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Case of downed Mi-24 helicopter: Russia requested legal assistance from Baku

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Russian military investigators turned to their Azerbaijani counterparts for legal assistance. This is due to the investigation of a criminal case concerning the death of a military helicopter of the RF Armed Forces, which was shot down on November 9, 2020 by servicemen of the Azerbaijani army in the area of ​​the Armenian-Azerbaijani border.


The agency reports Interfaxreferring to an informed source.

Russian investigators asked Baku to name the suspects and clarify the circumstances of the incident. Now they are under the article on premeditated murder, which provides for punishment up to life imprisonment.

Since Azerbaijan does not provide for the extradition of the perpetrators, the materials of the investigation will presumably be sent to Baku so that the criminals are punished in their country.

As a reminder, of the three Russian servicemen who were in the helicopter, two were killed and one was wounded. Official Baku immediately after the incident admitted its guilt, apologized and offered to pay compensation. The Azerbaijani side assured Moscow that the destruction of the Russian helicopter and the deaths of Russian citizens occurred by tragic accident.

At the same time, on the eve it became known about the retraining of a criminal case in Russia for an article on premeditated murder, which automatically rejects the option with an accident when using MANPADS.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 5 January 2021 16: 56
    +12
    So let's see how the Azerbaijani side respects the Russian side, although the absence of an extradition requirement is already a weak position.
    1. Avior
      Avior 5 January 2021 17: 20
      +8
      I admit that Azerbaijan will answer that there is also an investigation going on there and the names are not named based on the secrecy of the investigation.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 5 January 2021 18: 35
        -7
        The Russian MI-24 was shot down in the skies of Armenia by the Azerbaijani side precisely deliberately provocatively - in order to CONTINUE the war. Namely.

        At first. In principle, neither Turkey, represented by Erdogan, nor Azerbaijan, represented by Aliyev, are satisfied with stopping the war with the Armenians, since Azerbaijan and Turkey did not achieve their initial military-political goals in this war - to destroy the NKR, then Armenia and move on. But most of all, this does not suit Turkey and Erdogan.

        Secondly. Will Azerbaijan extradite or announce to Russia the allegedly suspected Azerbaijani military in shooting down the Russian MI-24? Most probably not. Why?
        Yes, because it was the Turkish militants who, as you know, were part of the Azerbaijani army, who were only disguised in the uniform of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, shot down the Russians. In any case, the Turkish military was not done without it. The locks are clearly Turkish, which Turkey has demonstrated to Russia more than once in the same Syria and with the Russian ambassador to Turkey!
        Foreign intelligence knew very well that Turkish militants from Syria, Libya, etc. were fighting the Nagorno-Karabakh war on the side of Azerbaijan. However, even Aliyev, back to the wall, publicly categorically declared that this information, known to the whole world from foreign intelligence services, was allegedly just a "fake"!
        And what should Aliyev do now? To admit your public lies and tell the truth that the initiative in the provocation came from the Turks? Aliyev simply cannot do it without losing face.
        Somehow it turns out.

        As for Turkey, Erdogan has geopolitical goals, like Hitler in the Third Reich, against Russia. And Aliyev is simply in the deck of his playing political cheating cards.
        And Erdogan was raised with his Turkey, again by the collective West, as a tool of the West against the existence of Russia for its dismemberment and final colonization by the collective West.
        All this is the forerunner to TMV.

        Erdogan launched an offensive against Russia • 4 Jan. 2021
        1. Avior
          Avior 5 January 2021 18: 38
          +7
          ... did not achieve their initial military-political goals in this war - to destroy the NKR, then Armenia and move on

          And where next? What is behind Armenia? smile
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 5 January 2021 18: 44
            -10%
            Quote: Avior
            And where next? What is behind Armenia?

            Watch the video! Military analysts are clear about everything there.
            1. Avior
              Avior 5 January 2021 19: 03
              +9
              Why do I need a “clear” Armenian video?
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 5 January 2021 19: 21
                -7
                Quote: Avior
                Why do I need a “clear” Armenian video?

                Here I, Russian, absolutely do not care whose video is Armenian, Azerbaijani, Russian, Russian!
                The MAIN IMPORTANT is for the video to be analytically scientifically sound, i.e. internally logically not contradictory - infallible! So that this analysis can be used as a guide to action.

                If you do not like the video as an Azeri or Turkoman, the video is not in your favor - well, do not watch! Delov something!
                Why be an Azerbaijani chauvinist here?
                1. Avior
                  Avior 5 January 2021 20: 42
                  +5
                  Why do you need a Russian Armenian propaganda video?
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 5 January 2021 22: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Avior
                    Why do you need a Russian Armenian propaganda video?
                    Enough for you to play Vanka!

                    The video is Russian and meets Russian and Russian state interests!

                    You yourself really want to pass this video off as Armenian and discredit it propaganda in the eyes of the Russians!

                    So prove that this video, in your opinion, is exactly "Armenian"! And then you only know how to troll and hang anti-Russian labels on everything Russian.
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 5 January 2021 23: 02
                      -3
                      TatyanaEnough for you to play Vanka!

