5th generation J-20 fighters with Chinese WS-10C engines showed in China

In China, a video was released on the PLA air force. First of all, this video is intended to attract the younger generation of Chinese citizens to serve in the country's Air Force. To this end, the latest developments of the Chinese defense industry, already used on certain aircraft, are demonstrated.

In particular, the J-20 fighter, which is usually attributed to the fifth generation of combat aircraft, attracts attention in this video. The fact is that this is actually the first show for the mass audience of J-20 fighters with Chinese-made WS-10C engines. This is a modification of the WS-10 engine, which was created specifically for the fifth generation fighter. Initially, this version of the engine was designated in Chinese sources as WS-10G.

Its thrust (at least as Chinese sources indicate) is about 15,8 tons.

Recall that initially the PLA Air Force J-20 fighter was equipped with Russian-made engines. At the same time, the fighters that received the WS-10C power plants are designated as J-20A in the PLA Air Force.

Earlier in China, it was stated that equipping the J-20 with new Chinese-made engines will allow these fighters to achieve greater maneuverability and at the same time reduce visibility. How much this was possible after the installation of the WS-5C power plants on the aircraft of the 10th generation is still an open question.

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[bar]

fighter J-20, which is usually attributed to the fifth generation of combat aircraft.

By whom and on what basis?

[figwam]

Its thrust (at least as Chinese sources indicate) is about 15,8 tons.

It is not clear whether this is maximum thrust or afterburner? If the afterburner, then nothing special, even rather weak.

[mvg]

At the moment, no official characteristics of the WS-10 have been published, it is only known that one of its versions has a thrust of up to 140 kilonewtons. This means that it is more than 10% more powerful than its Soviet-Russian predecessor FL-31FN.
PS: WS-10C (G) has 155kN, and UHT
https://vpk.name/library/f/ws-10.html

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: mvg

At the moment, no official characteristics of the WS-10 have been published.

As usual - look at who they have combined the appearance and characteristics and subtract the usual 50% for crooked hands, narrow eyes and a Chinese replica.
30 years ago I was shooting from a Chinese AKM - the influences are not at all the same as those from Tula ... So here too - a picture in 8 ++, in the end I would have pulled it out for a "three" ...

I understand that I poke my fingers on the Chinese keyboard. and I have a Chinese processor. But I sit in a Russian, handmade, armchair, a "Japanese" takes me to work, our, native-Russian, Mordvin cook feeds me with lunch at work. The Turks wear pants on me. Of course, you can't do without Chinese "needlework" now, but the "Bosch" or "Makita" instrument, collected in China, inspire suspicion.

[mvg]

Even Interskol is made in China. Everything in Castorama or Ozone is China. To be written Germany or the Czech Republic must be ordered from catalogs. And a simple tester, which cost me 1800 for Ali, already costs 12000. At the same time, the Chinese one works no worse.
And your Japanese, look where it is assembled, maybe Russia, St. Petersburg.
PS: Well, and the furniture. Here is the RF. It is unlikely that sofas and wardrobes are brought from abroad. If only from the garbage dumps of Estonia and Chukhland. For example leather sofas.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: mvg

And your Japanese, look where it is assembled, maybe Russia, St. Petersburg.

Yes, now wherever they do not blurt out .. But my Japanese was assembled in Japan - he waited a month and a half - they were taken to the Volga, for some reason, through Leningrad. Both the quality and the money invested pay off. True, the first three years I had to go to the official Toyota Center. But even then I found a way out. I got acquainted with the master, he writes at least TO in a book, and then I come to his garage and the same master makes the rest of the TO three times cheaper on the same equipment. And the official bolt in the wheel costs 700 rubles - I saw these greedy officials in the coffin ... Now the guarantee has long expired, but I go to the MOT to the same master. And besides THAT my "old man" has problems - just change the bulbs in the turn signals. I have not seen any other major problems in more than 10 years. The "Japanese" justifies itself - it works like a devil, apart from long-distance trips, every day for 150-200 runs (I live outside the city, in a cottage), I wander around objects ... From the Crimea I brought in a trunk a little more than a ton of stones on an alpine hill. Plus my wife and I - and on the highway 150 is calm. And I don’t drive anymore. There was once a problem with an automatic transmission - 20 thousand for solving the issue - in such a period, in my opinion, not much.

