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Why does Siluanov need dollars and euros today?

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Source: kremlin.ru


Not the right moment


Pandemic, American discord, Brexit start with a bunch of scandals and, finally, stable oil prices. The situation for the ruble, as well as for all currencies with real collateral - it would seem that you could not imagine better.

Is that why the Ministry of Finance is launching the purchase of competitors' currency? Rubles can be spent for this exactly as much as the same Ministry of Finance, in agreement with the Central Bank, wants.

Although some kind of limitation in the form of obligations to the IMF to control emission will not go anywhere. The amount of $ 1,4 billion has already been announced, and one of the commentators managed to call it insignificant for the ruble exchange rate. Doubt.

Citizens have long been taught not to believe in the ruble. 2020, it seems, was the last year, when they still believed in the strength of world currencies and had already started investing in cryptocurrencies, and for safety net - in the old fashioned way, in gold.

Russia also buys gold - as much as any other country in the world, but is in no hurry to buy bitcoins and its analogues. However, the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank are also in no hurry to seriously fork out for dollars with euros.

Currency purchases were stopped in March 2020 - with the beginning of the quarantine. And this is after the collapse of the ruble. Now we are talking about the amount, let us repeat, only $ 1,4 billion, which is less than 0,5 percent of the reserves of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

However, it is quite enough to make the currency market vibrate. Although buying a currency does not necessarily have to respond to a strong growth in its rate.

What does China have to do with it? China, as usual, has nothing to do with it


But it is possible that the head of the Ministry of Finance Anton Siluanov deliberately decided to publicize the upcoming action of the Ministry of Finance. Just to knock down a possible, especially in the current alarming realities, a wave of panic on the stock exchange.

Experts now almost unanimously draw attention to the fact that so far the Central Bank has been silent on operations with the ruble, dollar and euro. And it is quite possible that comments from the Central Bank will outstrip even this publication of ours.

But it is not the comments themselves that are important, but the agreed monetary policy. With this we have clearly not all right lately. Like with the coronavirus. Happened - so we need to use it


Source: Nikolay Maksimovich, Wikimedia Commons

Commenting on the silence of the Central Bank, one of the experts representing the liberal HSE tried his best to convince the authors that

The Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank act in a coordinated manner so that there is no negative impact on the exchange rate of the national currency.

The two departments, in fact fiercely competing, which even their employees and representatives of the management do not doubt, allegedly regularly coordinate

the policy by which the Ministry of Finance should buy and sell currency.

In the spring of 2020, we all saw the fruits of such a coordinated policy and we still feel them for ourselves. So it turns out that a devaluation has happened - so why not play on this?

Although even exporters on it have gained almost nothing due to the fall in demand and a long rollback in oil prices. They, however, were saved, but only by agreement with OPEC and thanks to demand from China.

Why does Siluanov need dollars and euros today?

That is why we note from ourselves that in China they carefully and secretly scored on the nineteenth Covid and returned to accelerating the economy. To spite competitors and to the delight of energy suppliers.

The break did not last


But, as you know, our financiers in power, as you know, even with Chinese demand, cannot be easily knocked off the chosen course. Who is behind them, I think, and no need to explain.

And it is not for nothing that for many years they have legislated the need and the ability to invest only in highly reliable and highly liquid assets. Read - to the assets of our direct competitors.

At the same time, one should not forget for a minute that today we are talking about buying up the living, although not necessarily cash dollars and euros. The purchase of various kinds of American and European assets, including not only government bonds, but also securities of private structures, has not been interrupted since March 2020.

But it was not advertised - most likely, so as not to irritate the public and not to tease journalists. It’s not without reason that they were so aggressively driven to a distance. And the TV people, though not all of them, were dressed in protective suits no worse than the medical personnel.


Both America and recently united Europe never tire of thanking the leaders of all Russian economic departments for the unprecedented assistance to their economies. These economies are literally bursting at the seams not only because of Covid-19 and its strains, but for a variety of other reasons. No matter how we are convinced otherwise.

We do not argue, we need both the old continent and the already split overseas power. Not like air, of course, but as markets for raw materials and little else, and as a source of supply of high-tech goods. More precisely, for the most part - already only key components for them, since screwdriver assemblies were once already scattered literally throughout Russia.

Consequences will not do


The purchase by the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation of foreign currency for almost one and a half billion dollars, sorry for the repetition, will require the Ministry of Finance to spend in rubles. The Ministry of Finance website reports that it is planned to spend about 106 billion rubles on financial transactions.

This cannot be called anything other than direct manipulation of the ruble exchange rate. In theory, although our practice is very poorly matched with theory. The ruble has just started to come to its senses, and now again - well, exactly like Viktor Stepanovich Chernomyrdin.

During the pandemic, Russians, slightly surprised that prices did not rise as fast as the ruble fell, were convinced that the exchange rate was no longer important to them. First of all, because the borders are closed.

But for the overwhelming majority of the population, who are not at all rich, these borders have never been opened. And to dissuade Russians that the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance are unequivocally in favor of the ruble being weak is unlikely to succeed.

A weak ruble is good only for exporters who receive super-profits on exchange rate games. For the Russians, he sooner or later bounces around with rising prices. Which, having been postponed due to a catastrophic fall almost since spring, is already being renewed.

And as always, it all starts with housing and communal services tariffs, transport fares and gasoline. There have already been problems and interruptions with sugar and sunflower oil, while bread and salt are still in line.
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  1. Far B
    Far B 17 January 2021 05: 19
    +59
    The situation for the ruble, as for all currencies with real collateral
    And here more slowly, please, I write down ... Where is the Russian ruble a currency with real collateral? On the Soviet denyuzhkas, I remember, they wrote that he was provided with all the property and so on. But I don’t remember such an inscription on the current ruble. Looked bad, maybe?
    But it is not the comments themselves that are important, but the agreed monetary policy. With this we have obviously not been all right lately.
    Lately? It seems to me that this "last" time has somehow dragged on a little. That way for 30 years.
    As for buying up currency and replenishing the money box, it was intense until the moment when it swelled to seven percent of GDP (not, not him). According to previous statements, everything over 7% should have been directed to the Russian economy. But these same seven percent have been achieved, Zagibzadovna appears on the high rostrum, and announces that 7% is not enough, at least 10 is needed. no one stutters anymore. And the implementation of national projects was safely postponed to 11. In short, as the Russian Ministry of Finance has supported the economy of its sworn partners with the ruble, it will continue to support it. Because there are some sent Cossacks sitting there (no, well, really). And in the Central Bank the same Cossacks dug in. You can talk about the rivalry between these two financial monsters as much as you like, but they row in the same direction. Rowing and rowing. Something like this.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 17 January 2021 06: 01
      +33
      Why does Siluanov need dollars and euros today?
      and why does he need a "salary" of a couple of lyamas a day?
      1. Far B
        Far B 17 January 2021 06: 08
        +27
        and why does he need a "salary" of a couple of lyamas a day?
        You sho, you want to take away the last ?! you look at his soulful face - swollen, flabby. It is immediately evident - he does not sleep at night, he thinks about Russia!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 06: 12
          +9
          Quote: Dalny V
          all about Russia thinks!

          Really, stoll? recourse
          1. Far B
            Far B 17 January 2021 06: 14
            +15
            Really, stoll?
            Yes, here's a cross on the belly. Does not protect itself.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 06: 17
              +13
              Quote: Dalny V
              Yes, here's a cross on the belly. Does not protect itself.

              Oh you, ely-paly, what our benefactor ... He does not take care of himself, thinks about the people all about ... crying
              1. Crowe
                Crowe 17 January 2021 07: 45
                +39
                Quote: Aerodrome
                and why does he need a "salary" of a couple of lyamas a day?

                The living wage in Russia is 11 rubles
                Salary of the Minister of Finance of Russia - 1 rubles
                Indeed, the question arises: for what, for what such merits? However, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov does not ask such a question, everything is very clear to him, he just works well. "You cannot get through for a long time on enthusiasm alone," Siluanov says.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 17 January 2021 08: 24
                  +33
                  . The Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank act in a coordinated mannerso that there is no negative impact on the national currency rate.

                  Many thanks from all over the country !! The result of curbing the wooden rate is obvious - the ruble is stable in its fall. The last 30 years for sure.

                  . Purchase different kinds American and European assets, including not only government bonds, but also securities of private structures, from March 2020 was not interrupted.

                  Well, what are you Confused, don't you want to gag on such a happy occasion? Or your idol has nothing to do with it again?

                  ... Both America and recently united Europe never tire of thanking the heads of all Russian economic departments for unprecedented assistance their economies.

                  For a long time I noticed that they often have a common chorus with entanglements.

                  About trips abroad:
                  . for the vast majority population, very poor, these borders have never been opened


                  This is not essential. As you don’t understand, the main achievement of Putin is that all yards are packed with foreign cars. This is precisely the basis of the well-being of Russians! According to the confused people, at least.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 17 January 2021 13: 18
                    -25%
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Well, what are you Confused, don't you want to gag on such a happy occasion? Or your idol has nothing to do with it again?

                    The fact that someone pissed in the elevator, of course, Putin is to blame - most probably think so.
                    But for some reason no one analyzes our program of payments under our international obligations even for this year, because this is a dreary business, not everyone knows about it and how things really are in this segment are simply not interesting to many. Although I fully admit that the next payment in dollars on government securities or on our loans is suitable, and because of the pandemic, there was a recession not only in our country, but also in other countries. And we simply did not receive dollars where they came from regularly and these incomes were predicted, which is why we urgently had to buy foreign currency.
                    Many people have faced a situation when they borrowed money from a neighbor before their paycheck, and when they detained her, so as not to spoil relations with him, they borrowed from someone and gave him money on time. And only then, having received a salary, they settled with those who lent you to pay off the neighbor's debt. Thus, you twisted to raise your rating with a neighbor, and did not spoil your relationship with him, which will be important the next time you ask him for money.
                    So there is no point in fanning hysteria on this insignificant fact worth $ 1,4 billion - this does not mean anything for our economy, given that recently the figure of $ 1 billion was announced, which will cost us the rise in the cost of joint ventures. 2 due to US sanctions. It is possible that this money is taken with a margin for Gazprom - but this is just my guess.
                    1. Malyuta
                      Malyuta 17 January 2021 19: 34
                      +14
                      Quote: ccsr

                      The fact that someone pissed in the elevator, of course, Putin is to blame - most probably think so.

                      I EXTREMELY SORRY, but Putin is really to blame for everything, including the fact that there is such a siluanov.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 18 January 2021 12: 12
                        -10%
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        i'm STRONGLY sorry, but Putin is really to blame for everything

                        Then your claims are generally inappropriate, because you are against the will of the majority of the country's population, which entrusts him with the leadership of Russia in the elections. Convince the majority of our people that they should vote for you or for another candidate, and then we'll see what happens. In the meantime, it's better to blame the people, not their chosen one.
                      2. Malyuta
                        Malyuta 18 January 2021 16: 35
                        +7
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Then your claims are generally inappropriate, because you are against the will of the majority of the country's population, which entrusts him with the leadership of Russia in the elections.

                        After raising the retirement age and further events, the president ran out of trust. Now even those who have recently applauded and the number of dissatisfied is growing and will continue to grow day by day are unhappy with his actions.
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 18 January 2021 18: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        After raising the retirement age and further events, the president ran out of trust.

                        This is all from the field of propaganda, because REALLY nobody took to the streets, and this should be the starting point.
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        Now even those who have recently applauded and the number of dissatisfied is growing and will continue to grow day by day are unhappy with his actions.

                        So what will happen from this discontent? Nothing. At least it hasn't happened so far.
                        The people were dissatisfied in 1917, and the Bolsheviks came. Then something happened that no one expected. In 1991 the people became dissatisfied with the Bolsheviks and demanded to surrender power. The CPSU voluntarily surrendered power, but the people again remained dissatisfied, horrified by the impoverishment they received because of their desire to live under capitalism.
                        So please explain what the people need now - what kind of power they need so that the people rejoice at any of their steps and where to find this power, since Putin is elected in the elections.
                        I'm afraid that neither you, nor those minus people who give me minuses, will not even be able to intelligibly explain what you need - the father of the tsar, the general secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union or a typical capitalist president, so that you finally get what you dream of.
                        I can say right away that you, like the majority, cannot even formulate plainly what kind of power will satisfy all your needs.
                        In general, discord in the heads gives rise to chimeras in the issue of the structure of our society, and unfortunately, this is also characteristic of those who consider themselves to be an advanced citizen.
                      4. Military77
                        Military77 18 January 2021 23: 14
                        +1
                        This is all from the field of propaganda, because REALLY nobody took to the streets, and this should be the starting point.

                        We must proceed from the length and diameter of the "democratizers" of the National Guard and the comfort of the transport vehicles.
                    2. anclevalico
                      anclevalico 22 January 2021 09: 10
                      0
                      The percentage of votes FOR the amendments to the constitution suggests otherwise. The trust limit is still there.
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 17 January 2021 08: 39
            +22
            Quote: Crowe
            Finance Minister Anton Siluanov does not ask such a question, everything is very clear to him it just works well

            It's so good that the cost of living is already 11 thousand! Apparently, according to Anton, this is also good.
            1. Crowe
              Crowe 17 January 2021 08: 49
              +27
              Quote: Stas157
              that the cost of living is already 11 thousand! Apparently, according to Anton, this is also good.

              I would have put all these Antonov on the minimum wage. Although one official tried to somehow live - they barely pumped out in the hospital and lost 15 kg, poor fellow. For several days he openly rushed, allowing himself half a cucumber or tomato at dinner. The prices for yoghurts also bite, with which he habitually began his day. In general, in the second week of the experiment, the official was left without a penny.
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 17 January 2021 09: 07
                +27
                hi
                Quote: Crowe
                All these antons would be put on the minimum wage.

                Well, yes, to plant, it would be good. And what would this "minimum wage" be, at least 25 years.
                1. Crowe
                  Crowe 17 January 2021 09: 57
                  +21
                  This experimenter only spent on food, but housing and communal services, medicines, clothes and everything else ... They are terribly far from the people - this is not about the Decembrists, this is about our officials.
            2. Malyuta
              Malyuta 17 January 2021 19: 39
              +4
              Quote: Stas157
              It's so good that the cost of living is already 11 thousand! Apparently, according to Anton, this is also good.

              I wish all bird lovers to receive salaries and pensions in the amount of 11300 rubles.
          3. Svarog
            Svarog 17 January 2021 09: 39
            +28
            Quote: Crowe
            However, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov does not ask such a question, everything is very clear to him, he just works well. "You cannot get through for a long time on enthusiasm alone," Siluanov says.

            Eh, I would have cut him down. And at the cost of living. In general, their salary should be directly linked to the average salary in the country. All from the main thing, ending with the choir of the Duma members ... and if only children in our schools studied, but in our hospitals they were treated ... Then it is possible ... although not with the Gauleiter and it is impossible.
          4. Arberes
            Arberes 17 January 2021 15: 46
            +1
            What worried faces!
            The look of officials tells me a lot.
            Do not sleep at night thinking about the people,
            they have a soul ... it hurts for the Motherland.

            For a couple of "lyams" you can be a "sufferer"
            - Payment for a "good" job !?
            Yes, for that kind of money, I would
            He loved the people and showed concern.

            That's just the "minimum wage" let down.
            Twelve thousand is not serious.
            Lower our wooden ruble again
            And you can throw a couple of hundred at once.

            What a "success" !!! I believe in them - guys!
            With such faces, they can handle the sea.
            For thirty years of lies and promises ...
            I don't store it in wooden ones anymore!
          5. voronin
            voronin 19 January 2021 23: 47
            +13
            Quote: Crowe
            The living wage in Russia is 11 rubles
            Salary of the Minister of Finance of Russia - 1 rubles

            Mr. Siluanov managed to integrate into the market realities
      2. depressant
        depressant 17 January 2021 09: 44
        +32
        Colleagues, are you sure that Siluanov is capable of thinking? If such a function was present in his body before, then it very quickly transformed into a transmission mechanism.
        I don't know how it is now, but not long ago he was an official employee of the IMF. Its design was called "IMF Governor from the Russian Federation". He carried papers with orders from there to the government of the Russian Federation. On this, its functioning according to the terms of reference was exhausted.
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 17 January 2021 16: 00
          +2
          Quote: depressant
          Colleagues, are you sure that Siluanov is capable of thinking?

          I would like to answer you, dear Lyudmila hi in the words of Baron Munchausen.


          - I understood what your trouble is. You are too serious. A serious face is not yet a sign of intelligence, gentlemen. All nonsense on Earth is done with this expression. You smile, gentlemen. Smile!
        2. Jaromir
          Jaromir 18 January 2021 00: 44
          +21
          Quote: depressant
          Colleagues, are you sure that Siluanov is capable of thinking?

          laughing good
          In 1999, David Dunning and Justin Kruger formulated a psychological phenomenon called the Dunning-Kruger Effect. It reads: people with a low level of qualifications draw erroneous conclusions and make unsuccessful decisions, but are not able to realize their mistakes due to their low level of qualifications. This leads to the emergence of overestimated ideas about their own abilities. This effect very well reflects the work of such persons as the "hero" of the article.
      3. Machito
        Machito 17 January 2021 12: 43
        +1
        The beneficiaries of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation are unknown. No money, but we're still holding on. To spite the enemies. Both external and internal.
        1. Malyuta
          Malyuta 17 January 2021 20: 00
          +3
          Quote: Bearded
          No money, but we're still holding on. To spite the enemies. Both external and internal.

          I am very sorry, but the patient who we have is not made of iron.
        2. Jaromir
          Jaromir 18 January 2021 00: 51
          +20
          Quote: Bearded
          The beneficiaries of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation are unknown.

          Everything is interesting with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. For example, in accordance with Article 94 of the Federal Law-86 "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)", the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is obliged to provide the auditor with reports and other necessary data. As for the internal audit, it is carried out by the service of the chief auditor of the Central Bank. Interesting fact! The Chief Auditor of the Central Bank of Russia is directly subordinate to the Chairman of the Bank. wassat
          1. clerk
            clerk 18 January 2021 09: 48
            +1
            In addition to internal audit of current activities, according to the law, an international audit is carried out
            1. Military77
              Military77 18 January 2021 23: 17
              0
              Which should be held by the beneficiary ... And this is ... there ... the IMF !!!
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 19 January 2021 12: 07
                0
                Quote: Military77
                Which should be held by the beneficiary ... And this is ... there ... the IMF !!!

                Well, propose not to use currency in our international relations, and refuse to take loans from foreign banks, as it was, for example, under Stalin, make the ruble backed with gold, and then all foreigners can be sent. Only none of the critics, for some reason, would want to refuse to travel abroad, and to use foreign goods, because as it turned out, our females are dashing "critics", for some reason they themselves are more connected with abroad than ordinary citizens.
                In general, all this is a whim, since we cannot imagine ourselves without integration into the world community, then there is no need to cry that some institutions of this community require from us a certain control from at least the use of the tools of this community.
                How can you send a financial audit of our banks by foreigners, if we ourselves have signed the documents where we are obliged to fight against the laundering of criminal capital. Should they trust us on parole?
              2. clerk
                clerk 19 January 2021 16: 22
                0
                A riot of fantasy
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 17 January 2021 07: 40
    +25
    Quote: Dalny V
    Concerning buying up currency and egg capsule replenishment

    The size of the moneybox (International reserves of the Russian Federation) is equal to $ 597 billion or 400 rubles ... There is also the NWF equal to $ 000 or 000 ... And I assume that this "common fund" is kept not at all in order to develop the Russian economy. Actually. it is there, but no one is allowed to take it, touch it, or look at it.
    Moreover, in the event of a social "mess", we (ordinary - not elite) citizens of the country will be left with useless, meaningless, unsecured pieces of paper (tickets) from the Bank of Russia. We receive them for the right to live in the country, and at the end of the term they will not be more valuable than those state treasury notes of the USSR and tickets of the State Bank of the USSR, the presence of which was supposed to guarantee everyone his share in gold, precious metals and other assets of the State Bank of the USSR.
    Can you tell me why EBN did not do this and where did it all go along with the same gold of the party?
    A similar scenario awaits us. This is the only reason why those sitting there: in the government, the Duma, the Federation Council, the bunker, feel calm and ask us to treat everything with understanding. Why is it not clear?
    I can't listen to all these clerks. The constant evasion of answers to specific questions is already nauseous.
    Some of you, in appearance, in deep analytical mindset, can call Siluanov the Minister of Finance? Are we seeing the fruits of his hard work? What is it? And he is and eats on (the minister's salary, according to the Ministry of Finance, for 1 month is about 1,73 million rubles) so much that at least 139 people with minimum wages can feed him ...
    1. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller 17 January 2021 07: 48
      +27
      "Kudrin's Kubyshka" is not the reserves of Russia as a state or a people, it is the reserves of the ruling Russian oligarchy ...
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 17 January 2021 08: 04
        +24
        Yes, forget you already about this "pod". Who is the "pod"?
        - Who's leg?
        - This leg of the one who needs the leg!
        1. U-58
          U-58 17 January 2021 08: 38
          +22
          And that's true. Money arises only in the sphere of material production. That is, they are created by the labor of specific proletarians. Or, to put it "pompously", the people.
          But now, being created, this money becomes capital. By common sense, the capital of the state. But those in power (those who make up the staffing of the state) have long ago privatized the right to dispose of this capital exclusively in their very specific interests.
          The people have been pushed aside and removed from any instruments for managing this capital.
          Anyone there Siluminovs and Nae ..., oh, Nabiull ... and without the people know perfectly well how to dispose of the country's privatized capital. No, not the country, but the ruling leaders. And the country, which [was] ebullient, mighty, this country will manage so. On the cost of living, consumer baskets and unusually high pensions.
          Moreover, it will increase the capital of the management no worse than the oil pipe, receiving less money, [on time - moved] pensions, receiving beggarly salaries, taking away from themselves for paid medicine and education.
          1. Military77
            Military77 18 January 2021 23: 33
            -2
            Money arises only in the sphere of material production. That is, they are created by the labor of specific proletarians.

