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The Pacific fleet has been replenished with the newest corvette of the project 20385

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The Pacific fleet has been replenished with the newest corvette of the project 20385

The Pacific Fleet has been replenished with the newest corvette of project 20385. The solemn ceremony of raising the Andreevsky flag on the Gremyashchey took place at the Severnaya Verf shipyard in St. Petersburg.


The naval commander-in-chief Nikolai Evmenov, who was present at the ceremony, said that the corvette would soon go to the place of service in the Pacific Fleet. Six more corvettes of this project will be built for the Pacific Fleet at the Amur shipyard, the contract has already been signed. In the future, all ships will be armed with Zircon hypersonic missiles.

Today is a significant event for the Navy. On the eve of the New Year (transferred) a new ship, completely unique in its technical characteristics. In the near future, the corvette will be redeployed to its place of permanent service in the Pacific Fleet

- said the commander-in-chief, adding that the corvettes of projects 20380 and 20385 will become the main ships of the near sea zone.

Corvette "Thundering" of project 20385 is the lead ship of the series. Laid down in February 2012, launched in June 2017. It is a further development of project 20380. Designed to detect and destroy enemy surface ships or submarines, organize the landing of troops, protect the coastal zone, and escort other ships.

Displacement - 2200 tons, length - 104 m, width - 13 m, speed - up to 27 knots, cruising range - 3500 miles, autonomy - 15 days crew - 99 people.

The armament includes the universal naval rifle complex (UKSK) for the Caliber, Onyx and possibly Zircon, Redut air defense systems, the 100-mm A-190-01 artillery system, two AK-30-mm anti-aircraft artillery systems 630M, as well as anti-submarine complex "Package".
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 29 December 2020 13: 42
    +41
    Today is a significant event for the Navy.

    Raising the flag is sacred! Congratulations, KTOF! Seven feet under the keel, Thundering!
    1. Cool but not Igor
      Cool but not Igor 29 December 2020 15: 40
      -33%
      Thundering is it whose air defense is raw and who could only shoot down a target with machine guns? Uryayayayaya, what a strong replenishment!
      https://topwar.ru/178009-dyrjavyj-zontik-flota.html
      1. A009
        A009 29 December 2020 15: 53
        +11
        Yes. Therefore, you have nothing to fear. Sleep well.
        1. Machito
          Machito 29 December 2020 16: 33
          +5
          These are not machine guns, they are metal cutters. In general, the Armor seems to have been finished, maybe they can be installed on the Thundering? Moremans enlighten the infantry.
          1. Cyril G ...
            Cyril G ... 30 December 2020 23: 29
            +4
            Pantsyr has a different problem, according to rumors, Pantsyr-S will go blind in bad weather.

            You can't just put the armor there, although it makes sense for yourself ..
            Project needs reworking
      2. seregin-s1
        seregin-s1 29 December 2020 16: 09
        -7
        Igor !!!!!!!!!!!
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 29 December 2020 16: 18
        -11%
        Yes, everything is wrong ... and Shoigu does not build aircraft carriers.
        the country has slipped to the level of Brazil (with small) !!!.
        Is it only Shoigu to blame for the absence of aircraft carriers?
        and who is not happy with the Zhiguli and their vodka?
        who needs cheap tangerines and bananas?
        and jacks and paint for the roof, where is it better and cheaper?

        is it possible to live if Atrid died?
        life goes on.........
        1. nnm
          nnm 29 December 2020 16: 27
          +3
          Somehow you started celebrating the New Year a bit early!))
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 29 December 2020 16: 35
            -8
            neighbors in komt write - "promised" - "included in the fleet" .. they have until the new year another 3 years to wait for the promised.

