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Ukrainian snipers train in Donbass with new rifles

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At the training ground in the Luhansk region, training sessions were held for snipers of the 92nd OMB named after Koshevoy Ataman Ivan Sirko, operating in the area of ​​the so-called Joint Forces Operation, previously known as the "ATO zone". The shooting took place under the guidance of experienced mentors.


This was reported by the JFO press service on its Facebook page.

The servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine trained to covertly approach the target, equip a position, correctly carry out an accurate shot, taking into account the direction and speed of the wind, as well as other external factors.

Our guys do live fires several times a month. They work in pairs at a working distance of 700 to 1200 meters.

- said the commander of the sniper unit.

He stated that each fighter confidently hits a chest target from a maximum distance, working day or night. If they shoot in the dark, they use thermal imaging equipment.

Snipers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are training in Donbass with new Ukrainian-made UAR-10 rifles and American Savage. According to the head of the shooting, all servicemen coped with the assigned tasks and demonstrated a high level of professionalism.

UAR-10 was adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2018 to replace the Soviet SVD. It was created by Ukrainian gunsmiths on the basis of the American AR-10 rifle and is designed for a NATO cartridge of 7,62x51 mm caliber (.308 Winchester).
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  1. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 9 January 2021 18: 14
    +30
    This is bad news. A rifle is a rifle. Deadly in capable hands. Here are drones with a thermal imager and mortars against such "craftsmen". The thermal imager even sees breathing in winter ... And by a pair of snipers from 82, with adjustment ... It will at once wean you from approaching at a shot distance.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 9 January 2021 18: 25
      0
      Eugene hi I won't say anything about the rifle, not special, I hope the professionals will. But what about "stealthily approach the goal" is it like? A pistol shot? recourse
      1. figwam
        figwam 9 January 2021 18: 33
        +14
        Quote: sabakina
        I won't say anything about the rifle, not special,

        They copied the American AP-10 and added the letter U in the name.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 9 January 2021 18: 37
          +2
          Sergey, hi on how good or bad this rifle is.
          1. figwam
            figwam 9 January 2021 18: 54
            +3
            Quote: sabakina
            how good or bad this rifle is.

            Who knows what their quality is, and so is an ordinary rifle with migrated pros and cons of this system.
          2. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 9 January 2021 18: 55
            +4
            The question is not for Me, but I will try to answer. AR-10 at one time (1955) was quite a breakthrough in terms of technology. A semi-automatic rifle, as the Ukrainians copied it, is difficult to judge. On VO there is an article about her dated 23.10.2019/29.01.2018/XNUMX and XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
            1. Hunter 2
              Hunter 2 9 January 2021 18: 58
              +1
              Why is there no information in the article which Savage bought from the Mattress Makers by the Non-Brothers?
              1. Holgerton
                Holgerton 9 January 2021 19: 43
                +5
                Savage Model 110 under .338 sliding bolt. The original news item was about her.
          3. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 9 January 2021 19: 18
            -4
            Quote: sabakina
            Sergey, hi on how good or bad this rifle is.

            Well, if it was adopted instead of the SVD, then ... probably not bad.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 10 January 2021 02: 32
              +8
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              instead of SVD

              They do not agree to muskets either, but not to the weapons of the "Soviet occupation" ... No.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 10 January 2021 10: 24
                0
                Quote: Uncle Lee

                They do not agree to muskets either, but not to the weapons of the "Soviet occupation" ...

                Trust no one. They only give up on what can be cheaply substituted for the best. In addition, in the future, they will increasingly give up Soviet weapons. And not because they are a weapon of the Soviet occupation, but because they must switch to NATO standards, since they declared their desire to join NATO.
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 10 January 2021 10: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  join NATO

