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Ukrainian state-owned company purchased 152-mm shells made in Bulgaria from Poland

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On one of the specialized resources tracking export-import transactions, information was made public about the purchase by Ukraine of a batch of artillery shells. It said that the Ukrainian state-owned company Spetstechnoexport, which is part of the Ukroboronprom structure, purchased 152-mm shells made in Bulgaria from Poland.


The Polish company Arm-Tech Spółka Z Ograniczoną Odpowiedzialnością was the supplier of ammunition produced by the Bulgarian company VMZ for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. A total of 260 high-explosive fragmentation projectiles VOF-542U were purchased, used in the 2S3 Akatsiya self-propelled guns and towed howitzers D-20 for the amount of 262 thousand dollars.

It should be noted that this is not the first such purchase. So, in 2019, the State Enterprise "Spetstechnoexport" purchased three thousand similar ammunition and two thousand VOF-546 shells.

In 2019, another Ukrainian company, Promoboronexport, operated according to a similar scheme, representing the purchase of Bulgarian ammunition from a Polish company, which acquired 2444 40-mm high-explosive fragmentation rounds OG-7V made in Bulgaria for RPG-7 hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers for 403 thousands of dollars.

In Ukraine, the Rubin-2 company is trying to make shells for the 3S20 Akatsiya and D-2017. True, as it became known to the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express, for a number of reasons, the military return the received ammunition to the manufacturer.


Earlier, Ukrainian expert Volodymyr Shchetinin noted that in the manufacture of shells, Ukrainian gunsmiths use a different explosive and low quality metal. Because of this, there is a danger of spontaneous explosion at the time of the shot. In addition, the explosive during storage can increase in volume, which makes the projectile dangerous not only during firing, but also during storage.
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Ministry of Defense of Ukraine
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  1. Borik
    Borik 8 January 2021 17: 10
    +6
    1000 bucks one shell. The Natsyks decided that they didn't mind money for their people. If suddenly there is not enough money, then the overseas friends of the loan for this business will not regret it.
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka 8 January 2021 20: 08
      +1
      It's not a fact that everything is so easy to take and calculate. The contract probably includes the cost of storage, transportation (a couple of wagons probably take the shells). Perhaps also excise taxes. By the way, who is the special in artillery - 260 shells in the form of ammunition, how much will this be?
      1. novel66
        novel66 8 January 2021 20: 59
        +1
        I heard - one BC - 40 shots
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 9 January 2021 11: 43
        +3
        Quote: Tochilka
        By the way, who is the special in artillery - 260 shells in the form of ammunition, how much will this be?

        The ammunition load of 1941, according to NKO Order N 0182 of 09.05.41/60/152, was XNUMX rounds for XNUMX mm howitzers, and I think it has not changed since then. Although most likely now other orders of the Ministry of Defense are in effect, and perhaps the BC is increased, tk. the wheelbase is now much more lifting.
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 8 January 2021 17: 12
    +8
    260 high-explosive fragmentation shells ... worth 262 thousand dollars.

    1000 green apiece ... the war is truly voracious.
    1. bessmertniy
      bessmertniy 8 January 2021 17: 27
      +4
      Bulgarian shells are relatively cheap. The Armed Forces have already saved on this.
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 8 January 2021 17: 33
        +3
        And just now it was reported that they also bought from the Czechs.
        1. Eldorado
          Eldorado 8 January 2021 17: 43
          +2
          They bought the decommissioned BMP-1 from the Czechs, I did not hear about the shells.
          1. boris epstein
            boris epstein 8 January 2021 18: 01
            +7
            Not only among the Czechs. The Swedish army was armed with 160 BMP-1. Sweden sold them to Poland, and Poland immediately to Ukraine. And the BMPs went, no, not to the front line, but to Kharkov and Zhitomir for repairs. Now at NKMZ (Kramatorsk) they are testing a 155 mm cannon under NATO standards for self-propelled guns, shells for testing too buy from the Czechs
          2. Lionnvrsk
            Lionnvrsk 8 January 2021 18: 15
            0
            It seems like they bought Bogdan for the SPG.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 8 January 2021 17: 58
        +3
        Quote: bessmertniy
        Bulgarian shells are relatively cheap. The Armed Forces have already saved on this.