                      Yes you calm down Tatiana, in your proposal:
                      destroy NKR, then Armenia and move on
                      no logic ...
                      Azerbaijan's tasks were partially completed, and partly without a fight, Azerbaijan regained the occupied regions around the NKR and part of the NKR itself ...

                      Further, your conclusions regarding the destruction of Armenia by Azerbaijan are nonsense ...
                      Neither Aliyev, let alone Erdogan, signed up for a devastating war with a nuclear power for their countries ... they are not suicide bombers ...

                      Because of Pashinyan in power, Armenia does not need to be destroyed, it just needs to be removed from the Russian Federation, the last two years were not in vain for Armenia, the purge took place only in relation to the pro-Russian military and politicians, it did not even touch the representatives of the Karabakh clan, whose representatives before is still in power ... (who, for the sake of their well-being, do not interfere with becoming pro-American Armenia) ...
                      The Armenians understood that the Russians would not stupidly die for them, especially because of the land that the Armenians themselves are not recognized ...

                      All military analytics, now it will be reduced only to censure of the Russian Federation, you are unlikely to see a video in which recipes for strengthening Armenia in the Caucasus will be proposed ...
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 5 January 2021 23: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Lara Croft
                        All military analytics, now it will be reduced only to censure of the Russian Federation, you are unlikely to see a video in which recipes for strengthening Armenia in the Caucasus will be proposed ...

                        Why did you decide that I am rooting for Armenia or Azerbaijan?
                        I am rooting for Russia and Russians!
                    2. Avior
                      Avior 5 January 2021 23: 16
                      +3
                      Have you watched other videos on this channel? Look, they are openly propagandistic-Armenian, everything is obvious there. There is not a word about any Russian interests in the video on this channel, there are continuous praise to the Armenians and criticism of Aliyev and Azerbaijan.
                      What makes you think that this is a Russian video?
                      For two years the channel has been publishing offended about Karabakh, Armenia and Azerbaijan completely
                      There is nothing Russian there
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 6 January 2021 00: 08
                        -2
                        Quote: Avior
                        What makes you think that this is a Russian video?
                        Yes, in terms of content! By content !!!
                        For two years the channel has been publishing offended about Karabakh, Armenia and Azerbaijan completely
                        There is nothing Russian there
                        And this is all your proof ?! Yes, this is just a SHAME on your part!
                        What does the channel have to do with it ?! Don't you like the YouTube channel? And you just did not watch the video in my commentary because of YouTube, but judge the video simply by the channel that has not trickled you? "Well done"!

                        So on "VO" other videos, besides YouTube, do not pass! Such is the computer program on "VO".
                        If you liked the video on another channel, then in order to post it on "VO", you need to find the same video from another channel on YouTube, if you are lucky enough to find it - and then this video can be used in the comments on "VO" to be seen !

                        Do not text me anymore! Everything is clear with you.
                        Give me your minus and walk away from me! You are not interesting for me.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 6 January 2021 00: 23
                        0
                        You did not understand
                        I watched other videos from the same authors on YouTube. This is called the word "channel".
                        Here they are
                        https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCQIHwaN7EMlx9cn1dO8pTvA/videos?view=0&sort=da&flow=list
                        There is nothing Russian there and not close, see for yourself
                        And I didn’t give you any minuses
                        hi
                      3. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 6 January 2021 00: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCQIHwaN7EMlx9cn1dO8pTvA/videos?view=0&sort=da&flow=list

                        This rubbish on "VO" does not work. And I don't watch that at all.
                        And the video I presented is very decent and in terms of text content is just excellent! What Russians need!
                        And political scientist Sergei Mikheev also says the same thing or something.
                        I can't say anything about the authorship of the video itself. Most likely, this is someone else's analytical article framed for filing on video. It happens.
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 6 January 2021 00: 44
                        0
                        What you call "rubbish" is the video from the same source that you are praising. Just filmed a little earlier
                        If you scroll to the end of the video list, yours will also be there.
                        hi
                      5. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 6 January 2021 00: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        If you scroll to the end of the video list, yours will also be there.

                        So what of this? I found this video on a completely different channel.
                        So I had my article "What problem does America solve? Zueva TF" was published on VO. It was reprinted from the site "VO" by 13 more sites. The original source was not quoted everywhere. And what follows from this? Nothing follows!
                        Sites can be absolutely nothing to do with authorship! Reprinted from somewhere - that's all.
                        In general, the CONTENT is important!
                      6. Avior
                        Avior 6 January 2021 01: 13
                        0
                        I have a link to the same channel on which you found this video and put it on VO
                      7. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 6 January 2021 01: 28
                        0
                        Well, it means that only this channel registered this video on YouTube under this name. And maybe the Internet no longer finds other sources. The Internet usually finds what has been requested recently.
                        Also, I forgot to tell you that a video outside of YouTube may have a completely different name. I usually, when I make a request for videos from other sites on YouTube, as a rule, it turns out that the same video may not coincide in titles at all on different sites. You have to open related videos on YouTube and view them for a match in content with the desired video from other sites. In general, the same hassle!

