Americans comment on the theft of two bronze propellers from a Russian destroyer

Military Investigation Directorate of the TFR for the Baltic the fleet finishes investigating a criminal case against the former commander of the destroyer "Restless", who stole two bronze propellers of the ship.

About this in an interview Interfax said the head of the military investigation department of the TFR for the Baltic Fleet Sergei Sharshavykh.

As it was established by the investigation, the commander of the destroyer "Restless", as part of an organized group, together with other servicemen and civilians, committed theft of two bronze propellers of the ship with a total weight of 26 tons. To conceal the fact of theft, cheaper metal ones were installed on the ship. The damage amounted to 39 million rubles.

An officer in an organized group, along with other military personnel and civilians, stole two bronze propellers with a total weight of 26 tons from the ship. The destroyer at that time was on conversion at the Yantar shipyard

- stated in the TFR.

According to the investigation, the theft took place at the Yantar shipyard in Kaliningrad, where Restless was being prepared to be turned into a museum ship. In 2018, after the repair, the destroyer was transferred to the Navy Museum in Kronstadt.

"Restless" - the 15th destroyer of project 956 "Sarych" was launched in 1990, was part of the Baltic Fleet, in 1996 was the flagship of the fleet. In 2004, during the exit, it lost its speed and was put in for repair. After that he went to sea in 2006 and 2007, after which he was put on the final stop, the engines were removed and put on the same type "Persistent". Later it was decided to turn the destroyer into a museum ship.

This news picked up by the American media, not forgetting to note that such thefts are typical for Russia. The Drive titled its publication "The Russian Navy Commander stole two 13-ton bronze propellers from his destroyer." Readers of this publication did not miss the opportunity to comment on the news.

NavyDad

An enterprising fellow. I just replaced what was no longer needed. I bet all of his neighbors in their dachas have beautiful bronze baths

ToadyX

Is there a black market for 13 ton bronze propellers? Were they melted or sold to China?

DavidLoPan

I'm a little surprised that they just didn't exchange it for a trawler and sell El Chapo (head of the Mexican criminal cartel - approx.

LostEngineer

He must be the best pirate I've ever seen

LL6

I bet the shipyard he stole them for turned it over without paying

Comments

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And the comments on the link are pretty good, in terms of humor of jokes.

And I, personally, was touched by how in the article, a civilian hat from "Interfax", interprets the position of a thief destroyer commander - in the American manner - "captain of the ship".

Ugh!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: BDRM 667

in the American manner - "the captain of the ship"

It would be worse if they wrote "kopetan of the war ship", much worse.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

It would be worse if they wrote "kopetan of the war ship", much worse.

There will be a generational change in the writing fraternity, real, one hundred percent high-quality victims of EG and "distance learning" will come, then we will see and read more and more

[tihonmarine]

Quote: BDRM 667

real, one hundred percent high-quality victims of the EG and "distance learning" will come, then we'll see and read more and more

EGeshniki will write - "ship driver".

[military_cat]

Living people don't talk the way these users talk. "I bet this guy turned out to be a tough nut to crack!" This is how the most cardboard characters of Western films speak.

[Vladimir1155]

This is exactly how Americans raised on stupid Western films speak, they have never seen Russian films

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vladimir1155

they have never seen Russian films

And their own too. Most of them watch only talk shows, and even with a laugh at the screen.

[avg]

Quote: tihonmarine

EGeshniki will write - "ship driver".

chauffeur

[Shurik70]

But still.
WHERE DID HE GO THEM?
Well, or was going to sell.
Not for scrap, after all. At points of reception of metal, for certain through one, buyers knock "where necessary". Otherwise, Russia would continue to steal cables en masse, as in the 90s. Now such cases are rare, and immediately disclosed.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Shurik70

But still.
WHERE DID HE GO THEM?
Well, or was going to sell.
Not for scrap, after all. At points of reception of metal, for certain through one, buyers knock "where necessary". Otherwise, Russia would continue to steal cables en masse, as in the 90s. Now such cases are rare, and immediately disclosed.

Among my acquaintances I have an FSB officer and a buyer who "helps him in the area." So, if it is profitable for the buyer, he will silently accept everything, resell it, and then, if anything, with a clear conscience will hand it over. Well, everyone understands that business needs to be done And the richer / the more weight the agent has in society, the more profitable it is for the FSB. That's how we live. Benefit rules.

[Zhan]

I'm afraid that hearing the word "chauffeur" will cause a stupor for the EG generation, the entire Wikipedia and Google will be raped .. That's what I call them, "the generation of googles" ..

[uralant]

Quote: tihonmarine

EGeshniki will write - "ship driver".

You will see it will be "ship driver".

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: uralant

You will see it will be "ship driver".

it is not important the driver, the chauffeur or the driver will write to someone who writes!

then for some reason they forgot about the piano in the bushes in the form of a naval officer who stole the screws from a warship.
we need to think about whether Russia still has a combat-ready army and how to eradicate this shame with thefts to an acceptable minimum.

[major147]

Quote: tihonmarine

EGeshniki will write - "ship driver".

In terms of "handdriver"?

[dauria]

real, one hundred percent high-quality victims of the EG and "distance learning" will come

Well, don't worry so much. By that time, smartphones will grow wiser, correct their owners, if that. Imagine the scene - a guy and a girl meet, put smartphones on the table. And they have small talk among themselves, they like each other .... And the guy can only wait for the result - there will be a bed, or a bummer.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: dauria

And the guy only has to wait for the result - there will be a bed, or a bummer.

Smartphone bed, but guy bummer

[bondrostov]

You made my day !!

[Dikson]

In fact, more interesting things have already been done - on two devices lying next to each other, they turned on "Alice" .. and two pseudo-AIs quite lively begin to talk to each other, not needing a person ..)) Even with eight smartphones they tried similar things ... Here's a self-learning program for you ...))

[dedusik]

Quote: BDRM 667

There will be a generational change in the writing fraternity, real, one hundred percent high-quality victims of EG and "distance learning" will come, then we will see and read more and more

Yes, we are already reading it now

... committed theft of two bronze ship propellers with a total mass of 26 tons. To conceal the fact of theft, cheaper metal.