        Why don't they buy directly from the Bulgarians, but use intermediaries? There is no other way ...
        1. pytar
          pytar 8 January 2021 19: 47
          +6
          Why don't they buy directly from the Bulgarians, but use intermediaries? There is no other way ...

          Most likely we are talking about new shells. Poland has been buying from Bulgaria for a long time, because it is cheaper. Probably the Poles have in their warehouses, purchased long ago. And the number itself - 260 is scanty. They can spend more on one exercise!
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 8 January 2021 19: 49
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            Most likely we are talking about new shells.

            But in any case, it is cheaper to buy from the manufacturer, especially since it guarantees quality.
            However svidomye masters of various manipulations with budget money-they already do not know how otherwise.
            1. pytar
              pytar 8 January 2021 20: 04
              +2
              But in any case, it is cheaper to buy from the manufacturer, especially since it guarantees quality.

              The manufacturer does not deal with long-term storage of products. He produces it when he receives the order. Sales and resale are dealt with by trade associations. They charge interest and prices are really higher from them. But if you bought something a long time ago, and you no longer need it, you can sell it at a price lower than you bought and lower than from the manufacturer.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 9 January 2021 11: 28
                0
                Quote: pytar
                The manufacturer does not deal with long-term storage of products. He produces it when he receives the order.

                And what prevented Ukraine from making a preliminary order in Bulgaria, if they can calculate the lack of shells in advance?
                Quote: pytar
                But if you bought something a long time ago, and you no longer need it, you can sell it at a price lower than you bought and lower than from the manufacturer.

                Those. Will you buy rotten frozen chicken because it's cheaper? When you buy, how do you know that the storage of the shells has been organized in compliance with all requirements? After all, they are bought for the war, and there they do not joke with it.
                1. pytar
                  pytar 9 January 2021 12: 18
                  0
                  And what prevented Ukraine from making a preliminary order in Bulgaria, if they can calculate the lack of shells in advance?

                  The statistic states that we are talking about only 260 shells. One or two trucks! Which is just a trifle. A typo is also possible.
                  Those. Will you buy rotten frozen chicken because it's cheaper? When you buy, how do you know that the storage of the shells has been organized in compliance with all requirements? ...

                  You buy used auto, huh? Moreover, often, quite good ones come across!
                  After all, they are bought for the war, but they do not joke with it there.

                  Not necessary. It is even better to use up the ammunition at the end of the expiration date in exercises. Yes, and for the war in the world they buy sooo often new equipment. It happens that it is resold several times until it comes to the final use.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 9 January 2021 12: 26
                    0
                    Quote: pytar
                    The statistic states that we are talking about only 260 shells. One or two trucks! Which is just a trifle. A typo is also possible.

                    Are you trying to convince me that Bulgaria would refuse this order? Don't be ridiculous, its economy is not in such a form that the Bulgarians wander around.
                    And why did you talk about storage then, if two trucks can be safely stored at the enterprise in the finished product warehouse for months in the form of a reserve?
                    Quote: pytar
                    You buy used auto, huh? Moreover, often, quite good ones come across!

                    And sometimes before the first accident, where it turns out that it was a "transformer".
                    Quote: pytar
                    It happens that it is resold several times until it comes to the final use.

                    What is the point of Ukraine doing this if it has real hostilities in the Donbass? You generally understand that your examples for Ukraine are not rolling - there is a war going on, albeit in an inactive phase, but they constantly shell the territory of Donbass. And they need serviceable ammunition, and not those that simply do not explode after they find themselves in enemy territory. What the hell are drills if the shelling goes on for months?
                    1. pytar
                      pytar 9 January 2021 12: 34
                      0
                      Are you trying to convince me that Bulgaria would refuse this order?

