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France names the condition under which it is ready to produce Rafale aircraft in India

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In an effort to expand the market, France plans to manufacture Rafale aircraft in India. But such an opportunity will be provided to New Delhi only if Dassault Aviation supplies at least 100 aircraft to this country.


This is reported by the Indian edition of The Print with reference to French sources.

They report that Emmanuel Bonn, a diplomatic adviser to the French President, who is visiting New Delhi, will come up with a government proposal to build Rafale fighters in India. In this case, the condition is also named.

France is ready to expand the production of "Rafale" in India, if this country buys at least 100 units of such aircraft. The same was stated by the CEO of Dassault Aviation during Aero India in 2019.

At the moment, 36 fighters have been contracted. Sources said that if India purchases less than 100 Rafals, the French manufacturer will not produce its aircraft there, but will still increase its purchases of Indian-made components for these fighters.

Senior sources in the Indian government note that French fighters are very expensive. Earlier it was reported that with maintenance and weapons, one such aircraft costs the Indian military budget more than $ 200 million.

Recall that India has not yet decided what other fighters to order besides Rafale. The list, which has been studied for at least 4 years, also includes Russian ones - Su-35 and MiG-35.
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 9 January 2021 14: 58
    +12
    One hundred planes will cost 20 billion! ??? This is a scam!))) I wonder if the Indians will be able to bring down the price ?? The French understand that the Indians need technology first of all! And they probably won't go anywhere.
    1. figwam
      figwam 9 January 2021 15: 04
      +5
      Quote: Magic Archer
      I wonder if the Indians will be able to bring down the price ??

      It's time for Hindus to think about buying a 5th generation aircraft.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 9 January 2021 15: 16
        +14
        It is time for them to stop being capricious, cunning and finally get off the ground with the 5th generation project with Russia.
        1. Soko
          Soko 9 January 2021 15: 25
          +26
          Quote: 210ox
          It's time for them to stop being capricious, cunning and finally get off the ground with the 5th generation project with Russia

          Hindus remember this when they get hot. For example, after the events in Ladakh.
        2. Machito
          Machito 9 January 2021 16: 28
          +11
          The Hindus, with their cunning, will wait for Pakistan to buy Sushki. There is no free cheese. Russia offered them good conditions, optimal in terms of price-quality ratio, but the Indians are all cunning. They want technology transfer for free. What is the bottom line? India's geopolitical rival, China, first set up the purchase of Russian aircraft, then technology, and now the aircraft itself produces and plans to create 5th generation aircraft. And the Indians are all cunning and puff out their cheeks. And China overshot them during this time. This is such a multi-vector nature.
          1. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 10 January 2021 10: 05
            +3
            And the Indians are all cunning and puff out their cheeks.

            That's for sure. He worked with many Indians. I noticed that they never take responsibility for their mistakes. They always try to blame someone else or dodge as best they can. Not honest guys.
      2. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 9 January 2021 16: 50
        +6
        Hindus are very fond of bargaining. This is another reason to gather a negotiating delegation. In the bazaar, as in the bazaar.
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 9 January 2021 18: 14
        +1
        if you can cut the dough on a 3rd generation fighter, they will buy it instead of the 5th
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    3. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 9 January 2021 15: 26
      +9
      What technology is there so interesting in Rafal that having bought 36 aircraft you can not find out and only SKD in India will show it ?!

      Raphael has nothing secret and unique, just an average fighter made using a large number of composites and the French will not transfer the technology of individual units and the production of materials for the glider to the Indians.
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 9 January 2021 16: 30
      +3
      So this is all a chok. It is not a cheap pleasure to deploy the infrastructure for absolutely someone else's equipment. She also needs everything else, up to hangars. And the connectors are not the same as on the DRYERS, the fuel is different, the software, people need to be retrained - and so on and so on .. The disco dancers have done utter stupidity. And most likely - just someone sooooo not sickly took on his paw ..
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 9 January 2021 18: 16
        0
        She needs everything else, right down to hangars. And the connectors are not the same as on the DRYERS, the fuel is different, the software, people need to be retrained - and so on and so on .. The disco dancers have done utter stupidity.

