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Chinese press explained why "China can no longer rely on Russian engines for J-20 fighters"

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Chinese press explained why "China can no longer rely on Russian engines for J-20 fighters"

The Chinese press released a material stating that the fifth generation J-20 fighters will no longer be equipped with Russian-made engines. Recall that on the first samples of these fighters, which in China itself belong to the new generation, it was the Russian AL-31F engines of certain modifications that were installed.


SCMP edition:

China has produced a new batch of Phase II J-20 aircraft for flight testing, according to the report. A military insider confirmed that the new J-20 prototype was powered by two WS-10C engines, but said the modified engine remains a temporary choice for the J-20.

Earlier it was announced that the J-20 fighters will be equipped with WS-15 engines. In 2019, Chinese sources wrote that these engines "outperform" the engines of American F-22 fighters in terms of thrust - 18 tons. However, later it turned out that the non-afterburner thrust of these power plants was less than 15 tons. Moreover, it turned out that the fuel consumption when using the WS-15 is more than a quarter (namely, 27 percent) higher than when operating the Russian AL-31F.

Now in the PRC they are talking about installing WS-10C engines with a thrust of about 15 tons.

At the same time, the Chinese press explains why "China can no longer rely on Russian engines for J-20 fighters."

The explanation looks like this:

Russia links the purchase of the AL-31F aircraft engines of a suitable modification with the purchase of Su-35 fighters.

From SCMP material:

The key problem is that, with the exception of the advantage of longer combat range, both the radar, navigation system and other electronic components of the Su-35 are inferior to Chinese J-16s.

In other words, the Chinese media are trying to state that China is no longer interested in Russian fighters, but engines might be. But allegedly there is a link with the purchase of Russian 4 ++ generation fighters.

At the same time, after the installation of the WS-10 on the J-20 fighters, the Chinese Air Force has not yet reported anything about an increase in the combat potential of the Chinese aircraft. Usually, in such cases, the Chinese press, citing sources, is not shy and covers any success. It can be assumed that equipping fighters with WS-10C engines is difficult to call successful even in China itself.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 9 January 2021 09: 34
    +7
    The Chinese are stubbornly moving forward ...
    At the same time, they are moving in the field of high technologies faster and faster.
    They have everything for this - money, young scientists who are not very eager / able to slip over the hill.
    I believe that with the brain drain in China there are limitations, unlike us.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 9 January 2021 09: 39
      +11
      And how could it be otherwise, because China is essentially a factory of the world. What is not done there: smartphones, household appliances, cars, building ships.
      1. Yang yangov
        Yang yangov 9 January 2021 11: 36
        +13
        it's always better to go your own way and your way. how is A.S. Pushkin ..
        Oh, how many wonderful discoveries to us
        Prepare an enlightened spirit,
        And the experience of the son of errors difficult,
        And genius, the paradoxes friend
    2. The comment was deleted.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 9 January 2021 09: 41
        +9
        Quote: Stroporez
        And about the fact that the Chinese put their dviglo with a thrust of 18 tons on the fifth generation, they said a year ago.

        To promise is not to marry!
        And what and how much they pull really - this secret is great ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 9 January 2021 09: 59
          +19
          Quote: Victor_B
          To promise is not to marry!
          And what and how much they pull really - this secret is great ...

          In the meantime, while we are listening to promises, waiting for a bright future, enjoying stability and waiting for America to drown with geyurop, the Chinese are persistently and confidently moving forward and developing in all absolutely areas, this is not copy-paste and this fact must be admitted.
          1. jeka424
            jeka424 9 January 2021 10: 08
            +2
            Also, with the help of the whole world, did they transfer their production there
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 9 January 2021 10: 14
              +3
              Quote: jeka424
              Also, with the help of the whole world, did they transfer their production there

              Nixon's visit certainly played a role.
            2. fa2998
              fa2998 9 January 2021 11: 16
              -5
              Quote: jeka424
              Also, with the help of the whole world, did they transfer their production there