                      I never said that anywhere. You are fantasizing. In fact, there is no order to Bulgaria, there is a purchase from Poland, a small amount. I mean, this is the Ukrainian-Polish deal... What is the point of speculating "what would happen if ..."?!
                      ... are there real hostilities in the Donbass? ... there is a war going on, albeit in an inactive phase, but they constantly shell the territory of Donbass. And they need serviceable ammunition, and not those that simply do not explode after they find themselves in enemy territory. What the hell are drills if the shelling goes on for months?

                      In this case, 260 shells are like a drop in the ocean to Ukrainians. Obviously a negligible amount. It is logical that for exercises it is better to use the old ones, and with the new one to hit the enemy. Indeed, new ones on the theory will give less defects.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 9 January 2021 13: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: pytar
                        It is logical that for exercises it is better to use the old ones, and with the new one to hit the enemy. Indeed, new ones on the theory will give less defects.

                        You are generally in your mind - what doctrines if there is a war and the country is in dire need of finance and weapons? Calm down, in a country at war, everything is not going the way it is in peacetime.
                      2. pytar
                        pytar 9 January 2021 14: 11
                        -2
                        Are you generally out of your mind - what teachings

                        I'm out of my mind, but I doubt you about you!
                        what doctrines, if there is a war and the country is in dire need of finances and weapons?

                        Ie, in your opinion, if "there is a war", in the given case of a low-intensity character, exercises, training of personnel are not carried out? belay
                        Here in the truth I have to ask you - are you out of your mind at all? fool How can an artilleryman be able to shoot from a front-line position if he has not previously fired at training ranges? Untrained !!!
                        Due to the obvious discrepancy between your visions and a healthy sense, I stop dialogue with you. negative
      3. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 8 January 2021 20: 04
        -1
        Quote: ccsr
        Why don't they buy directly from the Bulgarians, but use intermediaries? There is no other way ...

        I believe that after the scandal with the supply of weapons to Syria (against Russia), Bulgarians are afraid to supply weapons directly to Ukraine (against Russia), they act through intermediaries. However, it was revealed. "Brothers" are NATO members-businessmen ...

        Although, of course, not all Bulgarians are against Russia. The present brothers wash "Alyosha", which some nits regularly stain.
        1. pytar
          pytar 8 January 2021 20: 20
          +3
          I believe that after the scandal with the supply of weapons to Syria (against Russia), Bulgarians are afraid to supply weapons directly to Ukraine (against Russia), they act through intermediaries. However, it was revealed. "Brothers" are NATO members-businessmen ...

          Vladimir, weapons manufacturers rarely sell their products directly. They produce it to order, and licensed trading companies deal with the trade. I asked what we have, but these friendships are full of people with non-Bulgarian names and surnames! Russians are the most common! Bulgaria is not involved in the illegal arms trade. In cases where these weapons represent a relatively simple system, like projectiles, the buyer bears full responsibility for their further fate. This is because the conditions for the prohibition of resale are placed only on complex, more technological systems. And not always at the right time.
          And the so-called. "scandal in syria", was a custom-made journalistic provocation, for which our competitors stand from one very large country ... "journalist"Dilyanka Grozdanova, we know very well in Bulgaria ... For the sake of observing the terms of the site, I will not quote what we call her. lol In short - business, nothing personal, as they say. Compromising a competitor is considered normal. laughing
          Although, of course, not all Bulgarians are against Russia. Real brothers wash "Alyosha", which some nits regularly stain.

          Most are warm to Russia. But if they watched what anti-Bulgarian propaganda is being conducted in today's Russia, they would "cure" their Russophilia very quickly. sad
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 8 January 2021 21: 04
            +4
            Quote: pytar
            But if they watched what anti-Bulgarian propaganda is being conducted in today's Russia, they would "cure" their Russophilia very quickly.

