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A sketch of a promising aircraft carrier from the Nevsky PKB was called "fantasies" in the US press

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A sketch of a promising aircraft carrier from the Nevsky PKB was called "fantasies" in the US press

The Russian Navy is looking for a replacement for its only and outdated aircraft carrier, the Admiral Kuznetsov. However, the proposed options for a new aircraft carrier, including a concept from the Nevsky Design Bureau in St. Petersburg, are not very serious. This is the conclusion made by David Ax in an article for the American magazine Forbes.


According to the author, the version of the new aircraft carrier proposed by the Nevsky PKB for the Russian military fleet “very interesting,” but not serious. ”Ex notes that the Russian designers have prepared a very good graphic representation of an aircraft carrier with the superstructure located in the bow of the ship, and not in the middle, as is done“ all over the world ”(read - the USA). In the picture, the author emphasizes, there is not even an image of a pipe for a supposedly non-nuclear power plant, and the location of the pipes determines the layout of the flight deck.

Thus, he writes, the graphic is not a reflection of serious design thought. But even the absence of a detailed project is irrelevant, since the Kremlin will still not allocate any serious funds for the construction of a new aircraft carrier.

The author quotes the words of the naval analyst Eric Wertheim, who is the author of the reference book "The World's Combat Fleets":

The Russian defense industry has long been famous for its innovative thinking and design work. But she is equally famous for the excessive hype around new projects and systems that are unlikely to ever be implemented and go into service.


The project of a new aircraft carrier from the Nevsky PKB awaits the fate of other aircraft carrier concepts proposed to the Russian fleet, for example, the Manatee with a displacement of 90 thousand tons, Aix writes.

The Russian government has not approved a multi-year and costly program for the design and construction of a new aircraft carrier. Instead, it is spending hundreds of millions of dollars renovating an obsolete 80s-built Admiral Kuznetsov.

The Russian shipbuilding industry has not fully recovered after the collapse of the Soviet Union, so it cannot build a new aircraft carrier, for which there is no limit to the fantasies of Russian artists, the author concludes. If Russia builds a new aircraft carrier, it will only be in the future.
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JSC "Nevskoe Design Bureau"
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 22 January 2021 09: 08
    +10
    On my marine convex (may AB lovers forgive me) what is depicted ...
    Well, it's not logical somehow. In places.
    (In the old years, when judging the bench models of copies, there was such a term - sea literacy, so some of the details of this layout cut my eyes)
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 January 2021 09: 54
      +7
      Quote: Victor_B
      Well, it's not logical somehow. In places.

      Well, there is no that grace, sea beauty inherent in Soviet ships. The ship should be like the woman you saw for the first time, and she fascinated you.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 22 January 2021 09: 55
        +3
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Well, there is no that grace

        Not at all...
        Here's an example - a cut of the flight deck cannot be like this. A-priory!
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 22 January 2021 17: 43
          +1
          Here's an example - a cut of the flight deck cannot be like this. A-priory!

          And if UVVP?
          The airplane at the start is not traditional. Otherwise, the run will not be enough for him. IMHO.
          This AB looks like a converted tanker.
          The number of radars confuses me a little ...
          It looks unusual, but it will cost a lot less. hi
          1. Deck
            Deck 22 January 2021 22: 43
            +2
            The airplane at the start is not traditional.


            A model of an unconventional aircraft carrier for an unconventional airplane, created by unconventional designers (
            1. seregatara1969
              seregatara1969 26 January 2021 21: 39
              0
              Maybe the barge is herodrome
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 22 January 2021 10: 49
        +5
        By the way, from the Soviet shipbuilding school, the features of the Italian are very, very strong!
        In fact, it was. It was the Italians who designed and taught our designers before the war.
        Then, when our shipbuilders "grew up", their peculiarities, motives appeared ...
      3. lucul
        lucul 22 January 2021 12: 24
        0
        Well, there is no that grace, sea beauty inherent in Soviet ships. The ship should be like the woman you saw for the first time, and she fascinated you.

        A bit different from Michelangelo's? What is beauty? "I just take a stone and cut off everything that is unnecessary."
        So it is here.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 22 January 2021 14: 34
          +10
          A sketch of a promising aircraft carrier from the Nevsky PKB was called "fantasies" in the US press
          here the Yankes are right ... how regrettable.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 22 January 2021 17: 49
            +1
            Well, they called a lot of things in our country.
            But already something is not laughing and began to throw bulk. wink
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 22 January 2021 21: 04
              -1
              It is difficult to say from the layout whether the project will be implemented.
              As for the implementation, the Americans repeatedly scolded, insulted in every possible way and "did not believe" the Russians, and then admitted the existence of something with a gnash of teeth. lol
              Only I know for sure: if the enemy scolds, then it is definitely something good, suitable and necessary! yes
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 22 January 2021 22: 08
                -2
                Only I know for sure: if the enemy scolds, then it is definitely something good, suitable and necessary! yes

                Exactly! drinks
                1. well
                  well 23 January 2021 18: 49
                  -3
                  And if your own people praise too much, then the project is dead-born
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 23 January 2021 18: 50
                    0
                    And if your own people praise too much, then the project is dead-born

                    For example?
                  2. Alex777
                    Alex777 24 January 2021 18: 44
                    +1
                    Deadborn, this is your banderostan. yes
                    And we go forward and do not see you point-blank.
              2. Alex777
                Alex777 24 January 2021 18: 46
                0
                Bandera did not succeed. Minus. laughing
  2. military_cat
    military_cat 22 January 2021 09: 09
    -19%
    The Russian aircraft carrier is buried at Cape Idokopas in Gelendzhik.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 22 January 2021 09: 15
      +29
      The problem is that this is an inherently passive position. Wars are usually lost when a side bets on defense, the most impregnable defense. For the other side finds the keys how to open it in the most unexpected way, or bypass it.

