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The United States said that the stealth destroyer Zumwalt is turning into an "expensive gunboat"

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The United States said that the stealth destroyer Zumwalt is turning into an "expensive gunboat"

In the United States, questions have raised questions about the nature of the training that was conducted at the end of 2020 by the stealth missile destroyer USS Zumwalt. In the publications of the American media it is reported that the newest warship of the US Navy has worked out firing using the Mk-46 Mod.2 GWS combat module. At the same time, it is specified that firing during the training was carried out from 30-mm artillery mounts Mk44 Bushmaster II "in several directions of attack."


These statements served as another reason for criticism of the program of using the latest destroyer by the US naval forces.

So, it is noted, the ship, the creation program of which costs the United States billions of dollars, and which was originally positioned as one of the main strike assets of the US Navy, capable of destroying coastal infrastructure and large enemy warships from long distances, today is turning into "an expensive artillery boat" ... Much of what was originally planned to be installed on the ship (including from radar equipment and weapons) was either not installed, or was completely removed after the initial installation.

The skepticism is connected with the fact that the trainings of the stealth destroyer Zamvolt are carried out without the use of its powerful missile weapons, but with the use of only the aforementioned 30-mm ship-based cannons.

In this regard, the United States notes that it is highly likely that the forecasts for the transformation of Zumwalt-class ships from missile strike destroyers of the far ocean zone into landing support ships will come true. Earlier, the command of the US Navy made statements that due to "the complexity with some weapons of the Zamvolt, it may be reoriented to support operations for the operations of the Marine Corps."

It should be recalled that it was originally planned to order 32 ships of this class for the US Navy. Then, when problems began to appear one after another (including with infinitely inflated costs), the Pentagon decided to moderate its appetites. So far, they agree on the version that 3-4 Zamvolts will be enough.

But until now, the American command does not have a unified position on the nature of the applicability of these super-expensive destroyers. Training with firing from 30-mm cannons allowed skeptics to reactivate, who not only called the Zamvolt an “expensive artillery boat,” but also considered that the Pentagon has recently begun to frequently experience problems with planning and controlling expenditures on ambitious military technical projects.
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  1. nnm
    nnm 10 January 2021 19: 29
    +7
    It's time for Ukraine to sell on credit!
    1. Machito
      Machito 10 January 2021 19: 54
      +12
      All of this stealth technology is a pretty big hoax. In order for the ship not to be detected by any locator in the entire radio frequency range, it must be annihilated into atoms with all weapons and crew. But it has no analogue in the world. All the directors of the Military Acceptance like us. Apparently, American R&D loves to cut budget loot worse than ours. However, it's too early to hit the timpani: they have eight dozen conventional rocket Arleigh Berks, and so far we are not building anything larger than a frigate.
      1. nnm
        nnm 10 January 2021 20: 00
        -15%
        And the destroyer, isn't it an intermediate link between the corvette and the frigate?
        I understand that the edges are more and more erased, but still ... or am I mistaken?
        Although, as I understand it, our project 22350 has a total displacement less than these American destroyers.
        But the fact that, unfortunately, we are very far from the number of pennants is a fact.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 10 January 2021 20: 05
          +9
          First, in ascending order, there are corvettes, then frigates and then destroyers, then cruisers follow, but now they are no longer being built, at least surface ones (we will take out the submarine cruisers).
          1. nnm
            nnm 10 January 2021 20: 07
            -2
            Thank you. Is there silence with our "Leader"?
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 10 January 2021 20: 13
              +5
              Do you mean the project of the destroyer Leader or the project of the icebreaker Leader? If the destroyer is the Leader, then the project is initially expensive and insane. They abandoned it. The displacement is too great and the nuclear reactor on this essentially cruiser. On the basis of the project 22350 frigate, they will create a project of the 22350M destroyer with a displacement of 7000-8000 tons instead of the Leader.
              1. nnm
                nnm 10 January 2021 20: 15
                +1
                Yes, I asked about the destroyer. Clear.
                1. Civil
                  Civil 10 January 2021 20: 31
                  +7
                  the project was a failure, Zumwalt is more of a technology demonstrator
                  1. Mitroha
                    Mitroha 10 January 2021 21: 55
                    +7
                    Fuck that boat. Even in Ukraine they don't know how so far
                  2. abc_alex
                    abc_alex 10 January 2021 23: 47
                    +11
                    Which ones? Installing guns on a ship? Or making balsa craft? Let's be objective, there is nothing to demonstrate in Zumwalt. All the technologies that were involved in its creation have been known for a long time. And the promising thing that was supposed to be demonstrated on it turned out to be ... mmm ... let's say, it was announced somewhat hastily. Now Zumwalt is a ship the size of a cruiser, it is one and a half times larger than Ticonderoga, successfully demonstrating only one technology - "papil dough".
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 11 January 2021 14: 53
                      +4
                      demonstrates with success only one technology - "papil dough".

                      For that with WHAT success. At this price, and a really incapacitated ship ...
              2. Hermit21
                Hermit21 10 January 2021 21: 10
                -3
                Nobody refused him. It's just that it's not yet the turn
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 10 January 2021 21: 31
                  +4
                  Quote: Hermit21
                  Nobody refused him. It's just that it's not yet the turn


                  Of course it didn't. We didn't figure it out with 22350M. And then so immediately. Although it is unlikely that at that time the Leader-1 project would be of interest to anyone.
                  A promising nuclear destroyer is not even discussed now, this is a distant future, added an industry source Mil.Press FlotProm. "Now the de facto design has been suspended, the corresponding decision has been made in the shipbuilding department of the Navy. They plan to return to work later, so as not to jump from frigates (like" Admiral Gorshkov "- ed.) With a displacement of 5400 tons to destroyers with a displacement of 19 tons," he concluded he.
                  An intermediate link between the serial frigates of Project 22350 and the destroyers created within the framework of the ROC "Leader-1" will be the "Super-Gorshkovs" - frigates with increased displacement of Project 22350M. The preliminary design of the "grown" frigate was successfully completed by SPKB at the end of last year. The head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, Alexei Rakhmanov, said in December 2019 that they plan to complete (technical and working - ed.) The design of the project 22350M ship by 2022. After that, you can expect bookmarks.

                  https://flotprom.ru/2020/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%B03/
              3. MstislavHrabr
                MstislavHrabr 10 January 2021 21: 26
                -6
                Since there is a mini atomic bomb, why not make a mini nuclear reactor?
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 10 January 2021 21: 34
                  0
                  Quote: MstislavHrabr
                  Since there is a mini atomic bomb, why not make a mini nuclear reactor?