        -NORMAL EXPULSION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION FROM INDIA, + PUSH THE WEAK INDIANS AGAINST OFFICERS, then for the freedom of Tibet will be imposed sanctions against China
    5. iouris
      iouris 9 January 2021 17: 32
      0
      Quote: Magic Archer
      One hundred planes will cost 20 billion !?

      India does not need Rafale, but French aviation technology. It costs a lot. But it is not a fact that by paying this $ 100 billion, India will get everything it needs. This is the problem. But the claw is already bogged down.
    6. The popuas
      The popuas 9 January 2021 19: 32
      0
      Frogs can throw ... wink most likely they will go to the forest with their own condition
    7. UAZ 452
      UAZ 452 9 January 2021 20: 03
      0
      In all honesty, there is great doubt about the ability of Indians to embrace modern technology. Will they really be able to produce the same Su-30MKI, if they suddenly cut off the supply of vehicle sets? And the screwdriver assembly is still far from mastering the technology, although it is better than nothing.
    8. Clear
      Clear 9 January 2021 21: 02
      +2
      Senior sources in the Indian government note that French fighters are very expensive. Earlier it was reported that with maintenance and weapons, one such aircraft costs the Indian military budget more than $ 200 million.

      "beautiful amount 200".
      By the way, the "Yellow Vests" and the groups of hooligans who joined them caused damage to France in the amount of € 200 million, Minister of Economy and Finance Bruno Le Maire said on Tuesday, speaking at the Senate Commission on Economics.
      The speech was broadcast on the website of the upper house of the French parliament.
    9. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 10 January 2021 12: 10
      0
      And they probably won't go anywhere.

      They can run away to the Swedes - they are quite willing to share technology laughing
      1. Magic archer
        Magic archer 10 January 2021 14: 49
        +1
        The Indians have their own "analogue" of Grippen. Tejas. Also single-engine. Small. It is clear that Grippen is perfect. But this is a matter of prestige. Tejas has been sawing for almost 40 years. He began to fly. So the Swedes have no chance. Indians need a large twin-engine fighter of at least 4 ++
  2. Asad
    Asad 9 January 2021 15: 00
    +5
    Where there are four years and ten, until all the applicants spit!
  3. bessmertniy
    bessmertniy 9 January 2021 15: 04
    +10
    Cleverly the French make the Indians fork out. Probably, we need to raise prices for our planes - they will become more attractive. After all, many believe that the more expensive, the better the quality. what
    1. Clear
      Clear 9 January 2021 21: 10
      +2
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Cleverly the French make the Indians fork out. Probably, we need to raise prices for our planes - they will become more attractive. After all, many believe that the more expensive, the better the quality. what

      What did our boys do with the bearded ones from our planes, as Kisa Varobianinov said, "There can be no question of bargaining!" am
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 9 January 2021 21: 58
        +2
        Quote: Clear
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Cleverly the French make the Indians fork out. Probably, we need to raise prices for our planes - they will become more attractive. After all, many believe that the more expensive, the better the quality. what

        What did our boys do with the bearded ones from our planes, as Kisa Varobianinov said, "There can be no question of bargaining!" am
        Let me correct you in terms of the accuracy of the quote.
        1. Clear
          Clear 9 January 2021 22: 08
          +3
          Quote: Nagan
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: bessmertniy
          Cleverly the French make the Indians fork out. Probably, we need to raise prices for our planes - they will become more attractive. After all, many believe that the more expensive, the better the quality. what

          What did our boys do with the bearded ones from our planes, as Kisa Varobianinov said, "There can be no question of bargaining!" am
          Let me correct you in terms of the accuracy of the quote.