                        In general, do not pay attention to the site, but look at the content of the video itself! This will be more correct.
  • Vladimir Mashkov
    Vladimir Mashkov 5 January 2021 19: 08
    +1
    The moment of truth. Aliev should to answer something. We are waiting, sir.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 5 January 2021 23: 24
      0
      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
      The moment of truth. Aliev should to answer something. We are waiting, sir.

      Yes, he does not owe anything to anyone ... Azerbaijan paid compensation, pleaded guilty, but excuse me, they did not find the unidentified villains ... in connection with which the case is criminal and will be terminated ...
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 6 January 2021 00: 40
        +2
        Quote: Lara Croft
        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
        The moment of truth. Aliev should to answer something. We are waiting, sir.

        Yes, he does not owe anything to anyone ... Azerbaijan paid compensation, pleaded guilty, but excuse me, they did not find the unidentified villains ... in connection with which the case is criminal and will be terminated ...

        Probably demanding information on the soldiers who fired. They were their own or the mercenaries of Turkey.
  • Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 5 January 2021 18: 55
    +5
    This video was edited in which madhouse? Too far from reality.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 5 January 2021 19: 04
      -12%
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      This video was edited in which madhouse? Too far from reality.

      If you find fault with the video in terms of pictures, then as I understand it, you edited it from what was at hand.
      In this case, the MAIN THING is the TEXT and its CONTENT.

      Do you have any objections to the textual content of the soundtrack?
      I personally have absolutely no! An excellent analysis - internally logically not contradictory and can be recommended as a guide to action from Russia.
      The rest - accompanying pictures - is the tenth thing.
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 6 January 2021 00: 42
      0
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      This video was edited in which madhouse? Too far from reality.

      Somewhere in the basements near Moscow ...
  • ximkim
    ximkim 5 January 2021 19: 04
    +1
    Again and again they are to blame for everything. But more worried are the questions for which there is no video. no article. Why: The Kremlin and the Foreign Ministry are blind, they think about it for a long time and it is too late to make a decision, it’s the 21st century, and they are still trying to pump up the rim on a wooden wheel?
  • valton
    valton 5 January 2021 20: 44
    +2
    Property confiscated in the United States, the flag torn off at the Russian consulate in the United States, Russian planes and helicopters shot down with impunity, the killed ambassador, The country humiliated at the Olympics by gray sweatshirts with an incomprehensible flag
    Turkey is creating an analogue of NATO near the borders of Russia, and we sold them the S-400. Turkish President openly declared his desire to acquire nuclear weapons and negotiated with Pakistan
    Erdogan has already lost his girdle and no one can stop him. The ban on the sale of tomatoes does not scare him, but he will easily close the "Bosphorus and the Dardanelles" when necessary.
    And they tell us pointing the finger up - there is a cunning plan!
    What's going on with Russia?
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 5 January 2021 23: 18
    0
    So it’s not the newspaper asking to provide information, what does the "secret of investigation" have to do with it?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 January 2021 17: 22
    +10
    Vladimir 2U -Not so much, since so much time they lead by the nose! This is the army, there seems to be like control, including over personnel! It means that they decided that they were playing on the stupid, politely speaking, this stupid one was turned on, and Russia is being fed with promises. Or, they ignore our requests altogether! Therefore, for the future, only a pair flight of turntables, combat missiles under the wing, a shot, even from a shotgun at a helicopter, and instantly in the place from which the scorched plain was firing! Force must be taught to respect Russia! !!
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 5 January 2021 17: 27
      +5
      Yes, Turkey is behind this. It largely leads the Azerbaijani military stationed in Nakhichevan, or even I would not be surprised if the Turkish military did it themselves. It is in their interests to divide Russia and Azerbaijan. Divide and rule. In this case, this quarrel was supposed to consolidate Turkey's power in Azerbaijan. But the award found heroes. The Turks set up in Karabakh. Erdogan is already giving back.

      Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that 2021 will be "the year of democratic and economic reforms", promised to release politicians, including Kurds, and human rights defenders from prison. Azerbaijan is still silent. He, who won the war with Armenia, now has to conquer the world with the Armenians. Will it work?


      Turkey received another "gift" from the United States. The American Atlantic Council has published a list of risks and opportunities for 2021. In the report, Turkey, Iran, China and the DPRK are included in the category of "dangerous rogue states" (Rogue State). Commenting on this, the Turkish edition of Haber7 states the following: "Equating Turkey, which has been an ally of the United States for almost 70 years, to" rogue states "is the most obvious indicator that Washington can neglect any state that does not obey its interests, regardless of friendship, fellowship And so on. This situation indicates a new crisis in Turkish-American relations, the source of which is the United States, which creates an artificial crisis and is trying to teach Turkey a lesson through military or economic coups, to suppress its rebellion. "

      According to the Turkish edition, now Washington will be tasked with depriving Ankara of the opportunity to use "swing diplomacy", balancing between the US and Russia, and bring it "into a state of static." American experts, in turn, admit that Washington's expectations that Turkey, entering into an alliance with Russia, will play the role of a Western "Trojan horse" in relation to Moscow, turned out to be untenable. However, Turkey, having purchased the S-400, has become a "Trojan horse and a NATO nightmare." She began to bargain with her Western partners, stating that she was ready to abandon the deal with Moscow only if the Americans abandon a tough export policy in the field of arms supplies, change their policy on the Kurdish issue, and generally go to certain directions of their politics in the Middle East. By and large, Ankara requires Washington to perceive it as an equal NATO member, and not a simple executor of decisions.