              Yes, to hell with this world and the transferred production. IT MEANS THE CREATED INVESTMENT CLIMATE IN THE COUNTRY! ...
              Yes, the process has been set up with the help of foreign investors. But engineers are trained, workers are upgrading their qualifications, technological equipment is being studied - you look tomorrow a domestic enterprise will appear next to it. hi
          2. Greg Miller
            Greg Miller 9 January 2021 12: 39
            +10
            And China is moving forward due to the fact that in 1989 the PLA tankers carried out the order of the Communist Party and crushed the "students" on Tiananmen Square, and in our country, in 1991, the tankers went over to the side of the "protesting people" and Yeltsin and Zolotov together stood the turret of the tank ...
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 9 January 2021 16: 52
              -5
              What do you have against?
              The first stage of the imposition of thieves' liberalism (from 90 to 00) was carried out quite successfully, and it was under the general management of EBN (if he did not suit the liberoids, it was not difficult for them to shove him off).
              In the next 10 years (from 00 to 10 years), the plunder of Russia (primarily confirmed by law) slowed down greatly (the GDP simply did not have a team - and, in fact, it was not clear in which direction it was necessary to row).
              Over the past 2 years, the vectors of movement of Russia seem to have been drawn with a dotted line, but they just forgot to tell the people about it - so the people became thoughtful, standing on the footboard of a train carriage that was not picking up speed, and impoverishment was a brake and now it is not yet possible to choose for the past 10 years: was it necessary to strengthen the army with the last effort (the process is not one-step, but extended in time (such construction is not done quickly)), or was it necessary first of all to chop off the tentacles of the 5th and 6th columns and add at least a little to the people of welfare ... - but how do you want to approach the standard of living of the Soviet penny with its 132 rubles, even in his declining years!
              1. Greg Miller
                Greg Miller 9 January 2021 18: 03
                +3
                Over the past 2 years, the vectors of movement of Russia seem to have been drawn with a dotted line

                The vectors of movement of the ruling elite of Russia have been unchanged since the Yeltsin times - to steal, sell and dump to the West to calmly live out their days ...
              2. Rostislav
                Rostislav 10 January 2021 12: 23
                -1
                now it is not yet possible to choose over the past 10 years: whether it was necessary to strengthen the army from the last effort (the process is not one-step, but extended in time (such construction is not done quickly)), or it was necessary first of all to chop off the tentacles at 5 and 6 columns and at least a little bit to add welfare to the people

                The correct vector was chosen. Before the 5th column could be pressed inside, it was necessary to exclude / weaken as much as possible the possibility of the Pindos and others like them from the outside to put pressure on Russia, protecting their proteges. And this cannot be done without a normal army.
                Now the answer will be received, whether we are moving in the right direction. If he starts to bring liberals and dermokrats "to the nail" and imprison thieves, then there is a chance for Russia to withstand.
                If not, they will take Russia apart, the backlog left over from the USSR is not endless.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 11 January 2021 07: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Rostislav
                  IF it starts to bring liberals and dermokrats "to the nail" and imprison thieves, then there is a chance for Russia to withstand.
                  IF not, they will take Russia apart, the backlog left over from the USSR is not endless.

                  It's all about this damn "IF": This very "if it works out" has been haunting us since that very 20th Congress of the CPSU, where Russia lost the general vector of the state movement and where the shoots of Debi first came to light ... sorry, liberalism, which distorted, ultimately, the entire fate and history of the Great Country.
                  IF we were lucky with the leadership ...
              3. hydrox
                hydrox 12 January 2021 04: 04
                0
                Wow, how the "holy nineties" liberda minus, wiping away tears because they did not manage to steal everything, and the second wave of privatization drowned in their own herm ... how sorry they are for themselves - not all could become billionaires and sit on a golden toilet! laughing
          3. lis-ik
            lis-ik 9 January 2021 17: 46
            +3
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: Victor_B
            To promise is not to marry!
            And what and how much they pull really - this secret is great ...

            In the meantime, while we are listening to promises, waiting for a bright future, enjoying stability and waiting for America to drown with geyurop, the Chinese are persistently and confidently moving forward and developing in all absolutely areas, this is not copy-paste and this fact must be admitted.

            The fact is that natural resources are not pumped from there to the last drop or until the tap is turned off, but the real sector of the economy is being developed. Our friends of the president will not get drunk, and to hell with them, but they manage to lose everything that was, they drive one bullshit and dishonor the whole world with their lies.
    3. atos_kin
      atos_kin 9 January 2021 09: 47
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      They have everything for this - money, young scientists ... unlike us.

