France names the condition under which it is ready to produce Rafale aircraft in India

In an effort to expand the market, France plans to manufacture Rafale aircraft in India. But such an opportunity will be provided to New Delhi only if Dassault Aviation supplies at least 100 aircraft to this country.

This is reported by the Indian edition of The Print with reference to French sources.

They report that Emmanuel Bonn, a diplomatic adviser to the French President, who is visiting New Delhi, will come up with a government proposal to build Rafale fighters in India. In this case, the condition is also named.

France is ready to expand the production of "Rafale" in India, if this country buys at least 100 units of such aircraft. The same was stated by the CEO of Dassault Aviation during Aero India in 2019.

At the moment, 36 fighters have been contracted. Sources said that if India purchases less than 100 Rafals, the French manufacturer will not produce its aircraft there, but will still increase its purchases of Indian-made components for these fighters.

Senior sources in the Indian government note that French fighters are very expensive. Earlier it was reported that with maintenance and weapons, one such aircraft costs the Indian military budget more than $ 200 million.

Recall that India has not yet decided what other fighters to order besides Rafale. The list, which has been studied for at least 4 years, also includes Russian ones - Su-35 and MiG-35.

Comments

[Magic archer]

One hundred planes will cost 20 billion! ??? This is a scam!))) I wonder if the Indians will be able to bring down the price ?? The French understand that the Indians need technology first of all! And they probably won't go anywhere.

[figwam]

Quote: Magic Archer

I wonder if the Indians will be able to bring down the price ??

It's time for Hindus to think about buying a 5th generation aircraft.

[210ox]

It is time for them to stop being capricious, cunning and finally get off the ground with the 5th generation project with Russia.

[Soko]

Quote: 210ox

It's time for them to stop being capricious, cunning and finally get off the ground with the 5th generation project with Russia

Hindus remember this when they get hot. For example, after the events in Ladakh.

[Machito]

The Hindus, with their cunning, will wait for Pakistan to buy Sushki. There is no free cheese. Russia offered them good conditions, optimal in terms of price-quality ratio, but the Indians are all cunning. They want technology transfer for free. What is the bottom line? India's geopolitical rival, China, first set up the purchase of Russian aircraft, then technology, and now the aircraft itself produces and plans to create 5th generation aircraft. And the Indians are all cunning and puff out their cheeks. And China overshot them during this time. This is such a multi-vector nature.

[Alex Justice]

And the Indians are all cunning and puff out their cheeks.

That's for sure. He worked with many Indians. I noticed that they never take responsibility for their mistakes. They always try to blame someone else or dodge as best they can. Not honest guys.

[oleg-gr]

Hindus are very fond of bargaining. This is another reason to gather a negotiating delegation. In the bazaar, as in the bazaar.

[antivirus]

if you can cut the dough on a 3rd generation fighter, they will buy it instead of the 5th

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

What technology is there so interesting in Rafal that having bought 36 aircraft you can not find out and only SKD in India will show it ?!

Raphael has nothing secret and unique, just an average fighter made using a large number of composites and the French will not transfer the technology of individual units and the production of materials for the glider to the Indians.

[paul3390]

So this is all a chok. It is not a cheap pleasure to deploy the infrastructure for absolutely someone else's equipment. She also needs everything else, up to hangars. And the connectors are not the same as on the DRYERS, the fuel is different, the software, people need to be retrained - and so on and so on .. The disco dancers have done utter stupidity. And most likely - just someone sooooo not sickly took on his paw ..

[antivirus]

She needs everything else, right down to hangars. And the connectors are not the same as on the DRYERS, the fuel is different, the software, people need to be retrained - and so on and so on .. The disco dancers have done utter stupidity.

-NORMAL EXPULSION OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION FROM INDIA, + PUSH THE WEAK INDIANS AGAINST OFFICERS, then for the freedom of Tibet will be imposed sanctions against China

[iouris]

Quote: Magic Archer

One hundred planes will cost 20 billion !?

India does not need Rafale, but French aviation technology. It costs a lot. But it is not a fact that by paying this $ 100 billion, India will get everything it needs. This is the problem. But the claw is already bogged down.