      According to Turkish expert Aydin Sezer, "Democratic President Joe Biden will break Ankara in order to return it to the traditional concept of a unipolar world." In this sense, the style of Russian-Turkish relations stands in stark contrast.



      Now, according to Sezer, "Ankara will be squeezed even more between Russia and the United States."

      And further. According to our observations, the West was most impressed by the results of the Karabakh war, when Azerbaijan managed to regain control over the previously lost regions. Western analysts believe that without Turkey's active support, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev would hardly have dared to fight. At the same time, there are calls to identify the reasons for the passive position of the US and the EU. As the British edition of The Telegraph writes, "it is necessary to stop the active actions of such autocratic states as Turkey and Azerbaijan, which have managed to take advantage of the situation and the disagreements that have arisen in the Western countries, which has made it possible to shift the balance of power not only in the Caucasus." The publication recommends Biden "to prevent Erdogan from playing with military muscles in the Transcaucasus and in the eastern Mediterranean" and "to create an effective coalition to fight the threat of authoritarianism."



      Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3156419.html
      Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.
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  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 5 January 2021 18: 52
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    So let's see how much does the Azerbaijani side respect the Russian, although the absence of an extradition requirement is already a weak position.

    The same, no more and no less than the TURKISH side respected us after the downed plane - there is a precedent, you can shoot down, and in response - tomatoes and tourists... So Azerbaijan depends on us even less than Erdogan on these two positions. Therefore, THAT apologized, and these will not even apologize. Well, they shot down and shot down - it happened ...

    In an amicable way - revenge should be multi-responsive, good and sweet (free quote from Machiavelli). And something should fall in Azerbaijan. But something tells me - it won't fall ...

    Glory to our altruists and non-resistance Tolstoyans from the RF Ministry of Defense!
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 5 January 2021 23: 27
      -1
      Zoldat_A (Igor, son of Alexei, a Russian soldier) In an amicable way - revenge should be multi-responsive, good and sweet (free quote from Machiavelli). And something should fall in Azerbaijan.

      Yes, from terrorism in the Baku oil fields, no one is insured ...
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 5 January 2021 23: 49
        +3
        Quote: Lara Croft
        from terrorism in the Baku oil fields, no one is insured ...

        And this is also taught. True, using the example of fuel and lubricants warehouses. In practice, it was not necessary - it was easier for my enemies. I got a liter of kerosene - for a week there is light in the house in the evening. But I still have the skill. Although I am already old for such things, my son Ryazan will finish - I will try to get to the right part ...
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 5 January 2021 23: 53
          0
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Ryazan's son will finish - I'll try to get into the right part ...

          So there is a distribution (Airborne Forces, GRU, MP, etc.) throughout the immense, if only not a red diploma ...
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 00: 03
            +2
            Quote: Lara Croft
            So there is a distribution (Airborne Forces, GRU, MP, etc.) throughout the immense, if only not a red diploma ...

            I followed the call - and then my father tried. Now my father is gone, I’ll go to the drill department with my order and medals, I’ll take my father’s order books - I think they will not remain indifferent. Moreover, I ask my son not to go to the construction battalion in Bashkiria, but in the heat. My father raised me like that and I raised my son like that. At the age of 14, he knocked down a wolf while hunting, he has been shooting since he was 10, on the tatami with his father and me from about the same age. A boy in life is afraid of only one thing - he takes to dishonor. I do not hope for a red diploma, but I hope that I will get into the part where I need it.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 6 January 2021 00: 06
              -2
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              [/ b] I do not hope for a red diploma, but I hope that I will get into the part where I need it.

              45th Brigade of Special Forces of the Airborne Forces or 16th Brigade. SpN GRU General Staff of the Defense Ministry of the RF Armed Forces?
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 00: 49
                +2
                Quote: Lara Croft
                45th Brigade of Special Forces of the Airborne Forces or 16th Brigade. SpN GRU General Staff of the Defense Ministry of the RF Armed Forces?

                In my warrior was My dear 56 ODShBr was recorded, but in fact it was a little different - I signed as many non-disclosure agreements as I didn’t write essays on Mayakovsky at school in the 10th grade (I don’t recognize any other poetry - I tried to read Eugene Onegin three times - I didn’t read it. ... request ) And I'll try to shove my son there.

