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The Dutch ambassador in Kiev said he was perplexed by the extradition of a "witness in the MH17 case" to the LPNR

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An interview with the Ambassador of the Kingdom of the Netherlands in Kiev was published in Ukraine. In the interview, one of the topics was the topic of the Boeing flight MH2014 shot down in the sky over the Donbas in 17.


Dutch Ambassador Jennes de Mol noted that the decision taken by Kiev during one of the stages of the exchange of prisoners still raises questions for the authorities of the country he represents and for him personally.

Dutch diplomat:

The Dutch government, let's say, was not satisfied that Ukraine had decided to include Volodymyr Tsemakh in the prisoner exchange lists. We asked why they did it ...

We are talking about a man who was stolen from the territory of Donbass by the Ukrainian special services, calling him a "company commander", allegedly involved in the attack on the airliner. Tsemakh was given a psychotropic substance and, under the guise of a sick relative, was transported from the LPNR through one of the checkpoints.

He was then introduced as one of the “key witnesses in the MH17 case”. The Dutch prosecutor's office intended to interrogate Tsemakh, but in the end it turned out that Ukraine handed him over to representatives of Donbass during the exchange of prisoners according to the lists previously agreed with Donetsk and Lugansk. The exchange was carried out according to the formula "35 to 35".

Jennes de Mol noted that he had the opportunity to discuss this decision with President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky.

The Dutch diplomat noted that a "situational conflict" arose when the interests of the exchange of prisoners "influenced the interests of the investigation in the case of the downed plane."

Jennes de Mol:

Our side told the Ukrainian authorities about the hope that this will not happen again.

The Dutch ambassador also said that he had watched the interview of Igor Strelkov (Girkin) to the Ukrainian journalist Dmitry Gordon. According to the ambassador, at first he was shocked by the invitation of "such a criminal" to an interview with the Ukrainian channel, and then "he began to understand what kind of people are fighting on the other side."
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  1. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 5 January 2021 14: 16
    +10
    understanding will come, then
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 5 January 2021 14: 40
      -19%
      Quote: seregatara1969
      understanding will come, then

      Can you enlighten us? Share your thoughts?
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 5 January 2021 14: 42
        +27
        The Dutch ambassador repeats the already voiced tales. He is not supposed to be otherwise. About Tsemakh, Girkin / Strelkov. It is strange that he did not mention the inhabitants of the Moscow Kremlin. They love the tale that VVP personally gave the order to "shoot down a civilian plane."
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 5 January 2021 14: 45
          -5
          Quote: oleg-gr
          The Dutch ambassador repeats the already voiced tales. He is not supposed to be otherwise.

          No, actually it is not clear. If Ukraine lies under the West, it has a "witness" important for the West, then why is it giving it up? Unclear.
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 5 January 2021 14: 53
            +4
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Quote: oleg-gr
            The Dutch ambassador repeats the already voiced tales. He is not supposed to be otherwise.

            No, actually it is not clear. If Ukraine lies under the West, it has a "witness" important for the West, then why is it giving it up? Unclear.

            In order to confuse oneself, thereby to justify the conscientious torment, knowing that they killed innocent people with their own hands. And Europe has always fed on human flesh, they are no stranger.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 5 January 2021 15: 05
              -1
              Quote: XXXIII
              To confuse yourself, thereby to justify conscientious torment, ...

              Where did they get their conscience? Where the conscience was, one thing grew. Let's do without this metaphysics. Let's consider only pragmatic interests. If the "witness" knows something, he would not be allowed to be exchanged. If the "witness" does not know anything, he would not be stolen and the investigation would not be presented. What and about whom does he know if his mouth was shut in this way? In whose interests was his mouth shut?
              1. Paul Siebert
                Paul Siebert 5 January 2021 15: 27
                +10
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                If the "witness" knows something, he would not be allowed to be exchanged. If the "witness" does not know anything, he would not have been stolen and the investigation would not have been presented. What and about whom does he know, since his mouth was closed in this way? In whose interests was his mouth shut?

