Questions of mass famine in Soviet Russia in the early 1920s

Monument in the city of Sarapul

Almost immediately after the creation of the Soviet state, in addition to the civil war, another attack fell upon it. This scourge was famine, a massive shortage of food to ensure the livelihoods of millions of citizens - in the Volga region and northern Kazakhstan, in the North Caucasus and Ukraine. The timing of the famine (especially its end) is difficult to determine. Experts talk about 1920 (1921) - 1923.

This problem was caused by a number of factors, and one of the main ones was an unprecedented drought, which led to an acute shortage of grain. In turn, this affected the limited possibilities of the Soviet government to provide the country with food in full.

But there was famine in Russia even before the Bolshevik government came to power. During the monarchy, there were also situations in which problems arose with the provision of Russian subjects with the necessary amount of bread, both for objective and subjective reasons.

In Dmitry Puchkov's studio, the main issues of the famine in Soviet Russia of 1921-1923 are covered by sociologist Grigory Tsidenkov, who is working on his doctoral dissertation on the topic of providing humanitarian assistance to the young Soviet country by foreign states.

Tsidenkov talks about the system of grain purchases at "fixed" prices established by the authorities, about the problems that arose in this case, raises questions about the activities of the management system, the labor of the peasantry in Soviet Russia.

Comments

[paul3390]

Liberators, stubbornly pedaling the famine of the 30s, are trying to assure us that it is like a unique crime of the Bolsheviks. Diligently keeping silent that under the tsars - such a famine was quite a common occurrence in Ingushetia, once every 10 years - it was as if they were starving. And only the Soviet government was able to rid us of it once and for all. Even in the harsh war and post-war years - mass famine was not allowed, although - of course it was hard .. What would become of tsarist Russia, so adored by our elders, if it received such a blow from a united Europe - it's even scary to imagine. And only socialism allowed us to withstand ..

[Svarog]

Quote: paul3390

... What would become of Tsarist Russia, so adored by our upper ones, if she received such a blow from a united Europe - it's even scary to imagine

You can imagine .. They will disconnect from SWIFT, ban the sale of seeds, equipment, medicines, electronics, and immediately feel what has been done in 30 years .. We already feel it, although the sanctions are mostly personal.

[Machito]

Putin said at a press conference about the arms race and the Cold War, so there will be more and more sanctions. The time to turn off SWIFT has not yet come: while we are selling our resources for dollars and buying FRS bonds, it is quite possible that this will happen with further confrontation.

[Svarog]

Quote: Bearded

but it is quite possible that this will happen with further confrontation

There is no global confrontation. We are inscribed in the world capitalist paradigm, we are assigned the role of a raw materials appendage and they will not let us go beyond this framework .. All today's sanctions are the "education" of vassals who are trying to speak on equal terms. Mostly they are all personal. That's when the sanctions against the country will be turned on ... there will be a disaster. Since we have practically nothing of our own.
In order to turn the tide, you need to start with the main thing .. Get out of this paradigm. Return to the former socialist ideology, planned economy ... but taking into account the mistakes.

[Vadim237]

"Since we have practically nothing of our own." Well, you don't have everyone else, starting with food, ending with energy and everything else - especially since now many foreign offices localize products in Russia. "Return to the former socialist ideology, planned economy" And to total technical backwardness and deficit - in a planned economy these are accompanying components and you cannot avoid them. There will never be any socialism and planned economy in Russia, as they are not in any other country in the world.

[paul3390]

If you and your adored guarantor repeat a hundred times more that there will be no more socialism, then objective historical processes will not go anywhere. And you will simply be considered balabols. You still have to voice the thesis about galoshes - and there will be an almost complete liberal-presidential set ..

[antivirus]

without knowing your age - but in the 80s they sold them on coupons - "gave them" at low social prices. but there were no co-operators yet above the plan (the analogue is now "the market is working").
the junk was not fashionable and cheap - supposedly fashionable clothes were needed.
It is calmer to spit into the past, or you can drown in your spitting in the future.

[Dodikson]

and what will happen if SWIFT is turned off and the sale of seeds, equipment, medicines, electronics is prohibited?
Hospodin Liberas does not know that in fact it is already, and so they could have done it already.
Swift, if disconnected, will go to the Chinese platform, which even the Britons approved, only the West will remain in the red, which will lose the loot from the transactions of the Russian Federation. important electronics and other things, the West has long banned us.
seeds, I will reveal a secret, can be grown by any tribe, for plants are so arranged that they themselves give seeds.
the maximum that there will be a drop in yield by 5-15% from the type of premium seeds from the Netherlands.
what else can the west do to us? ban cola or sneakers?
you will die of hunger without an American zhrachka, but we have

[Svarog]

Quote: Dodikson

and what will happen if SWIFT is turned off and the sale of seeds, equipment, medicines, electronics is prohibited?

Yes, of course, nothing will happen .. just to heaven .. a lot of compatriots will go .. until your power falls under China completely .. and China just for the sake of friendship will not help your government .. will you trade in territory?

[Dodikson]

I do not understand the logic - why if Russia is turned off swift, then a bunch of Israelis and Americans will die?
our compatriots will not even notice this disconnection.
By the way, your power will fall under China, not ours, it was the can (Biden) that was sponsored with Chinese money and will work it off.

[Svarog]

Quote: Dodikson

our compatriots won't even notice this disconnection

Who are your compatriots? Where is your fatherland? London? Germany? USA?

I don't understand the logic

This is understandable.

By the way, your power will fall under China, not ours, it was the can (Biden) that was sponsored with Chinese money and will work it off.

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take out the trash -
on leftovers
get excited with children,
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to palaces
brilliant girls rushed.
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here
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wheezing
and cough
consumption of tailors.
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sticky jelly -
with a muzzle,
swollen boil for joy,
at the worker
feeling breasts:
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I will adopt!
Two hundred ladies
(if hundreds are few),
melancholy
I will drive
forever from the eyes!
Will
your life -
Cooney Island,
amusement park
in a billion candles. "
Will take away -
but tomorrow
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wolf gang
asexual old women
a prostitute -
in resin and feathers,
and again
in resin and down.
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rolled
eyes in the skies:
"Senk'yu
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[Svarog]

our compatriots will not even notice this disconnection.

Naturally .. they all rushed to Malta, apply for citizenship .. or are you also from Malta?

