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Turkey will equip the Altay MBT with its own engine

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Turkey will equip the Altay MBT with its own engine

The Turkish Altay main battle tank will receive a domestic engine, Ankara announced the development of its own power plant, which should replace the German engine originally planned for the Turkish tank.


As a power plant for the Altay MBT, it is planned to use an engine called Batu, the development of which started in 2018 at the facilities of BMC (a Turkish-Qatari company that previously won an engine development contract). The work on the new unit will be carried out by Otokar.

Batu is an engine-transmission unit consisting of a diesel engine and an automatic transmission. The engine should have a power of 1600 hp. Other parameters of the new power plant were not reported, and the timing of the start of its serial production is also unknown.

Note that the Turkish Altay tank is almost ready for mass production, everything depends on the lack of an engine for it. As you know, South Korea itself is experiencing difficulties in creating an engine for its own tank, and Germany has banned the supply of MTU MT883 engines due to the arms embargo imposed on Turkey.

The agreement on the design of the Altay tank was concluded in 2007, the first sample of the Altay tank was presented in May 2011 at the IDEF-2011 arms exhibition in Istanbul, in 2018 the development and testing process of the tank was completed, after which the start of its production was announced.

The tank weighs 60 tons, while it can reach speeds of up to 70 km / h. The vehicle is equipped with a reservation system from the Roketsan company, as well as active protection and fire control systems developed by Aselsan. In addition, Altay tanks will be equipped with radiation and chemical threat detection systems. The 120mm smoothbore cannon is a copy of the Rheinmetall development, a South Korean hydropneumatic suspension.
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  1. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 13 January 2021 15: 46
    +4
    "Partners", as always, did not disappoint.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 13 January 2021 16: 03
      0
      "Partners", as always, did not disappoint.

      And as it was not clear with the engine, it remained.
      A separate problem is the transmission. In Korea too.
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 13 January 2021 17: 37
        +1
        yes they will again stupidly make a copy of the German, and they will not do it themselves, but the Germans will be invited.
        1. alpamys
          alpamys 14 January 2021 02: 35
          +1
          Quote: Dodikson
          yes they will again stupidly make a copy of the German, and they will not do it themselves, but the Germans will be invited.

          they don't have enough brains to copy the German transmission laughing laughing tried, but things are still there, and the Turks generally have brakes, since 2008 they have been building their armor, they are building, but they will not build it.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 14 January 2021 17: 28
            0
            Duc you compared air defense and baklava.
            clearly red that they themselves will not do air defense.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 13 January 2021 15: 48
    +5
    Turkey will equip the Altay MBT with its own engine

    So there will be t t .... but what will happen ???
    The power plant for heavy armored vehicles is a topic, the unit is serious, complex, not many have learned how to make such that they would work well and perform the task as it should.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 13 January 2021 15: 56
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      So there will be t t .... but what will happen ???

      in my opinion ..... nothing will happen ...
      Perhaps the Germans will supply engines via Qatar ....
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 14 January 2021 06: 58
        0
        This is the cooperation of the countries of the same military bloc! And we all blame our CSTO.
  3. Voltsky
    Voltsky 13 January 2021 15: 52
    +3
    dviglo, on average, have been doing for several years, or even decades ... but given the rich catarrh
    1. saigon
      saigon 13 January 2021 15: 57
      +6
      Rich or not, but the ARABS sir keep trying to remember the technological products from those countries and how it does not grow together
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 13 January 2021 16: 10
        +4
        and when did the Arabs work ?! buy Sell; hey ara ....

        They just need to get specialists.
      2. Dodikson
        Dodikson 13 January 2021 17: 38
        0
        +1 when they write about smart Arabs and other dark-haired people I ask - but don't you tell me what they invented? Well, or at least tell me what kind of machines they make, or what planes or ships they build, what kind of rockets they launch their satellites into space. Well, at least show them your phone.
        and silence in response.
        1. Kuroneko
          Kuroneko 14 January 2021 13: 20
          0
          Quote: Dodikson
          +1 when they write about clever Arabs and other dark-haired people I ask - do you tell me what they invented?

          Algebra, chemistry - these words are not in vain of Arabic origin. Al-jabr, al-hemi. Yes, the same numbers are also from the Arabs (although initially it was a modified Indian record).
          Arabic numerals became known to Europeans in the XNUMXth century. The Indian system of numbers passed to the Arabs, who gave Indian numbers a slightly different form, from the Arabs this system called "Arabic numerals" spread throughout Europe. In Spain, the first cases of using Arabic numerals date back to the XNUMXth century, in other Western European countries - to the XNUMXth century, the widespread use of Arabic numerals in Western Europe began in the second half of the XNUMXth century.

