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Was the assassination of the Duke of Enghien the cause of the 1805 war?

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Was the assassination of the Duke of Enghien the cause of the 1805 war?

"Three foggy days ..."



Since 1803, Napoleon Bonaparte has been preparing an invasion of England. He believed that "three foggy days" would give the French ships the opportunity to elude the English and land on the shores of England.

Did the British believe in the possible success of the French? Undoubtedly. If from the very beginning of the preparations they ridiculed the actions of Napoleon, then from the end of 1803 they had no time for laughter. Decisive action was required.

The Chouan chieftain Cadudal was an ardent opponent of Bonaparte and had the greatest hatred for him. He often visited London, where he had conversations with Charles d'Artois, who was the brother of the future King Louis XVIII. The British government soon realized that the royalists were plotting yet another conspiracy. Realizing that they could not displace Bonaparte through an uprising, they decided to kill him.

The Chuan have already attempted to assassinate Napoleon using the "infernal machine". Now the conspirators have chosen a different method. It was assumed that Kadudal and several other people would attack the First Consul when he rode on horseback near his country palace. The conspirators also managed to enlist the support of Generals Moreau and Pishegru.

But their plan never materialized. Thanks to the quality work of the French police, the conspiracy was uncovered. In February 1804, Moreau and Pishegru were arrested, and a few days before the execution of the Duke of Enghien, Cadudal was arrested.

The arrest and execution of the duke


The French government managed to establish during interrogations that after the assassination of Bonaparte, a "French prince" should have appeared in France, "but he is not there yet." It seems that the name of this prince was kept in deep secrecy, for none of the conspirators knew him (or simply did not want to speak).

The Duke of Enghien was more suited to this role than anyone else. At this time, he lived in the city of Ettenheim, which was part of the Baden Elector's Office. The main agitator for the arrest of the duke was French Foreign Minister Talleyrand. He considered the execution of the duke profitable for himself, since he wanted to prove to Napoleon his zeal in protecting his life, and also wanted to terrorize the royalists with this execution, still fearing for his fate in the event of the restoration of the Bourbons.


Duke of Enghien

The situation with Talleyrand after the return of the old dynasty to the French throne is noteworthy. In 1818, the father of the murdered duke arrived in Paris. A meeting was to take place between them. Talleyrand, wasting no time, makes acquaintance with a woman close to the prince and tells her that it was he who tried to stop Bonaparte in his desire to execute the duke, that it was he who sent a note to the duke asking him to save himself, etc. The prince, oddly enough, believed. At the meeting, he rushed to thank Talleyrand for his "heroic" behavior.

On March 15, 1804, the house of the Duke of Enghien was surrounded by gendarmes. His armed servants wanted to resist, but it was obvious that the fight was useless. Already on March 20, he was taken to the Vincennes castle near Paris. On the same day, the trial of the duke began. He was found guilty of complicity in a conspiracy against the First Consul. On March 21, he was shot.

Reaction to murder and aftermath


In France, this event did not cause much excitement. If they spoke on this matter, then only with the support of the first consul. A rather eminent representative of the old nobility said:

Do the Bourbons think they will be allowed to plot with impunity? The First Consul is mistaken if he thinks that the non-emigrated hereditary nobility is so interested in the Bourbons. Didn't they treat Biron and my ancestor and so many others?

It was impossible to sit idly by while they constantly organize assassination attempts on you. Bourbons sowed troubles and conspiracies with enviable regularity. Historian Frederic Masson wrote:

He had to hit so hard that London and Edinburgh would finally understand that this was not a game. He had to strike openly, so that the dukes and the Comte d'Artois, seeing the royal blood flowing, would think for a moment.

But the assassination of the Duke of Enghien became a real holiday for the Russian emperor Alexander I, who has been since 1803 (I refer the reader to my previous article “For whose interests Russia fought against Napoleon? ”) Began to form a coalition against France. The murder was the perfect pretext for starting a war.

Alexander approved the note of the Resident Minister Klupfel to the Sejm of the German Empire in Regensburg on April 20. It said:

The event that recently took place in the possession of His Grace the Elector of Baden and which ended so sadly, deeply saddened the Emperor of All Russia. Naturally, he was very upset by this encroachment on the peace and territorial integrity of Germany. E.I. V-vo was all the more depressed by this because he could in no way expect that the power that mediated with him and, therefore, undertook to share with him his concerns about the welfare and tranquility of the German Empire, would be able to do so deviate from the sacred principles of international law and from its recent obligations.

E. I. In-in, undertaking a demarche dictated by considerations that are of paramount importance for the welfare of the German Empire, he is convinced that the Imperial Diet is just like the head of the empire, giving due to his cares, as disinterested as they are absolutely necessary , will immediately join him and will not hesitate to file their just protest with the French government in order to induce it to agree to all measures and demarches that it will have to take to satisfy the insulted dignity of the German Empire and to ensure its future security.

Alas, this proposal did not get the support of the Diet. After the document was read out, the Baden electorate suggested moving on to other issues, without wasting time on extraneous matters. Alexander was perplexed by such a reaction, but did not attach much importance to it, because he counted on support from Austria and Prussia.

Russian Foreign Minister Czartoryski writes to Ambassador Ubri in Paris:

This outrageous act of abuse of power and oblivion of all that is most holy was greeted by the emperor with the indignation he deserves. EI V-vo did not hesitate to express his grief over the death of the Duke of Enghien, declaring mourning at court.

But having paid tribute to the memory of this unfortunate prince, he considered that he would sacrifice his dignity if he did not officially condemn Buonaparte's actions in the face of all of Europe. To this end, Mr. Klupfel was ordered to submit a note to the Sejm in Regensburg, which should notify the imperial states and the head of the empire about the displeasure of our august sovereign over the violation of territorial inviolability and international law that the French government allowed itself in Germany, and also invite them to join to him to claim satisfaction.