Doesn't the alloy "bronze" refer to metals? So they put it, steel, and maybe silumin - these are also metals, albeit alloys.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: BDRM 667

then we'll see and read more and more

And what is written for the eyes is enough! For example:

(Restless) went to sea in 2006 and 2007, after which he was put on the final dock, the engines were removed and put on the same type "Persistent".

This is said about ... KTU.
The author does not even imagine WHAT the BOILER-TURBINE installation (!) Is, if he thinks that it could be "put" on the Persistent!

[Victorio]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Quote: BDRM 667

in the American manner - "the captain of the ship"

It would be worse if they wrote "kopetan war ship", much worse.

===
and this is already on the way, and the tone is set by journalists and TV people

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Victorio

and this is already on the way, and the tone is set by journalists and TV people

For a long time they came: "Between Moscow and Ankora. Ankora, but also Ankora"! (sites Actual politics, Russian politics, etc.) "He believes that у Russia, although it cooperates with Turkey ...... "" All vines are led by human resources " (ibid)

[YOUR]

Much worse. The ship practically did not serve, what is it for a ship for 14 years, one might say a kid. Used as a donor. Filmed, put on other ships. What a nightmare we have going on.

[zenion]

These are not secret blocks from a secret plane after all. Perhaps he decided to order not a boat, but a submarine.

[Avior]

Perhaps these are the features of reverse translation from English, it is difficult to understand from the article. They have captains, not commanders.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

They have captains, not commanders.

Simply - "master of the ship".

[Gato]

master of the ship

As far as I know they have an official position as Commanding Officer (CO)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

As far as I know they have an official position as Commanding Officer (CO)

In all fleets, both on ships and on ships, as is the custom from HMS, the captain is always a "master".

[Gato]

the captain is always "master"

Yes, but that's slang

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

Yes, but that's slang

This is not slang, in the diploma of the captain of the English merchant marine it is written directly (until 2000) "Master of the ship" or "Extra master of the ship".

[Gato]

merchant marine

Exactly. I spoke with people who served at USN. For military sailors, this is slang, used in relation to the commander behind the eyes in inter-gatherings in an ironic-dismissive sense. Well, it's like for our ship (they have a ship) to call a vessel (vessel).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

For military sailors, this is slang, used in relation to the commander behind the eyes in inter-gatherings in an ironic-dismissive sense.

The standard of the fleet for the whole world was and remains the English fleet, both military and commercial. They are Yankees themselves, they have recently become a state, so everything is forgiven them.

[vfwfr]

Sea:
Captain of the ship - Civil
Commander - Military
Air: aka PIC (Aircraft Commander).
Air over the hill: I suppose for the Military the same as for us, but in the civil linear (passenger transport) fleet Most often, not the Commander, but the Captain of the Armed Forces ...

[Civil]

Quote: vfwfr

Sea:
Captain of the ship - Civil
Commander - Military
Air: aka PIC (Aircraft Commander).
Air over the hill: I suppose for the Military the same as for us, but in the civil linear (passenger transport) fleet Most often, not the Commander, but the Captain of the Armed Forces ...

Almost immediately, I ... do not agree, I want to be a commander.

[Doliva63]

Quote: vfwfr

Sea:
Captain of the ship - Civil
Commander - Military
Air: aka PIC (Aircraft Commander).
Air over the hill: I suppose for the Military the same as for us, but in the civil linear (passenger transport) fleet Most often, not the Commander, but the Captain of the Armed Forces ...

PIC - this is only for "jackets", for the military on the polynomial, all the same Crew Commander.

[zenion]

It is impossible to please the Americans. These are not wood screws, or plaques, they are not even made of sheet steel, they are real bronze, and the Americans are not happy. In a couple of thousand years, someone will dig up these screws and go all over the planet, if someone remains, that this is a table that is a food dispenser made of pure gold, that's how the ancestors lived richly in this territory. Apparently they made a mistake somewhere by a millimeter and buried it so that the marriage would not be an eyesore.

[Gato]

Ugh!

Many of us have served in the army and represent the realities of the army. In the states, civilians are far from it all

[NDR-791]

Many of us have served in the army and represent the realities of the army. In the states, civilians are far from it all
So they would write about the loss of documents from Congress. They still do not know for what currency the legs were attached to the screws. Shilo rules !!! This is not some lousy dollar for you !!!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

Many of us have served in the army and represent the realities of the army. In the states, civilians are far from it all

That's right, the states have their own, and under the USSR, on the ships of the Navy, everyone turned to the commander by rank, only the senior officer and the commander of the BCh-5 had the right to call - "Commander".

[Gato]

Amendment: everyone had the right to call "Comrade Commander", and the appeal by rank (and completely, without swallowing) is a punishment for the invaders. At least I observed such a tradition at the Black Sea Fleet in the late 80s. As a civilian specialist, I was surprised why the sailors refer to the commander simply "dragging the commander", and some officers - "Comrade captain of the second rank, let me ... blablabla." Then they explained.

[Alexander Marat]

Not by rank, but "comrade commander". To the SEC - by rank, and outside the working environment - by name and patronymic, but if you are not a "green" lieutenant.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexander Marat

Not by rank, but "comrade commander".

The reference "comrade commander" with variations on comrade "rank" was replaced
By order of the NCO No. 260 of December 21, 1937.

[pmkemcity]

Quote: BDRM 667

And I, personally, was touched by how in the article, a civilian hat from "Interfax" interprets the position of a thief destroyer commander - in the American manner - "ship captain".

Ugh!

The "ship commander" will not sell guilt, he will only drink!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: pmkemcity

The "ship commander" will not sell guilt, he will only drink!

As one of the old admirals said
If they no longer say about a famous actress that she is b ..., then she is losing popularity. If the subordinates, in conversation with each other, at least sometimes do not call the commander of the ship an asshole, then it is time to remove him from his post.

[Anatoly 288]

Because of such freaks, we have everything through one place. Army, government, police ... it's time to hang such freaks

[Shuttle]

Quote: Anatoly 288

Because of such freaks, we have everything through one place. Army, government, police ... it's time to hang such freaks

Which ones?

[avg]

And I, personally, was touched by how in the article, a civilian hat from "Interfax" interprets the position of a thief destroyer commander - in the American manner - "ship captain".