          In the Middle Ages, it was the Arabic language that was one of the main scientific languages. Any self-respecting European schoolboy had to know not only Latin, but also Arabic. Many fundamental scientific works of that time were published in Arabic. Science flourished in the Middle East then.
          But the present-day Arabs were crushing, yes.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 14 January 2021 17: 22
            0
            all this is nonsense and has long been disproved.
            everything that is attributed to the Arabs was made by the Persians.
            Well, about the Arabic numerals, you yourself noted that these are originally Indian numbers.
            1. Kuroneko
              Kuroneko 14 January 2021 18: 01
              0
              Quote: Dodikson
              everything that is attributed to the Arabs was made by the Persians.

              Blessed is he who believes. However, I will not enter into polemics. I spoke about the Middle East in the first place. And there the Persians, and the Arabs, and the Moors pushed science in their time. When unwashed European barbarians lagged behind.
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 14 January 2021 18: 03
                0
                before starting an argument, it is worth tightening up at least basic knowledge.
                Persians are Indo-Europeans if Th.
                1. Kuroneko
                  Kuroneko 14 January 2021 18: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Dodikson
                  before starting an argument, it is worth tightening up at least basic knowledge.

                  Here it is not necessary to la-la, otherwise I can seriously beat with arguments. Pull up YOUR knowledge first, but thanks for not mentioning the Aryans.
                  I do not defend modern Arabs (I have already said above, they were crushed), but you clearly have dislike for them, turning into racism. And the medieval Arabs did a LOT for science. It is a fact. Live with it, even if it is a fact and unpleasant to you. Goodbye.
                  1. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 14 January 2021 18: 24
                    0
                    you will tell your fairy tales to someone else, I studied this question quite well 10 years ago.
                    and all Arab scholars and discoveries ALWAYS boiled down to Persians.
                    therefore, Arab science began to develop along with the Arab conquests, and reached its peak after the conquest of Central Asia. and after the Arab conquests ended, for some reason oops. and the science of the Arabs is over.
                    for the Europeans, for some reason, it began and never ended again, for the Asians it began and although it lagged behind the European one, it still continued to live, but some Arabs for some reason died right after the Arabs stopped importing foreign scientists.
                    what a strange science among the Arabs.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 January 2021 15: 58
      +8
      Work on the engine is carried out in cooperation with Fiat \ Iveco engineers, who provide technical advice, and develop individual components of the power unit. For the money of Turkey and Qatar.
      Batu is an engine-transmission unit consisting of a diesel engine and an automatic transmission. The development of the engine started at the facilities of BMC (Turkish Automobile Company) after the conclusion of a contract with the country's defense department in 2018. Work on the engine is carried out in cooperation with Fiat \ Iveco engineers, who provide technical advice, and develop individual components of the power unit. It is known that the diesel engine will receive a turbine, which will provide an output of 1600 hp. This figure can hardly be called excessive, given the tank's mass of 64 tons. The rest of the parameters of the new power unit, and the timing of its serial production have not yet been reported.

      Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/tureczkoe-importozameshhenie-turcziya-razrabotaet-svoj-dvigatel-dlya-tanka-altay.html
      naukatehnika.com
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 13 January 2021 16: 23
        +1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Work on the engine is carried out in cooperation with Fiat \ Iveco engineers, who provide technical advice, and develop individual components of the power unit. For the money of Turkey and Qatar.

        Quote: Voletsky
        They just need to get specialists.

        Q.E.D; I throw to you +; but something you are mercilessly minus me
  4. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 13 January 2021 15: 57
    +3
    They can't even master a high-performance engine for a bayraktar, they crawled to the xoxlam.
    And then a tank diesel engine of 1600 (!) HP. Nobody has that. For comparison, V-92S2F - 1130 hp.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 January 2021 16: 02
      +6
      A cannon for Altai, too, let them order from Ukraine. True, I'm afraid it will still be of Soviet production.
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 13 January 2021 17: 39
        +3
        they can put their own cannon, no one promised that the cannon would shoot there.
        1. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin 13 January 2021 19: 06
          -2
          Quote: Dodikson
          they can put their own cannon, no one promised that the cannon would shoot there.