            In the 20th century, it was so, but how do you "vpendyurite" cryptocurrencies into your theory? Nobody created them with labor. Basically, I exaggerate, solving equations by a computer, whose computer solves more, that will earn more.
            1. U-58
              U-58 19 January 2021 06: 28
              +1
              Cryptocurrencies are the result of capital speculation. That is, his modern hypostasis. This is what I wrote about. The era of sable skins is gone, the era of cryptocurrencies has arrived. Something else will appear tomorrow. But the essence will not change ...
              And still you need to hastily run through "Capital" comrade. Marx
        2. depressant
          depressant 17 January 2021 10: 25
          +9
          Colleague Crowe, from ancient times in Russia it was customary to call this "the golden party".
          1. Vitalian
            Vitalian 17 January 2021 10: 32
            +7
            Quote: depressant
            for a long time in Russia it was customary to call this "the gold of the party."

            And you're right, Lyudmila .. As Chernomyrdin's dead man said, which party you should not create in Russia, the CPSU still works! laughing love
          2. Machito
            Machito 17 January 2021 12: 49
            +6
            Quote: depressant
            Colleague Crowe, from ancient times in Russia it was customary to call this "the golden party".

            The party has money to buy ultra-expensive yachts abroad, but there is no money to build a fleet capable of protecting the country and its citizens.
            1. clerk
              clerk 17 January 2021 15: 42
              -3
              Do you want to compare the cost of the notorious yachts and pitchforks with the costs of the PF RF?
    2. clerk
      clerk 17 January 2021 08: 50
      -18%
      To evaluate someone's work, you need to be at least minimally aware of the topic and it looks like the issue of state finance is not your strong point. From the word at all. Ruble equivalent. The gold reserves are approximately equal to everything about the money supply in Russia. Therefore, it can be spent in two ways - 1) sell on the domestic market, reduce the foreign exchange rate, buy imports in large quantities and kill domestic production; 2) Print more rubles, keep the exchange rate, but double ruble prices Which way do you prefer?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 09: 27
        +14
        Quote: clerk
        Which way do you prefer?

        There is always a third option. Completely shovel the tax legislation, change the credit policy of the Central Bank, and return the money to Russia with cheap loans to production workers, return the means of production.
        There is no need to limit the choice, justifying the policy of the authorities, in history there have been examples of competent investments in the economy, and not only in our country.
        1. clerk
          clerk 17 January 2021 10: 16
          -17%
          Your wish is not the third way, but a variation of the second - to flood the economy with cheap loans at a rate below the market rate. Will only lead to an increase in inflation and exchange rate and nothing more. Have tried it many times. In real life, the problem is not in the absence of cheap loans, but in the absence of demand for them on the part of production workers. View the required capacity and demand for their products. This problem cannot be solved by a one-time waving of a saber - it takes many years to win back the market for its manufacturer. Critics of the financial policy of the current authorities do not understand this corny.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 12: 54
            +9
            Quote: clerk
            Will only lead to an increase in inflation and the exchange rate and nothing else

            You are like a child in whom you can only prick with a needle and cut yourself with a knife.
            1. clerk
              clerk 17 January 2021 13: 07
              -8
              And you are like an adult who in a closed empty room lost one steel ball and broke the other
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 13: 20
                +11
                I gave you a real logical example of the flawedness of your statements, in the same abstraction. negative
                1. clerk
                  clerk 17 January 2021 15: 14
                  -6
                  You brought up an obviously unfit and simplified analogy, without arguing anything about the essence of the conversation.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 17: 23
                    +3
                    Where is the uselessness of the analogy? You cited two options for using the money from the stabilization fund, and both are negative. Money can only be devoured or drunk? As a means of production, do you not consider them at all? Do you know the basics of economics?
                    1. clerk
                      clerk 17 January 2021 18: 55
                      -2
                      Unlike you, I am familiar not only with the "theoretical basics of economics from textbooks", but also in some way practice. Therefore, I see through and through these cries of "give me cheap money and the economy will rise." In the absence of idle production facilities, this recipe of the late 1990s will not work now - the money will end up either on the foreign exchange market or on the already overheated consumer loans market. There is no quick solution to this problem - only to transfer production to Russia.
                    2. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 19: 03
                      +2
                      Quote: clerk
                      Unlike you

                      I have a kind of economic "tower", if that. wink
                      Quote: clerk
                      money will end up either in the foreign exchange market or in the already overheated consumer loan market

                      Under the current government, of course. For a competent and independent leader, money is not an end, but a means. The current government invests money in other people's economies, but not in their own. The attitude to the country as a taxi driver to a rented car.
                    3. clerk
                      clerk 17 January 2021 20: 55
                      +3
                      1) Well, if you have an economic "tower", it means that there has been no practice for a long time. 2) The movement of money has its own laws, which do not even depend on the form (Plan or market), not to mention the management personnel. You don't want to understand this.
                  2. frog
                    frog 18 January 2021 09: 50
                    0
                    In the absence of idle production facilities

                    It's hard to argue with that. From only how will you acquire these capacities if production in the country is stupidly unprofitable? Not to mention where you will take personnel for this production and much more ... Of course, just banging a bunch of dough - the result is predictable. But with new approaches, nothing else will be in principle ...
                  3. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 18 January 2021 09: 57
                    0
                    Quote: frog
                    But with new approaches, nothing else will be in principle ...

                    Nobody argues. As I said above, a number of strong-willed decisions are needed to change the legal framework.
                    And most importantly, you need to have the goal of developing the country, and not stupid pumping out the dough.
                  4. frog
                    frog 18 January 2021 09: 58
                    +1
                    Only by changing the base ?? Dear, and you are an optimist))))
                2. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 09: 58
                  +3
                  I already wrote - the PMCM needs to attract foreigners to transfer production in Russia with a subsequent increase in the percentage of localization. Along the way, this will lead to the need for qualified personnel, training can be organized on the basis of the current "colleges" (former vocational schools). Actually, this is being done now, but it is not quick, hence the permanent hysterics about "give me money tomorrow - the day after tomorrow new production facilities will grow here."
                3. frog
                  frog 18 January 2021 10: 03
                  0
                  To attract foreigners here - why? To create their own competitors to them? An interesting solution .....
                  Increasing the percentage of localization .... Sounds something like ..... There is such an embodiment of this paradigm .... The well-known SSJ .... With which everything is much worse than with the officer's daughter ..... much .. ...
                  On the basis of colleges ..... Will lead to the need ..... Oh, colleague, have you seen these colleges? I, yes, and I regularly see. And I am also aware of the peculiarities of vocational education, sho secondary, sho upper ... This is not even "unmotivated optimism", it's just the works of Manilov ...
                  Although about "give me money" - I agree, it will not solve anything. But the path you proposed will not solve anything either. And he cannot decide, like the eternal cry of "give the old ladies" .....
                4. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 11: 25
                  0
                  I see no other way, except for the regulated attraction of foreign manufacturers with a gradual transfer of production. Regarding the horror in education, I agree, but the main thing here is the presence of a ready-made system, which can then be reoriented to other educational needs.
                5. frog
                  frog 18 January 2021 11: 33
                  0
                  Excuse me, but why would an import manufacturer raise a competitor? Apart from politics, it is not expedient even from the economic point of view. IMHO, the stump is bright .... Not to mention the fact that their approach to design and operation may simply not be suitable for our realities.
                  As for education ..... There is no system there, alas. The nameplates and slogans remained, for the most part .... It must actually be recreated anew. And this is both money and time. Not to mention the staff. And yet, social tension, because if you hold a couple of sessions according to the requirements of a scoop, you will not have even a third of the students, in the vast majority of institutions. And this despite the fact that the union was by no means ideal ...
                6. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 12: 30
                  0
                  1) Capitalism grows competitors out of momentary greed (see China) 2) Technical and technological issues can be solved (B-24 / Tu-4), again, you can lure specialists. 3) It is not about the system in education, but about the system of education, as an operating structure. With a functioning structure, quality problems, programs and personnel are not resolved quickly, but much faster than from scratch.
                7. frog
                  frog 18 January 2021 13: 08
                  0
                  1. Somehow, he did not grow greedily on the issue and super and points, sorry. You tell me about an invisible hand, please, don't tell me wink
                  2. Almost all issues can be resolved. They just don't want to solve them. One - they can't, the other - they don't. the result is known.
                  3. Once again .... How it works (if I may say so)) the new structure - I know. And to make it really work, you need to change it a little more than completely. That with the current leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the current financing scheme, it is simply impossible ...
                8. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 13: 57
                  0
                  1) I do not quite understand you - what has not grown in China? 2) these issues will be resolved as they arise - it makes no sense to generalize. 3) The need to change the requirements. This is the case when a new decisive leadership is enough.
                9. frog
                  frog 18 January 2021 14: 15
                  +1
                  1. We have not grown together with Jet and MC. And it will not grow together, unfortunately. Colleague, it is at least incorrect to cite China as an example. And you yourself know perfectly why wink
                  2. These issues are not being resolved now (taking into account that many can be resolved without even really pushing))), why would they suddenly be resolved then?
                  3.
                  This is the case when a new determined leadership is enough

                  In our country, the decisiveness of the leadership is manifested only when it is necessary to break something. Or pensions, say, to increase .... Vl all other cases with determination are not so hot. Because in addition to decisiveness, professionalism is also needed. Not loyalty and other qualities of effective managers ... And these qualities are not held in high esteem by the authorities, because they say nasty things))
                10. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 14: 41
                  0
                  1) Jet - 80% foreign shit initially, but with MS it seems slowly, but grows together. 2) That is, it is relatively easy to solve them, but in your particular case there was not enough maTivation. 3) When it is attached, any system will have its own Hercules or Serdyukov.
                11. frog
                  frog 18 January 2021 14: 46
                  0
                  1. I am glad for your optimism. But sometimes I look out the window ...
                  2. In my particular thirtieth birthday, as before, there is enough motivation for .... sorry, let's say, crooks. In other cases, everything would be somehow funny ...
                  3. Hercules - at the storytellers. Stooltkin should not be remembered. But he did 33 destructive one useful action. Pretzels had the same efficiency as before. Only there the money flowed incorrectly))))
                12. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 15: 39
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                  1) And also looking back. For 5-10 years. Yes, even by 2-3 - count the old articles of the same Klimov here. 2) In many accomplices, MATIVATION is also enough 3) A common misconception - he did a lot of useful things - before him, no one dared to touch these Augean stables.
                13. frog
                  frog 18 January 2021 15: 46
                  0
                  1. And I can look back and even back. And to imagine what we wanted to do in the union. Moreover, since, as I have already said, I have a pretty good idea of ​​what is happening with the blotter in general. Sho from the civil, sho from the military. So, alas, I don't have enthusiasm. How would not like. But I try not to get into questions of faith unless absolutely necessary ...
                  2. See above. I don't discuss questions of faith.
                  3. And I didn’t say that he didn’t do anything good at all. From only everything has almost returned to normal. And he did his own thing, the right guys took part in the process))). Yes, and got crazy, according to rumors, on the same - slightly rusty ...
                14. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 16: 20
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                  1) There is no union for a long time - it makes no sense to compare with it. 2) this is not a matter of faith - it is a matter of will ("there was no clear command, master" (c) 3) I first look at what was done, and only then - with what costs.
                15. frog
                  frog 18 January 2021 17: 07
                  +1
                  1. So you are comparing with some back ...
                  2. The question of faith in this case is what such a team will be. And also the fact that it will be fulfilled.
                  3. And what is the final score?))) Or do you limit yourself "first" ??
                16. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 19: 24
                  0
                  Some time ago, these were comparable conditions (the volume and quality of resources, the international situation, legislation, ideology, the system of coercion, etc.). 2) Experience shows that if the current government needs it, it knows how to act toughly and decisively. 3) My final assessment of Serdyukov's activities is 90% positive.
                17. frog
                  frog 18 January 2021 19: 48
                  0
                  And what can be comparable conditions with kleptocracy, sorry? Uganda? Or do I remind you what is growing with our heroic space? That is, based on your clause 2 of the power, it is not ... not necessary?
                  And for item 3 - you have nothing to do with the defense industry or shoulder straps?
                18. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 20: 13
                  0
                  1,2) In principle, you are right - civil space does not play a big role neither in defense, nor in politics, nor in the economy. But he is a clear example of a "correct patriot" who has grasped the trough. 3) I don’t. Therefore, I can judge impartially.
                19. frog
                  frog 18 January 2021 20: 18
                  0
                  And, accordingly, the authorities do not give a damn about the pennies that are regularly profited? Not bad.
                  3. From here it is a little more complicated. To judge impartially, you must at least know the laws. IMHO. In this case, being an outsider, ..... I personally am not ready to discuss the problems of theoretical physics, alas. Or the same ballet repeat
                20. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 21: 35
                  0
                  1) Why just profuking? They are poking around on the sly, something is flying, being developed for the future and okay. Again, the patriot is attached to the case - does not interfere. 2) it is not science or legal proceedings. Here you must have common sense and understand a little about the topic.
                21. frog
                  frog 18 January 2021 22: 12
                  0
                  1. If this is not a profligation, then I envy your scale.
                  3. Of course, why know something for defense))) You can say everything right away ...
                  All the best
                22. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 23: 52
                  0
                  1) This is not my scale - this is the scale of spending on the Russian budget. 2) There is no need to "know for defense" - you must be able to adequately assess the arguments of the parties. Have a nice one you too.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 15: 30
    +2
    And what has grown together? He is extremely dependent on Western technology and science. In fact, this is a large factory working for the countries of the golden billion for food. Well, with a claim, yes.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 18 January 2021 10: 05
    +4
    Quote: clerk
    need to attract foreigners to move production

    They only carry the screwdriver assembly. The technology remains in the homeland of the brand. So do not rely on an outside uncle.
    In addition, we have a large enough domestic market to develop our own production and have a sales market. And to protect their market, the institution of customs duties is used by all countries.
    As for the need to restore vocational schools, it is natural, without competent personnel, production cannot be raised.
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 11: 13
    -2
    Screwdriver assembly is the first stage, followed by an increase in localization (this is happening now). With the expectation specifically for the domestic market. Technologies are gradually being transferred. But this process is slow and is designed for decades. That they can survive relatively calmly (how much Stolypin wanted for his reform?) And that modern armed forces with nuclear weapons and financial stability are needed. Otherwise, even without a war, they will suffocate with financial measures. Experts know how 2014 passed in this sense and how they suppressed the real massive one-time capital withdrawal by American funds. (And not the fictional one hysterically voiced by some clicky patriots ")
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 18 January 2021 18: 14
    +4
    Quote: clerk
    Screwdriver assembly is the first stage, followed by increased localization

    There is no need to pass off what you want as valid. I live in Togliatti, AvtoVAZ buys all "localization" in China from us. And local subcontractors are closing. AvtoVAZ unit and many others. Residents of Syzran and Dimitrovgrad will tell you how many enterprises that previously worked at VAZ have now gone bankrupt.
    At VAZ, KVTs (building of auxiliary shops), UGK, PTO, that is, those departments that were engaged in the design and manufacture of equipment, were liquidated. Previously, Kawasaki robots and automatic welding lines were located in the welding shops, now welding is done on carousel tables of the 50s model. The French considered manual labor to be cheaper.
    Over the past five years, several auto giants have curtailed production in Russia, leaving nothing but unemployed.
    So what kind of technology transfer are you talking about?
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 19: 41
    -1
    1) And what is AvtoVAZ currently producing - some modern models? 2) Closed down due to a sales crisis. It is transitory. Or do you think that the state office was subsidizing unprofitable auto production?
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 19 January 2021 07: 28
    +2
    Quote: clerk
    And what is AvtoVAZ currently producing - some modern models?

    Its price niche, at the level of KIA and Hyundai.
    Quote: clerk
    ) Curtailed due to a sales crisis.

    You are not in the know about the factory. Moreover, not everything can be considered only from the point of profitability. For example, children and elderly parents are not profitable from the word at all.
    I don’t know whether you understand the analogy or not, but the British won the battle for the skies during WWII by organizing the production of aircraft at car factories.
  • clerk
    clerk 19 January 2021 08: 37
    -1
    1) Well, then AvtoVAZ is not an example of modern technology. However, he is not an example of foreign production in Russia, and why you brought him as an example I do not understand. 2) Your analogies are extremely lame on both legs. Since the Battle of England, aircraft have become much more sophisticated than cars. However, I am not against the preservation of factories such as Avtovaz, but there is no need to make claims to those who make them profitable.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 19 January 2021 09: 29
    +2
    Quote: clerk
    However, he is not an example of foreign production in Russia, and why you brought him as an example I do not understand
    Controlling stake in Renault / Nissan.
    A LADY personally participated in its sale, from the high stands it was broadcast that VAZ would only win from the sale, the French would bring technology. And where is it all? In fact, only reductions. Another example of the lies of the top officials of the state.
    Quote: clerk
    Your analogies are extremely lame on both legs.
    Your argumentation is lame. The Saulettes were an example. Under the Union, AvtoVAZ was reconfigured for the production of armored vehicles within two weeks. This is a historical fact. In addition, the value of factories in qualified personnel, and the French in the first place lost the entire scientific and technical base, the engineers were reduced.
    Any conflict implies loss. How are you going to replenish them?
  • clerk
    clerk 19 January 2021 10: 30
    0
    1) What alternative did AvtoVAZ have at the time of its sale to Renault - could it compete with imports? 2) If qualified personnel cannot produce products or services demanded by the buyer (it does not matter - in the person of the state or an ordinary f / l), then their qualifications are in the past. 3) This one depends on the scale and duration of the conflict. I strongly suspect that what is on the storage bases will be enough for a couple of years. And this is without a nuclear war.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 19 January 2021 11: 17
    +2
    Quote: clerk
    he could compete with imports

    First place in car sales in Russia. As I said, its own price niche. The Chinese started with cheaper and lower quality cars 20 years ago, and where are they today? They are pushing the Japanese and Koreans out of the market.
  • clerk
    clerk 19 January 2021 14: 22
    0
    Pevoe - what year is this?
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 19 January 2021 15: 42
    0
    At the time of the sale of the controlling stake
  • clerk
    clerk 19 January 2021 16: 29
    0
    Before the sale of Renault, was Avtovaz profitable?
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 19 January 2021 16: 45
    +1
    Yes. There were tax arrears, but the plant pulled the entire social network of Togliatti. The French threw off the social program, and came out with a plus, it's no wonder. If we reduce debit to credit, the budget has lost, because the city is now pulling social services.
  • clerk
    clerk 19 January 2021 18: 01
    +1
    Vicki: As a result, almost 22,5 thousand employees of the company were laid off in 2009. The period of the crisis affected the quality of the products: in October 2009, in the presentation of its business plan, AvtoVAZ noted that it produces cars of “extremely low” quality, and called itself ineffective in many ways. One of the reasons for this situation was called "the low quality of purchased components." [28]
    At the same time, in October 2009, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation, in a letter to the government apparatus, stated that in its current form, OJSC AvtoVAZ is actually not viable, being in a pre-bankruptcy state (according to the calculations of the Ministry, at the beginning of 2010 the plant's debt will be amount to RUB 76,3 billion).
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 19 January 2021 19: 42
    0
    The same Google to help, how many people were fired after. And the fact that it is negative about the plant, it is clear how else to justify the sale of state property to foreigners. request
    But the fact remains - the market share in Russia was over 50%. And the plant worked in profit. With such indicators, the plant is sold either by full dabbles or by crooks.
  • clerk
    clerk 19 January 2021 21: 23
    0
    Against the background of the 2008-2009 crisis, the plant became unprofitable, the debt exceeded $ 2 billion, and the quality fell below the plinth. The reference to Togliatinsko housing and communal services does not work - such debts could be created by housing and communal services only if the entire population of the city did not pay for utilities for a couple of years. Your explanation does not work.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 20 January 2021 06: 46
    +1
    You are not at all in the subject of the plant, its finances, debts and its income. Consider only the debts of the plant, but they forgot to count the debts to the plant. Judge the losses of a plant by a short period of time, while absolutely all car plants have losses during a crisis. But no one is in a hurry to sell them. In addition, you are absolutely unaware that before the sale of the plant, he was allocated a subsidy of 2 billion. for the purchase of the B-0 platform, from the same French. This is what debt is made of.
    And you don't need to talk about quality - Kalina is quite a high-quality car for its price.
    And social sphere is not housing and communal services, but kindergartens, social and cultural life, dispensaries.
    The sale of the plant is a direct betrayal of the interests of the state by the first persons of the state. And there are plenty of such examples throughout the country.
    If you want to communicate further, study the topic not only on the wiki.
  • clerk
    clerk 20 January 2021 10: 00
    0
    At first you wrote off the problems on taxes, then on social services, now on subsidies. In this regard, the question arises - what was this subsidy spent on? Again - a subsidy of 2 billion rubles or dollars? Moreover, unlike a loan, the subsidy does not require a return. And kindergartens with stadiums against the background of a debt of> 2 billion dollars are a penny. In general, the more I compare open data with your information, the more I am convinced that the plant was banally plundered by the management and Renault had to be involved to cover up this war. I fully admit that government officials were in the stake, but the initiative clearly came from the management of the plant (or the crime behind it), which covered up their sins with a possible social crisis.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 20 January 2021 11: 33
    +1
    Quote: clerk
    Your information - the more I am convinced that the plant was banally plundered by the management and Renault had to be involved to cover up this war.