[Artunis]

Well, about the Chinese processor, you got excited, the percent you have is American and made in the states (at best, in Taiwan, if AMD). Americans are not stupid and critical technology figs who will give even for a lot of money. The Chinese do their own processes, but before the amers they are still as before the Moon in a certain position. They do decent processes only for mobile phones and even then on the licensed AWP architecture.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Artunis

Well, as for the Chinese processor, you got excited, the percent you have is American and made in the states (at best, in Taiwan, if AMD).

The last Levi's jeans were made in America in 1947 (see the official website - they don't hide it). ALL processors (I have Intel - I don't like AMD) are made at mega-factories in China-Taiwan - is this news for you? So at least read Wikipedia, or something ... And, by the way, Ford cars have long been assembled anywhere, but not in America.

The Chinese do their own thing, but before the Amers, they are still like the Moon in a certain position.

They do nothing of their own. The same "American" Chinese are churning out. Country-copier.

It's good that even though America hasn't forgotten how to cook hamburgers with pizza, they won't die of hunger. Although without "corner restaurants" with Chinese food, half of America will tighten the strap on his pants ...

[Artunis]

And here you are grossly mistaken, all the most advanced Intel factories in technology are located in the states and only a few in gamerope. There are others in China, for example, BUT there is a technical process of the last century. And notice to ANYONE the license for architecture and documentation does not sell and does not sell in principle (prohibited by state laws), and without it, even if you have the most advanced lithographic enterprise in any country, it’s just a lot of scrap metal. Although you can never buy this equipment without the permission of the same states. And the same Chinese people cannot buy this lithographic equipment - the states do not allow! Outdated please as much as you like, but new no-no. The same idiot is with us, they do not sell lithography above 90 nm, especially under sanctions, and after 90 they did not develop their own, at least they did not saw it in Zelenograd, so now we are ordering production in hardware in Taiwan. Sadness!
PsAbout hamburgers - where are the state military-industrial complex factories ??? Say the same in China? But there everything is the most advanced, including electronics, without which iron in our time is just scrap metal.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Artunis

And here you are grossly mistaken

I won't even argue. Just look at Wikipedia, I'm not talking about serious sources ...

[Artunis]

Arguing is apparently really useless

[yehat2]

the Chinese have their own generation scale. According to her, j-20 4th generation.

[Grandfather]

as the Artist Bronevoy said, in the role of a Muller ... "this is what an interesting thing turns out ... with all its" power ", China is still unable to cope with the coating of the blades. it pleases. this is our chance that we we will be one step ahead, like this, but we are in front, only the foot must be pushed forward.

[_Ugene_]

this is our chance that we will be one step ahead

very ghostly chance

[yehat2]

the Chinese generally have very poor standards and materials science
but they will gradually close the gap.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: bar

By whom and on what basis?

Don't anger military analysts ...

[Sofa expert]

achieve greater maneuverability while reducing visibility

What is it like? Who will explain?

[lucul]

achieve greater maneuverability while reducing visibility

What is it like? Who will explain?

Well, like to increase the thrust-to-weight ratio and reduce the temperature of the engine exhaust gases)))

[Simfy]

camouflage from our stolen ... they think the secrets of this, solves all problems)

[Bar1]

the fact that this engine is high-torque does not mean anything. It is necessary to look at the weight of the product and the resource. If this is a heavy and dimensional engine with high consumption and low resource, then there is nothing to brag about.

[Vlad Pervovich]

Quote: bar

fighter J-20, which is usually attributed to the fifth generation of combat aircraft.

By whom and on what basis?

Chinese, based on invisibility ;-))

[bar]

With so many wings, can he be invisible?