                Most likely, Tsemakh could tell about the real events preceding the downing of the ill-fated Boeing. Events that would clearly indicate involvement in the downing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
                Thus, Tsemakh in court would have been a dangerous witness specifically for the Ukrainian side.
                It's good that they just exchanged it.
                He could just disappear without a trace.
                Under the current leadership of the Square, people disappear in hundreds, if not thousands ... sad
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 5 January 2021 15: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Paul Siebert
                  Most likely, Tsemakh could tell about the real events preceding the downing of the ill-fated Boeing. Events that would clearly indicate involvement in the downing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

                  And if you extradite Tsemakh to Russia, then you can not be afraid of his possible story about the involvement of the Armed Forces and sleep well?
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets 5 January 2021 15: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: military_cat
                    And if you extradite Tsemakh to Russia, then you can not be afraid of his possible story about the involvement of the Armed Forces and sleep well?

                    It seems to me alone that this whole story looks like some kind of muddy agreement?
                    1. military_cat
                      military_cat 5 January 2021 16: 07
                      0
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      It seems to me alone that this whole story looks like some kind of muddy agreement?
                      I am a simple person, I prefer to follow Occam's razor and not produce entities beyond what is necessary.
                      1. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 5 January 2021 16: 29
                        +4
                        Well, yes, the ambassador "does not understand." In their own way, in a Western way, in a democratic way, it was necessary, having stolen a "witness", in no case to let him out and twist him ... that he was sent personally by Putin, he shot down himself, and all the nonsense of Bellingcat is the absolute truth! Democrats ...
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                  2. Paul Siebert
                    Paul Siebert 5 January 2021 15: 56
                    +5
                    Quote: military_cat
                    And if you extradite Tsemakh to Russia, then you can not be afraid of his possible story about the involvement of the Armed Forces and sleep well?

                    In Holland, any decisions of our courts are ignored.
                    But if Tsemakh spoke in The Hague about the "exploits of the warriors of light" - it would be impossible to keep silent ...
                    And so - one more rogulya was redeemed at the expense of a dangerous witness! wink
                    1. military_cat
                      military_cat 5 January 2021 16: 01
                      -1
                      Quote: Paul Siebert
                      But if Tsemakh spoke in The Hague about the "exploits of the warriors of light" - it would be impossible to keep silent ...

                      Any party can request the examination of a witness, including the defense. If Tsemakh is brought in as a witness, it doesn't matter at the request of which side it happened. In any case, he will be sworn in according to the standard procedure, and his testimony will receive the appropriate legal status.
                      1. Awaz
                        Awaz 5 January 2021 17: 21
                        +5
                        have you ever seen any witnesses for the prosecution? based on what the court demonstrates, they do not exist at all. At the moment, not a single real living witness is shown, as much as one who can say in essence. All virtual witnesses, whom no one knows saw and how they appeared, no one said ...
                      2. hhurik
                        hhurik 5 January 2021 20: 30
                        0
                        A witness cannot be forced to give any testimony, let alone "extradite" from the territory of his state to another against his will wink
                        Well, this is how it all works, including in any conventions on the provision of legal assistance. The only thing that they can - and this was certainly done - is to fulfill the international order of the competent authorities of the Netherlands to interrogate a witness (a citizen of Ukraine) by the Ukrainian competent authorities. Actually, everything - if from a legal point of view.
                        So everything is sunny - the order was fulfilled, the client sent all the tries, he was quickly pushed out to Russia, from where he screwed up to the DPR-LPR. In theory, Russia could have detained and extradited him if there was a Dutch request - but could not, at the time the request was considered, he was already outside the country. Here is such a funny perdimonocle.
                  3. Xenofont
                    Xenofont 5 January 2021 18: 14
                    +2
                    But will the "progressive petition" believe even a single word of the witness who went through the "torture chambers" of Ke Ge Be?
                    1. military_cat
                      military_cat 5 January 2021 19: 20
                      0
                      Alas, we will not be able to verify this, because to inquiries from the Netherlands about Tsemakh, Russian representatives reply that they do not know his whereabouts.
                  4. venik
                    venik 5 January 2021 18: 43
                    +1
                    Quote: military_cat
                    And if you extradite Tsemakh to Russia, then you can not be afraid of his possible story about the involvement of the Armed Forces and sleep well?