    And in Renault, fools are sitting, right? In addition, in recent years, Moscow, near-government management has been involved in the management of the plant. Azarov, Komarov - familiar names?
    2 billion debt is just that interest-free subsidy allocated by the state for the purchase of the B-0 platform from Renault. Hence the debt.
    And the content of social services for 10 years is by no means a penny.
  • clerk
    clerk 20 January 2021 21: 16
    0
    You did not answer the question - the subsidy of 2 billion - in what currency? As for the "Moscow management", it appears where the owners or native management have already brought the situation to the handle, and Muscovites demand their share.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 20 January 2021 21: 20
    +1
    Rubles. But you are too distracted by the flies, completely forgetting about the cutlets.
    So what technologies do foreigners bring here, apart from speculative ones?
  • clerk
    clerk 20 January 2021 22: 23
    0
    That has losses of almost 2,5 billion dollars (!) In your opinion is it flies? "Schaub, I lived like that!" (C). As for specific technologies, I'm not in the subject, but I will ask you to comment on the official link from the technological ones: https://www.lada.ru/press-releases/section_39189/117263.html
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 21 January 2021 06: 14
    +1
    Quote: clerk
    Is it flies to yours? "
    Once again, this is in rubles, and not losses, but debts.
    But in 2016 AvtoVAZ reported losses, 8,5 billion. rub.
    In terms of technology, I do not consider the transfer of technology to automatic carts running in parallel with the conveyor and performing 2 (!) Operations.
    I think it's time to end the conversation, due to its aimlessness.
  • clerk
    clerk 22 January 2021 19: 32
    0
    1) in 2016 - this is Renault's losses for Avtovaz. 2010 the debts of the Russian Avtovaz are 76 billion rubles, of which 2 billion are subsidies from the Russian government. 2) was it more technological before the arrival of the French?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 19: 13
    +3
    Quote: clerk
    Otherwise, even without a war, they will suffocate with financial measures.

    Yes, our capital itself will safely strangle the country with its financial measures. And enemies will not be required. You have gathered with the middle class for 17 sput. to make breakouts and jerks without swinging? Or with the fraternal wild Central Asians guest workers? In this regard, the coronavirus epidemic is very indicative. As an example of an effective capitalist organization of labor. When, as a result of the work of the invisible hand of the market, medicine hardly functions even in a normal mode. And when you go out of the normal mode, the horror begins because the reserves are eliminated in the course of any cost optimization.
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 19: 43
    -1
    And why is this stream of consciousness? I spoke about the failed attempt to bring down the Russian financial system on the model of 1998, and what are you talking about?
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 22: 04
    +3
    You have a parallel reality in your head with remogs. Just like Svidomo Ukrainians. I mean that we do not need to destroy the system, it collapses itself. Simply thanks to the objective laws of capitalism. But yes, it is difficult for a small-handed driver to understand this simple fact, yes. Nobles lick to be oak.
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 23: 40
    -2
    It’s in your head all the fun. I can compare what happened 15 years ago and now, but you are just lamenting. "- Aaaaa! We're all going to die! Yes?
    - Yes.
    - Aaaaaaa!
    (FROM). Moreover, you do not give the impression of "an adherent of the Temple of Plan and Purpose" and do not offer "to grow honest patriots in a test tube to replace Putin." So either nudge (possibly roll) or just troll. By the way, today's Russia in the economic sense is close to Stalinism.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 19 January 2021 12: 03
    +2
    But this is banal demagoguery. I remember very well what happened in the 90s. But unlike you, I do not experience a stormy corporate euphoria about some prettier things.
    How are you going to grow them? These adepts? Taking into account the basis, the superstructure will be the same. And Putin is the spokesman for the interests of the ruling class. Nafig it is needed in version 2.0. And nafig this mysticism of already musty prokhanokurginyatiny was lucky. Abomination. By the way, today's Russia is close to Stalinism only in the minds of the liberals. Which again confirms my idea of ​​different labels, but the same essence that liberals and patriots.
  • clerk
    clerk 19 January 2021 14: 28
    0
    You do not understand me corny. I am not a supporter of a return to the Soviet system, and I am not a liberal. I would call it Moderate Conservatism. As for Stalinism in the economy, this is not a label, but a simple comparison - 70% of the economy belongs to the state and all this works on market principles. It is clear that now everything is more liberal, but the essence remains.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 19 January 2021 15: 11
    +1
    Quote: clerk
    I am not a supporter of a return to the Soviet system, and I am not a liberal. I would call it Moderate Conservatism.

    Uh-huh. Conservatism. With fences and gallows for vagrancy. Already funny and sad.
    Quote: clerk
    As for Stalinism in the economy, this is not a label, but a simple comparison - 70% of the economy belongs to the state and all this works on market principles.

    As for Stalinism in the economy, this is your bullshit. For all its shortcomings, the Stalinist economy at least at least declared a movement towards communism. The same capitalist shit drags us into the abyss under your protective mournful mantras about you need to be patient and unite, and in general it's good here, but in America, whites are lynched. And with regards to 70 percent of the state where these figures come from? There is still an opinion that this is another guardian lie. And given the gradual sluggish privatization, this is more to be believed.
    Quote: clerk
    It is clear that now everything is more liberal, but the essence remains.

    Demagoguery detective. The essence is completely different. Put an equal sign between Hitler's Germany and the current Putin's Russia, this will be one hundred percent hit. In general, standard guardian nonsense.
  • clerk
    clerk 19 January 2021 15: 41
    0
    Excuse me, at first I perceived you as an adequate person. Now I see that I was mistaken - a standard illiterate crap about goals, communism, fascism, etc.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 19 January 2021 19: 36
    +2
    And what is this literate? smile Which one is yours? Well I'm sorry people. Your demagoguery has not worked. You can cry or something. So the proofs will be 70 percent of the state economy? The one that is Stalinist in your words, but at the same time, for some reason, with private ownership of the means of production. I wonder how much you bots like patriots get paid for posting this nonsense.
  • clerk
    clerk 19 January 2021 21: 31
    -2
    Proofs for you? You will trample. If you are literate, you yourself will find who owns enterprises in the fuel and energy complex, transport, defense industry, energy, 7 out of 10 largest banks, who sponsor agriculture, etc., etc., etc. Well, if even this is not able to be verified, read on about the goals of communism, the fascist rkzhim and Putin's trolls, who are trying to drive at least some basic knowledge into stupid maydaunnye bosses.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 20 January 2021 13: 54
    +1
    Clear. There are no proofs. And immediately a hysteria about Ukraine and the Maidan. When will you, paid henchmen of capital, stop firing so stupidly?
  • clerk
    clerk 20 January 2021 14: 37
    -1
    What kind of Ukraine.? Maidan bosses are dummies that are littered with lies and colored demagoguery (in your case, kraasny). You were clearly told that you need to google at least in the same Wiki, and you huddled in another hysteria about Putin's paid trolls. That is, you are incapable of a reasonable discussion.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 21 January 2021 22: 24
    0
    Googling what ?! You, paid, were asked to provide proofs. And you started to translate arrows into Google. And whistle about the Maidan. There are no proofs. One demagogic whistle. About the Maidan.
  • clerk
    clerk 22 January 2021 10: 48
    -1
    If you are all kind of free and you still believe in paid participation in discussions, then you are even more stupid than you try to seem. As for the advice to google, the keywords were given. If you are not able to google the owners of the largest energy, fuel, transport, companies and banks on Wiki, then you are a typical maydaun.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 24 January 2021 14: 51
    0
    Once again for the gifted. You whistled about 70 percent, you have to prove it. You demanded proof from others? Kindly introduce them yourself. In the meantime, you will remain in status - a banal guardian yap.
  • clerk
    clerk 24 January 2021 16: 22
    0
    I haven’t asked anything from you yet - your intellectual level is clear to me. Therefore, do not hide behind others. Google at least on Wiki. As a donation, I can say that 70% of the banking sector is controlled by the state. Your first task is to voice the owners of Russian Railways.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 31 January 2021 19: 18
    0
    You will give assignments to your young children with pathetic yap. From whom you do not differ in your level of intelligence. Calm down the clown.
  • clerk
    clerk 31 January 2021 19: 58
    0
    You couldn’t work up the owners of Russian Railways in a week and was born only with this miserable lamentation?
  • ccsr
    ccsr 19 January 2021 12: 17
    +1
    Quote: clerk
    Unlike you, I am familiar not only with the "theoretical basics of economics from textbooks", but also in some way practice.

    You are reasoning sensibly, and those who have understood the university course of Soviet political economy will agree with you. The whole trouble is that it has not been taught for almost thirty years, and the economic knowledge of modern university graduates, even in this profile, is too primitive, that's why everything is simple with them, and it is worth removing Siluanov, and immediately we will heal like Christ in the bosom ... Many simply do not understand what our capitalist economy is, how it works, and why we are so dependent on world shocks, if only because of the same covid.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 17 January 2021 15: 24
    +7
    Quote: clerk
    Critics of the financial policy of the current authorities do not understand this corny.

    You really ate shit and fish soup there? What is the financial policy? What are you grinding? The entire policy of the Ministry of Finance is to link budget items by depreciating the ruble against the dollar. Neither put barriers to the withdrawal of capital, nor make sensible proposals on tax legislation, nor move to the indexation of salaries and pensions by means of a fixed surcharge, nor ... They have not done a damn thing in 30 years ...
    Quote: clerk
    This problem cannot be solved with a single waving of a saber - many years are needed

    You have been waving a saber for 30 years, and of all the achievements you have received:
    Russian production lags far behind Western ones. Even if you start producing equipment right now, the huge gap between the technological achievements of our country and the more developed countries in this area is likely to lead to failure. There are practically no companies in Russia that can provide the market with innovative solutions.
    All that remains for Russian manufacturers at the moment is copy the equipment of foreign companies or buy licenses to use patents for huge amounts of money. According to experts, it is either too late or too expensive to master the element base on your own.

    And so in any industry ... Everywhere ... Therefore, in Russia there is no development of its own production ... Therefore, the money is ballast in no one knows where ...
    1. clerk
      clerk 17 January 2021 15: 47
      -11%
      You are just frankly balaboling, not understanding anything about capital outflow, taxes, or income / expenses. And if you are not able to compare the dynamics of at least 10 years (not to mention 30), then you are a banal propagandist
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 18 January 2021 09: 28
        0
        And who are you?
        1. clerk
          clerk 18 January 2021 10: 00
          -1
          If you want to know something about others - first tell about yourself.
          1. Varyag71
            Varyag71 18 January 2021 13: 41
            0
            How much do you get for the minus? Rich, I suppose.
            1. clerk
              clerk 18 January 2021 14: 03
              0
              I have long since left the age and state when virtual stripes and medals meant something. And I do not consider it necessary to minus someone for the sake of flawed pride. But if you are so worried about these pluses - beep, I'll give it - I'm not sorry.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 20 January 2021 18: 05
    0
    Clerk, are you definitely writing about Russia? - "In real life, the problem is not in the absence of cheap loans, but in the absence of demand for them from the production workers." - Oh really? Do industrialists need cheap loans? - Especially small and medium-? - Apparently because we have few real "production workers". This is when chickens do not peck money, because there is no money. That's why we do not know what to do with woodworking, as much as the ban on the export of round timber was postponed due to "economic expediency".
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 09: 47
    +1
    Shovel tax laws ???? Are you out of your mind or what ??? To whom and why ??? They already feel good, again, almost all of them are bankers, whose raw materials are, they are still warm enough now ...
    1. clerk
      clerk 18 January 2021 10: 03
      +2
      What exactly is proposed to shovel? Because such proposals have a downside in the form of a drop in budget revenues. And shouts about the stabilization fund and gold reserves will not help here - this money will not last long.
      1. frog
        frog 18 January 2021 10: 05
        0
        Sorry, colleague, but this is not me))) I still understand that shoveling can be useful, but ...... There are still a few more body movements ..... Various ...... Energetic ... ....
        IChSH, little liked by the population repeat
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 18: 52
        +2
        Do you know. So I read how another import-substituted billionaire buys a yacht that costs as much as several hundred new BMP-3s, while here at VO some stupid comrades rejoice at the modernization of a pitiful hundred BMP-1s and I have some bad unpatriotic suspicions that in such situations we have there will never be enough money for anything.
        1. clerk
          clerk 19 January 2021 10: 41
          -1
          In 2021, the PFR budget will amount to 9,6 trillion rubles. 8,4 trillion rubles will be allocated for the payment of pensions, and 425 billion rubles for the monthly cash payment. How many yachts can this money buy?
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 19 January 2021 12: 54
            0
            Something around 115. If the cost of a billion dollars loved by patriots. If you believe the garbage dump of Forbes billionaires something a little over a hundred. If what are we going to fight back with yachts? Or will there be another overcoming of the next 9th company? Of course, women still give birth. And, no stops give birth. Our demography sucks. Sadness. Like a penny wanted to say? Nichrome is not a penny. And that's just the billionaires. And if the rest of the surplus value is to be dug up?
            1. clerk
              clerk 19 January 2021 14: 16
              -1
              A yacht worth $ 1 billion? Can you cut sturgeon 10 times like this? Like the rest of the lamentations?
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 19 January 2021 14: 38
                +1
                Well, cut it back. Abramovich. The yacht is not mine.
              2. clerk
                clerk 19 January 2021 16: 33
                0
                If about Abramovich's yacht for 600 million dollars, then this is "news" 10 years ago. Moreover, there were no questions about taxes and his business to him.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 17 January 2021 09: 47
    +17
    Quote: clerk
    Therefore, you can spend it in two ways.

    To spend money, two ways are clearly not enough. You need to spend money with a purpose. And this is the main point. Do we have a goal for the government? Perhaps .. but this goal clearly does not intersect with the well-being of citizens and the greatness of the country.
    If there was a goal, control, responsibility, a planned economy ... then in terms of economic growth, we would be the first in the world.
    1. clerk
      clerk 17 January 2021 10: 20
      -12%
      Will not work - the growth rate of the economy decreases as demand is satisfied, regardless of the planned or market economy. Yes, they can be inflated by imposing needs, cheap loans or government spending, but this is a temporary measure after which a crisis still comes.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 17 January 2021 10: 27
        +18
        economic growth rates decline as demand is met, regardless of planned or market economies

        In our case, the demand is not satisfied at all, given the fact that there are very few goods of own production. The pharmaceutical industry is 70-80% dependent on the West, Electronics -90-95%, mechanical engineering, light industry -90% dependence .. and so on .. in all industries. Agree, there is room to strive .. while our real market is 200-250 mln ... and with skillful diplomacy, China is nearby .. considering that we have one of the lowest wages in the world and practically free energy ..
        So the potential is huge .. the managers are flawed.
        1. clerk
          clerk 17 January 2021 10: 46
          -10%
          Our managers are flesh from the flesh of the rest of the people, and their average professional level is much higher than those hairdressers, taxi drivers and retired majors who are the best in Russia who understand how to manage the state, the economy, the defense industry, and other common things. As for the figures you quoted, they are correct, but only financial policy cannot change them - this requires many years of development of our own production, protectionism, squeezing out markets and other import substitution. How long has there been a lot of whining here about EI for frigates and corvettes and EMs thrown into the slop? Here is a clear example of the problems that arise even in the absence of foreign competition. And in other areas, you have to butt with foreign manufacturers and the governments of foreign countries that support them. So ace is much more difficult than just changing Putin, Siluanov or Nabiullina. Or are you proposing to simply close the country following the example of North Korea?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 17 January 2021 11: 03
            +9
            Quote: clerk
            this requires many years of development of its own production, protectionism, squeezing out markets and other import substitution

            We have been developing with such managers for 30 years now. How much more is 150 years needed? But under Stalin, in 30 years, the state changed beyond recognition ..
            So ace is much more difficult than just changing Putin, Siluanov or Nabiullina. Or are you proposing to simply close the country following the example of North Korea?

            The difficulty is where to find statists and true patriots and how to lead them to governing the country. As for the above characters, then everything is just simple .. they proved their worthlessness long ago and they definitely need to be changed.
            1. clerk
              clerk 17 January 2021 11: 15
              -10%
              Under Stalin there was a resource - a cheap and massive labor force and a brutal coercive apparatus Now there is no such resource. Therefore, your reference to Stalin is completely past the box office. As for your assessment of the current managers, these are bare emotions that are not based on anything. Threatening language is always easier than running a business. However, I can give an example of such criticism in business - the professional Russian patriot and journalist Dmitry Rogozin, who made her famous with formidable tweets, became Deputy Prime Minister and is now the chief in space. I hope you like the result of his work.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 17 January 2021 11: 18
                +11
                Quote: clerk
                Under Stalin there was a resource - a cheap and massive labor force and a brutal coercive apparatus Now there is no such resource. Therefore, your reference to Stalin is completely past the box office.

                I mean, do we have no labor force now, or is it highly paid? wassat Was it coercion? That is, at gunpoint Stalin drove everyone to work ..?
                as for your assessment of the current managers, these are bare and not based emotions

                Just on the facts .. and only on the facts ..
                I hope you like the result of his work.

                So there everyone is like that .. and the results are the same ..
                1. clerk
                  clerk 17 January 2021 11: 33
                  -12%
                  1) Yes, now in Russia a professional labor force is expensive by world standards. The compulsion was that all the chatterboxes dissatisfied with the power were driven behind Mozhai or into the nearest ravine. And the others knew it. 2) You have 0.00 facts, and your interpretation is empty emotions. 3) "There" is different. But outright morons are far fewer among them than among their critics.
                2. Svarog
                  Svarog 17 January 2021 11: 53
                  +16
                  Yes, now in Russia the professional labor force is expensive by world standards.

                  As of May 20, 2020, Russia ranked 104th out of 165 countries in terms of salary. Now I think we have slipped even lower. And in your opinion, we have high salaries. Do you broadcast from Russia at all?
                  https://emigrating.ru/rejtingi-srednih-zarplat-v-stranah-mira/
                  The compulsion was that all the talkers dissatisfied with the government were driven behind Mozhai or into the nearest ravine.