[The popuas]

Frogs can throw ... most likely they will go to the forest with their own condition

[UAZ 452]

In all honesty, there is great doubt about the ability of Indians to embrace modern technology. Will they really be able to produce the same Su-30MKI, if they suddenly cut off the supply of vehicle sets? And the screwdriver assembly is still far from mastering the technology, although it is better than nothing.

[Clear]

Senior sources in the Indian government note that French fighters are very expensive. Earlier it was reported that with maintenance and weapons, one such aircraft costs the Indian military budget more than $ 200 million.

"beautiful amount 200".
By the way, the "Yellow Vests" and the groups of hooligans who joined them caused damage to France in the amount of € 200 million, Minister of Economy and Finance Bruno Le Maire said on Tuesday, speaking at the Senate Commission on Economics.

The speech was broadcast on the website of the upper house of the French parliament.

[Petro_tut]

And they probably won't go anywhere.

They can run away to the Swedes - they are quite willing to share technology

[Magic archer]

The Indians have their own "analogue" of Grippen. Tejas. Also single-engine. Small. It is clear that Grippen is perfect. But this is a matter of prestige. Tejas has been sawing for almost 40 years. He began to fly. So the Swedes have no chance. Indians need a large twin-engine fighter of at least 4 ++

[Asad]

Where there are four years and ten, until all the applicants spit!

[bessmertniy]

Cleverly the French make the Indians fork out. Probably, we need to raise prices for our planes - they will become more attractive. After all, many believe that the more expensive, the better the quality.

[Clear]

Quote: bessmertniy

Cleverly the French make the Indians fork out. Probably, we need to raise prices for our planes - they will become more attractive. After all, many believe that the more expensive, the better the quality.

What did our boys do with the bearded ones from our planes, as Kisa Varobianinov said, "There can be no question of bargaining!"

[Revolver]

Quote: Clear

Quote: bessmertniy

Cleverly the French make the Indians fork out. Probably, we need to raise prices for our planes - they will become more attractive. After all, many believe that the more expensive, the better the quality.

What did our boys do with the bearded ones from our planes, as Kisa Varobianinov said, "There can be no question of bargaining!"

Let me correct you in terms of the accuracy of the quote.

[Clear]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Clear

Quote: bessmertniy

Cleverly the French make the Indians fork out. Probably, we need to raise prices for our planes - they will become more attractive. After all, many believe that the more expensive, the better the quality.

What did our boys do with the bearded ones from our planes, as Kisa Varobianinov said, "There can be no question of bargaining!"

Let me correct you in terms of the accuracy of the quote.

This is what the 1895 sample means.

[Ascold1901]

In India, it is always like this!)))) Tudy-syuds rush about, like something in an ice-hole.)))

[Thrifty]

If I were the Minister of Defense of India, then I would buy 100 Rafale at the price of 1 euro for Rafale! Only on such conditions, and with the obligatory transfer of ALL technologies for their production in India!

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Approximately according to this scheme (more complicated and tricky, of course), the Swedes sold the Grippens to Brazil. - “Saab and the Swedish government have allowed Brazil to pay the first installment for the fighters six months after the delivery of the last ordered aircraft, scheduled for 2023.
Moreover, after the first money transfer, Brazil will have to pay in full for the delivery of the Gripen NG fighters within 15 years. The company itself pledged to reinvest 175 (!) Percent of the contract value in the Brazilian economy, and it began to fulfill its promises even before the tender results were announced "

[antivirus]

to reinvest 175 (!) percent of the contract value in the Brazilian economy, and began to implement its promises even before the tender results were announced "

-Ikea opens in all millionaires? Stools in exchange for an embryer?

[Sergey Sfiedu]

Firstly, Saab has set up joint ventures with Brazilian companies AEL Sistemas and Akaer to design and manufacture onboard equipment for Gripen. In 2011, the Saab research and design center opened in Brasilia. Saab aerostructures plant in charge of assembling Gripen in São Bernardo do Campo and Saab Sensores e Serviços do Brasil plant, also in São Bernardo do Campo, and a unit at Embraer plant in Gaviu Peixoto.
Saab Brasil, a Grippen coma, serves Brazilian AT-4 RPGs, RBS-70 anti-aircraft systems, as well as air surveillance systems installed at Tom Jobim International Airport in Rio de Janeiro and Afonso Pena Airport in Curitiba.
Secondly, even if they even invested in furniture manufacturing factories, that's not bad either. Jobs, quality goods, exports - all this will not be superfluous.