                  Is that you for me? Read my post with a quote about the Leader-1 project above.
                2. PN
                  PN 10 January 2021 21: 53
                  +6
                  Quote: MstislavHrabr
                  Since there is a mini atomic bomb, why not make a mini nuclear reactor?

                  In fact, they have been around for a long time. Yes, and the "classic", as on the apple, is not so big.
                3. AVA77
                  AVA77 10 January 2021 22: 23
                  -1
                  And what's so sour, mini. Better right away
                  Nano, Chubais will help if that laughing
                  1. HUNTERDON
                    HUNTERDON 11 January 2021 11: 20
                    0
                    Chub won't help anymore, he has a different job now.
              4. A_Lex
                A_Lex 10 January 2021 21: 56
                -1
                On the basis of the frigate of project 22350 will create a project of the destroyer 22350M


                About 22350M it will be possible to start talking seriously after the head is launched. And given the current pace of construction, in any case, the descent will not occur in this decade.
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 10 January 2021 22: 07
                  0
                  Well, why? If they accelerate and lay the head 22350M in 2023, then by 2030 they will have enough time to launch. There really are questions about the engines, but I think they will decide.
                  1. A_Lex
                    A_Lex 11 January 2021 02: 11
                    +3
                    If they accelerate and lay the head 22350M in 2023


                    22350 are launched on average after 5 years. So this one is not less than 6 years old. Plus the headache means something will go wrong. 2023 sounds a little too optimistic. It is not clear at all why such optimism about acceleration. Judging by the way everything else is being built, no one is in a particular hurry. Well, the main point - judging by the preliminary data, the 22350M is really something worthwhile and, moreover, of the ocean class. Consequently, it is unlikely to be built at all, given the tendency to build either not what is needed, or what is needed, but such that does not work as it should.
            2. Machito
              Machito 10 January 2021 20: 34
              +5
              Quote: nnm
              Thank you. Is there silence with our "Leader"?

              Tc !!! stop Do not shout like that !!! And then wake up the admirals for cutting the budget !!!
              Klimov and Timokhin will not forgive you then. They have been hacking for years so that we have corvettes, frigates, minesweepers in a large series to cover the borders and SSBNs, and give you a wunderwaffe.
              1. nnm
                nnm 10 January 2021 20: 49
                +1
                But, as I understand it, we need ships of all classes and ranks if we want to ensure the country's security.
                1. Machito
                  Machito 10 January 2021 21: 28
                  +7
                  Best the enemy of the good. The destroyer is a ship of the far sea zone, oceanic, and we have nothing to cover the ports with. To begin with, you need a well-developed comprehensive strategy for the development of the fleet (after Tsushima, naval officers developed the concept of our fleet, and they fought with it in WWI). Then you need to cover your borders, the ports of the Northern Sea Route, the areas of deployment of nuclear submarine missile carriers. After that, you can think about pinching the foe in the vastness of the Ocean Father with the Leader nuclear destroyers. Now he is not needed in FIG. Although in the future a pair of such destroyers will not be superfluous to escort the cruiser Admiral Nakhimov to the shores of Cuba.
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 10 January 2021 21: 46
                    +5
                    I do not mean that we need to build or one or the other, on the contrary, I mean that we need to develop all the components of the fleet at the same time. And not just the fleet. And talk about the fact that there is no money is a lie. Especially after the sale of Sberbank to ourselves for $ 2.3 trillion and changing its logo for $ 350 million.
                    1. Machito
                      Machito 10 January 2021 22: 20
                      +8
                      Sberbank is a separate scam. With land equipment, everything is more or less good (in Syria, they ran it in, tested it, showed everyone, in the Far East they conducted exercises of a 300-strong group, in two weeks they threw it, without advertising, without damage to the economy, the Chinese eyes became round). Aviation is being restored, but it's going hard. Strategic nuclear forces - top five (only at their expense and we hold on, otherwise sworn partners would roll into the asphalt). Air defense and missile defense are the best in the world. The fleet is the most expensive pleasure, ugly duckling, and the shores of our borders are the longest in the world. The authors of VO Klimov and Timokhin constantly raise the topic of fleet development. Klimov constantly writes to the Minister of Defense, but he is stupidly kicked off. It's so nice to cut the budget. Klimov reminds me of Kolchak after the Arctic expeditions, but before WWI. And most importantly, he has a clear concept for the development of the fleet for modest money allocated by the budget (the oligarchs also need billions for yachts). Read his articles, outline theses and names of products, learn a lot of new things.
                      1. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 10 January 2021 23: 50
                        -2
                        Quote: Bearded
                        The fleet is the most expensive pleasure, ugly duckling, and the shores of our borders are the longest in the world.

                        let's use logic. who used the large fleet to guard the borders? let's be honest, nobody. the protection of sea borders is carried out by ships of small tonnage as part of coastal defense. so why do we need a large fleet? to control overseas colonies. do we have many overseas colonies? probably not. one of those to guard with a large fleet, perhaps Venezuela, and that is very conditional.
                        here one comrade wrote that 70% of trade traffic is by sea, but whose? our? so no. we have oil and gas pipelines and the EU with China, in short everything is close at hand and is serviced almost without a fleet. request
                        using logic and rational thinking, I come to the conclusion that first of all it is necessary to ensure control of the borders, and for this, corvettes with frigates are enough. when this is done, you can think about the expeditionary corps. for him already destroyers and large landing ships are needed.
                        and so, for one AUG \ KUG we have a fleet and this is enough for the projection of force. if we talk about raids along trade routes, in the event of a conflict, then submarines are much better suited for this than a large formation. request
                      2. Alien From
                        Alien From 11 January 2021 21: 29
                        0
                        The fact is that we have nothing to cover the deployment of our strategists ... and here are the distant sea zones ........
                      3. Intruder
                        Intruder 12 January 2021 03: 38
                        0
                        when this is done, you can think about the expeditionary force
                        and where to send it, then, to the penguins !? carry this very democracy ??? :)))
                        in case of conflict
                        Again, what theater and in what theater, obviously not with the barmaley in the Samali region to fight, there was always enough BDK, well, maybe keep a couple more turntables to throw specialists on a dark night and hang drones over the coast and only ...
                      4. Sanichsan
                        Sanichsan 12 January 2021 23: 26
                        -2
                        Quote: Intruder
                        and where to send it, then, to the penguins !? carry this very democracy ??? :)))

                        that is, it is obvious to you that Russia has no goals for a large fleet now? I agree in principle.
                        Speaking of penguins, not really about them, but rather about polar bears wink sowing the sea route is a very relevant infrastructure project, but there, again, we do not need aircraft carriers and destroyers. there an icebreaker fleet is needed and by the way they are working on it.
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                  2. atakan
                    atakan 12 January 2021 12: 45
                    -1
                    ... so why do we need a large fleet? to control overseas colonies. do we have many overseas colonies?