- Where were you today, pussy? - At the Queen's at the English. - What did you see at court ?! - I saw a mouse on the carpet!
He is not the captain of the ship, he is the chieftain of the ship!
Actually, I thought that the times of MMM: "Captain of a submarine, Hero of the Soviet Union" have sunk into oblivion.

[Yuri V.A]

In any case, it is amusing that the Americans continue to react to the noise of the propellers of the Soviet destroyer, see at the level of reflexes.
I wonder what scale this revision had, otherwise it turns out that half of the ship is already sham.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: BDRM 667

captain

On YouTube, as soon as ten years ago, a most amusing video with the captain of the 2nd rank Galkin from the destroyer "Restless" is lying around.

[Bashkirkhan]

From Ila, which "doomsday plane" carried secret radio equipment, from the destroyer propellers ... According to "Restless" the commander-officer got the honor in full.

[Avior]

If it’s secondary, it’s kind of not obliged to mean that it’s unclassified. But even if unclassified, it would be a grandiose flight during my service.

[pmkemcity]

Quote: Avior

If it’s secondary, it’s kind of not obliged to mean that it’s unclassified. But even if unclassified, it would be a grandiose flight during my service.

On the "Beard", on our expedition to India, in Ernakulam, the sailors drove away almost through the whole steamer a bronze bearing, as they said "the main shaft", and handed it over to the Hindu hucksters. And nothing ... They say thunder at night was heard even on the bridge. We had a cockpit in the nose and it was quiet.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Avior

If it’s secondary, it’s kind of not obliged to mean that it’s unclassified. But even if unclassified, it would be a grandiose flight during my service.

At the end of the USSR, in our unit it was still not so happening. For example, the ensign from the remrota removed the engines from the BMPs that were being scrapped, capitalized them at government expense and sold them. Deputy on armaments, every day he sent a platoon of soldiers to the surrounding factories to work for his personal benefit. About the construction of summer cottages and the discharge of fuel - generally keep quiet.

[Avior]

I saw the situation at the end of the USSR. The soldiers, of course, were sent to work, I myself got to this, and personal cars could be repaired in the PTO unit, but one cannot say that there was a mass phenomenon.
But if the electronics disappeared from the ZAS hardware, no matter what it was, the whole part would be on our ears for a week, or even more.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Avior

I saw the situation at the end of the USSR. The soldiers, of course, were sent to work, I myself got to this, and personal cars could be repaired in the PTO unit, but one cannot say that there was a mass phenomenon.
But if the electronics disappeared from the ZAS hardware, no matter what it was, the whole part would be on our ears for a week, or even more.

I agree, there are jambs of different levels. But, in our unit then all this was put "on stream". How do you like that, for example. Somehow they sent our l / s to unload the German humanitarian aid. Several enterprising fighters took in the share of the captain, who controlled what was happening (and he was, among other things, the Komsomol organizer of the division), and poked boxes with humanitarian aid directly to him in the UAZ. And the most cunning (the clerk of the division) bought Soviet awards from collectors in advance and sold them dearly to the Germans. The special officer of the regiment found out about this and ... Withdrew half of the money from him in his favor.
About times, about morals.

[Avior]

Well, on trifles to steal something not personal, it was never really considered a big sin, it was considered a sin if you got caught.
Prunes, stewed meat, condensed flask to fill (and then there is nothing to wash it down :)), but they never pulled from military equipment, it never came to that.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Avior

Well, on trifles to steal something not personal, it was never really considered a big sin, it was considered a sin if you got caught.
Prunes, stewed meat, condensed flask to fill (and then there is nothing to wash it down :)), but they never pulled from military equipment, it never came to that.

In the 82nd on November 7, instead of a security company, regiments were put on guard at the airfield, the fighter boldly drained the spirit almost from his plane - to warm up, like. Verifier. Tribunal. They gave me 8 years. You will not roam

[your1970]

At the sunset of the USSR, an ensign by the last name Popandopulo (!!!) took from the communications battalion 4 UAZs and two Shishigs - for sending them for repairs. There the radio stations had to be changed and the cars themselves repaired ... The outfits and documents were in order, the transportation documents were perfect ...
Here the collapse of the Union, the ensign shrugged his shoulders - "a plant in Ukraine !! Waiting for !!" ...
In 1995 he quit ...
In 1998, during the liquidation of a part, it turns out that there is no such plant in Ukraine at all and has never existed ...
They took the financially responsible person out of the loop, then somehow wrote off ... 6 special vehicles with radio stations - bye-bye

Last name the beginning of the warehouse - all this turned around (at that time there was no beginning of the PBX service) - absolutely real .....

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: your1970

At the end of the USSR, a warrant officer by the name of Popandopulo (!!!!!!!) received 4 UAZs and two Shishigis from the communications battalion for repairs.

Most likely, this figure (s), after the collapse of the USSR, got in a hurry, and the documents were issued retroactively. Yes, and praise raises questions. Was he even, this ensign? With such a pedigree, a kilometer closer to the warehouse cannot be allowed.

[your1970]

No, you haven't guessed ...
I changed him to the post of the beginning of the warehouse in 1995. It is nonsense to issue shipping documents retroactively, the railway would stupidly demanded documents for military cargo + security ...
Have worked only on a foreign territory, the warehouse handed over to zero, everything came together to a screw. We even counted the fight of radio lamps (without DGMovskie) ...
I drove the P-207 vole to someone 30 km, squeezed two kunga into the flyers beautifully, wrote off the fuel for the engine heater,
But that from the warehouse, no, no ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: your1970

He worked exclusively on someone else's territory - he handed over the warehouse to zero, everything came together to a screw.

Ash peppers that came together. He rested all the negligence at home, you yourself know how much excess there is.

Quote: your1970

But that from the warehouse, no, no ...

The main thing is to get it together ...

[your1970]

Quote: Mordvin 3

He rested all the negligence at home, you yourself know how much excess there is.

- specific warehouse ... in the days of the USSR, no one needed it for nothing, and after the accounting was quite tough, it would be problematic to tyrat

Quote: Avior

It turns out, he knew or guessed about the collapse of the USSR? Otherwise, he was not just taking risks, but guaranteed to go under the article.

- sometimes it seems to me that - yes, I had a presentiment ...

[Avior]

It turns out, he knew or guessed about the collapse of the USSR? Otherwise, he was not just taking risks, but guaranteed to go under the article.