            There are a lot of Russian and allegedly Russian (from abroad) ill-wishers and simply enemies on the Runet who, disguising themselves as Russian patriots, write various nasty things about Bulgarians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians, claiming that ALL they are, without exception, bad. By the way, the Runet society is somewhat different from the Russian society itself ... smile
            1. pytar
              pytar 8 January 2021 23: 12
              +4
              You are a smart person and you understand everything! Respect to you! hi God grant that there are more such people! May God grant you health!
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 9 January 2021 11: 35
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          I believe after the scandal with the supply of weapons to Syria (v. Russia)

          There they supplied the militants, not the Syrian government, which makes a big difference.
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          Bulgarians are afraid to supply weapons directly to Ukraine (against Russia)

          When concluding an intergovernmental agreement between the two countries, Russia's position is not taken into account at all, especially since Ukraine is not at the stage of war with it.
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          However, it was revealed. "Brothers" are NATO members-businessmen ...

          Yes, they now do not bother with anything - morality is not about them.
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          Real brothers wash "Alyosha", which some nits regularly stain.

          And what prevents the "real brothers" from getting the authorities to adopt such a law on monuments that no scumbag would ever think to dirty any monuments? Or do they selectively have a law in relation to monuments and it suits everyone?
          1. pytar
            pytar 9 January 2021 12: 29
            -1
            There they supplied the militants, not the Syrian government, which makes a big difference.

            Nothing was supplied to any militants. Orders to the manufacturer came from trading partnerships, which had contracts with firms from the USA and Saudi Arabia. Interestingly, Russian names are present in the registers of these trade associations ... So where further, weapons are resold and turns out to be, not the responsibility of the manufacturer. Thus, the militants end up with Russian weapons, and weapons from all over the world.
            When concluding an intergovernmental agreement between the two countries, Russia's position is not taken into account at all, especially since Ukraine is not at the stage of war with it.

            That is, in full compliance with international laws.
            Yes, they now do not bother with anything - morality is not about them.

            In principle, when dealing with arms, morality does not count. That in Russia, that in the USA, that in China, and everywhere it goes.
            And what prevents the "real brothers" from getting the authorities to adopt such a law on monuments that no scumbag would ever think to dirty any monuments? Or do they selectively have a law in relation to monuments and it suits everyone?

            Your lack of information is obvious. Moreover, you allow yourself to judge!
            All monuments are protected by the law! For some there are specially adopted, separate laws! For example, about the monument to Alyosha in Plovdiv. The MK site has a complete register, with monuments, their status and condition are relevant. All monuments are maintained by the state in good condition. Incidents of assault are actually very few. At times less often than in the Russian Federation.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 9 January 2021 12: 39
              +2
              Quote: pytar
              Orders to the manufacturer came from trading partnerships, which had contracts with firms from the USA and Saudi Arabia.

              Come on, you pretend to be Mother Teresa - we are not children, we don’t need to go over our ears, we know whose meat the cat ate.
              Quote: pytar
              In principle, when dealing with arms, morality does not count. That in Russia, that in the USA, that in China, and everywhere it goes.

              Well, you yourself do not deny that you are like that, i.e. people without morality.
              Quote: pytar
              Your lack of information is obvious. Moreover, you allow yourself to judge!

              I allow myself to judge the Bulgarians, because I never expected such meanness in relation to our fallen from the Bulgarians, and I was wrong about that. Even in Slovakia or Austria, which fought on the side of Hitler, there is a more respectful attitude towards our monuments than in Bulgaria. This is why the Russian people despise you.
              1. pytar
                pytar 9 January 2021 14: 05
                +1
                Come on, you pretend to be Mother Teresa - we are not children, we don’t need to go over our ears, we know whose meat the cat ate.

                Are you talking to yourself? Moreover, in the plural - "we"! To you personally ccsr, someone authorized to declare on behalf of others?
                Well, you yourself do not deny that you are like that, i.e. people without morality.

                Nowhere, never s said anything else! These are people of a special way, without morality, without conscience. They have no nationality. They are the same in all countries. Like Victor Bout, so are all the others.
                I just allow myself to judge the Bulgarians ...

                The Bulgarian, like all other peoples, are sooo different. In the whole world, no two are alike. So, it's not for you to judge everyone, you are also an individual with your very controversial subjectivity.
                ... in relation to our fallen, I never expected from the Bulgarians, and I was wrong about that.