[antivirus]

all of the above speaks for an integrated approach. it is not arms suppliers that work, but BANKERS (with a capital letter). Several years ago, Bobama wanted to bring trade with India to 1000 billion a year and apparently fulfilled the five-year plan. aircraft carriers and f18 are part of that collaboration. GL-DOUBLE TECHNOLOGIES AND LENDING OF JOINT PROJECTS, NOT ONE SINGLE DEALS.
and to maintain our positions in Asia and LatAm, we need Sberbank and VTB projects for coffee + Su35, nuclear submarine and road construction, etc.

[Eug]

A good way to enter the Brazilian market. Maybe some bird would like to rock the boat, but it's too late - Gripen is already there ...

[Lord of the Sith]

France names the condition under which it is ready to produce Rafale aircraft in India

Here are the conditions:

[garik77]

Quote: Magic Archer

One hundred planes will cost 20 billion! ??? This is a scam!))) I wonder if the Indians will be able to bring down the price ?? The French understand that the Indians need technology first of all! And they probably won't go anywhere.

Yes bullshit! But how many kickbacks and saws will be! After all, every official must also eat!

[Thrifty]

If I were the Minister of Defense of India, then I would buy 100 Rafale at the price of 1 euro for Rafale! Only on such conditions, and with the obligatory transfer of ALL technologies for their production in India!

[A good one]

I wonder how much they would have slapped the Minister of Defense from others for this, and since they have long discussions, the clans participate, weigh the pros and cons, while the time is running out, throw new conditions and goodies and .... a new discussion.

[rocket757]

Who will win .... trained dances, against the Gali cunning?

[Thrifty]

Rosket 757 - there is one name from the Gauls, they are no longer the same as their ancestors! So, the Indians will not only re-sing them - they will dance, but they will also burn them like kittens!

[rocket757]

Quote: Thrifty

there is one name from the Gauls

They remember, all, about the Gali cockerel!
In what context and when ... differently.
And with the Indians everything is complicated ... if they manage to throw the "chosen ones", it says a lot!

[Prisoner]

Who would doubt that. Fed up, teased it's time to hook.

[A good one]

The fisherman himself, but this fish is still that fish, will wear you out, laugh and throw, that is, spit it out.

[evgen1221]

Deliberately impracticable. Mission invisible so to speak for Hindus. Razoritsya on the 99th plane and after the hundredth to realize that the 101st already nafig not rested. But dancing brahmas for a small bribe may come in, not to pay for tea from their wallet, but from the general.

[bar]

In an effort to expand the market, France plans to manufacture Rafale aircraft in India.

It remains to be seen if India is planning this.

[voyaka uh]

Classic aircraft from the pre-stealth era.
Vertical keel. Rounded shapes.
New models are no longer designed this way.
Eh, Dassault Aviation .... once what
Mirages did!

[A good one]

So everyone wants to fight so much, both sellers and buyers. Let's live like a peaceful life.

[D16]

Eh, Dassault Aviation .... once what
Mirages did!

Time goes by, the arrows are spinning. Maneuvering is not in trend with you these days.

[nks]

Quote: voyaka uh

Vertical keel. Rounded shapes.
New models are no longer designed this way.

Yes Yes:)))


I understand that it is enviable. It seems like IAI wants to partially implement plug-and-play in the F-35I, similar to what is in Rafale - with the rest of the modifications in the F-35 it is more difficult

[voyaka uh]

Rafal failed all tenders: Canada, Switzerland, Brazil, Singapore ...
you can still enumerate.
But 200 pieces were collected in 8 years. This is a success.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

But 200 pieces were collected in 8 years. This is a success.

Both Eurofighter and Rafal are excellent fighters, with all the characteristics of the 5th generation except for advanced stealth. But they failed to enter the economy. They are simply more expensive and the functionality is superfluous for buyers. In the commercial component, the United States bypasses them by 2 hulls, one F-35 project is worth something.