E. I. V-vo, however, does not think that he should wait until they join him in order to undertake a demarche before the first consul, which he deemed necessary, and you, my dear sir, should present the note attached here under the letter "A", immediately after receiving it and insist on a quick and categorical answer. And since, given the well-known unbridled temper of Buonaparte, it can be expected that the energetic actions taken by our court in this case can cause any extreme decisions on its part, you, sir, are prescribed in case you receive on your note an answer that is insulting to the emperor, or if you see that they are going to invite you to leave France, or if you find out that General Gedouville will be ordered to leave Russia, then you will hand over the note that you will find in the appendix under the letter "B", and you will demand your passports, giving this demarche the widest possible publicity.


Weeping willow bush at the site of the Duke's execution. 1820s watercolor

Napoleon exploded. He regarded Russia as his potential ally against England. He did everything to make this alliance concluded. During the reign of Paul I, the alliance almost took place, but the palace coup turned Russian politics upside down. Napoleon, even after the death of his friend, did not stop looking at Russia as an ally, but Alexander, driven by his personal hatred for Bonaparte, went to confront him, although our country did not have the slightest reason for this.

After reading the note, Napoleon orders Talleyrand to write a response letter to the Russian government. The minister did his job perfectly by writing a letter with the following content:

The complaint that she (Russia) is making today makes one ask if, when England was plotting the assassination of Paul I, it was possible to find out that the conspirators were one league from the border, would they not hasten to arrest them?

These words were a real slap in the face for Alexander. He was given to understand that he should not be so worried about the situation with the Duke of Enghien while the murderers of Paul I are walking with impunity in Russia. The letter strengthened in Alexander the hatred of Napoleon.

Russian Foreign Minister Czartoryski writes to Ambassador to Vienna Razumovsky:

Monsieur Count, the stubborn silence that the Viennese court has kept for so long about the proposals we made to him regarding an agreement on joint measures with the help of which it would be possible to curb the overstepping all borders and the ever-increasing lust for power of the French government is beginning to surprise the emperor. EI V-in vainly tries to explain this by considerations of caution, which could have been appropriate at a time when they still hoped to return the first consul to greater moderation with condescension and gentleness; but it should no longer take place after the First Consul gave to his plans, aimed at undermining all order and tranquility in Europe, such a terrifying scale, growing every day.

The Ettenheim event and the ensuing atrocity should clearly show all of Germany what to expect from a government that so openly shows disregard for international law and generally recognized principles of justice. Convinced more than ever before in the need to take repressive measures, the Emperor, wishing to end the uncertainty in which he is in relation to the decisions of the Viennese court and more intolerant in the current tense situation, orders V-woo to resume before the Austrian Ministry in the most decisive and categorical form insistence on this subject.

Austria was not eager to engage in a fight with France. As a result, a letter from Franz II came to Petersburg on May 4, where he agreed with all of Alexander's views, but was ready to conclude only a defensive alliance.


Portrait of Alexander I by George Doe. State Art and Architecture Palace and Park Museum-Reserve "Peterhof"

Similar letters with calls to join the anti-French coalition arrived in Berlin, Naples, Copenhagen, Stockholm and even Constantinople.

And yet, the countries did not want to enter a war that was meaningless for them over the murder of a prince. Russia itself was not particularly interested in this. Count Nikolai Rumyantsev said:

... The decisions of His Majesty must obey only state interests and ... considerations of a sentimental order can in no way be admitted as a motive for action ... The tragic event that has taken place does not directly concern Russia, and the honor of the empire is not affected in any way ...

But did Alexander care about the interests of his country? Looks like no.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 20 January 2021 18: 41
    +2
    Quote: "But did Alexander care about the interests of his country? It looks like not." End of quote.
    Here's how. And what is your evidence? And, in general, I wonder what is the purpose of this publication, its relevance? This is usually explained in the introduction. Then the research tasks are formulated and consistently solved. A posthumous analysis of the true, but hidden, motives of the Russian emperor is impossible. It is necessary to refer to the authoritative authors of the available publications. The fact that the war took place after the assassination of the Duke of Enghien does not mean that the war took place as a result of the assassination of the Duke of Enghien. This is a well-known principle.
    Therefore, I state with regret that the topic has not been covered. And how I wanted Alexander the Blessed, together with Napoleon Buonaparte, to carve England and on its own territory. Eh, it didn't grow together!
    1. Monsieur bonapartiste
      20 January 2021 18: 58
      +5
      Good evening.
      Initially, the article was called "The Murder of the Duke of Enghien", and the wording "Was the murder of the Duke of Enghien the cause of the war of 1805" was one of the objectives of the article.
      In the article I wrote in one moment that “I refer the reader to my previous article“ For whose interests did Russia fight against Napoleon? ”There I prove that the wars of 1805-1806-1807 were unleashed by Alexander against the background of hatred for Napoleon, because Russia there was no reason for confrontation.
      In principle, this article is an addition to the above.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 24 January 2021 20: 03
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        Once again, you read it - you are convinced that politics is dirt.
        And where it stinks is especially disgusting - the English are always at the beginning of the chain of events.
    2. Marine engineer
      Marine engineer 21 January 2021 06: 01
      +3
      "Posthumous analysis of the true, but hidden, motives of the Russian emperor is impossible."

      It's a pity, of course, that Alexander did not leave us any opus with the working title "My Struggle", but the results of his confrontation with Napoleon are known - the Bourbons are in Paris and here I agree with the author, the Blessed One was not interested in the country's interests.
      Huge human and material resources were expended to crush Napoleon, in return Russia received the Vienna Congress. The blood of a generation, burnt-out Moscow, upset finances and, as a result, dubious diplomatic "success".
    3. Elturisto
      Elturisto 21 January 2021 13: 14
      -1
      There is still some relevance: the new alexashka, in the interests of foreign agents, sells raw materials and simultaneously destroys the domestic industry. All this is covered up with chatter about patriotism, imperialism, specialness and the like.
  2. Undecim
    Undecim 20 January 2021 18: 57
    +4
    The main agitator for the arrest of the duke was French Foreign Minister Talleyrand.
    This issue is controversial.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 21 January 2021 13: 06
      +2
      This issue is controversial.