[Revolver]

Quote: your1970

ensign named Popandopulo

It was not in vain that they said, "The general serves as long as the legs are worn, and the ensign - as long as the hands are."

Quote: your1970

In 1995 he resigns

There was nothing to wear.

[your1970]

1) From a warehouse - no, no
2) retired

[NDR-791]

At the expense of STEALING !!! It's not even funny. They found a switchman, it's just easier to reach him, a naval officer is always guilty by the very fact of his existence! He waved a piece of paper without looking while they were in the factory or out of their stupidity. But rather "for a small share." It's all the same to you, but the executor is pleased.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NDR-791

At the expense of STEALING !!! It's not even funny.

That's right, at the factory, but in plain sight, and even when the screws are removed at the dock. The circus !
Everything was agreed in advance, and why the museum needs the original screw. Let it stand metal (such screws are used when swimming in ice).

[NDR-791]

and why does the museum need an original screw.
If only the museum! The screws are needed for ... who needs them. He understands ... why they passed by.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NDR-791

The screws are needed for ... who needs them. He understands ... why they passed by.

Whoever needs it, they took it off. But someone did not get it, so they raised a screech. But the commander has nothing to do with it.

[Gato]

But the commander has nothing to do with it

The commander is always moreover and most often remains the most extreme, the most hemorrhoid position. But I doubt that he had two screws lying around in his garage, with which he decided to replace the bronze ones, they also first had to be stolen somewhere, negotiate with the workers, etc., etc. The management of the plant should be shaken and the special officer should be held by the tie

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gato

The commander is always moreover and most often remains the most extreme, the most hemorrhoid position.

The commander answers - but! Nothing just happens. If it is simpler, the ship is docked, and all work is coordinated with the owner of the ship, a dock sheet is drawn up with a calculation. Immediately the question is why remove the screws ??? This is one of the largest amounts of payment for pre-repair, and therefore this amount is agreed by the owners. When the screws are removed, they are taken to the workshop, and the SRZ is responsible for them.
And e time the question "Why should the museum repair the propeller-rudder group ??" Change sideboards, do centering, etc. A ship without engines, a permanent joke museum at the wall.
Everything is agreed by the owner of the museum

[minus]

Do you want to say that the noise was raised by those who wanted to clean it up themselves?))))

[Boa kaa]

Quote: tihonmarine

That's right, at the factory, but in plain sight, and even when the screws are removed at the dock.

Filmed at the dock, 13t - you need a crane, at least! Then you need to transport it to the right place ... Bronze is bushings, other valuable NON-MAGNETIC parts. And if the screw itself - then on another order. The plant's savings are a million! And Cap, most likely, was told not to get excited and was silent in a rag. The destroyer won't go to sea anymore, so go for it. Only BUGOR could say that. But someone leaked the situation. Apparently they did not share with him ... or decided to avenge old grievances ...
And now they make the warrior extreme. And I suppose they threatened: if you split up, the family will suffer. Or do we know few such cases? It's another matter, you need to find out what benefit the "extreme" still had.
IMHO.

[antivirus]

all were stolen by DPRK intelligence, personally at the command of Kim. with an alliance with our SVR (naval ones were framed) - the confrontation in the Pacific Ocean requires risky business. because the Americans are outraged. but nothing can be fixed - the US fleet is under attack. Kim announced at the Labor Party congress about the creation of the nuclear submarine and did not publish the second part of the news - 3 destroyers were built (from what they could gather around the world)
you can already crumple ........

[Naz]

Everybody steals.

[donavi49]

Well, the restless demon has long been - the deceased without a chance of recovery. Therefore, why would people think to be lost, you cannot earn gratitude for your service, no one will thank you. Moreover, there is no harm to the combat readiness of the fleet, for the destroyer has been dead seriously and for a long time. Even from a tug pier, he will not be able to bang, because he was a donor for the Persistent.

[Cowbra]

But this does not justify theft. I won’t believe it. that this officer is the last ... He ate the cucumber without salt. Well, now he will taste that "greed gives rise to poverty"

[Olgovich]

Quote: donavi49

people thought

Nonhumans

Quote: donavi49

you won't earn yourself

stealing is not a job

Quote: donavi49

no one will thank.

why? Five years will give

[paul3390]

stealing is not a job

Yes? And for example to rob several million pensioners at once? Moreover - such as for duty and for the sovereign's benefit ..

[Polite Moose]

Quote: donavi49

Why would people think to waste, you cannot earn gratitude for your service, no one will thank you. Moreover, there is no harm to the combat readiness of the fleet, for the destroyer is dead seriously and for a long time

Exactly. Everything, as in the song:
If the device breaks,
I will become a pirate and I will be glad.
I’ll drink the battleship without hesitation,
But I won't disgrace the fleet.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: donavi49

Moreover, there is no harm to the combat readiness of the fleet, for the destroyer has been dead seriously and for a long time.

And most likely, since the destroyer "museum", then it is no longer part of the Navy.
And what shtatovtsy and others write, they steal even more, because they have something to steal.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Naz

Everybody steals.

It's like: "Everyone ran, and I ran ..."

[Baloo]

Quote: Naz

Everybody steals.

There is no need to generalize. I don’t steal or envy, although it’s difficult. A strange notion of the captain's honor, or maybe he was still framed?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Balu

I don’t steal or envy, although it’s difficult.

I also do not steal, but if there was an opportunity I would steal.

[Baloo]

Quote: tihonmarine

I also do not steal, but if there was an opportunity I would steal.

And as a fatherless person, I used to rely on myself from childhood, not expecting anything from anyone or asking for anything. I earned the first three rubles when I was 8 years old. I unloaded the truck, my kind uncle gave me three rubles for it. I was happy. He proudly gave his grandmother three rubles, asked for 20 kopecks for ice cream, and treated his friend Misha. It was a long time ago, the second year of Brezhnev's rule, when the stores still had fermented baked milk, chocolate butter and cakes, sea pebbles ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Balu

And as a fatherless person, I used to rely on myself from childhood, not expecting anything from anyone or asking for anything. I earned the first three rubles when I was 8 years old.

