on local roads and bridges.

As the technique gets heavier, the obstacles [to transport it] increase

- express concern in the US press.

However, as indicated in the publication, in the event of a conflict, maximum efficiency is required, which should allow the combat groups of armored brigades to occupy large territorial tracts, ahead of the tanks of the Russian Federation during their deployment. Therefore, it is noted that "with such a weight it will be more difficult to contain Russian troops."

The transition to a new phase begins, where the goal is to contain Russia in addition to appeasing the allies

- said in 2017 the commander of the US Army in Europe Ben Hodges, while preparing to replenish his troops with bulky machines.

Despite significant restrictions imposed by infrastructure, in the fall of 2020, the transfer of Abrams SEPv3 to a potential theater of operations has already begun. At the same time, these tanks (along with SEPv2) should receive the Trophy active protection system, which will definitely add weight (the Israeli KAZ weighs 2,3 tons); and an even heavier version of SEPv2025 should begin rolling out in the first quarter of fiscal 4.

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[Ka-52]

As indicated on the pages of Defense News, the new "Abrams" will most of all face problems in the European theater of operations, especially on its eastern flank, due to significant weight restrictions imposed on local roads and bridges.

As the technique gets heavier, the obstacles [to transport it] increase

another lovers to experience the roads in the east they should be reminded of the fate of these

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Ka-52

especially on its eastern flank

And what kind of flank in Europe requires NATO to have tanks ?!

[Profiler]

"With such a weight, it will be more difficult to contain Russian troops": in the USA they were concerned about the increase in the mass of the Abrams tank

Everything, one to one.
And the overweight of citizens (obesity, as a medical and social problem) and the growth of the mass of technology - as a problem of logistics and combat readiness ...

[Ka-52]

And what kind of flank in Europe requires NATO to have tanks ?!

well, there is probably still a western flank - to the west of North America. Russia is there too only on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean, the Abrams will go even worse than on the black earth of Belarus and Ukraine

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Ka-52

only on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean will the Abrams go even worse

But secretly!

[Aldera]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

But secretly!

Is it easier to screw the wheels to the submarines?

[Dikson]

According to recent statements by the bloc's leadership, the Taimyr Peninsula is the northernmost flank of NATO ..))) so you are welcome to the swamps of the forest-tundra and the melted permafrost of the Russian Arctic ..

[Real Pilot]

History repeats itself!
Heavy tanks were already being sent to the Eastern Front.

And some models did not have time for the distribution of well-deserved gifts by the Soviet troops.
"Mouse", for example, was never completed, and after all, almost 200 tons and a 128mm cannon ...
We did two things, and they were blown away!

In general, the absence of new design ideas leads to an obvious result. And, again, there is the mentality of a contract army, where mercenaries go.
They, well-fed and well-to-do, accustomed to unpunished "victories" without losses, cannot be put in a tin can. They are ready only with guarantees of survival ... Therefore, there is more armor, and more expensive security.

"Abrams" is not ready for Russian mud! He doesn’t even have a log, the conquerors weren’t prepared, oh, they’ll rake it off ... But they won’t rake them out of our fields with such a weight, they will dig them out in 50 years for museums.

[shinobi]

What a log, comrade? 60 tons of iron, he will break it like a match!

[Thrifty]

Transport in pieces on three platforms. On the first gaemka, on the second a tower without a barrel, the barrel and body kits of the KaZ type on the third platform! Also, then on three trawls to transpose to the place of deployment! Or, the brain is asleep, does not want to think? ??

[Eugene-Eugene]

You can also dismantle the power unit and remove the cannons with machine guns, and when meeting with Russian tanks, all this can be quickly assembled.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

and upon meeting

Quickly hand over everything for scrap!

[Lipchanin]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Quickly hand over everything for scrap!

Crocodile Gena with Cheburashka will help
Experience is

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

and when meeting with Russian tanks, quickly collect all this.

How many weeks is it "quick"?

[Petro_tut]

It looks like a stuffing-in by the East Europeans to get funds for the reconstruction of transport infrastructure

[ccsr]

Quote: Eugene-Eugene

You can also dismantle the power unit and remove the cannons with machine guns, and when meeting with Russian tanks, all this can be quickly assembled.