      The main thing: they have a wise leadership, unlike us.
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 9 January 2021 10: 36
        +6
        Quote: atos_kin
        Quote: Victor_B
        They have everything for this - money, young scientists ... unlike us.

        The main thing: they have a wise leadership, unlike us.

        There are just a lot of people, there were also many people in the USSR and they achieved a lot in such a popular union. But if China is divided into provinces politically, then everything, kirdyk to the wonderful development. That is why the Communist Party is looking with all its eyes so that there is no manifestation of political independence, which leads to separation, division. Now many countries are pursuing such a policy.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 9 January 2021 17: 02
          +6
          That is why, in the PRC, napoleons-zagrebetnichki like Poroshenko, Lukashenko, Pashinyan immediately become humus, and we continue to tinker with them - after all, how many governors and mayors have become millionaires, and even colonels of the special services and police have formed multi-ton deposits of rubles with currency and other assets?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 9 January 2021 18: 56
            +1
            It has long been said: "let the loser cry, cursing his fate ...". bully
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 9 January 2021 22: 40
              +4
              120 million losers - isn't it too much for a 140 million population of such a large and awesomely resourceful country?
              And don't the "lucky ones" open their mouths too wide, mostly not living on the territory of our country, but regularly shearing rams-losers?
              And our pr-that's eyes are so kind-kind that 140 million losers already tremble from his gaze, but the gaze is also kind-kind? ...
              Why is it so beating them?
      2. Alanart
        Alanart 10 January 2021 00: 43
        +1
        The main thing is that they have 3,5 thousand years of statehood, and 2,5 thousand under the influence of Confucianism. And rich experience in dealing with alternative thinkers;)
    4. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 9 January 2021 10: 09
      +11
      Quote: Victor_B
      I believe that with the brain drain in China there are limitations, unlike us.

      You have no idea what they are doing with our "brains" in the West ... Therefore, engineers have not rushed there for a long time, like scientists ... Maybe programmers, but this is not my sphere of communication. Our scientists cannot count on normal work in their specialty. Young scientists, who were eager to go there, ended up not at all where they wanted to, and are not doing what they studied ...
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 9 January 2021 10: 11
        +6
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Young scientists, who were eager to go there, ended up not at all where they wanted, and they are not doing what they studied ...

        Fate brought me to Canada at the age of 60 and I quite clearly imagine their fate.
        And I don't feel sorry for them.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 9 January 2021 10: 19
          +4
          Quote: Victor_B
          And I don't feel sorry for them

          Me too. I prefer to trade with them rather than live there ... laughing
    5. Svetlana
      Svetlana 9 January 2021 10: 29
      +4
      I believe that with the brain drain in China there are limitations, unlike us.

      And there is. That is, at least Chinese students studying in German universities at the expense of China (China is executing their studies) sign a paper that they will return to the country.
    6. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 9 January 2021 11: 30
      +5
      Quote: Victor_B
      I believe that with the brain drain in China there are limitations, unlike us.

      It is true, on the contrary, Chinese scientists are returning to China from the United States and the West.
  2. Moonsund
    Moonsund 9 January 2021 09: 43
    +21
    The engines are better, the weapons are cooler, the radar is farther, the school of aircraft construction is 1000 years older, they flew on dragons, and that all copies are not important. But the Chinese are pushing hard. The resources of their copies are incomparable with the original, an airplane is a high-tech thing, strength of materials, metal science, and I'm not talking about physics at all. But look how stubborn and hard-working they are
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 9 January 2021 09: 51
      +2
      Quote: Moonsund
      The resources of their copies are incomparable with the original, an airplane is a high-tech thing, strength of materials, metal science, and I'm not talking about physics at all. But look how stubborn and hard-working they are

      Colleague, I recommend that you watch the Chinese parade in the original and you will see a lot of interesting things.
      And evil tongues claim that they have hypersound already on the stream, df-17 is called.
    2. askort154
      askort154 9 January 2021 10: 10
      +5
      Monsund .....But look how stubborn and hard-working they are

      Moreover, there are more of them - as much as 1,5 billion! hi
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 9 January 2021 10: 11
      +1
      Well, even from the visual:
      the Chinese are already massively installing a new generation of ILS. The Su-35 is old, small, with technology with two planes and a limited set of functions.