I also worked on the collective farm from the age of 8, hay, livestock, potatoes, flax - all with my hands, and there was nothing to steal on our collective farm, and if someone stole a bucket of potatoes or ichita - from 3 to 5 years in prison.

[your1970]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Balu

I don’t steal or envy, although it’s difficult.

I don't steal either, but if there was an opportunity would steal.

Well, it's okay ... And all the oligarchs think the same way, yeah ...
And then we are surprised - why is it so sad in the country ?????? why be surprised - if a lot of people MORALLY ready to steal ... And not out of hunger ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: your1970

And then we are surprised - why is it so sad in the country ?????? why surprise - if a bunch of people are MORALLY ready to steal.

I understand the participants minus me. Everyone is honest, and I said what I thought. But the most interesting thing, if they were at the trough, the "unclean beguiled" would have them too.
And many people think, "I would also bite off a piece of delicious pie," but they are afraid to confess.
But we are all far from the trough, and we will rely on the little blackie at our own expense.

[your1970]

Quote: tihonmarine

I said what I thought. But the most interesting thing, if they were at the trough, the "unclean beguiled" and them.
And many people think, "I would also bite off a piece of delicious pie," but they are afraid to confess.

Ensign (head of the warehouse) - customs officer (customs post - checkpoint) - now the "damned bureaucrat" (supervision on the territory equal to Belgium ) ... Opportunities in bulk - take it, I don't want ...
Never took anyone else's or nobody'sEtc.
I will not give up, maybe it’s not hot, but for the presence of an iPhone, I definitely will not ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: your1970

I will not give up, maybe it’s not hot, but for the presence of an iPhone, I definitely will not ...

No, well, for an iPhone, it’s not to respect yourself, according to the saying "Steal a million so, and as a mistress, then a queen." Although we still do not know much about ourselves.
As well as about myself, because I had such a job where it was impossible to steal, and very highly paid, but if they were appointed to lead Gazprom, or to broadcast the program "Living is Healthy", then I would probably be tempted to build my own Millerhof.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Naz

Everybody steals.

Let me ask you, what exactly are you stealing?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Naz

Everybody steals.

Moreover, since ancient times.

The consolation, however, is that this vice is not our monopoly and all humanity is subject to it.

[andrew42]

Earlier in Russia (back in the 18th century), the word "thief" was synonymous with the set <robber / robber + murderer (optional)> because "and murderer" was often added for clarification. The words "tat" and "tatba" were still alive. Interestingly, under Saltykov-Shchedrin, the semantics have already turned upside down, or did the writer mean by "stealing" the old version? ..

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: andrew42

Interestingly, under Saltykov-Shchedrin, the semantics have already turned upside down, or did the writer mean by "stealing" the old version? ..

I do not know that, because of my physical inconsistency of being at the time of the life of the classic, but I believe that there was a version close to our perception of this meaning as a "thief" and "embezzler"

[Narak-zempo]

Americans comment on the theft of two bronze propellers from a Russian destroyer

This is arrogance! They didn't just steal the screws, but now they bark something, "comment".

[Woodman]

Americans comment

Yesterday psychologists also commented on something. Who's next? Housewives?

[Egoza]

Pfe! Some two "screws"! Well at least I left the toilets in place!

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

The "cogs" at least will not be visible to sightseers, but the bronze cast topping of the "Ploschad Vosstaniya" metro station in St. Petersburg was replaced by some kind of, possibly wooden, stump during the repair.
The very center of the tourist mecca - the northern capital. And where is it? Is someone looking for?

[pmkemcity]

Quote: Egoza

Pfe! Some two "screws"! Well at least I left the toilets in place!

It's a museum! As the classic said - and the screws are not real! Now look for originals in Sotheby's catalogs!

[Poetry]

"They steal ...", as the classic said.

[prior]

The words power and steal have become synonymous in our time.
Well, why, if you take any of our bureaucrats by the butt, everyone has their own "bronze screw"?
Putin and his camarilla from a country with a heroic past have created a country with a shameful present and a frightening future.

[Ka-52]

from a country with a heroic past

in the heroic past they also stole. in 1948. theft in the USSR recorded more than 350 thousand. cases. And in 1985. was almost 650 thousand. thefts. Since then +/- at this level and dangling

[nemez]

It is precisely that after Stalin's death theft began to grow.

[Ka-52]

It is precisely that after Stalin's death theft began to grow.

yes, I think the repressive apparatus did its job - the majority of real and potential thieves were engaged in a more useful business - the Belomorkanal was building

[x.andvlad]

To conceal the fact of theft, cheaper metal ones were installed on the ship.
Someone "especially vigilant" invested, or someone with whom they did not share?
I think the second.

[Ural resident]

Quote: x.andvlad

To conceal the fact of theft, cheaper metal ones were installed on the ship.
Someone "especially vigilant" invested, or someone with whom they did not share?
I think the second.

Yes, it's interesting, because they still need to be made, such things do not lie behind the fence.

[x.andvlad]

That's it. A whole "brigade" was to take part in this manipulation. And someone in this brigade turned out to be a "weak link", most likely deprived.
In general, the case, of course, seems wild.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: prior

Putin and his camarilla from a country with a heroic past have created a country with a shameful present and a frightening future.

It's just that only the heroic is remembered from the past. And shameful things are quickly supplanted.
If you dig into the USSR, then everything was wrong with the theft. The case of Leningrad trade, the case of judges, fishing business, cotton business, Krasnodar business, etc. In Transcaucasia and Central Asia, after new clans came to power, it was not even possible to fabricate cases for old clans - there were enough real episodes.
Moreover, it was possible to get under the distribution in this system only if you put the wrong one in the fight of bulldogs under the carpet in Moscow. And the threads leading from the republics and territories to Moscow were stripped in which case with special zeal.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: prior

Words power and steal

Yeah, the authorities personally removed the screws and pushed them to the left. However, a funny contingent comes across.

[andrew42]

The first two words are still molded to their hearts' content.

[your1970]

Quote: prior

Well, why, if you take any of our bureaucrats by the butt, everyone has their own "bronze screw"?
Putin and his camarilla from a country with a heroic past have created a country with a shameful present and a frightening future.

This is apparently Putin personally here it is created .... Aha ...

Quote: tihonmarine

but if there was an opportunity would steal.

and not shashteen years, after all, to blame Putin for not keeping track of his upbringing. And not a bureaucrat ...