                  So this is understandable ... I exaggerated a little. hi
            2. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 10 January 2021 13: 01
              +2
              Generally not an indicator ..... the SVD has exhausted its resource, it is necessary to take sniper cartridges somewhere ..... and then the NATO caliber and new weapons ..... If in the Russian Federation they make snipers under NATO patrons, why should they not ?
          4. Rose capone
            Rose capone 9 January 2021 21: 19
            +6
            In 2018, a variant of the Z-10 rifle chambered for 7,62x51 mm (with a magazine for 10 rounds, a Picatinny rail on the receiver cover, folding bipods, an adjustable MagPul PRS stock and the ability to install a muffler for the sound of shots) was adopted by the armed forces of Ukraine under the name of the 7,62-mm self-loading sniper rifle UAR-10 [10]. On November 8, 2019, Colonel Vladislav Shostak, a representative of the Department of Military-Technical Policy, Arms and Military Equipment Development of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, said that in 2019 the troops received about 600 UAR-10 and UAR-008 sniper rifles, in 2020 more than 2000 pieces were promised.
            More about the characteristics: The barrel is locked by turning the bolt, which has 7 lugs. The rifle can be disassembled into two parts, which allows to reduce its dimensions and provides compactness during transportation. The barrel of the rifle is cantilevered, which ensures the stability of the zeroing. On the upper part of the receiver and on the forend there are Picatinny rails for installing sighting devices and other accessories.

            The trigger mechanism allows firing single shots only, optimized for accurate shooting. The forend rests rigidly on the receiver. A feature of the carbine is the permanent association of the cocking handle with the bolt frame (unlike the AR-10 / HK MR308). This allows you to remove the stuck cartridge and reload it. The carbine is equipped with an effective muzzle brake and can be fitted with a silencer. The gas block is adjustable. MagPul PRS stock with adjustable cheek piece and retractable butt pad. Alternatively, a FAB or MagPul CTR stock can be installed.
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 19: 17
          -31%
          Well done, but we can't really copy anything.
          1. Hwostatij
            Hwostatij 9 January 2021 19: 31
            +15
            You can't anyway tongue
        3. Dimide
          Dimide 9 January 2021 19: 43
          +5
          Not special, but I will say, rifles with free-hanging match barrels and a modified bolt group, with adjustable trigger force (Yusov bolt groups)
          So the AR-10 is the great-great-grandmother of this rifle
      2. businessv
        businessv 10 January 2021 13: 11
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        But what about "stealthily approach the goal" is it like? A pistol shot?
        Duc distance sounded - 700 - 1200 m.
      3. YOUR
        YOUR 11 January 2021 07: 05
        +1
        This means taking positions covertly.
        And no matter how resting on our laurels turns out, an example is Karabakh. Little is written about the DPR army, let's hope that they also do not stand still and improve their training.
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 9 January 2021 18: 56
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And on a pair of snipers from 82, with adjustments ...

      It is also possible from AGS-17 (40) ... Range - 1 m (700 m). The scum have lost their fear - are they "training" to shoot at civilians?
      It would be clear that something would have been: houses were torn apart, schools were seized ... People do not want to be fascists ... For this they need them from an ambush with a sniper rifle?
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 9 January 2021 19: 04
        +1
        So it seems like the same microwave produced by Kalashnikov is. Why take something from the 82nd year?
        Microwave sniper rifle characteristics
        length: 995-1015 mm
        weight: 4,2 kg
        declared sighting range: 1200 m
        barrel length: 410 mm
        caliber: 7,62 and 8,6 mm
        scattering at a distance of 100 m: 30 mm
        cartridge type: 7,62x54 mm, 7,62x51 mm and 8,6x70 mm (.338)
        Modifications
        The rifle can be manufactured in three modifications, depending on the type of cartridge used. The base model has a store identical to the SVD. Its capacity is 10 rounds. There are stores with increased capacity - for 15 or 20 rounds.

        https://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/sr/ru/svch/
    3. frruc
      frruc 9 January 2021 19: 43
      +2
      ... Ukrainian snipers are training in Donbas with new rifles ...

      For each such sniper, there is a different sniper.
      1. Dkuznecov
        Dkuznecov 9 January 2021 22: 36
        +6
        "For every such sniper, there is a different sniper."
        The APU is a regular army, from where the militia will get
        a crowd of trained snipers, and even with modern weapons?
        There are still partisans with SVD, but nothing more.
        There is a pumping of forces from the APU, and clearly not in favor of the miners
        with "whips".
    4. Maz
      Maz 9 January 2021 20: 37
      +1
      Ukrosamopal characteristics
      Weight, kg 5,5
      Length, mm 1140
      Barrel length, mm 610
      Cartridge .308 Winchester
      Caliber mm 7,62
      Principles of operation removal of powder gases, butterfly valve
      Maximum
      range, m 800
      Type of ammunition magazine for 10 rounds
      When, Before I was taken as a sniper, I from an AK-74 assault rifle in 1981 from an open sight with two-round bursts filled up everything that was on the target field twice, until the cartridges in the store ran out ... at the turn of three hundred, four hundred and eight hundred meters: height , chest, machine gun crew. The modern SVD is four orders of magnitude more accurate and more accurate. And this Ukrainian samopal does not break the whip with anything yet. Perhaps with NATO sights. And the maximum sighting range of the SVD is 1200-1300 meters.
      1. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 9 January 2021 23: 45
        0
        The question is where did the barrel for the Ukrainian rifle come from?
        1. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 10 January 2021 00: 00
          +3
          The question is not idle, if Czech, then the trouble, if shtetl, then you can not worry too much
    5. Clear
      Clear 9 January 2021 21: 26
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      This is bad news.