      But in the end we have a cult phrase, which was said by Antoine Jacques-Claude Joseph Boulet de la Meurthe: "It's worse than a crime, it's a mistake." what And wrap everything up ... fellow
      1. Lexus
        Lexus 30 January 2021 19: 06
        +5
        Kolya, hello! hi
        Judging by the first picture, they were shooting with the dog, bastards ...
  3. Mother Theresa
    Mother Theresa 20 January 2021 20: 01
    +2
    In my opinion, the Russian Empire in Europe had one interest, maintaining the existing balance of power. As soon as something threatened this balance and forces appeared that could dominate Europe and begin the unification of Europe under its rule, the Republic of Ingushetia immediately tried to resist these forces and destroy them in the bud. And given that the French directory accepted Jan Dombrowski's proposal to create a Polish legion and the soldiers of the legion wore Polish uniforms with French cockades. That efforts directed by Alexander I to create an anti-French coalition are justified.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 21 January 2021 05: 41
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      Quote: Mother Teresa
      In my opinion, the Russian Empire in Europe had one interest, maintaining the existing balance of power. As soon as something threatened this balance and forces appeared that could dominate Europe and begin the unification of Europe under its rule, the Republic of Ingushetia immediately tried to resist these forces and destroy them in the bud. And given that the French directory accepted Jan Dombrowski's proposal to create a Polish legion and the soldiers of the legion wore Polish uniforms with French cockades. That efforts directed by Alexander I to create an anti-French coalition are justified.


      Justified only from the point of view of defense. But it was not at all necessary to strain the whole of Europe and sacrifice the lives of tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people for the sake of some petty prince, who was already dead, and who could no longer be helped.

      Therefore, the attack of Russia and Austria on France after the execution of Condé, I consider subjectivism and voluntarism. Imagine that, for example, in Russia, they finally beat Lesha Navalny (let him actually live a long time). But will this be a valid reason for a new attack by the West on Russia?

      But Alexander I attacked Napoleon precisely because of the execution of the stupid Prince Conde, about whom 99,99% of people in Russia had never heard of.
      1. Cartalon
        Cartalon 21 January 2021 11: 59
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        He attacked to disrupt the landing on the British Isles, if this very landing was successful, Europe would no longer exist, only France.
      2. Mother Theresa
        Mother Theresa 21 January 2021 20: 36
        -1
        Best offense defense. Do not wait for a code, the problem will become threatening. Europe needs to be strained, let it also shed blood.
        Alexander I got the occasion and took advantage of it. Napoleon, by the execution of the prince, also probed public opinion in Europe for reaction. No voluntarism, the circumstances are known, the consequences too. What does it mean they will be beaten, according to the court? We do not have the death penalty. And the murder of Nemtsov on the bridge is not an execution but a crime.
        1. Aleksandr1971
          Aleksandr1971 24 January 2021 03: 49
          -1
          If Navalny is still killed in Russia, then, according to your logic, the West is better off attacking Russia and defeating it, since an attack is better than defense.
          1. Mother Theresa
            Mother Theresa 25 January 2021 20: 48
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            I will repeat myself. What does it mean to be beaten, in court? We do not have the death penalty. And the murder of Nemtsov on the bridge is not an execution but a crime.
            1. Aleksandr1971
              Aleksandr1971 26 January 2021 08: 05
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              You need to chew everything. As if you fell from the moon.

              Of course, Navalny will not be killed by court. An accident or some other cause of death will be rigged. Or a coma. But any smart person will understand that such a future end of Navalny is the result of his political activities.

              Therefore, there is a possibility that unrest will intensify in the country after Navalny's death, and 200-300 thousand protesters will turn into 2-3 million protesters. This will lead to new dispersal of the demonstrators, to criminal cases against the instigators. Although the state coup in Russia will not happen because of the rallies. Still, the Russian corruption elite is monolithic, unlike Ukraine or the former USSR.
              The West will respond to suppressing unrest with sanctions against Russia. In Russia, because of this, the standard of living will continue to decline. And a 65% rise in oil prices will turn into a rise in prices for all consumer goods. Unemployment will rise. And the dollar will be under 100 rubles. And Russia can answer the West with nothing. Only fair accusations of double standards.

              However, the West will not attack Russia for the future assassination of Navalny. However, I hope that Navalny will not be killed, but will be alive, healthy and free.

              The analogy with Engiensky here is that the West reacts negatively to Navalny's persecution. How Europe once reacted negatively to Engienski's persecution. But the difference between that situation and the current one is that Alexander I attacked Napoleon for the murder of Engiensky, although he could have limited himself to a note or some sanctions.
              1. Mother Theresa
                Mother Theresa 26 January 2021 21: 11
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                At first. You need to competently answer the question posed, in a timely manner.
                Secondly, I did not ask you about the situation in the country and about Navalny.
                Thirdly, I don't care about the future end of Navalny and your considerations on the current situation in Russia.
                Fourth, I don't see any analogy with the situation with Navalny and the death of Prince of Engien.
                Fifth, according to your logic, Navalny's death should cause a war between Russia and the West.
                In the sixth, I will repeat myself.
                The Russian Empire in Europe had one interest, maintaining the existing balance of power. As soon as something threatened this balance and forces appeared that could dominate Europe and begin the unification of Europe under its rule, the Republic of Ingushetia immediately tried to resist these forces and destroy them in the bud. And given that the French directory accepted Jan Dombrowski's proposal to create a Polish legion and the soldiers of the legion wore Polish uniforms with French cockades. That efforts directed by Alexander I to create an anti-French coalition are justified.
                1. Aleksandr1971
                  Aleksandr1971 27 January 2021 13: 07
                  +1
                  1. I don't owe you anything. Including, I should not answer your questions at all, because for me you are just one of the readers of this site, like me. You are probably not yourself, since you decided that I need to answer your questions.
                  And about the time of the answer - so you yourself reacted to my answer only two days later. So why should I have been faster?

                  2. You stated that you did not ask me about Navalny. But here is a quote from your question: "I will repeat myself. What does it mean, they will be beaten, in court? We do not have the death penalty. And the murder of Nemtsov on the bridge is not an execution but a crime." This means that you asked me about Navalny. Just don’t push and argue with it.

                  I miss the third.

                  4 and 5. There is an analogy with Navalny and Engiensky. This is a sharply negative reaction from other countries to the tyrant's actions in relation to a specific person. But there is also a difference. The difference is that in the 19th century it led to war, and now, no matter what happens to Navalny, there will be no war because of him.