      Here the question is more to the country. Active or passive politics. If it is active, then we need aircraft carriers, means of projection of force, and a strong fleet even as part of a couple of combined strike groups. If the policy is passive, that is, we sit quietly, we accept sanctions, we call everyone partners, and we are not going to interfere in interesting regions, then the fleet is generally a waste of funds.
      1. nnm
        nnm 22 January 2021 09: 21
        +9
        The war with Napoleon, WWII seems to say the opposite:
        Wars are usually lost when the side bets on defense

        That's about the passivity of warfare - yes, it is. But the defense is much easier to build and the losses are much less.
        And here they said quite rightly. The very essence was reflected:
        Here the question is more to the country. Active or passive politics. If active, then you need aircraft carriers, means of projection of force
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 22 January 2021 10: 07
          +9
          Well, with Napoleon - if the defense had not gone over to the offensive, he would probably have repeated the approach. Or did the war end with Berezina? There weren't any "Battles of the Nations" at Leipzig?

          The Second World War - it was generally planned on foreign territory, with little blood, in Berlin in a month. That is, initially the plans were active, relying on URs, but it turned out how it happened.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 22 January 2021 17: 45
            -3
            That ours did not know how to fight it was clear even in the Finnish war 39-40th they decided to arm themselves with fantasies up to 41, so they were defeated in the east in 41-42 years.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 22 January 2021 10: 16
          +9
          Quote: nnm
          But the defense is much easier to build and the losses are much less.

          Uh-huh ... the French thought so too.
          Preparing a defense is no less difficult than an offensive. The ICH of the forces for this needs about the same. Because with passive sitting, the enemy will sooner or later find the weakest spot, concentrate his forces there and strike.
          1. Magog_
            Magog_ 22 January 2021 15: 56
            +2
            The point is not how to build your views for the upcoming campaign (defensive, offensive or combined), but how to force the enemy to act according to your war plans!
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 22 January 2021 10: 17
          -2
          Quote: nnm
          And here they said quite rightly. The very essence was reflected:
          Here the question is more to the country. Active or passive politics. If active, then you need aircraft carriers, means of projection of force

          America needs aircraft carriers - to send them all over the world to bomb those who have no air defense. Why do we need them? We have no interest in supporting the Orange Revolutions around the world with aircraft carriers. We are not interested in scaring the Kims and showing off aircraft carriers in front of China. To send them to the shores of America is also stupid. They are useless as a means of defending territorial waters. So why?
          1. Vol4ara
            Vol4ara 22 January 2021 11: 13
            +11
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Quote: nnm
            And here they said quite rightly. The very essence was reflected:
            Here the question is more to the country. Active or passive politics. If active, then you need aircraft carriers, means of projection of force

            America needs aircraft carriers - to send them all over the world to bomb those who have no air defense. Why do we need them? We have no interest in supporting the Orange Revolutions around the world with aircraft carriers. We are not interested in scaring the Kims and showing off aircraft carriers in front of China. To send them to the shores of America is also stupid. They are useless as a means of defending territorial waters. So why?

            Aircraft carriers are needed to support the landing and to project their policies around the world. If you do not bomb the bearded men and do not swim along the coast of America, this is not because you are peaceful, but because you are not strong and your guts are thin, in politics there are no peaceful, in politics you use all the power, all the money you can reach. Everything else is an excuse for the poor. And we do not have aircraft carriers, not because they are not needed, but because we cannot build, it is expensive and there is no corresponding school and there is no suitable aircraft, those that flew on Kuznetsov are rarities
            1. A_Lex
              A_Lex 22 January 2021 13: 45
              +4
              And we do not have aircraft carriers, not because they are not needed, but because we cannot build, it is expensive and there is no appropriate school and there is no suitable aircraft, those that flew on Kuznetsov are rarities


              That's not why. Vikramaditya showed that it is possible. Aircraft carriers in particular and the fleet as a whole are not being built, because the leadership is not going to really project force outward, therefore it does not need tools for projection.
              1. Magog_
                Magog_ 22 January 2021 14: 46
                +6
                The desire to get the Mistrals, the subsequent attempt to build their own kind of mistrals and, as a result, the fact of a new interest of the Ministry of Defense and the Navy in the Yak-141-type project, as well as persistence in efforts to modernize the only aircraft carrier, flashed in the news - all this suggests that that it is nevertheless necessary to “project the force outwardly”. Apparently, the question is about funds and their quantity ...
                1. A_Lex
                  A_Lex 22 January 2021 15: 18
                  +2
                  An objective need to project power does not necessarily imply a desire to do all this. And many years of attempts that do not lead to the creation of a real projection tool can talk about anything, to the extent that with the help of attempts only the presence of desire is imitated.
                  1. Magog_
                    Magog_ 22 January 2021 15: 23
                    +2
                    Also philosophical: desire is primary, and "attempts" can be manifested by various reasons. There is no doubt that this desire to "project power outward" is?
                    1. A_Lex
                      A_Lex 22 January 2021 19: 29
                      0
                      There is no doubt that this desire to "project power outward" is?


                      Doubts are dispelled only when words are confirmed by deeds, and deeds do not have to be actively encouraged.
            2. Magog_
              Magog_ 22 January 2021 15: 10
              -1
              and there is no appropriate school and no suitable aircraft, those who flew on Kuznetsov are rarities
              There are two schools: in the Kuban and in the Crimea, "Thread", where the training of the pilots continues. Su-33 and MiG-29K are the same "rarities" as the F-18 of all modifications. By the way, the Americans continue to produce the latter for export and for their Navy, not relying only on too "cool" and capricious F-35 ...
              1. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara 22 January 2021 15: 24
                +2
                Quote: Magog_
                and there is no appropriate school and no suitable aircraft, those who flew on Kuznetsov are rarities
                There are two schools: in the Kuban and in the Crimea, "Thread", where the training of the pilots continues. Su-33 and MiG-29K are the same "rarities" as the F-18 of all modifications. By the way, the Americans continue to produce the latter for export and for their Navy, not relying only on too "cool" and capricious F-35 ...