                  And drove a lot? Read here .. https://topwar.ru/178958-masshtaby-stalinskih-repressij-mif-i-pravda.html
                  Before enemies people drove, and now those who are against thieves or bourgeois .. feel the difference? You were brainwashed by liberal propaganda with regard to the Stalin era.
                  Facts you have 0.00

                  I have just everything on the facts .. but from you they are not .. and it cannot be. You agree that everything is bad, but you do not agree that the managers are to blame .. it looks ridiculous .. Who do you think is to blame?
                3. clerk
                  clerk 17 January 2021 12: 24
                  -18%
                  Unlike you, I broadcast from Russia and can expose the lies of your source - the average salary in Russia in June 2020 was 52 thousand dirty and 45 thousand clean. (Rosstat data), and not at all 29-30 thousand, which you brought with reference to FIG knows what. I know about Stalin's time no less than yours, so your empty slogans are not being rolled around here. And I do not agree that everything is bad and I certainly do not agree with Sharikovism on the topic "we will change managers and everything will quickly become good." These are written by people who have never been in charge of anything in their lives.
                4. Svarog
                  Svarog 17 January 2021 12: 38
                  +15
                  Quote: clerk
                  These are written by people who have never been in charge of anything in their lives.

                  Here I agree .. you definitely did not lead anyone ..
                  (Rosstat data), and not at all 29-30 thousand, which you brought with reference to FIG knows that

                  You are a reasonable person .. I hope .. what 52 thousand? Here at my enterprise there are about a hundred people, of which 70% -25 tons receive, 25% -35-40 thousand and only 4 people are above 50 .. And teachers in schools, doctors .. 25 tons .. Of course, if you take into account Siluanov's salary, Sechin and others like them .. that can be average and will be 52 ..
                  But the most interesting thing is not in this, the salary in the table is also compared in $ .. maybe the average salary is a million, but what can you buy for it. We have miserable wages and this is an obvious fact, and even in China salaries since 2014 are significantly higher than ours and the gap is only growing.
                  And I do not agree with the fact that everything is bad and I certainly do not agree with Sharikovism on the topic "we will change managers and everything will quickly become good

                  "It will be good" - it will depend on whom we change managers. And the fact that these ... need to drive everyone in the neck for a long time is an obvious fact, which is based on economic, demographic and social indicators ..
                5. clerk
                  clerk 17 January 2021 12: 55
                  -13%
                  My guiding experience is really small, but psychology changes. You do not seem to have it at all. Again, "At your enterprise" - what about a factory for breeding cockroaches at home? 25 thousand is the salary of a cashier in Pyaterochka. Teachers and doctors earn 1,5-2 times more and, moreover, have the opportunity to earn extra money. Attaching the dollar equivalent to the conversation speaks of your ignorance in the matter of comparing the standard of living - then compare prices in dollars. You seem to be an emigrant or write with some Ukraine. Therefore, you select the indicators according to the State Department manual and the requirements for a change of leadership - from the same place. And all your "patriotism" is just a disguise.
                6. Svarog
                  Svarog 17 January 2021 13: 09
                  +11
                  Quote: clerk
                  My guiding experience is really small,

                  This is noticeable .. I've seen enough of these .. laughing
                  Quote: clerk
                  25 thousand is the salary of a cashier in Pyaterochka.

                  Note "Pyaterochka and Magnit" are the largest employers in Russia. And draw conclusions about the average salary in the country.
                  Attaching the dollar equivalent to the conversation speaks of your illiteracy in comparing the standard of living

                  Yeah .. it's difficult with an illiterate wassat Let me remind you of the beginning of the conversation .. so that you understand which of us is illiterate ..
                  I wrote this ..

                  In our case, the demand is not satisfied at all, given the fact that there are very few goods of own production. The pharmaceutical industry is 70-80% dependent on the west, electronics -90-95%, mechanical engineering, light industry -90% dependence .. and so on .. in all industries. Agree, there is room for improvement ..

                  and that you answered ..
                  As for the figures you quoted, they are correct, but only financial policy cannot change them.

                  In other words, you agreed that everything we have is imported or a screwdriver assembly, the proceeds of which go again to Western shareholders .. Well, if this is so .. then with the weakening of the ruble, purchasing power decreases and the quality of the purchased goods decreases .. The ruble has depreciated by 30% this year, accordingly, everything will rise in price by 30% .. or even more .. From which we can conclude that the salary is better to count in dollars. I tried to chew as much as possible .. as much as possible, I hope you can master it.
                  You seem to be an emigrant or write with some Ukraine.

                  Well it started .. the arguments are over laughing
                  And all your "patriotism" is just a disguise.

                  What am I disguising myself from? Tell me ... very interesting.
                7. clerk
                  clerk 17 January 2021 15: 10
                  -9
                  1) I understand that in 20 years of work in a western company (as a watchman or as a driver?) You might have seen many. But to understand something is very unlikely. 2) the total number of employees in Pyatorochka and Magnet is 500 thousand. In one Russian Railways - more than 700. You simply do not know the facts. 3) In other words, you simply do not understand how profits from imports are distributed and therefore you are trying to ascribe your fantasies to me. 4) You ran out of them (although you did not have them initially) when you began to find out if I live in Russia and carry a blizzard about liberal propaganda. 5) Want to know what you screw up on in your ostentatious patriotism? Excuse me - on cheap puffing of cheeks (20 years in a Western company, I've seen such people, at my factory); on a purely emigrant recalculation of wages in dollars and linking price increases to exchange rate increases; on the senseless demand to disperse everyone in the absence of a sane alternative. A complete set of a sausage emigrant, broadcasting according to a Western training manual, but trying to pretend to be a patriot of Russia,
                8. Svarog
                  Svarog 17 January 2021 15: 55
                  +6
                  2) the total number of employees in Pyatorochka and Magnet is 500 thousand. In one Russian Railways - more than 700. You simply don’t know the facts.

                  The fact is that you do not want to estimate the number of people with low wages on a national scale .. I gave Pyaterochka and Magnet to you as an example .. but if everything is bad with you, I will do it for you .. the largest employers influence formation of salary in the industry .. accordingly, all retail we earn about the same, and this is 5,5 ml. man..
                  Probably you know how to add numbers?
                  Information on how many trade workers in Russia officially worked in
                  2017, published in the official Rosstat yearbook "All Russia", and it is unlikely that their number has decreased over the past two years.

                  According to the data of this organization, the average annual number of employees of trade organizations engaged in wholesale trade was 2 people. In organizations that trade in retail, the number of workers employed almost half a million - 474 people.

                  More ..
                  Guards, about two million .. and this is a private security company .. there are also simple guards, of which at least 300 tons will be typed .. Let's add 2,3 ml here. https://business--gazeta-ru.turbopages.org/business-gazeta.ru/s/article/356918
                  Further teachers, kindergarten teachers .. another 2,5 ml .. https://business--gazeta-ru.turbopages.org/business-gazeta.ru/s/article/356918
                  Next .. junior and middle nursing staff
                  The number of nursing and pharmaceutical personnel in 2019 exceeded 1,3 million people, the leaders and outsiders in terms of the number of employees were the same regions.

                  In 2019, there were more than 264,7 thousand nursing staff in Russia
                  Подробнее: https://vademec.ru/news/2020/02/10/rosstat-v-2019-godu-v-rossii-rabotali-bolee-565-tysyach-vrachey/
                  Total 1,5 ml. man..
                  Further, I will not list other categories of low-paid ... in which a very large number of the population falls, office clerks, operators, all kinds of assistants ... engineers (yes ... yes)
                  Let's move on to the results.
                  (the population of working age - from 83,7 million to 80,6 million), "the documents say.
                  Of them unemployed - 4,5 mln.
                  https://www.rbc.ru/economics/19/06/2020/5eecd9db9a7947e77b3bc058
                  Low-paid -11,5 ml people (less than 25 t rub.)
                  In total, this is 20% of people of working age .. as I wrote above, I did not take into account a sufficiently large number of low-paid (movers, cleaners, assistants, secretaries, office workers, etc.), other professions, of which another 20% plyusovat..total 40% of the population work for a beggarly salary, less than 25 tons of rubles .. That is, almost half of the citizens of Russia are on the brink of survival.
                9. clerk
                  clerk 17 January 2021 16: 17
                  -13%
                  Your attempts to "pull an owl on the globe" about "revealing a bunch of specialties as low-paid are untenable. A trivial example is that many guards simultaneously receive a military pension with a low salary. About 11%, even if there will be 20% of low-paid ones, you can agree (although many of them work for 2 jobs as cleaning women or moonlighting as doctors), but 40% is overt and false propaganda.
                10. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 January 2021 17: 49
                  -11%
                  "And that 40% of the population work for a beggarly salary, less than 25 tons of rubles." - This is definitely a complete lie.
                11. Svarog
                  Svarog 17 January 2021 18: 40
                  +9
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  "And that 40% of the population work for a beggarly salary, less than 25 tons of rubles." - This is definitely a complete lie.

                  So tell us the truth. Reinforce with numbers, preferably with links.
                12. clerk
                  clerk 17 January 2021 18: 59
                  -10%
                  At least one sane person was found. And then I really decided that there were solid "I am Crimean - the daughter of an officer" (c)
                13. Varyag71
                  Varyag71 18 January 2021 09: 38
                  +3
                  My service consists of 26 people. Of these, 20 people receive a salary of 24000-25000 rubles.
                14. clerk
                  clerk 18 January 2021 11: 00
                  0
                  If 24-25 is a salary, then how much are their salaries?
              2. frog
                frog 18 January 2021 09: 56
                0
                Oh, how ..... Well, then voice the average salary, in your opinion, if possible? About cool salaries and retired military ...
      2. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 18 January 2021 07: 08
        0
        If you are not in the subject, then close it. I have a wife and an honored teacher of Russia in mathematics. With a load of 30 (thirty) hours, she spends 6 thousand. She teaches mathematics. I would like to say it harder, but they will not miss
      3. clerk
        clerk 18 January 2021 09: 30
        0
        List her annual income from her main job for the last year. Then it will be clear who is lying by silence, and who is operating with facts.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: clerk
      My guiding experience is really small, but psychology changes.

      That's noticeable. The kid came to success. laughing
      Quote: clerk
      Teachers and doctors earn 1,5-2 times more and, moreover, have the opportunity to earn extra money.

      Science fiction writers are such science fiction writers.
    3. clerk
      clerk 18 January 2021 22: 04
      -1
      I can give a couple of plus signs
  • Tamer
    Tamer 20 January 2021 19: 48
    0
    Quote: clerk
    My guiding experience is really small, but psychology changes. You do not seem to have it at all. Again, "At your enterprise" - what do you have a factory for breeding cockroaches at home? 25 thousand is the salary of a cashier in Pyaterochka. Teachers and doctors earn 1,5-2 times more and, moreover, have the opportunity to earn extra money.

    Yes, teachers are likely to earn on average more than 25 thousand. Not everywhere, of course. Somewhere more ("elite" schools, additional payments by region), somewhere less (for example, there are several teachers for one place, but there is no other "white" job, so they divide the rate for 2-3 people).
    In an ordinary school I know, the average salary is about 35 thousand "dirty". But not everything is so simple with this "average" salary ... And with part-time jobs, not everything is as simple as you think.
    And the cashiers of "Pyaterochka" have nothing to do with it. Did you yourself sit at the checkout in Pyaterochka? He's still bread.
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 21 January 2021 11: 38
    -1
    Once again, I repeat to you The usual salary of a teacher in our regional center is not more than 22-23 thousand, and then taking into account 1,5 rates at least One rate is somewhere around 13 thousand I have already announced my wife's salary 24-25 thousand This is 30 hours, more than 1,5 rates and pay like the well-deserved 14 + 1Pro 35, read the regional reports of the governors less, and talk with ordinary teachers in the end, spend 6 hours of non-stop mathematics in 10 or 11 grades, another pleasure Try
  • Tamer
    Tamer 21 January 2021 12: 14
    0
    The situation with the "average" salary with a focus - 2-2,5 rates (and the teacher's rate was not just invented), classroom management, the highest category, an office, checking notebooks, etc. There is a regional surcharge up to the average. So he gets "average", but working for two. And we are not talking about any reports. Not only there are teachers next to you))
  • clerk
    clerk 22 January 2021 22: 57
    0
    Any job is not sugar. I agree about 35-40 thousand salaries of teachers in schools, although the question asked to Nikiforov about the annual income of his wife, a teacher at the main place of work, remained unanswered.
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 09: 53
    -1
    I'm sorry, but ..... "average salary", cited by you - what is it? There, as you know, there are many different ways to slightly toyvo ... to retouch in the right direction ... But the dull real that is outside the window - alas ...
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 10: 53
    0
    The average is given by Rosstat. According to their methods. Outside the window, too, not everything is so unambiguous - pennies work at many low rates, including young ones. Again, in Russia, since the Soviet era, there has remained a psychological feature to compare only salaries, and not all income for the year. It is more correct to compare in terms of GDP at PPP per capita. According to this indicator, Russia is in 53rd place out of 180 states.
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 11: 36
    +2
    Rosstat methods are known to us. As well as other guile. Sorry, but, say, in our university an assistant professor (average) for one rate and 40 tyr does not have. A college teacher is a quarter at best. At the same time, the data upstairs by the old leadership of the university were sent to themselves quite bravura ... It seems to me that not only at the university this is ... The same cleaning women (sorry, what a verb for low people))) began to receive almost two times less with simultaneous increase in the volume of work by one and a half times .......
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 12: 22
    -2
    I repeat - in Russia they prefer to voice rates and salaries, not income. Rosstat probably counts the entire payroll and the total number of employees. The income of teachers and teachers, taking into account vacations (including annual vacations), is difficult to compare head-on with the standard 8-hour work. in the afternoon.
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 12: 31
    0
    I did talk about income when I announced the amounts. Since there is no need for me to pump. real is quite enough)))
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 12: 36
    0
    Well, what is the annual income for 2020 at the university of an assistant professor at a rate of 40 thousand?
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 13: 04
    +1
    And the rate is not forty)))) This is about a rate with a quarter .... Because for one rate - I don't know such associate professors .... For one and a half or two, and more - I know. But we're sort of talking about the original TKshnyh labor hours, aren't we? This is how the security guard can receive the average, with 360 hours a month)))
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 13: 52
    0
    And the rate of an assistant professor is how many hours worked? Again, 1,5-2 "rates with a quarter" is already close to the "hospital average"
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 14: 10
    0
    So this is the money announced by the management and statistics, leaving at 1.5 - 2 rates .... And with one calculated, net - about 30 tyrs. Alas .... In addition, in this amusing business, just counting the hours ... is difficult. Throat, paper, others .... How?
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 14: 35
    0
    Well, I don’t know - if you can study hours by 2,5, add 8 hours for org business.
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 15: 48
    0
    What for? Nasyalnik voices a somewhat large figure, one and a half times. I suspect this is the number that goes into the reports ...
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 16: 14
    0
    Understood - please explain
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 16: 30
    0
    So you still won't believe it)))
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 16: 45
    0
    It's not a matter of faith)))
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 17: 10
    0
    Naturally. But you will not believe that, for example, in the "certificate of salary" one amount is indicated, and transfers to the pension mean a completely different one?)))
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 20: 22
    0
    This is a scam in its purest form.
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 22: 00
    0
    Certainly. And still sho?)))
  • clerk
    clerk 19 January 2021 09: 24
    +1
    I see two options 1) find another job and give the case a legal move, 2) Demand nishtyaki for silence (if you haven't received it yet).
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 19: 34
    +1
    The average salary has long been from the category of myths, legends of epics and other memes from Rosstat. And if you remember about the goat in the garden (Ministry of Economic Development), then in general everything becomes sad. The median is more consistent with reality. These noodles of yours don't roll.
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 20: 25
    0
    These are not my noodles, but the official statistics. Which so far no one has been able to refute. Although they tried - shaking salaries and rates. But on the proposal to announce the annual income, everyone fell silent.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 20 January 2021 18: 23
    +1
    Clerk, please explain what it means "drove for Mozhay" and who exactly. And then the attempt of the "Aesopian language" is somehow incoherent. Who drove whom? As for the "expensive" labor force, a very strong desire to put you on our assembly line, for a couple of months, at 18 tyrov / month, is purely for clearing your brain. And yet, yes, the assembly is tied to Chinese supplies, where the average salary of a worker for "Chinese subcontractors" is 4,3 thousand yuan. Take the Central Bank rate, calculator, count. Don't miss the toes.
  • clerk
    clerk 22 January 2021 23: 08
    0
    1) You are unfamiliar with the history of the USSR in the 20-30s. 20th century? 2) I am a meticulous person and I can begin to figure out what kind of conveyor, at which enterprise, how many hours per month they pay 18 thousand, some specialty is paid in 4300 yuan, etc. unpleasant details? If you are ready to answer, I will be glad to continue the discussion ...
  • andrew42
    andrew42 26 January 2021 13: 05
    0
    I do not disclose confidential information. And I'm not going to substitute my office. Maybe you still have the keys to the apartment where the money is? :) And in China, I lived for 3 years without getting out, and worked in one of the largest companies for the production of bicycle products, in the state, in a managerial position within the framework of a joint venture, I signed salary statements, you know. Not in Baostil, and not in Huawei, and not even in Nissan Dongfeng, but in a fairly ordinary (by Chinese standards, rad, according to ours - the largest) led (!) - company. Sort it out, if you please. And a saucer with a rim - you will manage. I'm not going to throw beads.
  • clerk
    clerk 26 January 2021 14: 42
    0
    Thank you for your answer - your subterfuges speak louder than any numbers. CHTD. Actually, this is happening here with everyone who overwhelms 25 thousand teachers' salaries, 24 thousand salaries in the group, assistant professor's rates, 18 thousand salaries on the assembly line, etc. eloquent but fragmentary data. As soon as questions about the annual income or salary per hour begin (your case), the angry pathos quickly ends and people either quietly merge, or begin to dodge and grimace (your case).
  • andrew42
    andrew42 26 January 2021 16: 29
    0
    Don't confuse warm with soft. There was no question of my personal salary. It was about the salary of Russian workers in the castle. And I'm not going to merge anywhere. But I do not intend to throw beads in front of you. You will still request access to personal data. I certainly heard that impudence is the second happiness, but I'm not going to please your Wishlist. I’m not on social media for that.
  • clerk
    clerk 26 January 2021 18: 24
    0
    Vykh brought data on the wages of workers on the assembly line at 18 thousand / month. I asked to clarify - at which enterprise and for how many hours per month. In response, you started demagoguery about supposedly confidential information, antics about beads and keys to the apartment, as well as the whine on duty about the heavy share of Russian workers in the castle. In principle, this is enough for me to understand the complete emptiness and worthlessness of your argumentation.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 27 January 2021 14: 03
    0
    I will stop squabbling with you. You are down to personality. There is nothing more to gut about. Then the swords must either ring, or we must go about our business. Each - to his own Russia. You - in the "Putin's statistical", me - in the production shops.
  • clerk
    clerk 27 January 2021 15: 49
    0
    Good. Try not to steal hard workers, otherwise 18 thousand are really not in any gate. Otherwise, you are the heads of production, you are furious with fat, people are poor, and Putin is to blame
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  • Captain45
    Captain45 17 January 2021 16: 24
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    Was it coercion? That is, at gunpoint Stalin drove everyone to work ..?