                  On your 6 point, I have never argued with you.
                  1. Mother Theresa
                    Mother Theresa 27 January 2021 21: 38
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                    1. If you notice it is not about time, but about your unwillingness to clearly formulate your question to get an answer to your question. I have asked twice for clear wording.
                    2. I did not ask about Navalny, I asked about the technique of execution
                    Quote: Aleksandr1971
                    in Russia, they will finally beat Lesha Navalny (let him actually live a long time).
                    you will be more attentive.
                    3. This is your opinion
                    Quote: Aleksandr1971
                    There is an analogy with Navalny and Engiensky. This is a sharply negative reaction from other countries to the tyrant's actions in relation to a specific person.

                    My opinion, which I have repeatedly expressed Russia took advantage of the situation to continue its policy. Just like Austria-Hungary took advantage of the assassination of Franz Ferdinand.
                    4.
                    Quote: Aleksandr1971
                    On your 6 point, I have never argued with you.

                    Argued
                    Quote: Aleksandr1971
                    But Alexander I attacked Napoleon precisely because of the execution of the stupid Prince Conde, about whom 99,99% of people in Russia had never heard of.
  4. vladcub
    vladcub 20 January 2021 20: 43
    +4
    "I wanted to prove to Napoleon his zeal in protecting his life," and which minister did not seek to curry favor with the emperor or king? This is undoubtedly
    With the second part: "I wanted to terrorize the royalists with this execution, still fearing for my fate in the event of the restoration of the Bourbons," I do not quite agree here: to intimidate the royalists is that so, but to stick out in reprisal against the duke? I think he always remembered the return of the Bourbons, and therefore tried not to show very much his cruelty towards the royalists.
    Napoleon knew perfectly well that Talleyrand, to put it mildly, was not the most ardent Bonopartist, but he appreciated Talleyrand's abilities
  5. vladcub
    vladcub 20 January 2021 21: 59
    +4
    "that it was he who sent the note to the Herceg," and theoretically this is plausible. With Talleyrand it would be like that. : "Talleyrand foresaw and prepared the ongoing events, he was ready for them, before anyone else" (Salle, French historian)
  6. Tavrik
    Tavrik 20 January 2021 22: 13
    +1
    Quote: Mother Teresa
    As soon as something threatened this balance and forces appeared that could dominate Europe and begin the unification of Europe under its rule, the Republic of Ingushetia immediately tried to resist these forces and destroy them in the bud.

    I understand that in your opinion the peace-loving Republic of Ingushetia was trying to destroy at least someone in Europe who would threaten a certain European balance of power? And then the questions: "and what for us?"
    Yes, neither Catherine, nor Pavel, nor Alexander thought about the "balance of power". The first in general were "give a damn about" anti-French coalitions, she decided our southern affairs. The second quickly realized that the Austrians and the British were cynically using us in their interests and quickly left the game, and the third generally solved his selfish tasks without thinking about the empire.
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon 21 January 2021 12: 01
      0
      What did you care for Catherine? In fact, she was preparing troops to help Austria.
    2. Mother Theresa
      Mother Theresa 21 January 2021 20: 52
      0
      Do not understand correctly. Not to destroy, but not to allow the strengthening of one of the European countries at the expense of another. As soon as Russia was withdrawn from the solution of European issues, the Second Reich immediately emerged, which became a decisive force in Europe and considered neighbors only in terms of an obedient ally or enemy. As a result, two world wars.
  7. ee2100
    ee2100 20 January 2021 23: 35
    +2
    The article indirectly confirms that the military campaign of 1812, which is called the Patriotic War, is a consequence of Alexander I's personal enmity towards Napoleon.
    1. Aleksandr1971
      Aleksandr1971 21 January 2021 05: 54
      -1
      Quote: ee2100
      The article indirectly confirms that the military campaign of 1812, which is called the Patriotic War, is a consequence of Alexander I's personal enmity towards Napoleon.


      Do not think out for the author of the article.
      The article does not say anywhere about Napoleon's dislike for Alexander I, and not a word is said about the war of 1812 at all.

      And Napoleon attacked Russia in 1812 only because he was going to dominate the whole earth. England after the Trafalgar fiasco was not available to him.
      And only Russia remained on the mainland. There were no personal likes or dislikes. What did the Corsican say before the famous hike? "Only Russia remains. But I will crush it!"
      Napoleon is from the same series as 2-3 dozen other more or less successful contenders for world domination.
      1. Monsieur bonapartiste
        21 January 2021 16: 38
        +4
        In my articles (including my previous one), I specifically did not express my opinion about the war of 1812, since I want to make a separate series of articles on this score.
        Alas, but the phrase "only Russia remained ..." Napoleon did NOT say, it was written already in the era of the Restoration by Abbot de Pradt, who was extremely beneficial to denigrate his Emperor.
        And in general, Bonaparte never wrote or said such phrases, unlike Alexander, whose negative letters about Napoleon can be found from 1801.
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 21 January 2021 13: 09
      +5
      personal dislike of Alexander I to Napoleon

      Alexander remembered the phrase-allusion to the murder of papa for the rest of his life ... Apparently, the Corsican never fully realized this factor. what One gets the impression that Alexander was a political and military enemy for Napoleon, but Bonaparte was an enemy for the tsar. personal, exactly what, on feelings and emotions. angry On the contrary, the situation will repeat itself forty years later in the relationship between Nikolai Pavlovich and Napoleon III. drinks
      1. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov 21 January 2021 15: 15
        +3
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        Alexander remembered the phrase-allusion to the murder of papa for the rest of his life ...

        Good afternoon Nikolai,
        to the question about Alexander: what kind of Order is this Holy Spirit? masons?


        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 21 January 2021 15: 19
          +4
          Order of such a Holy Spirit? masons?