                Have you decided to compare 33 or cube with F / A-18E / F? good luck
                1. Magog_
                  Magog_ 22 January 2021 15: 32
                  +2
                  Have you decided to compare 33 or cube with F / A-18E / F?
                  You are right, it is unethical to compare "a ship with a catapult" and ours.
                2. Grits
                  Grits 23 January 2021 02: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: Vol4ara
                  Have you decided to compare 33 or cube with F / A-18E / F? good luck

                  It's silly to compare - it will clearly not be in our favor. Again, from poverty. Lacking a clean deck, our Navy had no choice but to agree to bring classic production aircraft to the "deck level". Americans can afford to financially have a clean carrier-based aircraft, and a very good one. Having 12 aviks it is quite justified.
                  1. Magog_
                    Magog_ 23 January 2021 19: 52
                    -1
                    There is nothing to do with a catapult in the Arctic. And we need to have flight capabilities in the Northern Fleet. Including, we have done everything right. And Hornet, when picking up a payload close to the Su-33, is not capable of maneuvering combat. A brick will fly from the catapult, but in a possible fight for the Northern Sea Route, the catapults will not work. Unless, try the F-35 ... - but as an air fighter, this supposedly "invisible" of dubious quality.
            3. Vadim_888
              Vadim_888 22 January 2021 15: 11
              +5
              It must be understood that in the case of Russia, aircraft carriers must ensure the stability of forces that will allow the rapid deployment of the PKK and the withdrawal of the latter to the operational space, and you cannot get off with a light aircraft carrier.
              1. Grits
                Grits 23 January 2021 02: 31
                0
                Quote: Vadim_888
                It must be understood that in the case of Russia, aircraft carriers must ensure the stability of forces that will allow the rapid deployment of the PKK and the withdrawal of the latter to the operational space, and you cannot get off with a light aircraft carrier.

                I think our Navy would even agree to this to ensure deployment. As they say, without fish ...
          2. Machito
            Machito 22 January 2021 14: 28
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Quote: nnm
            And here they said quite rightly. The very essence was reflected:
            Here the question is more to the country. Active or passive politics. If active, then you need aircraft carriers, means of projection of force

            America needs aircraft carriers - to send them all over the world to bomb those who have no air defense. Why do we need them? We have no interest in supporting the Orange Revolutions around the world with aircraft carriers. We are not interested in scaring the Kims and showing off aircraft carriers in front of China. To send them to the shores of America is also stupid. They are useless as a means of defending territorial waters. So why?

            Protect the construction of the Nicaraguan Canal.
          3. Grits
            Grits 23 January 2021 02: 25
            0
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            So why?

            Ensure the sustainability of the deployment of strategic nuclear submarines in combat patrol areas. Aircraft on the distant approaches to these areas simply will not allow surface ships and anti-submarine patrol aircraft to penetrate.
        4. Magog_
          Magog_ 22 January 2021 14: 29
          0
          War with Napoleon
          If the Patriotic War of 1812 was originally planned as a purely defensive war with an "offensive end", then the Second World War became such ("domestic") and was forced into a "fire order" already during the "sudden" invasion of the enemy. Look at your leisure Barclay de Tolly's proposals for the upcoming campaign against Napoleon's troops and the essence of the January (1941) staff games of the Red Army. Moreover, all the pre-war plans in both cases are confirmed by the corresponding successes or colossal failures during these campaigns. What do they "talk" about in your understanding - a question?
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 22 January 2021 09: 45
        +1
        I'm glad for my disadvantages - Shoigu is right to dodge such brilliant AVs.
        Around Russia for 2 - 5 thousand km in any direction is land !!!!!! and the Strategic Missile Forces-VKS are needed over the firmament and modestly - I will add: SukhPut.
        After putting them in order, if there are resources left, build a fleet.
        It’s not me or Shoigu who is drowning AV, but the Federal Tax Service and several million individual entrepreneurs of small enterprises (work in the former collective farm garages with wood-burning stoves). In other words, the level of development of productive forces and production relations does not allow keeping all the wishes of the heroes of TrMV.
        1. Cut Samshitov
          Cut Samshitov 22 January 2021 09: 55
          -13%
          I agree 100%. The revolutionary sailor is a consequence of the incompetent nikolashka pouring money into the useless fleet. Let this huge money into the troops, the revolution would be a big question.
          1. ZAV69
            ZAV69 22 January 2021 15: 31
            +5
            Quote: Sawing Boxwood
            Revolutionary sailor

            Yes, how many of this sailor was there .... The crew of the battleship of the type "Sevastopol" is only 1220 people (officers, conductors and sailors), the crew of "Andrew the First-Called" 957 people. Destroyer "Novik" 112 people. Count
            thousand 30 for the entire Russian Empire. And that's not a fact. But the number of one "Wild Division" is about 10000 people. And the king had more than one such division ...
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 22 January 2021 16: 13
            +4
            Quote: Sawing Boxwood
            Let this huge money into the troops

            And the German fleet would "bombard" St. Petersburg (like a good morning!). How this is done LK Geben at the Black Sea Fleet perfectly demonstrated this by shelling Sevastopol and ships in the bay ...
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 22 January 2021 10: 01
          +12
          Well, the land route has a limitation - there will be a war to destroy the country anyway. For on the one hand NATO, on the other China. And in the former republics it is very difficult to act openly. The last case was 888. When there was a situation with Ukraine, there was no action to siphon off any engine-building and steel-making mega-enterprises, as well as water to Crimea and highway / railway to Crimea. wink .

