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Final divorce of LDNR and Ukraine - it's time for those who disagree to leave

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It's time for Donetsk and Lugansk to speed up the process of parting with Ukraine. It doesn't hurt to talk about the Minsk agreements.


Eternal Minsk


Still - not to interfere. If nothing but conversations actually happens. Unless, of course, we do not count several exchanges of prisoners of war, a sluggish imitation of the withdrawal of troops and attempts to open new checkpoints, which clearly came at the wrong time. All these evolutions (and talk about them) can be continued for another seven years.

At the same time, the most significant points of the Minsk agreements - peace on the front line, broad autonomy for Donbass and Ukraine's fulfillment of social obligations - are being fulfilled only conditionally. At the front, they are shooting again, and with the use of mortars.

All autonomy fit into the senseless and incapacitated "Law on Special Status", and social obligations were limited to pensions for those who were verified on time.

The further course towards integration with Russia, the rejection of the Ukrainian language, the formation of an ideological apparatus and many other achievements do not contradict Minsk at all. And it was necessary to deal with all these matters back in 2014–2015.

Instead, as usual, they played with spillikins and created Potemkin villages - they walked in formation with patriotic songs on their lips, waved flags, built "socialism", etc. As a result, practically nothing was achieved neither in the economy, nor in the social sphere, nor in culture.

Worse, they were unable to create a coherent and ergonomic explanation of where and why the republics are going. An explanation available to every student and proletarian, and not fostered in classrooms specifically for other classrooms.

Now, it seems, they woke up. At least, they announced the creation of the doctrine of the Russian Donbass. What will come of this is not yet clear (optimism, alas, has long been exhausted). But at least we got under way. And that's already good.

Without Ukraine forever


Of course, it is not only the ideology that will be talked about on TV screens that is important and then safely forgotten, having released, for the sake of order, a couple of monographs and textbooks (and sawing a hefty jackpot for this program). It is important to remind people that they began to forget - why did they fight at all? About the values ​​of 2014 - the Russian language, adherence to Orthodoxy, the unacceptability of Western cultural Marxism, the values ​​of the traditional family, etc. Because in the trenches they died not for a well-fed life, but for something much more important.

Today, unfortunately, a completely different paradigm is heard - as if the Donbass had rebelled for a full belly and the shit of some particularly prosperous life. Well, there were those who fought for the belly. But they were in the minority.

People began to forget that everything that happens in the LPNR is the deliberate choice of the majority, who voted in the referendum “for” their way of life and “against” Ukraine.

They began to forget that even if the Minsk Agreements were ever fulfilled, Donbass would become part of Ukraine only formally - administratively and, partially, economically. But the return to Ukraine of the times of 2013 and, especially, close integration with today's Ukraine is nonsense.

And for those who want to live with Kiev in the same space-time, it is better to immediately pack their bags and move towards the demarcation line. Moreover, it is best to cross it once and for all.

With this vicious practice, when people live in Ukraine, and go to the republics only for their own selfish affairs, it is high time to end. You cannot serve two gods - either Euro-integration, BLM, Russophobia and LGBT, or the Russian world.

You will not be full of doctrine


At the same time, it is clear that internal contradictions cannot be resolved by ideology alone - it is also necessary to normalize the economic situation and raise the standard of living. And here the LDNR are faced with conceptual problems. Moreover, as in Crimea, first of all, due to the incompetence and inability for normal work (within the legal framework) of local officials.

On the one hand, today it is extremely difficult to find a more or less sane manager in order to head a structural unit, not to mention a ministry or city government. On the other hand, you can't spare fools and thieves on this matter? Moreover, when corruption and incompetence are prevalent, a normal person will not go to work in such a terrarium - they will still be eaten.

Unfortunately, to integrate into Russian reality, when the law somehow works, the government sometimes hears civil society, and the man in the street occasionally manages to punish the mighty of this world - not only officials, but also the population are not ready.

Everything that happens is more like an unshakable Ukrainian quagmire than developing republics. There is a problem with the payment of salaries to miners - they are paid with a delay of two or three, and sometimes even four months. It would seem that the relevant minister should already dry the crackers, the government should admonish the ferocious miners, and the mine administration in panic should fight off the prosecutors ...

But no. Miners calmly go to work. Only a few have contacted the prosecutor's office. And those, having received formal replies, immediately waved their hand and calmed down. The officials sit quietly in their places, and in the most important offices of the republics they simply pretend that nothing is happening.

And all because they got used to the situation since Ukrainian times. As a result, looking at this absurdity, you understand that ideology in the LPNR, no doubt, is needed. But maybe it would be worth starting with repression?

The Donbass (and Crimea) will take a long time to get rid of the Ukrainian heritage. And, unfortunately, local elites and ordinary people will not be able to master this process on their own - the inertia is too great. Especially in a situation where people freely travel to Ukraine and back. And in Donetsk and Lugansk Ukrainian propagandists openly roam.

There is no way to do without Russia - otherwise the "elites" will continue to fight for power, spending resources either on an internal struggle or on their own enrichment. And the townsfolk, who served in 2014 somewhere in Zhitomir or in the Crimea, will go to Mariupol for cheap household chemicals.

