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Ukrainian expert: Experience in the use of Bayraktar-TB2 UAVs in Karabakh should be "homework" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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Ukrainian expert: Experience in the use of Bayraktar-TB2 UAVs in Karabakh should be "homework" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Serhiy Zgurets, who is proclaimed a military expert in Ukraine, presented a material that speaks of the need for the Ukrainian armed forces to carefully study the practice of using Bayraktar drones for its possible (practice) use in the future. Zgurets recalled that the Turkish Bayraktar-TB2 showed themselves in Libya, Syria and Nagorno-Karabakh, and that such strike-reconnaissance UAVs are already in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


The Ukrainian military expert points to the tactics used by the Azerbaijani army during the hostilities in Karabakh - in terms of the use of UAVs. The basis of this tactic was the simultaneous presence of 8 to 15 Bayraktar drones in the air (excluding other UAVs, including the An-2 aircraft converted into unmanned aerial vehicles), which made it possible to effectively cope with Armenian air defense systems.

Zgurets:

Target identification and destruction was ensured both during planned reconnaissance flights of unmanned aerial vehicles along the defense line of the Nagorno-Karabakh army forces, and thanks to the actions of sabotage and reconnaissance groups of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces located in the territory controlled by the enemy - with the transfer of coordinates of detected targets using satellite navigation systems and means of secure communication.



According to Zgurts, the Ukrainian military command should adopt the use of Bayraktars "with optimal adaptation to the future needs of troops on the battlefield." The Ukrainian military expert calls this "homework for the Ukrainian Armed Forces."

In his opinion, it consists not only in increasing the number of Bayraktar TB2 drones, but in the need to act on the battlefield outside the box "taking into account the strengths and weaknesses of the enemy."

Zgurets proclaims five stages of "homework for the Armed Forces of Ukraine", based on the experience of using these drones in Karabakh. The first is to come to an agreement with Ankara and the location of the Bayraktar production in Ukraine, the second is to develop a standard range of laser seeker (homing heads) to equip air-to-ground ammunition. The third is to determine the list of suitable means of destruction, having studied, among other things, the work of Russia on the Hermes project. Fourth, to analyze domestic electronic warfare equipment and foreign-made developments. Fifth, to determine the optimal models for building reconnaissance-strike and reconnaissance-fire complexes in the Armed Forces of Ukraine to destroy the enemy's combat potential - taking into account the new capabilities of the UAV.

As you can see, Ukrainian experts do not leave the thought that the armed conflict must be resolved by military means. These experts prefer not to think about the consequences of an attempt at such a decision, seriously believing that a dozen or two Turkish drones will allow Kiev to achieve military goals.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 11 January 2021 09: 05
    +10
    They did not finish off the Banderieu in the 15th. We got sanctions anyway. Now you have to additionally unwind.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 11 January 2021 09: 30
      +2
      “In Karabakh, Azerbaijanis used Turkish multiple launch rocket systems with the latest high-precision TRLG-230 missiles with satellite control and laser guidance from Roketsan. Target designation was given by Bayraktar TB2. In fact, the missiles passed the first combat tests in Karabakh. Hit Accuracy 100% ".
      1. venik
        venik 11 January 2021 12: 23
        +3
        Quote: Nasr
        In Karabakh, Azerbaijanis used Turkish multiple launch rocket systems with the latest high-precision TRLG-230 missiles

        ========
        Honestly, Evlampy Spiridonovich, such information did not come across ..... Moreover, the TRLG-230 tests took place at the very end of August and the beginning of September. Those. just 2-3 weeks before the start of the active phase of the conflict! Although .... Anything is possible, especially since the TRLG-230 system was installed for some reason on the chassis ..... KamAZ-63501 !!!

