Army buggies: ATVs with a wide range of capabilities

Automotive military equipment today is very diverse. Moreover, in our time we are talking not only about the usual army trucks for transporting personnel and cargo, not only about special-purpose armored vehicles or "command" UAZs, but also about very specific equipment. This technique, by the way, has managed to establish itself as useful and effective, including during quick operations with limited forces.

The conversation in this case is about the so-called buggy. These are often small, off-road vehicles that can perform a wide range of tasks with many capabilities. They are used as a means of prompt delivery of special forces to the operation site, for patrolling in difficult terrain (for example, border patrols in mountainous areas), as a means of urgent evacuation, and more.

Representatives of military buggies include Chaborz M-3 cars with a 1,6-liter gasoline engine. These small cars, which are classified as ATVs, were created by order of the RUS (Russian University of Special Forces), located in the Chechen Republic.

And these are far from the only representatives of the army buggy. Today, special military off-road vehicles have been developed and are being created to perform certain tasks in the Far North, including those with a ski version in the chassis structure.

How military buggies cope with off-road conditions, dirt, dust and other problems is described in the Military Acceptance plot on the Zvezda channel.

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

Not the most high-tech sample, but it is also in demand, especially with a domestic engine. I am for it!

[Malyuta]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Not the most high-tech sample, but it is also in demand, especially with a domestic engine. I am for it!

I'm very sorry, but you just haven't seen this gaUNo in real life for 1,5-2 million rubles. It even starts up every other time, and the frame is welded from water pipes
This is the world's first Chechen "drone".

[Momotomba]

Quote: Malyuta

the frame is welded from water pipes

If the pipes are metal and stainless, why not?

[Malyuta]

Quote: Momotomba

If the pipes are metal and stainless, why not?

Eternal glory to the Chechen car industry!

[Free wind]

Wow, a taxi must be called so that even from the middle of this herd to get to the head.

[Free wind]

So the Chechens invented the wheel after they saw Mercedes.

[Vladimir_2U]

I didn’t see it, I didn’t feel it. Expensive, if true, of course. But how much do branded classmates cost, that's the question.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

I didn’t see it, I didn’t feel it. Expensive, if true, of course. But how much do branded classmates cost, that's the question.

I'm just too lazy to look for pictures after the holidays, otherwise I contemplated this miracle, even my little son was sitting in it. But the military man attached to this masterpiece could not start it and there are no holes under the "curve", so the exhibit went on a trailer

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Malyuta

there are no holes under the "curve"

So dviglo, in principle, under the "curve" is not adapted, even purely mechanically.

[Eldorado]

There is an ordinary VAZ 21126.

[barium]

2U --- in the 80s, in Jikak, UzSSR, the republic's championships in autocross were held, from the Samarkand military auto school, the cadets brought buggies, based on the UAZ 469. he ran not bad !!!

[mvg]

For this money, you can take a used American or Japanese. 100 times better. And the fighters will be happy

[YOUR]

Taburetkin tried to do the same. You need to develop your own. But who will go for this.

[mvg]

Then you need an adequate price tag. And when Vesta costs 800 tr, and an inadequate Chevy Niva or a Patriot?
We still do not have a diesel engine for passenger cars. Even the level of the mid-90s of Japan. You could buy a license 10 times. As they did in the UK.
Our auto giants are accustomed to government subsidies.
On a buggy jeep, you need to put a turbo diesel, even a Chrysler 2.5 liter from Sable, a French or Japanese suspension. And paint the metal as in Germany.
PS: And putting a Nissan 1.6 liter on a military vehicle and asking for 2 million is ridiculous.

[YOUR]

Who would be against it.
Only all these buggies are too specific, the intelligence units are not all.

[Free wind]

And what are these buggies for, what is the niche? To trash saigas in the steppe? The Germans also drove to Russia on motorcycles, and then together they abandoned them and moved to armored vehicles.

[Asad]

Can you give more details when the Germans abandoned motorcycles?