          Since 2002, the Turks have been serially producing a 155 mm howitzer with a firing range of 40/50 km.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 13 January 2021 19: 10
            +1
            and this is what?
            and what is the Firtina so that Korean self-propelled guns, towed? Duc is also not Turkish development.
            and what you don't take from the Turks is not a damn Turkish thing.
            Altai and Firtina are Korean black pontera and thunder.
            their helicopter is a European mongoose, their MANPADS is a Stinger, their anti-ship missiles is a Harpoon, I remember they did some other air defense systems MD, so this is also a Stinger.
            in general, the Turks themselves cannot do anything more difficult than baklava. no brains, all went to the genitals (this is why our Natasha love them)
    2. Asad
      Asad 13 January 2021 16: 04
      -3
      And we didn’t manage to create for the “corn plant”!
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                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 13 January 2021 16: 23
                  +1
                  Quote: ASAD
                  You will poke your wife if you will.

                  He does not allow you to see.
                  1. Asad
                    Asad 13 January 2021 16: 24
                    0
                    Please answer the question!
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                      1. Asad
                        Asad 13 January 2021 16: 53
                        +2
                        Has a modern Russian-made engine been created? If not, why am I free?
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    3. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 January 2021 16: 08
      0
      Quote: ASAD
      And we didn’t manage to create for the “corn plant”!

      Wow, they can't create an engine for the corn-grower in Ukraine. What progress has reached.
      1. Asad
        Asad 13 January 2021 16: 11
        -1
        Please enlighten about the engine, which organization created and launched it into the series?
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 13 January 2021 16: 32
          0
          Quote: ASAD
          Please enlighten about the engine, which organization created and launched it into the series?


          Please.
          Due to the lack of a modern economical and lightweight engine in Russia, SibNIA decided to install a Honeywell TRE-2-62 turboprop engine with 331 horsepower instead of the AS-12IR piston. The engine can run on various fuels, including aviation kerosene and gasoline.



          The plane performed its first flight on September 5, 2011. During flight tests of the aircraft, the declared characteristics were confirmed, compared to the original An-2, almost all of them improved by 15-20%, and the flight range with full load increased by 1,5 times. The aircraft began to consume 10% less fuel. Flying on kerosene allows about 20 thousand rubles. reduce the cost of a flight hour, because this fuel is 5 times cheaper than gasoline.

          The An-2 aircraft upgraded in this way received the designation TVS-2MS. The abbreviation TVS-2MS stands for "turboprop aircraft - 2 crew members, modernization of SibNIA". The abbreviation "An" had to be abandoned in the name of the car, since it was registered at the Ukrainian state enterprise "Antonov".

          https://aviation21.ru/tvs-2dts-lyogkij-celnokompozitnyj-mnogocelevoj-samolyot/
          1. Asad
            Asad 13 January 2021 16: 39
            +1
            I wrote that we are laughing at Turks, Ukrainians, but we cannot yet create a modern engine even for a gazelle or a corn-grower! You accused me of being an agent of the bulk and all lies! What am I wrong?
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 13 January 2021 16: 52
              +1
              Quote: ASAD
              I wrote that we are laughing at Turks, Ukrainians, but we cannot yet create a modern engine even for a gazelle or a corn-grower! You accused me of being an agent of the bulk and all lies! What am I wrong?


              Let's learn. The VK-1600 engine is suitable for a corn machine.
              A new line of engines is being created at UEC: VK-650 in the power class of 400-700 hp, as well as VK-1600 in the power class of 1300-1700 hp. The power of the first engine will make it possible to use it in the Ka-226, Ansat and VRT-500 helicopters, the second is intended for the Ka-62 helicopter. These will be completely new, modern power plants, developed taking into account the requirements of the world market, both in terms of technical characteristics and in terms of life cycle costs.

              For the VK-650 engine, preliminary design has already been completed, working design documentation has been issued, at the end of 2020 it is planned to create a demonstrator engine, and in 2021 - the first prototypes. We plan to carry out certification in 2023. We plan to certify VK-1600 in the same time frame.

              https://news2.ru/story/605967/

              Gazelles use domestic engines from the Zavolzhsky Motor Plant and the Ulyanovsk Motor Plant. Here you are wrong.

              You accused me of being an agent of the bulk and all lies! What am I wrong?