It will take a long time to drive out pernicious Ukrainian remnants and format - and estates, and public consciousness, and civil society and much, much more.

PS


Photo sent by a reader from Lugansk.

Heavy Ukrainian heritage: in the very center of the city, in the underpass for 15 years already, in dozens of places, the roof is leaking. Neither the population, nor the administration of the transition, nor the leadership of the city or republic, this disgrace, in the most crowded place of Lugansk, does not care.

Probably everyone is waiting for the "hand of Moscow" to reach out and fix everything?

And you say - doctrine!
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  1. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 December 2020 15: 07
    +3
    Bad of course. But it's better this way than with Ukraine. And then we'll see.
    1. Sofa batyr
      Sofa batyr 29 December 2020 15: 17
      +10
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      Bad of course. But it's better this way than with Ukraine


      Political scientist Sergei Kurginyan echoes you, assessing the situation in the LPNR:

      "Everything is going on as if modestly, but in fact here they stood in a kind of frenzied pressure simultaneously against the Americans and the natural Bandera forces, which mark the gradual fascisation of the West."


      In this regard, the political scientist noted that heroic people live in Donbass who were able to defend their freedom in front of pressure from Ukraine and the West. And that although the residents of Donbass have a hard time, the situation could be much worse.

      “I can say that living this way is bad, but it would be absolutely bad, terrible. If Bandera had occupied Donetsk, it would have been impossible to live, but also ashamed. So, glory to the heroic people of Donbass and glory to those who managed to defend these boundaries! "
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 29 December 2020 16: 20
        +5
        I agree. Glory to the heroic people of Donbass!
        1. Cuba
          Cuba 7 January 2021 12: 41
          +1
          While in Ukraine they will be jumping and yelling-heroes glory .... adequate people will scatter!
    2. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 29 December 2020 16: 34
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      And then it will be seen.

      Here it is! With the appearance of Medvedchuk on the stage, and the growing popularity of the PLO, as well as the activation of the opposition left-wing media, the conflict in Donbass begins to play in different colors, although the battles continue, now you need to wait for a counterstrike by the CIA and the State Department with the help of the clown Zelensky after their showdown in the Capitol. And what will it be, military or political, we will soon find out? But judging by some comments from the LPNR on opposition channels, people do not care whose power will be, as long as everything is over as soon as possible. And some are not at all against returning to Ukrainian power. Think what hostage syndrome is when the victim takes pity on the executioner!
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 29 December 2020 17: 56
        +1
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        With the appearance on the stage of Medvedchuk, and the gaining popularity of HLP

        those. expecting a vector change! It turns out that there can be democratic changes in a parliamentary way in Ukraine, which means democracy and the choice of the people of the ladies live. Don't you find it strange that in Ukraine the people decide their own destiny. But the question arises: is it possible in Russia?
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 29 December 2020 19: 11
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          those. expecting a vector change!

          I don't expect anything, not a conspiracy theorist. neither an astrologer, nor a clairvoyant. Just every day on YouTube I shove through information about Ukraine from Ukraine itself. OPSH in first place by approval, bypassed "Servants of the People" I watch OUR channels. ZIK, 112 Ukraine, including Medvedchuk's NEWSONE channel. They still have a lot of porridge in their heads, but their brains are definitely being cleared.
        2. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 29 December 2020 21: 20
          +2
          I would like to remind you that before “deciding their fate,” the people of Ukraine sold themselves. Remember the jumps and speeches of the Maidan, screams about lace panties, denial of common history, glorification of fascism, demolition of monuments. This is also - "the people decided their own destiny" ...
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets 29 December 2020 21: 27
            +5
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            I would like to remind you that before “deciding their fate,” the people of Ukraine sold themselves.

            By your logic, the Russian people, having ruined the USSR, did the same "sold themselves"?
            1. Andrei Nikolaevich
              Andrei Nikolaevich 29 December 2020 22: 24
              -2
              Is this a question from ZhmErinka?)
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 29 December 2020 22: 31
                +2
                Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                Is this a question from ZhmErinka?)

                Let me know from what premises did you make such a "profound" conclusion? Or you were simply kicked out at two hours and you are now trying to joke here?
          2. Mar.Tirah
            Mar.Tirah 30 December 2020 09: 59
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            I want to remind you

            I agree. But with only one caveat. Dozens, hundreds galloped. Millions were silent, and looked where they would take them. They were led out and they started talking, we don't want to live like this. By the way, the same thing is happening in Russia and not only in Russia.
        3. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 30 December 2020 08: 40
          +7
          Medvedchuk ?! HLE is gaining popularity? !!
          The author obviously forgot to turn the pages in the manual! laughing
          When this godfather began to emerge on the surface of Dill's policy, I was directly surprised. I started to ventilate the question and it turned out that OLE is not gaining popularity anywhere except on our channels!
      2. Kronos
        Kronos 29 December 2020 18: 08
        +8
        OPZHZ is the same regionals who threw and betrayed everyone many times, those who support them are the same fools as Zelensky's fans.
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 29 December 2020 19: 02
          +6
          Quote: Kronos
          PLHZ

          OPZZH is Medvedchuk, Putin's godfather. His youngest daughter Daria became the goddaughter of Vladimir Putin and Svetlana Medvedeva So think now how everything is twisted ????
      3. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 29 December 2020 18: 38
        -7
        "gaining popularity of HLE"
        This means that the forelock, in large quantities, are beginning to change their shoes. This is typical of this people. But dancing on the Maidan, in pans, will remain in the memory of the people forever.
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 29 December 2020 19: 23
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          This means that the forelock, in large quantities, are beginning to change their shoes.