                    I also think we will see such a situation, our entire civilian fleet will be arrested under ridiculous pretexts, and there will be nothing to send to help out, not by submarines. And the voice will be overstrained in the Kremlin. And if ours send something, the Turks will drown them like our reconnaissance ship with a ram.
              2. Alex777
                Alex777 10 January 2021 22: 29
                +5
                I am saying that we need to develop all components of the fleet at the same time.

                And we also need to develop all the components of strategic nuclear forces at the same time. And there are Sarmatians, and Vanguards, and Yars.
                The ground forces need to be re-equipped with the Armata, Coalition, Boomerangs, S-500, etc.
                At the same time, it is necessary to build Tu-160, PAK DA, PAK DP, Su-57 200 pcs. and hypersonic weapons for it all.
                All at the same time. wink
            3. Graz
              Graz 11 January 2021 05: 48
              -1
              ports should be covered not with ships, but with coastal missile systems, preferably which are not fired at the unfortunate 200-300 km, but, like the Chinese, at 1500-2000 km, and by combat aviation
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 12 January 2021 03: 41
                0
                ports should be covered not by ships, but by coastal missile systems
                Yes, you can also cover the maritime borders, if you have? also satellite reconnaissance and target designation, at the level of the former Soviet "Legends" and "Lear", only more and equipment of the latest, orbital technology ...
        2. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 10 January 2021 22: 58
          +3
          Quote: Bearded
          Klimov with Timokhin

          I support the respected Klimov and Timokhin, battleships disguised as destroyers are not needed, they became obsolete in 1905
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  3. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 10 January 2021 20: 09
    +1
    I always believed that the destroyer was the next class after the frigate. The boundaries between a frigate and a destroyer on the one hand, and a destroyer and a cruiser on the other have indeed been partially erased, including in terms of displacement, armament, combat capabilities, but nevertheless, the corvette should be equated to the destroyer ... Not to such an extent everything was mixed.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 10 January 2021 20: 55
      +3
      Quote: UAZ 452
      but still equate the corvette with the destroyer

      It was so 100 years ago. It was then that the destroyers began to grow.
    2. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 10 January 2021 23: 02
      0
      it is obvious for cutting that battleships are outdated, they push the battleship 1144 under the guise of a cruiser ... now they have abandoned unnecessary cruisers (battleships), obviously too expensive, vulnerable and solving the tasks of a coastal frigate-corvette, they push the battleship under the guise of a destroyer ... to cut the budget, .... but what is there to cut on minesweepers and MPC?
    3. Yuri V.A
      Yuri V.A 11 January 2021 02: 46
      0
      Everything was confused in the Oblonskys' house ..., the boundaries between the classes of ships were erased, how to distinguish? Speak exactly - how much to weigh in grams ?! Looks like we will return to the old vague classification - not a frigate / destroyer / cruiser, but a large rocket ship.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 12 January 2021 03: 44
        0
        Looks like we will return to the old vague classification - not a frigate / destroyer / cruiser, but a large rocket ship.
        so you can get to - a nuclear missile monitor and a missile defense / air defense gunboat !? :)))
        1. Yuri V.A
          Yuri V.A 12 January 2021 08: 33
          +2
          The message "Hey, on the monitor!" - will be perceived interestingly.
    4. Normal ok
      Normal ok 11 January 2021 10: 31
      +2
      Quote: UAZ 452
      I always believed that the destroyer was the next class after the frigate. The boundaries between a frigate and a destroyer on the one hand, and a destroyer and a cruiser on the other have indeed been partially erased, including in terms of displacement, armament, combat capabilities, but nevertheless, the corvette should be equated to the destroyer ... Not to such an extent everything was mixed.

      I will add that the class of ships that we call "destroyer" is called "Destroyer" in the West. This is what was called the "destroyer leader" in the Soviet WWII classification. A class of ships closely approaching light cruisers.
  4. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 10 January 2021 20: 13
    +3
    Quote: nnm
    And the destroyer, isn't it an intermediate link between the corvette and the frigate? ...

    No, Destroyers are a class of Rank 1 Ships, capable of performing a wider range of tasks compared to Frigates and Corvettes - Ships of Rank 2.
  5. Machito
    Machito 10 January 2021 20: 23
    +2
    A range of ships in terms of dimensions: small rocket ship, corvette, frigate, destroyer, cruiser.
  • Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 10 January 2021 20: 14
    +1
    It seems in a year or three they will finish modernizing the Nakhimov, I heard they stuff it with 300-400 missiles. There will be no one in the world wassat hi
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 10 January 2021 20: 26
      +1
      They promise in two years, by the end of 2022 and the beginning of 2023.
      The interest of Western "partners" in the ships of the Orlan project became clear after the details of the modernization of the Admiral Nakhimov heavy nuclear missile cruiser of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy appeared. The updated TARK will be the most powerful ship in the world, armed with 240 attack and 240 anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM).
      On August 19, 2020, Sevmash moved the Nakhimov to the outfitting embankment, after being pulled out of the loading basin, and started the second stage of work on improving the ship, according to project 1144.4. In 2021, he should enter the factory sea trials, and by the end of 2022 he will return to the fleet.

      https://topcor.ru/18074-240-udarnyh-raket-i-240-zur-pochemu-obnovlennyj-nahimov-budet-samym-moschnym-korablem-v-mire.html
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 10 January 2021 21: 31
        -5
        And what does Nakhimov have against torpedoes? Maybe the escort will protect him? Or bang and there is no super boat?
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 10 January 2021 21: 44
          +4
          Quote: MstislavHrabr
          And what does Nakhimov have against torpedoes? Maybe the escort will protect him? Or bang and there is no super boat?