          The Strategic Missile Forces is understandable. Videoconferencing, again, is actually extremely limited. Well, for example Bulgaria, Turkey and Romania say there is no overflight permission. AND? We'll have to make a detour of 4000 km, and this is not realistic for all aircraft and crews, or not to use the Aerospace Forces at all (well, or start a war with NATO). This is their sovereign right, recognized by Russia and the UN - that is, any non-commercial flight must be coordinated and the country has the right to prohibit the flight.

          The fleet is many times more mobile and flexible. Freedom of navigation is the main theme of the same USA. On the whole, Russia and the UN recognize this norm. No country can block the path of the fleet. That is, it is the fleet that can project strength and interests in any country in the world. However, frigates and corvettes do not impress even the jumba.

          For example, the classic - you need to help Tygra to gain independence from the richest mineral resources. Eritrea supports Tygra and his allies. Egypt, gulfs against. Here only AUG will be able to complete the task. For it is necessary to crush the air defense (modernized S-125 and Pantsiri), crush the Air Force (Su-27), crush rather serious ground forces. Carry out transportation, forward deployment from a 100 km march (which again needs to be covered).
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 22 January 2021 10: 15
            -7
            classic - we need to help Tigray gain independence from the richest mineral resources. Eritrea provides support to Tygra and his allies. Egypt, gulfs against.

            THIS IS A CLASSIC ... PRIORITIES. FIRST, EURASIA, AROUND RUSSIA - THEN ALL THE OTHERS.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 22 January 2021 10: 37
              +4
              Well, if you get to the Chinese proxies and other Kyrgyz-Kazakh zones of interest, then you can also transport China to the enemy camp. Just what you need at the current time.
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 22 January 2021 16: 31
            +4
            Quote: donavi49
            No country can block the path of the fleet.
            Pancake! It's a pity the samurai did not know this !!! Skorobogatov apparently did not tell them this, so he paid ...
            Quote: donavi49
            frigates and corvettes do not impress even the jumba.
            Maybe it's better to "impress" a curbstone-yumba with something else !? Well, for example, cars, excavators, tractors, consumer goods, as do khinchiks ... No, can't we? Tady - OH!
            Quote: donavi49
            we need to help Tigray gain independence from the richest mineral resources.
            Pancake! This is not our size! This is the bra for Uncle Sam: he is our master of such "mischief". Whales, and they follow the path of economic expansion ...
            And we have no move either in the first or in the second gang ... Everywhere - "the snipe is empty!" And the people are not enough for expansion. I would have to cope with their "native spaces" ... Otherwise, those who wish were already in line ...
            Soon in O-OH (and OH - too!) This question will begin to be exaggerated with the filing of Bydown's crap ... So, it's time to get good "watchdogs" and "hounds" to crush the tates crawling to our fence ...
            Something like this, however. Yeah
        3. Cron
          Cron 22 January 2021 10: 17
          -10%
          After putting them in order, if there are resources left, build a fleet.

          The same opinion
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 22 January 2021 16: 33
            +1
            Quote: Cron
            After putting them in order, if there are resources left, build a fleet.

            The same opinion

            Then it will be too late to drink Borjomi: - The kidneys will fall off!
      3. svp67
        svp67 22 January 2021 09: 52
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        Here the question is more to the country. Active or passive politics. If it is active, then we need aircraft carriers, means of projection of force, and a strong fleet even as part of a couple of combined strike groups.

        Here it would be better to understand what is being built in Kerch now? Where did the news about the ever-increasing tonnage of these ships come from? And if this is true, then what can be obtained at the output of 45 tons?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 22 January 2021 10: 12
          +5
          Helicopter carrier. For there are no finishers. Just more. Perhaps one more full-fledged deck, exclusively for the technique zababahali, and not joint use + patch at the dock. There the Chinese are also about 40 kt full.



          1. svp67
            svp67 22 January 2021 10: 15
            +2
            Quote: donavi49
            Helicopter carrier. For there are no finishers.

            Or is it a light aircraft carrier? At the same time, rumors spread about the "resuscitation" of two projects of the YAK design bureau ... Yak-44 and Yak-141
            1. Avior
              Avior 22 January 2021 10: 28
              +3
              Yak-44 for catapults, so it disappears.
              A VTOL aircraft would have gone to Kuznetsov, he was built for them in the first place.
              1. svp67
                svp67 22 January 2021 10: 33
                0
                Quote: Avior
                Yak-44 for catapults, so it disappears.

                But his model was tried on on his deck ...
                1. Avior
                  Avior 22 January 2021 10: 56
                  +3
                  The dimensions were checked. This is exactly a layout, not a prototype.
                  Yak44 was prepared for Ulyanovsk, which was supposed to have catapults. There was not enough time, Ulyanovsk had already been laid, and the catapult was practically made, but they did not have time to launch the plane from it.
                  The saddest thing is that after the accident, they stopped working with the Yak-141, since Sukhoi and MiG were able to convince that this was not necessary, since their new aircraft fly without it. In fact, on Kuznetsov, the main ones were supposed to be the Yak-141.
                  But everything did not go as planned: ((
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 22 January 2021 15: 19
                    0
                    Quote: Avior
                    Yak-44 for catapults, so it disappears.

                    The designers argued that the afterburner D-27 engines were supposed to provide takeoff from a springboard.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 22 January 2021 15: 36
                      +2
                      Approved. They tried to do it in different ways. Including for takeoff from a springboard with 6 engines or with two D-27s. It did not come to the construction of the aircraft, and after the closure of the Ulyanovsk project, the Yak-44 project was closed.
            2. donavi49
              donavi49 22 January 2021 10: 32
              +7
              These are rumors. The process of their recreation will be comparable in labor costs to the creation of a new aircraft. Everything is there for replacement. Starting from drives ending with avionics. Because of not only old age, but the banal death of a part of enterprises that have not yet been developed or have already been curtailed. Well, thanks to advances in computer technology (virtual blowdowns), control in unstable modes, well, new materials, new equipment (often less voluminous), making a new glider is fully justified for the growth of flight characteristics, and also for stealth for delivery.