                Why "was" - because at the end of the 90s they tried to "resettle" me - well, you know, the old fund, the city center ... They just did not understand that everyone was resettled (who were scared, who bought for 3 kopecks), but this topic did not pass me. I, like a ram, rested with a horn - I kept the defense of my house like Pavlov's House in Stalingrad and won - I moved to a new house 150 meters from the old one, and not to a suburb - "kopeck piece". Broke through the knee the former regional committee of the Komsomol, which "suddenly" became a bizesssss ... Twice they set fire to, the second fire burned documents - prepared unsuccessfully for evacuation. At the military registration and enlistment office they wrote down, thanks at least for this, my 56th, the VUS was put on some kind of rifle, from the bulldozer. Well, at least, the letter D was saved in the VUS. Yes, to pill with saliva - my biography, my service, my order and medals, no one, no military enlistment office will take away ...
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 6 January 2021 01: 37
                  -1
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  In my warrior was my dear 56 ODShBr is recorded,

                  "Fire brigade" SKVO ...
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 03: 52
                    +1
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    "Fire brigade" SKVO ...

                    "Fire brigade", quartered in Herat, but in fact, where it is not scattered - in Kandahar, in Khost, in Panjshir and many other places. Where it lights up - there we extinguish. We did not sit at heights and did not accompany the nalivnya on the armor - there was work there even without us. And we have our own. So that the nalivnya pass calmly and that the boys on the heights do not get nervous in vain. And try to argue with me - this is a fact of my biography, orders and medals were not scattered just like that. Is that "From the grateful Afghan people" - I am surprised that our polar explorers were not given it ... their Finns did not climb where it was not necessary.
                    If only the Internet would read where, when and how we "extinguished" ...
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 6 January 2021 11: 51
                      -2
                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      If only the Internet would read where, when and how we "extinguished" ...

                      We read it. I meant in the period after the collapse of the Union ... and the combat path of the 56th Air Assault Brigade. I know without you and the Internet ...
                    2. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 11: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      combat path of the 56th Air Assault Brigade

                      On Thursdays, PCBs, they drove it into me at political studies. Moreover, we formed it, albeit in a VERY small part, ourselves ... I left 56 under the Soviet Union, and then what happened - rubbish and timelessness ... Some homosexual decided that the country did not need the DShB. And then they became friends with America at all - and the army is NOT needed at all, to dissolve ... And to cut ALL missiles into scrap metal ... It was not for nothing that the Thatcher rat said then: "We do not have time to ask, but they themselves are already offering." As the heir of three generations of professional military men and the father of a future Airborne Forces officer, I am ashamed to even remember this.
                    3. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 6 January 2021 12: 53
                      -2
                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      I left 56 under the Soviet Union, and what happened afterwards was rubbish and timelessness ...

                      I don’t quite agree, he served in 1994-96. dashing times, but not crappy ... they drove, no worse than the dshbashniki, our foreman once served in the DShB, somewhere in the GDR, after the withdrawal of troops he came to us ... he served until retirement ...
                      The CA was no longer there, but served and went to the reserve with the CA shoulder straps, the zapo was cut off with blades ...
                      The Soviet Empire cannot be fooled, it was more powerful than the Republic of Ingushetia, the entire "civilized" world awaits in horror the appearance of a new one from us ... and it will be stronger and more economically developed than the previous ones ...
                      Some homosexual decided that the country did not need DSB.

                      I do not agree, the 56th passed all the "hot spots" in the Caucasus ....
                      As part of the Airborne Forces, there are two airborne assault teams located on the flanks of the country ....
                      4 DShBr ....
                      In periodicals I read that the 31st DShBr. (the "fire brigade" of the CIS forces in the Central Asian region), they want to transform into the 104th Airborne Assault Division ... (under the Union there was an Airborne Division) ....
                      so the share of airborne assault units in the Airborne Forces is now more than parachute and special forces ...
                      I'm certainly not a specialist, but I consider it wrong to take away from the commanders of the Airborne Assault Brigade. and transfer them to the Airborne Forces ... thereby depriving them of their mobile reserve ...
                    4. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 13: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      The 56th passed all the "hot spots" in the Caucasus.

                      And in Central Asia? Osh, Uzgen ... We have a lot to be proud of, because we have received the stigma "56 ODshBr" in our hearts forever. And you can't wash it off with soap or vodka. Everyone, from the brigade commander to the last private captain, are brothers. They did what was impossible to do, they survived where it was impossible to survive. One word - "Nobody except us!"
                    5. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 6 January 2021 13: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Zoldat_A
                      And in Central Asia? Osh, Uzgen ... We have a lot to be proud of, because we have received the stigma "56 ODshBr" in our hearts forever. [/ b]

                      Under the Union on the territory of the RSFSR, the presence of the Airborne Forces was minimal, so the Russian Federation was lucky that the bulk of its formations were transferred to the RSFSR ... (sorry for the loss of the 103rd Vitebsk Airborne Forces (your neighbors in the war in the DRA) and again faked before the collapse of the Union 105 th Airborne Division (where the 56th is from)) ...
                    6. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 16: 31
                      0
                      Quote: Lara Croft
                      Under the Union on the territory of the RSFSR, the presence of the Airborne Forces was minimal

                      And we have never fought with our people. Maximum inconvenience - on 2 August, drunks splashed in the fountains. Well, the Chuchmeks were driven away - so they were hiding on the 2nd - this is now "a ceremonial formation at the administration, fiery speeches", etc. Then the maximum is to roll the RGD under the kiosk. Normal - just fill the snout. And now the Komsomol principle - "if you want to strangle the informals - lead them." Therefore, now on August 2, the Chuchmeks have forgotten in the markets. Not the same landing party today ...
  • SSR
    SSR 5 January 2021 20: 04
    +1
    I didn’t want to comment on this article at all, comrades have already done so many stuffing on the "fan" and sorry, your comment was one of the very first, and is based on continuous slogans and contradictions.
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    So let's see how much the Azerbaijani side respects the Russian side,