          This is what the 1895 sample means. drinks
  4. Ascold1901
    Ascold1901 9 January 2021 15: 11
    +5
    In India, it is always like this!)))) Tudy-syuds rush about, like something in an ice-hole.)))
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 January 2021 15: 20
    +3
    If I were the Minister of Defense of India, then I would buy 100 Rafale at the price of 1 euro for Rafale! Only on such conditions, and with the obligatory transfer of ALL technologies for their production in India!
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 9 January 2021 16: 44
      +5
      Approximately according to this scheme (more complicated and tricky, of course), the Swedes sold the Grippens to Brazil. - “Saab and the Swedish government have allowed Brazil to pay the first installment for the fighters six months after the delivery of the last ordered aircraft, scheduled for 2023.
      Moreover, after the first money transfer, Brazil will have to pay in full for the delivery of the Gripen NG fighters within 15 years. The company itself pledged to reinvest 175 (!) Percent of the contract value in the Brazilian economy, and it began to fulfill its promises even before the tender results were announced "
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 9 January 2021 18: 18
        +2
        to reinvest 175 (!) percent of the contract value in the Brazilian economy, and began to implement its promises even before the tender results were announced "

        -Ikea opens in all millionaires? Stools in exchange for an embryer?
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 9 January 2021 18: 42
          +4
          Firstly, Saab has set up joint ventures with Brazilian companies AEL Sistemas and Akaer to design and manufacture onboard equipment for Gripen. In 2011, the Saab research and design center opened in Brasilia. Saab aerostructures plant in charge of assembling Gripen in São Bernardo do Campo and Saab Sensores e Serviços do Brasil plant, also in São Bernardo do Campo, and a unit at Embraer plant in Gaviu Peixoto.
          Saab Brasil, a Grippen coma, serves Brazilian AT-4 RPGs, RBS-70 anti-aircraft systems, as well as air surveillance systems installed at Tom Jobim International Airport in Rio de Janeiro and Afonso Pena Airport in Curitiba.
          Secondly, even if they even invested in furniture manufacturing factories, that's not bad either. Jobs, quality goods, exports - all this will not be superfluous.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 9 January 2021 19: 05
            +1
            all of the above speaks for an integrated approach. it is not arms suppliers that work, but BANKERS (with a capital letter). Several years ago, Bobama wanted to bring trade with India to 1000 billion a year and apparently fulfilled the five-year plan. aircraft carriers and f18 are part of that collaboration. GL-DOUBLE TECHNOLOGIES AND LENDING OF JOINT PROJECTS, NOT ONE SINGLE DEALS.
            and to maintain our positions in Asia and LatAm, we need Sberbank and VTB projects for coffee + Su35, nuclear submarine and road construction, etc.
      2. Eug
        Eug 9 January 2021 21: 17
        +1
        A good way to enter the Brazilian market. Maybe some bird would like to rock the boat, but it's too late - Gripen is already there ...
  6. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 9 January 2021 15: 21
    +8
    France names the condition under which it is ready to produce Rafale aircraft in India


    Here are the conditions:
  7. garik77
    garik77 9 January 2021 15: 21
    +2
    Quote: Magic Archer
    One hundred planes will cost 20 billion! ??? This is a scam!))) I wonder if the Indians will be able to bring down the price ?? The French understand that the Indians need technology first of all! And they probably won't go anywhere.

    Yes bullshit! But how many kickbacks and saws will be! After all, every official must also eat!
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 January 2021 15: 21
    -4
    If I were the Minister of Defense of India, then I would buy 100 Rafale at the price of 1 euro for Rafale! Only on such conditions, and with the obligatory transfer of ALL technologies for their production in India!
    1. A good one
      A good one 9 January 2021 17: 30
      +1
      I wonder how much they would have slapped the Minister of Defense from others for this, and since they have long discussions, the clans participate, weigh the pros and cons, while the time is running out, throw new conditions and goodies and .... a new discussion.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 9 January 2021 15: 27
    +2
    Who will win .... trained dances, against the Gali cunning?
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 9 January 2021 15: 32
      +3
      Rosket 757 - there is one name from the Gauls, they are no longer the same as their ancestors! So, the Indians will not only re-sing them - they will dance, but they will also burn them like kittens!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 9 January 2021 16: 07
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        there is one name from the Gauls

        They remember, all, about the Gali cockerel!
        In what context and when ... differently.
        And with the Indians everything is complicated ... if they manage to throw the "chosen ones", it says a lot!
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 9 January 2021 15: 33
    +3
    winked Who would doubt that. Fed up, teased it's time to hook.
    1. A good one
      A good one 9 January 2021 17: 43
      +1
      The fisherman himself, but this fish is still that fish, will wear you out, laugh and throw, that is, spit it out.
  11. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 January 2021 15: 37
    0
    Deliberately impracticable. Mission invisible so to speak for Hindus. Razoritsya on the 99th plane and after the hundredth to realize that the 101st already nafig not rested. But dancing brahmas for a small bribe may come in, not to pay for tea from their wallet, but from the general.
  12. bar
    bar 9 January 2021 15: 56
    +3
    In an effort to expand the market, France plans to manufacture Rafale aircraft in India.