        Funny, isn't it? Maybe they were preparing in advance to deliver several complexes to Azerbaijan?
        ---------
        Quote: Nasr
        with the latest high-precision missiles TRLG-230 with satellite control

        =========
        belay Perhaps you were referring to the satellite navigation system (GPS) in the middle of the trajectory?
        -------
        Quote: Nasr
        Hit accuracy 100%

        =========
        belay This is impossible, from the word GENERAL! As the "son of a Turkish citizen Ostap Ibrahimovich Bender-Bey" said: "A 100% guarantee is given only by the State Insurance policy, and then only in the event of the death of the insured"!
        As the science "Probability Theory and Mathematical Statistics" teaches us: "100% probability is possible only when infinitely large a series of experiments giving the same result"And since this is IMPOSSIBLE (from the word - AT ALL!) ... So, accordingly, neither a zero, nor one hundred percent probability in nature CANNOT exist!
        In fact, with "laser guidance", the usual probability of hitting a target (even in the absence of random and organized (natural and artificial) interference (i.e. - in the optimal case) - is usually about 0.7 - 0.9 (i.e. 70 -90%) ...
        By the way, quite recently, the Americans were able to hit a point target with an Excalibur (a very well-developed and high-quality shell) from a new howitzer - only on the third attempt!
        hi
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos 11 January 2021 15: 15
          0
          Quote: venik
          the Americans were able to hit with the Excalibur (a very well-developed and high-quality projectile) into a point target from a new howitzer - only on the third attempt!

          the standard hit the first time. Range 70 km. For a new product, for a record range. The truth is stationary.
          During the tests of the howitzer, three rounds were fired and only the third shot hit the target. The first shot was fired by the corrected (with inertial-satellite guidance) projectile XM1113 RAP with the new "supercharge" XM654. Deviation from the target was 200 meters. The second shot was fired by an upgraded 155 mm M982A1 Excalibur extended range guided active-reactive projectile. The target was also not hit, the cause was a hardware problem.
          The third shot was fired with a conventional 155-mm M982A1 Excalibur long-range guided active-rocket projectile, so it hit the ground target.

          Military Review. December 2020
    2. halpat
      halpat 11 January 2021 10: 14
      -2
      There is no doubt that the "homework" will not be done.
      1. frruc
        frruc 11 January 2021 10: 53
        +2
        According to Zgurts, the Ukrainian military command should adopt the use of Bayraktars "with optimal adaptation to the future needs of troops on the battlefield."

        And where did this imperfect see the battlefield? If in the east, then it may turn into a big tragedy for the outskirts.
        1. Machito
          Machito 11 January 2021 15: 04
          +3
          Someone else's success in Karabakh is spinning the heads of Ukrainian sofa strategists. Even the United States cannot defeat the Russians in Donbass, because the Russian Federation will have to use an operation to enforce peace to protect compatriots, and it is only 60 km to Kharkov from the Russian border, an hour's drive for tanks, and the entire Ukroverrmacht grouping will fall into the Russian Cauldron with complete domination in the air of the VKS.
    3. Looking for
      Looking for 11 January 2021 17: 34
      0
      But there was a real opportunity !!!
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 11 January 2021 23: 02
        +2
        Quote: Seeker
        But there was a real opportunity !!!

        Conditionally it was, but really not.
        But now, when more than 200 thousand people there have received passports of Russian citizens, the real possibility of military intervention is acquiring quite an objective reason, scale and arguments. In the case of non-intervention now, the Kremlin's logic in issuing passports will be difficult, if not impossible, to understand.
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 12 January 2021 00: 50
      0
      Did not finish off the Banderieu in the 15th
      more precisely 76-78 years ago, they have already set up three new generations in their cozy western "apartments ..." :)
  2. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 09: 12
    0
    If Donbass does not have normal air defense systems, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine may well repeat the Karabakh scenario in Donbas
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 11 January 2021 09: 18
      +4
      And they will not have air defense systems. What's next?
      1. Alexander Galaktionov
        Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 09: 20
        -3
        There will be no air defense, maybe the fate of Karabakh
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 11 January 2021 09: 21
          -1
          About that and speech. Therefore, the Svidomites were so excited.
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 11 January 2021 09: 27
        +1
        What's next?
        Then there is the "threat to Ukrainian statehood." Although this one: "five stages of homework for the APU" the current one is extremely enough to squirm for a hundred years
        1. Alexander Galaktionov
          Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 09: 37
          +2
          The threat to Ukrainian statehood, well, as long as I am the president of raising the retirement age and? , I could say so about the threat to Ukrainian statehood
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 11 January 2021 09: 46
            -4
            I could say so about the threat to Ukrainian statehood
            Our retirement age is their earnings, and the blow of the Armed Forces to Donbass is their financial losses. So everything remains within the framework of the beneficiaries. For their tears.
            1. Alexander Galaktionov
              Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 09: 52
              +1
              Did Khodakovsky even dig up the 2nd and 3rd line of defense in Donbas?)
              1. NDR-791
                NDR-791 11 January 2021 09: 57
                0
                It was as if it was dug up in Karabakh like in Swiss cheese. Nifiga didn't help. It turns out our fate is to wait for the first blow
                1. Alexander Galaktionov
                  Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 09: 59
                  +2
                  Normal, trenches, dugouts and not getting crowded help
      3. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 11 January 2021 14: 20
        +3
        Who said that we have no air defense in Donbass?))