                You hardly have anything to do with the fallen heroes. Even if you do, it gives you absolutely no advantage or privilege personally. After all, even a hero may have a descendant - a bad person.
                Even in Slovakia or Austria, which fought on the side of Hitler, there is a more respectful attitude towards our monuments than in Bulgaria.

                You are either a provocateur, or ... I will abstain from the site rules. We have discussed this topic more than once. I have repeatedly shown and proved at VO that the tezza "about monuments" disseminated in Russia is a myth.
                This is why the Russian people despise you.

                Lying, ccsr, lying ... I have hundreds of friends and relatives Russian! There is nothing like that in real life. Moreover, they despise people like you personally, who repeat like parrots of propaganda mantras, either intentionally or out of ignorance.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 9 January 2021 19: 03
                  0
                  Quote: pytar
                  Like Victor Bout, so are all the others.

                  And here Booth, a private person who did not manufacture or sell weapons?
                  Quote: pytar
                  The Bulgarian, like all other peoples, are sooo different.

                  And for some reason in your government it is those who crap Russia that always turn out to be in the majority.
                  Quote: pytar
                  You hardly have anything to do with the fallen heroes.

                  My grandfather died in Poland and is buried there, which is why I consider everyone who grudges our monuments and the governments of those countries who do not fight this as scoundrels. Bulgaria is no exception in this case.

                  Quote: pytar
                  You are either a provocateur or ...

                  What are you trying to achieve here? Or do you think that we will take your version of our history as the truth?
                  Quote: pytar
                  I have hundreds of Russian friends and relatives!

                  Russians also served in Vlasov's army, and should I forgive them on this basis? The Bulgarians were Hitler's allies and that speaks volumes for me. And you can pretend that this did not happen ...
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 9 January 2021 19: 44
      -2
      Quote: bessmertniy
      Bulgarian shells are relatively cheap. The Armed Forces have already saved on this.

      saved? having bought Bulgarian shells from Poland? belay Where is the savings when buying with a markup from a reseller?
  3. figwam
    figwam 8 January 2021 17: 28
    +1
    Quote: Doccor18
    1000 green apiece ... the war is truly voracious.

    Then the warehouse will burn down, they will buy again.
  4. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 8 January 2021 19: 50
    0
    I think it's a typo.
    2600.
    The cost of a conventional high-explosive projectile is about $ 100.
    1. novel66
      novel66 8 January 2021 21: 01
      0
      also seemed - awkward for ordering
  5. Normal ok
    Normal ok 9 January 2021 02: 31
    -2
    Quote: Doccor18
    260 high-explosive fragmentation shells ... worth 262 thousand dollars.

    1000 green apiece ... the war is truly voracious.

    Most likely there is a typo in the article.
  • hydrox
    hydrox 8 January 2021 17: 13
    +3
    Oh, how badly it is now necessary to train the militia to work with duel artillery radars, the more such radar equipment and education is needed in connection with the principle of mobile artillery attack on civilians adopted in the Armed Forces of Ukraine: "fired and fled"
    And if the fighters master the work of the NETWORK of such counteraction, then literally EVERY shot from a heavy device will mean an ambitious artillery calculation of the armed bandits.
  • Eldorado
    Eldorado 8 January 2021 17: 44
    +8
    The country that built space rockets and aircraft carriers now buys shells through third countries. Tse zrada or peremoga? request
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 8 January 2021 17: 55
      +3
      Tse peramoga-Europa has entered Ukraine so much that you help the elves with what you can in their battle for life and death wassat those. ukraine tse u europe ... what nope, Europe in ukraine for the most do not hang out laughing
      Wouldn't it be great if Ukraine hadn't given ... oh, if Ukraine hadn't been given ... winked In short, the one born to give cannot take. But Ukraine can give and take ... this is it, panimash. laughing
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 8 January 2021 20: 01
        +1
        Quote: Rurikovich
        But Ukraine can give and take ... this is it, panimash.