      Well, what to do if they are forced to open the "pandora's box". We've already started playing, judging by the lost people (Buzina, Givi, Motorola ...)
  2. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 18: 24
    -30%
    Well done, you won’t say anything, but we still have a SVD with a PSO from which only the master of sports will hit the head target at 450 meters, and then only during the day.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 9 January 2021 18: 33
      +14
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

      0
      Well done, you won’t say anything, but we still have a SVD with a PSO from which only the master of sports will hit the head target at 450 meters, and then only during the day.

      If you don't know how to shoot, no rifle will help. And if you know how, then the ancient "Mosinka" will give out very decent accuracy ... The normal range for the SVD is 800 m. And if someone cannot get from it to 400, then these rifles are not supposed to be like that ... wassat
      1. Kisa
        Kisa 9 January 2021 18: 47
        -15%
        and what does he shoot in a mitten? custom chickens adjust a half a kilo and a weak spring to less than a pound and a weak spring and grind the whisper so that it does not creak when you pull ... some even cut the skin off a finger so that the chickens can hear how those kataly in cards ...
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 19: 18
          -4
          Have you reviewed the militants ?! ))

          The skin is removed from the finger)))
          1. Kisa
            Kisa 9 January 2021 19: 32
            -1
            just like that)) the finger is polished with a nail file. are you shooting with a mitten? can I missed something. one MOA all trunks by default. I don't know how cheap military ammunition is, but they twist themselves to hunt for dalnyak. neat hanging is the criterion of stability
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 10 January 2021 00: 06
              -4
              just like that)) the finger is polished with a nail file. are you shooting with a mitten? can I missed something. one MOA all trunks by default. I don't know how cheap military ammunition is, but they twist themselves to hunt for dalnyak. neat hanging is the criterion of stability


              In our troops in "MOA" no one counts anything, we have thousandths and more centimeters.
        2. -Dmitry-
          -Dmitry- 10 January 2021 07: 39
          0
          Quote: kitty
          and what does he shoot in a mitten? custom chickens adjust a half a kilo and a weak spring to less than a pound and a weak spring and grind the whisper so that it does not creak when you pull ... some even cut the skin off a finger so that the chickens can hear how those kataly in cards ...


          I'll tell you one clever thing, just don't be offended. You can even press until blue in the face of the "chickens" shot will not happen. You need to click on trigger! The trigger is a completely different device.
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 19: 05
        +1
        I see you are an experienced shooter, can you tell me which units of the Russian army are armed with Mosin rifles?

        SVD is recognized as suitable for sniper shooting if a series of 4 shots falls into a circle of 8 cm (this is from the manual for shooting), every next 100 meters, the dispersion increases multiple, that is, by 200 meters it will already be 16 cm, by 400 32 cm, and by 800 all 64 cm, that is, more than the width of the chest target (50 cm) !!! No matter how you aim, whether you are even a world champion in shooting, the hits will have a spread of 64 cm from the SVD, which is, as it were, suitable for shooting.

        For competitions, rifles are selected, as a rule new, with a successful low accuracy and the result is certainly better, but in the troops everything is many times worse !!! And not the athletes and those fighters with ordinary SVD will have to fight, and they will lose to the enemy in terms of the range of their rifles and die more often.

        But in your opinion it will be their fault, they just did not learn to shoot, and so SVD norms.

        Now add derivation, weather, wind, altitude, and pressure to the dispersion.

        At 800 meters, only trees will give a deviation of another 30 cm.

        You will get tired of counting, and when you count the conditions will change.

        Well, as one more argument in favor of the fact that it is high time to change the SVD - why our "cool / thieves" special forces such as pontorez from Group A and other criminals use imported rifles, and not native SVDs? Can't shoot?