        I was personally present when a drone was shot down, for example.
    2. lwxx
      lwxx 11 January 2021 09: 20
      +5
      If Donbass does not have normal air defense systems, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine may well repeat the Karabakh scenario in Donbas
      Homework is not only for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but for all other participants in the database. Although ours began to study (hopefully) from Syria.
      1. Alexander Galaktionov
        Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 09: 25
        +1
        I think our General Staff also draws conclusions on the war in Karabakh, the technique is already different and it will not work to fill everyone with hats
    3. Dread
      Dread 11 January 2021 10: 12
      +5
      Alexander Galaktionov - Russia can introduce a no-fly zone over the territory of Donbass! In response to the use of UAVs in Donbas, and violations of the Minsk agreements.
      1. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 11 January 2021 12: 05
        0
        Russia can introduce a no-fly zone over the territory of Donbass! In response to the use of UAVs in Donbas, and violations of the Minsk agreements.


        And only then? In Syria, was it imposed on the Israelites, and did it greatly interfere? Are we going to shoot the sparrows with cannons?
        1. Quadro
          Quadro 11 January 2021 13: 42
          +2
          Quote: Petro_tut
          Russia can introduce a no-fly zone over the territory of Donbass! In response to the use of UAVs in Donbas, and violations of the Minsk agreements.


          And only then? In Syria, was it imposed on the Israelites, and did it greatly interfere? Are we going to shoot the sparrows with cannons?

          What?! You are generally aware that Israel does not climb into our no-fly zones, no one climbs. And they hit and fly around the Iranians and Syrians.
        2. Dread
          Dread 11 January 2021 15: 01
          -2
          Quote: Petro_tut
          And only then? In Syria, was it imposed on the Israelites, too?

          Dear - according to the agreement between Netanyahu and Putin, this never happened and never happened.
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 12 January 2021 00: 53
      -3
      If Donbass does not have normal air defense systems
      and who will pay for "normal air defense systems" !? Vasya near Tomsk, or Akhmet near Moscow ??? Or maybe the very local oligarchs of the DPR / LPR, who so reverently listened to the idea of ​​neighbors, in the area: sovereignty from Kiev, but within Ukraine ....? :)))
  3. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 11 January 2021 09: 12
    +5
    Behind every "Croatian" or "Karabakh" experience there are at least five Georgian 08.08.08.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 11 January 2021 09: 20
      -2
      Don't lie. So far 2: 1 is not in our favor.
      Or name all ten Georgian scenarios. I'm looking forward to it.
      1. Fedor Sokolov
        Fedor Sokolov 11 January 2021 09: 22
        +3
        Not in your (Georgian)! And it will never be in yours, because ours is always a cut above!
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 11 January 2021 09: 36
          -2
          I am still waiting for 10 analogs 08.08.08.
          Otherwise, you will have to publicly admit that you lied.
        2. Pereira
          Pereira 11 January 2021 09: 40
          -5
          And further. The score is 3: 1. In addition to Krajina, the Serbs lost Kosovo.
  4. Alexander Galaktionov
    Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 09: 14
    +2
    I watched the Var Gonzo video, they dismantled the Bayraktar UAV, both in Syria and in Nagorno-Karabakh
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 11 January 2021 09: 35
      +8
      Watched Var Gonzo video
      On this Var gonzo and the Karabakh army ran every day, and Shusha held out ... Then it suddenly became clear that "not quite so." Whatever they said there.
      And the fact that Bayraktar is being studied by cogs is obvious even without "Vargonza"
      1. Alexander Galaktionov
        Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 09: 50
        -2
        There was a victory))) it will be on the conscience of Var Gonzo
      2. Ka-52
        Ka-52 11 January 2021 09: 51
        +9
        And the fact that Bayraktar is being studied by cogs is obvious even without "Vargonza"