          To my surprise, just massively began to defend our position with you on Ukraine. Some even in correspondence apologize that they could not preserve the memory of our ancestors and our common ideals. They write that they have not changed their principles since the times of the USSR, and all the trouble is from the organized nationalist minority from - for the ocean. I look at their personal pages, everyone speaks the purest Russian language to each other, listens to our music, follows life in Russia, but the awful MOVA should go on the air right away.
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 29 December 2020 21: 15
            -5
            This country and this people are already lost to us. More fortunately than unfortunately. The mistake of our government and our people is that we have played with the "fraternal peoples". Fortunately, the Maidan and all the next six years opened our eyes and gave us the opportunity, objectively, to see the attitude of the Ukrainian people towards the Russians. This attitude is exclusively consumer. Therefore, all further relations between the countries should be exclusively mutually beneficial. And regarding the brotherhood - to move away from this concept. The brotherhood is too expensive for our people and our budget. You can't serve two gods.
            1. Mar.Tirah
              Mar.Tirah 30 December 2020 09: 52
              0
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              This country and this people are already lost to us

              In the sense of lost ?.My relatives, brothers, sisters, cousins ​​are lost? One people, separated by borders by the will of traitors, do you think Yeltsin did everything right? You are mistaken. There will be reunification, not under this power, not now, but there will be. After all, they hope. That Russia will really raise its paws and say we agree with the division of the people, oblivion of the ancestors. And there it is not far to the division of Russia itself. The main thing is to break the indigenous peoples.
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 30 December 2020 10: 01
                -3
                Look, "Heart of a Dog" where a lady offers the professor to buy a magazine to help "starving children in Germany" and listen, carefully, the professor's answer.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 29 December 2020 22: 45
          +5
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          This means that the forelock, in large quantities, are beginning to change their shoes. This is typical of this people.

          Has it ever occurred to you that Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are one people? Let the people be divided, deceived by their governments, but one people. How do you and your ilk even think of pouring your nationalist slops here? After the Second World War, Stalin spoke of the Germans, "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain."
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 30 December 2020 00: 29
            -6
            Sorry, but you are talking like at a party meeting. I will ask one question about the "united people": Have you ever heard that the Americans, the British, the French called each other - "fraternal peoples4"? Personally, I have not heard. But these peoples have a common historical roots, culture, and one common American people was formed. Second question: Have you ever heard that there were feuds or military conflicts between these peoples? Personally, I have not heard.
            And all because their relationship is based on common sense and mutual benefit - political or economic. Everything is simple and straightforward. I have nothing against the Ukrainian people. But our relationship with this people must be mutually beneficial and respectful. And nothing else. And let them dance in pans, fight each other, rewrite history - this is their own business. They are an independent state. My attitude towards this people and towards this state will be similar. That's all. No hysterics and no sighs and sighs.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 30 December 2020 01: 05
              -1
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              Have you ever heard that the Americans, the British, the French called each other - "fraternal peoples4"? Personally, I have not heard. But these peoples have common historical roots ...

              We with the Germans and the Balts have the same common historical roots, so what? We are not fraternal peoples with them.
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              Second question: Have you ever heard that there were feuds or military conflicts between these peoples?

              Between the British, French and Americans? Or do you mean the American people? And in the first and second cases there were wars. After the war between the North and the South, the Americans did not cease to be one people.
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              And all because their relationship is based on common sense and mutual benefit - political or economic. Everything is simple and straightforward. I have nothing to do with the Ukrainian people. But our relationship with this people must be mutually beneficial and respectful. And nothing else.

              After the collapse of the USSR, just by those "people" who are in power today, both with us and with them, the common economic component collapsed. In your opinion, this is a good reason for me to consider my aunt living in Ukraine as a stranger? Or your cousins? In your opinion, I have to pour slop on the Ukrainians to please the creatures who fan this conflict? Today they pour slop on Ukrainians and Belarusians, and tomorrow on whom? On the Tatars with the Circassians? Tomorrow, the same geeks who destroyed the USSR, in order to fill their pockets, will be profitable to destroy Russia, then why would Kalmyks have to be considered enemies?
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              I have nothing to do with the Ukrainian people

              Not noticeable.
              When will you already understand that the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian government are different things, weakly connected to each other, just like the Russian people and the Russian government.
              Our oligarchy and the Ukrainian oligarchy have never had interethnic strife, and never will. As they traded among themselves, they trade, and we, ordinary people, speak the same language, culture is a common religion, and that means completely alien peoples, strangely you reason. I live in the Kuban, we have fewer differences with them than, say, with Siberians. To listen to you, it will come to the point that in Siberia there are not such Russians as in the Kuban, and if there is no common economic space, then we are not one people at all. So you need to understand?
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 30 December 2020 09: 04
                -5
                I understand your idea. You speak - beautifully, temperamentally, but not too actual. Siberia you dragged in vain. Don't juggle. My thought is simple, “fraternal” peoples, these are peoples inhabiting ours, a much national country. The rest are neighbors and independent states. And nothing else.
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 1 January 2021 20: 50
              +1
              Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
              Have you ever heard that there were feuds or military conflicts between these peoples?