            humor like "it's all to blame Shoigu"

            if only they (the com-tori) remain saints ...
      4. seregin-s1
        seregin-s1 29 December 2020 17: 13
        +8
        "Thundering" project 20385, "Yakov Balyaev" of project 12700, 20380 "Hero of the Russian Federation Aldar Tsydenzhapov", project 11711 "Pyotr Morgunov", "Sargan" of project 1100M "6 boards, boat" Pavel Simonov "of project 23040, two search boats rescue support project 23040, "Pavel Derzhavin" project 22160, large hydrographic boat "Alexander Firsov" project 23370 G, boat of project 02510 type "BK-16", MRK "Odintsovo" project 22800, hydrographic boat "Alexander Makorta" project 19920, 17 the newest patrol boat of project 03160 "Raptor", deep-sea vehicle "AS-28", submarine "Volkhov" of project 636.3, "Balaklava" of project 10410, two new offshore diving boats of project 23040 - RVK-1264 and "Alexander Sheremet "," Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky "of project 22100 and" Taimyr "of project 22120, Nuclear submarine of project 971" Vepr ", tugboat" RB-371 ", frigate project 22350" Admiral of the fleet Kasatonov ", Two patrol boats" Raptor "of project 03160," Taimyr "project 22120, MGK" Nikolay Skosyrev "," Prince Vladimir "project 955A, Hydrographic vessel of project 865" Romuald Muklevich "," Akademik Aleksandrov "project 20183, tugboat project 23470" Sergei Balk "," Akademik Pashin "project 23130.
        So something on a small fleet will pull. And that is not all.
      5. AlexG83
        AlexG83 29 December 2020 19: 34
        +2
        Quote: Cool but not Igor
        Thundering is it whose air defense is raw and who could only shoot down a target with machine guns? Uryayayayaya, what a strong replenishment!
        https://topwar.ru/178009-dyrjavyj-zontik-flota.html

        What does this mean in this article?
        "Note. Updated information -" Redoubt "on" Thundering "still shot down the target, and accordingly the artillery worked again at the simulated target."
        1. Cool but not Igor
          Cool but not Igor 29 December 2020 20: 02
          -4
          Oh, and I think why there are inconsistencies in the articles. That would not hurt you, I would not recognize this tk. there is no time to open the news several times for clarifying information. But! The author wrote a sequel, is it normal that the missile target is old and it was shot down at an altitude of 100 meters, if modern missiles fly at a height of 1.5 meters from the wave? https://topwar.ru/178450-dyrjavyj-zontik-flot-tehnicheskij-razbor-strelb-gremjaschego.html
      6. HUNTERDON
        HUNTERDON 29 December 2020 20: 30
        -3
        in your fleet, the toilets have been restored and strengthened properly, otherwise you will have to go to the full
        1. Cool but not Igor
          Cool but not Igor 29 December 2020 20: 31
          -1
          He's as mine as yours
          1. HUNTERDON
            HUNTERDON 29 December 2020 20: 33
            +1
            I doubt, however, that you have anything to do with the navy. you should do it like that and it will do
            1. Cool but not Igor
              Cool but not Igor 29 December 2020 20: 48
              0
              This is not vyser, I am referring to the conclusions of the article written by the captain of the 3rd rank! By the way, at the end of the article, he attached a screen of the letter to the chief military prosecutor about the weak characteristics of the air defense of Thundering. Do not hesitate to master the article
      7. wow
        wow 30 December 2020 11: 19
        -2
        Jump-jump on the sofa ...!
  2. Bongo
    Bongo 29 December 2020 13: 52
    +1
    The Pacific Fleet was replenished with the newest corvette of project 20385. The solemn ceremony of raising the Andreevsky flag on the "Gremyashchiy" took place at the "Severnaya Verf" shipyard in St. Petersburg.