        That's the same thing.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 9 January 2021 19: 14
          +2
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          I see you are an experienced shooter, can you tell me which units of the Russian army are armed with Mosin rifles?

          We met in Syria. MTR fighters. Probably trophy.
          Regarding the dispersion of bullets from the SVD. You are probably quite right. However, they fall for some reason. And not long distances either. Perhaps the snipers are taking their rifles ... A matter of life and death.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 19: 28
            0
            What will you take if there are 3 rifles per state in a 3-sniper unit?

            They fall at distances of up to 300 meters, and then they are not lucky.

            The sniper will have to shoot not at a height or chest target, but at another sniper who also knows how to disguise himself and once again does not trade his face.

            On the NATO rifle (seen in YouTube) there is a special device that presses the trigger itself when the target most optimally hits the thermal imaging sight !!!

            We have not even heard of this !!!

            If the enemy's accuracy is higher, and he sees at night as in the daytime in the sight, then he will hit more often.

            And at the advancing infantry and from the AK, you can shoot from the PC.

            And the main task of the sniper is to kill the enemy sniper.

            If we have SVD in service in most of the units, and they have what they are now, ours will suffer losses, and when our snipers are knocked out, everyone else will be very very unhealthy.

            And I also forgot, our snipers spend on training 10 rounds a week (border department in the Chechen Republic).

            With such a consumption of cartridges, all snipers will be of the level of a master of sports)))

            But in reality we just have shame and disgrace. We are lagging behind and do not even want to change anything. Again, only after a lot of blood.
            1. Pechkin
              Pechkin 9 January 2021 20: 50
              +1
              On the NATO rifle (seen in YouTube) there is a special device that presses the trigger itself when the target most optimally hits the thermal imaging sight !!!
              Well, such things, I think for now, are experimental. A rifle that pulls the trigger itself is a controversial and ambiguous decision.
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 9 January 2021 21: 52
              0
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              On the NATO rifle (seen in YouTube) there is a special device that presses the trigger itself when the target most optimally hits the thermal imaging sight !!! We have not even heard of this !!!
              Do you really need it?
              If it doesn't matter who you translate into a blind man, then it will go, but if you need to wait for not just anyone, namely the "fat hog" from the command staff, and "skinny jerboas" from the privates constantly flash in the sight, then with such a stray the task cannot be completed ... If this device with the "on" - "off" function, then it is also not always possible to use it in time, especially when the "fat" one in the sight only appears for a split second.
          2. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 10 January 2021 00: 19
            -1
            Statistics on the Second World War I came across as follows - 60% of targets were destroyed by snipers at a distance of up to 300 meters, 30% up to 500 meters and the rest more than 500 meters.

            Moreover, further than 500 meters it was possible to shoot, but the problem was that the target was counted only if it was confirmed by an observer (usually a unit officer). There was a demand from the snipers and they asked harshly, it was impossible to come back from a mission and talk about the destroyed Nazi division. Long range shooting (over 500 meters) was not obvious from the result. Although of course they were shooting. There were masters who, even without an optical sight, hit 1000 meters.

            Naturally, this is the experience of using rifles with manual locking of the bore, we have this Mosin rifle and it is several times more accurate than the SVD. The WWII sniper standard is a series of 4 shots in a 4 cm by 4 cm square.

            The SVD was made based on the experience of the Second World War, and for some time it justified itself, but the conditions have long changed, and our commanders do not itch, our snipers cannot do a damn thing and are armed with weapons inferior to the enemy in everything except the rate of fire and the presence of a bayonet. That is, in what a sniper does not really need, but in what is needed - range, accuracy, sights and observation devices and, most importantly, the thoroughness of preparation EXCEEDS !!!

            Our snipers against NATO and even I think against Chinese and Japanese have NO CHANCE !!!

            And soon we will give way to the Ukrainian snipers too.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 10 January 2021 00: 57
              +4
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              There were masters who, even without an optical sight, hit 1000 meters.