[yehat2]

close your eyes and find out

[svp67]

And the good fellows, the Chinese, in any case, in the issue of propaganda, in general, have gone ahead well ... The video contains a lot of interesting things. This is their story, and a hint of support for the DPRK, and the intrigue - the appearance of their "stealth bomber"
And most importantly, there is no data anywhere, how many J-20s they already have in service ... And what about the "Gyrfalcon"

[rocket757]

And do they have problems attracting young people to the Air Force ???

[paul3390]

There is. They do not have time to fight off those who wish. As in the army in general.

[rocket757]

It is easier to believe that they are going to the competition .... although, the Millennium generation and they have! But they have a LOT of people!

[fa2998]

Quote: bar

fighter J-20, which is usually attributed to the fifth generation of combat aircraft.

By whom and on what basis?

Local military. Now many show airplanes, or Japanese, Iranian and other models. Even those aircraft manufacturers! No developments in "invisibility", no engines with deflected thrust vectors, some even have suspensions - well, this is how they see the "fifth".

[Rusticolus]

And in your opinion, which generation should be decided only by the "exceptional"？ And it doesn't matter that they have a bowl of nuts, this and only this is the fifth. And all that is not so, all is not so. Well, yes, but how else then it will be possible to vparivat suckers a bowl of nuts at the price of a space rocket.

[Mikhail m]

The road will be mastered by the walking one. China is confidently following this path. All that remains is to envy.

[paul3390]

Despite many technological difficulties in China, including those with engines, I do not doubt for a second that sooner or later the CCP will solve these problems. For this is the Communist Party. The history of the Union is a guarantee of that ..

[K-612-O]

Find me Communists in the CCP to begin with. After Deng with the purge of the Maoists, there are no communists in China. And the screen remained.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: K-612-O

Find me Communists in the CCP to begin with. After Deng with the purge of the Maoists, there are no communists in China. And the screen remained.

And you find me Communists in the Communist Party at the head of the Central Committee. After the 1996 elections, the people understood who is "Who" and who is Gennady Andreyevich. The party receives subsidies from the state budget, and is considered an opposition party - the defender of the interests of the common people.

[paul3390]

You liberals are strange characters. The CCP exists, China under its leadership is rapidly developing, coming out on top in the world. At the same time, the Communist Party regularly holds congresses, party conferences, prints a lot of documents, makes reports, diligently explaining what and why it is doing. And what - will do next. But no - one hell there are smart guys who put a bolt on all this, and declare that there are no communists in China !! Moreover - without bothering to read a single Chinese piece of paper !! Some kind of darkness ... The dream of a liberal mind ..

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: paul3390

PDA

It is also written on the fence ...

[syndicalist]

Quote: Mikhail M

It remains only to envy

and fear

[fa2998]

Quote: Rusticolus

decide only "exceptional"？

Why only "exceptional"? Our Su-57 also tried to adhere to the "requirements" of the 5th generation. The requirement is conditional, but this is a new generation.

[Thrifty]

The same aviaraunda, like F35, only from the Chinese. For each plane, they will make two or three sets of their engines to hide the facts of their low resource, and they will continue to lie that has no analogues. ..

[Ross xnumx]

The Chinese J-20 can be called a 5th generation fighter with the same rights as the YotaPhone, a Russian smartphone.
The development of China's economy, GDP growth and the ability to produce and create (even copying) anything, in any quantity, are the rightly chosen development trend.
But they broadcast to us from every iron. how badly we lived in the USSR and why today, having entered the "advanced capitalist system", we continue to patch up this "Trishkin's caftan of the Russian economy."
There in China there are problems above the roof: people need to be fed, and the yuan should be determined as a reserve currency, and water from Lake Baikal must be pumped, and forests in Siberia must be cut down and taken out ... And what about us? All the way, all according to plan ...

[Greenwood]

Quote: ROSS 42

YotaPhone is a Russian smartphone.

Sold to the Chinese a few years ago.