    Maybe I don't understand what? Isn't it more correct for KTOF to build ships at the NPP in Komsomolsk-on-Amur?
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 29 December 2020 13: 57
      +17
      It was originally planned to send him to the KSF to serve, then (when he was already launched into the water) it was decided that he would be more needed in the Pacific Ocean ..
    2. Eldorado
      Eldorado 29 December 2020 14: 34
      +13
      Have you seen the power of the ASZ? They are very weak. At the same time, a corvette and 4 RTOs are being built there for the fleet. 4 more corvettes are being prepared for construction.
    3. novel66
      novel66 29 December 2020 15: 51
      -7
      corvette - put on a stick! where are the destroyers? Sergey, the kindest!
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 29 December 2020 16: 19
        -5
        where are the aircraft carriers ??????????? ................................
        .................................
        ...............................
        again the guilty ones were found ..
        The main thing is that you don't need to look at the mirror.
        1. novel66
          novel66 29 December 2020 16: 25
          -5
          I'm not sure about them. are they really needed
    4. g1v2
      g1v2 29 December 2020 17: 48
      +12
      Now they will. In addition to the last ordered 20380, we ordered 2 more 20380s and 4 20385s at the ASCZ. In total, the Pacific Fleet will have 12 corvettes - 6 20380 and 20385 corvettes each. , when MTU refused to supply engines to us. Therefore, they initially wanted to complete only the mortgaged pair. But the engines substituted import and a new contract was signed. And ASCZ was initially in a bad financial position - all in debt. Now the problems have already been solved and he has reached a normal pace and will continue to build corvettes and he will be the one for the Pacific Fleet.
  3. Alexander X
    Alexander X 29 December 2020 13: 55
    +10
    Fine! Under the Christmas tree, the Russian fleet has been replenished with one more ship!
    1. Sofa
      Sofa 29 December 2020 15: 22
      -4
      They say the test for armament did not pass
  4. lis-ik
    lis-ik 29 December 2020 13: 57
    -7
    That is, an article about air defense, is it not about anything, or are we now passing underships as yet another unparalleled?
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 29 December 2020 14: 11
      +8
      The article on air defense is correct. The Zaslon complex stands as a third of the corvette, which is simply unacceptable, it is designed crookedly. Radio correction, which is critical, no.
    2. Volder
      Volder 29 December 2020 14: 11
      +6
      Quote: lis-ik
      do we now have underships issued as regular unparalleled ships?
      These ships are not issued by anyone as having no analogues.
      1. Kart
        Kart 29 December 2020 15: 27
        +8
        Never mind. This is a famous gang of trolls. Their task is to water everything that their hands can reach.
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    4. Eldorado
      Eldorado 29 December 2020 14: 37
      +13
      "Thundering" really has no analogues. Not a single corvette in the world is armed with the UKSK.
      1. novel66
        novel66 29 December 2020 15: 52
        -5
        Isn't it because we don't build larger ships, and at least somewhere to cram?
  5. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 December 2020 14: 11
    +13
    If I'm not mistaken, in December alone, this is the fourth or fifth ship that entered the Navy, and this is good news. As usual seven feet under the keel and good service to the marimans.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 29 December 2020 14: 57
      +3
      They write that very little:
      The results of the arrival of new weapons in the Navy: out of 8 planned strategists. Project 955 Borey nuclear submarine in service - 4, 1 - on testing. Of the 8 multipurpose nuclear submarines of project 885 "Ash" in service - 1 (!), 2 were launched. Instead of 20 new diesel-electric submarines - 9. For 10 years, the Navy received 7 corvettes from 35, 5 frigates from 14, 2 troops. ship out of 6. Instead of 55 Su-57 aircraft in the troops - 1, 4 will arrive in 2021, the US Air Force receives> 130 F-35s annually, the rate of delivery of the Su-57 threatens to seriously lag behind. Instead of 10 S-500 divisions, there is not a single one (!). The troops received about 40 "Armata" T-14 from 2300 (!). MLRS of different calibers - a serious lag. The RF military-industrial complex should begin mass production of new models based on the latest developments. This is necessary from the analysis of the nature of the b / d in the SAR, Libya, Karabakh. The present time is pre-war. Deficiencies will have extremely grave consequences, combined with capricious moods.
      1. Eldorado
        Eldorado 29 December 2020 15: 22
        +9
        Quote: hydroy
        They write that very little:
        The results of the arrival of new weapons in the Navy: out of 8 planned strategists. Project 955 Borey nuclear submarine in service - 4, 1 - on testing. Of the 8 multipurpose nuclear submarines of project 885 "Ash" in service - 1 (!), 2 were launched. Instead of 20 new diesel-electric submarines - 9. For 10 years, the Navy received 7 corvettes from 35, 5 frigates from 14, 2 troops. ship out of 6. Instead of 55 Su-57 aircraft in the troops - 1, 4 will arrive in 2021, the US Air Force receives> 130 F-35s annually, the rate of delivery of the Su-57 threatens to seriously lag behind. Instead of 10 S-500 divisions, there is not a single one (!). The troops received about 40 "Armata" T-14 from 2300 (!). MLRS of different calibers - a serious lag. The RF military-industrial complex should begin mass production of new models based on the latest developments. This is necessary from the analysis of the nature of the b / d in the SAR, Libya, Karabakh. The present time is pre-war. Deficiencies will have extremely grave consequences, combined with capricious moods.