        what to study there? Tea is not that complicated and this binder is complicated. Maybe optics for curiosity and a signal encryption system
        1. three
          three 11 January 2021 13: 21
          -1
          Signal and target designation. Actually, our GSh (or SAM), IMHO, about ... fucking the moment when it was possible to calmly practice in the fight against modern UAVs and even guaranteed without reputational losses. Small pluses for peacekeepers, Ministry of Emergency Situations and sappers would block a fat plus in the experience of countering drones.
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 12 January 2021 04: 51
            +1
            Actually, our GS

            knowing the system from the inside is not at all surprised. Until now, there are few people among the generals and among the leaders of the UAC who are capable of predicting trends.
  5. antivirus
    antivirus 11 January 2021 09: 21
    -1
    the experience of overcoming the cordon sanitaire in the 20-30s is relevant. there was not then and now there will be no good trade in Western Europe without the pacification of Europe.
  6. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 January 2021 09: 31
    +6
    Judging by the statements, every farmer in Ukraine is a potential ,, ExpED ,,
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 11 January 2021 11: 43
      +2
      Well, the thoughts are generally sound, actually.
  7. Egoza
    Egoza 11 January 2021 09: 31
    +5
    not only in increasing the number of Bayraktar TB2 drones, but in the need to act on the battlefield outside the box "taking into account the strengths and weaknesses of the enemy."

    It is so, but where are the brains to take to act outside the box!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 12 January 2021 00: 56
      0
      just where to get the brains to act outside the box
      it is necessary to grow (feed and teach ..) these very brains, and not wait that it will be possible to take them suddenly and upon request, when it is required ... :)))
  8. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 11 January 2021 09: 34
    +2
    "The first is to come to an agreement with Ankara and the location of the Bayraktar production in Ukraine, the second is to develop a standard range of laser seeker (homing heads) for equipping air-to-ground ammunition. Third, to determine the list of suitable weapons, having studied the work Russia on the Hermes project. Fourth - to analyze domestic electronic warfare systems and foreign-made developments. Fifth - to determine the optimal models for building reconnaissance-strike and reconnaissance-fire complexes in the Armed Forces of Ukraine to destroy the enemy's combat potential - taking into account the new capabilities of the UAV. "- I forgot about one, Russia will be against it. And it will turn out like with the preparation of a secret operation to defend the Crimea from the Russians ... repeat laughing
  9. cniza
    cniza 11 January 2021 09: 37
    +3
    As you can see, Ukrainian experts do not leave the thought that the armed conflict must be resolved by military means. These experts prefer not to think about the consequences of an attempt at such a decision, seriously believing that a dozen or two Turkish drones will allow Kiev to achieve military goals.


    Yes, they were not childishly excited ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 January 2021 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      Yes, they were not childishly excited ...

      Gorilka with tobacco and dust is very exciting.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 January 2021 09: 48
    0
    This experience can become an experience in the cessation of the existence of banderlogy as a state.
    1. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov 11 January 2021 09: 55
      -1
      We don’t need to cover everyone with hats
      1. Dread
        Dread 11 January 2021 10: 38
        -3
        Quote: Alexander Galaktionov
        We don’t need to cover everyone with hats

        And not only with hats, we can help Donbass and air defense systems, including the latest ones. It all depends on the situation - there are a lot of options and it is not necessary from the UAV, with its RCS more than 0,5 sq. meters, make myths and write fairy tales.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 12 January 2021 00: 57
        -3
        we will shower everyone with hats
        yeah, exactly .... we'll throw it :))) So far, we are not throwing anyone, but simply watching the success of our geopolitical partners !!!
  11. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 January 2021 09: 56
    0
    Zgurets proclaims five stages of "homework for the Armed Forces of Ukraine", based on the experience of using these drones in Karabakh.

