The MiG Corporation has developed and patented a system that prevents the fighter from getting into a tailspin

The MiG Corporation has developed and patented a complex system that limits the maximum permissible aircraft loads and prevents the aircraft from getting into a spin. This was reported by the press service of the UAC.

The corporation explained that the new system consists of two parts that do not allow the plane to get into a spin. The system has been patented and is already being installed on the MiG-35 and MiG-29M / M2 aircraft, which significantly improved the tactical and technical characteristics of fighters.

The first of its component parts allows the pilot to remain within the permissible angles of attack with any action of the control stick, excluding the aircraft getting into a spin. The purpose of creating the second is to preserve the maximum permissible overload of a combat vehicle when maneuvering in all planes

- said in a statement.

It is noted that work on the new system was carried out for five years, tests were carried out on a variety of flight modes, the system has proven its usefulness, while not deteriorating the technical properties of aircraft.

The press service of the UAC recalled that the previous models of limiting mode limiters were mechanical and did not allow the pilot to fully control the exit of the aircraft to the maximum operating mode of the aircraft. The new system allows for any flight mode to remain within the permissible overload indicators.

Comments

[venik]

"... The new system allows, in any flight mode, to remain within the permissible overload indicators. ...."
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That's what definitely DOES NOT HINDER! For such a super-maneuverable machine like the MiG - "what the doctor ordered"!

[Aerodrome]

it seemed that with the advent of OVT engines, this problem disappeared ...

[venik]

Quote: Aerodrome

it seemed that with the advent of OVT engines, this problem disappeared ...

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Unfortunately no! Rather, even on the contrary: the maneuverability has increased dramatically, and with this the risk (in the event of a pilot error) to get into a "supercritical" state ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Aerodrome

it seemed that with the advent of OVT engines, this problem disappeared ...

Quote: venik

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Unfortunately no! Rather, even on the contrary: the maneuverability has increased dramatically, and with this the risk (in the event of a pilot error) to get into a "supercritical" state ...

Actually, it's great that the automatics took care of preventing the plane from stalling, but the nuance is also that in order to maintain super-maneuverability, the system settings should not be overly and excessively strict, otherwise the fighter will become too "imposing".

[venik]

Quote: Insurgent

Actually, it's great that the automatics took care of preventing the plane from stalling, but the nuance is also that in order to maintain super-maneuverability, the system settings should not be overly and excessively strict, otherwise the fighter will become too "imposing".

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There was already such a precedent once: The MiG-23MLD was equipped with a system to prevent "stalling" in critical flight modes (still electromechanical). Then there were fears (and not unfounded!) That it would limit the maneuverability of the aircraft .... Alas, the MiG-23MLD turned out to be the most nimble from the whole family (at the same time - and the accident rate - has sharply decreased!) ..... The reason was that the pilots stopped being afraid maneuver on modes close to criticalrealizing that "the system will not allow"!

[Insurgent]

Quote: venik

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There was already such a precedent once: The MiG-23MLD was equipped with a system to prevent "stalling" in critical flight modes (still electromechanical). There were fears that it would limit the maneuverability of the aircraft ... Alas, the MiG-23MLD turned out to be the most agile of the entire family (and the accident rate dropped sharply!) ..... The reason was that the pilots were no longer afraid to maneuver on modes close to critical, realizing that "the system will not allow"!

Well, if the MiG corporation can (could) observe all the subtleties, then why not?
I'm only for improvements

[venik]

Quote: Insurgent

Well, if the MiG corporation can (could) observe all the subtleties, then why not?
I'm only for improvements

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Let's hope, all the more since they have (positive!) Experience in this matter, as you can see - "not to take"!