        Where did you get all this nonsense?
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 29 December 2020 15: 22
          -12%
          Various military correspondents post this in the cart
          1. Kart
            Kart 29 December 2020 15: 28
            +11
            Here on VO such military correspondents divorced - there is nowhere to spit.
            1. Lex_is
              Lex_is 29 December 2020 16: 25
              -2
              Did the military correspondents write the state armament program GPV 2020?

              It was planned to supply eight Project 955 Borey nuclear submarines and eight Project 885 Yasen multipurpose nuclear submarines, as well as more than 50 surface ships, including 15 frigates and 35 corvettes, 6 small missile ships of Project 21630 Buyan, 6 large landing ships of project 11711 "Yantar".
            2. Genry
              Genry 29 December 2020 16: 59
              +6
              Quote: Carte
              Here on VO such military correspondents divorced - there is nowhere to spit.

              And so that all the liar-cows overboard.
              1. Alexander Vorontsov
                Alexander Vorontsov 30 December 2020 10: 40
                +1
                Quote: Genry
                Quote: Carte
                Here on VO such military correspondents divorced - there is nowhere to spit.

                And so that all the liar-cows overboard.

                Well, it seems alive and well.
                People with cameras always bothered when someone does something responsible, and they shoot. I can imagine how this can annoy the sailors - a crowd of civilians who are not familiar with the ship where they should not be.
                This effect of "looking over the shoulder" is terribly annoying.
                Apparently in this case, the mental energy of all those who wanted reporters to get away with their camera, still found a way out)))
        2. hydroy
          hydroy 29 December 2020 15: 26
          -5
          And taken from here: http://www.segodnia.ru/content/236416
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 29 December 2020 16: 31
        0
        the rate of profit is not taken from the number of turnover, but by one-time haps. the more R&D, the more profit without costs.
      3. Olkhovsky
        Olkhovsky 29 December 2020 18: 00
        +2
        Deficiencies will have extremely grave consequences in combination with capricious moods.

        These problems are hundreds of years old. Nothing changes in Russia.
      4. Volder
        Volder 30 December 2020 12: 37
        -1
        Quote: hydroy
        Instead of 20 new diesel-electric submarines - 9. For 10 years, the Navy received 7 corvettes out of 35 ...
        The numbers "instead of" are taken from the voiced wishes of officials. But this is just a wishlist, there were no approved plans. In the United States, wishlist for the construction of fifty "Zamvolts" were voiced. In fact, the plans were revised, limiting themselves to three units.
    2. hydroy
      hydroy 29 December 2020 14: 58
      -4
      but honestly why, if there is a red button ...
      1. Cyril G ...
        Cyril G ... 29 December 2020 17: 35
        +3
        Serious general-purpose forces are still vital ...
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 December 2020 11: 55
        +1
        Quote: hydroy
        but honestly why, if there is a red button ...