          If you followed the link, you would know that the cruiser will receive a small-sized anti-submarine complex "Packet-NK" (4x4), designed to destroy enemy torpedoes and enemy submarines in the near zone.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 11 January 2021 00: 16
            -3
            The updated TARK will be the most powerful ship in the world, having in service 240 drums and 240 anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM).

            You are not too lazy to quote this bullshit? wink
            There are only 10 UKSK. Where did 240 "strike missiles" come from ?!
            Some cannot write, others can read.
            Brad. lol
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 11 January 2021 02: 37
              -1
              Quote: Alex777
              There are only 10 UKSK. Where did 240 "strike missiles" come from ?!

              and on the aircraft carrier 480 and not a single UKSK. request
              interesting, guess why? bully
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 11 January 2021 12: 15
                -1
                interesting, guess why?

                I will never guess why "Nakhimov" is compared with an aircraft carrier. bully
            2. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg 11 January 2021 09: 48
              0
              Quote: Alex777
              The updated TARK will be the most powerful ship in the world, having in service 240 drums and 240 anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM).

              You are not too lazy to quote this bullshit? wink
              There are only 10 UKSK. Where did 240 "strike missiles" come from ?!
              Some cannot write, others can read.
              Brad. lol

              Who told you that? "Nakhimov" will receive unified launchers UKSK 3S14 (30x8), which can launch missiles of various types, such as the ROC "Caliber", "Onyx" and the hypersonic "Zircon".
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 11 January 2021 12: 11
                0
                Who told you that? "Nakhimov" will receive unified PU UKSK 3S14 (30x8), which can launch missiles of various types, such as the ROC "Caliber", "Onyx" and the hypersonic "Zircon".

                This is nonsense of "Reporter" and his "journalists". yes Ask about materiel.
                Purchases for modernization. wink
                There is no and never will be 30 UKSK on Nakhimov.
                There are only 10 of them! Instead of 20 PU Granites.
                Total - 80 missiles on the cruiser in total.
                As for the air defense missiles, then, taking into account 6 Armor, there are significantly more than 240 of them.
                At the same time, there is no reliable data on the installation of Redoubt on the cruiser. hi
              2. Alex777
                Alex777 11 January 2021 18: 15
                -1
                Especially for you about the UKSK on "Nakhimov":
                https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1544307.html
                https://topwar.ru/66131-vooruzhenie-i-oborudovanie-priobretaemoe-dlya-modernizacii-admirala-nahimova.html
                And they are located as shown in the figure:

                So what can you see and estimate - where else 20 UKSK can be inserted there?
                There are enough storytellers. But not everything that you read can be believed. hi
                1. Orange bigg
                  Orange bigg 11 January 2021 18: 28
                  +1
                  And if you look at this picture?

                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 11 January 2021 18: 29
                    +1
                    And this is tops from dreamers.
                    Or have you heard anything about testing the Morpheus air defense missile system? laughing
                    Or did you find Polyment / Redoubt in your purchases? bully
                    Better to find and look at the photo of Nakhimov above in the dock. There are holes for UKSK 2 in groups of 2x2 and 3x2. In the place where I indicated.
                    Do you have any idea how much 10 UKSK costs for Nakhimov? wink
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 10 January 2021 21: 47
          -3
          Quote: MstislavHrabr
          And what does Nakhimov have against torpedoes? Maybe the escort will protect him? Or bang and there is no super boat?

          This is a disease ... First 1144, now 1444mmm ... there is a giant ship, but what it is for, no one can clearly explain ...
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 10 January 2021 21: 53
            +6
            This is not a disease. This is an achievement and pride in such a colossus with a displacement of 24 tons, built under the Soviet Union and essentially given new life during modernization.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 10 January 2021 22: 09
              -3
              pride in such a colossus with a displacement of 24000 tons ..

              Yes, it's not about the size, not about the displacement ... It's about the sense, the use ... Instead of four nuclear-powered cruisers, it was possible to build two nuclear-powered aircraft carriers of the Ulyanovsk type, the costs are comparable, the list of tasks and benefits for the fleet are incomparable. That's what it is about.
              But they certainly look incredible, impressive ...
              1. Orange bigg
                Orange bigg 10 January 2021 22: 19
                +3
                Instead of four nuclear cruisers, it was possible to build two nuclear-powered aircraft carriers of the Ulyanovsk type, the costs are comparable, the list of tasks and benefits for the fleet are incomparable. That's what it is about.

                And what will these aircraft carriers do with us? For what tasks? Even the Americans are thinking of abandoning their aircraft carriers, because the era of long-range hypersonic weapons is coming, where aircraft carriers are big targets. The aircraft carriers will go against the Papuans, but we are not going to fight the Papuans.
                1. Doccor18
                  Doccor18 10 January 2021 22: 28
                  -1
                  ... what will these aircraft carriers do with us? For what tasks? Even the Americans are thinking of giving up their aircraft carriers. After all, the era is coming ...

                  Project 1144 cruisers were built 40 years ago ...
                  But neither then, nor now do they fit into more than one fleet doctrine ...
                  For what tasks there are aircraft carriers, so many volumes have been written about it that only have time to read ...
                  And that before the Americans abandoned aircraft carriers, they knew, heard ... They have been abandoning them for 50 years ... But 10 Nimitz-type ships will replace 10 Ford-type ships ...
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 11 January 2021 16: 57
                    0
                    But neither then, nor now do they fit into more than one fleet doctrine ...

                    You are simply not aware of the history of the Russian fleet.
                    Both then and now there are specific tasks for cruisers.
                  2. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 11 January 2021 18: 49
                    0
                    Quote: Alex777
                    But neither then, nor now do they fit into more than one fleet doctrine ...

                    You are simply not aware of the history of the Russian fleet.
                    Both then and now there are specific tasks for cruisers.