              Best Finnish Sniper
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_Häyhä
              used a Mosin rifle with an open sight and did not recognize any optics.
          3. Alexander Galaktionov
            Alexander Galaktionov 10 January 2021 07: 51
            0
            I read an article by a soldier that he had been to Syria, and so there are positive responses about SVD, there he also mentioned cartridges, if the scope and cartridges are norms, then SVD is more than at a distance of up to 700 - 800m
        2. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 9 January 2021 19: 43
          +4
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          SVD is recognized as suitable for sniper shooting if a series of 4 shots falls into a circle of 8 cm (this is from the shooting manual) every next 100 meters dispersion

          Looked at the manual. Indeed, the numbers are the same, but for shooting with a CONVENTIONAL cartridge with a bullet with a steel core ... And the sniper is not fired with a gross cartridge, but ... In 1967, the 7N1 sniper cartridge was adopted. When firing with this cartridge, the dispersion is (depending on the pitch of the rifling) no more than 10-12 cm at a distance of 300 m [7].
          Do not rush to bury our snipers ... And the EXPENSIVE SNIPER ammunition counts in preparation. And probably no one counts the gross at all ... probably.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 23: 49
            -3
            The SVD sniper cartridge is not for accuracy, but for lethality.

            The bullet of the sniper cartridge is deliberately unbalanced and also very powerful.



            At 400 meters, it normally penetrates the enemy, and the organs in the area of ​​impact receive a powerful concussion, at a greater distance the sniper bullet goes somersault, breaks in half (since it does not have a steel core inside like an LPS, for example, but only a steel front part, back lead) and, like a knife from a meat grinder, turns fabrics and veins into minced meat.

            Hitting a sniper bullet in the torso is almost death, and in the limb its separation.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 9 January 2021 18: 34
      +1
      You do not have information or are deliberately misleading, and if you do not know, then why fantasize?
      The Tambov Special Forces Brigade received a batch of convenient and accurate SV-98 sniper rifles, the press service of the Western Military District reported.

      In the modern modification of the weapon, image distortions in the sight caused by heating of the barrel during firing are excluded. Also, the SV-98 is equipped with a telescopic adjustable stock and attachments for attachments: sights, laser designators, bipods.


      The rifle has high firing characteristics at distances of up to a kilometer. The maximum flight range of special 7,62 mm bullets is 3800 meters, the ZVO headquarters said.

      https://rg.ru/2020/05/25/reg-cfo/snajperam-specnaza-rf-vydali-novye-vintovki.html
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 19: 11
        -7
        The maximum flight range of special 7,62 mm bullets is 3800 meters, the ZVO headquarters said.



        Laughter and only))

        In the performance characteristics of the AK, look, there is also the maximum range of a bullet for 3 km))
      2. Pechkin
        Pechkin 9 January 2021 20: 42
        +7
        The maximum flight range of special 7,62 mm bullets is 3800 meters, the ZVO headquarters said.
        Bullet range and sighting range are different things.
        1. novel66
          novel66 9 January 2021 21: 19
          +6
          but there is also a lethal range
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 9 January 2021 22: 13
            +2
            Quote: Pechkin
            The maximum flight range of special 7,62 mm bullets is 3800 meters, the ZVO headquarters said.
            Bullet range and sighting range are different things.

            Quote: novel xnumx
            а there is also a lethal range

            That's right. If you just take TOZ-8 and a 5,6mm cartridge, then the sighting is 250 m, the lethality remains up to 800 m, the maximum 1200-1600 m. What can we say for 7,62 from its 3800m.
          2. Avior
            Avior 9 January 2021 22: 15
            +4
            And more effective firing range
    3. Shelest2000
      Shelest2000 9 January 2021 19: 31
      +3
      You just need to have hands not from experience and be able to shoot. Incl. my condolences to you.
      shl. From a fenced SVD, but with a military twist of the barrel, I took an A4 size target at 790 meters with a target cartridge and with good optics.
    4. bistrov.
      bistrov. 9 January 2021 19: 34
      +3
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      SVD with PSO of which 450 meters

      Well, what are you weaving? At what distance is the farthest "machine gun crew" target on a standard range? 300 meters. She is hit with a short burst from an AK assault rifle. The barrel length of the AK is 415 mm and a shortened cartridge with a 39 mm long sleeve, model 1943. And the SVD has a 60 cm barrel and uses a much more powerful cartridge with a 54 mm long sleeve. In addition, the barrel of the SVD has a bend that compensates for the derivation (deflection as a result of rotation) of the bullet, i.e. the spread at a shot distance of 300 meters does not exceed 3 cm. From the SVD, targets are easily hit not only 450, but also 600 meters. And an experienced shooter will hit the target from the SVD and at 1200 meters.
      1. Deck
        Deck 9 January 2021 21: 36
        +6
        In addition, the barrel of the SVD has a bend that compensates for the derivation (deflection as a result of rotation) of the bullet,