              Do you lie down with this name and stand up with this name? Leave him alone. I didn't blame anyone for anything.
              1. Asad
                Asad 13 January 2021 17: 07
                -1
                These engines are 50 years old, the only thing that is modern, American-Chinese fireplaces.
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 13 January 2021 17: 41
                  +1
                  Americans fly on engines which are also 50 years old and do not blow up. why do we need to do something new so that the main thing is not the old one? Usually smart people do something new when the old does not suit them, and if they do, then no one does anything new. even an extra bolt is not added.
              2. Togilen
                Togilen 14 January 2021 10: 34
                0
                ZMZ engines have not been used in GAZelles for a long time (after the purchase of the plant by Sollers). Now the main engine is Foton Cummins ISF 2.8 or Huadong ISF 2.8 (the name is different, in fact the same) and the engines of the Ulyanovsk Motor Plant, Evotech 2.7 / 3.0
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 48
                  0
                  Kamins imposed sanctions on GAZ and the Chinese began to supply Huadong. The difference is one - Red, Chinese - black ......
                  It is difficult to impose sanctions with China, they do not care. Lizba was on sale.
    4. Togilen
      Togilen 14 January 2021 10: 23
      -1
      Sorry we didn’t manage to create it for the “maize” and pissed away two R&D “Chaika” and “Universal”. There are 5,5 people in SKB ChTZ (figuratively), and NAMI forces were thrown into the creation of a Putin carrier (aka Aurus).
      What was really able to create and test on BTT is the YaMZ-780 diesel. We have practically its analogue KAMAZ-920.13-750 (and this is cooperation with Liebherr). Plus sign to you
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 46
        -1
        Putinovoz will give the country 2,2 turbo -240hp, 4,4 turbo, 6,6 turbo ....... and on the basis of a 12-cylinder - aviation. There are also some 550 hp GAZ diesel engines. of the new ones.
        1. Togilen
          Togilen 14 January 2021 11: 52
          -1
          There are no GAZ diesels for a long time. The GAZ Group includes YaMZ (controlling stake), which has a military YaMZ-780 (up to 730 forces) and a civilian YaMZ-770 (up to 550 hp). GAZ diesels have been produced since 92 under the KHD license (with their own modifications, a different volume, the drive of the blower with a shaft and not a belt, etc.) GAZ-542/544/5441 (with TKR), a new plant was built, then the project was closed for fiat production (which never began to be produced), after that, at the facilities of the ZDD, they began to produce GAZ-560/562 to equip the GAZel and Volga, tried it on the GAZ-3308, but the results were unsatisfactory and MMZ-245.7 was delivered to Sadko. Photo of the launch of the GAZ diesel plant



          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 14 January 2021 12: 37
            0
            So YaMZ.
          2. Togilen
            Togilen 14 January 2021 16: 32
            0
            Who is this minus player offended by life? wink
  5. Alex777
    Alex777 13 January 2021 16: 05
    0
    Apparently they hope to get a tank from there.
    It seems to me that the Turks have been dreaming in vain.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 January 2021 16: 14
      0
      Quote: Alex777
      Apparently they hope to get a tank from there.
      It seems to me that the Turks have been dreaming in vain.

      Do not hope. The Turks cooperate for money with Fiat \ Iveco engineers.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 13 January 2021 16: 38
        +2
        The Italians have already put a pig on the French with the Egyptian frigates.
        We will wait and see what the Turks can do with engines. hi
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 13 January 2021 17: 43
          +1
          I hope that not a fig will work.
          I read the translations of the comments from the websites of the Turks, they really consider themselves a superpower that will make the planes twice, the tank is riveted like a tractor in the cold, you just need to warm it up, otherwise they don't have a damn thing, they don't even have a brain for this, only poke what they say we did bayraktar. and the fact that there is only an assembly of Turektsky, they do not care. for that, they are sure that they will make the 5th generation aircraft themselves in 7-6 years.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 13 January 2021 17: 46
            0
            Do they remind you of the Indians in terms of trade? wink
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 13 January 2021 17: 46
              +1
              Indians will be many times smarter. and more cunning.
  6. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 13 January 2021 16: 10
    0
    Quote: Narak-zempo
    They can't even master a high-performance engine for a bayraktar, they crawled to the xoxlam.
    And then a tank diesel engine of 1600 (!) HP. Nobody has that. For comparison, V-92S2F - 1130 hp.