          Sergey, good to see you! drinks Looked at "Vika". This is a French award from the Bourbon era. Granted for the "release from Bopapart." soldier
          I’m wondering something else ... After the murder of papa, did all the awardees continue to wear the Maltese crosses, or did they quickly take them off? what
          1. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov 21 January 2021 15: 21
            +3
            Quote: Pane Kohanku
            This is a French award from the Bourbon era. Granted for the "release from Bopapart"

            Why then such a suit? The tablet speaks of dedication
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 21 January 2021 15: 24
              +5
              Why then such a suit? The tablet speaks of dedication

              Apparently a solemn attire.
              From the wiki:
              For order ceremonies, the knights of the order were supposed to have a long black velvet robe with a gold fringe. The mantle is embroidered with golden tongues of flame and has an embroidered image of the order chain along the entire edge. A large silver star of the order is sewn on the chest (approx. 280 mm). The collar of the green silk mantle, embroidered with silver. Lining of the robe and collar in orange satin.
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov 21 January 2021 15: 28
                +4
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                For order ceremonies, the knights of the order were supposed to have a long black velvet robe with a gold fringe. The mantle is embroidered with golden tongues of flame and has an embroidered image of the order chain along the entire edge. A large silver star of the order is sewn on the chest (approx. 280 mm). The collar of the green silk mantle, embroidered with silver. Lining of the robe and collar in orange satin.

                Everything seems to match.
                Красиво.
                I looked in the internet: the order was originally created to protect the Catholic faith.
                And another interesting point:
                All holders of the Order of the Holy Spirit (except for clergy) were to be holders of the Order of St. Michael. If they were not such before, then on the eve of their acceptance into the order of the Holy Spirit, they were accepted into the order of St. Michael.
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 21 January 2021 15: 32
                  +4
                  I looked in the internet: the order was originally created to protect the Catholic faith.

                  And Maltese? I wonder how history would have turned out if Paul had not been pinned down ... The Orthodox Tsar is the patron saint of the Catholic order ... It was just right to talk about the unification of the churches!
                  By the way, on the Order of the Holy Spirit, the cross is also Maltese.
                  were knights of the Order of St. Michael.

                  Yeah, the "hero star" went along with the Order of Lenin. A joke, of course. laughing But interesting!
                  By the way, our snub-nosed one also practiced various ceremonies with Maltese robes. drinks
                  1. Mihaylov
                    Mihaylov 21 January 2021 15: 38
                    +4
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    our snub-nosed one also practiced various rituals with Maltese robes.

                    The fun of jaded aristocrats ...
                    In the 19th century, this order was already given to everyone in a row: in the sense - to monarchs of any denomination, although it seems like "the order of the defenders of the Catholic faith" hi
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 21 January 2021 15: 49
                      +4
                      The fun of jaded aristocrats ...

                      If we talk about the Maltese cross in Russia, then it was fun for the emperor himself. Rostopchin and Kutaisov assented happily, the rest did not stick it in, but wore it. laughing
                      1. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 21 January 2021 15: 54
                        +4
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        the rest did not stick, but wore.

                        A beautiful trinket, I suppose it also costs a lot of money ... laughing
                        In general, this indicates how much by the 19th century the level of religious consciousness fell, at least among the upper strata.
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 21 January 2021 16: 07
                        +4
                        A beautiful trinket, I suppose it also costs a lot of money ...

                        By the way, EMNIP, Pavel forbade unauthorized decoration of received orders with jewelry and other costume jewelry. drinks than they could willingly sin in the presence of mama.
                        Do you still remember the statute of the Danish Order of the Elephant? Menshikov was awarded them, and then demanded to deprive. Why? By statute, you could only wear this order at a time on your powerful torso. And His Serene Highness wore it along with the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called! But, it seems, they did not deprive ... laughing
                        In general, this indicates how much by the 19th century the level of religious consciousness fell, at least among the upper strata.

                        Politics! here already specific people were made kinder, and not faith was defended. wink
                      3. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 21 January 2021 16: 23
                        +4
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        And His Serene Highness wore it along with the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called! But, it seems, they did not deprive ...

                        Ha! And you try to select! stop
                        True, then everything was taken away from him, but that's another story ..
                        It is necessary to establish on the site the "Order of St. Michael" for the fight against non-traditional historical orientation. drinks
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 21 January 2021 16: 27
                        +3
                        It is necessary to establish on the site the "Order of St. Michael" for the fight against non-traditional historical orientation.

                        The first to award Mikhail and VikNik? wink drinks
                      5. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 21 January 2021 16: 33
                        +4
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        The first to award Mikhail and VikNik?

                        Yes, only a robe with a camisole must be sewn and trousers with a silver eyelet - for the rite of passage. Well, even develop the order itself. hi
                      6. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 21 January 2021 17: 09
                        +3
                        pants silver eyelet

                        Trousers. Then we, like Pavel about Arakcheev, can proudly say about Mikhail: "This man knows how to wear pantaloons!" fellow
                        Sergey, according to your photos, the articles are crying. In a sense, such photographs will always be used by the authors. good
                      7. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 21 January 2021 17: 17
                        +4
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Trousers. "

                        But always a silver brocade. good
                        By the way, I looked at what it was: a very expensive fabric - silk brocade, embroidered with marvelous patterns in gold or silver threads, sometimes really silver from a thin silver wire. From fr "glace" - brilliant.
                        From the word panta-lona went "show-off" (joke) drinks
                      8. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 21 January 2021 17: 24
                        +3
                        By the way, I looked at what it was: a very expensive fabric - silk brocade, embroidered with marvelous patterns in gold or silver threads, sometimes really silver from a thin silver wire.

                        Ah, mon sher ami, what a sharman! winked (And rolled his eyes dreamily) drinks
                        From the word panta-lona went "show-off" (joke)

                        Michael will definitely analyze this theory. laughing
                  2. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 22 January 2021 08: 55
                    +4
                    And to collect more gold seamstresses - to sew a camisole. There should be benefits from the "Order" in all respects.
                  3. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 11: 29
                    +3
                    And to collect more gold seamstresses - to sew a camisole.

                    But we won't give up! We will establish a commune - the city of the Sun. Suffragettes there, sewing workshops ... Emancipation of women from men, men from women .. Emancipation of all - from everything! fellow (film "Monk and the Devil", the minimum program from the devil). drinks
                  4. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 22 January 2021 11: 35
                    +3
                    The little star is October. A detachment of pioneers and Komsomol members.
                  5. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 11: 45
                    +4
                    The little star is October. A detachment of pioneers and Komsomol members.