              well you give! But what about the imperial wars in the 17th, 18th, 19th centuries, when England was at war with the colonists, France, Mexico, and they were with each other ??? Have you watched films about Indians as a child?
          2. Orca
            Orca 24 January 2021 16: 47
            0
            Quote: aleksejkabanets

            Has it ever occurred to you that Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are one people? Let the people be divided, deceived by their governments, but one people ...

            Didn't it occur to you, sir-comrade, that even the people, deceived, but poisoned by Bandera nationalism, have nothing in common with either the Russian (Russian) people or the Belarusian? I personally do not want to have anything to do with this folk.
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 24 January 2021 17: 13
              0
              Quote: Orca
              Didn't it occur to you, sir-comrade, that even the people, deceived, but poisoned by Bandera nationalism, have nothing in common with either the Russian (Russian) people or the Belarusian? I personally do not want to have anything to do with this folk.

              You know, IV Stalin once said: "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain." I think that the Germans brought us much more trouble in the Second World War than the Ukrainians, but Stalin had the mind and spirit to look at things sensibly, and you?
    3. Yegor Makhov
      29 December 2020 19: 20
      +1
      Anything is better than with the fascists
  2. Kronos
    Kronos 29 December 2020 15: 24
    +9
    Where did the author get the nonsense that they stood up against - adherence to Orthodoxy, the unacceptability of Western cultural Marxism, the values ​​of the traditional family
  3. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 29 December 2020 15: 42
    +1
    “As a result, looking at this absurdity, you understand that ideology in the LPNR is undoubtedly needed. But maybe it would be worth starting with repression?”
    The trouble is that ideology is also needed in Russia. And by all means start with repression.
    1. Serpet
      Serpet 29 December 2020 16: 06
      +20
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      The trouble is that ideology is also needed in Russia. And start by all means with repression

      In Russia, one must start not with repression, but with executions and confiscations. But, after 93, the legislation became, how to put it, not entirely pro-Russian. It is not always aimed at protecting state interests.
    2. Avior
      Avior 29 December 2020 16: 35
      +3
      Are you really ready to go under reprisals? Or which of your loved ones should you give?
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 29 December 2020 16: 49
        0
        What is called "Stalin's repressions" was more than humane, not to mention the fact that much fewer people suffered from those "repressions" than from the current ones. So you don't have to clap your eyes. Otherwise you won't see the horizon laughing
        1. Avior
          Avior 29 December 2020 17: 02
          0
          You are not writing repressions for those years, you are about the current repressions, are you personally ready to suffer because of them? Or that someone close to you should be hurt? I would like to understand supporters of repression
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 29 December 2020 18: 03
          +2
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          not to mention the fact that much fewer people suffered from those "repressions" than from the current ones. T

          Did the innocent suffer? - Suffer. The wood is chopped and the chips fly. One good thing is that those who repressed in the 20s were shot in the 30s.
          Therefore, before doing repressions, I would like to know in which camp you are, although this is not an indulgence - "given the social danger of the class element and counter-revolutionary activities, apply the highest measure of social justice to shoot"
          It sounds pretentious, but this wording can be rotated as you want.
      2. major147
        major147 29 December 2020 18: 39
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        Are you really ready to go under reprisals? Or which of your loved ones should you give?

        For some reason he is sure that "this" will not touch him ...
    3. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 29 December 2020 16: 57
      +3
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      “As a result, looking at this absurdity, you understand that ideology in the LPNR is undoubtedly needed. But maybe it would be worth starting with repression?”

      Without ideology, it will not be possible to justify the need for repression.
      And without ideological justification, any repression will be perceived as absurdity.
    4. Scharnhorst
      Scharnhorst 29 December 2020 17: 09
      -1
      Why with repression - Ordnung Huber Alles!
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 29 December 2020 17: 57
      +2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      And by all means start with repression.

      Clarify who to start with
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 29 December 2020 17: 58
        -4
        From traitors and corrupt officials
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 29 December 2020 18: 17
          +2
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          From traitors and corrupt officials

          All over the place, I support, but ...
          It is necessary to decide who falls under this definition: Medvedev with vineyards in Italy, Soloviev with dachas in the same place, Naryshkin with a residence permit in the Czech Republic, American citizens Tretyak and Rodnina and others. Who are they?
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 29 December 2020 18: 21
            -8
            Do not worry. The competent authorities have a "daddy" for each of them, there is simply no command. This is the trouble
            1. The eye of the crying
              The eye of the crying 29 December 2020 21: 55
              +4
              Quote: Stroibat stock
              The competent authorities have a "daddy" for each of them, there is simply no command. This is the trouble


              I heard this a lot in the 90s.
            2. onstar9
              onstar9 30 December 2020 04: 15
              +7
              Quote: Stroibat stock
              Do not worry. The competent authorities have a "daddy" for each of them, there is simply no command. This is the trouble

              "Competent authorities" in the same place have summer cottages and villas .... Show me at least one "poor" from the competent authorities ...
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  5. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 29 December 2020 15: 54
    +4
    and the author of the article is so ... that he does not understand that without Moscow they are nowhere, that everything depends on the Kremlin
  6. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 29 December 2020 15: 56
    +6
    who voted in the referendum "for" their lifestyle

    Maybe I forgot something, but in my opinion at the referendum they voted for joining Russia.
    and format - and estates, ......