    Engine power A-85-3A (12N360) hp from: basic 1500, available from 1200 to 2000.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 44
      0
      The turbine is still possible ..... on the modernized T-80 - 1200hp.
  7. Dimide
    Dimide 13 January 2021 16: 41
    +1
    6td3-1500 hp
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 13 January 2021 17: 04
      -7
      Quote: Dimid
      6td3-1500 hp

      It's a shame, not an engine, not even worth mentioning.
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 January 2021 16: 59
    +5
    "Nobody has anything like that" ///
    ---
    On Leo-2 - 1500 hp. On the Merkava - also 1500
    1. alpamys
      alpamys 14 January 2021 02: 38
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "Nobody has anything like that" ///
      ---
      On Leo-2 - 1500 hp. On the Merkava - also 1500

      note dviglo German license and transmission from Bavaria lol
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 42
        -1
        Koreans did it on K-2, Hyundai, I think. The new ones will be equipped with a German box.
  • kristofer
    kristofer 13 January 2021 15: 58
    +1
    the tank is ready, but there is no engine. okay, can be used as a fixed firing point
    1. Asad
      Asad 13 January 2021 16: 08
      -1
      They count chickens in the fall, there is funding, they buy technologies, maybe that will work out.
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 13 January 2021 16: 30
        +3
        What's going on Bashar ASAD for Turkey is sick of Erdogan. World has gone mad.
        1. Asad
          Asad 13 January 2021 16: 45
          -7
          A beautiful country, fighting for its place in the sun, like Russia, underestimating the enemy is the last thing! And nickname, this is all nonsense, I am for the fact that the registration was carried out under real data. I consider Assad a dictator!
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 13 January 2021 16: 56
            +3
            And the nickname, this is all nonsense, I am for the fact that the registration was carried out under real data. I consider Assad a dictator!

            Well, right. As Lukashenka said, it is better to be a dictator than ...
  • bar
    bar 13 January 2021 16: 07
    +4
    Erdogan worked for this for a long time, and now it happened. The French refused to supply the "baikartars", the Germans - in the engines for the tanks. It's time to start import substitution. Delov there - just start and finish. It will keep the cheerful Turks busy for a while. laughing
    1. Dodikson
      Dodikson 13 January 2021 17: 48
      -3
      it takes more of a brain. but when they are not ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 13 January 2021 16: 34
    -1
    1600 l / s is not enough for a tank weighing 60 tons. Moreover, the tank will undergo modernization over time, and in the process of operation the mass will grow. And the engine simply won't pull the tank. Now you need to have a capacity of 1850 -1900 l / s so that the tank has a modernization reserve for the future.
  • Sailor
    Sailor 13 January 2021 16: 35
    -5
    Altai is a tank with serious capabilities, and I will notice it against us, but we still have an "under-modernized" T-72. T-90 (A) about 500 pcs. About the modernization of "M" only talk, but should be built and massively at least 1000 pieces. since we do not build Armata. Now the events are repeating the pre-war events of 41, and I'm afraid they will repeat themselves, but we only have no industry, they sold it, destroyed it.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 January 2021 16: 38
      0
      Who in the role of Hitler, tell me?
      1. Sailor
        Sailor 13 January 2021 18: 35
        0
        Collective west.
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 13 January 2021 17: 41
      -3
      but we have no industry, they sold it, destroyed it.

      You may not have.
      And it works for us.
      1. Sailor
        Sailor 13 January 2021 18: 34
        +1
        Where do you have it?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 13 January 2021 18: 41
          -3
          Where do you have it?

          We have it in Russia.
          1. Sailor
            Sailor 13 January 2021 18: 59
            0
            I also live here, but I don't see the flourishing of production, at least not in Volgograd. Only the checkpoint remained from the Volgograd tractor.
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 13 January 2021 19: 20
              +3
              in the states in Oregon, nothing was left from the Abrams plant either, and more than 25 years ago, tell me how the states collapsed and nothing is done there, because the whole plant in Oregon is collapsed.
    3. Dodikson
      Dodikson 13 January 2021 17: 49
      0
      and what does Altai have of the capabilities that the old T-72 does not have?
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 13 January 2021 18: 42
        -3
        Altai with Armata should be compared. hi
        The minus is not mine.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 13 January 2021 19: 18
          -3
          there is nothing to do with the Armata, except that both tanks.
          Altai is a castrated Korean Black Panther.
          which is essentially updated by Asians leo2, only the Panther has a KAZ. and Altai does not have it, because as Altai already wrote it is a castrated Panther.
        2. Togilen
          Togilen 14 January 2021 10: 37
          -3
          The tank comparison is a horse suspended in the air in a vacuum. All this comparison is at the level of performance characteristics, operation and real military operations. And not by pictures and speculation.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 14 January 2021 15: 39
            +1
            suspended in the air horse in a vacuum