    Please tell me which countries regulate relations by - Do you respect me? Yes, I respect, but only three kilograms expensive
    Ours go absolutely legal way.
    It's just that when Americans violate laws and world law, all comrades burn with "righteous" anger, such as who invited you to Syria? Or, for example, the Sumerians with their attempts to kidnap our citizens from our own land. Comrades are outraged and then call to act by their own methods. Of course, this is how Respect is achieved as a reliable and decent partner.

    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    although no extradition requirement already weak positionI am.

    That's why you have already designated "no requirement" as a "weak position".
    Can you please tell me, maybe we don't know and maybe there is such an agreement between our countries on the extradition of its citizens to another state, probably if Russia extradited its own, then you would say - what can you do, do we respect them?
    PS.
    IMHA.
    If the Azerbaijani side "wanders", then ours will begin to wander the businesses of the right people who have the right influence on the Aliyev clan, and will force them to act within the law.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 5 January 2021 22: 43
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    although the absence of an extradition requirement is already a weak position.

    extradition of whom, the guilty officials identified?
  • Terenin
    Terenin 6 January 2021 05: 22
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    So let's see how the Azerbaijani side respects the Russian side, although the absence of an extradition requirement is already a weak position.

    Vladimir hi
    We know about respect for each other, with one hand behind our back. winked
    This question does not cease, in particular because it is constantly raised at the branches of the Academy of Military Sciences.
    An advisory body, but even so. Where can.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 6 January 2021 11: 05
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    So let's see how the Azerbaijani side respects the Russian side, although the absence of an extradition requirement is already a weak position.

    And what is there to look at if the text of the article says in Russian and white:
    As the extradition of the guilty by Azerbaijan is not provided, the materials of the investigation will presumably be sent to Baku so that the criminals will be punished in their country.(C)
    Don't look here, but read carefully lol
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 5 January 2021 17: 09
    +7
    It is necessary to have a liquidation unit in order to "punish" the criminals in such cases! Azerbaijan will not give out - to find and send to the kingdom of Aida the shooters, as well as those who gave the order to launch the MANPADS!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 5 January 2021 17: 30
      +13
      If you do not put the experts at risk, then simply stir up and sweep out some of the insolent Mamedov here in Russia with a broom.
    2. Crash
      Crash 5 January 2021 18: 48
      0
      find and send the shooters to the kingdom of Hades,

      Excuse me, of course, but the kingdom of Hades is a little from another mythology wink
      And the rest. I don't want to repeat myself
      the specific culprits have not yet been identified.

      My humble opinion: and will not be named. The euphoria of Azerbaijan and Turkey is off scale, and against this background the surrender of their soldiers ... I don’t believe
    3. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 5 January 2021 19: 07
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      It is necessary to have a liquidation unit in order to "punish" the criminals in such cases!

      Believe it or not - in Israel, formed in 1947, such a unit was already in 1948. We, in the USSR, where I served, I was the same, the 2nd company, the second platoon - saboteurs-liquidators. Make a sensation to the extreme, eliminate the field commanders and retreat to the point where "Mama" will fly for us. I saw Ahmad Shah Masud in the optics of the SVD (not a sniper, there were specialists for that, but from 200 meters I would not miss and would choose where to hit - in the forehead or in the eye. There was no order .....) And if these animals are still alive, then there is no one to give the order to ........And without an order, they don't work under Oath .. And I remember her for the rest of my life: "I, a citizen of the Union of the Soviet Union, joining the Armed Forces, I promise and swear triumphs ...." Well, and further in the text .... And kiss the banner and take.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 5 January 2021 19: 28
        0
        Soldier A - it's bad that there is no one to give the order, otherwise money overshadows the mind! We need to be able to be tough so that the whole world could speak the phrase "Russians don't abandon their own" without translation!
  • Vsevolod136
    Vsevolod136 5 January 2021 17: 36
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    So let's see how the Azerbaijani side respects the Russian side, although the absence of an extradition requirement is already a weak position.

    Most likely, he respects no more than the Germans, who showed a big bolt to the requests for the case of the "Berlin patient" poisoning. Do not ask, as Wolfych said in his brochure - "Russians, look harder")))
    Do not be shy, especially since Lavrov has experience (this is about d. Morons), to impose sanctions - to announce, for example, the arrest of the accounts of the defendants, and it does not matter that they are not in nature, a ban on entry to Russia (and it does not matter that the client was not going to), and if he penetrates into arrest, quietly))).
    These organisms do not understand "requests" angry
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 5 January 2021 17: 48
    +6
    The recognition of Baku only says that the performers, and hence the initiators, are known. Baku is playing for time, waiting for Moscow's nervous reaction, hoping that this will happen. Immediately after that, they will accuse Russia of non-constructiveness, refuse to jointly investigate and provide legal assistance. Most likely, it is unacceptable for Baku, against the background of the accomplished Victory, to judge those who in Azerbaijan and Turkey are not considered war criminals, but heroes.
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 5 January 2021 18: 19
      +3
      The First World War actually began because of Serbia's refusal on one of ten (or nine, I may be wrong) of the points of the Austro-Hungarian ultimatum presented - their investigators were not allowed at home. And it rushed ...
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 5 January 2021 19: 27
        +1
        World War I actually began due to the refusal of Serbia for one of ten (or nine, I may be wrong) presented points of the Austro-Hungarian ultimatum