    Is there a class society? There are a lot of obvious nonsense in the article, some kind of propaganda "not of the best quality."
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 29 December 2020 18: 05
      +1
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      in a referendum, they voted to join Russia.

      No, at Putin's insistence this one was removed.
  7. Alien From
    Alien From 29 December 2020 16: 08
    -3
    As long as there are old elites in Donbass, the process will not budge ...
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 29 December 2020 18: 09
      +1
      Quote: Alien From
      As long as there are old elites in Donbass, the process will not budge ...

      As long as there are old "elites" in Russia, the process will not budge ....
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 29 December 2020 18: 28
        -1
        Remember EBN!
        1. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 29 December 2020 18: 36
          +5
          Quote: Alien From
          Remember EBN!

          Have the "elites" changed a lot? Surprise me! Do not remind me who was carrying Sobchak's suitcase there?
          1. Alien From
            Alien From 29 December 2020 19: 03
            -3
            And is it important?
            1. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 29 December 2020 19: 15
              +1
              Quote: Alien From
              And is it important?

              And what do you think? In light of this:
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              As long as there are old "elites" in Russia, the process will not budge ....

              Have something to argue?
              1. Alien From
                Alien From 29 December 2020 19: 25
                -4
                Jewish answer, you get it all!
                1. aleksejkabanets
                  aleksejkabanets 29 December 2020 19: 34
                  +6
                  Quote: Alien From
                  Jewish answer, you get it all!

                  To be honest, I was hoping to make you think a little (just a little). If the "elites" ruined their state (I'm talking about the USSR) in order to fill their own pockets with impunity, what is the probability that they will work for the good of Russia, to the detriment of their own pockets?
                  1. Alien From
                    Alien From 29 December 2020 21: 04
                    -4
                    It's all everyday, .......
  8. Gato
    Gato 29 December 2020 16: 12
    +7
    We just neighing over the Banderlog plan "B". Does the Kremlin have any sane plan for the LPNR? Personally, I still observe a tendency towards freezing according to the Abkhazian scenario with uncertain prospects.
    Is it really better with sanctions, but without Donbass, than with Donbass and the same sanctions?
    1. apro
      apro 29 December 2020 16: 40
      +2
      Quote: Gato
      Does the Kremlin have any sane plan for the LPNR?

      And here in the Kremlin miracles of multi-vector nature are shown .... the Kremlin does not need peace either ... the creation of tension solves a lot of problems .. you can press. And you can not press and the result will be in any case. Even a simple distraction of attention from other problems.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 29 December 2020 18: 07
      +3
      Quote: Gato
      Is it really better with sanctions, but without Donbass, than with Donbass and the same sanctions?

      Sanctions with Donbass will be strikingly different from sanctions without Donbass. And the highlight is that in the first case, the sanctions will mean the confiscation of our elite's money there.
      1. Gato
        Gato 29 December 2020 19: 32
        0
        confiscation of money our elite there

        Come on, after Crimea a lot of money was confiscated?
    3. Gardener91
      Gardener91 29 December 2020 22: 25
      +1
      Quote: Gato
      We just neighing over the Banderlog plan B

      Initially, the Banderlog until December 2013 had a plan "A" to secede from Ukraine by part of its western regions. But something went wrong and they captured almost all of Ukraine.
    4. onstar9
      onstar9 30 December 2020 04: 26
      +7
      Quote: Gato
      Is it really better with sanctions, but without Donbass, than with Donbass and the same sanctions?

      You do not at all understand the driving force of Russia's policy, or rather Putin's. Putin does not need Donbass. He needs to remove or reduce the sanctions for Russia. He is working on this, not for the "happiness" of the Donbass people. Putin is fighting by all overt and covert means to get out of their isolation. He also wants to be in the center of world leaders, to move there, to sit there with them, solving international affairs. The annexation of Donbass will completely "bury" all these efforts .. Or do you think that "day and night" thinking what to say to the Russian people the next day, together with Peskov, is Putin's main hobby? Oh no ... Caring for the people is in tenth place there ...
  9. Undecim
    Undecim 29 December 2020 16: 32
    +12
    Again, the author dragged on the bagpipes that Donbass got the wrong population, which does not allow him to rush into the bright future of independence. And all this delirium is placed in the "Analytics" section.
  10. t-12
    t-12 29 December 2020 16: 34
    +10
    rejection of the Ukrainian language, the formation of an ideological apparatus

    More pressing problems in the DPR and LPR - no? Or did the author of the article find something wrong with the Ukrainian language? Or would he like to adopt the "doctrine" of the Ukrainian government, preoccupied with ideology and language?
  11. cniza
    cniza 29 December 2020 16: 44
    -1
    It will take a long time to drive out pernicious Ukrainian remnants and format - and estates, and public consciousness, and civil society and much, much more.