              There are rumors, and possibly some kind of work, about the creation of a new VTOL aircraft, taking into account the experience gained earlier, as well as world analogues (well, such as not worse than the F-35 to be). But this is at the pre-offer stage.
              1. Avior
                Avior 22 January 2021 11: 23
                +3
                To create a new glider, and not only a glider, for the production of five aircraft, in my opinion, will be very expensive.
                It is necessary to either adapt the existing one or make it massively, not only as a deck drone.
                1. donavi49
                  donavi49 22 January 2021 12: 18
                  +4
                  Well, we are talking about VTOL aircraft - Yak-141. There will be more than 5 pieces. And again, in theory, you can sell. For example, Turkey or Egypt. If you completely go into unscientific fiction, then you can do not a joint project, but with mutual outsourcing on V / STOL with the Chinese, who are also either already developing or shaping the look / R&D for their own VTOL aircraft. Thus, to lower the development cost.

                  Deck AWACS is a dead topic and it is not even poked with a stick. And does it make sense? It's a helicopter, at least. In the near future, this is the UAV niche. Which will be able to fly for 30-40 hours in the desired square, be more compact and more adapted to aircraft carrier conditions.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 22 January 2021 12: 44
                    +2
                    I understood that the new glider is a drlo.
                    For svvp, you need to do everything from scratch. Especially taking into account the experience of the f-35v.
                    And this aircraft will have market prospects.
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 22 January 2021 17: 49
                    -2
                    Ours will be limited to a vertical takeoff drone - it seems like a few years ago they announced the beginning of the development of such an aircraft.
      4. japan-k
        japan-k 22 January 2021 10: 54
        +2
        So later you will say that pensions are small, but we are building aircraft carriers for billion
        Like you, that passive is bad policy, that active, what do not do, everything will be bad
      5. businessv
        businessv 22 January 2021 15: 58
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        The problem is that this is an inherently passive position. Wars are usually lost when a side bets on defense, the most impregnable defense.

        Cool said! The whole post is to the point! good
      6. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 22 January 2021 18: 52
        -1
        Quote: donavi49
        If it is active, then we need aircraft carriers, means of projection of force, and a strong fleet even as part of a couple of combined strike groups.


        And you also need a lot of money, industry, and, God forgive me, science.
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  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 22 January 2021 09: 12
    +16
    A sketch of a promising aircraft carrier from the Nevsky PKB was called "fantasies" in the US press
    The rarest case when it remains only to agree with the "US press".
    1. Cympak
      Cympak 22 January 2021 15: 21
      +2
      Nevskoe PKYu managed to mess up wherever possible
      They managed to put on the aircraft carrier pr. 1143 outdated AK-726, which were abandoned due to low performance characteristics and
      were not supposed to be put on new ships
      Extremely unsuccessful large landing craft project 1174
      BDK pr.11711 - "forgot" about demagnetization
      They tried, under the guise of a new aircraft carrier of the "Manatee" project, to slip the old Project 11437 "Ulyanovsk", replacing the superstructure with a new one with a fashionable "tower".
  4. novel66
    novel66 22 January 2021 09: 13
    -2
    AWACS even in the picture is missing, a trend. However...
    1. bayard
      bayard 22 January 2021 09: 48
      0
      Two EM catapults have been drawn, which means maybe there was not enough paint for the AWACS plane.
      What is especially striking is the elongated landing deck. And at a smaller angle to the axis of the ship than classic (American) aircraft carriers. The rest of the topic is incomprehensible.
      Will it be atomic?
      With VI 45 tons?
      With an icebreaker-type hull?
      If for the Arctic Ocean?
      1. novel66
        novel66 22 January 2021 09: 58
        -2
        the operation of aviks in the ice ocean is hardly possible, because how to deal with the icing of the deck and aircraft on it is not clear
        1. bayard
          bayard 22 January 2021 10: 01
          +4
          Quote: novel xnumx
          because how to deal with the icing of the deck and aircraft on it is not clear

          Sprinkle with salt, sprinkle with alcohol or, at worst, heat it with a nuclear reactor.
          There are no unsolvable problems. soldier bully
          1. novel66
            novel66 22 January 2021 10: 04
            +1
            yeah, make a cap on the flight deck, and two holes - one for takeoff, the other for landing
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 22 January 2021 12: 08
              +1
              For planting two! Anti-aircraft carrier is healthy !! hi
              1. novel66
                novel66 22 January 2021 12: 25
                +1
                hello chubby! two are not allowed, confusing
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 22 January 2021 12: 26
                  +1
                  What about an emergency landing?
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 22 January 2021 12: 26
                    0
                    just overboard
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 22 January 2021 12: 27
                      +1
                      For the plundering of national property .... at least execution shines !!!
          2. kig
            kig 22 January 2021 10: 32
            -2
            Quote: novel xnumx
            the operation of aviks in the Arctic Ocean is hardly possible, because how to deal with the icing of the deck and aircraft on it is not clear

            Not even icing. How, interestingly, will it accelerate to 30 knots in ice?
            1. Avior
              Avior 22 January 2021 11: 05
              +6
              There is not ice everywhere, because
              and not always
            2. Serg65
              Serg65 22 January 2021 12: 10
              +3
              Quote: kig
              How, interestingly, will it accelerate to 30 knots in ice?

              There are two icebreakers ahead .... atomic-powered ones! yes
            3. bayard
              bayard 22 January 2021 17: 41
              +1
              Quote: kig

              Not even icing. How, interestingly, will it accelerate to 30 knots in ice?