      This type, as the Chinese massively put on the new Su and J-10 ILS in Russia is only on the Su-57.

      Again on the Su-35 - PAR. The Su-30 is even more primitive Barsik. The Chinese, on the other hand, have advanced very much in the AFAR area, they have the largest enterprise in the world for the production of antipersonnel mines.
      Russia has nothing to offer here.

      1. bar
        bar 9 January 2021 10: 26
        +15
        Quote: donavi49
        the Chinese are already massively installing a new generation of ILS. Su-35 - old, small

        This is a global trend. It works with might and main, for example, in the automotive industry, when iron, which is dull in engines / boxes / suspensions, is equipped with a bunch of electronic bruliks and LCD displays, to which the consumer is led. As a result, instead of a normal car, you get an expensive glamorous gadget with the possibility of some movement on the road.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 9 January 2021 10: 29
          +3
          Well, the article states that
          radar and navigation system and other electronic components of the Su-35 are inferior to the Chinese J-16 aircraft.


          I just made a post for this. wink Electronics are more advanced there. And different elements of the 5th generation are being introduced more actively. With engines, yes. Perhaps with the fine-tuning of the glider - because the school is still important here. Although with the development of computing power and taking into account the fact that China is investing heavily in computing clusters at enterprises and design bureaus, this can be compensated.
          1. bar
            bar 9 January 2021 10: 35
            +5
            You correctly noticed about the school. And neither advanced electronics nor computing clusters can replace it. It needs to be created, and it takes time.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 9 January 2021 14: 37
              +1
              Partly yes. Partly not.
              Supercomputers have transformed the aircraft design process. And this will level the school a little. Not completely, but this is no longer the level of the Tupolev / Sukhoi / Marcel Dassault team + a powerful school = a masterpiece. There is no such thing, nothing good will come of it.

              Plus, the school itself is not entirely a cumulative value. For example, the legendary Ilyushin created an Il-112V with a lot of generic problems, which are not really clear how to solve. For 1-2 stages of relief, even in the adjusted downward direction (the range was cut by 300 km at 5 tons) - the plane will not fly according to the model. There is still some work to be done - and this is time and even more money. And the general designer is the legendary Talikov since 68 in the design bureau. He took part as the head of the department in the improvement of the IL-76. Worked on IL-86. I personally flew to the Arctic for testing. And they got so fucked up with the Il-112V that even the last legend of the design bureau was kicked out.
              1. bar
                bar 9 January 2021 15: 37
                +5
                Quote: donavi49
                Supercomputers have transformed the aircraft design process. And this will level the school a little.

                Supercomputers have transformed, of course, but the school is a mass of accumulated knowledge, including from previous generations. No supercomputer can replace it; it can only accelerate their accumulation.
                The example of the Il-112 just confirms this. The young designers who came, not stupid, educated, armed with modern computers, could only give birth to this freak. And now they themselves, with their personal experience and their own failures, will restore the lost school. This is not a quick thing, you can only pump everything quickly. It is enough to allow even a small gap between the old man's retirement and the admission of young people, so that there is someone to transfer knowledge and experience.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 9 January 2021 17: 13
                  +3
                  If you organize such a break, then you are guaranteed to be left WITHOUT SCHOOL!
                  And it's not about hiring young people for work: the PROCESS of upbringing schoolchildren as part of a team is important here: at our Institute students from the 3rd year of the university came to practice and very few remained, but they were almost scientists.
                  1. bar
                    bar 9 January 2021 17: 27
                    +2
                    Quote: hydrox
                    And it's not about hiring young people for work: the PROCESS of upbringing schoolchildren in a team is important here