                    ==========
                    WHO is on Wild west listens to WHAT Russia is saying? Whatever they say: everyone will be declared "fake" and "hybrid war"! request
                2. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 5 January 2021 15: 48
                  0
                  Quote: Paul Siebert
                  Most likely, Tsemakh could tell about the real events preceding the downing of the ill-fated Boeing. Events that would clearly indicate involvement in the downing of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

                  They would have quietly strangled him in the cell and said that he had died of covid. Or our special services would be written off.
                3. Vita vko
                  Vita vko 5 January 2021 16: 38
                  +10
                  Obviously, before the exchange, Vladimir Tsemakh was repeatedly interrogated by the SBU and found out extremely inconvenient facts for themselves. Due to the hype in the media, the elimination of such an inconvenient witness has become impossible. Therefore, it was decided to give him back so that all the inconvenient facts and witnesses were on the territory controlled by Russia and, according to Western tradition, the investigation simply did not take into account.
                  1. boris epstein
                    boris epstein 6 January 2021 18: 47
                    +1
                    And most importantly, they found out that Tsemakh at the time of the downing of Boeing was in the hospital wounded and could not take any part in this. By the way, during the abduction of Tsemakh, one Vedikoukr saboteur was killed, another was left disabled - he lost a leg.
            2. military_cat
              military_cat 5 January 2021 15: 11
              +3
              Quote: XXXIII
              In order to confuse oneself, thereby to justify the conscientious torment, knowing that they killed innocent people with their own hands.

              Yes, not those juntas have gone now. Not punitive, but some kind of noble maidens institution.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 5 January 2021 15: 54
            0
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            If Ukraine lies under the West, it has a "witness" important for the West, then why is it giving it up? Unclear.

            Because, in Ukraine, everything is "incomprehensible".
          3. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 5 January 2021 18: 17
            0
            Probably because she lied about the witness and he was not here and was shot down quickly.
          4. Olgovich
            Olgovich 5 January 2021 18: 39
            0
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            If Ukraine lies under the West, it has a "witness" important for the West, then why is it giving it up? Unclear.

            The witness turned out против of Ukraine itself.

            This cannot be shown to the West.

            Therefore, they returned quickly
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 5 January 2021 19: 00
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              The witness turned out against Ukraine itself.

              This cannot be shown to the West.

              Therefore, they returned quickly

              Nonsense, they wrote about it. They would strangle him there quietly and write off to our special services.
              Or do you think that Ukraine will simply give Russia a compromising witness and sleep peacefully?
          5. ccsr
            ccsr 5 January 2021 19: 07
            0
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            If Ukraine lies under the West, it has a "witness" important for the West, then why is it giving it up? Unclear.

            What is incomprehensible here, if the Dutch investigators can officially interrogate this "witness" or "accused" at his place of residence, and the Donbass authorities will not refuse them, as I think. But the whole problem is that, firstly, you will have to recognize the status of these republics, and secondly, you will not be able to intimidate this person, which means that their whole scenario will fall apart already at the first interrogation of this person.
            That is why the Dutch authorities were furious - there was an opportunity to try to break a man by dragging him to Europe, and the Ukrainian authorities did not help them in this due to their stupidity.
          6. svp67
            svp67 5 January 2021 19: 52
            0
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            If Ukraine lies under the West, it has a "witness" important for the West, then why is it giving it up? Unclear.

            Because he is NOT a WITNESS, he CATEGORALLY refused to read the text that they tried to slip him ... And why would Ukraine need him there?
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 5 January 2021 20: 32
              -1
              Quote: svp67
              Because he is NOT a WITNESS, he CATEGORALLY refused to read the text that they tried to slip him ... And why would Ukraine need him there?

              Then why is he still alive? Probably what to tell about torture? Or was there no torture, he said "I don't want to" and that's it?
              1. svp67
                svp67 5 January 2021 20: 38
                +1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Probably what to tell about torture?

                No, there was no torture, except for the strongest psychological pressure.
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Then why is he still alive?

                Well, I understand that here the Ukrainians have outplayed themselves. They exchanged Tsemim and literally a few days later the Netherlands DEMANDED us to issue him ... belay To which they were told that he had already left the territory of the Russian Federation. wink
                A bunch of accusations against the Russian Federation from the Netherlands followed, but this did not solve anything, except for a proposal to turn to the DPR authorities.
                So I understand that Ukraine has tried to squeeze something out of the situation at least.
          7. orionvitt
            orionvitt 6 January 2021 12: 09
            -1
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            If Ukraine lies under the West, it has a "witness" important for the West, then why is it giving it up? Unclear.