[Narak-zempo]

Well, if you think about it, what difference does it make to a museum ship whether there are real propellers or a model?
Why would 26 tons of bronze stand idle for nothing?

[Bongo]

Quote: Narak-zempo

Well, if you think about it, what difference does it make to a museum ship whether there are real propellers or a model?
Why would 26 tons of bronze stand idle for nothing?

In fact, the stolen propellers could be used on the destroyers of the same type that remained in service.

[Guru]

In fact, the stolen propellers could be used on the destroyers of the same type that remained in service.

Do you think this is a consumable?

[Bongo]

Quote: Guru

In fact, the stolen propellers could be used on the destroyers of the same type that remained in service.

Do you think this is a consumable?

Why did you decide this?
During the operation of warships, there is always a risk of damage to the propellers. In any case, using propellers from decommissioned ships is cheaper than ordering new ones.

[donavi49]

2 destroyers of this project remained in service. There are 7 corpses waiting to be cut and probably some more spare parts, and perhaps even the screws from the 6 destroyed destroyers of this project have already remained.

[prior]

Yes, really, what's the difference - looting of state property or prudent use ?!

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: prior

looting of state property or prudent use ?!

Looting means leaving expensive bronze details to corrode in the "museum" (how we keep the exhibits - it's not for me to tell you). It is much more prudent to give away non-ferrous metals for melting.

[prior]

So, after all, he did not leave to corrode, but used it prudently - in his own pocket, and this is looting.

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: prior

So, after all, he did not leave to corrode, but used it prudently - in his own pocket, and this is looting.

The man returned 26 tons of bronze to the economy. Yes, I got some dough from this, but obviously less than the cost of smelting from scratch.
They were interested in the state only as a detail on a museum exhibit (which is not visible, moreover). Those. they would not participate in production or added value in any way. In fact, the state signed that they are NOT NECESSARY!
But now they are shouting about "damage".

[Runoway]

And now the news from the heading of the welfare of the population of the Russian Federation, about the growth of wages.
And also in what ways can you live with your family for ~ $ 300 per month in our African colony

The Military Investigation Directorate of the Investigative Committee for the Baltic Fleet is completing a criminal investigation against the former commander of the destroyer "Restless", who stole two bronze propellers of the ship.

Plus, we also remember the recently stolen Doomsday plane straight back in the 90s
In general, if you try to see the positive in everything, then we urgently need a market for the sale of cameras so that private video cameras can be stolen, otherwise there are a lot of them, and there is no harm.

[AML]

Quote: Runoway

And also in what ways can you live with your family for ~ $ 300 per month in our African colony

And also in what ways can you live with your family for ~ 1000 Euro per month in the EC. Is the EU also a colony or something else?

[Runoway]

Did you mean the benefit that migrants in the EU are so eager for?

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: Runoway

in our African colony

Do you live in / in Ukraine?

[Runoway]

No, I indicated the average salary in the Russian Federation, without mentioning how they live beyond the Urals in barracks and most other regions below the poverty line

[Prisoner]

Fleet officer, EPRST! Soon the average man will laugh at the phrase "officer's honor". Although why will it be? Already neighing.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: Captive

Fleet officer, EPRST! Soon the average man will laugh at the phrase "officer's honor". Although why will it be? Already neighing.

So much effort to raise the reputation of the army, the Armed Forces and the Navy, trampled in the dirt in the 90s, and all for a smar, a dog under its hind legs?


Either "Taburetkin", now "destroyer captain" ...

[Prisoner]

As usual. The black sheep will rot the whole flock.

[Guru]

Already laughs.

Why laugh then the vessel went on pins and needles, that is, into scrap metal.

[Prisoner]

Well yes. "Vessels" in scrap metal, and honor under the heel so what?

[bad]

This news was picked up by the American media, not forgetting to note that such thefts are typical for Russia

It would be better if it was typical for America

[Prisoner]

They poke big.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: malo

It would be better if it was typical for America

So that it becomes, country, Russia need to change... And from the "head" until it completely rotted ...

[Serpet]

Quote: BDRM 667

To make it so, the country, Russia needs to be changed. And from the "head" until it completely rotted away.

Yes ... "Acceptances" came to us just together with "Western values" during those "heads"

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: BDRM 667

until it completely rotted away ...

Let it rot away.
Then the strong people's "hind mind" will take control, that is, oops, and everything will be fine.

[Guru]

An officer in an organized group, along with other military personnel and civilians, stole two bronze propellers with a total weight of 26 tons from the ship. The destroyer at that time was on conversion at the Yantar shipyard

Really some kind of crap, well, firstly "The destroyer was being converted at the time." - that is, for parsing, secondly - "propellers with a total mass of 26 tons" Well, not in your pocket, he took them away, but just waved a piece of paper - apparently without thinking. This is just a bloated story -Really sucked from the thumb.

[your1970]

Quote: Guru

This is just a bloated story - Really sucked from the thumb.

A group of people will sit on this bloated story - from 5 to 7 years

[Andrey sh]

But not those who gave the order ...

[your1970]

Quote: Andrey sh

Just not those who gave the orderEtc.

-Order about what? to steal? so it's not an order ...
Well, if he went on about it, then his fault is also ...

[Snail N9]

"The dude was walking towards success, he didn't get it wrong ..."

[tralflot1832]

Someone from the higher, put an eye on these screws, hence the noise. In the 90s, two engines were sold at the Northern Fleet. They sold two engines at the Northern Fleet. They only found out when a retired warrant officer in St. Petersburg threw down the admiral. funny term, but not conditional of course!

[cheburator]

The family has its black sheep, as in any country.

[Roman070280]

Firstly, I'm sure this is far from the only thing that was stolen ..

And the destroyer itself ?? Launched in 1990 .. in 2004 during the launch it lost its speed and was put in for repair. After that it went out to sea in 2006 and 2007, in 2018 after renovation it was transferred to the museum.
And why is this not a plunder? How much was invested in this ship during construction ?? And how much of it was the return ?? Yes, there was even more stolen during some repairs .. and more than once ..
If, I apologize for the expression, an unfortunate cranny screw - 40 million rubles ... where is it to dial in retirement ...