[Ka-52]

Actually, it's great that the automatics took care of preventing the plane from stalling, but the nuance is also that in order to maintain super-maneuverability, the system settings should not be overly and excessively strict, otherwise the fighter will become too "imposing".

the automatics do not counteract the transition to sliding and stalling. Where do you write all this here ??? The machine warns through the viprosignalizer about the danger of stalling.
The stall prevention automatic instructs the stick to dive away from itself in order to increase ground speed and interrupt the stall transition. But such a system is not installed on all aircraft. And it is understandable why

[Errr]

Quote: Aerodrome

it seemed that with the advent of OVT engines, this problem disappeared ...

Here is another:

Limiting mode limiterinstalled on previous models of fighters - MiG-23 and MiG-29, - was mechanical. The aircraft control stick was automatically pushed back as soon as the maximum angle of attack was reached... This prevented the pilot from fully controlling the exit of the aircraft to the maximum operating mode. Thanks to the modernized systems, the pilot will be able to stay within the permissible overload parameters in any flight mode.

Source: https://www.aex.ru/news/2021/1/21/222234/
Here, obviously, a new software gadget appeared. Now the control stick will not irritate the pilot's hand with its jolts. It's just that when the maximum flight parameters are reached, the EDSU itself will stop building them. Smart, however.

[Ka-52]

it seemed that with the advent of OVT engines, this problem disappeared ...

and how does OVT sideways to prevent slipping and stalling situations?

[Jcvai]

For UB options - great.
As for the "clean" fighters and interceptors, it would be nice to implement the shutdown option: dog dumps in modern combat aviation are of little relevance, but the stock will not hurt, maybe a "controlled spin" will come in handy.

[Andrey.AN]

It’s probably too early to say about "dog dumps ... It will not always work to prevent approach and maneuvering with a loss of speed. Especially if you noticed each other at a short distance, at low altitude with a short radio horizon, or in the mountains. And it is obvious that a melee missile will deploy if it is faster, then its target tracking resource will be bent.

[Jcvai]

Undoubtedly, it is difficult to accurately predict the actual combat applications. But statistically, most tasks, taking into account performance characteristics and speeds in particular, are most likely to be solved at a long distance.

[Andrey.AN]

Probably you will agree that the statistics were not built correctly enough, mainly on operations in which there was a clear advantage of one reconnaissance over another, this advantage is now leveled by many.

[3danimal]

Therefore, the pilot launches the DB missile not at the maximum distance, but approximately at half (or closer) of it at a maneuverable target. To have a large supply of energy for maneuvers.

[Andrey.AN]

There is a difference between the one who sent the rocket forward and the one who sent it forward to turn back. You can't let it go up, like from a ship, any scrap will be broken by an air stream at the exit from the nest.

[3danimal]

AIM-9x (v2) are extremely maneuverable and almost immune to LTZ. They can turn back.
But the F-16/18/35 at the beginning of the battle will definitely be on a collision course - there will be an exchange of launches with MD missiles, here a lot depends on the missiles (and, of course, the pilot, his training).
Next, a battle will start on 1 circle / 2 circles, where Mig, in the presence of engines with OBT, will have an advantage in maneuver.
But again, a lot will depend on the pilot and the group tactics (most likely not a single meeting).

[venik]

Quote: JcVai

As for the "clean" fighters and interceptors, it would be nice to implement the shutdown option:

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Well, as far as I know, on the MiG-23MLD, such a possibility was provided ... As a matter of fact, the system worked there only in those flight modes when there was a danger unintentional dumpingI ..... And so, to enter "MLD" in a "controlled spin" - it seems like there were no problems.

[wow]

Previously, in the 70-80s, we had a tactile alarm on our IA machines, they lightly hit the handle, at max. permissible angle of attack.

[voyaka uh]

When the F-80 with such a system appeared in the early 16s, the Israeli aces of the Mirages
and Kfirov swore a lot:
"They don't trust us, they don't let us do anything, their hands are tied."

[Lord of the Sith]

In the photo there are predators))
I saw a mig-29 in flight, the car is impressive)))

[3danimal]

It lacks an uninterrupted flashlight, like the F-16. This makes surveillance at the BVB very easy.