            What can be incomprehensible here. The "Witness" was kidnapped after a whole special operation, interrogated by the SBU and quickly shaken off back, as if by exchange, solely because it was inconvenient. God forbid the Dutch investigators will tell the truth, so the whole Western version will collapse. And then Ukraine will have to respond as expected. I don’t understand the Dutch investigators, why dig for themselves. Either they act exactly according to the training manual, or they did not read the case at all, or, most likely, they simply arrange another anti-Russian political tent.
          8. uralant
            uralant 6 January 2021 22: 12
            0
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            why she gives it away. Unclear.

            And they forgot who it is. Do not ask smart questions, the ukroshumers still have no one to answer them!
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 5 January 2021 14: 52
        +3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Can you enlighten us? Share your thoughts?

        First thought. They would not have received anything as a result of these interrogations ... Therefore, it was even better to cloud the investigation ... It is obvious that the entire evidence base with the accusation of Russia is built on sand. Therefore, the more fog, the better for those who started it ...
        The second thought is an ordinary mess. The right hand does not know what the left is doing ...
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 5 January 2021 15: 13
          0
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          First thought. They would not have received anything as a result of these interrogations ... Therefore, it was even better to cloud the investigation ...

          Too rude. To obscure the investigation with the extradition to the DPR (read to Russia) is not a good way. It would be easier to strangle him and blame our special services.
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          The second thought is an ordinary mess. The right hand does not know what the left is doing ...

          I understand that they have a mess, but not so much. They would roar at them from Europe, they would outplay everything. Too prominent figure.
  2. military_cat
    military_cat 5 January 2021 14: 17
    +4
    Dutch prosecutor's office intended to interrogate Tsemakh

    They wrote, it seems, that he was interrogated before the exchange.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 5 January 2021 14: 36
      +1
      Quote: military_cat
      Dutch prosecutor's office intended to interrogate Tsemakh

      They wrote, it seems, that he was interrogated before the exchange.
      before lunch ..
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 5 January 2021 15: 57
      +1
      Quote: military_cat
      They wrote, it seems, that he was interrogated before the exchange.

      What they wrote is one thing, but if they bring a person who has no idea what "cheese boron" is about, then the Dutch will understand this. So he was quickly exchanged.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 5 January 2021 16: 24
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        so the dutch will understand it

        So he was exactly what the Dutch were given to interrogate. The Dutch Foreign Minister officially confirmed this to parliament:

        Onderzoekers van het Nederlandse Openbaar Ministerie hebben MH17-verdachte Vladimir Tsemach in Oekraïne verhoord voordat hij in het kader van een gevangenenruil met Rusland naar Moskou vertrok. De uitruil werd op verzoek van Nederland uitgesteld om het OM de gelegenheid te geven Tsemach nogmaals te horen, schrijft minister Blok van Buitenlandse Zaken in een Kamerbrief.
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        (automatic translation)
        Investigators from the Dutch public prosecutor's office interrogated MH17 suspect Vladimir Tsemakh in Ukraine before he left for Moscow as part of a prisoner exchange with Russia. The exchange was postponed at the request of the Netherlands to give the prosecutor's office an opportunity to hear Tsemakh again, Foreign Minister Blok writes in a letter to parliament.
        https://nos.nl/artikel/2300705-verdachte-mh17-voor-gevangenenruil-ondervraagd-door-nederlandse-justitie.html
  3. Tusv
    Tusv 5 January 2021 14: 32
    +2
    And what 404 do that. We scratched our turnips. Tsemakh does not fit into the evidence base, rather the opposite. And so 50-50, as the chances of meeting a blonde with a dinosaur. And the western beau monde will show the forts of that blonde with a dinosaur and everyone is happy
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 5 January 2021 14: 37
      +2
      Quote: Tusv
      like the odds of meeting a blonde with a dinosaur

      so we can be accused of anything ... the chances are great. belay how is it ... hiley like! that's what I mean, that's what they do.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 5 January 2021 14: 40
        +2
        About that and speech. Hailey likelee is clearer than frank vranyo
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 5 January 2021 14: 47
      +2
      Quote: Tusv
      what 404 do that. We scratched our turnips. Tsemakh does not fit into the evidence base, rather the opposite. And so 50-50, as the chances of meeting a blonde with a dinosaur. And the western beau monde will show the forts of that blonde with a dinosaur and everyone is happy