[From Tomsk]

The hat is all this. China is unable to export its aircraft built on the Su-27 / Su-30 platform. There are no nationally developed engines for these fighters.

[garik77]

And then they will quietly begin to install our engines on their wunderwales. Everything is as usual

[halflife3]

The J-20 with the WS-10C engine appeared last year. This is the first time that the Chinese Ministry of National Defense has officially confirmed a J-20 with the new engines is in service.

WS-10C is a temporary solution. Has no thrust vector. For a supersonic cruise flight, the power was still not enough.

The more powerful WS-15 with + 180 kN is predicted to enter service in 2025. It is expected to have a thrust vector.

[voyaka uh]

Here are the first two J-20s in flight. 2016 year.

[Awaz]

well, no matter how we laugh at the Chinese, but we must remember that we ourselves also began to make good engines, practically stealing English Rolls Royces. Well, okay, at least some of our money was given to the British. the Americans in general brazenly stole both the engines and the aircraft, and only after that they began to develop jet aircraft. Competing with the Americans and tying each other's technologies, in the end they came to the current situation. For the time being, technology is hard for the Chinese, except perhaps for electronics, mostly of a household level. With combat, probably not everything is so rosy. They have no combat experience.
But since they entered the jet aircraft race too far behind the main manufacturers and with a complete lack of their own and scientific and technological developments, if they do not hide something somewhere, they will catch up for a long time. In the coming decades, they are unlikely to catch up, but they will probably work out something.
but the problem is not even with the Chinese. We are in degradation. And it's good that at some point they changed their minds and stopped giving technology to the Chinese.
and so - while the Chinese are just doing advertising, so that they can drain their crafts and fakes ..

[The eye of the crying]

Quote: AwaZ

we also began to make good engines, almost stealing English Rolls Royces

Fairly licensed, AFAIK.

[Awaz]

the license was for civilian use only.

[lucul]

We are in degradation

We only have brain degradation. Because without ideology / religion, a person himself cannot curb his instincts.

[The eye of the crying]

Nevertheless, the license was there.

[voyaka uh]

"while technologies are hard to come by, except, perhaps, electronics, mostly of a household level" ///
----
Without electronics of the highest level ("space" performance) it is impossible to accomplish those
achievements in space that they have accomplished. For example, landing the vehicle on a dark
side of the moon.

[Awaz]

at one time the USSR planted devices on Venus. Landing on the invisible side of the moon, at the present time, is not such a difficult task.
and since the Chinese work poorly in space, they gain experience and all that. War is another matter. the Chinese do not fight with anyone and all their equipment is someone else's experience, and outdated. Now, if the Jews had not been at war with the Arabs for seventy-odd years, they would hardly have had their own tanks and would have been able to produce elements of weapons that are sold and in demand throughout the world. Moreover, this is the USSR (Russia) and the United States.

[voyaka uh]

The Japanese have not been at war with anyone for 70 years, but electronics, robotics
and the scientific instruments are of the highest quality.
The same goes for Switzerland, Holland.
You don't have to be at war to be at the forefront of science and technology.

[Awaz]

we're talking about military equipment. The same Japanese know how to make, say, good cars or laptops, but they absolutely do not know how to make planes, even civil ones. If the Jews had not fought with their neighbors, they would hardly be able to make tanks, drones and everything related to weapons. But perhaps telephones or some other electronic devices could do it. And now the Chinese have the same garbage. Not having combat use and making military equipment based on someone else's experience - it is unlikely that something more satisfactory will come of it.
By the way - any production has elements of war, even the sale of oil and gas. And all this is stimulating.

[Potomac]

Well done Chinese. Good luck to them in this matter.

[APASUS]

Show then showed what the WS-10C really is? What is his performance characteristics, what resource, it may turn out that this is not a success at all, although in any case we cannot catch up with China in the economy

[da Vinci]

The nozzles are not flat! This is not the 5th generation !!!!!

[501 Legion]

I do not believe the Chinese