[Dodikson]

lol, the mattress started mowing like Russian again
Monsieur, if you have learned to write relatively competently in Russian, then you will not become Russian anyway, and you have no moral right to convince Russians what needs to be done in Russia as in Ukraine, to abandon your mentality, history, language and culture and become a mattress like you did.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dodikson

lol, the mattress started mowing like Russian again
Monsieur, if you have learned to write relatively competently in Russian, then you will not become Russian anyway, and you have no moral right to convince Russians what needs to be done in Russia as in Ukraine, to abandon your mentality, history, language and culture and become a mattress like you did.

Dodik, were you kicked out in two hours? I haven't met such idiocy for a long time.

[Dodikson]

that is, you do not notice the idiocy of pro-Westerners, but I cling to every letter as everyone noticed.
Are you definitely not an interested party?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dodikson

that is, you do not notice the idiocy of pro-Westerners, but I cling to every letter as everyone noticed.

Let me be curious, where did you find the "pro-Westerners"? In Svarog? Or in Semin? Where do they have "pro-Western" ideas? That one, that the other, firmly adhere to Marxist positions, and for some reason, I do not understand, you attribute to them the goals facing Navalny's supporters, why? For what reason do you think that anyone who criticizes the authorities is "Anglo-Saxon" or "Ukrainian"? Where do you have grounds for such conclusions?

[Dodikson]

because svarog I remember when he just appeared here. and not only him, there is a legion of them.
and for some reason you do not notice his idiocy.
Or do you really think that if some kind of naglosaks writes "I forbid" on a piece of paper, then you, your family, children, parents, neighbors and friends will die of hunger?
Tell me honestly - if tomorrow we turn off the swift and prohibit the supply of electronics that is already prohibited (not consumer electronics, but the industrial one that we were forbidden to supply for 25 years already), then you and your family will crawl to the churchyard to die without food?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dodikson

because svarog I remember when he just appeared here. and not only him, there is a legion of them.

Who is it?

Quote: Dodikson

and for some reason you do not notice his idiocy.
Or do you really think that if some kind of naglosaks writes "I forbid" on a piece of paper, then you, your family, children, parents, neighbors and friends will die of hunger?

Is it about "naglo-Saxons" and a piece of paper? The point is that for 30 years we have not created anything, we are only devouring the Soviet legacy. The main fighter, Soviet, missiles, in fact, Soviet, the fleet, it is better not to talk about it at all, one frustration, etc. The point is that today I went shopping with my wife, vegetable oil has risen in price by 30%, chickens by 20%, pork by 20%, cereals and flour by 20%, in relation to December 10. If you compare prices with the beginning of the "pandemic", things will look even worse. I do not care about the Americans and their sanctions, but when the USSR was, there were sanctions, much more serious than today, I did not feel them, but today, just go to the store, there is something like 3 percent inflation and does not smell, a month, unless it is more. Should I be happy about this? Is this government working in my interests? That our oligarchs have become poorer?

Quote: Dodikson

tell me honestly - if tomorrow we turn off the swift and prohibit the supply of electronics that are already prohibited (not consumer electronics, but the one that we have been banned from supplying for 25 years already)

You know, I have my first specialty, "an electromechanical technician for the operation of industrial robots," I graduated from a technician in 1988, today they only talk about "high-tech" workplaces, and after all, more than 30 years have passed, should I rejoice at this degradation? I did my practice at the Kursk countermash, he did then the 155th and 555th series of logic, he made IBM compatible machines, where is it all now? Have a ride. Who is guilty? And today more than 70 percent of the grain, for planting, is imported, and the quality characteristics of this grain are 40% better than domestic. There are no domestic crosses of broiler chickens at all, is it really necessary to rejoice? We are steadily going down to degradation and collapse of the country. And you look "time ahead", and do not think about anything. The impression is that you are living in this TV. Go out into the street, go to the store with your wife, talk to those pensioners who take out aluminum cans from garbage containers. You will learn a lot of interesting things.

[Dodikson]

shitty you understand the situation.
let's start with hunger. yet this is the topic of the article.
to begin with, do you remember what Bush's legs are?
and now ask the young about it, because they do not know what it is. do you know why? because now we have all our own chicken, and chicken eggs are also our own, and feed for all this is also our own.
that is, we are provided with chicken.
I remember how in 2008-9 the same gentlemen whined that to hell with her with chicken. it turns out that a person can live without fruit and chicken, without bread and water, but without pork and meat (at that time, it was 95% imported), a person cannot survive (the state police officers simply took lines from imports where there were the greatest values ​​and sang what exactly without this we can’t survive), and now what? with beef, of course, we are not yet self-sufficient, but the share of imports fell by 3 times. and for pork, we not only closed our needs (imports of purely certain specific varieties), but also started exporting it (as well as chicken).
also Russia began not to buy grain as it was under the USSR and the Eltsin. and to sell it and took 1st place in grain exports.
Moreover, a couple of years ago, we generally sold hawks worth more than weapons, and this was the last time 120 years ago.
By the way, I'm aware of technical grades and so on. as well as I know that this grain is eaten in a heap of countries of the world and for some reason they are happy.
The same topic we have, I have the main vegetables and oil, we have fucking how much sunflower oil is exported.
as well as onions, carrots and other things.
so even if all our borders are closed at all, then we will lose all sorts of bananas and bananas, with kiwis and red dalishes apples, but to die of hunger with our meat, butter, bread, vegetables and fruits (apples, plums, etc., yes, while their consumption exceeds production, but this is because they do not grow their own because of the low demand for domestic, because I myself saw how they buy expensive imported goods in the markets, but they disdain their relatives and cheap ones, which then rots and they let it on all sorts of buns, and these buns too not the most popular commodity, but as imported goods disappear, so sharply domestic apples, plums, pears will sharply become in demand.
so the idiot here is the one who writes that Biden with one signature can starve the Russian people to death.
by the way at the expense of prices. prices EVERYWHERE are only growing. and xs in which markets you try, but my prices for the main groups of purchases have not changed in any way, except that the bus has risen in price by 1 ruble.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dodikson

do you know why? because now we have all our own chicken, and chicken eggs are also our own, and feed for all this is also our own.
that is, we are provided with chicken.

A dangerous delusion. We do not have our own broiler chickens. Simply put, broilers are three-line hybrids and the maximum that we grow is the second generation of eggs from the first generation purchased. So it was three years ago, I have not heard that we would have raised our mother line. Attempts were made, but they did not finance these developments. Do you know what is the share of imported seeds in "your" feed? I wrote above.