            Rjunimagu. laughing
          2. Dodikson
            Dodikson 14 January 2021 17: 23
            0
            then Armata is the bottom, and Abrams is a super tank, because Armata did not fight, and Abrams went through a bunch of wars.
            1. Togilen
              Togilen 14 January 2021 17: 24
              -1
              You know better, I don't give a fuck.
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 14 January 2021 17: 40
                -1
                then why the hell are you writing here?
                1. Togilen
                  Togilen 15 January 2021 08: 59
                  -1
                  Dodik asked you to forget
                  1. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 15 January 2021 12: 21
                    -2
                    condolences, alzheimer's is probably very unpleasant. all the time you forget something, you don't recognize anyone, you gray in the middle of the room and play with your own waste.
                    I watched the show about people like you. and this is really awful, once again accept my condolences.
      2. Sailor
        Sailor 13 January 2021 18: 47
        -1
        Look at the performance characteristics and see.
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 13 January 2021 19: 16
          0
          I looked, moreover, I knew them before, so I will repeat my question, what does Altai have of the capabilities that the old T-72 does not have?
          You said that Altai is a type of serious tank with serious capabilities and so on, so I ask you to answer my question, you should know on the basis of what your opinion is, so I think it will be easy to answer my question for you.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 41
        0
        Shaft ... cannon, armor, control system, optics, communications ... ... will shoot right through with modern BOPS
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 14 January 2021 17: 27
          0
          that is, the T-72 has no armor, a gun and an FCS, optics and communications?
          new optics and control systems can be installed on the T-55, let's write about the ultra-modern T-55 tank.
          By the way, the Turks put a 60mm gun on the M-120.
          hmm ... now the M-60 has become an ultra-modern tank.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 14 January 2021 18: 12
            0
            Yes .... but take the most modernized T72 and compare. All the information that a modern tank will fire from a greater distance and penetrate
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 14 January 2021 18: 37
              0
              Once again, on the T-72 you can put ANY optics, OMS, moreover, the T-90, if that became the T-90 by order of Borukh Eltsyn, because it was originally called the T-72BU.
              that is, what is on the T-90 can be put on the T-72 because the T90 is the T-72.
              moreover, I will write again - the MOST MODERN optics, communications and control systems can be installed even on the T-34 if desired, but this will not make the T-34 a modern tank.
              and the T-90M, which is a modification of the T-72, ALREADY bypasses Altai.
              You could write easier, since Altai is a new tank model. then new optics, OMS and communications are installed on it, which no one will install on the old T-72 because it is not profitable. that would be right.
              and so the T-72 can be so modeled that Altai will not stand next to it, because Altai is a castrat of the Leopard renewed by the Koreans2.
              and in fact is still the same old tank as Leo2. that is, Altai is an old Leo2 on which new electronics were hung. and you can also attach new electronics to an old tank using the example of the T-72 and T-55.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek 14 January 2021 20: 41
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                Altai - T90M level ... if you will, the final upgrade of the T72. Only the cannon is lame 2a46, although it was planned to 2a82, which is on the Armata.
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 14 January 2021 23: 45
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                  Altai did not stand next to the T-90M, on which, by the way, 2a82, 2a46 are on the export version.
                  there is not even AZ in Altai, the same loader that was in Leo2 and Abrams.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 January 2021 16: 42
    +1
    And what about us? request Or do you offer them to sell our engine?
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 January 2021 20: 42
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      You can also sell (a finished product) ..... if we can mass-produce an X-diesel with a box. But here, too, the problem is that the ass needs to be redesigned.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 January 2021 17: 48
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    As a power plant for the Altay MBT, it is planned to use an engine called Batu, the development of which started in 2018 at the facilities of BMC (a Turkish-Qatari company that previously won an engine development contract)


    Hahahah something funny, turkey-qatar have developed tank engine laughing wassat
    1. bar
      bar 13 January 2021 18: 12
      +1
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      it is planned to use an engine called Batu

      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Hahahah, something funny, turkey-qatar have developed a tank engine

      They did the main thing - they came up with a name for the engine. The rest is just little things laughing
  • iouris
    iouris 13 January 2021 18: 37
    -2
    Why is it written Altay, and not "Altai"? Write honestly that the Turks consider Altay almost their own. Turkey is the hyena of the USSR.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 13 January 2021 18: 46
      +1
      Actually Altay is a Korean development. wink
      1. alpamys
        alpamys 14 January 2021 02: 39
        -3
        Quote: Alex777
        Actually Altay is a Korean development. wink

        with what fright? the Germans did.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 14 January 2021 05: 06
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          with what fright? the Germans did.