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, in principle, Porsche's kübelvagen is cheaper, in the series it has become cheaper than "tsundap" I cannot give exact numbers, but there was such a fact. Therefore, motorcycle technology in the Wehrmacht and began to decline.

[Free wind]

A BMW motorcycle is 3 times more expensive than a Kübelvagen, especially when the leading sidecar is made. Damn, in the Urals, it seems only at the end of the 70s that the wheelchairs were made leading, oh, how hard it is to pull the stuck Ural out of the mud, but in fact there was no all-terrain rubber. Yes, on bekhs and a carburetor, they sometimes put one, but we had a whistle with two, it is practically impossible to adjust.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Free Wind

And what are these buggies for, what is the niche? To trash saigas in the steppe?

hype, grandmother, saw cut - that's all. for Russia, this crap is just a shadow. his own experience - a motorcycle "Ural", fishing all year round, positive - vitality and durability, the rest are disadvantages, acquired arthritis-arthrosis, (although who cares about the health of a consumable?) in the 21st century, it's time to equip the army smartly. Enough to chase the reindeer, although everything is in reverse ... the reindeer are chasing us.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

... Enough to chase the reindeer, although everything is in reverse ... the reindeer are chasing us.

from the UAV, you are seriously minus now. or from the printsYpa? Do you understand that the new technological structure allows you to "remove" unnecessary obstacles. Always, everywhere and easily? in Karabakh - it was just a prelude, about ... and serious people = work on mistakes, and woe to those who do not draw conclusions.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

... Enough to chase the reindeer, although everything is in reverse ... the reindeer are chasing us.

from the UAV, you are seriously minus now. or from the printsYpa? Do you understand that the new technological structure allows you to "remove" unnecessary obstacles. Always, everywhere and easily? in Karabakh - it was just a prelude, about ... and serious people = work on mistakes, and woe to those who do not draw conclusions.

I thought so ... minus on the salary. nothing changes.

[Catfish]

The first buggies appeared in the United States in the 1950s. For their manufacture, they usually used old, unused Volkswagen Beetle cars. From the diminutive form of the name Volkswagen "Beetle" - Volkswagen Bug, the word "buggy" - "bug" comes from.
I myself first read about them in the "ZVO" in the early sixties. Then they were already accepted into service in the United States and South Africa, but in our country, as usual, they just now swelled. And what is this "Chechen auto", I know a lot about all sorts of Chechens, but I heard about "Auto" for the first time, does it even drive?
Here is a photo of one of the first "swallows" of this type.

[Eldorado]

Lada Priora is now being assembled at Chechenavto, formerly VAZ 2107 and water boilers. And now these buggies too.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sea Cat

I myself first read about them in the "ZVO" in the early sixties.

Come on, I will still believe about the end of the 80s, and the photo is not the beginning of the 60s.

[Catfish]

And what's okay? Boy, I was born in 1947, and believe it or not, I do not care at all, because I do not have much respect for you, or rather none at all.
As for the photo, from those that I could find, I placed the oldest one in my opinion. I wrote about this

Here is a photo of one of the first "swallows" of this type.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sea Cat

because I don't have much respect for you, or rather, no

Yes, and I pile on you, with such an attitude. But the army buggy at the beginning of 60 is, if not stupidity, then sclerosis, "grandfather".

[sedoj]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

But an army buggy at the beginning of 60 is, if not stupidity, then sclerosis,

To help you:

https://topwar.ru/104163-pustynnye-baggi-amerikanskoy-armii.html

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: sedoj

To help you:

Thank you:

Already in 1982, the first army buggy was born, which went into mass production, FAV - Fast Attack Vehicle

80s, though not the end.

[Catfish]

But the army buggy at the beginning of 60 is, if not stupidity, then sclerosis, "grandfather".

Mnuchek, if you don't know something, then it doesn't follow that it doesn't exist in nature.