[nks]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

generations other than advanced stealth

Raphael's "stealth" is just more advanced than the F-22 and F-35

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

But they failed to enter the economy.

How is it? Dassault aviation has been a consistently profitable business. Rafali are on sale.

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

They are just more expensive

Cheaper than the f-35 and even more so the F-22. The real cost for which even the USAF F-35s are now getting> $ 110 million. Plus, the f-35 is at least 2 times more expensive in operation than the Raphal (now ~ 3,5 times, but probably they are still optimizing)

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

In the commercial component, the United States bypasses them by 2 buildings

The United States is generally a country that is ~ 5 more populations than France, 20 in area and 10 in terms of the military budget. Well, the famous huge lobby

[voyaka uh]

Raphael's "stealth" is just more advanced than the F-22 and F-35 "///
----
Raphael has no stealth at all. Just look at the shape of the plane.

[nks]

Forms F-35 form the inscription "stealth"?))

[voyaka uh]

There are certain laws of form that are dictated by stealth.
Rafal does not have them.
One thing that might help a little: wave absorption - a lot of carbon.

[nks]

Quote: voyaka uh

There are certain laws of form

And you can formulate them technically correctly?

So far, all you can do is that in a single-sided ... one-keeled board is not at war now and therefore the SteAlTh nameplate cannot be glued in any way.

Quote: voyaka uh

One thing that might help a little: wave absorption - a lot of carbon.

Oh, you all go on writing words you don’t understand.

[voyaka uh]

That's when France will do something similar
to this - a 5th generation French concept -
it will be possible to talk about stealth.

By the way, I wish Dassault success in that.
And then the European military aircraft industry will die altogether.
England weakened. Germany fell behind.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

And then the European military aircraft industry will die altogether.
England weakened. Germany fell behind.

Why are they all burying Europe? Airbus overtook Boeing, 3 great fighters in the series, 2 great aircraft engine manufacturers.
Well, they don't have a clean 5th generation, but why do they need it? Their potential enemies do not have 5ok either, and in fact the whole difference is in the glider. Moreover, there is the F35.
The Turks are combing their fifth generation, BAE is right there. The TF-X project is very interesting, the Eurofighter in the 5th generation glider will be a serious player on the market. Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Algeria, Iraq, the kingdoms of the Gulf will want it too. The French government is now pursuing a very strange policy, Dassault may lose large markets.

[voyaka uh]

I am not burying Europe, but specifically European MILITARY aircraft construction.
Israel does not have it at all, but nothing, we do not die.

[nks]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The French government is now conducting a very strange policy

This is what - what do you know about it?

[nks]

Quote: voyaka uh

That's when France will do something similar
on this

Make art similar to the Boeing F / A-XX art (it's the 6th generation with them - you are not confused)? We have already done this, only this is not art, but a normal model in CAD

Quote: voyaka uh

And then the European military aircraft industry will die altogether.

Generally, Boeing has systemic problems, not Dassault and Airbus
... How is it - Boeing has turned "into an awkward sleepy structure" "Two hours of siesta
with a donut and cola, and then we'll take a little nap and work "?)) Well, nothing, lobbyists in Washington will save them - they won't let them die. Dassault is also worried about them - after all, he makes money on Boeing. Boeing also has tankers. problematic, but it's not a problem to lose two USAF tenders in a row to Airbus - there are lobbyists :)))
At LM, yes - so far only fighters are problematic, the rest pulls.

[voyaka uh]

". How is it - Boeing has turned" into a clumsy sleepy structure "///
----
I completely agree with this. Similar problems.
Everything is slow and ineffective.

[nks]

I understand that you are not an engineer, your technical literacy is bad, and in the essence of your theses you have nothing to say - why just start a topic?
As for marketing, you also need to read carefully. The Swiss technical report for the first tender (which ended in nothing) is available - the rafal there is absolutely the best. By the way, from the second tender, gripen, which was chosen as the cheapest, was asked, because SAAB could not do what it promised. And in the rest, mentioned by you, there were no full-fledged tenders.