      I somehow worry about the level of development of diplomats from the airup: such a deep thought, but so many months have passed, it has come ... At such a pace, we will never see the end of this farce
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 5 January 2021 14: 52
        -1
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        At this rate, we will never see the end of this farce

        Not everything is as scary as Western journalists paint it. Well, for example, that uzhoz applied to the downed YuK Boeing is already saying that the Russian air defense shouldn't tickle the udder
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 5 January 2021 14: 58
          +2
          Quote: Tusv
          applied to the downed YuK Boeing, they already say that the Russian air defense should not tickle the udder

          The opinion is reasonable, but not the most widespread. I talked to the Dutch many times: thinking is openly formatted by the flow of ... information that has piled on them.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 5 January 2021 15: 28
            0
            Quote: Pete Mitchell
            The opinion is reasonable, but not the most widespread.

            Well, We don't need much. Don't till under hammersmith, which means: "Johnny. Do not stand under the arrow idiyot - Kill and fight at home with UFOs drinks
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 5 January 2021 15: 34
              +3
              Quote: Tusv
              Johnny. Do not stand under the arrow idiyot - Kill and fight with UFOs
              don't tell me, let them stand ...
  4. askort154
    askort154 5 January 2021 14: 46
    +3
    Tsemakh was given a psychotropic substance and, under the guise of a sick relative, was transported from the LPNR through one of the checkpoints.

    In Holland, weak drugs are allowed, and before interrogation, he was pumped up with "Ukrainian", infused moonshine. Therefore, the trick with the witness Tsemakh failed, and he was quickly fused as an exchange.
    It is time for the Dutch justice to demand the main witnesses - dispatchers of the traffic service of Ukraine, in whose zones the flight MH-17 took place. But there are no such attempts in 6 years! The question jumps up - Who are the judges ?!
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 5 January 2021 15: 05
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      the trick with witness Tsemakh failed, and he was quickly fused as an exchange

      With the kidnapping, the 404s thoroughly fucked themselves. Surprised that civilized noticed a mistake, let's see how it goes
      Quote: askort154
      It's time for the Dutch justice to demand .... The question arises - Who are the judges ?!
      I understand what about justice you joke. And it's not a question of who the judge is, the question of how to prove, how to present to the organizer and the entire civilized community
      1. askort154
        askort154 5 January 2021 15: 47
        +3
        Pete Mitchell .... And it's not a question of who the judge is, the question of how to prove, how to present to the organizer and the entire civilized community

        First of all, to conduct an investigation not by "order", but in accordance with the rules for investigating a plane crash, prescribed in both international (ICAO) and state documents. First of all, all information carriers associated with the flight are sealed up until the moment of the disaster. Flight controllers are suspended and interrogated. Fuel analysis is done, etc. This is a whole huge set of measures to investigate the disaster, detailed by points. The true reason is not difficult to establish, if not "beat on the hands"
        What is just, clearly visible, with the "investigation" of the crash of flight MH-17 hi .
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 5 January 2021 16: 38
          +2
          hi
          Quote: askort154
          to conduct an investigation not by "order", but in accordance with the rules for investigating a plane crash, prescribed in documents both international (ICAO), as well as state ones.