              There is nothing easier - we turn on the reactor at full power, heat the ocean, drown the ice, after which we accelerate to at least 50 knots, if only the air group is not blown off the deck by the oncoming stream.
              Nuclear energy is a terrible force, without it there is nothing in the north.
          3. Serg65
            Serg65 22 January 2021 12: 07
            +5
            Quote: bayard
            sprinkle with alcohol

            am Hands off alcohol !!! This is not your toy! angry
            1. bayard
              bayard 22 January 2021 16: 49
              +1
              If you think over the drain gutters and tanks for collecting the resulting mixture ... with the right filtration ... everything will go! bully
              But it will be a drunken aircraft carrier. repeat
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 22 January 2021 10: 37
          +7
          Quote: novel xnumx
          the operation of aviks in the ice ocean is hardly possible, because how to deal with the icing of the deck and aircraft on it is not clear

          Coral Sea:

          "Karl Vinson":
          1. novel66
            novel66 22 January 2021 11: 31
            0
            Is it all in the Arctic Ocean? other conditions, mabut
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 22 January 2021 12: 11
              +5
              Quote: novel xnumx
              other conditions, mabut

              tires ..... winter !!!
              1. novel66
                novel66 22 January 2021 12: 24
                0
                on whom??? nothing ...
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 22 January 2021 12: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  on whom???

                  On an aircraft carrier laughing
                  1. novel66
                    novel66 22 January 2021 12: 27
                    0
                    and not semiconductors?
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 22 January 2021 12: 28
                      +1
                      half is alien to us!
                      1. novel66
                        novel66 22 January 2021 12: 38
                        +1
                        well, it's not for nothing that the brain and ... the antipode are divided into halves
                      2. Serg65
                        Serg65 22 January 2021 12: 41
                        +2
                        semiconductor and half-brain ........ but won't this lead to a half-aircraft carrier?
                      3. novel66
                        novel66 22 January 2021 12: 47
                        0
                        so, and they'll build half a fuck
                      4. Serg65
                        Serg65 22 January 2021 12: 49
                        +1
                        who knows, my friend, who knows!
                      5. novel66
                        novel66 22 January 2021 13: 04
                        -1
                        so to know .. it is necessary to buy from the Chinese
                      6. Serg65
                        Serg65 22 January 2021 13: 13
                        +1
                        Do not rush Roma, our knowledge is so scarce that in a couple of years you are amazed ... wink
    2. Ugochaves
      Ugochaves 23 January 2021 02: 16
      0
      Spike drives wassat
  5. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 22 January 2021 12: 18
    0
    Quote: novel xnumx
    Is it all in the Arctic Ocean? other conditions, mabut

    Either the Bering Sea or the Norwegian Arctic.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 22 January 2021 10: 44
    +4
    Quote: bayard
    Will it be atomic?
    With VI 45 tons?
    With an icebreaker-type hull? ...

    Most likely, it is OH will not be at all.
    Pictures for "Technicians-youth" of the 70s - 80s
    1. novel66
      novel66 22 January 2021 11: 30
      +2
      scrupulously noticed !!! good
  • nnm
    nnm 22 January 2021 09: 18
    +7
    As it seems to me, first you need to decide on the priorities: 1. What is more necessary for the fleet in the first place - 10 frigates and corvettes, submarines or 1 aircraft carrier. 2. Why do we need aircraft carriers? - ready to project force, ready to build a series, ready to create an aviation component, etc. ... that is. understand what we want to get in the end. And not just "what would have happened."
    And then build. But R&D, of course, must be financed in any case, because this is a reserve for the future, at least
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 22 January 2021 09: 28
      0
      Quote: nnm
      What is more necessary for the fleet in the first place - 10 frigates and corvettes, submarines or 1 aircraft carrier.
      10 frigates, PLUS a couple of submarines, PLUS 1 aircraft carrier and a bunch of "pluses" for this pile (order) to "take off".
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 22 January 2021 09: 22
    0
    Touches: The Russian defense industry has long been famous for its innovative thinking and design work. But she is equally famous for the excessive hype around new projects and systems that are unlikely to ever be implemented and go into service.- whose cow would bellow. How much they glorified both the F-35 and the "unique" destroyer Zumwalt, but in reality it turned out to be a puff, which cost a huge pile of dough thrown into the wind.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 22 January 2021 09: 48
      -5
      a bunch of dough thrown into the wind.

      -about SP2 they also said: all costs went through Russian suppliers of pipes, etc. EVERYTHING PAYED OFF. ostensibly. and the Americans are also happy - "walk wherever you want, and all the money is in the family"
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 22 January 2021 15: 26
      +1
      Quote: Mykhalych
      and the "unique" destroyer Zumwalt, but in reality it turned out to be a puff, which cost a huge heap of dough thrown into the wind.

      What are you ??? His gun shoots 152mm gold-platinum shells with inlaid Swarof crystals ... laughing
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 22 January 2021 17: 19
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        shoots gold-platinum shells 152mm inlaid with Swarof crystals ...

        Ooooo ... greedy! crystals of swarovski ... and bryuliki with emeralds and rubies !? - That is why there is not enough money for a decent avik !!! laughing
  • faiver
    faiver 22 January 2021 09: 34
    0
    Does this option have the expected performance characteristics?
  • RUSS
    RUSS 22 January 2021 09: 35
    -6
    This is already in the account what model of the aircraft carrier?))))
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 22 January 2021 09: 37
    +6
    The Russian defense industry has long been famous for its innovative thinking and design work. But she is equally famous for the excessive hype around new projects and systems that are unlikely to ever be implemented and go into service.
    .

    for Americans everything goes according to the same scheme with the same stages

    1) it is not serious and cannot be implemented.
    2) these are only cartoons, but in reality they do not exist.
    3) it exists in reality, but the developments were stolen from the United States.
    4) This is a concern and money needs to be allocated to develop this for the US Army.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 22 January 2021 09: 58
      +8
      5) we will impose sanctions on this, because the United States does not have this
      6) This is followed by attempts by any means to strangle or stop production
  • jovanni
    jovanni 22 January 2021 09: 46
    +3
    The Russian defense industry has long been famous for its innovative thinking and design work. But she is equally famous for the excessive hype around new projects and systems that are unlikely to ever be implemented and go into service.