          Too lazy to even look at Wiki. Just write?

          History of creation and production
          The tank was named in honor of Army General Fakhrettin Altai. (1880-1974), who commanded the 5th Cavalry Corps during the Turkish War of Independence 1919-1923 [1].

          In March 2007, an agreement was signed between the Secretariat of the Defense Industry (SSM) of the Turkish Defense Ministry and the Turkish company Otokar to create the first Turkish tank Altay [9]. The contract was signed following a tender in which the German company KMW also participated.

          In turn, Otokar entered into an agreement in July 2008 with a South Korean company Hyundai Rotem on the joint development of a new tank and in the creation of a new combat vehicle, the experience gained by the Koreans when creating their own tank was widely used "K2 Black Panther"... The cost of this agreement was $ 500 million. According to the Turkish side, Altai borrowed 60% of the technologies used in K2... Nevertheless, the development took place within the framework of the "Project for the production of a modern tank using national sources" [10].

          The first sample of the tank was presented to the public on May 11, 2011 at the IDEF-2011 arms exhibition, which was held in Istanbul [8].
          1. alpamys
            alpamys 14 January 2021 05: 31
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            Quote: Alex777
            with what fright? the Germans did.

            Too lazy to even look at Wiki. Just write?

            History of creation and production
            The tank was named in honor of Army General Fakhrettin Altai. (1880-1974), who commanded the 5th Cavalry Corps during the Turkish War of Independence 1919-1923 [1].

            In March 2007, an agreement was signed between the Secretariat of the Defense Industry (SSM) of the Turkish Defense Ministry and the Turkish company Otokar to create the first Turkish tank Altay [9]. The contract was signed following a tender in which the German company KMW also participated.

            In turn, Otokar entered into an agreement in July 2008 with a South Korean company Hyundai Rotem on the joint development of a new tank and in the creation of a new combat vehicle, the experience gained by the Koreans when creating their own tank was widely used "K2 Black Panther"... The cost of this agreement was $ 500 million. According to the Turkish side, Altai borrowed 60% of the technologies used in K2... Nevertheless, the development took place within the framework of the "Project for the production of a modern tank using national sources" [10].

            The first sample of the tank was presented to the public on May 11, 2011 at the IDEF-2011 arms exhibition, which was held in Istanbul [8].

            cool .. someone reads the wiki and someone turns the nuts to read about it in the wiki.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 14 January 2021 06: 12
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              Yes, full of other sources.
              If you are not lazy. wink
              https://topcor.ru/17485-agressivnaja-politika-turcii-postavila-krest-na-tanke-altaj.html
              https://inosmi.ru/military/20201219/248784633.html
              http://bastion-karpenko.ru/altay/
              1. alpamys
                alpamys 14 January 2021 08: 25
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                Quote: Alex777
                Yes, full of other sources.
                If you are not lazy. wink
                https://topcor.ru/17485-agressivnaja-politika-turcii-postavila-krest-na-tanke-altaj.html
                https://inosmi.ru/military/20201219/248784633.html
                http://bastion-karpenko.ru/altay/

                you still do not understand .. well, okay, read on.
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 13 January 2021 19: 27
    +1
    Quote: Dodikson
    and this is what?
    and what is the Firtina so that Korean self-propelled guns, towed? Duc is also not Turkish development.

    The towed howitzer Panter caliber 155 mm / 52 is a Turkish development, it is clear that with external assistance.
    The development of a tank gun will be the same.
    Most importantly, there is technology and production experience.
  • Maxwrx
    Maxwrx 13 January 2021 19: 58
    -1
    Well, the issue with the engine, but still resolved in the medium term for Turkey, but the gun itself is also Rheinmetall and Germany is unlikely to supply. There are even fewer alternatives with a cannon. in fact, in the caliber of 120mm, new guns in this caliber are produced by Germany, all the rest are made either on its basis (even in the Abrams), or in part Germany makes and England with a rifled cannon. They will not be able to develop their own gun in the foreseeable future.
    So if you want to have your own tank, you will need to switch to 125mm
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 39
      -1
      Koreans do it themselves, Jews, Americans .... the French have their own 120mm, the Japanese. There are no problems with Korean products and the export of tanks. The Germans are putting sticks in their wheels and now Europe.
      1. Quadro
        Quadro 14 January 2021 19: 50
        +2
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Koreans do it themselves, Jews, Americans .... the French have their own 120mm, the Japanese. There are no problems with Korean products and the export of tanks. The Germans are putting sticks in their wheels and now Europe.