        This is a powerful statement! I've heard anything - you have to remember.

        the spread at a shot distance of 300 meters does not exceed 3 cm


        Any cartridge, even 7N1, even assembled, even a "goddess" SVD at 100 meters will collect with difficulty a bunch of 30 mm. Checked countless times, thousands of dollars spent. wink
      2. Ingenegr
        Ingenegr 9 January 2021 22: 40
        +3
        Quote: bistrov.
        In addition, the barrel of the SVD has a bend that compensates for the derivation (deflection as a result of rotation) of the bullet, i.e. the spread at a shot distance of 300 meters does not exceed 3 cm.

        This ... You don't need to drink any more)))
      3. Undecim
        Undecim 9 January 2021 23: 14
        +8
        In addition, the barrel of the SVD has a bend that compensates for the derivation (deflection as a result of rotation) of the bullet.
        Where do you get this nonsense, where is this information cesspool? Either they compensate for the derivation with a bayonet, or bend the barrel ...
        1. bistrov.
          bistrov. 10 January 2021 09: 56
          0
          Quote: Undecim
          Compensate, then by bending the trunk ... Delirium.

          Well, many people also say: ".... this cannot be, because this can never be ...."
      4. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 10 January 2021 00: 00
        +1
        Your

        SVD with PSO of which 450 meters


        My

        and we still have a SVD with a PSO from which only the master of sports will hit the head target at 450 meters, and then only during the day.



        We are talking about the head target, its dimensions are 23 cm by 30 cm, and the machine gun calculation is 1 meter by 0,5 meters.

        About the compensation of the derivation by the bend of the trunk and the spread of 300 meters in 3 cm, this is what they say: "I have seen the wonders of technology, but this never happened"))).
    5. Dmitriy Zadorozhniy
      Dmitriy Zadorozhniy 9 January 2021 19: 34
      +4
      Well, what can I tell you, you can't hit with a direct shot, well, "... learn to learn and learn again." As Vladimir Ilyich bequeathed.
      1. Ingenegr
        Ingenegr 9 January 2021 22: 43
        +3
        Quote: Dmitriy Zadorozhniy
        ..Study, study and study again".

        Vladimir Ilyich bequeathed, not
        Quote: Dmitriy Zadorozhniy
        bequeathed

        CHA-SHA write through "A", it was in the school primer.
        So
        Quote: Dmitriy Zadorozhniy
        "..Study, study and study again"
        1. Dmitriy Zadorozhniy
          Dmitriy Zadorozhniy 21 January 2021 05: 44
          0
          I'm sorry, I wrote from the phone.
    6. Gado
      Gado 9 January 2021 21: 14
      +1
      And you are such a shooter. I personally shot down all the targets at a distance of 500 meters, although I fired from the SVD as an exception, I was a machine gunner by military profession.
    7. ultra
      ultra 10 January 2021 00: 28
      +2
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      and we still have a SVD with a PSO from which only the master of sports will hit the head target at 450 meters, and then only during the day.

      You write nonsense, dear.
    8. businessv
      businessv 10 January 2021 13: 17
      0
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      and we still have SVD with PSO from which only the master of sports will hit the head target at 450 meters

      You, apparently, have not heard about the screw cutter? This is the first thing that came to mind about 450 m. There are many more arguments. smile
      1. Ingenegr
        Ingenegr 22 January 2021 00: 22
        0
        Quote: businessv
        You, apparently, have not heard about the screw cutter? This is the first thing that came to mind about 450 m.

        I would very much like to see that Great Master who, from Vintorez, will close his head to 450 m. At least three times in a row in a series of 30 shots.
        1. businessv
          businessv 22 January 2021 11: 58
          0
          Quote: Ingenegr
          I would very much like to see that Great Master who, from Vintorez, will close his head to 450 m

          Come on, you blacken! smile At least I know a platoon in which 97% hits the belt. As for the head - this is for filmmakers - the screw cutter is not for long distances. hi
  3. Egoza
    Egoza 9 January 2021 18: 28
    0
    And who do they train on? I doubt that it is on mechanical targets! Considering that snipers are deliberately and voluntarily .... no words!
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 9 January 2021 18: 58
      +3
      Egoza-Elena hi don't go to the grandmother, they will be sent to the battle zone to "improve their qualifications"! The main thing is psychological treatment, so that, like in a shooting range, without hesitation, they shoot at people as at targets. ..
    2. Deck
      Deck 9 January 2021 21: 42
      -1
      Egoza. A good shooter needs an annual shot of 5-10 thousand shots at working distances. For a 308, that's 800 meters. The main thing is not to let your imagination run wild.
    3. Gardener91
      Gardener91 10 January 2021 00: 50
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      snipers go deliberately and voluntarily ...