Quote: Dodikson

also Russia began not to buy grain as it was under the USSR and the Eltsin. and to sell it and took 1st place in grain exports.
Moreover, a couple of years ago, we generally sold hawks worth more than weapons, and this was the last time 120 years ago.

Do you even understand what you are writing about? Are you glad that Russia is selling grain abroad? For your information, under the USSR there were about 40 million heads of dairy cattle, today about 8 million. As in 1942, there was no one to feed. Even 7 years ago in my village there were about 100 heads of a herd, today there are 20 heads. Grain is expensive and unprofitable to keep. Is it profitable for me, as well as for my fellow villagers, that it is sold abroad, while our prices for it are growing?

Quote: Dodikson

so the idiot here is the one who writes that Biden with one signature can starve the Russian people to death.

Don't compose, nobody wrote that.

Quote: Dodikson

by the way at the expense of prices. prices EVERYWHERE are only growing. and xs in which markets you try, but my prices for the main groups of purchases have not changed in any way, except that the bus has risen in price by 1 ruble.

You either live in another country, or do not go to the store.

[Dodikson]

once again - I talked about this with the workers of the pritsefabrik and they have a different opinion. and I trust them more, if only because I know them personally and know that they are definitely from Russia. and I trust anonymous comments from the Internet only after I check them myself (if possible).
and strangely enough, there were 5 times more dairy cattle in the USSR. but there was no cheese, no milk, no cottage cheese, where did it all go?
Or maybe fairy tales about 40 million young cattle remain fairy tales?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dodikson

in the USSR there were 5 times more dairy cattle. but there was no cheese, no milk, no cottage cheese, where did it all go?

Did you live in the USSR at all? Milk, sour cream, cottage cheese, etc. in the stores have always been. You can also ask around about dairy kitchens.

Quote: Dodikson

Or maybe fairy tales about 40 million heads of dairy cattle remain fairy tales?

Look at the statistics, everything is open. I'll look for chickens especially for you, but not today. Once simple.

[Dodikson]

I perfectly remember the USSR, at least 80s. and yes. in the republics (I was not born in the RSFSR), it was relatively easy, but in the RSFSR there was already not a damn thing, even for bread I stood in queues for 2-3 hours. so I repeat - I don't need to tell stories.

[alekseykabanets]

For broilers, only plans to patent the first domestic cross of broiler chickens.
https://specagro.ru/news/202006/rossiya-sokratit-zavisimost-proizvodstva-broylerov-ot-inostrannogo-plemennogo-materiala
https://specagro.ru/news/202101/v-rossii-zapatentuyut-otechestvennyy-kross-myasnykh-kur-smena-9

[Dodikson]

xs why so, maybe your account is cursed, because when they write to you, the browser starts to glitch that I almost broke the keyboard.
I know about grains for planting and about chickens. and if you can still argue about grain, then at the expense of chickens, I talked with people who work at poultry farms and I have a reverse infa.
by the way, if there are no imported seeds. there will be no hunger anyway.
the yield will drop a little and that's it. yes, there will be an unpleasant fact, but far from fatal.
And as for the rest, we recently argued with other citizens about composites, and it turns out that they are being produced here in a lot of fucking ways, and we started to tighten up electronics. And yes, I am aware of what the top Elbruses are doing on tsmc, but there are even Huayvei doing prots, or rather, they did, before the sanctions were put on them. now only smic and old workflows.

[Nasrat]

With liberals, everything is clear ... although this term rather acquired the role of driving ... Why are they pedaling this topic on VO - have you ever asked this question? And VO admins can hardly be called liberals ...

P.S.,
I don't want discussions on these topics, but the united Europe has attacked Russia not for the first time ...

[paul3390]

I don't want discussions on these topics, but the united Europe has attacked Russia not for the first time ...

And every time - it got worse .. Since the Buonapartia - we have not won wars against Europe. The Crimean War is an example of this. And in WWI, tsarist Russia did not hold back the blow of Germany and Austria, and both fought on other fronts, and for Germany, the Eastern was not at all the main one .. And in 41, almost everyone came at once ..

[Nasrat]

Quote: paul3390

Since the time of Buonapartia, we have not won wars against Europe.

But this did not affect the Empire in any way !!! In the same Crimean - all territories remained under the Empire ... and soon they spat on the restrictions ...

Quote: paul3390

And in WWI, tsarist Russia did not hold back the blow of Germany and Austria ...

?????

Quote: paul3390

And in 41, almost everyone came at once.

The fact of the matter is that all at once - there were no longer the former allies ... from that and the losses are incommensurable with anything!

[Woodman]

Quote: paul3390

And only the Soviet government managed to rid us of him once and for all.

It's just that the time has come to mechanize agriculture and food technology. For comparison, in the 20th century, famine was defeated not only in the USSR, but in the capitalist countries. Conclusion - technology defeated hunger, not social order.

Quote: paul3390

that would be the case with Tsarist Russia, so adored by our upper ones, if she received such a blow from a united Europe - it's even scary to imagine

Nothing would have happened. In the First World War, in fact, there was the same alignment. Is that Romania fought on the side of the Empire, and not against. But at the same time, Turkey did not remain neutral, as in World War II, but fought against the Empire. And until the Empire was destroyed from within by all sorts of revolutionaries, the fighting went far from Moscow and St. Petersburg, and the Empire had every chance of surviving to win.
Yes, and a hundred years before that (in 1812), the Empire also held out against Europe.

[paul3390]

It's okay to tell fairy tales. What shishi would RI carry out agricultural mechanization? And what would you mechanize - a peasant on 10 acres? Not funny..

No. The layout was completely different. For Germany, the eastern front was by no means the main one, and Austria, besides us, also fought in Italian and Serbian. Now imagine for a second what it would be like if they ALL pounced on us, like in 41? Yes, plus Finland and Romania .. Only feathers would fly from your RI. Europe would have reached the Urals without options. And so they raked with a star from the heart ..

[Nasrat]

Think - why did RI have allies who fought with Austria and Germany, and in 1941 these allies became enemies of Russia ...?

[paul3390]

Are you delusional? Then our allies were England, France and Serbia .. England fought for us and in WWII, and the second two were stupidly conquered by Germany ..