        And then that red button is a global strategic response. It is pressed once. And living after pressing it will be extremely uncomfortable.
        And how to respond to challenges that do not reach the level of global war? A simple example: someone from the countries of the new cordon sanitaire is organizing a large-scale provocation at the border. What, are we going to plant mushrooms over targets 50-100 km from our border? Or right away "the whole world is in dust"?
  6. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 29 December 2020 14: 13
    +9
    Well and Good! Pacific with Replenishment! Ship Seven Feet under the Keel, Commander and Crew - Health and Luck!
    1. novel66
      novel66 29 December 2020 15: 53
      +5
      fleet - more ships!
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 29 December 2020 15: 59
        +1
        Greetings Roman hi ! As the saying goes "for those who are in the Sea" drinks
        1. novel66
          novel66 29 December 2020 16: 27
          +2
          yes, this is us forever drinks , but tired of rejoicing corvettes, a destroyer or a cruiser would .. crying
  7. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 29 December 2020 14: 20
    +8
    The Pacific fleet has been replenished with the newest corvette of the project 20385


    Great news, the Pacific Fleet needs to be developed, good luck good
  8. Eldorado
    Eldorado 29 December 2020 14: 32
    +8
    Seven feet under the keel!
    But what about the "Grayvoron" MRK, which once went to sea for testing, and everything died out. They promised to transfer the KCHF in December.
    1. next322
      next322 29 December 2020 16: 00
      +6
      Tomorrow they will raise a flag over it in Sevastopol ........
  9. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 29 December 2020 14: 58
    +5
    corvettes of projects 20380 and 20385 will become the main ships of the near sea zone.


    Very reasonable decision.
    1. faiver
      faiver 29 December 2020 15: 09
      +2
      A very smart solution
      - I'm not sure if we have a planned construction speed that corvettes, that frigates are the same, and the funniest thing is the price is approximately equal with a double difference in displacement and despite the fact that the frigate is more armed ...
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan 29 December 2020 15: 30
        +11
        The build speed will increase. What do you want, only the lead corvette entered the fleet. There were so many problems with weapons and engines and everything else.

        The price of a corvette cannot be equal to a frigate with large armament, the fact that Project 20385 is not cheap is normal, since although it carries fewer missiles than Project 22350, it still has the same systems, so the price is the same.

        That being said, do not forget that the ship has not only a price per piece, but also an operating cost. Nobody transports a refrigerator with Kamaz, for this there is a Gazelle. So here too, it will be much cheaper to protect your coast with corvettes than to do the same with frigates.

        And in terms of capabilities, Project 20385 is not much inferior to Project 22350. And it can detect a ship and a submarine and hit it with a rocket / rocket torpedo from the UKSK at the same distance.

        And more from the watchdog is not needed. It is better to keep 2 corvettes on duty at sea than one frigate. Kiroshina will burn the same number of people and approximately equally divided, but 2 corvettes and a larger area will keep under control and will be able to insure each other.

        The larger the series, the cheaper these ships will cost us. Maybe someone will take it for export, it would be nice.

        They say the corvettes have problems with air defense, in terms of repelling a massive missile strike, maybe so, but I think over time this problem will be solved, and the corvettes will subsequently be modernized.

        Good corvette pr.20380 / 20385 came out, power and beauty in one case!
        1. faiver
          faiver 29 December 2020 15: 37
          -1
          Corvette price cannot be equal to frigate
          - as practice shows, we can.
          Construction speed will increase
          - you didn’t read it carefully, I didn’t write "planned" for nothing, I took it not for the built ones, but for those that were just laid ...
        2. Cyril G ...
          Cyril G ... 30 December 2020 02: 03
          +2
          Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
          only the lead corvette entered the fleet.