      The sniper is a highly intelligent weapon. A conscious choice is a secondary matter, but recruiting by ad is a direct path to consumables. If they are prepared and trained by foreign instructors (the specialists do not shine), then in the light of Ukraine indirectly "defeated", namely, the majority of politically savvy military men in the West regard this way, or as a conditional ally against the Russian Federation, tactics of conducting a database are also taught ... very conditionally. Although, there are worthy specimens in the power structures of Ukraine.
  4. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 January 2021 18: 29
    +7
    Hurray ...
    1. figwam
      figwam 9 January 2021 18: 42
      +4
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Hurray ...

      Sho khaz banged on the outskirts?
  5. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 January 2021 18: 49
    +10
    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    Hurray ...

    Sho khaz banged on the outskirts?

    The pipe was decommunized. laughing
    1. figwam
      figwam 9 January 2021 18: 54
      +3
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      The pipe was decommunized.

      It looks like a main pipe.
      1. 113262a
        113262a 9 January 2021 19: 32
        +4
        Yes, there, on the border of the Poltava and Kharkiv regions, a gas hub is collected from the entire field and into a pipe! There is gas there, and there is a lot of it, and it exploded!
  6. Pamir
    Pamir 9 January 2021 19: 01
    +5
    The photo shows a bolt, not a self-semiautomatic device. Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the Russian Federation has, for a long time, in addition to the SVD, there are narrow-bolt-bolts. I could of course be wrong.
    1. Pamir
      Pamir 9 January 2021 19: 16
      +3
      Yes, by 7,62mm, the bolt in the photo DOES NOT pull, rather more.
  7. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 January 2021 19: 01
    0
    Offtop. There was an explosion on a gas pipeline in the Poltava region 404. And ukrov warned that matches are not toys for children.
  8. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 9 January 2021 19: 10
    +5
    Cursed be all the descendants of the Ukrainian military, guilty of shedding blood in the Donbass.
  9. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 January 2021 19: 13
    +5
    Quote: figvam
    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
    The pipe was decommunized.

    It looks like a main pipe.

    Most likely stress corrosion. For it is the Dnieper-Donetsk depression, where the tectonics are dead. 

    We passed this at 95-00, there were a lot of fire gusts, especially in the Urals, in the Krasnoturyinsk region, there is also rich tectonics. Now we regularly inspect pipes from the inside, but there is no such mess. 
    1. 113262a
      113262a 9 January 2021 19: 36
      0
      There are gas fields, a field. As you go to Poltava through Krasnograd, there are a bunch of pipes on the surface. In the 200th there was a tornado, there was a case! Not Svidomo tornado-real!)))
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 January 2021 19: 19
    +5
    Yes, normal people train on training grounds or, in extreme cases, in someone else's war, and these nits are thrashing on their own. Bandera creatures, the descendants of the Nazis.
    1. 113262a
      113262a 9 January 2021 19: 38
      +2
      Well, absolutely normal, in Syria for barmaley! In a combat situation ...
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 9 January 2021 19: 52
    0
    Snipers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are training in Donbass with new Ukrainian-made UAR-10 rifles and American Savage.

    Our guys do live fires several times a month. They work in pairs at a working distance. from 700 to 1200 meters.

    I couldn't find an American rifle, just Savage doesn't mean anything, but UAR-10 -
    Weight, kg 5,5
    Length, mm 1140
    Barrel length, mm 610
    Cartridge .308 Winchester
    Caliber mm 7,62
    Principles of operation removal of powder gases, butterfly valve
    Maximum
    range, m 800
    Type of ammunition magazine for 10 rounds
    1. Avior
      Avior 9 January 2021 22: 37
      +2
      Some sources write a range of up to 1200 m.
      https://www.ukrmilitary.com/2018/01/ukrainian-sniper-rifle-ur10.html
      don't know how real
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 9 January 2021 23: 32
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        Some sources write a range of up to 1200 m.
        https://www.ukrmilitary.com/2018/01/ukrainian-sniper-rifle-ur10.html
        don't know how real

        From the material you submitted
        The self-loading napivautomatic sniper gun UAR-10 can be used with an analogue of the American automatic gun AR-10.