[Nasrat]

Quote: paul3390

Are you delusional? Then our allies were England, France and Serbia .. England fought for us and in WWII, and the second two were stupidly conquered by Germany ..

Ask the question why: did the British and American bankers and industrialists subsidize Hitler, brought him to power, technologically rearmed him? So did the USSR have allies in 1941? Would there have been Hitler's Germany in general, if not for the revolution in the Russian Federation?

[Woodman]

Quote: Nasr

if not for the revolution in the Russian Federation?

Uh?

[Nasrat]

Quote: Lesovik

Quote: Nasr

if not for the revolution in the Russian Federation?

Uh?

In contrast to the USSR, Hitler's Germany was created, nurtured, with the money of the Anglo-Saxons ... - to fight with someone else's hands .... but not everything has grown together among the Anglo-Saxons, but at the finish line - they broke the "bank" in full!

[DrEng527]

Quote: Nasr

1941, these allies became enemies of Russia ...?

because of the brilliant foreign policy of the Bolsheviks and the IVS personally ...

[Old electrician]

England, France and Serbia are allies of Tsarist Russia - this is the funniest anecdote. In the First World War, there was no case that the allies had a chance to screw up Russia, and they missed it.
The “great” war began when the British fleet, instead of sinking, literally drove the German battleship Goeben and the light cruiser Breslau into the Black Sea, which were in a completely hopeless position against the many times superior British forces. After that, this battleship and cruiser destroyed our coast with impunity for two years, because through the efforts of the same England and France, Russia was deprived of the Black Sea Fleet. At the same time, the allies, through diplomatic channels, forced our people to cancel the quite reasonable decision to block the exit from the Bosphorus with mines, allegedly because there was no need to provoke the Turks.
1915 is the year of the general German offensive against Russia, but the "allies" blocked any assistance to us. Little of. They launched the Dardanelles operation, the sole purpose of which was to potentially deprive Russia of the coveted Bosphorus and Dardanelles. The countries that fought against us in the Crimea in 1856 would never have allowed the strengthening of Russia on the Black Sea.
1915 year. Rifle hunger in Russia. Japan agreed to sell us 120000 rifles. The British, out of meanness, intercepted the order and resold the same rifles to us in 1916.
After Samsonov's army sacrificed itself to save the French on the Marne, England and France banned the sale of aircraft, engines for them, etc. to Russia. And this despite the fact that our dependence on imports was 100%. The blockade was lifted only in 1916. The Red Baron Richthofen flew a fighter with a clone of the French Ron 9 engine. In 1916, Nick 2 bought 2000 of these engines. However, the French blocked their assembly for the sake of selling junk. They were gathered by the Bolsheviks after the Civil War. As they say, etc., etc. For its sacrifice for the sake of the "allies" Russia has received nothing but meanness from them.
A.E. Edrikhin (pseudonym Vandam) Major General (1917), military intelligence officer, White Guard, White emigrant:

"It's bad to have the Anglo-Saxon as an enemy, but God forbid to have him as a friend!"

General Staff Colonel E.E. Messner is a White Guard, a White émigré, a staunch anti-Soviet, convinced that all Russia's troubles originated from Jacob Schiff:

“France, which brazenly took over the strategy of the Entente, demanded unbearable operational activity from Russia. If Clemenceau and Lloyd George demanded this, then these civilian strategists did not understand anything about the war, but Generals Joffre, Foch and Kitchener demanded the same (these three hardly had in mind to achieve the Masonic goal of exhausting Germany and Russia equally), and we self-sacrificingly rushed to bail out the allies when they got stuck, and if those were well, we ourselves rushed to the offensive, thinking to hasten the victory without the help of the Anglo-French, who were in no hurry to win. We attracted most of the forces of Germany, Austria-Hungary and Turkey, and the French gave their front-line soldiers frequent leave for childbirth, while the British played football in the rear of their positions ... "

He:

"From military weariness, which began in the 15th year (damn the cunning of the allies!) The grain riot turned into the February revolution ..."

From the memoirs of the widow of the Grand Duke Pavel Alexandrovich:

“The British Embassy, ​​by order of Lloyd George, became a hotbed of propaganda. Liberals, Prince Lvov, Milyukov, Rodzianko, Maklakov, Guchkov, etc., constantly visited him. It was in the English embassy that it was decided to abandon legal paths and embark on the path of revolution. It must be said that Sir George Buchanan, the British ambassador to Petrograd, acted out of a sense of personal malice. The emperor did not like him and became increasingly cold towards him, especially since the British ambassador got in touch with his personal enemies. The last time Sir George requested an audience, the Emperor received him standing, without asking to sit down. Buchanan vowed to take revenge, and since he was very closely associated with one grand ducal couple, he at one time had the idea of ​​making a palace coup. But the events exceeded his expectations, and he, along with Lady Georgina, turned away from their wrecked friends without the slightest shame. In St. Petersburg, at the beginning of the revolution, it was said that Lloyd George, upon learning of the fall of tsarism in Russia, rubbed his hands, saying: "One of the British goals of the war has been achieved" ... "

From the memoirs of the British ambassador to Russia Buchanan:

"... The palace coup was discussed openly, and at dinner at the embassy one of my Russian friends, who held a high position in the government, told me that the only question is whether both the emperor and the empress will be killed or only the last ..."

- with such allies there is no need for enemies!
Austro-Hungarian diplomat Count Ottokar Czernin von und zu Hudenitz:

“In the last days of February 1917, an interesting event took place: on February 26th, a gentleman came to me and presented me with evidence that he was a full-fledged representative of one neutral power. He informed me that he was instructed to let me know that the powers at war with us, or at least one of them, are ready to conclude peace with us, and that the conditions of this peace will be favorable for us.
...
My interlocutor could not say anything more, but from the last words it followed that the proposal came from one of the enemy powers without the knowledge of the others.
I never doubted for a moment that the case was about Russia, and my interlocutor supported my assumption, although he definitely emphasized that he could not assert this.
...
I received no further reply to this second telegram. Seven days later, on March 7th, the king was deposed from the throne. Obviously, on his part it was about the last attempt to escape, and, quite possibly, if it had taken place a few weeks earlier, then the fate of not only Russia, but the whole world would have taken a different turn. "

- well, what a coincidence! As soon as the tsar started talking about a separate peace, he was overthrown at the behest of the British embassy.
Winston Churchill on his planned future of the Russian Empire:

“... All legitimate aspirations can be satisfied within a single Russia — a state consisting of several autonomous states on the basis of a federation. Such a Russian state would pose less of a threat to the future peace of all countries than a vast, centralized tsarist monarchy. And now it is just such a moment when, due to the critical situation in which all the parties existing in Russia and all its military forces are located, an opportunity is created, with the help of the wise application of the policy of the allies, to give events such a turn ... "

- The CIS was not conceived at all in 1991.
Churchill, in his article "How I fought with Russia," writes that on 26.05.1919/XNUMX/XNUMX, the Powers of the allied coalition sent a "Note of the Supreme Council to Admiral Kolchak:

"...
Fourthly, the independence of Finland and Poland must be recognized, and if any issues concerning the borders or any other relations between Russia and these countries cannot be resolved by mutual agreement, the Russian government will agree to appeal to arbitration League of Nations.
Fifth, in the event that relations between Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the Caucasian and Trans-Caspian territories and Russia are not quickly established through mutual agreements, this issue will also be resolved with the help of the League of Nations, and until then the Russian government undertakes to recognize autonomy all these territories and to reaffirm the relationship that may exist between their existing de facto governments and the governments of the Allied coalition powers.
Sixth, the government of Admiral Kolchak must recognize the right of the peace conference to determine the future of the Romanian part of Bessarabia.
...
J. Clemenceau, Lloyd George, Orlando, Woodrow Wilson, Sayonji "

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Churchill further writes that already on June 4.06.1919, XNUMX, Kolchak satisfactorily answered each of the questions posed to him by the Council of Five. As you can see, the native troops under the command of Kolchak, Denikin, etc. fought in the interests of the "allies" for the complete destruction of the Russian Empire.
And now about fraternal Serbia.
The formal pretext for the war was the events in Sarajevo, where on June 28, 1914, the Bosnian Serb Gavrilo Princip killed the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne, Archduke Ferdinand and his wife.
Gavrila was a member of Mlada Bosna, which maintained contact with the Serbian government and collaborated with members of the Black Hand, a secret organization that originated in the Serbian army. The goal of both organizations is to unite the Balkan peoples into a great Pan-Serb state. To do this, they needed to play off Russia and Austria-Hungary in the hope of raking in the heat with the wrong hands. In 1914-1918 this heat was enough in abundance. Well, during the Civil War, Serbian interventionists enthusiastically saved Russia from the Bolsheviks.
More "brilliant" than the idiotic policy of a bad-hearted Nick 2 is impossible to think of. Thanks to the IVS, which, unlike Nick 2, did not fill the Germans with the corpses of the Russians, in the name of the interests of the allies.

[DrEng527]

Quote: Old electrician

It is impossible to think of more "genius" than the idiotic policy of a bad-hearted Nick 2.

Sorry, but your opus is funny to comment on - everything is mixed in a heap - important and funny ...

Quote: Old electrician

Thanks to the IVS, which, unlike Nick 2, did not fill up the Germans with the corpses of the Russians, in the name of the interests of the allies.

do you have an understanding of commonplace arithmetic? for WW1, RIA lost about 2 million irrevocably, and the Red Army for the Second World War about 11,5 million ... and even civilians were put, according to Zemsky's estimates, 4,5 million ...
If it's not a secret - for whose interests did the USSR lose 16 million in the Second World War?

[Woodman]

Quote: paul3390

Europe would have reached the Urals without options. And so they raked with a star from the heart ..

Rave. Romania and Finland taken together do not even compare to the Ottoman Empire. Maybe add Italy to them. Although you can yourself compare the capabilities of these three and Turkey at that time.

Quote: paul3390

Austria - besides us, it also fought in Italian and Serbian.

Serbia didn't even last a couple of months.

Quote: paul3390

On what shishi would RI carry out agricultural mechanization?

Yes, the same as the rest of Europe.

Quote: paul3390

And what would you mechanize - a peasant on 10 acres?

You would first think before you put the question like that. Under the Soviet Union, how many acres of land did the peasant have? Before the start of mechanization, the Union carried out collectivization and mechanized not every single peasant (who already had those "10 acres" left), but collective farms. In the Empire, large landowners played the role of such farms. Perhaps, with centrolyzed mechanization, the Union coped with this task in a shorter time than the Empire could handle, carrying out mechanization at the initiative of landowners. But given the years of civil war, post-war devastation, collectivization, the deadlines for mechanization of agriculture most likely fell on the same time as under the Soviet Union - that is, the same 30s.
In any case, the empire (like the Union) would have to solve the food problem in order to resettle a significant part of the population to the cities. For only when the population is concentrated in relatively large settlements, large-scale industrialization is possible.

[paul3390]

Liberal schiz. The rest of Europe has been mechanizing for 100 years, with money from colonial revenues. RI had neither money nor time. What do you think-the Bolsheviks collectivization with industrialization just like that, from nehru started doing ???

What does Serbia have to do with it ??? Well, add 86 German divisions, one and a half million snouts and 5000 artillery barrels that attacked in the West on the eastern front in 1914 - and you yourself will get the result. Do you want to say that RI would have kept it? Yes, not in life !!! And in 41 - all this at once, the entire army of the united Germany and Austria-Hungary fell on the USSR. And he won ...

[Woodman]

Quote: paul3390

What does Serbia have to do with it ???

You were the first to mention Serbia

Quote: paul3390

besides us, she also fought in Italian and Serbian.

Quote: paul3390

What do you think-the Bolsheviks collectivization with industrialization just like that, from nehru started doing ???

Precisely because

Quote: Lesovik

considering the years of civil war, post-war devastation, collectivization

They were rebuilding what was destroyed during the civil war and making up for lost time. An elementary question of survival. As a result of the revolution, the former allies were invaders. After the victory of the Bolsheviks, the newborn USSR found itself in a complete economic blockade and an absolutely hostile environment. Plus it lost significant territories - the most significant of which are: Poland, Finland, the Baltic states. This is not counting human losses, including due to mass emigration. That is why we had to act quickly and tough. Without a revolution, the Empire could have done the same things slowly and in a much safer environment. And, by the way, it is far from the fact that with the preservation of the Empire, Germany could revive and unleash a new world war.

Quote: paul3390

Liberal schiz.

No comment.

[Nasrat]

Quote: Lesovik

And, by the way, it is far from the fact that with the preservation of the Empire, Germany could revive and unleash a new world war.
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There would not be any Hitlerite Germany, for the simple reason that it was originally raised (Hitlerite Germany) for an attack on the USSR ...