          The head corvette was commissioned 12 years ago, after which 4 corvettes for the Baltic were built at an average rate of 8 years per ship, ASZ built 3 ships - the first in 11 years, the second in 6, the third in 5. Progress cho! And the Thundering was also built for 8 years. Moreover, he is still incapable of combat ...

          And in general, the madhouse continues. For some reason, we have pushed 4 built corvettes to the Baltic, but where they and their Minotaurs are needed like air - in the North to cover the deployment of SSBNs and nuclear submarines. Not a single ship was sent there. What is this stupidity or treason !?
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 30 December 2020 17: 18
            0
            Do not confuse projects 20380 and 20385.

            Project 20385 just entered the fleet and 12 years ago there were no such ships.

            And stop whining about the timing, you must understand that the transfer is associated with the introduction of a new shipborne air defense system into the armament and the problem of import substitution of engines !!!

            They bought imported engines, because they shouldn't have made their own soon, and then they stopped selling them to us due to the sanctions.

            And now most of the problems have been resolved and this is worth celebrating, not whining.

            Poland's GDP is only 3 times less than that of Russia and has access to any Western technologies, but they have not even mastered ONE corvette !!!

            And Russia is essentially building these ships from scratch, according to new projects, multipurpose, in the conditions of sanctions and lower prices for the resources we export !!!

            At the same time, we are building ships and the budget is growing and the country's reserves are growing.

            And the same USSR, selling resources, gobbled up the entire gold reserve created by Stalin and brought the people to poverty, and the country to collapse - this is the price that was paid for that fleet, including that of the USSR.

            And to the North our frigates go to Project 22350. Already 2 there, soon there will be more.

            Ships are needed in all fleets and they are being built and will be built faster and better.

            Less whining and panic.
            1. Cyril G ...
              Cyril G ... 30 December 2020 17: 47
              +4
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              Less whining and panic.


              You are confusing me with someone. I'm talking about facts. By the way, what do you have to do with the fleet?

              And to the North our frigates go to Project 22350. Already 2 there, soon there will be more.


              So once again, so that even you can understand. 2 ships with SJSC Minotaur is less than 4 and even more than 6. We now have billions senselessly put into the NSNF (I do not agree with Comrade Klimov in his assessment of the role and place of NSNF) several 30-year-old Albatrosses are guarding and ensuring their deployment and have not been renovated and modern. I won't even repeat my question.
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan 30 December 2020 22: 03
                -2
                2, of course, less than 4, but this is not the end of the construction of the ships, the ships are being built and will be delivered to our fleets.

                Here is my answer, I will repeat it to you again.

                And the Albatrosses have nothing to repair, and it is better to build new ships.

                The corvettes of Project 20380 and Project 20385 went into production, as did the frigates of Project 22350, and this is excellent.

                Over time, there will be more and more of them, and the identified shortcomings will try to eliminate.
                1. Cyril G ...
                  Cyril G ... 30 December 2020 23: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  And the Albatrosses have nothing to repair, and it is better to build new ships.

                  Actually, they had to be modernized. They still need to be modernized because the Russian Navy today and in the near future is not able to ensure the combat deployment of NSNF. And in anti-submarine warfare, the number of carriers of the SAC is extremely important. Albatrosses will still serve for at least ten to fifteen years. Instead, traitors in admiral's shoulder straps flushed money down the toilet - I'm talking about the construction of "Patrol ships", the creation of the delusional "Poseidon" and so on, so on.
                  1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                    Ratmir_Ryazan 31 December 2020 01: 53
                    -2
                    Patrolmen are needed to fight pirates, a series of five ships is quite adequate and not at all superfluous. Not so long ago, these pirates hijacked a ship every week.

                    Moreover, pirates are a real threat and send a cruiser to fight them, as we did, a waste.

                    Poseidon is a weapon that neutralizes the US missile defense and will not be an unnecessary deterrent for any state with access to the sea.