[voyaka uh]

Dassault Aviation was a wonderful Jewish family business.
Made great planes that were smashed in Israel
their opponents in 50-70 years.
Everything was fine until he got involved in the company
French state.
And it didn't turn the firm into a clumsy sleepy structure like everyone else
French semi-state firms. Two hours siesta
with a bottle of red, and then we will take a little nap and work.
So they doze off stealth, doze off the fifth generation.
We got excited: and Rafal appeared with a manual one-piece assembly
and a rhino refueling bar in front of the cockpit.
Although the avionics were installed up-to-date, this cannot be taken away ...
In general, I am writing about this with bitterness.

[nks]

Listen, why are you being so disgraced - it's just a shame for you. Can you at least familiarize yourself with Wikipedia in this regard, or just as that Chukchi from the anecdote?
Dassault Aviation is a private company, the state's share in it is not there only through airbus, which owns <10% DA (and in the airbus itself, about the same share of the government)

[altimo1]

So it is necessary with these gigans. )))

[23424636]

Hindus are the rarest scoundrels in the field of settlements .. One plant supplied rolling rolls to Pkhilai. These, in addition to small services, required a 10-year guarantee of the European bank for the quality of the rolls. At the end of 10 years, these drew up a marriage act and peremptorily wrote off the money reserved for this case in the European bank. People have already changed and the other structure has changed and those who signed the contract quit, but the vile Hindustans decided to make a cash even in these conditions. There are simply no words.

[boris epstein]

Actually, my knowledge in international commerce is not great, but I have always believed that the conditions are set by the BUYER. There is a saying on this topic: "If a husband cannot give something to his wife, it is
will give her another. "And the French have been showing off with Rafals for India for a long time. They don't want to produce two-seater planes for India (pilot and navigator-bombardier), now they don't want to sell less than 100.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: boris epstein

Actually, my knowledge in international commerce is not great, but I have always believed that the conditions are set by the BUYER. ...

Let's remember the construction of the SP-2 ...
Russia-BUYER of construction services for the laying of SP-2 - usa impose sanctions and ... all 2020 "construction of the century" stands, all hope for OWN forces - "Academician Chersky". "International commerce" = international politics - who bends whom - he sets the conditions

[boris epstein]

In fact, Russia is one of the SP-2 builders, not the buyers of services.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: boris epstein

In fact, Russia is one of the SP-2 builders, not the buyers of services.

Then why exactly Russia is trying to finish building SP-2, and construction contractors are not queuing up to complete SP-2 ...

[nks]

Quote: boris epstein

Actually, my knowledge in international commerce is not great, but I have always believed that the conditions are set by the BUYER.

You apparently have no knowledge at all. There is a market for a seller and a buyer (although, like any model, this is a simplification)

Quote: boris epstein

They do not want to produce two-seater planes for India (pilot and navigator-bombardier), now they do not want to sell less than 100.

Where did you read such nonsense, can you find out?

Quote: boris epstein

now they don't want to sell less than 100.

You would try at least to read this note carefully (I'm not talking about getting to know the topic in general)
Do not want deploy Rafale production in India when ordering <100 boards. And this is not news at all - in fact, these are the conditions of the Indian tender itself, which was launched back in 2000. In general, both Dassault and Thales have already built enterprises in India - so everything is ready. In this case, they slow down in India - so their time does not matter :))

[boris epstein]

Whose clone? Although I guess roughly. There are three here, and they also act in the same way.

[nks]

What, Boris, minus and go straight to the hole? However, I'm not sorry. And still broaden your horizons on the topic, otherwise it is somehow inconvenient to write such nonsense with such a respectable name. Here 99% write nonsense, but you could probably better not be among them.

[boris epstein]

Keep the tips for yourself and your patrons. I know them all. They will also get them. You set them up. The manner of provocation is completely identical.

[nks]

Oh, excuse me - I was wrong, you are just such a creative person. Can you at least tell about my patrons?

[APASUS]

Of course Rafale, don't even think about it! We bought a batch of 200 Lyamas apiece, which is more expensive than the F-35 and then we have to jump on a rake! Perhaps the most interesting thing is that the material does not talk about technology transfer at all. Just assembly.