    It remains to be seen if India is planning this. laughing
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 9 January 2021 16: 27
    +3
    Classic aircraft from the pre-stealth era.
    Vertical keel. Rounded shapes.
    New models are no longer designed this way.
    Eh, Dassault Aviation .... once what
    Mirages did!
    1. A good one
      A good one 9 January 2021 17: 53
      0
      So everyone wants to fight so much, both sellers and buyers. Let's live like a peaceful life. yes
    2. D16
      D16 9 January 2021 18: 10
      0
      Eh, Dassault Aviation .... once what
      Mirages did!

      Time goes by, the arrows are spinning. Maneuvering is not in trend with you these days.
    3. nks
      nks 10 January 2021 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh

      Vertical keel. Rounded shapes.
      New models are no longer designed this way.

      Yes Yes:)))


      I understand that it is enviable. It seems like IAI wants to partially implement plug-and-play in the F-35I, similar to what is in Rafale - with the rest of the modifications in the F-35 it is more difficult
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 January 2021 14: 01
        +2
        Rafal failed all tenders: Canada, Switzerland, Brazil, Singapore ...
        you can still enumerate.
        But 200 pieces were collected in 8 years. This is a success.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 10 January 2021 14: 18
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          But 200 pieces were collected in 8 years. This is a success.

          Both Eurofighter and Rafal are excellent fighters, with all the characteristics of the 5th generation except for advanced stealth. But they failed to enter the economy. They are simply more expensive and the functionality is superfluous for buyers. In the commercial component, the United States bypasses them by 2 hulls, one F-35 project is worth something.
          1. nks
            nks 10 January 2021 14: 41
            +1
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            generations other than advanced stealth

            Raphael's "stealth" is just more advanced than the F-22 and F-35
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            But they failed to enter the economy.


            How is it? Dassault aviation has been a consistently profitable business. Rafali are on sale.
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            They are just more expensive

            Cheaper than the f-35 and even more so the F-22. The real cost for which even the USAF F-35s are now getting> $ 110 million. Plus, the f-35 is at least 2 times more expensive in operation than the Raphal (now ~ 3,5 times, but probably they are still optimizing)

            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            In the commercial component, the United States bypasses them by 2 buildings

            The United States is generally a country that is ~ 5 more populations than France, 20 in area and 10 in terms of the military budget. Well, the famous huge lobby
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 10 January 2021 14: 59
              +2
              Raphael's "stealth" is just more advanced than the F-22 and F-35 "///
              ----
              Raphael has no stealth at all. Just look at the shape of the plane.
              1. nks
                nks 10 January 2021 15: 08
                0
                Forms F-35 form the inscription "stealth"?))
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 10 January 2021 15: 10
                  +1
                  There are certain laws of form that are dictated by stealth.
                  Rafal does not have them.
                  One thing that might help a little: wave absorption - a lot of carbon.
                  1. nks
                    nks 11 January 2021 09: 21
                    -1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    There are certain laws of form

                    And you can formulate them technically correctly?

                    So far, all you can do is that in a single-sided ... one-keeled board is not at war now and therefore the SteAlTh nameplate cannot be glued in any way.
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    One thing that might help a little: wave absorption - a lot of carbon.

                    Oh, you all go on writing words you don’t understand.
                2. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 10 January 2021 15: 16
                  +1
                  That's when France will do something similar
                  to this - a 5th generation French concept -
                  it will be possible to talk about stealth.

                  By the way, I wish Dassault success good in that.
                  And then the European military aircraft industry will die altogether.
                  England weakened. Germany fell behind.
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 10 January 2021 15: 38
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    And then the European military aircraft industry will die altogether.
                    England weakened. Germany fell behind.