                    Albatrosses have nothing to modernize, they probably don't even have engines for them. And this modernization, if done, will be very expensive and time consuming, close to the cost of a new ship of this class. It is wiser to build a series of corvettes, which is being done now.

                    There are more than 20 destroyers and the same number of submarines against the Pacific Fleet from Japan alone. How do you propose to restrain them? Albatrosses?

                    Albatrosses are afraid they will be destroyed by enemy submarines before they can detect it.

                    We need multipurpose ships that will be able to detect the enemy both above and below water and reach him with missiles and, in the event of a torpedo / missile attack, reflect it.

                    Will your beloved Albatross handle this? No.

                    That is why now they are building project 20380 and project 20385.
                    1. Cyril G ...
                      Cyril G ... 31 December 2020 12: 19
                      +3
                      Patrolmen are needed to fight pirates, a series of five ships is quite adequate and not at all superfluous. Not so long ago, these pirates hijacked a ship every week.


                      To do this, in principle, it was not worth spending 40 billion rubles, but it was possible to buy 4-5 serviceable ocean trawlers to arm them and ensure constant watch in key points of the ocean and escort in dangerous areas. Moreover, to arm from the presence of the fleet, although according to the model as the Cubans did, in contrast to our, uh, "admirals". Moreover, while they were building and the pirates disappeared. Cho clowns.


                      Poseidon is a weapon that neutralizes the US missile defense and will not be an unnecessary deterrent for any state with access to the sea.


                      Well, that is, you decided to forget that for any power that has a tolerable navy, Poseidon is meat, and the US missile defense is more of a legend.

                      How do you propose to restrain them? Albatrosses?


                      This question is just completely resolved. Digitizing and modernizing Sheloni or replacing it with the Minotaur, replacing DTA-533 with Packages, modernizing the Wasp - which is an interesting question, but the issue was being resolved, and replacing the Cabin / Frigate with Positive

                      Albatrosses have nothing to modernize, they probably don't even have engines for them. And this modernization, if done, will be very expensive and time consuming, close to the cost of a new ship of this class.


                      See above. The question was solved quite adequately ten years ago. Instead, the admirals of the AMF RF raved, sawed the loot and were engaged in obvious treason.
                      Are you trying to draw conclusions without knowing the question? So I will explain - Diesel M-507 for today are quite in mass production they are put on the project 22800 Carrakurt.

                      That is why now they are building project 20380 and project 20385.

                      And they built a lot in 15 years ?! 6 ships Karl! 8 years! on the serial I emphasize this is a corvette. In parallel, we are building senseless and useless RTOs and Patrol ships. Fiction.
                      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                        Ratmir_Ryazan 31 December 2020 21: 38
                        -2
                        If we buy something abroad, like the trawlers you proposed, we simply give the money to foreigners, and when we build ships, all the money goes to our enterprises, our engineers, our workers and our subcontractors, that is, it remains in our economy !!!

                        Are you aware of the difference?

                        And why do we need to remake a trawler when we can create a ship from scratch for a specific task.

                        There are no cuts here, there is experience that we get only with experience.

                        And the pirates did not disappear anywhere, they just realized that this craft was becoming too risky.

                        The highest valor of a soldier and sailors is not death on the battlefield, but the prevention and thoughts of the enemy about an attack on our country and our citizens.

                        And the presence of 5 patrol officers of project 22160 in Russia is exactly what they do.

                        And I don't see any sense in remaking Albatrosses, for example. Why install new systems in an old worn-out case ?! For the money, it won't come out cheap. In my opinion, it is necessary to increase the production of corvettes, and this is what they are doing now.

                        RTOs made sense until the United States withdrew from the INF Treaty. And even now, let them be, do not cut them.

                        In general, of course, our fleet has problems, like all other areas, but we are solving and developing these problems.

                        The fleet is clearly not deprived of our attention, we are developing in all directions. I would like more, but we must measure our capabilities with desires.
                      2. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 1 January 2021 00: 00
                        +2
                        Are you aware of the difference?