        Since when did the Japs have their own cannon? They have the same l44 rheinmetal, they just called it differently and slightly adjusted the fastening methods, if I'm not mistaken, everything else is the same. Do amers have their own? Amers have the same rheinmetal l44 (maybe 55 more, I don't remember).
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 14 January 2021 20: 39
          -1
          She is licensed German, like everyone else. But they do it in Japan.
          1. Quadro
            Quadro 14 January 2021 20: 56
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            Quote: Zaurbek
            She is licensed German, like everyone else. But they do it in Japan.

            So that's the essence of what is licensed. Make your own or stupidly buy someone else's are two different things.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 14 January 2021 20: 57
              -1
              The gun is not a diesel engine .... it is all made of iron and in production no one thinks about Germany's opinion.
              1. Quadro
                Quadro 14 January 2021 21: 00
                +2
                Quote: Zaurbek
                The gun is not a diesel engine .... it is all made of iron and in production no one thinks about Germany's opinion.

                Damn ridiculous. Your guns are cast-iron pipes or what? It would be so simple - everyone would be stupid to do their own without problems and would not buy licenses. And Germany has already delivered cancer with an engine and transmission, and will supply with guns.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 14 January 2021 21: 06
                  -1
                  Will not deliver. Their cannon is just standard. Japan and Korea have the same metallurgy as Germany. And they can make the whole product. China is asking us strongly in the production of a 125mm cannon? Or the British with a 105mm cannon?
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 13 January 2021 20: 57
    -1
    "Vatu". A mozhet bit stavliat dvigatel "Kodzhu" (Koba Dzhugashvili)? :)
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 13 January 2021 22: 00
    -1
    Altay (Altay) is a promising Turkish main battle tank (MBT). The first sample of the tank was presented on May 11, 2011 ........ from the moment of the 1st sample for 9 years ... and there is no heart of the tank ... the engine ....
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 13 January 2021 22: 05
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    Quote: Sailor
    Altai is a tank with serious capabilities, and I will notice it against us, but we still have an "under-modernized" T-72. T-90 (A) about 500 pcs. About the modernization of "M" only talk, but should be built and massively at least 1000 pieces. since we do not build Armata. Now the events are repeating the pre-war events of 41, and I'm afraid they will repeat themselves, but we only have no industry, they sold it, destroyed it.

    Altai it seems to exist, but in fact it is not, 4 prototypes have been released ..... T-90M has already been delivered in 2019 and in 2020 ...... this is by today. I will not specify the quantity ... but why "whine" then? Do not produce 1000 tanks a year as you want ???? There is something to do
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 13 January 2021 23: 43
    -1
    Rzhu nimagu)))) is almost ready - all that remains is the engine and transmission))) even for countries where tanks have been made for decades, it is not an easy task, sometimes it takes years. And here, tomorrow on the conveyor)))
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 January 2021 11: 36
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      As practice shows, in such products, the product itself and the MTO must be bought and licensed from different manufacturers. But for this you also need to have trained personnel. For example, MTO can be purchased from Ukraine, but it is necessary to redesign the "back" of the tank. Or something like the T-80 with a turbine.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 14 January 2021 12: 13
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        When the power plant was created for one tank, it is sometimes very bad to shove it into another, and sometimes it turns out to be complete garbage.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 14 January 2021 12: 36
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          But no one then powders the brain about supplies.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 14 January 2021 13: 23
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            So still it is necessary to establish production. The Turks did not succeed with the "rotax", they bought some part in Austria. And here the engine is many times larger, heavier and more complex.
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 14 January 2021 00: 24
    -2
    The habitual song "It doesn't hurt us!"
    (rubbing his bruised ass)
    We ourselves sing like hosanna.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 January 2021 09: 23
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    Koreans were able to Diesel, but could not drivetrain .... it remained MTU.
  • smart fellow
    smart fellow 15 January 2021 09: 36
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    South Korea's engine is in perfect order - it has been completed. The problems remain with the transmission, but maybe they have already been resolved.