[Vadim237]

"RI had neither money nor time." Well, yes, it was not then in the civil for tens of billions of dollars, everything was destroyed and taken out of the country, and even the Bolsheviks refused to creditors in the obligations of the Republic of Ingushetia, as a result of which they seized property abroad and everything else several times more in value than they should have on loans and accelerated industrialization carried out with the active participation of foreigners and equipment, and the USSR took loans for this.

[DrEng527]

Quote: paul3390

Liberal schiz.

in your head! I wrote from the words of my grandfather - they had horse mechanisms and a locomobile ...

Quote: paul3390

RI had neither money nor time.

on the contrary, there was everything and the people worked calmly, whoever wanted and knew how ...

Quote: paul3390

Do you want to say that RI would have kept it? Yes, not in life !!!

that is why she fought as part of the Entente, and not alone! Moreover, the Western Front in WW1 was the main one ... do you have a self-pillar?

Quote: paul3390

And he won ...

create problems for ourselves, and then bloody get out?

[Foul skeptic]

In the Empire, the role of such farms was played by large landowners

Who collectively cultivated 16 times less rye and wheat than the peasants cultivated in total (judging by the All-Russian agricultural and land census of 1917). Since it is banal the peasants collectively have more land, since it is banal that the peasants themselves are collectively larger.

But given the years of civil war, post-war devastation

The conviction that this would not be based on something?

[Paul]

Still, the influence of mechanization and technology cannot be denied so radically. In one thing you are right - the Bolsheviks were building a socially oriented state, and the Russian elite thought more about their missionary destiny for the Russian people, and not about what this people will eat. As a descendant of peasants, I am sure that more than what my great-grandfather received in a parish school he would not have been able to get from the state in terms of education, and other social buns could be talked about if a feat was accomplished or some other elite deed. Actually, the successes in the fight against hunger in the Western countries were caused, in no small measure, by the fear of repeating what happened in our country at the beginning of the 20th century.

[DrEng527]

Quote: paul3390

On what shishi would RI carry out agricultural mechanization?

you are simply not competent - mechanization ALREADY went on, first of all, in the areas of commercial agriculture - in the South of the European part of the Republic of Ingushetia, Altai ... Horse-drawn seeders, reapers, sheaf-binder, steam-driven hammers from locomotives were introduced ...

[Vadim237]

"What would have happened to Tsarist Russia, so adored by our superiors, had it received such a blow from a united Europe." Hitler's rise to power was a consequence of the fact that Russia stopped the war, and if it had not stopped any Hitler who came to power in Germany did not happen. And the famine of 32 33 years was just a consequence of the abolition of the NEP dekulakization, collectivization, resettlement of peoples, etc., and last but not least, droughts in the west did not dekulak anyone and they were not forcibly driven into state and collective farms, as we see there farmers felt great throughout the 20th century supplying the USSR with the same grain and everything else that we lacked more and more from year to year for gold and petrodollars.

[paul3390]

What nonsense .. Hitler's rise to power was a consequence of the fact that WWI did not solve all the accumulated capitalist contradictions. It is corny - the markets were not divided in the right way. And as a consequence, there were two candidates for destruction, the British Empire with its colonies and Russia. According to the results of WWII, the British Empire was destroyed, Russia was not given by the USSR. War was inevitable by definition, with or without the Bolsheviks, and everyone understood this perfectly. No wonder Foch said in 1919 that this is not peace, this is a truce for 20 years. I got it right. Read at least something about history, you can't just keep liberal propaganda in your head ...

Hunger is even more stupid. Even the discussion is already tired. If it was a matter of collectivization, then why the hell in your beloved RI, once every 10 years, was starving steadily? And not weaker than in the 30s? Ever wondered? Once again - finally engage in self-education. It will do you good ...

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: paul3390

Liberators, stubbornly pedaling the famine of the 30s, are trying to assure us that it is like a unique crime of the Bolsheviks. Diligently keeping silent that under the tsars - such a famine was quite a common occurrence in Ingushetia, once every 10 years - it was as if they were starving. And only the Soviet government was able to rid us of it once and for all. Even in the harsh war and post-war years - mass famine was not allowed, although - of course it was hard .. What would become of tsarist Russia, so adored by our elders, if it received such a blow from a united Europe - it's even scary to imagine. And only socialism allowed us to withstand ..

To be honest, your kick at the tsarist power is not entirely correct. The last big famine in Ingushetia happened in 1892 and after that such a thing did not seem to be observed. Even PMA was tolerated relatively well in terms of food. And - at their own expense.
But under the USSR in the Second World War "at the expense of foreign food (according to the Lend-Lease) it was possible to supply the 10-millionth army for 1688 days." https://article.unipack.ru/59942
It turns out that under the tsars Russia somehow managed to provide the warring country with food. But the USSR "niasilyl" this.
Then - you forget about the significant improvement in logistics, which just happened at the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. - and good logistics is always an opportunity to transfer food from areas where it is to those areas where it is not. And they began to improve logistics just in RI. As they began to build the first large elevators, by the way (just before the start of WWI).
Well, about "what would become of the Republic of Ingushetia in the event of a war with the whole of Europe," then I would like to especially note that the diplomacy of the Republic of Ingushetia tried to prevent such opportunities in principle. Hence the participation in the Entente and earlier anti-French coalitions ... So the Crimean was not a war against all of Europe. And even in 1812 Napoleon was forced to keep about 300 of his troops in Spain. Not a bad help for our army, you see.
And by the way, the great famine in the USSR after WWII did happen. In 1947. So oh, how not everything was so rosy under socialism ...

[paul3390]

Uh-huh .. That is, we forget the famine of 1907-1911? Yes - it was possible to fend off at least a bit due to the high harvest in Siberia, but it was still there. Like another cholera epidemic ..

Overpowered, you say? Can you recall why the riots began in Petrograd and large cities in 1917? Duc due to lack of food, oddly enough .. And fuel. Did you supply the army? Well, read about the riots since 1916 on this matter. Just because of hunger ..

Logistics - first of all, implies railways .. And they - through the efforts of the French, were built in one direction and with one goal - the speedy delivery of recruits to the western front .. With all that it implies for the rest of the transportation .. How were you going to improve logistics there? And your large elevators are the infrastructure for EXPORTING grain, importing it across the cordon, and not at all for storing it in reserve for the population. Just look where they were built ..