          You think politically respected lol in a specific case, the "investigation" has a completely different task: to prove to everyone around whom to appoint guilty. It looks like a farce for a long time, but there is nowhere to go - you have to watch
        2. Awaz
          Awaz 5 January 2021 17: 38
          +1
          everything is correct. However, the plane was shot down to blame Russia for this. In this story, they do not beat on the hands, but continue to scoff at the victims, whom they themselves destroyed. The court is trying with all its might to adjust everything to the necessary verdict, written in advance, even before the plane took off. Moreover, they do all this so clumsily and unceremoniously that the so-called members of the court, still not all agree to sign it. Well, that's how I see the story. and even rather not members of the court hesitate to sign, but representatives of aviation security or those who are engaged in technical expertise. They then understand that they will be made extreme, moreover, all this can affect their future careers, since all the same forgery will be revealed ...
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 5 January 2021 19: 06
            +2
            Quote: AwaZ
            continue to mock the victims, whom they themselves destroyed ...
            Sponsors don't give a damn about sacrifices at all: sacrificed pawns
            It seems to me that everyone: the countries, specific responsible persons, who at the initial stage podmahil amer + 404th realized that they had gotten themselves into a mess and now do not know how to get off. By and large, they understand that if you heed the arguments of the Russian Federation, then they are all right there and then. clean and fresh, but who will let them.
            Quote: AwaZ
            since all the same the forgery will be revealed ...
            1. Awaz
              Awaz 5 January 2021 19: 16
              +4
              They now have to pull and chatter the topic. Over time, everyone will not care, and somewhere when something, in 50 years the truth will come out. All those guilty of the crime will die long ago and everything will go away by itself.
              Remember the War, its end, when England decided to fight the USSR with the hands of the Germans and Americans. I'm not even talking about the fact that they collaborated with Hitler all the time, but at the end of the war, they practically went over to Hitler's side. Official documents were disclosed in the 90s, and now it is no longer interesting to anyone. But then, according to the mind, the English crown must be recognized as an accomplice of German fascism and punished, since, as I understand it, there is no statute of limitations on this topic. And it is clear that the queen's mother with the folder has long died, but the structure itself works and it is necessary to punish this very structure, that is, the royal dynasty. It is possible to draw the parliament and the British Defense Ministry there ... But right now, no one is interested and does not look like something terrible for the layman .. Just like the truth about the Boeing with passengers shot down by the Americans or the British by the hands of Ukrainians in 50 years ...
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 5 January 2021 19: 48
                +3
                Quote: AwaZ
                They now have to pull and chatter the topic. Over time, everyone will not care and ... Just like the truth about the Boeing with passengers shot down by the Americans or the British by the hands of Ukrainians in 50 years ...

                It must be admitted that the term chattering events: in order to “forget” the level of participation of the Union in the war - the West kept within less than half a century; twist the war itself - less than 70 years; an event of the level of the downing of MH17 - the bastards will keep within ten years. Thank God, now in Russia some kind of progress seems to have gone: a couple of generations more ... to lose - and boy from Urengoy seem like a joke.
                And they will reject the information provided by the Russian Federation a priori, they will have to cut themselves
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 5 January 2021 15: 31
      +1
      Quote: askort154
      In Holland, weak drugs are allowed, and before interrogation, he was pumped up with "Ukrainian", infused moonshine. Therefore, the trick with the witness Tsemakh failed, and he was quickly fused as an exchange.

      If I understood correctly, you meant that the Dutch medicine does not work on him, but from the Ukrainian one he becomes violent. And from him nothing but "SchA I will arrange for you to testify. Whole SNT, your mother!" you will not achieve.
      It is quite plausible. (srkm)
  5. Raven 95
    Raven 95 5 January 2021 14: 52
    +14
    Enter Citizen Ambassador! ©
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 5 January 2021 18: 19
      0
      Send him, but he does not knit bast from foolishness. laughing
  6. Andrea
    Andrea 5 January 2021 15: 17
    +1
    The puppet cannot understand anything, in principle, where the thread pulls, it will do.
    The testimony of Tsemakh, as a witness, is insignificant because it was obtained by criminal means, the whole ambassador should know this.
    And about the interviews ... there were few interviews on Western TV with, REALLY, any trash with blood on his hands up to his elbows?
  7. gurzuf
    gurzuf 5 January 2021 15: 29
    +1
    Dutch Ambassador Jennes de Mol needs to stop smoking weed at work and then he will realize that Ukraine (official) is doing everything to hide its crimes. And interrogating Tsemakh is not a big deal. There would be a desire. But desire is not.
  8. Pavel73
    Pavel73 5 January 2021 16: 39
    +1
    Awesome! The Ukrainian side considered it more profitable to extradite this witness back to Donbass than to extradite to a Dutch court or even physically eliminate him. Anyone else have any doubts about who shot down the Boeing?
  9. sergej987
    sergej987 5 January 2021 17: 16
    +2
    Lavrov's words come from the beginning, and then what prevents you from asking questions via video link? He is a witness, not an accused.
  10. cniza
    cniza 5 January 2021 19: 06
    +2
    Our side told the Ukrainian authorities about the hope that this will not happen again.


    Empty hopes and we must ask the United States ...
  11. iouris
    iouris 5 January 2021 21: 10
    -1
    We got it already with this "case". They blew it up themselves. In connection with the appeal of the "shareholders of Yukos" and Khodarkovsky with Nevzlin to the court with a claim for $ 50 billion (now over $ 57 billion)