    A person quickly gets used to good things ...
  12. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 29 December 2020 16: 49
    -3
    Probably everything will depend on the situation and the Kremlin's response, Kiev will not go to escalation with its capabilities, and if it does, this situation will be resolved quickly, if the decision is made in the Kremlin. Foreign countries will no longer help them, it was already done in 14-15 years.
    1. Scharnhorst
      Scharnhorst 29 December 2020 17: 38
      +1
      The Kremlin's decision, which you mean, will force the West in the broadest sense of the word to join forces in confronting Russia.
      1. Vadim Ananyin
        Vadim Ananyin 21 January 2021 07: 03
        -2
        At the moment, the reaction of the West was shown by Karabakh, no one wants to solve their problems for Kiev. But economically, who needs such costs? Well, we sold them (Kiev) hardware used, sent controllers-teachers, in Georgia, by the way, they were also in 2008. And what is the result? This is not their method.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 29 December 2020 18: 10
      +5
      Quote: Vadim Ananyin
      Foreign countries will no longer help them, it was already done in 14-15 years.

      Why such a conclusion? Should I remind you that it was after Putin's meeting with the Accountant that the sudden death of the Russian Spring came and the troops left
      Mariupol. And who got off?
      1. Vadim Ananyin
        Vadim Ananyin 21 January 2021 07: 21
        -1
        I almost agree, they then persuaded GDP to influence the situation in eastern Ukraine at the request of Kiev, the Minsk agreements were again imposed. But in essence, West Europe did not need all these problems from the very beginning, that is not what they wanted. And then they just got tired of everything. Perhaps there was no need to stop the situation in eastern Ukraine at that time. Europe will not strain without a margin, they have the wrong interests.
  13. samarin1969
    samarin1969 29 December 2020 16: 49
    +4
    Yegor Makhov's "cycle" is frankly alarming. The author intensively draws for the citizens of the Russian Federation the image of the gangster-corruption Donbass. What for? What does he want to convince? What does he want to justify by this?
    There were quite ideological Mozgovoy "with comrades". There was Bolotov, there were recognizable faces of the first Donetsk people's authorities. And the fact that the mythical "shadows" so selectively walked over the leaders of the people's republics is not a question for Kiev, and, moreover, not for Pushilin.
    It is a pity that VO ran out of other authors on Donbass. There are probably very good reasons for this.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 29 December 2020 18: 12
      +6
      Quote: samarin1969
      The author intensively draws for the citizens of the Russian Federation the image of the gangster-corruption Donbass.

      Words cannot be thrown out of the song.
      Quote: samarin1969
      There were quite ideological Mozgovoy "and his comrades." There was Bolotov, there were recognizable faces of the first Donetsk people's authorities

      And for some reason they were eliminated
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 30 December 2020 08: 25
        +3
        And for some reason they were eliminated

        In their area of ​​responsibility, they swung at the sacred - at the domestic and Sumerian oligarchs.
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 31 December 2020 04: 48
      0
      “Donetsk people's authorities” “The people have no power, not a single gram, and never will! Fairy tales for children!
  14. Scharnhorst
    Scharnhorst 29 December 2020 17: 34
    +4
    And what are the parties in Donbass with a fundamental ideology tested! A dumb stage ... Party-one-day-one-tree, created under the slogan, under the local prince, in the end, "party of beer lovers"! Donbass is held hostage not only by Ukraine, but also by Russia. And until the local population, society, leadership are not firmly determined with priorities, goals, ideals (maybe ideology), there will be no shifts for the better. Because they pull in different directions like a swan, cancer and pike. Someone has a dream to get drunk from a belly (Mommy from the Republic of ShKID), someone has justice for everyone (Shura Balaganov from a golden calf), someone has a man for every woman (LDPR). I give the priority idea for free: the LPR and DPR, within the framework of the present territories, are united into one republic. In a real perspective, it is not realistic to return to the administrative boundaries of the former Ukrainian regions either from Ukraine or from the LPNR. When the designated subject takes place, it will gain more weight in the eyes of Ukraine and in the eyes of Russia. There will be no unification, and will remain a gray area and a bargaining chip.
  15. Kushka
    Kushka 30 December 2020 00: 05
    +4
    Quote: Scharnhorst
    And what are the parties in Donbass with a fundamental ideology tested! A dumb scene ... Party-one-day-one-tree, created under the slogan, under the local prince, in the end "party of beer lovers"[i] [/ i]!