I tried not to admit it, yes. But in the Crimean - England and France were quite enough for us, if at that moment even Austria had fit in - the kirdyk would have been complete. And in WWI - we got rid of a third of the German army quite cheerfully ..

The famine of 1947 - well, yes, all the village peasants perished at the front, there is no trace of equipment in the villages, everything is mobilized, like horses, by the way, and from above there is a sickly drought of 1946 .. The stump is clear - a terrible crime of the Bolsheviks .. But this there was the LAST famine in the USSR. In 1948, the Stalinist plan for the transformation of nature was launched, ending droughts forever. Unless of course we cut it all out again ..

By the way, when were the cards canceled there? How about in England?

[Trapperxnumx]

I wrote you a detailed answer, but the computer froze and the answer was "reset"
Let everyone stay with their own) All the best to you

[Avior]

The author mixed the hunger of the early 20s and early 30s into one pile.
The Volga region was the first to suffer from the Rejected, and Ukraine, Kazakhstan and the North Caucasus suffered from the Second.
And about the second one cannot be said that he was immediately after the creation of the state, in contrast to the case with the first.

[nov_tech.vrn]

Hunger in 20 differs from famine in 30 not by geography, in 30 years in the USSR there was famine, not only in those places about which local rulers are now loudly declaring, hunger was everywhere, the main difference is that after the famine of 30 years, when they were spent, drastic changes in agriculture, even the famine of the post-war 1947 survived much easier. There are very interesting graphs showing the correlation of soil moisture with mass famine in the Republic of Ingushetia and in the USSR, the peaks of droughts that followed after 33 years did not cause mass famine, except for the post-war 47. In the Volga region and Armenia in 20 years, the well-known Nansen foundation operated, this researcher with world renowned then rendered great help to the starving.

[Vladimir_2U]

Hunger, and deadly hunger, has always existed in Russia, but only the Soviet regime was able to reverse this misfortune. Even if not right away.

[Crowe]

Quote: paul3390

under the kings - such a famine was quite a common occurrence in Ingushetia, once every 10 years - as if they were starving.

True, but for some reason it is not customary to focus on this.

In 1901 - 1902 49 provinces starved
In 1905 - 1908. hunger strike from 19 to 29 provinces
In 1911 - 1912, famine spread to 2 provinces in two years.
The tsarist government was concerned about how to hide the scale of the famine. In the press, censorship forbade the use of the word “hunger”, replacing it with the word “crop failure.” Despite the famine, grain was flowing from Russia to Europe (as now oil and gas also go to Europe, bypassing Russia). On average, 30% of the grain was exported annually. This means that the grain trade was a forced measure, and was not conducted because of its excess. The tsarist minister Vyshnegradskiy, responding to accusations of selling bread abroad even during the famine in Russia, said from the rostrum of the State Duma: "We will not eat enough, but we will take it out!" This slogan was put into practice.

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[Woodman]

Quote: Crowe

Despite famine, grain flowed from Russia to Europe

In fairness to the USSR, it also did not refuse grain exports in the first decades of its existence. And these data are no more difficult to find than data on grain exports from Ingushetia.

Quote: Crowe

The Tsar’s Minister Vyshnegradsky, answering the accusations of selling bread abroad even during the famine in Russia, said from the rostrum of the State Duma: “We are undernourished, but we’ll take them out!”

The phrase "we will not finish eating, but we will take out" is standardly attributed to the tsarist finance minister I.A. Vyshnegradsky (1888-1892). Some attribute it to S.Yu. Witte or even P.A. Stolypin. However, this is not so important, since there are some doubts that such a phrase was ever said. For example, there are other "quotes" attributed to Vyshnegradskiy: "We must export, even if we die." Etc.

[Red Alert]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Hunger, and deadly hunger, has always existed in Russia, but only the Soviet regime was able to reverse this misfortune. Even if not right away.

The famine was associated with peasant land shortages and a harsh climate. The horse, the main agricultural "tool", will not survive in the middle lane without oats. So choose what to grow on your site oats or bread for yourself. If you chose bread, get ready to plow on your own, with a wooden plow.

[Red Alert]

Quote: paul3390

Liberators, stubbornly pedaling the famine of the 30s, are trying to assure us that it is like a unique crime of the Bolsheviks. Diligently keeping silent that under the tsars - such a famine was quite a common occurrence in Ingushetia, once every 10 years - it was as if they were starving. And only the Soviet government was able to rid us of it once and for all. Even in the harsh war and post-war years - mass famine was not allowed, although - of course it was hard .. What would become of tsarist Russia, so adored by our elders, if it received such a blow from a united Europe - it's even scary to imagine. And only socialism allowed us to withstand ..

There was a famine 1946-1947. But then there was famine in Europe "One could expect that the food situation in Europe would improve with the end of the war, but in many places the famine only intensified. In the months following the declaration of peace, the Allies desperately and unsuccessfully tried to feed millions of hungry people in Europe. As I mentioned earlier, by the end of the war, the normal daily diet in Germany had dropped to just over 1400 calories, by September 1945 in the British zone of Germany it had dropped to 1224 calories, and by March of the following year it was only 1014 calories. it dropped below 1000 calories at the end of 1945 and remained there for six months. " A card system was introduced in the USA. The commies are probably to blame for this too

[Avior]

... There was a famine 1946-1947. But then there was famine in Europe

by the end of the war, the usual daily diet in Germany had dropped to just over 1400 calories; by September 1945, it had dropped in the British zone of Germany

As if not quite “then”. In the spring of 1945, the war was raging across Europe; there were problems with the harvest until the summer of 1946.
But not at 46-47
Moreover, in the spring of 1945 there were no longer any hostilities in the USSR, they moved to Europe.
There were various reasons.
The famine of 1947 as a child was experienced by my mother, she often told. And the grandmothers found 32-33, and the occupation and famine of 1947.

[apro]

Comparing famine in the USSR and RI is not entirely correct. If in the first case there were the consequences of wars, epidemics, and other catastrophes, then in RI this is imperfection of social relations. a lot and the price of fuel is growing and growing. Oil today is like grain in the world. The main export product.