I think it makes no sense to fantasize here, because when designing any mass armored vehicles, both in our country and abroad, a point is necessarily driven in by weight, and by mass and dimensional characteristics, which allow it to be transported along the existing network of railways and highways. Even the removal of dimensions beyond the platform should not interfere with passage through tunnels and bridges, which was important for our equipment sent to the GSVG, since the track gauge in Europe is different. So don't worry about the Americans - they are guided by the same considerations as our customers. Therefore, this tank will be transported in working order - they took this into account.

[alexander 2]

It is best to carry instructions for making a tank. You can even on the Hummer.

[alexander 2]

But seriously. Maybe you should think about compound tanks? Brought 2 - 3 sections and in the field were combined into a single whole. Disassembled for transportation after use. This way the weight limit can be overcome.

[Pavel73]

The Germans are unlikely to be surpassed by anyone - the Dora cannon :)

[vadimtt]

Yes, it's hard to argue with the gloomy Teutonic genius in matters of the masses

[smart ass]

On 4 platforms !!!!! 4 I'm under fast food and cola !!!

[Lipchanin]

Poor guys know the history of tank building.
Nazi Germany also made a heavy tank "Maus"

VIII Maus) is a super-heavy tank designed in the Third Reich between 1942 and 1945 under the leadership of Ferdinand Porsche. It is the largest tank in terms of weight ever embodied in metal (combat weight - 182 tons). Only two copies of the car were built.

True, as it turned out, more than one bridge could not stand it

[Moskovit]

Yes. And the end of the story is also instructive - this Mouse (more precisely, one assembled of two), stands in Kubinka.
By the way, there was such a bike. That in the 90s, when everything was on sale, the Germans wanted to buy a tank from the museum. Millions were offered, and even to lay a piece of railway line from the museum to the main highway. There she is nearby. But the leadership courageously refused)).

[Petro_tut]

True, as it turned out, more than one bridge could not stand it
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The mouse had a kind of system for overcoming water obstacles along the bottom of reservoirs

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Petro_tut

The mouse had a kind of system for overcoming water obstacles along the bottom of reservoirs

Did not hear

[Petro_tut]

https://www.drive2.ru/c/2588514/
Here infa
Tank "Mouse" was equipped with equipment for underwater driving, which provided him with overcoming water barriers on the bottom up to 8 m deep with a duration of stay under water up to 45 minutes.

[Nikolaevich I]

Therefore, the question arises, "how with such weight to contain the Russian troops."
What are the questions here? "Abrams" is the symbol of America, baby!

And it's not all that scary!

[Ross xnumx]

Sorry, but uploading videos without subtitles on a Russian-language site is impolite towards users. A simple copy-paste suggests that the author did not bother to figure out the voice acting. There are many programs that allow you to insert subtitles.
I still don’t understand where the conviction came from that American tanks would march in columns to Moscow, and Russian tanks to (???). The time of tank wedges has sunk into oblivion, and the advancement of tanks in Europe will probably be possible if someone is impatient to travel through the radioactive ashes.
The probable concern of the US press suggests that most American journalists, like many others, have a very vague idea of ​​the tactics of combined arms combat and the army in general.

[Old tanker]

You really figure it out, or a nuclear apocalypse, or a combined arms battle. One thing with the other well does not fit in any way.

[Cheshire]

The teachings in Totskoye well connected both of your actions. Although Yuri Vasilievich is slightly inaccurate ...

[Old tanker]

Totskoye used tactical nuclear weapons, not strategic ones. These are completely different scales of influence.
Combined arms combat can be conducted with or without the use of tactical nuclear weapons.
But the nuclear missile conflict, which will turn Europe into ashes, does not provide for a combined arms battle.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Old Tankman

One thing does not fit with the other.

Do you not knit a bast or are you just showing off? You have to live to the point where ordinary Russian words are not enough for understanding ...

Quote: ROSS 42

the advancement of tanks in Europe will probably be possible if someone is impatient to travel through the radioactive ashes.

Next comes a paragraph, which means the thought is over. And after:

Quote: ROSS 42

most American journalists, like many others, have a very vague idea about the tactics of combined arms combat and about the army in general.

These are two thoughts absolutely spaced apart in the information message ...
But your opinion is important to me!