Shl .. this is analogous to the fact that Rogozin tomorrow will ask for money not to repair and modernize the Federation .. And in another 10 years he will hand it over to the museum ..
Although, maybe it will turn out that way ..

[Igoresha]

Well, what, in his place everyone (c) would have done so and the metal is stolen and handed over in America too. seen in one series

[Rzzz]

Didn't the figure of 26 tons bother anyone? 13 tons each screw. Is it made of depleted uranium in an adit?
The propeller of such a ship will weigh a ton and a half. But the hobbyists turned up ten times in order to raise more hype.

[BDRM 667]

Quote: rzzz

Didn't the figure of 26 tons bother anyone? 13 tons each screw. Is it made of depleted uranium in an adit?
The propeller of such a ship will weigh a ton and a half. But the hobbyists turned up ten times in order to raise more hype.

Your screws for a destroyer, not foam?
Aren't you yourself embarrassed by the "ton and a half" figure?


The sign says: "The propeller of the Voroshilov cruiser. Diameter - 4,46 m.Weight - 14 408 kg."

[Rzzz]

Well, find a picture of a propeller from an aircraft carrier, or from some supertanker.

I did not find the design data for "Sarych", but the propeller there is clearly smaller and much lighter.

[Avior]

And these are not journalists. 26 tons - this is according to the representative of the TFR. Perhaps there was also bronze.
Just 39 million

According to Sergei Sharshavykh, the captain and other persons involved in the criminal case even found similar metal screws, the cost and quality of which are several times lower, instead of bronze ones. As a result, the state suffered damage in the amount of 39 million rubles. The theft took place while the destroyer was being converted in Kaliningrad at the Yantar shipyard, the Interfax news agency notes.

[mag nit]

Why would a decommissioned destroyer without engines need propellers?

[Avior]

what the Americans would say if they knew about this story.

MURMANSK REGION. Two servicemen received large sentences for embezzlement of radio components from the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. They stole 393 radioelements worth more than 1,4 million rubles.

Last spring, foreman Arslan Akhmaisov and sailor Philip Filin entered the ship’s pantry, took out radio components from there and hid them in another aircraft carrier building. Then the military organized an underground workshop at Kuznetsovo, where they extracted elements with precious metals from the radio parts with wire cutters. Men sold “enriched” products in Murmansk for 1,2 million rubles.

https://www.mvestnik.ru/newslent/voennye-ukrali-s-admirala-kuznecova-radiodetali-na-poltora-milliona/
It's not from the ship-museum to replace the details ...

[tralflot1832]

Well, as usual, the FSB was sold, the emerald mafia of the FSB did not sell emeralds in our country for a long time. The FSB is working well for us.

[Alexey RA]

An officer in an organized group, along with other military personnel and civilians, stole two bronze propellers with a total weight of 26 tons from the ship. The destroyer at that time was on conversion at the Yantar shipyard

Some "Stroke-stroke - Odessa Kaliningrad steamer"it turns out ...

There was a wild roar at night. They said that one diesel engine came off the foundation, but it does not bother them and someone stole a propeller from us in the parking lot. Therefore, we are drifting, but they said that they themselves had stolen the propeller from the cruiser, but it was very large, and we were drifting again. But these are all small things.

© Zhvanetsky

[Olddetractor]

Americans comment on the theft of two bronze propellers from a Russian destroyer

Commentators should not get carried away, the native American Navy will be worse. What is the title of the article on VO "Theft is a sure sign of the presence of the US Navy" https://topwar.ru/34410-vorovstvo-vernyy-priznak-prisutstviya-vms-ssha.html.
Or has the state of affairs changed since 2013? Or was the Pentagon finally able to pass the audit?

[north 2]

just don't need to cut all the officers here, they say. that upon hearing the phrase "Honor of a naval officer" people are now laughing. It is not true . There were always such officers, like a small branch of a powerful cedar eaten by a caterpillar. But the cedar has been standing like that for centuries, and the spoiled branch will fall off and rot ... Probably there have always been such spoiled ones. From the times of Peter the Great to the present day. But from serving in the navy, I recall not a single Lieutenant-Commander Zdanovich, who, during an alarm, stole sailor money collected for toothpaste and "Asidol" from the cockpit. the dignity of a naval officer. Perhaps the ship's commander was simply deceived by civilians at the factory. After all, those steel screws instead of bronze ones were not taken out of the destroyer's hold. They were delivered from the warehouses of the plant. And the acceptance was done by the commander of the BCH-5 and the commander of the DD. In any case, this is a shameful case. And what the Americans are commenting on this case in the Russian Navy is because they do not have the opportunity to comment on such cases in the US Navy. There, no one advertises shameful cases in either the army or the navy. And in Russia, glasnost, as Misha Mechenny pointed out ...

[tolancop]

Some kind of dregs ...
"... As it was established by the investigation, the captain of the destroyer" Restless ", as part of an organized group, together with other servicemen and civilians, stole two bronze screws of the ship with a total mass of 26 tons. To conceal the fact of theft, cheaper metal . The damage amounted to 39 million rubles ... "
1. As stated: Our warships are commanded by COMMANDERS, not captains. However, the people have already written about this. Further ... about replacing bronze screws with cheaper metal ones .... Extravaganza !!! The author of this opus apparently does not suspect that bronze is also metal. Exactly "the victim of the exam".
2. In essence: But here everything is much dimmer and more incomprehensible. Apparently, the case was tried as part of an organized criminal group and the criminal was also a criminal group. But then why is only the ship commander mentioned? Where are the rest? Who planned the work, ordered and paid for the replacement, etc. etc.? You can't pull the screw out of your pocket for replacement. And how the damage is calculated is also incomprehensible. As far as I understand, the trough has already expired and has become an exhibit. I believe that a bronze screw (non-ferrous metal) is much more expensive than a steel one and replacing bronze with a cheap analogue was quite justified. But if this was not planned when the ship was converted into an exhibit, the question arises for the planners, their negligence. Is there a crime on them?
In general, from the information provided by the author, it is clear that ... nothing is clear. There is a bunch in a puddle, but nothing more.

[evgen1221]

The worse the economy in the country, the more often they scam and more often they throw. An axiom, however.

[jurijsv]

Serve while your hands are worn!