                    That's what I wrote about. I myself have been doing this for many years, have trained more than one specialist, so keep in touch.
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 9 January 2021 12: 42
            +3
            What's AFAR ...
            The Chinese put into operation the world's first quantum line
            communication. 4 thousand km By connecting the leading state ministries, banks, etc.
            It's cooler than AFARs, and even 5G
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 9 January 2021 17: 28
              +3
              What is so-so about 5G?
              Nothing, the next step in mastering the frequency and increasing the set of functions - and this is not a breakthrough - science is absolutely indifferent to what kind of eye shape the Nobel laureate has: but 5G would still be done by someone.
              It's like with the covid vaccine: the former gets a huge market, but God forbid, Boch shit like Pfizer with this stupid low temperature!
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 9 January 2021 18: 55
                +2
                "What is so-so about 5G?" ///
                ----
                What is so-so in ANY round of technologies? smile
                "Someone would do ..."
                As one big man used to say: "if you want to do it" laughing
                But the trick is that this "someone" in the last decade -
                almost always China.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 9 January 2021 22: 29
                  +1
                  There is nothing to be done: there are one and a half billion of them, they have chosen the right path, on the rise, on investments, and we are in stagnation, on feudal capitalism, under the thieves' power in stagnation - we can only drool ...
          3. Lptsk
            Lptsk 9 January 2021 14: 35
            +7
            What do you consider elements of the 5th generation. Ruffles, color screens? I think it's stealth, radar, rab, weapons and engine. With the engine they have not only a problem, but an abyss. They didn’t even reach al 31. They have headlights, with afar xs. Something tweeted, but the fact xs. He is a rab, and in Africa there is probably a rab. The glider on j 20 is a scribe, no comment. The remainder of the ILS is new and there are a lot of TV sets, which are not needed for fighters in such numbers. They only distract in a combat situation, one is enough. They will extinguish all TVs with a slave and you will look for old analog alarm clocks.
          4. Alex777
            Alex777 9 January 2021 19: 04
            +1
            Although with the development of computing power and taking into account the fact that China is investing heavily in computing clusters at enterprises and design bureaus, this can be compensated.

            Can't be compensated.
            The school also needs basic research.
            And "computing clusters", for example, "helped" to develop the same "Ford" in the States.
            But they will not bring it to mind yet. wink
      2. URAL72
        URAL72 9 January 2021 10: 34
        +3
        You probably forgot, but in Russia, the development of the modernization of the Su-30/35 is quite successful, and much there will be from the Su-57. Why reinvent the wheel? AFAR is not so bad either, there are working samples on the Su-57, S-500, shipborne ones.
      3. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 9 January 2021 13: 10
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, even from the visual:
        the Chinese are already massively installing a new generation of ILS. The Su-35 is old, small, with technology with two planes and a limited set of functions.

        In the photo, the cockpit of the Su-35, why does it not suit you?
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 9 January 2021 09: 44
    +1
    And if you compare with Al41?
    1. mark1
      mark1 9 January 2021 11: 25
      +1
      And if we compare with the AL-41F1, then it may well turn out that, apart from the resource, there are no differences (and the thrust is 15 tons and the dimensions, again ...)
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 9 January 2021 09: 55
    +14
    When the Chinese have their own SCHOOL in the same engine building, and not to alter other people's, and often stolen ideas and developments, then it will be possible to say that the Chinese are able to create their own modern aircraft engine from scratch, and enter a narrow circle of countries with such opportunities. And, to this day, China is the world to produce, but not a DEVELOPER! Therefore, to sing them ohayu oh, how stupid and senseless! !!
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 9 January 2021 10: 07
    +3
    They will do and will do ... let them fly.
  6. askort154
    askort154 9 January 2021 10: 21
    +2
    Military and industrial espionage has always existed.
    Simple products were copied elementary, today, in the age of high technologies, even a "3 G printer" is no longer enough.
    You must have fundamental science, technology for the production and processing of metals. The Chinese seem to be doing well, but so far they are lagging behind in engine building. The main parameters - thrust, specific fuel consumption and engine resource - remain problematic for them.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 9 January 2021 10: 25
      +5
      Simple and elementary products at one time were not simple and not elementary. How much paper was copied there? 240-300 years old? And in the end, only the Abassids copied normally, and from them already to Europe. Powder? Paper money? Silk?

      For that time, it was like now engines, microelectronics and so on.
    2. bar
      bar 9 January 2021 10: 46
      +7
      Quote: askort154
      You must have fundamental science, technology for the production and processing of metals. The Chinese seem to be doing well, but so far they are lagging behind in engine construction.