[Old tanker]

Two thoughts spaced apart in an information message in Russian spelling are separated by a paragraph.
In a single obzatse are interconnected thoughts.
But your guesses, even if they may be untenable, are also interesting to me.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Old Tankman

or a nuclear apocalypse, or combined arms battle. One thing with the other well does not fit in any way.

Why not? As a result of a combined arms battle, a nuclear apocalypse may well happen.

[Old tanker]

It is unlikely. And even after the army operation. But after the battle, which was not in our favor, then yes completely. According to our nuclear doctrine

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Old Tankman

That is unlikely.

Yes, not necessarily global - local is enough, for so far no one has canceled tactical nuclear weapons.

[Old tanker]

A local apocalypse that will incinerate the whole of Europe ...
Let me remind you that the discussion began precisely with this.

the advancement of tanks in Europe will probably be possible if someone is impatient to travel through the radioactive ashes.

And this is a regional minimum.

[Kot_Kuzya]

How, how ... Europeans need to fork out for a new railway gauge standard - 2000 mm, so that railways and wagons could withstand the tanks of their overseas owners

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Kot_Kuzya

Europeans need to fork out for a new railway gauge standard - 2000 mm, so that railways and wagons can withstand the tanks of their overseas owners

If part, oh
The Fashington Regional Committee will say it is necessary, comso, oh
Geyropa will answer yes!
Will remake and will not go anywhere
Moreover, they will be purchased on a voluntary compulsory basis.

[mojohed2012]

Another "hegemon" almost a century ago also suffered from gigantomania

[storm]

Yes, they would immediately switch to Abrams SEPv100 (weighing 100 tons) so that they can drive only along specially paved roads, tunnels and bridges ...

[rotmistr60]

the goal is to contain Russia in addition to appeasing allies

How to "calm down" the allies since the roads and bridges in Europe cannot withstand this tank, and a detour on the road ends up being completely stuck? They probably have not yet calculated what they can expect in the Russian expanses where they are going to fight.

[Old tanker]

The experience of the Nazi invaders by NATO has been completely forgotten. And this plays into our hands.

[tralflot1832]

Maybe they don't need to go to Europe, there is where to test it. For example, north, south. Republicans and Democrats will figure out who has the most democratic vaccine. Highways belong to them.

[Sergey39]

Here in Texas they will soon roll in!

[Ros 56]

Each tanker has a grinder and let the excess weight be removed. But this senseless work will not save them either.

[mark2]

Heavy tank for fat tankers. The problem of increasing the mass of the military is compensated for by the carrying capacity of the vehicles.
In general, they are there how to fight with Russia. They took care of the roads. Yes, a fool with them. After the war, it may not be necessary to restore it.

[rocket757]

The Abrams M1A2 SEPv3 tank turned out to be heavier than the previous MBT versions, which could negatively affect the operation of the improved combat vehicle.

Everyone strives to protect armored vehicles to the maximum. The technique is getting harder ... a natural process until new, effective methods of protection, easier ones, are invented.

[Lord of the Sith]

"With such a weight, it will be more difficult to contain the Russian troops": the United States is concerned about the increase in the mass of the Abrams tank

These American clowns really decided to restrain the Russian troops with Abrams?

Yes, they will immediately drown in the nearest swamp near Pskov, gurgle like a brick))))

[smaug78]

Everything is lost

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: Ka-52

only on the bottom of the Pacific Ocean will the Abrams go even worse

But secretly!

They will secretly lay down on the bottom!

[Aldera]

The increase in its mass limits the tank's tactical transportability. M1A2 SEPv3 cannot be transported using modern evacuation vehicles, tactical [army collapsible] bridges or tractors

Let the tanks go self-propelled. The problem is what?

[Real Pilot]

Quote: shinobi

What a log, comrade? 60 tons of iron, he will break it like a match!

That was sarcasm

[realist]

awareness of the problem - half of its solution, let's wait, maybe Abrams-light, or a hybrid will appear ...

[nnz226]

The ultimate dream for Americans is the "Mouse" tank - the creation of a gloomy German genius ?!

[Red_Graphic]

Well yes. These are Russian tractors that could transport Abrams (60-160 tons). But now they can not buy them ...: D or again an exception, as for titanium and the space program, will they break through? )))