                    There are challenges for cruisers, you're right. But don't generalize. Raiding and guarding convoys ... Hunting for submarines or tracking and destroying AUG ..?
                    It's about nuclear cruisers, which had excellent (for that time) air defense and 20 heavy anti-ship missiles. And also "Kirov" had a prohibitively high cost, complexity in construction and operation, and a deliberately small series. Even the mighty USSR was able to build only four ships ...
                    Let's compare these data with the cruiser pr. 1164. 64 against 96 missiles, 16 against 20 anti-ship missiles. The ship is more than 2 times smaller, 3 times cheaper, and the set of weapons is practically comparable .. The shipbuilders were assigned a task for nuclear ships: a BOD and a missile cruiser, then they were all combined together in one hull, having received the strongest non-aircraft carrier ship, with the same - the most expensive.
                    What am I for. Could the 4 aircraft carrier pr.1144 change the balance of power at sea? No.
                    The same funds could be used to build 12-15 multipurpose destroyers with normal universal VPUs or 2 nuclear multipurpose aircraft carriers. Both second options significantly increased the strength of the fleet, and, moreover, for the same funds.
                    We got the strongest ... diamond ship ...
                    There were many publications and now there are, where the nuclear cruiser single-handedly fought the American AUG and ... defeated it ...
                  3. Alex777
                    Alex777 11 January 2021 18: 57
                    0
                    Even the mighty USSR was able to build only four ships ...

                    There should have been 5 of them. As much as AUG was planned to have.
                    What am I for. Could the 4 aircraft carrier pr.1144 change the balance of power at sea? No.

                    They could. But the task was different.
                    The same funds could be used to build 12-15 multipurpose destroyers with normal universal VPU.

                    Why write nonsense? What are the WPUs? They were not there then. And there were only Granites rockets.
                    1144 was created at a time when all the weapons for anti-aircraft defense and air defense did not fit in 8000 tons.
                    Therefore, they built 1155 and 956 as an addition to each other.
                    And in 1144 everything fit. Although initially it was supposed to be a BOD with air defense. But when the VI restrictions had to be lifted, it increased to 25 Kt. hi
                  4. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 11 January 2021 20: 00
                    0
                    Why write nonsense?

                    Well, why are you so.
                    Each one thinks according to his knowledge and level of education.
                    What are the VPU? They were not there then. And only Granites were rockets ..

                    What are the VPU?
                    Work on them has been carried out since the first half of the 70s ... But at that time we also branded aircraft carriers "weapons of imperialism", and therefore gave priority to missile cruisers with mastodons of the Basalt-Granit type ... It is not possible to simultaneously develop several types of anti-ship missiles at once even the USSR could. If aircraft carriers began to be built from the end of the 50s, and anti-ship missiles were designed, if possible, light and subsonic, then UVPs in the domestic fleet would appear 15 years earlier than American ones.
                  5. Alex777
                    Alex777 11 January 2021 20: 19
                    0
                    Well, why are you so.

                    If ... the anti-ship missiles were designed, if possible, light and subsonic, then the anti-aircraft missiles in the domestic fleet would appear 15 years earlier than the American ones.

                    There are sites dedicated to "alternative history".
                    They talk about "if only" with enthusiasm.
                    Don't be offended - it's not mine.
                    IMHO Nakhimov was decided to modernize in the same amount and for the money at a time when the INF Treaty was still living quietly.
                    And Peter, most likely, will not do this.
                    It is cheaper to have land Zircons (Bastions) in quantity and cover them reliably on land. hi
              2. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 11 January 2021 19: 00
                -1
                History teaches that teaches nothing.
  • Machito
    Machito 10 January 2021 21: 41
    0
    He needs 2 more anti-submarine attack nuclear submarines, 1 nuclear submarine with cruise missiles, and it would be nice to Kuzya with a tanker and a tugboat.
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 10 January 2021 22: 02
    +2
    Stealth technology is not designed to "prevent the ship from being detected by any locator over the entire radio frequency range." They just diminish its radar signature.
  • Russobel
    Russobel 10 January 2021 22: 30
    0
    It's time for Ukraine to sell on credit!

    Why Sell?
    Such rubbish is usually given to Ukraine ...
    with one 30mm cannon.
  • BDRM 667
    BDRM 667 11 January 2021 04: 00
    +1
    Quote: nnm
    It's time for Ukraine to sell on credit!

    More correctly - in Leasing tongue



  • Alien From
    Alien From 11 January 2021 21: 14
    0
    I think Ukraine will not lose a little bit then in the territory ...... although they are not used to it ........
  • Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 10 January 2021 19: 31
    +7
    Cool what The artillery boat is worth over $ 4 billion. This is what the US military-industrial complex did well! More to build - Give a Squadron of Zamvolt class artillery boats! lol
    1. nnm
      nnm 10 January 2021 19: 34
      +4
      Moreover, 30 mm)))
    2. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 10 January 2021 20: 11
      +2
      Well, okay - problems with the radar make it very difficult to use missile weapons (perhaps with external target designation), but the main artillery caliber - 155 mm, is also not combat-ready?
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 January 2021 21: 39
        +5
        mabut. expensive
      2. ZEMCH
        ZEMCH 11 January 2021 04: 15
        +3
        Quote: UAZ 452
        Well, okay - problems with the radar make it very difficult to use missile weapons (perhaps with external target designation), but the main artillery caliber - 155 mm, is also not combat-ready?

        There is a problem with the shells for which these cannons were planned, there is a shell under the fire, even for the states it is expensive)))) laughing
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 10 January 2021 19: 35
    +15
    Well, what can I do ?! This is an experimental vessel ahead of its time.
    Now there is no use for it. But our partners will definitely come up with it. Or maybe they won't.
    But in any case it is interesting for shipbuildings.
    It's much cheaper to learn from someone else's mistakes than from your own.
    Therefore, thanks to our American friends!
    1. nnm
      nnm 10 January 2021 19: 41
      +5
      Well, this .... this is so, and SDI can be called not a simple cut of the budget, but a program ahead of its time.
      It should be recalled that it was originally planned to order 32 ships of this class for the US Navy. .... So far, they agree on the version that 3-4 Zamvolts will be enough.

      If it were a real breakthrough in technology, there would be no such series and endless rise in prices. And there would be tests on a prototype. As, for example, in the story with our Su-47 "Berkut". And so it looks more like an excellent budgetary cash cow for the American military-industrial complex worth billions of dollars.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 10 January 2021 20: 12
        +5
        Quote: nnm
        As, for example, in the story with our Su-47 "Berkut".