    Not in the eyebrow, so in the eye. What we can do, we can ...
  • Tuzik
    Tuzik 22 January 2021 09: 50
    +6
    there is not even an image of a pipe for a supposedly non-nuclear power plant, and the location of the pipes determines the layout of the flight deck
    even in WWII, the Japs did not have pipes, they were diverted through the side,
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 22 January 2021 09: 57
    0
    Yes, it is high time to come to a common denominator, whether you need an aircraft carrier fleet or not.
    "Kuznetsov" is certainly no longer a combat unit, but as a training ship it can be operated (if you build an aircraft carrier fleet).
  • Antokha
    Antokha 22 January 2021 10: 03
    +4
    Yes, good. Everyone does their job. The designers create concepts, the state studies them, taking its time to start the program. The money will appear, there will be no need to carry out design work in an emergency. I admit that the fleet can give designers and hint what properties they want to see in the new aircraft carrier. And Kuznetsov is being repaired correctly. It must serve until a replacement is built.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 22 January 2021 10: 07
    +4
    = The Russian defense industry has a long history of innovative thinking and design work. =
    = In the picture, the author emphasizes, there is not even an image of a pipe for a supposedly non-nuclear power plant, and the location of the pipes determines the layout of the flight deck. =
    The poor fellow was completely at a loss, - he knows that "... is famous for innovative thinking ..." and suddenly - "there is no pipe" (!!!) Well, it's just uzhos-uzhos. laughing
    But here it calms itself down - = If Russia builds a new aircraft carrier (without a pipe laughing ), then only in the future. =
    Well, it is clear that in the future. Today's Russia cannot build an aircraft carrier in the past.
  • Runway
    Runway 22 January 2021 10: 20
    +1
    The Yankees fired excellently.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 22 January 2021 10: 46
    0
    Unfortunately, this time I agree with the mattress magazine ..... (
  • japan-k
    japan-k 22 January 2021 10: 57
    +4
    Who knows, with such a rapid development of missile, hypersonic weapons, maybe in 5-10 years they will not be needed at all. Only if against third world countries. Although, if you look, they have not been used even against countries such as North Korea or Iran, let alone countries with more advanced armed forces.
  • Linxs
    Linxs 22 January 2021 11: 05
    -2
    Quote: Mykhalych
    How much they glorified both the F-35 and the "unique" destroyer Zumwalt, but in reality it turned out to be a puff, which cost a huge pile of dough thrown into the wind.

    Only there are a few buts.
    1. They completed the project.
    2. With f 35, count the number of products under construction and already finished products.
    3. Development of technologies.
    4. Backlog for the future.
    5. Training of personnel.
    6. We would like to throw money away, and not build stillborn projects of SP2.
    1. japan-k
      japan-k 22 January 2021 11: 13
      +1
      with the F-35 and stealth technologies in general, it can be the same thing as with aircraft carriers. Taking into account the constantly developing technologies of aviation and radars of air defense systems, it is not at all a fact that they will be invisible in 3-5-7 years. The S-500 technologies are classified, but with a high degree of probability they are already quite capable of seeing these aircraft.
      1. Linxs
        Linxs 22 January 2021 11: 19
        +4
        How was it built with 500?
        Immediately after c300 or after Pechora?
        Or s500 is the result of painstaking work and gradual development.


        Can any state boast the same system? No, what is it?
        Maybe a "school" of scientists can be built in a month or two?
        No? What is ...
      2. Avior
        Avior 22 January 2021 11: 26
        +4
        And what happened to the aircraft carriers? Half of the world rushed to build, as if undermined in one form or another. The further, the more.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 22 January 2021 17: 53
          0
          Yes, let them build - in Russia they will build coastal and sea-based hypersonic anti-ship missiles, as well as medium-range anti-ship ballistic missiles - one hit and cover all eggs along with a floating basket - cheap and effective.
          1. Avior
            Avior 22 January 2021 20: 19
            +2
            To date, the main problem of the PCR is the GOS.
            No breakthrough
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 January 2021 17: 25
      +3
      Quote: LinxS
      do not build stillborn SP2 projects.

      You are as far from geopolitics as I am from ballet! bully
  • APASUS
    APASUS 22 January 2021 11: 22
    0
    I look at the sketch there is no springboard, so let's go along the American path with a catapult
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 22 January 2021 17: 31
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      I look at the sketch there is no springboard, so let's go along the American path with a catapult