                    Why are they all burying Europe? Airbus overtook Boeing, 3 great fighters in the series, 2 great aircraft engine manufacturers.
                    Well, they don't have a clean 5th generation, but why do they need it? Their potential enemies do not have 5ok either, and in fact the whole difference is in the glider. Moreover, there is the F35.
                    The Turks are combing their fifth generation, BAE is right there. The TF-X project is very interesting, the Eurofighter in the 5th generation glider will be a serious player on the market. Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Algeria, Iraq, the kingdoms of the Gulf will want it too. The French government is now pursuing a very strange policy, Dassault may lose large markets.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 10 January 2021 17: 03
                      +1
                      I am not burying Europe, but specifically European MILITARY aircraft construction.
                      Israel does not have it at all, but nothing, we do not die. smile
                    2. nks
                      nks 11 January 2021 09: 34
                      0
                      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                      The French government is now conducting a very strange policy

                      This is what - what do you know about it?
                  2. nks
                    nks 11 January 2021 09: 32
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    That's when France will do something similar
                    on this

                    Make art similar to the Boeing F / A-XX art (it's the 6th generation with them - you are not confused)? We have already done this, only this is not art, but a normal model in CAD



                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    And then the European military aircraft industry will die altogether.

                    Generally, Boeing has systemic problems, not Dassault and Airbus
                    ... How is it - Boeing has turned "into an awkward sleepy structure" "Two hours of siesta
                    with a donut and cola, and then we'll take a little nap and work "?)) Well, nothing, lobbyists in Washington will save them - they won't let them die. Dassault is also worried about them - after all, he makes money on Boeing. Boeing also has tankers. problematic, but it's not a problem to lose two USAF tenders in a row to Airbus - there are lobbyists :)))
                    At LM, yes - so far only fighters are problematic, the rest pulls.
                    1. voyaka uh
                      voyaka uh 11 January 2021 10: 21
                      +1
                      ". How is it - Boeing has turned" into a clumsy sleepy structure "///
                      ----
                      I completely agree with this. good Similar problems.
                      Everything is slow and ineffective.
        2. nks
          nks 10 January 2021 14: 26
          0
          I understand that you are not an engineer, your technical literacy is bad, and in the essence of your theses you have nothing to say - why just start a topic?
          As for marketing, you also need to read carefully. The Swiss technical report for the first tender (which ended in nothing) is available - the rafal there is absolutely the best. By the way, from the second tender, gripen, which was chosen as the cheapest, was asked, because SAAB could not do what it promised. And in the rest, mentioned by you, there were no full-fledged tenders.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 January 2021 14: 38
            +1
            Dassault Aviation was a wonderful Jewish family business.
            Made great planes that were smashed in Israel
            their opponents in 50-70 years.
            Everything was fine until he got involved in the company
            French state.
            And it didn't turn the firm into a clumsy sleepy structure like everyone else
            French semi-state firms. Two hours siesta
            with a bottle of red, and then we will take a little nap and work. laughing
            So they doze off stealth, doze off the fifth generation.
            We got excited: and Rafal appeared with a manual one-piece assembly
            and a rhino refueling bar in front of the cockpit. belay
            Although the avionics were installed up-to-date, this cannot be taken away ...
            In general, I am writing about this with bitterness. sad
            1. nks
              nks 10 January 2021 14: 51
              0
              Listen, why are you being so disgraced - it's just a shame for you. Can you at least familiarize yourself with Wikipedia in this regard, or just as that Chukchi from the anecdote?
              Dassault Aviation is a private company, the state's share in it is not there only through airbus, which owns <10% DA (and in the airbus itself, about the same share of the government)
  14. altimo1
    altimo1 9 January 2021 17: 08
    +2
    So it is necessary with these gigans. )))
  15. 23424636
    23424636 9 January 2021 17: 28
    +4
    Hindus are the rarest scoundrels in the field of settlements .. One plant supplied rolling rolls to Pkhilai. These, in addition to small services, required a 10-year guarantee of the European bank for the quality of the rolls. At the end of 10 years, these drew up a marriage act and peremptorily wrote off the money reserved for this case in the European bank. People have already changed and the other structure has changed and those who signed the contract quit, but the vile Hindustans decided to make a cash even in these conditions. There are simply no words.
  16. boris epstein
    boris epstein 9 January 2021 17: 38
    +1
    Actually, my knowledge in international commerce is not great, but I have always believed that the conditions are set by the BUYER. There is a saying on this topic: "If a husband cannot give something to his wife, it is
    will give her another. "And the French have been showing off with Rafals for India for a long time. They don't want to produce two-seater planes for India (pilot and navigator-bombardier), now they don't want to sell less than 100.
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 9 January 2021 18: 29
      +2
      Quote: boris epstein
      Actually, my knowledge in international commerce is not great, but I have always believed that the conditions are set by the BUYER. ...
      Let's remember the construction of the SP-2 ...
      Russia-BUYER of construction services for the laying of SP-2 - usa am impose sanctions and ... all 2020 "construction of the century" stands, all hope for OWN forces - "Academician Chersky". "International commerce" = international politics - who bends whom - he sets the conditions bully
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 9 January 2021 18: 47
        +1
        In fact, Russia is one of the SP-2 builders, not the buyers of services.
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 9 January 2021 18: 53
          +1
          Quote: boris epstein
          In fact, Russia is one of the SP-2 builders, not the buyers of services.
          Then why exactly Russia is trying to finish building SP-2, and construction contractors are not queuing up to complete SP-2 ...
    2. nks
      nks 10 January 2021 13: 58
      -1
      Quote: boris epstein
      Actually, my knowledge in international commerce is not great, but I have always believed that the conditions are set by the BUYER.