      You correctly noticed about the technology of production and processing of metals. The Chinese really have a problem with metals, and not only in aviation. The same Chinese cars are a vivid example of this.
  7. bald
    bald 9 January 2021 10: 27
    0
    These are all inventions of China, the Russian mind does not allow, am I mistaken ?, no, analyzing the article, but who in general could compete with brains, there were such Germany, think about it, if Stalin needed a developer, he would have taken it, but why? -yes, because in addition to
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 January 2021 12: 57
      +1
      "if Stalin needs a developer, he would take it" ///
      -----
      So Stalin took it. From Germany after the Victory were exported to the USSR
      several thousand leading specialists - scientists and engineers - on
      main technological areas.
      All the first generation of electronics in the USSR, missile air defense, radars -
      their work. A special center was established near Sochi.
      They were paid huge salaries. And then they were allowed to return to Germany.
      When Soviet engineers were trained.
      1. bald
        bald 9 January 2021 15: 37
        -2
        That's right. It was said for a reason.
  8. evgen1221
    evgen1221 9 January 2021 10: 28
    +1
    Well, it’s logical, according to the airframe, what they needed was scrapped, while the school of strength materials and metallurgy was lame on engines, and they didn’t want to buy an airplane when they only needed an engine. So for the time being, a natural whip was formed. Although knowing ours, these will sell whatever you want without thinking ahead.
  9. Cyril G ...
    Cyril G ... 9 January 2021 10: 31
    +3
    Quote: donavi49
    The Chinese, on the other hand, have advanced very much in the AFAR area, they have the largest enterprise in the world for the production of antipersonnel mines.


    And who told you that theirs "radar with AFAR" is better than the ancient Barsik
    1. askort154
      askort154 9 January 2021 12: 26
      +5
      Cyril G ......And who told you that theirs "radar with AFAR" is better than the ancient Barsik

      I have been following the "pre-navia 49" for a long time. On the account of the VO administration, he is a "super helpful client". But in fact, a paid "repost" from the Internet, any negative against Russia. Moreover, all with an instant and beautiful calculation, "unkillable reliability." As they say - a sent Cossack woman in business. And what does he have to do with "DONAVIA" (choosing such a nickname) I will try to find out from my former aviation colleagues from Rostov. hi
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 9 January 2021 12: 43
        +4
        AFAR is not a wunderwaffe. There are a lot of BUTs. Potential capabilities of such a radar still need to be realized ... And then the fitting to the parameters of the radar with the ShchAR Tomketa and even more so the radar with the PFAR MiG-31 is at least taken seriously. By the way, PFAR was first installed on a fighter by us.
      2. askort154
        askort154 9 January 2021 12: 57
        +5
        The entire auto and aircraft industry in China is Soviet foundations. Including in rocketry.
        The time has come, the student begins to grow up.
  10. prior
    prior 9 January 2021 10: 32
    +8
    China will definitely perfect its aircraft engines. Why? Because it does not have our efficient managers, and there are several orders of magnitude more engineers.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 9 January 2021 12: 30
      0
      They have already grown their generation of "effective managers" ....
  11. LAWNER
    LAWNER 9 January 2021 11: 18
    +5
    Better your own bad than someone else's good ... At least there is something to strive for.
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 January 2021 11: 44
    0
    So fly on your own, who forbids. Duc you do not have them, those that are better than ours.
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 9 January 2021 11: 47
    +1
    The Chinese are great, they completely copied the manner of the Americans, the presentation of the successes of the military-industrial complex through the media. They are the first everywhere and in everything, even if this is not even confirmed by other sources.
  14. sleeve
    sleeve 9 January 2021 12: 07
    +3
    Again we are losing ... in the pages of the Chinese press.
  15. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 9 January 2021 12: 25
    +5
    "China can no longer rely on Russian engines for J-20 fighters"