    There is no money for a vaccine against caronavirus, and you will have to complete your homework manually (with your right hand).
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 January 2021 10: 03
    +4
    I wonder if they are ready for the DPR and LPR to have such drones? An operation similar to the Turkish one can go the other way ...
  13. Glory to Berkut
    Glory to Berkut 11 January 2021 10: 04
    +5
    Somewhere now, a young Ukrainian veteran thought: "And then again unknown missiles will arrive, and run like scalded between the boilers ..."
  14. Guru
    Guru 11 January 2021 10: 12
    +3
    The third is to determine the list of suitable means of destruction, having studied, among other things, the work of Russia on the Hermes project.
    And who will let you study the Russian project "Hermes" belay
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 11 January 2021 10: 14
    +2
    Sergei Zgurets, who is proclaimed a military expert in Ukraine, for some reason kept silent about the amount that cost Baku the use of Bayraktar-TB2 with homing missiles
  16. Tagan
    Tagan 11 January 2021 10: 35
    +2
    homework for the land of unlearned lessons. Where there ...
  17. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 January 2021 10: 49
    -2
    "Homework for the APU"
    Homework for the Armed Forces should be as follows - dig a trench deeper and sit quietly in it, not rock the boat, and not dream of the Crimea, the Kuban and the parade on Red Square. After the Azerbaijani-Armenian war, a new trend appeared - Turkish UAVs, which some are already praying for as the only opportunity for the army's combat readiness.
  18. Dimide
    Dimide 11 January 2021 11: 12
    -2
    I read the original article, intelligent analytics. On VO is a brief summary. Plus examples of Ukrainian enterprises that manufacture analogues of Bayraktar TB2 components are given
  19. Kapkan
    Kapkan 11 January 2021 11: 33
    +1
    Ukrainian expert: Experience in the use of Bayraktar-TB2 UAVs in Karabakh should be "homework" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    And what, next to Ukraine, there is some country as weak as Armenia with which it would be in contradiction?
  20. Dimon71
    Dimon71 11 January 2021 11: 40
    +2
    Bayraktars rose into the sky after the Jewish military-space intelligence gave the Turks all the coordinates of the air defense of Karabakh to the Azerbaijanis. As they say, not so selenium Bayraktar as the stupidity and betrayal of the Military-Political Leadership of Armenia. Aliyev won the war on the shoulders of Pashayev. Since, say, 20000 defense army NKR hasn’t saved any bairaktars !!!!
  21. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 11 January 2021 14: 17
    +1
    Ukrainian expert: Experience in the use of Bayraktar-TB2 UAVs in Karabakh should be "homework" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine


    And when they start falling from the sky in batches, what will they say?
    D \ s not fulfilled, sit down Little Johnny, deuce? laughing
  22. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 11 January 2021 16: 11
    +2
    Once the militia did not have tanks, but now they do. And if now there are no necessary air defense systems, they will appear. Will our specialists miss this opportunity? And in general, we have a military doctrine - to hit the decision-making centers, and not the bayraktar ...
  23. Vanyusha
    Vanyusha 11 January 2021 21: 25
    0
    Shouldn't I secretly buy from a friend Netanyahu a hundred - another one for the LDNR - so that they could sleep peacefully?
  24. wow
    wow 12 January 2021 00: 47
    0
    And the "Ukrainian military command" is smart enough ...?
  25. businessv
    businessv 12 January 2021 19: 27
    0
    Fifth, to determine the optimal models for building reconnaissance-strike and reconnaissance-fire complexes in the Armed Forces of Ukraine to destroy the enemy's combat potential - taking into account the new capabilities of the UAV.
    I wonder where this captain obviously plans to take money for all these Wishlist? And the main question - he seriously believes that this flying Turkish "miracle" will be able to solve the Donbass issue ?!