      You apparently have no knowledge at all. There is a market for a seller and a buyer (although, like any model, this is a simplification)
      Quote: boris epstein
      They do not want to produce two-seater planes for India (pilot and navigator-bombardier), now they do not want to sell less than 100.

      Where did you read such nonsense, can you find out?
      Quote: boris epstein
      now they don't want to sell less than 100.

      You would try at least to read this note carefully (I'm not talking about getting to know the topic in general)
      Do not want deploy Rafale production in India when ordering <100 boards. And this is not news at all - in fact, these are the conditions of the Indian tender itself, which was launched back in 2000. In general, both Dassault and Thales have already built enterprises in India - so everything is ready. In this case, they slow down in India - so their time does not matter :))
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 10 January 2021 14: 50
        0
        Whose clone? Although I guess roughly. There are three here, and they also act in the same way.
        1. nks
          nks 10 January 2021 14: 54
          0
          What, Boris, minus and go straight to the hole? However, I'm not sorry. And still broaden your horizons on the topic, otherwise it is somehow inconvenient to write such nonsense with such a respectable name. Here 99% write nonsense, but you could probably better not be among them.
          1. boris epstein
            boris epstein 10 January 2021 14: 56
            0
            Keep the tips for yourself and your patrons. I know them all. They will also get them. You set them up. The manner of provocation is completely identical.
            1. nks
              nks 10 January 2021 14: 59
              0
              Oh, excuse me - I was wrong, you are just such a creative person. Can you at least tell about my patrons?
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 9 January 2021 17: 58
    -1
    Of course Rafale, don't even think about it! We bought a batch of 200 Lyamas apiece, which is more expensive than the F-35 and then we have to jump on a rake! Perhaps the most interesting thing is that the material does not talk about technology transfer at all. Just assembly.
  18. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 9 January 2021 18: 31
    -1
    Hindus, in order to overtake China and Pakistan, need to buy our Su 35, with a subsequent paid application for the Su 57, or buy an American f 35, all fourth-generation aircraft are already yesterday
  19. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 9 January 2021 21: 49
    0
    Until vaccination against covid19 occurs and, accordingly, quarantine measures are not canceled, the Indians will not buy anything significant from anyone, no matter how they need it.

    For the successful conclusion of a contract, the Indians need to negotiate with them, including in private, in order to discuss all the "nuances" without extra ears.

    What is happening now is purely informational interventions that are just to warm up, so that they do not forget that there are Frenchmen with their Raphael and there are Indians who need planes.

    Some shout loudly "Yes, we will sell you with the organization of production, just buy at least a hundred ...", while others answer them "yes, we will buy from you, only the price should be normal ..."