    In fairness, it should be noted that they did not drive under a gun, but for being late for work or absenteeism under I.V. one could get a couple of years in jail, and in the 70s-80s, after two official warnings from the district police officer for parasitism under Art.209, the Criminal Code could sit down for 2 years. This is certainly not an automatic device, but the prospect of spending 2 years in an exciting and interesting way, such as I. Brodsky or I. Guberman for parasitism, forced, albeit fictitiously, to find employment as stokers, janitors, even sitters.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 17 January 2021 16: 28
    +8
    Quote: Captain45

    In fairness, it should be noted that they did not drive under a gun, but for being late for work or absenteeism under I.V. I could have spent a couple of years in jail

    This is a discipline. It is necessary, without it, nothing can be created.
  • clerk
    clerk 17 January 2021 16: 29
    -1
    About 2 years for absenteeism - you turned it down. EMNP - up to 3 months in prison and only from the summer of 1940 (after the defeat of France). I. Guberman was imprisoned for speculating in icons. Which, by the way, he himself does not deny in his books.
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 19: 28
    0
    I wonder how your words about Rogozin correlate with the previously expressed high assessment of the professionalism of our managers? Although what am I talking about. Patriots are so liberals. "It's different." laughing
    1. clerk
      clerk 18 January 2021 20: 26
      -1
      Can you quote my words first?
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 19 January 2021 11: 48
      +1
      Are you so bad with your memory?
    3. clerk
      clerk 22 January 2021 23: 11
      -1
      I'm doing pretty well so far. therefore, I see that instead of quoting, you are trying to ascribe your creations.
    4. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 January 2021 14: 52
      0
      You, I look completely fucking in your shameless demagoguery.
    5. clerk
      clerk 24 January 2021 16: 12
      -1
      That is, you do not have enough brains to argue with me with facts .. Well, crawl to lament further about the lost goals of communism. Well, or at least read Marx, Lenin, Stalin.
  • Fan-fan
    Fan-fan 17 January 2021 11: 25
    +11
    Zhenya, but what about Stalin, and in some places Brezhnev, could create advanced technology in complete isolation of the country, even tried to keep up with electronics? It is impossible to believe that in the USSR for ten years they could not create a power plant for a frigate.
    So there is no need to defend these mediocre leaders and no need to say that there is no one to replace them. To me, are they the smartest?
    1. clerk
      clerk 17 January 2021 11: 35
      -6
      Is it possible in more detail about "complete isolation" under Stalin and partial under Brezhnev? That is, the whole factories did not buy production?
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 17 January 2021 11: 45
        +11
        And who prevents the current ones from purchasing factories, and not just buying dollars? Brezhnev was smart enough from Fiat to buy a plant and still VAZ, at the very least, but makes cars himself.
        1. clerk
          clerk 17 January 2021 12: 02
          -6
          Lack of guaranteed demand. He was on Fiat, on the Stalingrad tractor or dvidki for the MiG-15 too. Now what for?
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 20: 09
          +1
          Interesting. Where did he come from in a impoverished country devastated by the First World War and civil?
        3. clerk
          clerk 18 January 2021 23: 18
          0
          Who came from?
        4. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 19 January 2021 11: 47
          -1
          Crocodile. Hand face. Demand, of course.
        5. clerk
          clerk 23 January 2021 23: 13
          0
          From the state. Who needed tractors and planes. The demand for Fiat has arisen from the fat population amid a shortage of passenger cars in the country.
        6. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 24 January 2021 14: 54
          0
          Well, you understand. This is a drain. You yourself have signed the worthlessness of the system you are defending.
        7. clerk
          clerk 24 January 2021 15: 58
          -1
          Only in your maydanut and brain free from elementary knowledge. The system is essentially the same. However, you are not even able to google the owners of the largest companies and banks.
        8. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 31 January 2021 19: 15
          0
          In general, listen carefully to the fighter for correct capitalism. No proofs go yap in the forest. And for attempts to send me to googel you will be sent there yourself. I'm not going to waste my time sorting out your nonsense.
        9. clerk
          clerk 31 January 2021 20: 04
          0
          Yes, you just do not have the brains for a reasoned discussion, and all that remains is to whine about the goals of communism.
        10. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 February 2021 00: 51
          0
          Are you so stupid that you don't understand what I'm talking about? Walk the shkolota.
        11. clerk
          clerk 1 February 2021 06: 23
          0
          What is there to understand - a stupid set of hysterical incantations about communism and fascism (without understanding the essence), and the stubborn demand for proofs as an illustration of the inability of discussion on the merits? A typical set of infantile novocommunyaks, which the USSR did not find at a conscious age, but dreams of it. But to understand the brains - no.
        12. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 February 2021 12: 34
          0
          Are you what the schoolboy essentially said? You are hysterical, but you have not brought proofs. There are only some mythical 70 percent taken from the ceiling. Yes, imagine a clown you need to argue somehow, to confirm your theses. And you demanded this from others. And now when you are caught in a lie, you start to play around. In general, it is understandable. There will be no proofs. In principle, I did not expect anything else from the filthy guardians.
        13. clerk
          clerk 1 February 2021 12: 48
          0
          You have a hysterics - the infantile of Novokommunyatsk, who only cuts himself into tanks and says that whoever would make a revolution for him, exterminated all the bourgeois and guardians and restored the SV. Hence the hysterical reluctance to use help in finding data and the requirement for proofs - the freeloader can do nothing else.
        14. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 1 February 2021 16: 26
          0
          I'm sick of you a chronic liar. Go yourself to googel and look for confirmation of your nonsense. I'm not going to do this shit. I have no desire to waste my time to once again poke the guard's muzzle into his own shit. For sim of a successful trip to you through the pipes to the shit collector.
        15. clerk
          clerk 1 February 2021 16: 45
          0
          I realized long ago that you are a stupid freeloader in life, who is not able to google basic things. The only thing you can do is whine about the goals of communism (not understanding what it is about), dream of a revolution (which someone should do for you) and find fault with the guards (to the descendant that he himself is an empty space and is not capable of being either rovotional or safeguarding) )
  • clerk
    clerk 17 January 2021 11: 37
    -8
    EI for the frigate is. It seems to have been created in <5 years. The pace of production is lame - yes, this is a problem of stable financing for years to come. A matter of priorities / The surface fleet is funded on a leftover basis.
  • clerk
    clerk 17 January 2021 11: 40
    -6
    1) Was it Stalin and Brezhnev in "complete isolation" who bought factories and brought thousands of specialists? 2) The power plant for the frigate was created in 5 years, the only question is the volume of production. 3) They are not the smartest, they are at the level of everyone. But there is a concept - "a corridor of opportunities". And any critic who finds himself in this corridor will act + - like his predecessor.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 17 January 2021 11: 49
      +9
      And any critic who finds himself in this corridor will act + - similarly to his predecessor.

      Have you tried to let any critic "steer" this? Nobody tried it, but everyone is sure of the result in advance. This is from the opera: I have not read it, but I condemn it.
      1. clerk
        clerk 17 January 2021 12: 00
        -3
        I gave an example of the trade union patriot Ragozin. Another option is the systemic liberal Kiriyenko. The third is the former Kursk governor, the communist Mikhailov. Depends on a person, not on his political views.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 17 January 2021 18: 02
    +1
    Quote: clerk
    Or are you proposing to simply close the country following the example of North Korea?

    We propose to close the country from plunder.
    1. clerk
      clerk 17 January 2021 19: 04
      -5
      Compared to the 90s Much has already been done, a lot is being done, the scale of embezzlement has decreased by two orders of magnitude. It is clear that there is always a subject for criticism, but there is only empty chatter from you - not a single specific thought.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 20: 14
        +1
        Well, many things that were still alive in the 90s were finished off in the 2000s. Empty chatter is the May decrees and other plans announced by our authorities before the elections. And partly your comments.
        1. clerk
          clerk 18 January 2021 20: 27
          -1
          Empty is your lamentation. Without any specifics and texture.
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 17 January 2021 12: 23
    +2
    No need to idealize China. It's hard to find a tougher negotiator on all issues. Yes, they'll fuse you trash. But pay attention, China doesn't give us loans. Why.?
    1. Jaromir
      Jaromir 18 January 2021 01: 17
      +17
      Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
      China does not give us loans

      Not certainly in that way. In 2018, Russia borrowed more than 122 billion rubles from China
      Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/online/news/3232739/
      You can read about China's credit policy in Russia here at this link https://www.ridl.io/ru/politika-kitajskih-kreditov-v-rossii/
      1. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 21 January 2021 11: 55
        0
        In rubles, yes, they will. And then the rate is not known, but in the currency of hell
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 January 2021 17: 46
    -3
    "In our case, the demand is not satisfied at all, given the fact that there are very few goods of our own production. The pharmaceutical industry is 70-80% dependent on the West, electronics -90-95%, mechanical engineering, light industry -90% dependence .. and so on .. across all industries. " And what do you think that our tomorrow will be done and everyone will rush to buy it all in a crowd - you are very mistaken, they will buy everything that they bought before foreign production or imported or localized in Russia and the price tag for our new products will be significantly higher.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 17 January 2021 18: 44
      +5
      And what do you think that they will do our tomorrow and everyone will rush to buy it all in a crowd - you are very mistaken, they will buy everything that they bought before foreign production, either imported or localized in Russia, and the price tag for our new products will be significantly higher.

      Are you a type of entrepreneur? So should I teach you how to ensure demand. Three components are important for this (within the country).
      1.Quality
      2.Price
      3. Marketing
      In post-Soviet countries, more diplomatic efforts will be required.
      1. clerk
        clerk 17 January 2021 19: 08
        -4
        You are an enchanting theoretician.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 20: 16
          +1
          Is this a praise or a curse? laughing
          1. clerk
            clerk 19 January 2021 14: 18
            0
            You can't swear here - all that remains is to praise
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 19 January 2021 12: 40
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        Three components are important for this (within the country).

        Well, the West rushed to buy from us a vaccine against covid-19, which in all respects is better than what they produced? Not only do they not buy it, but also others are not allowed to buy it. Something in your blissful picture is wrong, not all of you have learned to take into account ...
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 17 January 2021 11: 45
    +4
    Quote: Svarog
    If there was a goal, control, responsibility, a planned economy ... then in terms of economic growth, we would be the first in the world.

    Here! It was the planned economy, which was destroyed and blamed at the end of the 80s. I do not see any other way out and the third one too. In any crisis situation, the budgetary component of the revenue and expenditure component is always adjusted. And this is already a plan. As long as the liberals rule the economy, nothing good will come of the growth in the well-being of the population. Example: there was a pension in the dollar equivalent of 300, and now it is 200. But in rubles, it has grown! Population demand will never decrease, people always want to eat, drink, dress, move, heal and rest! In general, the desire to live better is probably absent only among convinced homeless people.
    1. clerk
      clerk 17 January 2021 12: 34
      -5
      The problem is not to increase consumption. The problem is that to make money on it, not to borrow.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 17 January 2021 12: 43
      +4
      Quote: Gardener91
      Here! It was the planned economy, which was destroyed and blamed at the end of the 80s. I do not see any other way out and the third one too. In any crisis situation, the budgetary component of the income and expenditure component is always adjusted. And this is already a plan.

      I worked for 20 years in Western offices and all the world's largest corporations adhere to our Soviet planned economy. Another question is that they are more advanced in this. China has the same planned economy. You can't live well without a plan.
      In general, the desire to live better is probably absent only among convinced homeless people.

      Those who are next to the trough or at the trough .. it is important for them not to live better, and not to lose the way they live now .. hi
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 January 2021 17: 54
      -5
      Now one goal is to make money on a national scale, it should be a fast and at least risky way.
  • Machito
    Machito 17 January 2021 12: 52
    +7
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: clerk
    Therefore, you can spend it in two ways.

    To spend money, two ways are clearly not enough. You need to spend money with a purpose. And this is the main point. Do we have a goal for the government? Perhaps .. but this goal clearly does not intersect with the well-being of citizens and the greatness of the country.
    If there was a goal, control, responsibility, a planned economy ... then in terms of economic growth, we would be the first in the world.

    Planned economy in China. And the annual economic growth is 7-10% of GDP. And we are the banana republic sponsoring the Democratic Fascist Dictatorship in the United States.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 17 January 2021 12: 56
      +4
      Quote: Bearded

      Planned economy in China. And the annual economic growth is 7-10% of GDP. And we are the banana republic sponsoring the Democratic Fascist Dictatorship in the United States.

      You can’t say more precisely hi
      1. Machito
        Machito 17 January 2021 13: 36
        +4
        You promised to start writing articles. Your political position is close to me. I'm waiting for the article.
      2. clerk
        clerk 17 January 2021 19: 19
        -2
        I fully support it. Who is hto will be immediately visible ...
    2. clerk
      clerk 17 January 2021 13: 19
      -6
      The growth of the Chinese economy has been slowing down for several years in a row and in 2019 amounted to 6,1% (2020 0,7%) That is, it is a question of demand, not the nature of the economy.
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 17 January 2021 19: 10
        +1
        Quote: clerk
        The growth of the Chinese economy has been slowing down for several years in a row and in 2019 amounted to 6,1% (2020 0,7%) That is, it is a question of demand, not the nature of the economy.

        The slowdown in the growth of the Chinese economy is due to unfair competition for markets. I think it's clear who and what I mean. In China, the demand for energy is constantly growing, but if we take into account the expenditure side of the defense budget? After all, this topic is not covered anywhere. And rightly so, no one is in a position to estimate the growth of China's military potential with a XNUMX% guarantee, and even, approximately, assume the yoke of its nuclear potential. The defense is also "demand", internal.
        1. clerk
          clerk 17 January 2021 19: 11
          0
          Defense spending is also included in the GDP calculation.
          1. Gardener91
            Gardener91 17 January 2021 19: 19
            0
            Quote: clerk
            Defense spending is also included in the GDP calculation.

            With planned development? In China, no. They have a GDP template only for external consumption, taking into account foreign trade. The political economy of socialism revealed all aspects, it is a pity forgotten by all and, as it seemed to me before, a very boring science. But in vain.
            1. clerk
              clerk 17 January 2021 19: 53
              +1
              It doesn't matter whether it's a plan or a market. GDP is calculated according to methods that now include defense
  • Vitalian
    Vitalian 17 January 2021 10: 36
    +5
    Quote: clerk
    To evaluate someone's work, you need to be at least minimally aware of the topic and it looks like the issue of state finance is not your strong point. From the word at all. Ruble equivalent. The gold reserves are approximately equal to everything about the money supply in Russia. Therefore, it can be spent in two ways - 1) sell on the domestic market, reduce the foreign exchange rate, buy imports in large quantities and kill domestic production; 2) Print more rubles, keep the exchange rate, but double ruble prices Which way do you prefer?

    Well, you are right finance nowadays is a huge risk .. Any state can be bullied world tycoons .. In the days of the USSR, everything was easier when the curtain was closed.
    1. clerk
      clerk 17 January 2021 11: 21
      -3
      Gone are the days. We can be nostalgic for them and admire the achievements (he himself is), but we can no longer return to them. Therefore, the implementation of the demands to take away and divide, expel everyone and recruit new patriotic ones, return stolen trillions from the West and distribute, etc., senseless Sharikrvism will bring nothing but blood and devastation.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 17 January 2021 08: 54
    +13
    Quote: yuriy55
    meaningless unsecured papers (tickets) from the Bank of Russia.

    The national currency is the visiting card of the country. The stability of its exchange rate is the result of the responsible work of the government and the ability to meet obligations (treasury bills).

    In ancient times, some dishonest rulers also managed to devalue the national currency - they were engaged in damage to coins (lightening the weight from the face value). This is what deserved the general contempt.

    There is no need to spoil coins nowadays. To devalue the national currency, it is enough to have such a government as in the Russian Federation.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 January 2021 12: 16
    +6
    Quote: yuriy55
    .And I assume that this "common fund" is stored not at all in order to develop the Russian economy.

    this "common fund" is what "provides" "our" currency. However, suppose I have a million rubles under my pillow, but I do not have enough of it and I am trying to save more. After a year purchasing power this money fell by 10%. The question is, where did she go? did she burn? no! she moved to where the extra green papers were printed. Likewise, pollutant reserves are depreciated if they are stored in dollars. The dollar has sluggish inflation, which periodically accelerates. Thus, the world is being robbed. If stored in gold, then gold also periodically collapses, like oil. The most interesting thing is that any things fall off periodically, while they become cheaper, they are bought, and then they are raised again. The dollar is free from pegs to gold and oil. energy, etc. Our ruble is the hypostasis of the dollar, all its diseases are reflected in its rate. The ruble must be tightly linked to the production of electricity, only then will we become independent.
    1. Machito
      Machito 17 January 2021 12: 59
      +4
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Quote: yuriy55
      .And I assume that this "common fund" is stored not at all in order to develop the Russian economy.

      this "common fund" is what "provides" "our" currency. However, suppose I have a million rubles under my pillow, but I do not have enough of it and I am trying to save more. After a year purchasing power this money fell by 10%. The question is, where did she go? did she burn? no! she moved to where the extra green papers were printed. Likewise, pollutant reserves are depreciated if they are stored in dollars. The dollar has sluggish inflation, which periodically accelerates. Thus, the world is being robbed. If stored in gold, then gold also periodically collapses, like oil. The most interesting thing is that any things fall off periodically, while they become cheaper, they are bought, and then they are raised again. The dollar is free from pegs to gold and oil. energy, etc. Our ruble is the hypostasis of the dollar, all its diseases are reflected in its rate. The ruble must be tightly linked to the production of electricity, only then will we become independent.

      I thought about it too. Power plants. Provide every ruble with energy. Yes, we are a gas station. The largest in the world. On the most ancient continent, where the most minerals are located closest to the surface. It's very cold here. Now in Moscow -18 ° C. Our main resource is people, brave, strong, savvy and frost-resistant. When will our fucking Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank start investing in our main asset - people?
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 January 2021 17: 59
        -5
        "Yes, we are a gas station. The largest in the world" - No, not us, but the United States, there is more oil there than we produce, both gas and electricity.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 17 January 2021 19: 44
        +2
        Quote: Bearded
        When will our fucking Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank start investing in our main asset - people?

        And in which law or charter from the organizations you listed says that people are the main asset, or who is obliged to take care of them? The main priority of the state is freedom of entrepreneurship. And the protection of private property. The more private property, the more protection, thus, the state apparatus is used against that part of its citizens who do not have much property. In addition, military, energy and natural resources are given to private hands, medicine is financed in the form of insurance companies. The whole circle is closed. Where is a man needed here? only to pay taxes. As a raw material.
        The principle of social justice exists in the preamble of our Constitution, as an anachronism of Soviet times, but it is not defined, that is, it has no legal definition, and, accordingly, no legal consequences. I guess you need to fight for this
    2. depressant
      depressant 17 January 2021 13: 02
      +8
      Great, colleague aybolyt678! That's right: tie the ruble to electricity generation.
      And how cleverly and Jesuitically subtle the idea is being introduced into our consciousness that if the kraduns, corrupt officials and mediocrities are removed from power, then only those who will "take away and divide" will come. As if there are no other options. Either you suckers let us steal, or those who are different from us will take everything away from you, and in no other way.
      Well, that's so, a passing consideration. As for electricity, thanks to Mr. Chubais's overactive activities, a significant part of our energy lies under foreigners. In particular, under the London branch of the Italian Enel, cunningly labeled "Enel Russia". But in general, under many. Can you imagine? Aliens from NATO countries control the supply of electricity to our military units! And there were examples of disconnections for non-payment. Just a complete paragraph! I think it’s time to fix this matter decisively.
      1. clerk
        clerk 17 January 2021 15: 26
        -6
        All energy companies in Russia are registered in Russia and operate under Russian law.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 17 January 2021 16: 44
          +5
          Quote: clerk
          All energy companies in Russia are registered in Russia and operate under Russian law.

          Why did the nationwide achievements in the energy sector go to crooks? it is outraged.
          Likewise, under Russian law, the subsoil belongs to the people and their contents to the owners of the shares.
          1. clerk
            clerk 17 January 2021 17: 06
            -8
            Google the owners of the largest TGCs and you will be surprised. The common cliche about crooks will greatly tarnish. As for the subsoil, not Copenhagen, but the EMNP is not so simple there either.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 17 January 2021 19: 15
              +5
              Quote: clerk
              Google the owners of the largest TGCs and you will be surprised. The common cliche about crooks will greatly tarnish.

              many people from the common people?
              1. clerk
                clerk 17 January 2021 19: 16
                -7
                There are no crooks.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 17 January 2021 19: 18
                  +5
                  have friends and closeness or friendship with a member of the initiate caste?
                  1. clerk
                    clerk 17 January 2021 20: 28
                    -5
                    Everything is easier - open Wiki and google TGK-1,2,3, etc. The main owners and their shares are indicated.
                  2. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 17 January 2021 20: 51
                    +1
                    but it cannot be even simpler: just formulate what you want to say? i will believe
                  3. clerk
                    clerk 17 January 2021 21: 28
                    0
                    Russian energy facilities belong to the Russian Federation
                  4. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 17 January 2021 21: 45
                    +2
                    Quote: clerk
                    Russian energy facilities belong to the Russian Federation

                    Unfortunately, this cannot be said about the oil and gas sector.
                  5. clerk
                    clerk 17 January 2021 23: 12
                    -2
                    Why? Explain your thought
                  6. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 18 January 2021 05: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: clerk
                    Russian energy facilities belong to the Russian Federation

                    Unfortunately, this cannot be said about the oil and gas sector.