        Many elements of the Su-47 were tested on the Su-57. For the first time were created compartments for weapons. Progress is impossible without experimental machines.
        1. nnm
          nnm 10 January 2021 20: 14
          +4
          Quite right. That's what I'm talking about. When new technologies are tested, they do not plan a series of three dozen ships. Even in 4 ships for a total of 16 billion. But when budget money is being laundered, it is very even.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 10 January 2021 20: 33
            +4
            Who has what budgets. For the last 3 years they have adopted 6 destroyers of Arleigh Burke, we have nothing of the kind and are not planning.
            These are a drop in the sea that does not affect anything, and if it turns out that they want, an ultimatum ship will appear.
          2. Machito
            Machito 10 January 2021 21: 43
            0
            The fleet is the most expensive item in the defense budget. And we are sorely lacking serial corvettes and frigates.
    2. Gato
      Gato 10 January 2021 23: 08
      0
      experimental vessel

      It seems to me that this is the most correct definition. Zamvolt is primarily a test vessel for testing and testing new technologies. Since it does not go into the series, then disputes about its cost do not make sense.
  • bobba94
    bobba94 10 January 2021 19: 35
    +11
    Interested and googled ..... Figase! One round for the 155 mm artillery gun of this super destroyer costs 1 million dollars. One shell! One million !
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 10 January 2021 19: 41
      +6
      Quote: bobba94
      One round for the 155 mm artillery gun of this super destroyer costs 1 million dollars. One shell! One million !
      Bet on every Zumwalt printing press - how many shells were spent - as much $ printed bully
      1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 10 January 2021 20: 15
        +5
        Netushka, let him print twice as much, let him bring income, not losses wink
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 10 January 2021 20: 35
        +1
        Quote: cat Rusich
        Quote: bobba94
        One round for the 155 mm artillery gun of this super destroyer costs 1 million dollars. One shell! One million !
        Bet on every Zumwalt printing press - how many shells were spent - as much $ printed bully

        Well this is how much forest will be used for these dollars, shells ... Thousands of hectares of forest will be used for paper production. Sadiugi!
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 10 January 2021 20: 41
          0
          Quote: 30 vis

          Well this is how much forest will be used for these dollars, shells ... Thousands of hectares of forest will be used for paper production. Sadiugi!
          In Australia, dollars have been made from plastic since 1988 ...
          Australian dollars
          bully
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 10 January 2021 20: 42
            0
            That's Australia! These are made of paper ... Or old rags .. In general, from cotton cellulose.
            1. Local from the Volga
              Local from the Volga 11 January 2021 23: 15
              0
              from flax and wood has nothing to do with it!
          2. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 11 January 2021 00: 21
            +1
            They are similar in Vietnam and Serbia, I like them, they are durable and comfortable, and the forest is more intact.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 10 January 2021 20: 56
          +1
          Quote: 30 vis
          Well this is how many forests they will lead to these dollars

          Not at all. They are made of cotton and linen. And, in general, they will add extra digits on the computer, and that's it.
          1. Petro_tut
            Petro_tut 10 January 2021 21: 38
            +1
            The Fed rules the world until ....
    2. Machito
      Machito 10 January 2021 19: 58
      +3
      Quote: bobba94
      Interested and googled ..... Figase! One round for the 155 mm artillery gun of this super destroyer costs 1 million dollars. One shell! One million !

      He has AI projectiles. The destroyer fired, the projectile is flying, the AI ​​thinks: Figase was summoned for a walk from the cellar. laughing
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 10 January 2021 19: 37
    +2
    Well, now this burden has fallen on Baidun's shoulders laughing
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 10 January 2021 19: 43
      +3
      So it fell on the budget, on the taxpayers.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 10 January 2021 20: 37
      0
      Quote: Petro_tut
      Well, now this burden has fallen on Baidun's shoulders laughing

      Biden with a hangover. Rhymes -With hangover Biden. pulled the brandy ... ..
    3. Machito
      Machito 10 January 2021 21: 45
      +3
      Quote: Petro_tut
      Well, now this burden has fallen on Baidun's shoulders laughing

      Haha. Plusanul. Baidong laughing lol wassat Baydan is also not bad. And Pence is really cheap, the cheapest coin of the Naglo-Saxons.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 10 January 2021 19: 40
    +1
    Look, the first time you heard from the striped self-criticism. Apparently, Trump ruled for four years for a reason, so the Democrats went all out so that the states did not become a normal country.
    1. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 10 January 2021 20: 18
      +4
      Well, the program to design and build new "super destroyers" was started long before Trump. This is the problem of the current super-long R&D on armaments: over the decades of design, construction of prototypes and the first production models, whole generations of designers, managers, politicians are replaced, so there really is no one to ask - those who started everything, are already in the grave, or in marasmus, and their successors blame their predecessors, and not entirely without reason.
      I am glad that such problems are not only with us, but also with sworn partners.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 10 January 2021 20: 49
        0
        I meant self-criticism under Trump, but there is no doubt that this crooked steamer has long been laid down.
      2. Machito
        Machito 10 January 2021 21: 50
        0
        Quote: UAZ 452
        Well, the program to design and build new "super destroyers" was started long before Trump. This is the problem of the current super-long R&D on armaments: over the decades of design, construction of prototypes and the first production models, whole generations of designers, managers, politicians are replaced, so there really is no one to ask - those who started everything, are already in the grave, or in marasmus, and their successors blame their predecessors, and not entirely without reason.
        I am glad that such problems are not only with us, but also with sworn partners.

        They have more money for dead-end R&D. He went to the computer, typed ten numbers on the keyboard, and 10 billion dollars for a new wunderwaffe is ready.
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 11 January 2021 02: 52
          -3
          Quote: Bearded
          He went to the computer, typed ten numbers on the keyboard, and 10 billion dollars for a new wunderwaffe is ready.

          it doesn't work that way. by printing unsecured money, you inflate a financial bubble that will burst sooner or later and hello hyperinflation with all the accompanying pleasures. given that the dollar is the world's reserve currency, they will not have the opportunity to stop the drain of dollar reserves request let them print bully
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 11 January 2021 07: 27
            +1
            So the striped ones are doing this, printing green candy wrappers. And they think that with the help of their armed forces they will continue to do this in the future. But the guys are very mistaken and therefore the GDP is in their throats.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 12 January 2021 23: 41
              -2
              Quote: Ros 56
              But the guys are very mistaken and therefore their GDP is in the throat.

              right. You can print endlessly when the world is unipolar and the financial market is monopolized, but this is no longer the case and it will be even worse in the future.
    2. Machito
      Machito 10 January 2021 21: 48
      +2
      Quote: Ros 56
      Look, the first time you heard from the striped self-criticism. Apparently, Trump ruled for four years for a reason, so the Democrats went all out so that the states did not become a normal country.