    We also need to throw in something like "the fifth generation is a little more expensive than the French fourth ..."
  20. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 9 January 2021 21: 58
    -3
    Yes, if you breed suckers, then "in full"))) it's even scary to think how much the plane of the 4th generation will cost the Indians. It may be better to immediately buy the 5th, it will be cheaper))))
  21. Voltsky
    Voltsky 9 January 2021 23: 41
    +2
    it would be wise to raise fighter prices for India and make them cheaper for Pakistan; and with every new series of Indian films, to improve the offer for Pakistan including a range of technologies. A miser pays twice, Indians 1.5 lard, they can pay exorbitant prices for their safety ...
    Brahma-Moscow does not sound bad, but Ind-Yenisei looks the same way; what is written in the contract about the non-proliferation of technologies to third-party states in the contract ?! How is the Indian Navy doing ?!
    1. Avior
      Avior 10 January 2021 03: 21
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      Selling to Pakistan is like dumping technology and China. Does Russia need it?
      1. Voltsky
        Voltsky 10 January 2021 03: 25
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        you mean what technologies that should not wait for China ?! About S-300/400, Su-30MKK / 35S, Kh-55
        I don’t know who needs what there ... but all military technologies have an export passport ...
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 10 January 2021 10: 41
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          The Ukrainians sold the X-55 to China and Iran ..... Pakistan developed the CD based on the Tomogavks received (fallen on its territory). Su27 (30) RF sold a license to China ..... Pakistan uses a half-MiG FT-17. S-300-400 delivered to China.
          So that everything is already sold. While India is thinking and accelerating.
        2. Avior
          Avior 10 January 2021 11: 35
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          ... it would be wise to raise fighter prices for India and make them cheaper for Pakistan;

          In context, you wrote about the 5th generation fighters. And about the fact that inexpensive purchased technologies from Pakistan will float to China - don't go to grandma
          1. Voltsky
            Voltsky 10 January 2021 15: 25
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            Quote: Avior
            By context, you wrote about the 5th generation fighters

            as far as I remember, you are just suggesting to the Chinese and indeed to everyone who wants to buy their su-57; so why your opus ?!
            1. Avior
              Avior 10 January 2021 16: 49
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              First, they want to take money from the Chinese for a fairly large batch.
              And the Chinese only need a couple to copy
              1. Voltsky
                Voltsky 10 January 2021 16: 53
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                we are aware of this, and then what? :)
                1. Avior
                  Avior 10 January 2021 17: 13
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                  ... Selling to Pakistan is like dumping technology and China.

                  hi
                  1. Voltsky
                    Voltsky 10 January 2021 18: 51
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                    what ?!
                    What prevents to sell su-57 to Pakistan, information leak to China !? And if you sell them to China, there will be no leakage !?
                    Or is it still the main thing is the massive purchase. what is China, what is the same Pakistan - no ?!
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 10 January 2021 19: 53
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                      ... make them cheaper for Pakistan; and with every new episode of Indian cinema, to improve the offer for Pakistan including a number of technologies

                      Read - cheaply drain technology to China.
                      What I wrote about.
                      hi
                      1. Voltsky
                        Voltsky 10 January 2021 19: 57
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                        Well, it can be more expensive, what's the problem?

                        or are you fundamentally afraid of the Chinese? :) Well, if so, it might be easier to wind up defense export, the same Turks with a 50/50 probability can fuse a star-striped s-400; and taking into account the human factor, India is also quite capable of transferring a number of systems transferred to them from the RF SGA ...

                        What do you want ?! Trade, or build intrigues in style, who will steal which technologies ?!
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 10 January 2021 20: 22
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                        I personally don't sell anything smile
                        I described the situation with the cheap sale of aircraft to Pakistan. Obviously, the strategy you described will leak technology to China on the cheap, so it’s hard to believe that it will be implemented - this trade with India would be too expensive.
                        And I don't see what else can be discussed here, the situation is clear
                        hi
                      3. Voltsky
                        Voltsky 10 January 2021 23: 11
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                        Well, here we just talked, I'm not sure if my approach is on the list of reasonable ones either :)
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 January 2021 10: 38
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    To be honest, the time of the 4th generation is leaving ...... and many countries are developing the 5th generation. Moreover, the Frenchman has a price like the 5th generation. Therefore, they could well sell the license to India.