    He would continue to rely, but ours without the Su-35 now do not sell and rightly so.
    The Chinese refused to purchase our fish under a multi-billion dollar contract. They put the fishing industry in question to reduce and close fish processing plants ...
    Let their super radar be installed instead of the engine on their super jet 16. The infection will be a photon starship! And let them race to Mars with Mask.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 9 January 2021 22: 27
      +2
      Damn, but the Chinese are really not so far from Mars. And they will not be starred!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 January 2021 01: 54
        +3
        In 2021, China has planned 40 rocket launches into space.
        Including, the launch into orbit of the first module of its space
        station.
      2. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 10 January 2021 05: 21
        +1
        Yes, our applause for them ... in the future.
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 10 January 2021 19: 52
          0
          They already have something to applaud for.
          1. Whirlwind
            Whirlwind 10 January 2021 21: 13
            +1
            But let them collapse, as our cosmonautics collapsed, together with all the people and the country in the terrible 90s. Then they will crawl out of the abyss, raise the military and peaceful space to a level worthy of the 21st century, as we have raised, then they will receive thunderous applause, but for now, they will have successful flights in the New Year of the Crowing Rooster ...
    2. Titus_2
      Titus_2 10 January 2021 23: 36
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      But we don't have a lot of fish on the shelves, and I think it's not worth talking about price tags. People from Vladik and Murmansk said that even theirs was not a very cheap pleasure. Pork is much cheaper, although it needs to be grown.
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 11 January 2021 07: 26
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        Fish are now in different bulk.
        Only that fish itself does not step into the frying pan. You need to catch her. Tralflot: trawlers and seiners, fish canning factories and shipyards, salaries for work in such conditions that God forbid, delivery, etc., have not been included in the price of fish for a long time?
        1. Titus_2
          Titus_2 11 January 2021 14: 33
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          So, judging by the prices, it is cheaper to bring a car from Vladivostok (to Moscow) and I repeat once again that I was specifically interested in people from those regions ... the price with Moscow is practically the same
          1. Whirlwind
            Whirlwind 11 January 2021 15: 36
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            Moscow is the capital. A city of federal significance ... There is all the foam, all the cream there, because all the revolutions are taking place not in the countryside, but in the capital. Recently I learned from Spitsyn that teachers in Moscow schools receive 140 rubles each, directors receive 000 rubles! While in the villages for 350 rubles.
            Fish..!
            1. Titus_2
              Titus_2 12 January 2021 12: 24
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              Here, you are really touching with your answers .... we have Rosneft cleaners traveling around mesedes, but alas, my wife does not work at all due to problems with her youngest daughter, I spin as much as I can and the average monthly income is 50-70. Last year, before N.G. 2019-2020 I think let the kids try black caviar. I think I'll buy a small jar.
              1. Whirlwind
                Whirlwind 12 January 2021 16: 04
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                Wrong, you "Uncle Fyodor" have gathered black caviar, it should be served in a silver caviar dish with a silver spoon, and that oh-hoo ..!
  16. Note
    Note 9 January 2021 14: 35
    +1
    Why are we all so gullible? It's just like an old anecdote about a neighbor who says he can 3 times a night.
  17. Gunther
    Gunther 9 January 2021 16: 20
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    What's AFAR ...
    The Chinese put into operation the world's first quantum line
    communication. 4 thousand km By connecting the leading state ministries, banks, etc.
    It abruptly and AFARs, and even 5G

    wassat
    usually raucous terms like "teleportation", "artificial intelligence" and "weapons based on new physical principles" are launched either by journalists or clever budget money-fighters yes
    in the real mine and the bandwidth and reliability leave much to be desired, the encryption technology itself is from the last century, in more detail:
    https://kzn-kpatp9.ru/rossiiskie-fiziki-zapustili-pervuyu-gorodskuyu-liniyu-kvantovoi-svyazi-na/?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C7654758020
    about 4 thousand km laughing - so the Chinese have dozens of new, brand-new "dead cities"))))
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 January 2021 02: 00
      +3
      Quantum coupling is a hot topic. The USA, Switzerland, Germany are engaged in it.
      But China was ahead of everyone. Differs from conventional optical cable communication
      addition: sending "control" coupled quantum pairs of photons
      to check if someone has compromised the connection.
      Always happy to explain hi
    2. The eye of the crying
      The eye of the crying 10 January 2021 22: 52
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      Your link is down.
  18. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 10 January 2021 05: 58
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    Eck, how they puff out their cheeks. It wouldn’t burst. A joint patrol of strategists recently showed who is Hung. Zhidenko was fucked up in all respects. So it was with the dviguns.
  19. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 11 January 2021 04: 10
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    Officials have learned to nonsense from penguins !!! Everything is "super", but in fact the J20 pulls for the 4th generation. Too many "BUT".
  20. Nikolay Ershov
    Nikolay Ershov 12 January 2021 16: 19
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    The Chinese are stubbornly moving forward ... Copying RF technologies. Historically, China has been dismantling and copying our equipment, adding "high" technologies. smile