      Trump - Southerner, White, American: Let's Make America Great Again. Biden is a northerner, patron saint of blacks, globalist: henchman of multinational companies.
      1. The eye of the crying
        The eye of the crying 11 January 2021 00: 39
        +1
        Quote: Bearded
        Trump is a southerner


        Trump was actually born, raised, and spent most of his life in New York.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 10 January 2021 19: 47
    +5
    Experiments ahead of their time are ... cool!
    And what of the latest experiments really entered the troops, as it should be ???
    1. Machito
      Machito 10 January 2021 21: 55
      +1
      S-400, S-500 on the way. Zircon is ripening. Well, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, Pinocchio and other Terminators ran well in Syria. I saw the video of Javelin's attack on the Syrian T-90: the commander stuck out of the hatch up to his waist during an ATGM shot, he didn't even have time to get rid of it, the missile didn't reach the tank 50 meters and went vertically upward. I would shoot the commander from Kalash with the first shot: cheap and angry.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 10 January 2021 19: 49
    -2
    Yeah ... not only we know how to "saw the loot" lol laughing

    It's even cooler than hitting sparrows with cannons)))
    1. mark2
      mark2 10 January 2021 20: 12
      +9
      Our sawers are still children in comparison with the American ones. learn and learn more.
  • Vadim_888
    Vadim_888 10 January 2021 19: 59
    +5
    American laboratory work, as they say negative result is the same result
  • Split
    Split 10 January 2021 20: 07
    +4
    And in our Kayak laughing
    1. times
      times 10 January 2021 20: 40
      +18
      Quote: Split
      And in our Kayak

      Better "Baydanka" laughing
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 10 January 2021 20: 41
      +5
      Quote: Split
      And in our Kayak laughing

      Baida is a fishing vessel, a homemade wooden boat ... laughing So that's where Biden's legs stick out! Ancient Ukrainian Baid-Baida-Baiden !! The devil is disguised! am Reincarnation of the ancient ukra, sea digger!
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 10 January 2021 20: 45
        +1
        Bidenka. In honor of the newly elected. Wow money. That is, goodbye money. Everything was spent on cutting.
  • mark2
    mark2 10 January 2021 20: 12
    +3
    They built, they sweated, and they built so stunned
  • faterdom
    faterdom 10 January 2021 20: 14
    +4
    Duc, it is a railgun, and of course it is invisible ... You have to pay!
  • Guru
    Guru 10 January 2021 20: 19
    +1
    but they also considered that the Pentagon has recently begun to frequently experience problems with planning and controlling expenditures on ambitious military-technical projects.
    ... When they counted, they shed a tear. laughing
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 10 January 2021 20: 21
    +2
    The United States said that the stealth destroyer Zumwalt is turning into an "expensive gunboat"

    It seems to me that with the development of hyper-sonic weapons, almost any surface ship of large displacement turns into expensive targets.
  • Avior
    Avior 10 January 2021 20: 29
    +3
    Zamwolt was at the wrong time for him.
    The program was drastically reduced, so not only the latest technologies were reduced, but in general the ship's capabilities were greatly reduced, as a result, all plans went sikos - nakos
    1. Disant
      Disant 11 January 2021 00: 08
      +1
      The program has been drastically reduced, so not only the latest technologies have been reduced

      As I understand it, it's not about money and not about the amount spent - there are no operating railguns with a good firing range (the guns themselves) due to the lack of the necessary materials and alloys - the skiff simply comes very quickly from friction to the barrel.
      The cannon pounds with red smoke.
      That is, during the construction of the zumvolts, they put the cart in front of the horse.
      1. Avior
        Avior 11 January 2021 01: 03
        +3
        at the first stage he has enough weapons and without lasers and railguns
        the ship itself has quite a few new technologies and approaches.
        but the reduction of the program led to
        1. shells for the gun due to the high costs of development and development were too expensive. Initially, they were made on the basis of 64 guns, but in reality the cost of development had to be divided by 6, not 64, that is, this component was lifted 10 times, and production is much cheaper if it is mass produced.
        2. Due to the small number of ships, it was not possible to allocate money for new types of missiles that could use to the full the capabilities of the new UVP.
        And I had to adapt the missiles that could be fired from the old ones.
        3. With electronics, the same problems. Since there are no new missiles, they did not begin to make new electronics in full.
        and caught one after another.
        The ship cannot realize the potential inherent in it when designing, even with those real systems that already exist.
        Now they are trying to replace the ship's functions that were originally planned for it, using its invisibility and other capabilities.
        And what happens, we'll wait and see.
        hi
        1. Disant
          Disant 11 January 2021 09: 43
          0
          1. shells for the gun

          But initially it was planned to install the railgun, which was supposed to have an inexpensive cost of a shot and for which the entire electrical system of the ship was planned.
          And instead of a railgun, there are artillery mounts with insanely expensive guided projectiles.
          The Zumvolt will only be good with the Railgun.
          1. Avior
            Avior 11 January 2021 09: 54
            +1
            Guided projectiles are used far beyond the Zamwolt cannons.
            And their price goes down.
            The problem with the shells for Zamvolt is that they planned to make a large batch, but it turned out to be small-scale production. Hence the price got out.
            I think that gradually they will reach the guns and shells after the missiles that are being made now.
            And you get a Ship with its niche.
            And if railguns or lasers appear, then they will put
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 January 2021 20: 33
    +3
    His missiles are in order - 80 pieces.
    More powerful missiles are on the way, which cannot be
    installed on Berks, but only on Sumvolts.
    Sumvolts have longer launch canister slots.
    The artillery cruiser did not work out, but the missile cruiser did.
    1. Guru
      Guru 10 January 2021 20: 51
      -1
      Hello Alexey.
      His missiles are in order - 80 pieces.
      More powerful missiles are on the way, which cannot be
      installed on Berks, but only on Sumvolts.
      Sumvolts have longer launch canister slots.
      The artillery cruiser did not work out, but the missile cruiser did.