                    We will entrust the design of the Komsomol uniforms to the Sea Cat. We will appoint him as the main painter. soldier
                  6. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 22 January 2021 14: 20
                    +3
                    Komsomolsk pin-up?

                    "Almost 14, but the world is not native" (c).
                  7. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 14: 27
                    +2
                    "Almost 14, but the world is not native" (c).

                    Only from 18! We honor the criminal code! stop
                    Komsomolsk pin-up?

                    Only stockings and garters will remain from the pin-up. lol The rest will be much more interesting. fellow Sergei, do you know Uncle Kostya? wink drinks
                  8. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 22 January 2021 16: 56
                    +2
                    "Magnificent century" on the Ryazan land.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 22 January 2021 16: 28
                +2
                "If you have a Komsomol name,
                Support the name with your deeds! "

                And the qualification has now been lowered to 14 years, but it does not matter, only the size of the boobs is important there, everything else is secondary. laughing
              3. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 January 2021 16: 57
                +2
                “Summer is a small life” (c).
              4. Catfish
                Catfish 22 January 2021 17: 27
                +1
                "I love you, life,
                And I hope that it is mutual "(c)
              5. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 January 2021 18: 46
                +2
                “When you don't expect her at all” (c).
              6. Catfish
                Catfish 22 January 2021 19: 03
                +1
                "Fate plays a man, and a man plays ... the trumpet" (c)
              7. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 January 2021 19: 34
                +2
                “He has been living for the third day in a regional hotel” (c).
              8. Catfish
                Catfish 22 January 2021 19: 45
                +1
                "Mr. Twister, former minister,
                Mister Twister, millionaire ... "(c)
              9. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 January 2021 20: 40
                +2
                “And what my daughter requires.
                Must be done. Point "(c).
              10. Catfish
                Catfish 22 January 2021 21: 00
                +1
                "Ah, mom, tell me straight,
                Oh, daughter, it was once a night "(c)
              11. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 January 2021 21: 29
                +2
                "Ah, mommy, on a sled
                I skated with the wrong one ”(c).
              12. Catfish
                Catfish 22 January 2021 21: 45
                +1
                "Sweets, mutton, like swans - sleigh" (c)
              13. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 January 2021 22: 07
                +2
                "The white mountain shines like an unearthly revelation" (c).
              14. Catfish
                Catfish 22 January 2021 23: 17
                +1
                "I shouted to the Galaxy: Ashamed of you!
                In response, they blinked something "(c)
              15. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 January 2021 23: 28
                +2
                "We do not think so as not to go crazy" (c).
              16. Catfish
                Catfish 22 January 2021 23: 32
                +1
                "Why should I be considered a punks and a bandit" (c)
              17. Korsar4
                Korsar4 22 January 2021 23: 39
                +2
                “After all, even Einstein is a physical genius -
                I understood everything relatively "(c).
              18. Catfish
                Catfish 23 January 2021 00: 05
                +2
                "The Earth has gone three hundred years ahead
                According to Einstein's vile theory "(c)
              19. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 January 2021 00: 15
                +2
                "Among them is Charlie Chaplin, whom I respect" (c).
              20. Catfish
                Catfish 23 January 2021 15: 43
                +2
                "I went to the doctor to treat boil,
                The doctor is a Jew and I am a Jew "(c)
              21. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 January 2021 18: 55
                +1
                “All in glasses on chains.
                According to the folk - in pince-nez ”(c).
              22. Catfish
                Catfish 23 January 2021 19: 01
                +1
                "I wish you happiness in this big world" (c)
              23. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 January 2021 20: 11
                +2
                “To make girls beautiful” (c).
              24. Catfish
                Catfish 23 January 2021 20: 16
                +1
                "I look after her,
                There is nothing in it,
                And I keep looking
                I do not take my eyes off "(c)
              25. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 January 2021 20: 29
                +1
                "I won't tell anyone anything" (c).
              26. Catfish
                Catfish 23 January 2021 21: 29
                +1
                "She fooled him herself, but he is not to blame for anything" (c)
              27. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 January 2021 21: 30
                +2
                "They will tickle to hiccups and drag them to the bottom" (c).
              28. Catfish
                Catfish 23 January 2021 21: 31
                +1
                "Oh, women! Your name is treachery!" (C)
              29. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 January 2021 21: 41
                +2
                "You can't live without women - no!" (from).
              30. Catfish
                Catfish 23 January 2021 21: 59
                +1
                "Who in the world is sweeter than all, blush, whiter than all?"
              31. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 January 2021 22: 15
                +2
                "Marquis, Marquis, Marquis of Karabas" (c).
              32. Catfish
                Catfish 23 January 2021 22: 35
                +1
                "Pistol of the Marquis de Beaupertuis" (c) laughing
              33. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 January 2021 23: 02
                +2
                "Ahead - an ambush, and behind - a trap" (c).
              34. Catfish
                Catfish 23 January 2021 23: 30
                +1
                "The voivode with a red face in military affairs knows a lot,
                He drove the ambush regiment into the mosquito swamp "(c)
              35. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 January 2021 23: 57
                +2
                "And I want to fly" (c),
              36. Catfish
                Catfish 24 January 2021 00: 31
                +1
                "Soar up the falcons - eagles" (c)
              37. Korsar4
                Korsar4 24 January 2021 01: 00
                +2
                “Heroes are riding across the field of the Red Army” (c).
              38. Catfish
                Catfish 24 January 2021 01: 52
                +1
                "White Army, Black Baron
                Again they are preparing the royal throne "(c)
              39. Korsar4
                Korsar4 24 January 2021 06: 08
                +2
                “Eh, apple! Where are you kitting? " (from).
              40. Catfish
                Catfish 24 January 2021 15: 57
                +1
                "I'm sitting on a barrel, tears are falling,
                Nobody gets married, they just paw "(c)
              41. Korsar4
                Korsar4 24 January 2021 18: 06
                +1
                "I'm good, I'm good,
                She's badly dressed.
                Nobody gets married
                A damsel for this "(c).
              42. Catfish
                Catfish 24 January 2021 18: 36
                +1
                "When you undressed at night sometimes
                And in the midnight light you stand before me "(c)
              43. Korsar4
                Korsar4 24 January 2021 19: 27
                +1
                "At twelve o'clock at night" (c).
              44. Catfish
                Catfish 24 January 2021 19: 36
                +1
                "Lantern, street, pharmacy ..." (c)
              45. Korsar4
                Korsar4 24 January 2021 19: 41
                +1
                "Follows on the heels like a friend" (c).
              46. Catfish
                Catfish 24 January 2021 20: 38
                0
                "So a lonely pedestrian whose heart oppresses fear,
                Hurries and looks only ahead, and knows, knows
                That a terrible enemy is following him "(c)
            2. burigaz2010
              burigaz2010 26 January 2021 19: 37
              0
              Konstantin is not tired of toil about the foolishness? What is the habit of clogging up the site? I remember when I was on the filibust for such woodpeckers there was a separate blog, the shelter of tired poets. By the way, the cap there was more severe, as our modern figs know what they are doing! Yeah kind of chasing after Meehan!
            3. Catfish
              Catfish 26 January 2021 19: 52
              +1
              ... for such woodpeckers ...