                    I didn't understand much, but as an entrepreneur and user of gas, I pay several payments, except for gas itself - for service, for delivery !! ??? for delivery - 3 payments to different companies. As they explained to me, some sections of the pipe are owned by different owners and you have to pay for running gas through them. One of my premises mistakenly paid for gas as residential. As soon as it was registered as non-residential, payments probably increased 3 times.
                    As for electricity, if the company is a joint-stock company, is it belonging to the state of the Russian Federation or shareholders?
                  7. clerk
                    clerk 18 January 2021 07: 56
                    0
                    If the controlling stake belongs to the state, then the state. But not official.
                  8. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 18 January 2021 08: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: clerk
                    If the controlling stake belongs to the state, then the state. But not official.

                    smile Have you heard Slepakov, about the shareholders of Gazprom ?? so it hurts me excruciatingly, like Pavel Korchagin, for the years spent aimlessly!
                  9. clerk
                    clerk 18 January 2021 10: 42
                    -1
                    No, I didn't listen
                  10. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 18 January 2021 14: 33
                    0
                    Quote: clerk
                    No, I didn't listen

                    you are not in the subject! Semyon Slepakov on the topic of Gazprom laughing
      2. frog
        frog 18 January 2021 10: 14
        0
        It seems like it was about crooks, and not about "imported crooks" ?? Well, or I misunderstood, tady sorry ...
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 18 January 2021 14: 33
        0
        Quote: frog
        Well, or I misunderstood, tady sorry ...

        dummies have not been canceled
      4. frog
        frog 18 January 2021 15: 48
        0
        And where are the fake ones? Since the superiors are happy with everything, what is the speech about ??
      5. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 18 January 2021 17: 07
        0
        Quote: frog
        Since the superiors are happy with everything, what is the speech about ??

        that's it! superior
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 January 2021 19: 48
    +3
    Quote: depressant
    And then how cunningly and Jesuitically subtle the idea is being introduced into our consciousness that if kraduns, corrupt officials and mediocrities are removed from power,

    if they are not just removed, but publicly shot laughing .... but it looks more like fantasy. In fact, even if we introduce a certain number of people who really understand what needs to be done there, it will bring nothing but a crisis of misunderstanding (cognitive dissonance of power).
    Need a paradigm shift
    1. frog
      frog 18 January 2021 10: 18
      +1
      Need a paradigm shift

      Oh how ?? !!
      if they are not just removed, but publicly shot .... but it looks more like fantasy.

      Now a little question ..... Where do you find several thousand leaders, slightly literate, slightly honest, slightly professional, slightly, slightly, slightly ??? From which freezer can they be removed and adapted to the business, after defrosting? Or do you have software that helps you calculate similar ones? Or a magic wand?
      As for the fact that many of the current ones can / should be toyvo ...... to encourage, so to speak ....... - no doubt, it is necessary. However, the question arises - who to replace? Just an awl for soap - meaning?
      1. clerk
        clerk 18 January 2021 10: 45
        -1
        Several thousand? Would you like several tens of thousands? Yes, and a couple or three hundred thousand of the same privates, on which you can rely? And not only in the center, but also in the regions.
        1. frog
          frog 18 January 2021 10: 48
          0
          So I really do, on trifles)))) Why should a colleague take down a flight?))) The scale of the task only at the level of "think for 5 minutes" drives me into a daze, what can we say more in detail wink On the other hand, the real estate, alas, is predictable ...
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 18 January 2021 14: 30
        0
        Quote: frog
        However, the question arises - who to replace? Just an awl for soap - meaning?

        there are no irreplaceable people! Plus, public punishment has a huge educational effect. smile
        Quote: frog
        Or do you have software that helps you calculate similar ones?

        There is a way. read here on VO an article about Kharkov under G. Kernes. It is obvious. There is another, brain sorting by Sergei Savelyev, look at YouTube. Interesting. It turns out that there are groups of neurons in the brain that show a person's tendencies. Anyone responsible for the MRI machine and everything is visible.
        There are brainy people. But who needs smart and honest people in power? Much depends on the attitude: now it is shameful not to steal, but it is necessary to change the public attitude towards luxury. Political will and media!
        1. frog
          frog 18 January 2021 14: 39
          +1
          there are no irreplaceable people! Plus, public punishment has a huge educational effect.

          What a bad luck ... Irreplaceable, oddly enough, are. Only this becomes clear when they are no longer there.
          As for the publicity of punishments and other things, it's much cooler in the Middle Kingdom. But still, scoundrels, they steal ...
          There is a way.

          Well, I suspect that there are still some techniques, not without it. We only need workers, not experimental ones .... Enough of these .... And secondly, these techniques give out inclinations, but we need real. And yet they don't say anything about professionalism)))
          And most importantly, there is no such will, neither political, nor any other. And it won't. Stomachiness is always easier and more effective. And it's available somehow .......
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 18 January 2021 14: 42
            0
            Quote: frog
            Stomach-head is always easier and more effective. And it's available somehow .......

            this is on a personal level, when there is no control of responsibility. And nowadays it's easy to control! there are cameras, computers, sensors. If you want to be an official, agree to control yourself! Political will, goal and state apparatus.
            1. frog
              frog 18 January 2021 14: 48
              0
              Colleague, all these things are pricked, if not once, then twice. Hammer. The software is created by living people, with built-in holes ... You, in fact, would remember the airplane rug ...
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 18 January 2021 14: 52
                0
                Quote: frog
                Colleague, all these things are pricked, if not once, then twice.

                We need a sane goal in which ordinary people and the rich have a common acceptable future. Then there will be evolution.
              2. frog
                frog 18 January 2021 15: 51
                0
                The goal, you say ..... And what? Now it's simple and straightforward. What do you want to offer? Just do not forget that in the name of any other you will have to cut costs to citizens. And they do not like it ... Yes, and with incomes it will not be so easy, so very quickly you will come to a pinochet-like ... And there are no guarantees that the drin will be used to move towards the goal)))
              3. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 18 January 2021 17: 06
                0
                Quote: frog
                The goal, you say ..... And what? Now it's simple and straightforward.

                more about this please smile For example, I think that it is necessary to legislatively define the concept of social justice and patriotism and give this legally effective force.
              4. frog
                frog 18 January 2021 17: 13
                0
                And what is "social justice"? They talk a lot about this animal ...
                And as for the aforementioned patriotism - so vaaasche .... there are so many patriots that it takes horror. True, as others write, guns can not even be cleaned with bricks, they still will not shoot. IChSH, I agree with them ...
              5. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 18 January 2021 17: 59
                0
                Quote: frog
                And what is "social justice"? They talk a lot about this animal ...

                this is what needs to be said a lot. To clean the concept, so to speak. We are still people, not animals. Otherwise, the archaeologists of the future in a couple of million years will be puzzling over intelligent life or not? wink
                where is the promised simple goal ????
              6. frog
                frog 18 January 2021 19: 45
                0
                this is what needs to be said a lot.

                So they say so much about it that they are already laying their ears))) And? What it is? Equalization, as it was in the union? Although not only she, of course, but with her everything was ... ... not bad. Or from each according to his ability? Or?
                And why should intelligent life necessarily correlate with this garbage?
              7. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 18 January 2021 20: 45
                0
                Quote: frog
                So they say so much about it that they are already laying their ears)))

                and maybe the case with the lack of convolutions? or the working memory of the brain? and maybe with education? I beg your pardon of course winked

                Quote: frog
                And why should intelligent life necessarily correlate with this garbage?

                this question is very good, thanks good the fact is that all living beings on the planet that have at least a rudimentary consciousness have behavioral instincts: sexual, food, protective and domination. A person is exactly the same, the whole algorithm of actions is subordinated to this scheme. 99% of people do not surpass animals in their biological value. Their behavior does not go beyond instinct. And only 1% of people are capable of creativity. Of this 1%, only every ten or one hundred thousandth has the opportunity to realize their potential. These people are the progressors of humanity.
                Under capitalism, man is a wolf to man - homo homini lupus est, they said in ancient Rome. Capitalism cultivates 100% animal instincts. And capitalism needs progress mainly for the war.
                But if you create a society in which there is an opportunity for an equal start, the possibility of any education, and affordable medical care, guaranteed by a minimum social housing, the percentage of progressives will certainly be higher. Naturally, progress in such a society will go faster, there will be a real opportunity to explore Space, fight cancer, or prolong life!
              8. frog
                frog 18 January 2021 22: 10
                +1
                Colleague, you contradict yourself. Either a person is an animal and that percentage does not change. Of course, plus / minus bast shoes. Either he is non-animal ..... And you can think about the troubles you proposed.
                In general, the topic is long and ... let's say, boring. Alas. Because if this abundance falls by itself, you will get a parasite. And if it doesn't fall, where will it come from?
                As for progress, Friedrich der Grosse spoke for this, and most likely before him, too.
                "We'll shoot a cannon to the moon, we'll send a spaceship to Mars. It's not enough for us the old Earth, we will shit in space."
                We can fight cancer even now. But advertising lipstick is spending as much money as fighting cancer. If not more.
                Extend life? Who? Chosen ones? Where is social justice? Anyone in a row? What about foie? As soon as the inhabitants, sorry, of the third world, received any kind of medicine, they immediately multiplied)) And either wiped out nature at the root, or dumped where it is better. And you also want eternal life ...
              9. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 18 January 2021 22: 25
                +1
                Quote: frog
                And you also want eternal life ...

                long life is needed to explore distant galaxies smile
                Quote: frog
                But advertising lipstick is spending as much money as fighting cancer. If not more.
                here you are right people are animals
                Quote: frog
                ... Alas. Because if this abundance falls by itself, you will get a parasite. And if it does not fall, where will it come from?

                the question is what is abundance? proteins fats carbohydrates? game reality simulator? expensive cognac and a sea of ​​beer to "change" this very reality? or an opportunity to learn from the best scientists and experts? communicate at the limit of their intellectual abilities with people who do not have these limits? The world of consumers is doomed, the World of Creators is not created - this is the problem.
  • clerk
    clerk 18 January 2021 16: 03
    0
    This is all nonsense - spillikins. In bureaucratic work, as in any other, the quality of work, initiative, diligence and productivity are important. Honesty will be checked by banal security, coupled with higher authorities. With the support of society in high-profile issues.
    1. frog
      frog 18 January 2021 17: 14
      0
      In bureaucratic work, it is important to competently throw off responsibility, to guess the opinion of the authorities, to compose the "correct" report and to prevent the authorities from doubting their loyalty. The qualities you mentioned live in another reserve .....
    2. clerk
      clerk 18 January 2021 20: 34
      0
      What you have named are important but not defining qualities. If the high authorities are not satisfied with the quality of the work as a whole, then the entire unit will be demolished and no translation of the arrows will help. It's easy now.
    3. frog
      frog 18 January 2021 22: 01
      0
      If these qualities are present, then the high bosses do not give a shit about everything else. and if they do, it is not at all because of this. But you don't need to explain this))
    4. clerk
      clerk 18 January 2021 22: 15
      0
      Your logic was suitable for the late USSR, when it was almost impossible to fire a person. Now everything is much simpler - you need to remove a person - they can reduce the whole division or leave "by agreement of the parties." An exception is nepotism.
    5. frog
      frog 18 January 2021 22: 16
      0
      The problem is that nothing has changed. And now anything is possible. And then.
    6. clerk
      clerk 19 January 2021 10: 45
      0
      Well, then there was less legal arbitrariness.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 17 January 2021 20: 03
    +3
    Quote: yuriy55
    The size of the moneybox (International reserves of the Russian Federation) is equal to $ 597 billion or 400 rubles ... There is also the NWF equal to $ 000 or 000 ... And I assume that this "common fund" is kept not at all in order to develop the Russian economy. Actually. it is there, but no one is allowed to take it, touch it, or look at it.

    Do we have confidence that all these funds have not yet been plundered?
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  • WIKI
    WIKI 17 January 2021 14: 28
    +1
    Quote: Dalny V
    But these very seven percent have been achieved, Zagibzadovna appears on the high podium, and announces that 7% is not enough, at least 10 is needed.

    Of these 7%, the liquid part (about 79%) is placed in returnable sources - dollars, euros and pounds sterling. "At the same time, the illiquid part is 21%. It continues to be taken into account in the total volume of the Fund, however, as established by the Accounts Chamber, this is" dead money ”, which are essentially not available.
    What were the irrecoverable RUB 4,387 trillion spent on? First, for a loan of $ 3 billion to ex-President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych. Secondly, in some infrastructure projects of Russian Railways, which with a high degree of probability will never pay off. Thirdly, in loans to VEB and shares in credit institutions. These funds should be written off, but they hang on the balance sheet of the Fund in the form of reserves.
    The Accounts Chamber stated that 4,387 trillion rubles. the government has invested in assets that do not meet the main condition for investing funds of the NWF - liquidity. Translating from the bureaucratic language into Russian, this money is lost for the state. "Therefore, they probably want the liquid part to reach 7%.
    1. clerk
      clerk 17 January 2021 15: 22
      -8
      "Structural projects of Russian Railways" and "loans to VEB" - this is precisely the very "investment in production" about which Putin's left-wing critics shout at every corner. What are they unhappy with again?
      1. frog
        frog 18 January 2021 10: 20
        +1
        Oh how ??? That is, the "structural projects" of Russian Railways are investments in production ?? Heh, I'll have to tell my friends, they don't know, poor fellows ... For some reason, they have a slightly different opinion about this office, from the inside, so to speak ...
        1. clerk
          clerk 18 January 2021 10: 49
          -1
          Who would have thought? And probably it also started well - to the bravura cries of "give free money and in a couple of years there will be a garden city." Moreover, this is a state organization, and not an unknown "manufacturer".
          1. frog
            frog 18 January 2021 10: 52
            +1
            Colleague, I know too well what is going on in some ..... organizations .... Russian Railways, in particular. I strongly suspect that the rest is the same, only I have no specifics on them))) Therefore, I have not had any illusions for a long time wink Decisively in all industries ... Alas, miracles do not happen, even if in fairy tales and articles about the populace))))
  • frog
    frog 18 January 2021 09: 42
    0
    On the Soviet denyuzhkas, I remember, they wrote that he was provided with all the property and so on.

    Sorry, sir, but that's not entirely true. This inscription was for 1,3 and 5 rubles. But above - it is provided with gold, jewelry and other assets of the State Bank. EMNIP. According to rumors, this is precisely why they were not allowed to export the chervontsy, quarters and half. According to rumors)))))
  • apro
    apro 17 January 2021 05: 21
    +9
    Understanding the actions of the Russian government is not an easy task .... it's like catching a swindler by the hand.
    1. krops777
      krops777 17 January 2021 05: 47
      +23
      Understanding the actions of the Russian government is not an easy task


      Russian ??? I would not rush to conclusions, rather Russian, but certainly not Russian.
      1. apro
        apro 17 January 2021 05: 58
        -1
        Quote: krops777
        but certainly not Russian.

        Not ... not ... the real Russian government is not a Bolshevik government consisting of Jews and atheists, but real Russian patriots. As you look at their spiritualized faces in a church with candles ... you believe right away. And their ideology is Russian ... maybe will carry. not that the communists have a bright future for everyone. they care about the bright present.
        1. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller 17 January 2021 07: 52
          +12
          These "patriots" care exclusively about their personal, bright present or future ...
          1. apro
            apro 17 January 2021 07: 53
            -15%
            Quote: Greg Miller
            These "patriots" care exclusively about their personal, bright present or future ...

            Like all Russians.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 17 January 2021 09: 32
              +5
              Quote: apro
              Like all Russians.

              Let's not ascribe such properties to this or that nation. Every nation has its own villains. As well as good people.
              1. apro
                apro 17 January 2021 09: 39
                -5
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Let's not ascribe such properties to this or that nation.

                And why are they bad? Personal success is it really bad? The ability to generate income? Why is it bad? To fulfill their obligations to the client? To be able to conduct market relations? Isn’t this what the Russians have been striving for over the past 30 years.
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 17 January 2021 09: 47
                  +6
                  Quote: apro
                  is personal success really bad?

                  Personal, should not be higher than public.
                  Quote: apro
                  the ability to earn income? why is it bad?

                  Nobody says this is bad. It’s bad when this enrichment occurs like Chubais’s privatization, bribes, monopolization, etc.
                  Quote: apro
                  Isn't that what the Russians have been striving for for the past 30 years.

                  This is not what the majority of Russian citizens, and Russians among them, aspired to.
                  1. apro
                    apro 17 January 2021 09: 51
                    -8
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Personal, should not be higher than public.

                    Do not breed red.
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Nobody says this is bad. It’s bad when this enrichment occurs like Chubais’s privatization, bribes, monopolization, etc.

                    This is healthy market relations. Capitalism in the yard. What is wrong ??? why did the Russians in 1991 shed blood? For this very thing.
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    This is not what the majority of Russian citizens, and Russians among them, aspired to.

                    How not to this ... for the market. For the privatization. For the well. what happened to the memory?
                    1. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets 17 January 2021 10: 29
                      +3
                      Quote: apro
                      apro (Oleg Frolov) Today, 09:51
                      0

                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Personal, should not be higher than public.

                      Do not breed red.

                      What's wrong? The interests of the class are above the interests of the individual student. The interests of the city are higher than the interests of a single taxi driver. The interests of the entire crew of the submarine are higher than the interests of a part of the crew battered down in an accident in the compartment. The interests of the country and the majority of the people should be above the interests of a handful of snickering oligarchs and officials. Where am I wrong?
                      Quote: apro
                      This is healthy market relations. Capitalism in the yard. What is wrong ??? why did the Russians in 1991 shed blood? For this very thing.

                      This is not a healthy relationship, and you know that, and when did the Russians shed their blood for this? Do not compare just 91 years with the Ukrainian Maidan, completely different situations.
                      Quote: apro
                      How not to this ... for the market. For the privatization. For the well. what happened to the memory?

                      Nothing has become of my memory. I remember evrything. This is not what they were striving for. This is a separate, large topic, it does not belong here.
                      1. apro
                        apro 17 January 2021 10: 40
                        -6
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        The interests of the country and the majority of the people should be above the interests of a handful of snickering oligarchs and officials. Where am I wrong?

                        And you are wrong that the majority of the people supported capitalism, personal good above the public, and society as a source of profit for the pocket, and your objections about correct capitalism, so to speak, are untenable, as time has shown
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        This is not a healthy relationship, and you know that, and when did the Russians shed their blood for this? Do not compare just 91 years with the Ukrainian Maidan, completely different situations.

                        Identical situations. Do not flatter yourself from the Russian Ukrainian far not run away.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Nothing has become of my memory. I remember evrything. This is not what they were striving for.

                        To this to this. Under capitalism, there is no other way. And do not hide behind wretchedness. No one will regret it.
                      2. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 17 January 2021 11: 02
                        +5
                        Quote: apro
                        And you are wrong that the majority of the people supported capitalism ...

                        Most of the people, lit "like suckers", today the majority of the people have understood this, or at least begin to understand.

                        Quote: apro
                        Identical situations. Do not flatter yourself from the Russian Ukrainian far not run away.

                        Yes, there is generally no fundamental difference between Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. And the situations with the 91st are very different, don't you see that?
                        Quote: apro
                        Nothing has become of my memory. I remember evrything. This is not what they were striving for.

                        To this to this. Under capitalism, there is no other way. And do not hide behind wretchedness. No one will regret it.

                        Have you forgotten that time? Can you remember with what slogans Gorbachev went? With what slogans did Yeltsin come to power? Why were these slogans? None of them talked about capitalism. They talked about "socialism with a human face", about the "abolition of party privileges" and other "nonsense". Don't you remember? And I did not ask to feel sorry for me.
                      3. apro
                        apro 17 January 2021 11: 14
                        -4
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Most of the people, lit "like suckers", today the majority of the people have understood this, or at least begin to understand.

                        I don’t think so. Socialism is not for Russians .... too big demands are made. Capitalism is easier.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        And the situations with the 91st are very different, don't you see that?

                        I don’t see. The drilling of unfulfilled hopes and the belief in freebies ... well, an agreement.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Have you forgotten that time?

                        I have not forgotten ... everyone wanted to change. To throw off the power of the commies .. and heal like a lord.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        None of them talked about capitalism.

                        They said ... but everyone hears what he wants, and everyone has different understanding of capitalism. The market economy is capitalism ...
                      4. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets 17 January 2021 11: 28
                        0
                        Quote: apro
                        I don’t think so. Socialism is not for Russians .... too big demands are made. Capitalism is easier.

                        For whom? Of course, capitalism is easier. Is it easier to work a lot on yourself, or just bend your knees and immerse yourself in a well-known warm substance?
                        Quote: apro
                        They said ... but everyone hears what he wants, and everyone has different understanding of capitalism. The market economy is capitalism ...

                        Strictly speaking, the process was long there. Ever since Khrushchev's times, since the Kosygin-Lieberman reform, and indeed, as you have noticed, the generation of the 70s and 60s began to differ greatly from those generations that won the Second World War. It didn't happen by itself, did it? The fish rots from the head.
                      5. apro
                        apro 17 January 2021 11: 46
                        -2
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        The fish rots from the head

                        Dead fish.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        And for whom?