[Vladimir_2U]

Open your eyes, Spinoza:

Quote: sedoj

To help you:

https://topwar.ru/104163-pustynnye-baggi-amerikanskoy-armii.html

[Catfish]

Boy, it is a great courage to be rude to people, being sure of their own impunity. What to talk to you about after that, sofa hero?
PS Thank you for the link, I will certainly look.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sea Cat

it is a great courage to be rude to people being confident

Are you talking about yourself now?

Quote: Sea Cat

because I don't have much respect for you, or rather none at all.

Quote: Sea Cat

Mnuchek, if you don't know something

Unpleasantly in reply get it turned out right?

[Catfish]

It was from this article that I took this excerpt:

Catfish
Sea Cat (Constantine)
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The first buggies appeared in the United States in the 1950s.

Read carefully everything, and not just what you want.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Sea Cat

Read carefully everything, and not just what you want.

This is exactly the same claim, only a counter one and much more substantiated.

Quote: Sea Cat

"ZVO" at the beginning sixties. Then they were already adopted both in the USA and in South Africa

These are your words about "adopted", right?

Quote: Sea Cat

The first buggies appeared in the USA in the 1950s.

And then suddenly they just "appeared". You don't follow your own comments. But I was not too lazy to throw in the minuses according to the comments.

[Catfish]

I'm not going to argue with you, due to the complete senselessness of it. As for the cons, do not judge others by yourself.
But it is not in my habits to disappoint people, and therefore right now I am giving you the disadvantages that you so expected of me. To your health.

[Vladimir_2U]

And I'm a plus for you.

[Catfish]

And I to you too.

[Undecim]

Bennett Buggy, 1930s, Canada.
As for the army, it really is the 1980s. US Army, they were called dune buggies.

[ximkim]

Judging by the video, the Russian developer and manufacturer does not have their own vision of the buggy (copy).

[Cheerock]

Honestly, the "cornfield" base is the worst base one can think of for this kind of technique. By the way, there is no need to invent too much, we go and see what the top-5 Russian championship in trophy-raids drives and we stupidly copy. Plus, we get a car that drives not only on roads and hard grounds, but also in swamps and can float on water for some time. Seriously, if we take even the youngest class of TP1, then all this ponteous technique will not go further than the start.

[Vladimir61]

Equipment for the Russian Armed Forces, controversial. Probably good, as seasonal, for example, in the summer on the border with Kazakhstan or in Syria, to drive through the desert. But basically our climate is sharply continental, I don't think that everyone, they just go crazy to perform tasks on it in the autumn-winter period.

[Cheerock]

This technique is only for hard ground and roads. Actually, we can finish with this, remembering that 80% of our territory is swamps.

[Diverter]

I think that such cars are very much needed in the army. Anything is better than a peskodral. Again, the shmurdyak can be carried not on the shoulders, but on it. In general, we need something.

[scary]

In my opinion, it is no coincidence that the Chechens took up this direction. Although it needs to be improved in terms of simplification. During the times of Ichkeria, they used the tactics of short-term concentration to capture Grozny. As we know from what we have read, the special officers already knew that there were many militants in the city. And what if you use such a cheap car for instant concentration. Or rather, his kit. Cook the frame according to the attached sketch in the garage, on the street from the generators. The rest is expensive - everything is wearable. Before the action, welding the frame and installing 18 hp. engine - even smaller, hydraulic pump and 4 wheels with hydraulic motors. Rapid concentration and advancement in cars, fight, retreat, then dismantling somewhere in the foothills, leaving the frame and taking out expensive units until the next frame is made. Yes, in the 90s there were many old cars, but these may not always be at hand, depending on the theater of action. If it becomes possible not to dismantle, please, you can continue to drive. True, that's how many people wear it, so many and the little car must carry. and this is a man 7: an engine, a pump, 4 wheels and a hydraulic motor, two tanks: oil and fuel with pipes and fasteners. Even maybe 8 will have to. Although pipes and fittings can also be thrown away. By and large, only the diesel engine, pump and hydraulic motors are of value. The manufacturer must provide drawings, as well as options for improvements: seats, suspension kit and ad infinitum.

[3M1N]

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