        What design changes did Ukrainian engineers make with the AR-10 that increased the firing range by as much as 30%? This is at least a record
        Features
        Weight, kg 3,8 (without cartridges) [1]
        Length, mm 1040 [1]
        Barrel length, mm 540 [1]
        Cartridge 7,62 × 51 mm NATO [1], .338 Whisper
        Caliber mm 7,62
        Principles of operation removal of powder gases, butterfly valve
        Rate of fire
        rounds / min 700 [1]
        Maximum
        range, m 600 (effective)
        1. Avior
          Avior 10 January 2021 01: 09
          0
          I think there are many nuances
          1 maximum range, effective range and sighting range are three completely different parameters. There is already a nuance - who wrote about what, in fact.
          2 determination of the effective firing range depends on the selected requirements for the target and the probability of its destruction.
          3 effect of a specific cartridge type
          4 barrel length - on the Ukrainian version, judging by the picture above, it may be different
          I don't know what was meant in specific cases. I just wrote that such a version can be found.
          hi
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 10 January 2021 18: 52
            0
            Quote: Avior
            I think there are many nuances
            1 maximum range, effective range and sighting range are three completely different parameters. There is already a nuance - who wrote about what, in fact.

            In my opinion, they wrote everything clearly.
            They work in pairs at a working distance of 700 to 1200 meters.

            The range of confident hitting the target, while the AR-10, even in the Ukrainian version, has never worked at such distances, it is a slightly different class of weapon
  12. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 9 January 2021 20: 42
    -2
    The servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine trained to covertly approach the target, equip a position, correctly carry out an accurate shot, taking into account the direction and speed of the wind, as well as other external factors.


    Those. before all this did not know how?))

    It is understandable))
  13. Putnik119
    Putnik119 9 January 2021 20: 59
    +3
    It looks like a half-page article will soon appear in the top about the fact that the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are training with bowlers of a different type.
    1. Clear
      Clear 9 January 2021 21: 40
      +1
      Quote: Putnik119
      a half-page article will soon appear stating that soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine train with a different type of bowler hat.

      secret type - enamels? belay What's the budget?
  14. iouris
    iouris 9 January 2021 22: 14
    +1
    Hunt down and destroy snipers before arriving at the position. Anti-snipers have to "train" too.
  15. Avior
    Avior 9 January 2021 22: 43
    +5
    fired and with a silencer

    https://mil.in.ua/uk/news/na-donbasi-snajpery-trenuyutsya-z-uar-10-ta-savage/
    1. Linxs
      Linxs 10 January 2021 02: 41
      -1
      Everyone is shooting with a sound moderator.
      9 out of 10 are Finnish.
      1. Avior
        Avior 10 January 2021 03: 16
        -1
        Not sure.
        Zbroyar z-10 is a civilian version of the rifle.
        Zbroyar produces his own mufflers and sound moderators.
  16. Normal ok
    Normal ok 10 January 2021 01: 35
    -1
    I am reading this thread now, and my soul is resting. In the sense that the discussion is not about h.h.h.o.s.w.h. but in fact. This is how it should be on VO.
    PS, At one of the MO shooting ranges in the Odessa region (I do not specify which one, because I do not want to be taken by the ass because some of them later fought), in the days before 2014, high-precision amateurs (with their expensive devices) settled (for rent). So, at distances of 800-1000, a sure defeat by the majority. Some individuals have contrived more. With SVD, this will not work, in any way.
    PPP. As an artilleryman, I think that the best sniper. this is MT-12 laughing Until now (almost 30 years) I can put the PF in the window.
  17. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 10 January 2021 01: 55
    +1
    Well .... read it ... learned ... gentlemen responsible, start (most likely continue) to train snipers in the LPNR - you see a lot of work
  18. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 10 January 2021 04: 22
    -1
    - "Snipers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are training in Donbass with new Ukrainian-made UAR-10 rifles and American Savage" - nonhumans !!! the place was no longer found, I would have trained them in the "sun" ..
    1. Kuzmitsky
      10 January 2021 10: 38
      +1
      The unit is in the ATO zone (now the OOS), which means that they train snipers who take part in hostilities, that is, they shoot at their compatriots, and not always in the military LDNR. For this they are trained.