                        For the Soviet people, a new type of information, but for the Russians and other nations, this is not interesting and beyond their powers.
                      6. aybolyt678
                        aybolyt678 17 January 2021 15: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: apro
                        For the Soviet people, a new type of information, but for the Russians and other nations, this is not interesting and beyond their powers.

                        A new type of formation? in the late USSR, the authorities did not set the goal of changing and improving the formation. She did not even bother to explain what Communism and Socialism are. The khireei gerontocrats themselves lost their ideology, and the USSR was built on ideology. The dogmatic approach has lost out to Hollywood.
                      7. apro
                        apro 17 January 2021 15: 52
                        -2
                        Quote: aybolyt678
                        in the late USSR, the authorities did not set the goal of changing and improving the formation.

                        I completely agree here and there is nothing to add.
            2. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 17 January 2021 11: 38
              +10
              there is no other way under capitalism.
              Don't lie, it happens. Here is the average life expectancy
              Hong Kong - 85.2
              Japan - 85
              Macau - 84.6
              Switzerland - 84.2
              Singapore - 84.07
              Italy - 84
              Spain - 83.99
              Australia - 83.94
              Channel Islands - 83.6
              Iceland - 83.52

              More than 40 leading countries in the ranking have an average life expectancy of over 80 years.
              And Russia with 73 years in 118 place after Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan and El Salvador.
            3. apro
              apro 17 January 2021 11: 49
              -3
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Do not lie, it happens.

              And how many Russians have to die for the triumph of capitalism ???
            4. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 17 January 2021 11: 54
              +6
              Well, in Switzerland and Norway, too, capitalism, but they live the best, why? And I myself will answer: they do not have our rulers.
            5. apro
              apro 17 January 2021 12: 22
              -4
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              And I myself will answer: they do not have our rulers.

              As I understand it, the Russian rulers. The pillars of the Russian world? Then your idea is clear.
            6. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 17 January 2021 12: 27
              +6
              Oleg, you mention the Russians in every post. What kind of nationalism is this? Yes, let the person be even a Tatar, even a Mordvin, even a Chukchi, if only he was decent.
              In my opinion, you have nothing to say, so you are trolling about the Russians.
            7. apro
              apro 17 January 2021 12: 29
              -2
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Oleg, you mention the Russians in every post.

              But this is a Russian site and we are talking about Russian problems.
            8. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 17 January 2021 12: 32
              +6
              Not only Russians live in our country, and problems in Russia are not only for Russians. You will not be able to oppose the Russians to other nations. To me, a Russian, for example, a simple hard worker Tatar is a hundred times closer and dearer than a Russian official-thief.
            9. apro
              apro 17 January 2021 12: 41
              -7
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              You will not be able to oppose the Russians to other nations.

              And I do not set this as a goal. It is the Russians themselves who successfully implement it. In Ukraine. In Belarus ... with screams that they feed everyone. They are fighting for everyone. They suffer for everyone out of the kindness of their soul.
              It's easier for me as a Soviet. For me, everyone is equal.
              Russians should look first of all at themselves, as they are the leading force on the territory of the Russian Federation, at their actions or inaction, at the ideas prevailing in their mass.
            10. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan 17 January 2021 12: 44
              +7
              What this Russian government is up to does not mean that the Russian people agree with this. Although I know that you will now begin to sing again about the nationwide confidence in the chief executive.
            11. apro
              apro 17 January 2021 12: 46
              -5
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Although I know that you will now begin to sing again about the nationwide confidence in the chief executive.

              But this is a fact. There are no other ideas among the masses of Russians ... only there would be no bad.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 January 2021 18: 04
    -1
    They did not have a Russian history of the Russian mentality and everything else that Russia had from the very beginning of the formation of the state - the government here is in the last place from a long list of those who answer why they live better than us.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 19 January 2021 12: 59
    0
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    And I myself will answer: they do not have our rulers.

    So they do not have and close such expenses as, for example, for the creation of their own strategic weapons, there are no major aerospace and nuclear companies, they do not spend trillions of rubles on the Crimean economy after the annexation, they do not have expenses for Donbass or for peacekeepers in the Transcaucasus. Why don't you oppose all this and, in a fit of anger, don't go to tiny Norway, where the entire population is just a part of Moscow, for example? Many of our citizens have already found themselves there, they taste their benefits, and only sometimes they cry that their children are being taken away, or the Muslims who have come in large numbers do not allow them to live. In capitalist Russia you got the right to choose - you live where you like. But capitalism in Russia cannot give prosperity to everyone - this is still grandfather Lenin explained to various fools a hundred years ago.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 January 2021 15: 44
    +1
    Quote: apro
    and your objections about correct capitalism, so to speak, are untenable, as time has shown

    "Correct capitalism" was imposed on us by traitors and foreign agents. The Soviet period was actually one of the best periods of the social development of Russian society. There was no world experience, so we lost. But losing the battle does not mean losing the war. Something that remains: - free education, medicine, in some places social rent housing ... And you cannot completely abandon this, because this is our national self-identification. Capitalism's course to increase consumption is like a pleasure-inducing electrode in the brain of a mouse. But the principle of the public is more important than the personal, it is a way of survival in conditions of limited opportunities and resources, as well as accelerated development
  • apro
    apro 17 January 2021 15: 50
    -2
    Quote: aybolyt678
    The Soviet period was actually one of the best periods of social development of Russian society.

    Who can argue Aibolit ... as one old grandfather said, a very long time ago, the Soviet regime is good ... but the fools got it.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    But losing the battle does not mean losing the war.

    Yes ... if there is someone to fight.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 January 2021 16: 49
    +1
    Quote: apro
    Yes ... if there is someone to fight.

    the social instinct of man originated from the herd instinct of animals, which is activated during periods threatening the death of the herd, species, flock ... Just to be in time
  • apro
    apro 17 January 2021 17: 09
    -4
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Quote: apro
    Yes ... if there is someone to fight.

    the social instinct of man originated from the herd instinct of animals, which is activated during periods threatening the death of the herd, species, flock ... Just to be in time

    Aybolit. Do we have a psychologist?
    Not a fact. The enemy himself is from this environment. And knows how to control the crowd. Until he feels a threat to himself. His life. Does not stop manipulating.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 January 2021 19: 32
    0
    Quote: apro
    Not a fact. The enemy himself is from this environment. And knows how to control the crowd. Until he feels a threat to himself. His life. Does not stop manipulating.

    Fortunately, in the dedicated caste, the “elite,” there are also contradictions, there is a struggle, and the public consciousness (the consciousness of the average person) building a demand for social change awaits a very specific action, social orientation. People are fed up with nicely speaking Putin, the scandalous Zhirinovsky, the aged Zyu .... the average person is waiting for concrete action. For me, for example, it was a pleasant surprise 15% tax on wealth. ban on foreign bank accounts. If for 20 years they would build society at such a pace, they would be ahead of the whole planet. I believe these changes were the result of the growing tension in society. For me, a progressive scale for super profits is already socialism.
  • apro
    apro 17 January 2021 19: 47
    +1
    Quote: aybolyt678
    For me, a progressive scale for super profits is already socialism.

    How little a man needs to be happy.
    There is no socialism in a capsystem.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    the average person expects concrete action.

    What actions? That a good uncle will come and give something? Out of the kindness of the soul. Without struggle. Without organization. Without a specific goal .... this does not happen. Everyone decides his own requests. Could be organized. That is a team.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 January 2021 19: 57
    +1
    Quote: apro
    There is no socialism in a capsystem.

    If you are talking about public ownership of the means of production, then this is a passed stage, which showed an unsolvable problem in the absence of an employee's interest in the results of labor. The task of public ownership of the means of production is the possibility of a fair distribution of the products of labor. The progressive tax also fulfills this task in some way. smile
    Quote: apro
    How little a man needs to be happy.

    Happiness is a sense of perspective. Socialism is not something single, but consisting of elements. Elements of socialism are free education, medicine, social housing, and so on. Free housing was in Syria, we still have medicine, education, at least secondary education, is in many countries ... The USSR showed the effectiveness of this in its time. The evolutionary path, if you correctly imagine the advantages of socialism, is more correct and profitable. The main thing is that the "elite" is the elite.
  • apro
    apro 17 January 2021 20: 09
    -2
    Quote: aybolyt678
    If you are talking about public ownership of the means of production, then this is a passed stage, which showed an unsolvable problem in the absence of an employee's interest in the results of labor.

    If the problems were not solved, then they were insoluble, and if they did, then the rates of economic growth in the USSR exceeded all known examples, both before and after.
    Quote: aybolyt678
    The progressive tax also fulfills this task in some way.

    I readily believe ... you don't know how to cheat with taxes. It's sad.
    Aybolit. What does it mean free? Everything cost money. Even in the USSR. Just the lion's share of the national income went to public consumption, and not to yachts, palaces and other gadgets of the very rich.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 January 2021 20: 49
    0
    Quote: apro
    If the problems were not solved, then they were insoluble, and if they did, then the rates of economic growth in the USSR exceeded all known examples, both before and after.

    At the same time, wealth accumulated, those who distributed it formed a class of the hidden bourgeoisie, which morally oppressed those who did not have access, cut off that very interest) and subsequently resulted in everyone's desired Perestroika (bourgeois revolution laughing ). That is why we need a progressive tax. I admit the presence of state-owned, industry-forming industries. But there must be private property.
  • apro
    apro 17 January 2021 21: 06
    -3
    Quote: aybolyt678
    But there must be private property.

    Then forget about socialism.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 17 January 2021 21: 46
    0
    Quote: apro
    Then forget about socialism.

    then give a clear modern definition of the concept
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 18 January 2021 20: 23
    +1
    Quote: aybolyt678
    For me, a progressive scale for super profits is already socialism.

    This is a filing of the plebs, ripped off by capital, from the pocket of the plebs themselves. And think that this is socialism
    extreme naivety.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 18 January 2021 01: 31
    +16
    Quote: aybolyt678
    Something that remains: - free education, medicine, in some places social rent housing ... And you cannot completely abandon this, because this is our national self-identification.

    Alas, but the free is becoming less and less. All the achievements of Soviet power are completely destroyed. And soon it won't be. If in the 90s the Chubaycho-Gaidar team tried to conduct "shock therapy", which completely failed, now we are introducing, for the last 20 years, and moreover successfully, the destruction of the Soviet legacy through the use of "soft power".
  • ccsr
    ccsr 19 January 2021 12: 50
    +1
    Quote: apro
    This is healthy market relations. Capitalism in the yard. What is wrong ??? why did the Russians in 1991 shed blood? For this very thing.

    They "forgot" about it, so they are looking for who is to blame for their current troubles. It turns out that Siluanov is to blame for everything, because they no longer remember who Misha-2% is, who is the deputy chairman of Nemtsov, who is Khakamada or Illarionov. In general, it is difficult to discuss the topic with people who have amnesia for our past, which is why the dispute will be endless and lead nowhere.
    1. apro
      apro 19 January 2021 13: 11
      -1
      Quote: ccsr
      that's why the dispute will be endless and will lead to nothing

      THAT'S FOR SURE...
  • Machito
    Machito 17 January 2021 13: 06
    +8
    Quote: apro
    Quote: Greg Miller
    These "patriots" care exclusively about their personal, bright present or future ...

    Like all Russians.

    Do you drown so much on the Russian site against the Russians? Have you thought of burning us in ovens like in Majdanek yet? And change ava: take off our flags and hang yours with a swastika.
    1. apro
      apro 17 January 2021 13: 16
      -7
      Quote: Bearded
      And change ava: take off our flags and hang yours with a swastika.

      Soviet on Ave suits me.
      Quote: Bearded
      Do you drown so much on the Russian site against the Russians?

      I can't see it at close range.
      Quote: Bearded
      Have you thought of burning us in ovens like in Majdanek yet?

      Well, with this, the Russians, you yourself, do as well as the Nazis.
      1. Machito
        Machito 17 January 2021 13: 39
        +6
        You are on the ave with our flag, but you separate us Russians from yourself. Raise your flag
        1. apro
          apro 17 January 2021 13: 41
          -6
          Quote: Bearded
          You are with our flag on the ave

          There is a Soviet flag, but it's not Russian.
          1. Jaromir
            Jaromir 18 January 2021 01: 39
            +17
            Quote: apro
            There is a Soviet flag, but it's not Russian.

            Stalin. May 2, 1933. At a meeting with participants in the May Day military parade.
            "Russian is the main nationality in the world. They were the first to raise the flag of the Soviets... The Russian nation is the most talented nation in the world ... "

            Do not dishonor the flag of my Motherland, the USSR, with Nazi statements.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 13: 03
    +10
    Quote: apro
    not ... a real Russian government. this is not a Bolshevik government consisting of Jews and atheists. but real Russian patriots. as you look at their spiritualized faces in a church with candles ... you believe right away. and their ideology is Russian ...

    Don't be silly Oleg. The showcase is really Russian now, at least the cover. But the true rulers are behind the scenes. And they have nothing to do with the state-forming people.
    And Stalin cleaned up the Jewish component of permanent revolutionaries in 37. For which the Jews now call him a tyrant. hi
    1. apro
      apro 17 January 2021 13: 11
      -7
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      And they have nothing to do with the state-forming people.

      Millions of Russian hucksters Jews ??? Ingvar. You are oversimplifying ... this is the Russian way of managing and reproducing livelihoods. Based on permissiveness. an irresponsible attitude towards a person in society and towards society as a whole. and brings society out of its midst of just such characters. and they are understandable and close to them.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 13: 22
        +6
        Quote: apro
        Millions of Russian hucksters Jews ???

        Oleg, have you read the catechism of the Jews of the USSR?
        1. apro
          apro 17 January 2021 13: 28
          -5
          Ingvar.nu, how long can you look for a black cat in a dark room ??? all the more so if it is not there.Russians and without Jews got rid of so many enemies that we don’t need enemies. and resources. And from the territory of Russia there is an eternal lack of resources. Yes, and there is no time, everything is necessary quickly. The task is a lot. And everything required a solution.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 17: 13
            +6
            Quote: apro
            especially if it is not there.

            Yes, yes, but the fact that the Jews are always in positions and winnings at any time is just an accident! good
            Oleg, does it bother you that the list of Russian billionaires is more like a listing of Israeli citizens? Which, by the way, is the majority of these, and this despite the fact that the percentage of Jews in relation to other nationalities in Russia is extremely small.
            Besides, you know as well as I how they became the owners of their wealth.
            So why are you talking about a black cat, which by the way is in this room.
            1. apro
              apro 17 January 2021 17: 27
              -4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Oleg, does it bother you that the list of Russian billionaires is more like a listing of Israeli citizens?

              No, it does not bother. At one time more Jews left Birabidzhan than they lived there. It was profitable and anyone who grew sideways became a Jew.
              Once again, the Russians stole and destroyed many times more Jews in the Russian Federation. And it is always beneficial to write off their crimes on others. And also to ask for money for the fight against Jewry.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 18: 54
                +2
                Quote: apro
                Once again, Russians stole and destroyed many times more Jews in Russia

                Once again, why is the list of billionaires mostly Jewish?
                1. apro
                  apro 17 January 2021 19: 28
                  -3
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: apro
                  Once again, Russians stole and destroyed many times more Jews in Russia

                  Once again, why is the list of billionaires mostly Jewish?

                  No idea. Was not interested in the question.
                  And what difference does that make?
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 20: 20
                  +2
                  There is such a concept - a causal relationship. hi
                3. apro
                  apro 17 January 2021 20: 39
                  -1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  There is such a concept - a causal relationship. hi

                  Capitalism is called.
                4. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 17 January 2021 20: 41
                  0
                  This is a consequence.
                5. apro
                  apro 17 January 2021 20: 42
                  -1
                  This is the reason. All because of the attendants.
  • clerk
    clerk 17 January 2021 10: 23
    -3
    It is enough just to know the history - Witte's actions are essentially the same - formally a gold ruble, in fact - 5-7% of annual inflation. The difference from that time is that they simply do not hold on to the nominal rate.
  • Snail N9
    Snail N9 17 January 2021 05: 27
    +20
    Why do they need currency? It has already been written here more than once that the former buy and sell and their roofers do not know how to do anything in terms of economic development, except for resale, pulling taxes and stuffing in this way like earning it in different money boxes behind the cordon at albeit scanty, but stable interest. The cheap ruble is beneficial only to those who export the country's resources abroad - they sold them abroad for hard currency, and in the colony paid off the Papuans with cheap tugriks. Well, the government is profitable - they have all the money in their boxes in foreign currency and social obligations to the people in rubles - the cheaper the ruble, the less currency is needed to pay with these rubles. If we talk about the planned intervention to buy the Central Bank's currency, then the idea is simple, according to the budgetary rule imposed by the IMF, the Central Bank may thus want to throw out a certain amount of rubles on the domestic market. Only the joke is that you need to know from whom he is going to buy this currency - who is selling it - this is the most interesting thing knowing this, you can already think about which of the currency sellers is going to do something in Russia, since the rubles are for him needed. And most likely, everything is simple here - soon spring and large companies are closing the tax period and they need rubles to pay taxes.
  • U-58
    U-58 17 January 2021 05: 30
    +4
    The material was written for what and for whom? To talk about the whole volume, in the end to complain about the upcoming price increase. And while not making a single OWN conclusion - it began to come into fashion ..
    1. apro
      apro 17 January 2021 05: 39
      +3
      Quote: U-58
      And while not making a single OWN conclusion - it began to come into fashion ..

      Why ??? go to the store ... and there are enough conclusions.
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 17 January 2021 07: 51
        +21
        Yes, at least to the store, at least to the pharmacy. DSM Group CEO Sergei Shulyak said that the price increase reaches 15%. Some suppliers have increased the prices for existing stock balances, since they will have to buy the next batches of drugs taking into account the devaluation of our long-suffering ruble.
        Never mind, I recently received a whole thousand more pension.
        1. apro
          apro 17 January 2021 07: 52
          -4
          Quote: Crowe
          Never mind, I recently received a whole thousand more pension.

          You see, and you are lamenting.
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 17 January 2021 05: 40
    +8
    From my bell tower I understand attempts to devalue the ruble as a desire to ruin the citizens of Russia who have some kind of savings and savings. It is from this point of view that one should look at the actions of the government in our country. In the 90s, this trick was done in full. All our people plunged into poverty as a result of the actions of the liberal reformers in the government. After such a lesson, I was left with a lifetime immunity of distrust to the Russian government in principle. And now all the gestures of ministers and ministries in Russia, apart from the alarm of expectation of another scam, cause nothing.
    1. apro
      apro 17 January 2021 06: 04
      +2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      After such a lesson, I was left with a lifetime immunity of distrust to the Russian government in principle.

      Lyokha. Yes, is it really possible about a legally elected government? Under the leadership of a legally elected president. With such a trust rating? These are obvious Russophobic statements. Who do you work for? The State Department? Massad? Or the LGBT community?
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 17 January 2021 06: 21
        +9
        Я smile I work for a salary in rubles, for which I then buy bread, milk, meat products, pay for housing and communal services, pay various taxes and for family maintenance. In general, I have no time to waste my precious time on the Mossad, LGBT, the State Department. And if the ruble depreciates, it will directly hit my well-being, as well as millions of other Russian citizens. Therefore, you should never take the word of the Minister of Finance, Minister of Economy, Chairman of the Central Bank and other financial fraternity. Only the result of their work is important for ordinary citizens of Russia, and to put it mildly, it is not very impressive.
        1. apro
          apro 17 January 2021 06: 26
          -10%
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          In general, I have no time to waste my precious time on the Mossad, LGBT, the State Department.

          Do you have time to speak out against the legally elected president?
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Therefore, you should never take the word of the Minister of Finance, Minister of Economy, Chairman of the Central Bank and other financial companies.

          As I understand it, they exist separately from the decisions of the legally elected president, who was supported by the majority of Russians? Are you against the Russians?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 06: 31
            +5
            Quote: apro
            As I understand it, they exist separately from the decisions of the legally elected president, who was supported by the majority of Russians? Are you against the Russians?

            Who supported him? I came to the polls, a police major sits, and says: "Vovan, vote for Putin."
            1. apro
              apro 17 January 2021 06: 34
              -7
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Who supported him? I came to the polls, a police major sits, and says: "Vovan, vote for Putin."

              And Vovan. Out of fear and voted twice.
              Mordvin: You are Russian, how can I urge you on?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 06: 41
                +5
                Quote: apro
                And Vovan. Out of fear and voted twice.