              Listen, amateur birdwatcher, if you don't like something, click on the "complaint" button, but I don't need to write, I don't owe you anything and I don't owe you anything. And, for example, I don’t go to your pseudo-patriotic bazaars, there you can strangle yourself from the number of aggressive girls, and you, God forbid, believe that the nonsense that home-grown "pike vests" carry there has a greater right to exist in relation to what we do?
            4. Korsar4
              Korsar4 26 January 2021 21: 53
              +1
              Just a way to communicate.
              And the fact that there are people who feel bad when others feel good is not uncommon.

              I can tell you about woodpeckers in detail.

              Yes, you remember in the modern cartoon Kashchei tried to tell fairy tales to the Gray Wolf. It didn't work out very well.
  8. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 21 January 2021 19: 37
    +5
    Quote: Mihaylov
    It is necessary to establish the "Order of St. Michael" on the site

    "Order" in the sense of an award or in the sense of "organization"? There is still no one to reward - there are no significant victories yet, "non-traditional Anals" breed, group together and, as if on command, stick around any topic of their choice, buzzing and pushing.
    We will distribute awards after the victory.
    Now is the right time to establish a scientific historical inquisition.
  9. Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 21 January 2021 20: 50
    +6
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    "Order" in the sense of an award or in the sense of "organization"?

    I, I suppose, Mikhail - both: both as a reward (like the "Red Banner" to be given only for military actions) and as an organization (I suggest as a uniform a pointed white cap with slits for the eyes, and of course, pantaloons of a silver eyelet) drinks
    Now is the right time to establish a scientific historical inquisition.

    An interesting thought, I just thought about it. hi
    We will distribute awards after the victory.

    Victory will be ours!
  10. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 January 2021 08: 44
    +5
    You, comrades, are more careful with the word "Order", the administration has idiosyncrasy against it.
  11. Korsar4
    Korsar4 22 January 2021 08: 54
    +5
    Rowling had that too.
    And at school he muddied the ABK - "Anti-Bazarov Coalition".

    After that, at a literature lesson in the presence of the director, I used the revised classic:

    “Good people can be.
    And still endure music. "
  12. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 11: 32
    +4
    You, comrades, are more careful with the word "Order", the administration has idiosyncrasy against it.

    We are still talking about eyelet pantaloons! stop You understand, first you need to make a project, then a sketch, a prototype, making changes and additions .. in general, the process of fitting the pantaloons will take a long time! laughing drinks
  13. Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 22 January 2021 11: 56
    +4
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    in general, the process of fitting the pantaloons will take a long time!

    And only after that it will be possible to say with a clear conscience: "This man knows how to wear pantaloons" drinks
  14. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 12: 10
    +3
    "This man knows how to wear pantaloons"

    We will talk about it. wink And about us enemies will say: "Big monkey in a uniform"! laughing
    Both phrases were said about Arakcheev. yes Sablukov writes about the "big monkey in uniform". The question is that Nikolai Alexandrovich wrote his notes many years after the murder of Pavel, and in English, and they were translated into Russian in general at the end of the 19th century. That is, either he launched the term about "a monkey in a uniform" - it is repeated by Pikul and Rakovsky in their novels, or that is how Arakcheev was called behind the backs in Pavlovsk and Aleksandrovsk times among officers. drinks
  15. Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 22 January 2021 12: 14
    +4
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    Both phrases were said about Arakcheev. yes About the "big monkey in uniform"

    I ought to have an article about Arakcheev, otherwise I don't know much about him: what kind of person was not clear (for me) hi
  16. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 12: 31
    +4
    I ought to have an article about Arakcheev, otherwise I don't know much about him: what kind of person was not clear (for me)

    Yes, it would be nice ... But my level of knowledge on this historical character is not very satisfying. sad By the way, Shumsky - his "pseudo son" - really existed! yes
  17. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 January 2021 12: 00
    +4
    "I will not allow the waistline to be lowered to the hips. 155. After all, we are the center of Europe. I will not allow any Spaniards to dictate our terms. If you want a cut-off sleeve, please. Would you like a pleated skirt with darts? I accept that too. But omit the line. I won't give a waist. "(c)
  18. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 12: 12
    +4
    But I won't let you lower your waistline

    Anton, is this the Napoleonic Empire style? If you remember, the cut in his uniform started from the chest. laughing
  19. Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 22 January 2021 12: 16
    +4
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    I will not allow the waistline to drop to the hips

    From Baron Münghausen?
    And the war of "blunt-pointed" and "sharp-pointed" has not yet been canceled hi
  20. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 January 2021 12: 21
    +4
    hi
    Absolutely.
  21. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 11: 30
    +4
    An interesting thought, I just thought about it.