[mmaxx]

It is interesting that the head of the ICR began to crow before the trial. Of course, our officers have long been not an example to follow. From the land, many were distinguished by an entrepreneurial streak. And I don't know about the naval ones. But in any case, it would still be necessary to wait for the trial and verdict. It is not known how the case was opened. It is not known what is being investigated, what documents and actions are being studied. Maybe everything is fine there? And all the papers are in place and everything is legal. After all, getting into such a case is enough to sign the wrong pieces of paper. Or it is not clear to whom to cross the road.

[Fedorovich]

Oh yopt ... Look, we even have special thieves. We'll have to somehow reward him for his insolence - to build a gallows out there of mahogany or something like that ...

[dimy44]

Friends, excuse the amateur, but here are some thoughts. The ship is getting ready for the museum, i.e. just for visual contact with guests. What for him screws made of bronze, because initially it was possible to officially replace them with similar-looking cheap ones and no one would notice, and use bronze for the benefit of the country. Or not?

[Petrol cutter]

Absolutely correct line of thought.
Especially if the museum will be "afloat", it does not need screws from the word at all. Even cast iron. Who will see them?! ..
Another question is what to rent in Chihara and sell "to the left" ...
This is a court case, plus the edge of many participants and witnesses will come out.
It is not clear from the article who and how defined the substitution at all (or I didn't read it carefully yesterday). Ship / ship propellers, generally piece weight. Where did they get the interchangeable ones?
Our A40 screws are one and a half meters in diameter (not measured). Someone said, five lemons apiece. There will be much more ...
Something doesn't fit in this story ...

[Looking for]

It amazes me how this man served without honor and conscience and rose to such a position !!! And after all, someone promoted him. Wrote representations on him. Characteristics. Lord, where is Russia heading ???

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Seeker

It amazes me how this man served without honor and conscience and rose to such a position !!!

And you look at the supreme power, where does honor and conscience come from? Well, if only from dampness.

[your1970]

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: Seeker

It amazes me how this man served without honor and conscience and rose to such a position !!!

And you look at the supreme power, where does honor and conscience come from? Well, if only from dampness.

When receiving the People's Commissariat of Defense before the war, the Red Army did not have enough 302 tanks
Was it damp too?

Or then, "This is different"? ???? !!!!!

[Petrol cutter]

Well, I did the right thing. In a businesslike way. Museum not fig-le with which screws to stand?!.
A completely different conversation, that no cap on the SRZ commands.
And neither he nor the team will ever hold such events on their own without equipment. A team of professionals is engaged in such matters - installers are named after them! They falcons know what is there and how. They have all the necessary tools and tools. Moreover, it is necessary to take other screws somewhere. And they are not sold in Auchan parasites.
And, gentlemen, installers at the plant ... They, too, are not engaged in amateur performances. The master stands above them.
Which actually distributes the control center. And above the master is the head of production. And above the head of the prod-va the head of the shop / or vice versa. This is where-how. Right now, bosses are like dogs ...
Hence the conclusion - there was a conspiracy. And it is necessary to sodit not only some, but also many. And not only many, but all ... As Comrade Klitschko taught. Especially the assembly team.
And the main enemy is the crane. He was the fascist who overloaded the screws.
The peasants did not carry them in their arms.

[andrew42]

It looks more like the TFR-vskie careerists are doing a fake business to the commander. They took it for greater importance. Everything is too inflated by an order of magnitude. 39 million rubles (minus the costs of a thief) and for such a laborious operation, and for so many direct performers and those "who are in the share" - there the arrival of a thief's soul is scanty, and the risk is not proportional.

[AML]

Quote: Runoway

Did you mean the benefit that migrants in the EU are so eager for?

Where do they get you from? If you can, like Arabs, live for 10 people in 1 apartment, and eat shawarma for months, then yes. But if you, as a white Caucasian, decide to start your happy European life as a migrant, then I dare to assure you the next 3-4 years (some even live for 10 years) you will spend in a camp (yeah with a fence and barbed wire), where you will get your 400 euros, do nothing and live like an amoeba. And the Arabs are for Europe as they are for Ukraine.

If you are not going to be homeless, then 1000 euros per person for Europe is nothing. Not to mention a normal life for a family. If you do not understand this due to your small age or poor development, then this is your personal grief. In Ukraine, they already ate their lace panties. I think that Russia definitely does not need this.

The places of compact residence of Bulgarians and Romanians are considered unfavorable. And it would seem the EU, peace, friendship, gum

[Glenni]

Why start as a migrant? Now you can absolutely freely find a job under a contract (in your specialty).

[Edvid]

And I really thought that the "privatization" in the Russian Navy during the nineties finally stopped? ... And in those years, who were closer to the top, even aircraft carriers were sold in bulk at the price of black scrap metal, and with a complete set of electronics. And in the latter, the price of non-ferrous and noble alloys exceeded the cost of selling the ship ... I can even list some components in the then Soviet technology: Molybdenum, rhodium, palladium, silver, gold and more ... For example, in silver-nickel batteries, each can contained silver in kilogram quantities ...

[Fonmeg]

Shoot You can't have mercy!

[Revolver]

Quote: Fonmeg

Shoot You can't have mercy!

It would be more correct to hang the "Restless" on the yard.

[Charik]

It's just a shame

[Vdi73]

The ship is 30 years old, it could still serve

[Glenni]

If a ship for a museum, why put bronze screws? What would the cost of repairs raise? Then cover the cabin with gold leaf!

[AML]

Quote: Glenni

Why start as a migrant? Now you can absolutely freely find a job under a contract (in your specialty).

You can, I don’t argue. Only the fact that 1k for Europe is nothing, it does not cancel. Only until you leave yourself and see everything with your own eyes, you will not understand. Those who left are always doing well. And as you dig, then a janitor, then at a vegetable warehouse, then a salesman, constantly trying to save money and constantly in a secondhand.

[Alexander Marat]

Conversion, conversion. So they would immediately say that the ship is being transferred to the state of the museum. And what for the museum in general screws, and even more so bronze? Cap, most likely, did not share with someone innocent or wanted to sting, so to speak. In short, greed.

[Alexander P]

I left it as a keepsake.

[Sergey Pedenko]

disgrace! even reading in the news is a shame!

[Horn]

"They stole the bronze one and put the metal one"! It made my evening!