        Yes it is any ne ... a person with a non-traditional orientation can and, mind you, wants to. So Nenka was in the right company.
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 8 January 2021 17: 58
      +6
      The country that built space rockets and aircraft carriers

      This country was called the USSR, and it built missiles and aircraft carriers on the territory of present-day Sumeria, that's right.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 8 January 2021 19: 53
      +3
      Quote: El Dorado
      Tse zrada or peremoga? request

      And this you yourself will figure it out. The diagram will help you. lol
    4. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 10 January 2021 02: 35
      -1
      Glory to Ukraine! Glory to Zelensky! wassat
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 8 January 2021 17: 51
    +1
     The Ukrainians have muddied up to 80 thousand accounts on the RuNet. laughing Hold on.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 8 January 2021 18: 00
      +6
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
       The Ukrainians have muddied up to 80 thousand accounts on the RuNet. Hold on.

      This is noticeable even by the number of topics about Ukraine on VO - apparently this is the most interesting country in the world, judging by the performances of its president.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 8 January 2021 20: 02
        +1
        They were free to choose a clown.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 8 January 2021 17: 56
    +1
    At close range I can not understand what. Difficult to make a shell? Any steel is available locally, the required tolerances are maintained by a student of vocational school on a Soviet machine (there are also many of them), the labor is cheap.

    Why are these delights?
    1. ximkim
      ximkim 8 January 2021 18: 24
      0
      This means that not a person wants to produce, but the money will still go to buy .. And it can be seen that it was very much necessary to buy shells of the Bulgarian company VMZ for the Ukrainian Armed Forces through the Polish company Arm-Tech Spółka Z Ograniczoną Odpowiedzialnością. They say, take them to NATO.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 8 January 2021 19: 25
        0
        Well, they are doing something! And they even feel it. There was no adequate locksmith who would take over this contract? Eh, send them a resume there?))
        1. ximkim
          ximkim 8 January 2021 20: 00
          0
          Something ... I myself am surprised at this purchase .. And one question comes out so - why did this happen, and why is it happening? what
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 9 January 2021 19: 55
            -2
            Quote: ximkim
            Something ... I myself am surprised at this purchase ..

            By the way, yes. there is something to be surprised ... 3-4 months ago there was a change that Ukraine itself began to produce shells by purchasing machine tools abroad and conducted successful tests of these ammunition.
            Quote: ximkim
            And one question comes up, why did it happen, and why is it happening?

            the campaign broke valuable equipment and peremog from own production of shells turned into zrada request "tse broke, tse lost" laughing
        2. ximkim
          ximkim 8 January 2021 20: 05
          0
          In vain, just spend time on a resume)) And so .. I think serious things by NATO standards they will not be allowed to produce, just buy.
        3. Tochilka
          Tochilka 8 January 2021 20: 17
          0
          I'll fix it - turner. Or brigades of turners. And appropriate machine tools, and cutting tools.
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 8 January 2021 22: 45
            0
            Well, take a look at the drawing of the projectile. Two machines are needed. Moreover, there are thousands of them left after the USSR.
          2. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 9 January 2021 19: 59
            -2
            Quote: Tochilka
            I'll fix it - turner. Or brigades of turners. And appropriate machine tools, and cutting tools.