                And I sent it in three funny letters. And he voted for Zhirik. In spite of this.
                1. apro
                  apro 17 January 2021 06: 44
                  -5
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: apro
                  And Vovan. Out of fear and voted twice.

                  And I sent it in three funny letters. And he voted for Zhirik. In spite of this.

                  A man, a real Russian ... loves the orphan and the poor.
              2. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 17 January 2021 06: 42
                -1
                Are you inciting people to revolt? smile Where will you be from?
                1. apro
                  apro 17 January 2021 06: 46
                  -8
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  Are you inciting people to revolt? smile Where will you be from?

                  Not Lyokha. Drilling water in a glass zabalyaet. I do not see sincerity.
                  With two we are.
                2. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 06: 48
                  +3
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  Where will you be from?

                  He is from Australia.
                  1. apro
                    apro 17 January 2021 07: 00
                    -3
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    He is from Australia

                    Amur province ... to be more precise.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 07: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: apro
                      Amur province ... to be more precise.

                      I'm sorry, pliz! Sorry!
          2. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 17 January 2021 06: 36
            +3
            Apro do not put an owl on the globe, what fun, I do not trust the government of Russia, the constitution and laws of Russia do not prohibit me from this. Then why did you drag the Russians here, I don't understand. Putin received a mandate to rule from the people, but this does not mean that he has the right to do whatever he wants, above him is the Russian constitution, which he has no right to violate. hi
            1. apro
              apro 17 January 2021 06: 43
              -6
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Putin received a mandate to rule from the people

              This is the key word. It means that Russians trust him. And for 20 years. Have linked their desires and hopes with him. And repeatedly re-elected Russians have shown him confidence. As well as the policy he is pursuing.
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              don't put an owl on the globe,

              I am not stretching, I am stating the facts.
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              above him is the Russian constitution to violate which he has no right.

              Without general approval ... as I understand it, he has no problem with that.
              1. Lech from Android.
                Lech from Android. 17 January 2021 06: 49
                +2
                What other facts, your frequent mention of the Russians says that you yourself are not Russian and that you have some kind of resentment against the Russians. Are you not a Russian-speaking Jew? Surely not from Israel you are trying to hang noodles on my ears?
                Usually such guys behave like this on their resource.
                1. apro
                  apro 17 January 2021 06: 53
                  -6
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  Are you not a Russian-speaking Jew?

                  Worse. I'm Soviet.
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  Surely not from Israel you are trying to hang noodles on my ears?

                  Anti-Semitic statements are prosecuted.
                  Quote: Lech from Android.
                  What other facts

                  Fact one. Trust in the legally elected president. Fact second not trust in his government. Fact third. Medical .. diagnosis. What?
                  1. Lech from Android.
                    Lech from Android. 17 January 2021 07: 04
                    +9
                    I called a Jew a Jew is that anti-Semitism? You are so my friend and you can reach Hitler's methods. Imagine, too, Soviet, but Russian. The fact is that Putin is the first president, he broke his promise not to touch the retirement age of citizens. This alone is suspicious, the presence of odious personalities like Gref and Chubais around him also does not inspire confidence. The second fact, the government is mostly liberals from the 90s on which I have a big grudge. The third fact, together it all causes persistent mistrust. Bad fact analyst among you.
                    1. apro
                      apro 17 January 2021 07: 13
                      -8
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      Fact is the first Putin is president, he broke his promise not to touch the retirement age of citizens

                      With general approval. Means did not violate anything. Russians agree with him
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      Fact two, the government is mostly liberals from the 90s

                      This government was formed with the approval of the legally elected president; therefore, he trusts them.
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      The third fact, together it all causes persistent mistrust.

                      But in the elections he is supported. On the ratings he is supported ... how is that?
                      Quote: Lech from Android.
                      Imagine, too, Soviet, but Russian

                      The fact that Russian is beyond doubt, and Soviet is extremely doubtful. This is not a fact of birth. It is a position.
                      1. Lech from Android.
                        Lech from Android. 17 January 2021 07: 25
                        +4
                        Doubt is good, why are you denying me the right to doubt if my position differs from yours?
                        Well, the people's support for Putin can quickly end, just like it happened with Yeltsin. Of course, if Putin starts to go too far with unpopular measures, then no rating will save him. I try to assess the situation in spite of the ratings, popularity and other bourgeois gadgets ... It helps to not be deceived. Yesterday, imagine a lady called me, allegedly from the technical department of Sberbank, tried to deceive the data from my account, mocked her for half an hour until she hung up. smile
                      2. apro
                        apro 17 January 2021 07: 35
                        -8
                        Quote: Lech from Android.
                        why are you denying me the right to doubt,

                        Because you are Russian. And it is your Russian position .. which is in tune with the activities of the Russian government. You cannot leave yourself.
                      3. Lech from Android.
                        Lech from Android. 17 January 2021 07: 40
                        0
                        Facts and only facts matter in assessing the situation, and I will proceed from this in the future. hi
        2. yuriy55
          yuriy55 17 January 2021 07: 46
          +6
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          above him is the Russian constitution to violate which he has no right.

          Over whom? Above him are reinforced concrete floors and people from the FSO, whose suicidal tendencies are simply amazing.
          As for the "drawbar", it is a long time ago (by whom and where needed) a modernized innovative gadget ...
  • sniperino
    sniperino 17 January 2021 08: 17
    -13%
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    I still have lifelong immunity of distrust to the Russian government in principle
    Then it's time to blame, if still here. What can you do with such "immunity"? Only muddy the water. But this is - for the time being, but you have a "lifetime".
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 17 January 2021 09: 37
      +5
      You will bring down ... I was born, lived, live and die in my homeland and for my convictions I am ready to stand even against the wall in front of you, Mr. Lieutenant.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 17 January 2021 10: 24
        -9
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        I am ready to stand even against the wall in front of you
        This isn't about a duel? The weapon has already been chosen, "insulted innocence"? What the hell are you doing in a country with your "lifetime immunity of mistrust in its government in principle." If "in principle", then there will be no luck: first muddy the water, then slurp the gruel, then they will smear the forehead with green stuff, if you don’t calm down, and the order will not depend on you or me. Or are you hoping for anarcho-syndicalism? It's not gonna go.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 17 January 2021 18: 08
    -4
    You have two options: either a rise in prices, in a market economy without this, no matter how, or a deficit total for everything - what do you choose?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 06: 08
    +7
    In, we remembered ...
    well, exactly like Viktor Stepanovich Chernomyrdin.

    "Shamil Basayev, Shamil Basayev, let's come to an agreement!" I will give you such documents about your leadership that everyone will go nuts. "" Shamil, let's come to an agreement .... "
  • parusnik
    parusnik 17 January 2021 06: 08
    +9
    The low exchange rate of the ruble, let's hit "their" economies! Russia has risen from its knees! laughing
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 06: 14
      +10
      Quote: parusnik
      Russia has risen from its knees!

      Yeah, and fell on my ass.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 17 January 2021 06: 48
        +15
        Like this:

        "But you need to: tighten your belts and still, be patient" and everything will work out .... Here, a very good device, will help "in" tightening the belt "and make new holes yourself, no need ...
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 06: 51
          +6
          Yeah, but I still have a full piggy bank with kopecks.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 January 2021 18: 14
          -7
          You can drag out and endure as much as you want and whine without stopping - in any case, neither your pension nor your salary will grow because money does not appear out of thin air and will not appear.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 05: 33
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            You can drag out and endure as much as you want and whine without stopping

            Vadik, who are you talking about?
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 17 January 2021 06: 18
    +9
    Gorbachev asks Ryzhkov:
    -What's going on with our economy?
    Ryzhkov: - I'll explain now ...
    Gorbachev: - Yes, I myself can explain, I cannot understand.
    1. apro
      apro 17 January 2021 06: 21
      -6
      Not a funny anegdote.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 06: 25
      +3
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Ryzhkov

      Ryzhkov, too, I remember running for president. He played the accordion and sang ditties.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 January 2021 06: 22
    +4
    "What is the matter at once you will not understand ..". Someone decides state affairs, someone owns. If they buy currency, then they are confident in its future.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 06: 46
      +1
      Quote: nikvic46
      If they buy currency, then they are sure of its future.

      I read about Jack Reacher. His brother served in financiers. So ... Half of the printed bucks, as he assured, are in Russia.
      1. clerk
        clerk 17 January 2021 08: 37
        -2
        Paper bucks are a few percent (if not a fraction of a percent) of the total issued dollars.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 09: 20
          +2
          Quote: clerk
          Paper bucks are a few percent (if not a fraction of a percent) of the total issued dollars.

          22 billion bucks
    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 17 January 2021 06: 53
      +6
      Oh, this "currency" in the boxes behind the cordon ....
      The new report on the management of assets in foreign currency and gold, published by the Central Bank, personally caused me, to put it mildly, bewilderment. Almost all the currency that is bought by the so-called. budget rule, is displayed abroad. Three quarters of all purchased currency is outside Russia and only 22% is invested in physical gold.

      Russian money works for China, Japan, Germany, France, the United States, but not for Russia. Moreover, the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank resume buying up foreign currency, which will inevitably lead to a weakening of the ruble, and this, in turn, leads to another round of falling incomes and purchasing power of those who live and earn in the ruble zone.

      Here, the full text:
      http://agitpro.su/russkie-dengi-rabotayut-na-vsex-krome-rossii-mvf-potiraet-ruki/?utm_source=finobzor.ru
    3. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 17 January 2021 12: 17
      +4
      It turns out that Putin believes in the dollar more than in the ruble.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 January 2021 06: 43
    +2
    In order to fully understand what is going on in Russian financial policy, it is not enough to be "seven inches in the forehead", you still need to at least belong to this "liberal elite", hear what they whisper about in their get-togethers, with whom they directly contact at the IMF, etc. foreign organizations, which ones receive instructions, etc. In Soviet times, they periodically carried out party cleansing of their ranks, probably the time has come to purge the financial and economic sector and completely abandon the services of abstruse "professionals" oriented exclusively towards the West.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 17 January 2021 09: 37
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      it's time to clean up the financial and economic sector

      Not. It won't work. It is necessary to clean above. The one who forms this sector.
      1. U-58
        U-58 17 January 2021 10: 52
        +6
        The trouble is, financial executives and top entertainers are one company.
        Others have long been taken outside the circle. That is, you are right, we must act in relation to the main entertainers.
        To begin with, to vote in the elections RIGHT, without intoxicating yourself and others with a "rhetorical" question, who else to vote for? Without creating a favorable atmosphere for counterfeiting
        results of elections rigged by falsifiers.
        Moreover, there is someone to vote for.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 17 January 2021 12: 20
          +2
          Here is Lyuba Sobol in the State Duma gathered, and she is at the main entertainer, like a bone in his throat. For her and must vote.
          1. U-58
            U-58 17 January 2021 13: 52
            +2
            And who is this - Lyuba Sobol ???
            I don't follow Moscow e'toils
            1. Machito
              Machito 17 January 2021 20: 23
              +1
              Quote: U-58
              And who is this - Lyuba Sobol ???
              I don't follow Moscow e'toils

              This is Arctic fox - a white fur-bearing animal.
  • Uran53
    Uran53 17 January 2021 06: 50
    +14
    But I have a question: they kept convincing us that our egg-box was full, that the state didn’t peck money. But now a pandemic has been declared, and by a strange coincidence, when it comes to supporting small and medium-sized businesses, as well as the country's population, we are already told that there is no more money and will not be. Question: WHERE IS THE MONEY? Although I am tormented by vague doubts that our government, together with the zeroed one, helped the "partners" with our money. Remember at the beginning of the pandemic, like in Vnukovo, they dropped, and did not even miss 2 bars of gold when loading into a business jet.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 17 January 2021 07: 02
      +7
      Quote: Uran53
      Remember at the beginning of the pandemic, like in Vnukovo, they dropped, and did not even miss 2 bars of gold when loading into a business jet.

      There they dropped two sacks of bucks. Four millions. The movers grabbed them.
      1. Uran53
        Uran53 18 January 2021 11: 34
        +1
        Here they are investments in our bright future!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 11: 37
          0
          And the cops found them. wink
    2. Antidote
      Antidote 17 January 2021 07: 11
      +3
      You ask some provocative questions, and it’s not far from the kopeck piece.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 11: 54
        0
        Quote: Antidote
        You ask some provocative questions, and it’s not far from the kopeck piece.

        And somehow they stole five kilos of titanium. The KGB was stunned ... He made rabbits from titanium mesh ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 January 2021 07: 09
    +10
    good question! Why does Siluanov, and not Russia, need dollars?
  • Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 17 January 2021 07: 32
    +4
    There are national interests, for the good of the People! And there is - for the sake of self-interest! It would be necessary to figure it out, the competent authorities! guilty of death - maybe! Homeland is in danger!
    1. U-58
      U-58 17 January 2021 08: 44
      +5
      Competent orgasms?
      And who are the judges? !!
  • Klingon
    Klingon 17 January 2021 08: 10
    0
    why and why is this article here? there are resources about all sorts of stock exchanges and finance there and its place. IMHO
  • clerk
    clerk 17 January 2021 08: 34
    -5
    The authors puff their cheeks senselessly without even understanding how the Russian foreign exchange market works and what the real exchange rate depends on. The Ministry of Finance has nothing to do with this case at all - its "purchase of currency" is really a purely technical operation to pay payments on the external public debt.
  • fsps
    fsps 17 January 2021 09: 32
    -1
    Nabiullina opposed Gref: isn't that why the resignation, Gref "and the Sleepers" are devouring?
    https://universe-tss.su/main/politika/russia/90193-zadushim-v-nezhnyh-objatijah-ambicii-grefa-dostali-dazhe-nabiullinu.html
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 17 January 2021 09: 48
    -7
    ".. But in natural selection,
    Putin is better anyway ... "
  • Vitalian
    Vitalian 17 January 2021 09: 52
    -9
    Favorite topic of all kinds of liberda ..)))
    And as always, it all starts with housing and communal services tariffs, transport fares and gasoline. There have already been problems and interruptions with sugar and sunflower oil, while bread and salt are still in line.

    Forgot about starving pensioners and roads .. he he
  • APASUS
    APASUS 17 January 2021 11: 57
    +9
    Why does Siluanov need dollars and euros today?

    The headline speaks about itself
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 17 January 2021 14: 18
    -8
    Looked at the comments! Most of them hope Putin will leave, another Tsar Father will come and live. But they did not try to start with themselves. Under the USSR, I had an above-average income, a sailor in a foreign swim tends to imply that. One year after the collapse, it was fun to get $ 100 for rubles a half-year salary Well, we survived nothing, the sea was not abandoned, and the marine brotherhood helped. About the sea is a separate topic, the salary is $. That's when I retired at 50, the show began. I had to take on the production of everything, in terms of production, the main education is cold, I had to take fish processing, fortunately I know how the fish is arranged, and the machinery that processes it, a German smokehouse, a smoked Mercedes. Then the Olympics, again the naval fraternity helped. I started with the rank and file, before the Olympics I reached the leading specialist. The brain was boiling with tasks, but the high from work was not perepovayem.A plan for life was set, I had to look for a second job after the Olympics. Now two jobs plus a pension. I go home once a week, but I don’t cry, the buzz is when 5 times per week I get "bablonosny ESMski. Of course, when health does not allow, it is very difficult. Maybe you need to start with yourself, there will be no Tsar Father! You are the creators of your happiness. With respect to all opinions! hi drinks Chacha of its own production. drinks
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 January 2021 16: 22
      -9
      Minusators, for you! Young people work for us in three jobs, we old people have to cover them with our authority. Their income is more than one hundred fifty (150) thousand That's how we live in the city of Sochi, where the nights are dark! drinks good
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 17 January 2021 16: 57
        +8
        Minusators, for you! Young people work for us in three jobs, we old people have to cover them with our authority. Their income is more than one hundred fifty (150) thousand. That's how we live

        Yeah. Just like here, here:

        Or here:
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 17 January 2021 17: 09
          -8
          Judging by the cartoons, you are related to Navalny, we earn with our own hands, not with the keyboard, but with keys from 6 to 52 to 56. It turns out this work is not paid very badly. And you pay at least half a hundred to knock on the keyboard.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 05: 38
          0
          In the 90s I could easily take a wheelbarrow.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 January 2021 11: 45
        +2
        Quote: tralflot1832
        Their income is more than one hundred fifty (150) thousand That's how we live in the city of Sochi, where the nights are dark!

        They offered me a job. Ten thousand for forty-eight hours a week. I sent them in three letters.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 18 January 2021 11: 49
          -2
          I offered to divide the people, but I come to work once a month for a salary! For 14.
  • l7yzo
    l7yzo 17 January 2021 17: 18
    +2
    To make money on the exchange rate again. They apparently expect the dollar to rise due to Biden's choice. And in parallel - to prevent the ruble from getting stronger - after all, the main beneficiary of the weak ruble is the BUDGET, due to the fact that we have the main resource part in the budget, and it is foreign currency)
    Yes, and the pension was raised by 4-6% and the ruble dropped by the same 4-6% - count the income / expense))
  • bandabas
    bandabas 17 January 2021 17: 48
    +6
    As "voiced" last year, GDP - in our country 70% of the population belongs to the middle class. So, they fell, squeezed out, lined up ... They were still massively inoculated with something unknown and unknown with what.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 January 2021 20: 03
    0
    As they are tired of these liberals Russia. For 30 years it is not clear how and for whom "they plow in the sweat of their brow." One HSE, an incomprehensible "school" with what legal status, but in which many issues are resolved from financial to education, says a lot about what. Only the lazy does not say what they have turned into Sberbank.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 17 January 2021 20: 04
    -3
    Quote: Stas157
    . The Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank act in a coordinated mannerso that there is no negative impact on the national currency rate.

    Many thanks from all over the country !! The result of curbing the wooden rate is obvious - the ruble is stable in its fall. The last 30 years for sure.

    . Purchase different kinds American and European assets, including not only government bonds, but also securities of private structures, from March 2020 was not interrupted.

    Well, what are you Confused, don't you want to gag on such a happy occasion? Or your idol has nothing to do with it again?

    ... Both America and recently united Europe never tire of thanking the heads of all Russian economic departments for unprecedented assistance their economies.

    For a long time I noticed that they often have a common chorus with entanglements.

    About trips abroad:
    . for the vast majority population, very poor, these borders have never been opened


    This is not essential. As you don’t understand, the main achievement of Putin is that all yards are packed with foreign cars. This is precisely the basis of the well-being of Russians! According to the confused people, at least.

    Always amused by the "mental" process bulk, turning into incontinence)))
    It seems that he is shouting something, but he himself does not understand what, why ... Monotonous rotten background and that's it.
    But apparently by the general line
    here it was "zaputintsy" to twist the blowing. Well, still would show the ass. good
  • Tagan
    Tagan 17 January 2021 20: 38
    -4
    Quote: l7yzo
    ... due to the fact that we have the main resource part in the budget, and it is foreign currency)

    What did you mean by that?
    Since we have already hinted at something "currency", it refers to export earnings. So, the share of resources (mainly energy), as you put it, is "main" only in terms of exports.
  • zayts18
    zayts18 17 January 2021 22: 00
    -2
    Well, what are you Confused, don't you want to gag on such a happy occasion? Or your idol has nothing to do with it again?
    I'm embarrassed to ask, but you Zanalnye don't want to cry? They took your leader, right at the airport and took him ... lukewarm.
    1. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 18 January 2021 08: 02
      -3
      It's so hard to work for a hundred, plus a pension! I am a true Putin, so that he reigns until I die! But you won't wait for my death! Start solving your problems yourself, there will be no manna from heaven !!!
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 18 January 2021 00: 15
    +20
    The Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank act in a coordinated manner so that there is no negative impact on the exchange rate of the national currency.

    Yeah, coordinated ... Adjusted against the ruble.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 18 January 2021 00: 21
    +20
    The purchase of various kinds of American and European assets, including not only government bonds, but also securities of private structures, has not been interrupted since March 2020.

    That's right, why buy domestic securities, you need to enemies "partners" to buy, there is currency, and then some kind of ruble ...
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 18 January 2021 00: 27
    +12
    America and recently united Europe never tire of thanking the heads of all Russian economic departments for the unprecedented assistance to their economies

    How else. Our leaders render them invaluable help no matter how ... am
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir 18 January 2021 00: 29
    +19
    as a source of supply of high-tech goods. More precisely, for the most part - already only key components for them

    We should establish our own production of high-tech products, and not buy from enemies ... Dreams ...
    1. fsps
      fsps 18 January 2021 22: 20