        The question is not why it ACTUALLY started - question in "casus belli". And "casus belli" is the murder of Franz Ferdinand, who, in general, does not affect anything and is of no use to anyone. Also a figure for me - not even a contender for the Austro-Hungarian throne. So, pure denomination ...

        So now - the Third World War, when someone wants it in Europe, hoping, as before, to sit out behind the Big Puddle, while everyone in Europe is gnawing at each other, it can start because of sheer nonsense. But the trouble is for those who want to sit out - VVP said that we will strike
        not only by sources of immediate danger, but also by decision-making centers.
        А since in Europe decisions about war with Russia are made in Washington - let them be afraid ...
        1. dzvero
          dzvero 5 January 2021 19: 46
          0
          I meant that the situation is somewhat similar to that of that time. The shooting down of a helicopter is a "casus belli", quite legal. Recognition of Azerbaijan like "yes, but not really us." And now a request for assistance from the investigation ... As if because of the "dizziness from success" the firewood was not broken.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 5 January 2021 23: 42
            +2
            Quote: dzvero
            Recognition of Azerbaijan like "yes, but not really us."

            If you need to find "casus belli", then you should ask the question: "Then who are the Martians?"and zhahnut so that the second time does not want to. And then apologize (tongue will not break off) and explain that we were not the first to start.
            Yankees push Mamedov to the side, as they did to Mishiko in 2008. Did he get a lot of Mishiko not for himself personally, but for the country? Himself only chewed a tie, but the country received
            Cho, will you also have to go to Baku?
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 6 January 2021 00: 02
              -2
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Cho, will you also have to go to Baku?

              Angry you ...
              But from the connections of the former. SA stationed in the Azerbaijan SSR, in the Russian Federation there is only the 31st Air Assault Brigade. (Ulyanovsk), ex. 104th Airborne Division (Ganja) ...
        2. SSR
          SSR 5 January 2021 21: 50
          +1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          but also by decision-making centers.

          Switzerland and New Zealand and Australia should be hit on anyone, these "centers" do not sit in high-risk places.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 5 January 2021 23: 22
            +2
            Quote: SSR
            Switzerland and New Zealand and Australia should be hit on anyone, these "centers" do not sit in high-risk places.

            Langley must be hit. One megaton ... World War III? So they want her for a long time.
            The cruiser "Maine", two hundred blacks killed and occupied Cuba ... How did the German aggression against Poland begin? From the provocation in Gleiwitz. How did America get involved in World War II? From Pearl Harbor, and on their "Arizona", a memorial, by the way, the bombers have more than questions - where and how the explosion was ... Gulf of Tonkin - four torpedo boats "attacked" "the great and mighty US fleet" .. ...
            The masters of provocations and those whom they teach (and not the secret on whose money the Third Reich was raised) will find a reason for the Third World War. Their generals, who do not remember the Second World War, but who bombed Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya - the stump is clear, they believed in their "invincibility" and want something that NO ONE PROVIDED - to scatter Russia around the perimeter.
            Well, let them try. If they don’t sweep me away with the first missile, they’ll get, personally from me, what my father taught me from childhood and the Soviet Army, Major Zolotarev, in particular, brought it to the absolute -
            And then we'll see who's govinda is thinner ...

            Py.Sy. Finca, as you know, is not mine - from the Internet. But with my own, very similar to this one, donated by demobels, I had a wonderful time in Kandahar ...
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 5 January 2021 23: 38
            +1
            Quote: SSR
            Switzerland and New Zealand and Australia should be hit on anyone, these "centers" do not sit in high-risk places.

            I read in periodicals that during the years of the Cold War, Australia had to allocate two PDs against the USSR ...
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 6 January 2021 00: 05
              +2
              Quote: Lara Croft
              I read in periodicals that during the years of the Cold War, Australia had to allocate two AP against the USSR

              Am I scared right now? For raising the mood, a frank "plus" ... good
          3. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 6 January 2021 19: 05
            -2
            Switzerland and New Zealand and Australia should be hit on anyone, these "centers" do not sit in high-risk places.