                        Do you realize that you are talking nonsense? You can buy a used Trawler in good condition for a yard. Another half-yard of preparation for the fight and the march. Do you realize? For a total of 9 yards, you get 6 adequate patrol ships. in the cross section 3-9 months.

                        And why do we need to remake a trawler when we can create a ship from scratch for a specific task.

                        Then, that creating a ship for a specific task is a uniform madhouse, is it clearer to you?
                        There are no cuts here, there is experience that we get only with experience.

                        I suppose 10-15 yards went into the cut for sure.

                        And the presence of 5 patrol officers of project 22160 in Russia is exactly what they do.

                        They don't do anything, they just devoured the grandmothers of the OVR forces, which ultimately reduces the effectiveness of the NSNF ..
                        And I don't see any sense in remaking Albatrosses, for example.

                        So you are clearly incompetent ...
                        RTOs made sense until the United States withdrew from the INF Treaty. And even now, let them be, do not cut them.

                        MRK pr.22800 does not make sense initially from the word at all!

                        In general, of course, our fleet has problems,

                        The Navy is in the worst condition ...
                      3. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 1 January 2021 01: 16
                        +1
                        Corruption has eaten everything. Whole projects are created for the sake of cutting money. Not "decent" 10% of the project, but an unnecessary project is invented, it becomes more complicated so that no ends can be found and half or more are stolen.
                        Regarding converting trawlers into patrol ships, that's a great idea. Their seaworthiness is excellent, supernatural weapons are not needed. There is plenty of room for a helicopter, landing and cargo, if necessary.
                      4. Cyril G ...
                        Cyril G ... 1 January 2021 01: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                        Regarding converting trawlers into patrol ships, that's a great idea.

                        I've been writing about this since the first rumors about the Patrol Ships. Moreover, there is a personal experience of the combat service of the commander of the inspection group on Project 503. There is something to compare with.

                        Corruption has eaten everything. Whole projects are created for the sake of cutting money. Not "decent" 10% of the project, but an unnecessary project is invented,

                        Ours follow the example of the Americans. There they are sawing so that the noise turns up.
  10. Gippo
    Gippo 1 January 2021 23: 08
    0
    Kiroshina will burn the same number of people and approximately equally divided, but 2 corvettes and a larger area will keep under control and will be able to insure each other.

    Mr. expert, you should learn Russian and pass the Unified State Exam successfully. Without Kirosin.
    No, laughing without stopping. Kyroshin, on the corvette, insuring each other, I can't already ...
  • infantryman2020
    infantryman2020 29 December 2020 15: 15
    +3
    A very reasonable solution would be if the project was one, unified.
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 31 December 2020 12: 20
      0
      As you can see, this does not happen with us.
  • Orkraider
    Orkraider 29 December 2020 15: 04
    +8
    Congratulations to the Pacific Fleet on the replenishment!
    Great news, it's nice when the planned is done!
    Uraaa, comrades!

    We are waiting for 4 more corvettes drinks

    It is a pity that then there will be a failure in several years, but the main thing is the decision to build further the series, which means that all problems will be overcome and resolved good
  • faiver
    faiver 29 December 2020 15: 18
    +3
    It is disappointing that the price of a corvette is like that of Kasatonov ... sad
    1. Cyril G ...
      Cyril G ... 1 January 2021 18: 00
      0
      Due to the installation of a crookedly designed and fundamentally non-working Zaslon radar.
  • Alien From
    Alien From 29 December 2020 15: 55
    +3
    Seven feet under the keel! We really, really need fresh pennants !!!))))
  • seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 29 December 2020 16: 16
    +3
    Remained "Grayvoron !!!
  • Gippo
    Gippo 1 January 2021 23: 01
    -1
    Cheers, comrades!
    Is this the same "Thundering" who failed the shooting at the GI?
    https://topwar.ru/178009-dyrjavyj-zontik-flota.html