    But now I really felt both scared and interesting ... laughing
  22. Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 22 January 2021 12: 18
    +4
    Quote: Pane Kohanku
    But now I really felt both scared and interesting

    But here there is, as you and I Nikolay found out, a well-concealed secret organization of "balalaika parasites", this will be "our answer to Chamberlain" hi
  23. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 12: 26
    +4
    a well-concealed secret organization of "balalaika parasites", this will be "our answer to chamberlain"

    We already have the answer - in the person of our company. drinks
  24. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 12: 59
    +4
    And take me as a demonstration of tolerance for the meanly bombing Syria soldier
  25. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 13: 16
    +4
    Accept me as

    We'll just accept you! drinks
  26. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 13: 25
    +4
    Accept and Close - a brief summary of your former teaching career drinks laughing
  27. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 13: 33
    +4
    Accept and Close - a brief summary of your former teaching career

    Absolutely not! stop drinks
  28. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 13: 55
    +4
    Let me guess the topics of the lectures:
    Euthanasia - a relic of the Middle Ages or a dissertation by Mehriban Khanum Aliyeva?
    Zionism - a nationalist movement of the reactionary part of the Jewish people or a kind of latent Oedipus complex?
    Enemies of Communists in the ranks of the CPSU Central Committee - Maoism or Psychiatry? hi
  29. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 14: 20
    +4
    Zionism - a nationalist movement of the reactionary part of the Jewish people or a kind of latent Oedipus complex?

    Yeah, and in the "weapons" section, you will publish an article about the influence of tactical sideways on the accuracy of shooting? wink
    Euthanasia - a relic of the Middle Ages or a dissertation by Mehriban Khanum Aliyeva?

    Swiss reality.
    Enemies of Communists in the ranks of the CPSU Central Committee - Maoism or Psychiatry?

    Trash and surrealism. laughing drinks
  30. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 14: 41
    +2
    1) Sideways are only strategic or winged
    2) 4200 Euro turnkey, write in a personal
    3) good drinks ))
  31. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 14: 43
    +2
    4200 Euro turnkey, write to PM

    You are not very bent? wink It's easier to use a shovel to counterbalance, and the ends go to the Moika. bully Well, other parts of the body too. repeat
  32. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 14: 57
    +2
    Swiss rates. Mine is 700 euros on top. repeat
    Including hospitalization, conversations with a psychologist trying to persuade the patient to refuse eutonasia, etc. (does not include translation services - 40 tanks per hour, in my opinion)
  33. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 15: 11
    +1
    does not include translation services - 40 tanks per hour, in my opinion

    I have a vague feeling that only the giant Mark Ratslayer was kinder, and Lepke the Accountant was more altruistic. laughing drinks No, not our method. We are not Japanese. They all put it on a grand scale, and with a song. fellow
  34. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 15: 40
    +3
    Snow covered Shanghai roofs
    A glass of sake warms your palm
    And hara-kiri will wait
    After all, the ribs of the cooled Kuomintang nurse
    Not so tasty for Kang Shi Tea! drinks
  35. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 January 2021 18: 43
    +1
    It's cheaper to fly to Australia, where eftanasia is free.
  36. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 20: 42
    +1
    Not for foreigners
    However, you can accumulate while you fly there from the European part of Russia as an economy))
  37. Catfish
    Catfish 22 January 2021 14: 08
    +4
    Greetings to the conspirators! I join. drinks
  38. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 14: 21
    +4
    Greetings to the conspirators! I join.

    I have briefly described your position and first responsibilities above. Then I'll sprinkle the instructions. soldier
  39. bubalik
    bubalik 22 January 2021 15: 18
    +2
    ,,, silver pantaloons what to sew? In terms of financial flows. Start with "ex" or will the foreign countries help us?
  40. Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 22 January 2021 15: 54
    +3
    Start with "ex" or will the foreign countries help us?

    In the spirit of Juche, self-reliant - from "ex". laughing
  41. Catfish
    Catfish 22 January 2021 16: 20
    +1
    Based on the experience of Comrade Kamo, a fiery left-winger, the main thing is that the only car for the whole city is not nearby. laughing
  42. Catfish
    Catfish 22 January 2021 14: 07
    +3
    Hi Albert. hi
    But I can calculate my status in advance, it sounds like this - Zamkompomord (Ie Deputy Commander for Naval Affairs). laughing drinks
  43. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 14: 53
    +2
    Greetings, Constantine! hi
    laughing And mine is Mordazhid. Management of the District Russian Diesel Air-Railway and Other Organizations in Siberia, Kaliningrad, Anapa, Yakutia. soldier drinks
  44. Catfish
    Catfish 22 January 2021 15: 58
    +2
    It’s good that you don’t live in Mordovia, otherwise it would be something Yidomordian. smile drinks
  45. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 15: 59
    +2
    Or Mordozhidovskoe))
  46. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 January 2021 18: 39
    +1
    Shchazzzz! You will be baptized first! laughing
  47. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 20: 45
    +1
    Then I will catch up and baptize again, then I will catch up and baptized again - and then I will replace the batteries and this music will be fanciful fellow
  48. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 January 2021 21: 18
    +1
    It's the same with my conversion! wink
  49. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 22 January 2021 21: 24
    +1
    Am I calling you to do conversion? I urge you to earn a billion greens - I will build your personal synagogue. The Orthodox can do this - Christ himself preached in the synagogue of Kfar Naum, so the matter is small fellow
  • Elturisto
    Elturisto 21 January 2021 13: 22
    -1
    Aleksashka, the bald man, was a German and a parricide. His anti-French and anti-Polish policy eventually led to the growth of the power of Germany with corresponding results in 1914 and 1941. Our non-setting sun follows the same path, building streams and importing German goods and destroying domestic industry. Even other Russian monarchs did not create illusions in assessing the results of the reign of this degenerate. For example, Peter the Great, Pavel and Catherine and Maria and Nicholas 1, Alexandra 2 and 3 were in the RI fleet in the 1th century, but Alexander XNUMX was not.
  • Tavrik
    Tavrik 21 January 2021 15: 11
    0
    Quote: Aleksandr1971
    "Only Russia remains. But I will crush it!"

    It was not Napoleon who said this, but an odious person after the overthrow of Napoleon. From the series "The whole truth about the Corsican monster." Well, I had to bend over to the new owners.