            What stupid thing?
  • Mmm.
    Mmm. 5 January 2021 19: 52
    +4
    Our authorities are only strong for grandmothers to cut pensions, drive them to rallies and raise the retirement age, everyone else is called partners and diplomatically kiss between the buns
    1. SSR
      SSR 5 January 2021 21: 54
      +1
      Quote: Mmm
      Our authorities are only strong for grandmothers to cut pensions, drive them to rallies and raise

      You have forgotten the electricity tariffs! Tse Europe with tariffs higher than Europe, a leading country! Eh, even Lukashenka will be brought up to a common heap and we will live!
      Is this what you wanted to say with your constructive "comment"?
  • Airdefense
    Airdefense 5 January 2021 20: 46
    +1
    Once again, after the incident with the helicopter, it was necessary to launch a missile strike on any military base in Azerbaijan, then listen to an apology and demand the extradition of the guilty, increasing the pressure, this public respects only force, otherwise there will be such a dizziness with success:

    Vice-Speaker of the Milli Mejlis Adil Aliyev on his Facebook page spoke with a tough position regarding the manipulations with maps of areas of responsibility, which Russian peacekeepers have been making in recent days.

    As reported by 1news.az, Adil Aliyev noted that peacekeepers should not go beyond the obligations imposed on them by international law.

    “After Armenia, being the losing side, was forced to sign a capitulation, on the basis of an agreement between both sides, Russia began to carry out peacekeeping activities in Nagorno-Karabakh. Moreover, they provided guarantees that Armenia will fulfill the terms of the agreement.
    However, it is not at all clear that the Russian peacekeepers present a new map that goes beyond the framework of the signed agreement, as well as the presentation of our ancient lands under different names and manipulations with maps. The activity of a peacekeeper is clearly spelled out in international law, and in no case can a peacekeeper act outside the duties and responsibilities assigned to him. The map prepared by the Russian peacekeepers has no legal or political basis, and they do not have the authority to draw up such a map.

    This is, first of all, a violation of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan, recognized by international law, as well as a contradiction to the terms of the agreement of November 10, 2020. In this regard, all inaccuracies must be immediately eliminated. And so the deployment of Russia in Nagorno-Karabakh as peacekeepers was ambiguously perceived by our society.

    It seems that some forces in Russia are seriously concerned about the demonstration to the whole world of the destroyed equipment provided by Russia to Armenia at the Victory Parade, as well as the further strengthening of Azerbaijani-Turkish relations. Let it not be forgotten that our glorious army, under the leadership of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, carried out the resolutions that remained on paper for almost 30 years, in just 44 days. Today our country is one of the strongest countries not only in the region, but also in the world.

    Let them be sure that in the event of another such mistake, as well as any provocation committed by Armenia and its patrons, Armenia, having assumed its vassal position, will suffer even greater losses, ”he wrote.


    and of course it was not an accident, the helicopter was shot down on purpose.
  • iouris
    iouris 5 January 2021 21: 08
    +1
    It's already funny. And it's sad. "And Vaska is listening, yes ..." confuses.
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 5 January 2021 21: 29
    +3
    Two months passed, and the Russian side applied. Hmm ... If this is how the system for high-profile cases works, then what can we say about ordinary crimes committed on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    1. SSR
      SSR 5 January 2021 21: 56
      -1
      Quote: 7,62x54
      Two months passed, and the Russian side applied. Hmm ... If this is how the resonant affairs system works,

      Please tell us about the Malaysian Boeing.
      Tell us how the elves quickly closed the case. Open our eyes, show us how they work on such "resonant" cases?
      1. 7,62h54
        7,62h54 5 January 2021 22: 40
        +1
        Boeing is not worth braiding. Your training manual is outdated, or the holidays have caused wild fantasies. Elves seem to be.
        It was necessary to start a case and ask for the names of the perpetrators immediately, and not wait two months. The pragmatists were waiting.
        1. SSR
          SSR 6 January 2021 01: 29
          0
          Quote: 7,62x54
          Boeing is not worth braiding.

          You were the first to dribble about the resonant ones, but that is how you talked about them.
          Then do not drag yourself in.
  • syndicalist
    syndicalist 5 January 2021 21: 39
    +2
    I clearly imagined how the Soviet leadership turned to Hitler's Germany for "legal assistance" in the case of a fighter jet shot down over Moscow.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 5 January 2021 22: 41
    -4
    At the same time, on the eve it became known about the retraining of a criminal case in Russia for an article on premeditated murder, which automatically rejects the option with an accident when using MANPADS.

    It is interesting on the basis of what data (evidence) did the Russian military prosecutor's office have grounds for re-qualifying the corpus delicti ....?
    According to the idea, this can only be witness testimony, written orders, recordings of radio interception, according to which unidentified persons (military unit of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan) intentionally shot down an AA VKS RF helicopter, making an independent decision or by order of the commander ... don't say ...
    If the unidentified perpetrators are not identified and found, then the criminal cases on this incident both in the Russian Federation and in Azerbaijan will be terminated ...
    That is why, probably, ours have perqualified part of the article ... anyway, they will not find anyone ...
  • KOPA
    KOPA 5 January 2021 23: 14
    -1
    And where are Our GRU and type "KGB"? ..... that's that)))))
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 6 January 2021 04: 04
    0
    Meanness! only Turks are capable of this - look in Ankara. Aliyev simply has nothing to say.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 6 January 2021 21: 38
    0
    What a twist!...
    Russian investigators asked ...
    Have they checked? ..
    In the sense, asked?!.
    Ah, I refused to grant Russia's requests.
    What's next?..