[don carleone]

In 1994, two truly monstrous orders were first published, issued in June 1921 (when, by the way, Stalin was not yet "general secretary"). It was about the riot of the Tambov peasantry ("antonovschina"), which began in August 1920 and was almost completely suppressed by June 1921. Nevertheless, on June 12, the commander of the troops of the Tambov province (the order was also signed by the chief of staff of these troops) announced:

"The remnants of broken gangs and individual bandits ... are gathering in the forests ... For the immediate cleaning of the forests I ORDER:

1. Forests where bandits are hiding should be cleaned with poisonous gases, precisely calculated so that a cloud of suffocating gases spreads completely throughout the forest, destroying everything that was hidden in it.

2. The artillery inspector must immediately submit to the field the required number of cylinders with poisonous gases and the necessary specialists ... "

In accordance with this, the artillery inspector ordered: "The shooting must be persistent and with a large number of shells ... The total rate of fire is not less than three rounds per minute per gun ..."

This attitude towards the Russian peasants, who rebelled against the food appropriation system (the use of which, by the way, the authorities unjustifiably delayed, which by that time had already been officially recognized), as to some harmful creatures, seemingly without human status, says a lot. But even more monstrous was the second order, given eleven days later, on June 23, 1921:

"The experience of the first combat area shows great suitability for quickly clearing known areas from banditry in the following way ... Upon arrival, the parish is cordoned off, 60-100 of the most prominent persons are taken as hostages ... residents are given two hours to hand out bandits and weapons , as well as gangster families ... If the population of the gangsters and weapons did not indicate after a two-hour period ... the taken hostages are shot in front of the population, after which new hostages are taken and a second time it is proposed to hand over the gangsters and weapons ... executions, etc. (this "etc." is incomparable! - V.K.) ... The present Plenipotentiary Commission of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee orders to be accepted for unswerving execution "94.

[Red Alert]

Quote: don carleone

In 1994, two truly monstrous orders were first published, issued in June 1921 (when, by the way, Stalin was not yet "general secretary"). It was about the riot of the Tambov peasantry ("antonovschina"), which began in August 1920 and was almost completely suppressed by June 1921. Nevertheless, on June 12, the commander of the troops of the Tambov province (the order was also signed by the chief of staff of these troops) announced:

"The remnants of broken gangs and individual bandits ... are gathering in the forests ... For the immediate cleaning of the forests I ORDER:

1. Forests where bandits are hiding should be cleaned with poisonous gases, precisely calculated so that a cloud of suffocating gases spreads completely throughout the forest, destroying everything that was hidden in it.

2. The artillery inspector must immediately submit to the field the required number of cylinders with poisonous gases and the necessary specialists ... "

In accordance with this, the artillery inspector ordered: "The shooting must be persistent and with a large number of shells ... The total rate of fire is not less than three rounds per minute per gun ..."

This attitude towards the Russian peasants, who rebelled against the food appropriation system (the use of which, by the way, the authorities unjustifiably delayed, which by that time had already been officially recognized), as to some harmful creatures, seemingly without human status, says a lot. But even more monstrous was the second order, given eleven days later, on June 23, 1921:

"The experience of the first combat area shows great suitability for quickly clearing known areas from banditry in the following way ... Upon arrival, the parish is cordoned off, 60-100 of the most prominent persons are taken as hostages ... residents are given two hours to hand out bandits and weapons , as well as gangster families ... If the population of the gangsters and weapons did not indicate after a two-hour period ... the taken hostages are shot in front of the population, after which new hostages are taken and a second time it is proposed to hand over the gangsters and weapons ... executions, etc. (this "etc." is incomparable! - V.K.) ... The present Plenipotentiary Commission of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee orders to be accepted for unswerving execution "94.

Why wasn't the author of the order indicated? Tukhachevsky Mikhail Nikolaevich gave this order.

[nikvic46]

The Americans do not advertise their hunger. During the Great Depression, several million people died of hunger. Now the main thing for our country is to prevent GMOs from entering our country. Otherwise, in the beginning we will get large yields of bio-bread, and then we will work on mowing the weed, as it was in India. Not only is such bread harmful, the whole microflora dies out with it. And these are ants, bees ... Nutrition should be natural for each person.

[Vadim237]

The harmfulness of GMOs has not been proven by anyone - there is not a single serious scientific work it all boils down to "We think" "We believe" "Maybe" and so on.

[nikvic46]

Vadim. The concern that produces GMO preparations was forced to close. Who will lose their profit. The property was acquired by the German firm Bayer. But she received such a protest in Europe that she froze her assets. But there is a huge amount of this stuff in warehouses. Take what we don't want. There is an opportunity to buy potato seeds, which are not attacked by the Colorado potato beetle. It is around such a potato that a dead aura forms. In such areas it is simply not good to use dubious biology.

[AML]

Quote: don carleone

This attitude towards Russian peasants, who rebelled against the surplus appropriation system (the use of which, by the way, the authorities unjustifiably delayed, which by that time had already been officially recognized), as to some harmful creatures, seemingly without human status, says a lot. But even more monstrous was the second order, given eleven days later, on June 23, 1921:

Yes, straight to the Russian peasants. It was still a struggle with the consequences of the abolition of serfdom, when the peasants were kind of given freedom, but kind of taxed so that in fact the latter was taken away. For example, the mayor will come to you and say that the city gives you 10 hectares of landfill, which you cannot sell, but must pay 500 thousand a month in tax. And since you are like a falcon, the city meets halfway and gives a loan for this business at 100% per annum. Formally, you have land, but in reality, for that kind of money, it doesn’t fit you, but you cannot refuse such a “generous” gift.

It was on this wave that those whom you call "peasants" appeared, and among the common people there were kulaks. The famine of the early 20th century did not form out of the blue and was not at all connected with weather events.

[Vadim237]

Prodrazvorstka the death of almost 2 million men in the war and the same number of wounded, plus a civil war that still claimed several million lives, so what and CX went to the expense from 1917 to the maximum, so in the early 20s what they got.

[garik77]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: paul3390

... What would become of Tsarist Russia, so adored by our upper ones, if she received such a blow from a united Europe - it's even scary to imagine

You can imagine .. They will disconnect from SWIFT, ban the sale of seeds, equipment, medicines, electronics, and immediately feel what has been done in 30 years .. We already feel it, although the sanctions are mostly personal.

And in response, they will turn off the gas, oil will stop flowing through the pipes. And much more.
Fuck shit, Mr. Liberalist. Nobody will shoot themselves in the leg. Everything that could really be done has already been done, banning long loans in 2014, and everything else is fucked up.