            it doesn't work like that in Ukraine! they also bought the machines "with the molecules of democracy", and they found some big Ukrainian turners and even made a batch of shells! but as a result, the shells will be bought from Poland bully
    2. VO3A
      VO3A 9 January 2021 18: 58
      -1
      They made the projectile so that after the shot it flips over and flies backwards. All ballistic tables are not suitable and it is not clear how to shoot such a projectile ... It turned out to be difficult for them !!!
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 8 January 2021 17: 56
    0
    "... Volodymyr Shchetinin noted that in the manufacture of shells, Ukrainian gunsmiths use another explosive and low quality metal. Because of this, there is a danger of a spontaneous explosion at the moment of a shot. In addition, the explosive during storage can increase in volume, which the projectile is dangerous not only when firing, but also during storage. "
    And then they blame the explosions of warehouses on someone's drones or someone's special forces. The degradation of scientific design thought and production technology is obvious.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 8 January 2021 22: 48
      0
      What's in the original? TNT is produced in / on and costs a penny. What is there to compose?
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 9 January 2021 16: 58
        0
        And you don't need to compose anything. All ammunition depots MUST maintain a certain moisture content.
        density and temperature. This is different for each type of explosive. In addition, the metal of the projectile and the cartridge case must be of a certain quality. Ammunition in storage must be periodically checked by SPECIALISTS and those that fail must be disposed of.
        "TNT is produced in / on and costs a penny." Ukrainian proverb on this topic: "Desheva pagana yushka fish." Molot mortars are also made in / on and are successfully utilizing their own calculations. They were removed from production and from service, but since January 1, production and delivery to the Armed Forces of Ukraine have been restored. That's all.
        In Soviet times, ammunition depots did not explode.
    2. KCA
      KCA 9 January 2021 10: 22
      +1
      TNT in shells from the First World War is not used, only hexogen, although there is probably still in the warehouses, he himself saw the shells of 1993 in 1898, the warehouses were so-so, completely with rotten boards, the sentries were pulling from there at once, though the shells were few, the seat told what can be right in the hands of that, but gunpowder was popular, whatever form was there, there are fewer types of pasta, although gunpowder was made in pasta factories
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 9 January 2021 17: 08
        0
        After 1991, there was such a transcendental mess in the Armed Forces of Ukraine that the guys dragged from the military units optics from tanks, gunpowder ("seven-hole"), cartridges, once brought the regiment's banner (Soviet). Older "boys" were carrying boxes of radio components, radio stations ... I was walking home from work in the 90s, I saw boys playing war games. Two with toy weapons, one with a homemade wooden one, and the fourth, straining, dragging the barrel from an 82-mm mortar. And how many printed circuit boards from military equipment were there on the radio jolts ?!
      2. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 9 January 2021 17: 18
        0
        I strongly doubt, can you confirm something? Hexogenous mixtures (with the same TNT) - I will still believe, but not pure.

        It is more important that TNT can be used. This is much less weird than a composite shell design.
        1. KCA
          KCA 9 January 2021 18: 07
          0
          TNT has 5 times less power than RDX, a mixture of RDX with aluminum powder, and with something else, and is now widely used, and it is not easy to blow up TNT, certainly I have picked out hundreds of black powder primers and blew them up, " with a goat's leg "you take off the foil, all of a sudden there is no cap and there is no cap, but if with a hammer, everything is steeper, for 20 years there was a tattoo on the arm after hitting the cap, somehow it resolved
  • svp67
    svp67 8 January 2021 18: 05
    +1
    Earlier, Ukrainian expert Vladimir Shchetinin noted that in the manufacture of shells, Ukrainian gunsmiths use another explosive
    Has Shostka forgotten how to make explosives? Byada ...
  • Kerensky
    Kerensky 8 January 2021 18: 08
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    Are the shells at least new or used? laughing
  • stoqn477
    stoqn477 8 January 2021 18: 37
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    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: bessmertniy
    Bulgarian shells are relatively cheap. The Armed Forces have already saved on this.

    Why don't they buy directly from the Bulgarians, but use intermediaries? There is no other way ...

    They can be in abundance and sell for less than new ones.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 8 January 2021 18: 56
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    winked It's not even the beginning of the end. This is pi ... pets !!!
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 8 January 2021 18: 57
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    Quote: Sancho_SP
    At close range I can not understand what. Difficult to make a shell? Any steel is available locally, the required tolerances are maintained by a student of vocational school on a Soviet machine (there are also many of them), the labor is cheap.

    Why are these delights?

    we are "aerogasdynamics" in "Voyemekh" (specializing in "Gas-dynamic impulse devices" (that is, you studied artillery shells, did you? laughingCoursework: Manufacturing the body of a concrete-piercing projectile in serial production: Task

    Introduction

    Analysis of initial data

    Material selection

    Cutting workpieces on press shears

    Hot stamping part

    Heating the blank for stamping

    Crush, stitching and broaching

    Development of the route of the technological process

    Manufacturing part

    Calculation of the dimensions of a stamped blank of a "glass" type body

    Hot crimping of enclosures

    Design of machine operations laughing
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 9 January 2021 01: 23
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      The same was done for 82 mm mortar mines in vocational schools. At the very same VMZ.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 8 January 2021 19: 23
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    Quote: Gennady Fomkin
     The Ukrainians have muddied up to 80 thousand accounts on the RuNet. laughing Hold on.