[CommanderDIVA]

Hindus, in order to overtake China and Pakistan, need to buy our Su 35, with a subsequent paid application for the Su 57, or buy an American f 35, all fourth-generation aircraft are already yesterday

[Pandiurin]

Until vaccination against covid19 occurs and, accordingly, quarantine measures are not canceled, the Indians will not buy anything significant from anyone, no matter how they need it.

For the successful conclusion of a contract, the Indians need to negotiate with them, including in private, in order to discuss all the "nuances" without extra ears.

What is happening now is purely informational interventions that are just to warm up, so that they do not forget that there are Frenchmen with their Raphael and there are Indians who need planes.

Some shout loudly "Yes, we will sell you with the organization of production, just buy at least a hundred ...", while others answer them "yes, we will buy from you, only the price should be normal ..."

We also need to throw in something like "the fifth generation is a little more expensive than the French fourth ..."

[TermNachTer]

Yes, if you breed suckers, then "in full"))) it's even scary to think how much the plane of the 4th generation will cost the Indians. It may be better to immediately buy the 5th, it will be cheaper))))

[Voltsky]

it would be wise to raise fighter prices for India and make them cheaper for Pakistan; and with every new series of Indian films, to improve the offer for Pakistan including a range of technologies. A miser pays twice, Indians 1.5 lard, they can pay exorbitant prices for their safety ...
Brahma-Moscow does not sound bad, but Ind-Yenisei looks the same way; what is written in the contract about the non-proliferation of technologies to third-party states in the contract ?! How is the Indian Navy doing ?!

[Avior]

Selling to Pakistan is like dumping technology and China. Does Russia need it?

[Voltsky]

you mean what technologies that should not wait for China ?! About S-300/400, Su-30MKK / 35S, Kh-55
I don’t know who needs what there ... but all military technologies have an export passport ...

[Zaurbek]

The Ukrainians sold the X-55 to China and Iran ..... Pakistan developed the CD based on the Tomogavks received (fallen on its territory). Su27 (30) RF sold a license to China ..... Pakistan uses a half-MiG FT-17. S-300-400 delivered to China.
So that everything is already sold. While India is thinking and accelerating.

[Avior]

... it would be wise to raise fighter prices for India and make them cheaper for Pakistan;

In context, you wrote about the 5th generation fighters. And about the fact that inexpensive purchased technologies from Pakistan will float to China - don't go to grandma

[Voltsky]

Quote: Avior

By context, you wrote about the 5th generation fighters

as far as I remember, you are just suggesting to the Chinese and indeed to everyone who wants to buy their su-57; so why your opus ?!

[Avior]

First, they want to take money from the Chinese for a fairly large batch.
And the Chinese only need a couple to copy

[Voltsky]

we are aware of this, and then what? :)

[Avior]

... Selling to Pakistan is like dumping technology and China.

[Voltsky]

what ?!
What prevents to sell su-57 to Pakistan, information leak to China !? And if you sell them to China, there will be no leakage !?
Or is it still the main thing is the massive purchase. what is China, what is the same Pakistan - no ?!

[Avior]

... make them cheaper for Pakistan; and with every new episode of Indian cinema, to improve the offer for Pakistan including a number of technologies

Read - cheaply drain technology to China.
What I wrote about.

[Voltsky]

Well, it can be more expensive, what's the problem?

or are you fundamentally afraid of the Chinese? :) Well, if so, it might be easier to wind up defense export, the same Turks with a 50/50 probability can fuse a star-striped s-400; and taking into account the human factor, India is also quite capable of transferring a number of systems transferred to them from the RF SGA ...

What do you want ?! Trade, or build intrigues in style, who will steal which technologies ?!

[Avior]

I personally don't sell anything
I described the situation with the cheap sale of aircraft to Pakistan. Obviously, the strategy you described will leak technology to China on the cheap, so it’s hard to believe that it will be implemented - this trade with India would be too expensive.
And I don't see what else can be discussed here, the situation is clear

[Voltsky]

Well, here we just talked, I'm not sure if my approach is on the list of reasonable ones either :)

[Zaurbek]

To be honest, the time of the 4th generation is leaving ...... and many countries are developing the 5th generation. Moreover, the Frenchman has a price like the 5th generation. Therefore, they could well sell the license to India.