    The author is verbatim and clever with answers to
    questions that he himself came up with, again on
    empty space. "Why did the natives eat Cook?" (FROM)
    The answer is simple, as is known as the corner of a barn.
    Not a single state on the territory of the former USSR
    failed to build a successful project, including Russia.
    I explain:
    a) Russia cannot do what the USSR could.
    b) Ukraine cannot do what Russia can.
    c) Lao PDR cannot even do what Ukraine can.
    Because:
    a) What Rostropovich can do, Omsk Philharmonic Society cannot.
    b) What the Omsk Philharmonic Society can do, the "brigadier" of the funeral
    Orchestra of Golopupyansk with its "performers"
    This is not good, this is not bad. This is his normal attainable level.
    Well, you will not, in your right mind, demand from him the same as from
    The Bolshoi Theater Violin Ensemble! This is absurd!
    And what does ideology have to do with it?
    In North Korea, ideology is in complete order, but there is nothing to eat.
    And in Monaco to eat and everything else is in order.
    And what is the conclusion?
  16. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 30 December 2020 08: 22
    0
    the unacceptability of Western cultural Marxism,

    And what is it that the author suddenly invented? Is there "cultural Marxism" somewhere?
  17. Ilya Aksyonov
    Ilya Aksyonov 31 December 2020 14: 43
    -3
    Having received Russian citizenship, Ukrainians automatically turn Ukraine into Russia upon the fact of their stay in Ukraine.
    Now in Donbass half a million have become citizens of Russia! And by the end of this year, almost the entire Donbass will become Russian!
    That's it!
    The war is over!
  18. fliger85
    fliger85 1 January 2021 21: 55
    0
    Donetsk has nothing to do with Usrain.
  19. Rudkovsky
    Rudkovsky 2 January 2021 20: 54
    +1
    == And all because they got used to the situation since Ukrainian times. As a result, looking at this absurdity, you understand that ideology in the LPNR is undoubtedly needed. But maybe it would be worth starting with repression? ==

    There are a lot of beeches written, but you can cut it down - the population is not that, you have to beat your friends, so that strangers would be afraid.
    Children's horror stories about LGBT-Bendera people devouring Russian babies and dreaming of forbidding them to speak Russian were diligently repeated, and the courageous Russian Donbass who stopped this infection. Only this is already perceived with a smile, for a farce. Such is the informational inflation. What looked fresh in 2015 doesn't look anymore in 2020. We need to invent something new.