      Wait a minute ! What long cells, he has a kind of standard Mk-57, and this is for the "Tomahawk", then they (Mk-57) agree universal, but they are standard. The missiles are placed along the sides in the PVLS vertical launch units.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 January 2021 20: 56
        +2
        But the Berks have Mk-41. They are shorter.
        The new Mk-57s are currently only on Zumvolts.
        They don't fit on Berks.
      2. Avior
        Avior 10 January 2021 21: 06
        +4
        Missiles are installed in cells in containers, which allows you to put rockets from MK57 in MK41, while you just need other containers
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 January 2021 21: 08
        +1
        The Americans redesigned the SM-3 - missile defense missile - for medium-range anti-ship missiles.
        The sumvolts should be received first. Then they will become
        cruisers against enemy surface ships.
        Without being attached to the Aviv carriers.
        The Chinese are building a darkness of frigates and corvettes. Here you will have to
        butt the Zumvolts. This is where stealth comes in handy. Sneaked up - shot - left.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 January 2021 21: 16
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The Americans redesigned the SM-3 - missile defense missile - for medium-range anti-ship missiles.

          Don't you confuse it with the SM-6? It is being converted into a hypersonic universal rocket, on it is the first stage from the SM-3.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 January 2021 21: 18
            +5
            Precisely, mixed up. Thanks for the amendment. good
        2. aszzz888
          aszzz888 11 January 2021 09: 06
          -1

          voyaka uh (Alexey)
          Yesterday, 21: 08
          NEW

          -1
          The Americans redesigned the SM-3 - missile defense missile - for medium-range anti-ship missiles.
          The sumvolts should be received first. Then they will become
          cruisers against enemy surface ships.
          Without being attached to the Aviv carriers.
          The Chinese are building a darkness of frigates and corvettes. Here you will have to
          butt the Zumvolts. This is where stealth comes in handy. Sneaked up - shot - left.
          Did you dream about this cartoon today ?! laughing , or yesterday ?! laughing You are these victorious)) tongue multiply speeches somewhere in the Jewish media !!! laughing
    2. Avior
      Avior 10 January 2021 21: 01
      +3
      Not only longer, but also larger in diameter
      The volume of cells is 1,67 times larger than that of Mk41
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 11 January 2021 09: 11
      0

      voyaka uh (Alexey)
      Yesterday, 20: 33
      +1
      His missiles are in order - 80 pieces.
      On the approach more powerful missiles,
      laughing tongue tongue That's when they come)) laughing tongue wassat , then you will lick further the Merikatos crap. tongue
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 January 2021 20: 36
    +1
    I look forward to when this "gunboat" will be awarded the proud title of "King of Piers". good
    1. Spkrdctr
      Spkrdctr 11 January 2021 22: 32
      +1
      Already done!
  • times
    times 10 January 2021 20: 38
    +14
    stealth destroyer Zumwalt turns into an "expensive gunboat

    Why does it turn? He was originally.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 10 January 2021 21: 22
    -2
    Quote: nnm
    It's time for Ukraine to sell on credit!

    One for the DPR, and the other for the LPR ... Quick and easy ...
    After the first go to sea
  • fif21
    fif21 10 January 2021 21: 36
    +1
    Guys from the Pentagon! Yes, you are greedy! laughing Stealth destroyer failed, build a dozen stealth cruisers wassat There is still paper for printing your late presidents! If the paper runs out, there will be a digital dollar. And not smart fans of your traders are still missing. tongue
  • KJIETyc
    KJIETyc 10 January 2021 22: 00
    +3
    Quote: UAZ 452
    Well, okay - problems with the radar make it very difficult to use missile weapons (perhaps with external target designation), but the main artillery caliber - 155 mm, is also not combat-ready?

    Lohan costing half an aircraft carrier to transport a cannon from an ACS?
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 10 January 2021 22: 45
      +3
      As many as two !!!
  • Voltsky
    Voltsky 10 January 2021 23: 27
    0
    Zamvolt has an interesting idea, a peripheral installation "UKSK" with a parabolic structure of the hull .... That is, the explosion of ammunition will go out when it hits
    somewhat similar to an APL with a durable and lightweight body
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 11 January 2021 00: 13
    +3
    This is far from the first, and not the last costly failure of overseas democracy))) I wish them continued success in their hopeless enterprise)))
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 11 January 2021 07: 26
    0
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    Do you mean the project of the destroyer Leader or the project of the icebreaker Leader? If the destroyer is the Leader, then the project is initially expensive and insane. They abandoned it. The displacement is too great and the nuclear reactor on this essentially cruiser. Well where? On the basis of the frigate of project 22350, the project of the destroyer 22350M with a displacement of 7000-8000 tons will be created instead of the Leader.


    But, as far as I remember the history of the creation of the destroyer Leader, initially there were two projects - on a gas turbine engine and on a nuclear power plant. After the well-known events in Ukraine and the refusal of the latter to supply us with a gas turbine engine, they began to promote the project of the destroyer Leader with atomic rectors, BUT what prevented now from returning to the project of the destroyer Leader with a gas turbine engine, when the displacement of the non-nuclear version becomes acceptable?
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 January 2021 09: 02
    0
    The skepticism is connected with the fact that the trainings of the stealth destroyer Zamvolt are carried out without the use of its powerful missile weapons, but with the use of only the aforementioned 30-mm ship-based cannons.
    Bigger caliber for such a vessel! laughing There would be a machine gun, at least two, with a caliber of 12,7 mm. wassat ! This caliber must be pulled! laughing
  • Freedim
    Freedim 11 January 2021 17: 18
    0
    It could have been buried immediately after uneducated soldiers approved the installation of a railgun on it without a proper gyro platform.
  • Spkrdctr
    Spkrdctr 11 January 2021 22: 31
    0
    As an American I have to say that the Zumwalt Destroyer is a complete disaster. Our Government wasted billions and received nothing in return. The ships are useless and not really useable for any mission. Well, I guess it can be the worlds most expensive missile boat. They need to go to the scrap yard as the costs to keep them running are very high too. I'm ashamed that many Admirals were not fired for this disaster.
    1. Petr Vladimirovich
      Petr Vladimirovich 12 January 2021 12: 36
      0
      That's cool! fellow