    If a lad today is a great specialist in combine farming and arable farming, and a week later suddenly appears in the form of a specialist in civil aircraft construction with a composite-wing bias - it is worth taking a closer look at the daredevil. Usually after a while he appears in the form of a baker - a toxicologist, a specialist in ergot and fly agaric .. Or a tractor driver - a fisherman - a whaler from Murmansk. One is already here. laughing They, of course, by their innate simplicity, burn. Iodine deficiency knows no mercy ... There even a guy with a certificate of dementia under the nickname "Parubiy" serves as the speaker of the Rada. They didn't even take him into the army.   laughing
  • Old26
    Old26 8 January 2021 19: 38
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    Quote: hydrox
    Oh, how badly it is now necessary to train the militia to work with duel artillery radars, the more such radar equipment and education is needed in connection with the principle of mobile artillery attack on civilians adopted in the Armed Forces of Ukraine: "fired and fled"
    And if the fighters master the work of the NETWORK of such counteraction, then literally EVERY shot from a heavy device will mean an ambitious artillery calculation of the armed bandits.

    For this, it is necessary, at least, to have the same number of artillery pieces as that of the APU. Otherwise, this is just talk. With or without radars
  • K-50
    K-50 8 January 2021 19: 44
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    the Ukrainian state-owned company Spetstechnoexport, which is part of the Ukroboronprom structure, purchased 152-mm shells made in Bulgaria from Poland.

    Was it not cheaper to buy directly in Bulgaria? belay
    Since they have forgotten how to do their own! fellow lol
    1. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 8 January 2021 19: 51
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      Lord psheki also want to eat.
      1. Kuzmitsky
        8 January 2021 20: 43
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        Therefore, it is clear that the shell costs a piece of green money that there are so many intermediaries. And everyone wants to eat. Well, good: the more expensive the shells are, the less they buy.
  • Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 8 January 2021 19: 50
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    Traveling through European weapon dumps in Europe is apparently the country's national smart strategy 404.
  • Maksim
    Maksim 8 January 2021 21: 00
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    VMZ - Vazovski Mashinostroitelni Zavodi (VMZ), in Bulgaria the Cyrillic alphabet is still used.
    1. pytar
      pytar 8 January 2021 23: 14
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      A long time ago! Since the days when Moscow was not yet there! yes
      1. Maksim
        Maksim 9 January 2021 01: 19
        0
        Yes, there are enough mentally alternatives everywhere.
  • Brturin
    Brturin 8 January 2021 21: 13
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    Earlier, Ukrainian expert Volodymyr Shchetinin noted that in the manufacture of shells, Ukrainian gunsmiths use a different explosive and low quality metal.

    Only after such a conclusion, is it just about simple shells or ... the other day - "The Ukrainian Yuzhnoye design bureau reported the production of the first batch of 9N221F Typhoon-1 rockets."
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 January 2021 21: 34
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    And the diameter was checked with a caliper, otherwise the Poles, together with the little fellows, will slip the bullshit, these can. fellow
    1. Maksim
      Maksim 9 January 2021 01: 18
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      Only an underintelligent will offer this yes
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 9 January 2021 11: 52
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        Learn a grammar paper before you write any crap. negative
  • Egor53
    Egor53 8 January 2021 23: 47
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    In 2021, Ukraine has planned a large purchase of Mongolian electronics in the amount of $ 500 million.
  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 9 January 2021 00: 13
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    Stubs from the master's table for the poor and the poor.

    And then buy it, it's also quite expensive))
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 9 January 2021 06: 19
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    for 20 minutes of work for the fire platoon ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 9 January 2021 11: 06
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    The Bulgarians drew laughing Hold on right now laughing