      Most likely takeoff from the EMC, and landing on the deck of the VTOL aircraft will be helicopter-like. And there will be one dvigun. Borisov once mentioned this somehow ... Therefore, it remains to wait 5-7 years - and there will be a "miracle" for everyone (the main thing is that then IT does not become YUDA!)
  • Growlers
    Growlers 22 January 2021 12: 28
    +4
    Anglo-Saxon snobbery shows through ... If they don't do that, then it's not right ...
  • gloomy
    gloomy 22 January 2021 12: 29
    0
    You and "Dagger" was a cartoon. It will be a laugh if they take it and build it. Although for a long time the word "expert" evokes a strong association with the expression "British scientists".
  • Andrey.AN
    Andrey.AN 22 January 2021 13: 02
    0
    The superstructure was moved away from the landing strip, it is clear why. It's unclear why everyone else is pushing closer.
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 23 January 2021 00: 26
      0
      their superstructure is connected to the chimneys, and the engines are heavy and therefore only work in the middle .... only stupid Americans ..... having seen such a layout did not understand that it was atomic
  • fif21
    fif21 22 January 2021 14: 04
    +2
    The Atlantic and Pacific Ocean are promising sea theaters. So far Russia cannot afford to declare itself in these places with a surface fleet. Even from the experience of the Second World War it is clear that the greatest success was achieved by the German submarine forces, and not by the surface fleet. And for aviation there are land variants of "unsinkable aircraft carriers" - Crimea, Novaya Zemlya, Kuriles and Kuril Islands, Cuba ... Well, promising aircraft carrier designs are needed, new (safe) concepts of landing and takeoff, nuclear power plants, security are needed. There will be something to offer India or China (there is demand, there must be supply) hi
    1. denk20
      denk20 22 January 2021 16: 18
      0
      The entire Atlantic Ocean is visible. But how many satellites do you need to view the entire Quiet?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 January 2021 17: 55
      0
      For that, Russia is already declaring itself in the Arctic with the help of new icebreakers, including combat ones.
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  • denk20
    denk20 22 January 2021 16: 14
    0
    You need as many drawings and projects as possible! When it comes to building, so that in series, everything will be ready!
    1. agond
      agond 22 January 2021 17: 55
      +1
      There is a constant idea of ​​the need for an aircraft carrier, and how many times it has been written that the country has neither extra resources nor time, nor even if suddenly aircraft carriers were available, then the country does not even have a suitable place on the map where it could be built for them non-freezing base.
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 22 January 2021 18: 02
    0
    Yes, this is a barge! Her (His) TAVKR is still, the submarine pulls by the towing rope. No noise, no dust!
  • Evgeny Seleznev
    Evgeny Seleznev 22 January 2021 20: 00
    +3
    Here, as if not sad, the Americans are right cheap and noisy presentations of the wunderwolf. Without a hint of the future. Needless to say, this vinaigrette with corvettes, where everyone is better and stronger than the previous one.
  • JD1979
    JD1979 22 January 2021 20: 15
    +1
    Coming soon on Lego boxes.
  • looker-on
    looker-on 22 January 2021 20: 43
    +2
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Well, there is no that grace, sea beauty inherent in Soviet ships. The ship should be like the woman I saw for the first time, and she enchanted you

    It's true! For all my not love for the ranks - the ships were a feast for the eyes! "Kirov" series is simply breathtaking
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 22 January 2021 21: 24
    +1
    And the battle rushed again ... And polemic battles nothing.
    What the hell are aircraft carriers ... request
    The A40 boosters cannot be sent to Novorossiysk for the second year. Aircraft carriers ...
    How many years will the Kerch UDC be built ... A big question. With such a supply, management at the SZ, remuneration and attitude to employees ... I can't see it.
    What is reported to you beautifully and what is happening on the real pr-ve. Two big differences. You cannot go far on the enthusiasm and bare consciousness of the workers.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 23 January 2021 00: 24
    0
    Kuzya is not outdated by itself, the concept of its application in the conditions of the Russian Federation, now and in the next couple of decades, is outdated, namely, the absence of orders and tasks for him, and a new one to build is generally a prohibitive amount, this is a pipe fantasy
  • Grits
    Grits 23 January 2021 02: 17
    +1
    This is exactly the case when you can completely agree with American experts on everything.
  • brostem_2019
    brostem_2019 23 January 2021 03: 56
    +1
    No matter how we break spears here and think about the beauty of the aircraft carrier's lines, the presence of pipes and radars, in one thing the Americans are fatally right. THIS IS FANTASTIC ..
    It is a pity for the aircraft carrier "Kuznetsov", it is a pity that Russia will not have them, not because they are not needed, or there is no money for them, but because there is no ideology cementing all people of the state.
    Recently, out of the corner of my eye, I saw the end of the film, I did not remember the title. There, geologists somewhere in the north were looking for minerals, and the second nearly froze to death, barely returning to the camp. So, people in inhuman conditions, in the cold, like children, sincerely rejoiced at the news that Gagarin flew into space.
    What can we ALL together now be happy about?
    I recently caught myself thinking that something is missing in the broadcasting grid in winter .... Winter Olympic Games. Zero, somewhere between 10-12 remember. When we rejoiced at our athletes who stood on the pedestal. And the flag and the anthem. And now, in principle, I don’t want to watch them.
    There is an expression "Without a homeland and a flag." So you feel exactly like that, looking at what is happening now in sports at the world level in relation to your Motherland.

    According to the news summary, everything is fine in Russia .........
  • Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 23 January 2021 06: 38
    +2
    Well then - mr. David Ax is 146% right ... yes
  • Ivan Polozhy
    Ivan Polozhy 23 January 2021 21: 48
    -1
    Today, only eccentric dreamers and hardened adventurers can talk about the construction of aircraft carriers in Russia. Moreover, the latter use the energy of the former. Not needed, we cannot, there is nothing to equip.
    It's better to cut a lot of dough on less loud projects. And it will be like at the Vostochny cosmodrome. Already the fourth mowing is done, and the number of those who want to steal everything does not decrease.
  • Roman Kutsov
    Roman Kutsov 25 January 2021 12: 52
    -1
    At AvtoVAZ they painted there they know how to draw and nothing else
  • sirim
    sirim 1 March 2021 21: 31
    0
    How many years do the models of aircraft carriers show ?! It's not even funny, but yachts for half a billion dollars - no problem! And this is in crisis. What is being built for the Navy is tears, ships, from which NATO is supposedly in mortal shock.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 10 March 2021 13: 04
    0
    And great shipbuilders came running. Guys, this is a sketch and nothing more, a picture.
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