    Yes, that's just the trouble, for 5 years of the Russian world, the Donbass has turned into ruins and is needed only by dealers on both sides, as a gray area for muddy. The population in this system is superfluous and it is promoted to take a passport to your taste and dump it. These are the people's republics.
  20. hound
    hound 4 January 2021 22: 39
    0
    People who did not agree with the Maidan created republics. Then everything rolled downhill - "the revolution is conceived by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and inveterate scoundrels are using its fruits." Six years have passed, except for Russian passports, there is nothing to offer the residents of Donbass - this is not Crimea, Sevastopol is not there, it is inexpedient to introduce troops. In my Belarus, a little bit different thing happened - people tried to fuck off once again. And the people, always so patient, could not bear it. But, despite all the statements of the AHL for 2019 and the first half of 2020, most (well, maybe not the largest, but the most talkative) Russians took the discontent of the Belarusians extremely negatively. Like a new Maidan. Although no one shouted "Moskolyak on Gilyak", there were a lot of people on the Russian Net, including here, who advised to "push with tanks." Whom? People who wanted fair elections?
    When I congratulated my friends and relatives on NG, we naturally discussed the situation in the country. And almost the general opinion: "Russia has betrayed." She put her interests, and not really hiding them, above the interests of the Belarusians. "Let's bring our own people to power," "make them a part of Russia," "Father, you need to shoot, and so on."
    I have never made a difference between Belarus and Russia, I live in Russia, for me the Motherland was one. Now there is a difference.
    What the OMON is doing is beyond the bounds. This is not a response to violence - violence from the population was not observed most of the time (this is a reservation in case they remember the victims of the riot police). I am no longer a pioneer, I do not need barricades, I want to live in a country where laws work. In which a person will not be killed because he came out against the OMON system and simply raised his hands. In which you will not be f *** ed because you have a different opinion.
    Until August, the "Zmagars" were mostly regarded as blessed. Now "Bel-Chirvona-Beli" is a symbol of protest. Every fourth person died in Belarus, so there is no family left that has not been touched by the war in one way or another. But they are raising this flag not as a symbol of *** s who are trying to build the Third Reich together with Hitler, but as a symbol of protest against *** s who act by fascist methods against their people.
    But you continue to love the AHL. And then state with bitterness - "Russia has two allies, the Amia and the Navy."
    1. Let's go to the world
      Let's go to the world 5 January 2021 01: 07
      0
      Alas, any most righteous protest under the wrong flag nullifies justice. you can understand why the Ukrainians rebelled against the Poles and even the Communists in the 30s. But as soon as they put on the flag-collar of the German owners, they are simply enemies for the state, for a normal, albeit not ideal, life. They are part of the anti-human system. If the control question for Svidomit is: Whose Crimea? "Then it is important for me what position the leaders (sponsors) of the protest take in relation to the bombing of Yugoslavia - a war crime that has no justification. and Islamist terrorists Zmagar pimps are associated with the anti-human hegemonic system, which today devours the planet like the third (and second) Reich, Napoleonic empire, Swedish expansion, Catholic crusaders, etc. They were also supported by people unfairly offended by someone in Russia and not only, but in fact became part of the expansion.And no matter how Lukashenka is so-and-so (and he has recently become simply finished), no matter how brutal the OMON is not on business, the Belarusian protesters (and it is already not clear why) are working on the enemy from the west. If they distance themselves from the German-Polish flag and the globalist ideology that it carries, I would support them all th soul. At one time, Navalny was likable in his own way. I did not know his biography, but the film "He's not Dimon for you" was watched by the whole family several times. Now this is a lie from Vlasov, a foreign six, like everyone who more or less actively supports him
      1. hound
        hound 14 February 2021 01: 46
        0
        More than a month has passed, but still.
        "Alas, any most righteous protest under the wrong flag" - it is worth recalling that the state flag of the Russian Federation was used in the war by the Russians who fought on the side of Germany (I'm not talking about a specific nationality, but about people who identified themselves as "Russians ")? It's not about the flag. "Fascist" BCHB is prohibited not because it was fascist - that would be correct and logical. But first, it was the state flag of the republic, under which the "president." took the oath. And secondly, the Great Patriotic War ended long ago. But they realized about the flag just now. And now it is banned not because it was used by Nazi accomplices. But because he became a symbol of resistance to the out of his mind paranoid. Unfortunately, presidents and "presidents" do not undergo obligatory examination by independent psychiatrists, otherwise we would have had amazing news.
  21. Let's go to the world
    Let's go to the world 5 January 2021 00: 53
    0
    Alas, the disgusting post-Soviet reality. Bayurocrats and bandyuk, who began their ascent in the 80s, still rule ... I had to work in the Crimea. The minister of culture of the peninsula has been appointed the mayor of Yalta, who had served time for theft, and was pulled out by his sidekick Aksenov. In Kerch, a number of museum institutions are handed over to Osadchy, a bandit mayor, on whom there is nowhere to put brands. In 2014, he tore down the flag and trampled on the raised Russian flag. merging the Russian movement Tsekov, who also prevented the raising of the Russian flag on the peninsula, is now in the Federation Council. I like what Putin is doing in general, but he doesn't see it? Or is it a "balance of interests" game? So we have already balanced ourselves up to the Maidans and the swamps ... Why not include normal people in this balance, despite the fact that they are there and not sparing their health, not taking a penny, professionally and selflessly work in all directions, despite sticks in the wheels
  22. Alexander P
    Alexander P 6 January 2021 16: 03
    0
    After the Gorbachev-Yelninskiy fascistization of the USSR, the conversation is empty. The dead fish is rotten, the head is gone ...
  23. Amadeus Ivanov
    Amadeus Ivanov 7 January 2021 14: 00
    0
    In many ways, the author of the article is right. Especially in terms of education, or rather the re-education of people. After all, they have their own mentality, with a bias towards Ukraine. And it will not be easy to accustom people to Russian standards. The example with Crimea is an example of this ...
  24. O-2-2
    O-2-2 7 January 2021 21: 48
    0
    I am not reading the first article, and more and more people get the opinion that the author is not a sober former political instructor, and a bad political instructor.
  25. Alexeitch
    Alexeitch 15 January 2021 17: 57
    0
    I've been writing to everyone for a long time that ideology is the core. on which everything is wound! And we have developed an innovative project based on modern quantum physics, ideology. Give the address where to send
  26. Frank Muller
    Frank Muller 24 January 2021 18: 38
    0
    There is a saying: Don't say: "Gop!" Until you jump over. At first glance, everything goes to the fact that the LPR, having united, are leaving for Russia. Perhaps it would have happened, but many people forget that the current Russian Federation is not the USSR. Now it is a state in which power is concentrated in the hands of the oligarchy, whose slogan is "For the Tsar, for the Motherland, for the Faith!" has its own interpretation: the king is the prosperity of business (at any cost!), the homeland is a bank, faith is an account in this bank. The same is true in Ukraine. And the business of these dealers is so intertwined that it has its own interests in both (albeit politically unfriendly) states. The LDNR is only of political interest to the current Russian authorities, like a mine on the side of Ukraine. Having exploded in 2014, Donbass decisively facilitated the almost bloodless annexation of Crimea, and the subsequent hostilities exhausted not only the Ukrainian army, but also the financial condition of Nezalezhnaya. Unprofitable mines of Donbass, coal from which (through many intermediaries earning money in this matter) is sent to Ukraine, the economy of the LPR (in fact, on it), which is fundamentally disrupted by the war; a million-strong army of mendicant pensioners, the need for substantial financial investments, etc. - hardly - can they be considered as joyful grounds for the annexation of the Donetsk republics to the Russian Federation, which already has a lot of unresolved problems. And how can we admit warring entities that territorially occupy a smaller part of their former area, moreover, with a disturbed and uncertain, because of this, system of water and energy supply? And the political consequences of such a possible "reunification" are out of the question - the "Crimean Spring" of 2014 still haunts Russia. One well-known political scientist on the further development of the political scenario with the LDNR expressed something like this: “Donbass for the Russian Federation and Ukraine has turned into a kind of Gordian knot. Tying turned out to be easier than doing the opposite. And it seems that none of the modern politicians can handle it. It remains to wait for the coming of Alexander the Great. "