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It is reported about the program for testing weapons of the UAV "Okhotnik" for the next year

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The Russian-made S-70 “Okhotnik” heavy attack drone will undergo a series of tests.


About this agency RIA News told a source in the aircraft industry.

The source reported on the program for testing weapons of the UAV "Okhotnik" for the next year. In the second half of 2021, he will conduct the first shooting at aerial targets. For this purpose, air-to-air missiles located inside the fuselage will be used, which were previously tested on promising fifth-generation Su-57 fighters.

The program also assumes that before the missile launches, drop tests of missile weapons will be carried out. In addition, test launches of air-to-surface missiles against ground targets are planned.

The interlocutor of the news agency believes that the "Okhotnik" is a full-fledged multifunctional unmanned vehicle that can be used as a long-range interceptor fighter.

In August, the Deputy Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Lieutenant General Sergei Dronov, in an interview with the newspaper "A red star" stated that next year, multi-purpose attack drones capable of using high-precision ammunition will enter service with our army.

The length of the 20-ton Hunter UAV is 14 meters. And the wingspan is 19 meters. It is capable of traveling at a maximum speed of 1000 km / h.
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  1. Avrora17
    Avrora17 27 December 2020 09: 49
    +14
    No matter how they chafed this development this way and that, but still there is something tricky, the performance of which is not particularly disclosed .. Good luck in the tests!
    Su-57 went into series and it's all a chain of one link.
    1. nnm
      nnm 27 December 2020 09: 58
      +13
      I think there is no point in finding fault here. We proceed from our financial, technological capabilities, etc.
      While in the world, in principle, there is an understanding of the place of UAVs on a promising battlefield, we are creating a reserve for options for further development. We are trying to get as close as possible to advanced developments, create a reserve for the next generations, develop theory and practice of application.
      There is absolutely no need to rush on such a question, but there is definitely no time to stay too long.
      But all the same, in addition to purely production, economic and other issues, it is necessary, taking into account the assessment of the prospects, to understand not only tactics, but also the strategy from application. Their place in the Aerospace Forces / Armed Forces, the forecast for the development of air defense systems, the forecast for manned aircraft, the strategy of correlating strikes with promising other complexes and UAVs, the bias towards strike strategists or reconnaissance, the place in the network-centric interaction of all types and genera, etc.
      I think the issue of determining the place and role of UAVs for the future is a more serious, deep and difficult issue than just an assessment of their use in the Armenian-Azerbaijani war, which became a catalyst for the development of this topic.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 27 December 2020 10: 05
        +9
        Great news good ! We are waiting for the test results. It is especially interesting how he will work on air targets. I hope Everything will be fine and the Hunter will finally go into production.
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 27 December 2020 10: 35
          -8
          Quote: Hunter 2
          The Hunter will finally enter the series.

          Well, yes, in 3-4 years, if at all.
          1. Grits
            Grits 27 December 2020 12: 00
            0
            Quote: Bez 310
            Well, yes, in 3-4 years, if at all.

            He will definitely go - is it in vain that so much money and time have been invested in it? But the fact that it will last for many more years is for sure.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 13: 13
              -12%
              Quote: Gritsa
              He will definitely go - is it in vain that so much money and time have been invested in it?

              Yes, in vain. In the best case, the S-70 developments will be used in other UAVs. By itself, this product is useless, no one can explain why it is and how it will work. At a price comparable to a 4-5 generation fighter.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 27 December 2020 16: 56
                +1
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                Quote: Gritsa
                He will definitely go - is it in vain that so much money and time have been invested in it?

                Yes, in vain. In the best case, the S-70 developments will be used in other UAVs. By itself, this product is useless, no one can explain why it is and how it will work. At a price comparable to a 4-5 generation fighter.

                all the same, the product is necessary, at least in order to work out technological and design solutions, to obtain the necessary experience, without which it is impossible to create a full-fledged apparatus.
                The American program to create a combat UAV Northrop Grumman X-47B was curtailed, but did not end with anything. From it poured at least a program to create a deck-mounted drone tanker.
                1. Amin_vivec
                  Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 18: 08
                  -1
                  Boeing practically launched the Loyal Wingman and began testing it - on 21.12.20/XNUMX/XNUMX there was an article here on VO.
                  This is also an attack slave drone, only in a slightly lighter class.
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 19: 19
                    -1
                    The Loyal Wingman has been tested by the US Air Force and Kratos for a couple of years. There are 2 flying variants UTAP-22 and XQ-58A. They are on the LCASD (Low Cost Attritable Strike Demonstrator) program should fit into $ 4 million per copy.


                    Loyal Wingman prototyping contracts between the US Air Force and Boeing, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Kratos Unmanned Aerial Systems and Northrop Grumman Systems were awarded in July 2020, due in 2023.

                    In addition to these 4 companies, this contract is claimed by:

                    • AeroVironment Inc., Simi Valley, California
                    • Autodyne LLC, Boston, Massachusetts
                    • BAE System Controls Inc., Arlington, Virginia
                    • Blue Force Technologies Inc., Morrisville, North Carolina
                    • Fregata System Inc., St. Louis, Missouri
                    • Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, Fort Worth, Texas
                    • NextGen Aeronautics Inc., Torrance, California
                    • Sierra Technical Services, Tehachapi, California
                    • Wichita State University, Wichita, Kansas
                    1. Amin_vivec
                      Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 19: 48
                      0
                      The question is in the concept, they create the Loyal Wingman as a light slave drone, our C-70 is 3 times more lifting by the idea, i.e. instead of one of ours for a similar purpose, you need 3 light UAVs, the question is in the price. The declared price and the final one may differ, taking into account the fact that a light car must also have a sufficiently powerful and high-speed engine. At the same time, the S-70 uses an out-and-out Su-35 engine.
                      By the way, as practice shows, our planes are sometimes several times cheaper than those of the US with similar parameters, let's hope that this will continue.
                      1. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 20: 14
                        -4
                        Kratos UAVs use a Microturbo TRI 60 with a price tag of $ 52,000 - $ 83,000.
                        On the "large" UAVs Pratt & Whitney Canada PW500, General Electric F404, Rolls-Royce AE 3007, all these are old, tested, mass engines. Their price is in the region of $ 3,5 million.
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 19: 38
                  -4
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  all the same, the product is necessary, at least in order to work out technological and design solutions, to obtain the necessary experience, without which it is impossible to create a full-fledged apparatus.

                  Pancake. And you can't think why everyone abandoned the X-47B? And immediately gain experience and technologies on the necessary projects?
                  The same dry had a Probe project on AI-222-25 engines. To make on the basis of it 1-2 motor, cheap family of multipurpose UAVs, that's what you need.
                  And guess what? The Turks launched 2 projects of jet UAVs on these engines, Mius and Goksungur.
              2. AlexG83
                AlexG83 27 December 2020 17: 15
                +3
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                Yes, in vain. In the best case, the S-70 developments will be used in other UAVs. By itself, this product is useless, no one can explain why it is and how it will work. At a price comparable to a 4-5 generation fighter.

                Why did the military then approve the project after the prototype was made? Apparently they understand better what they need, or not?
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 19: 10
                  -9
                  Quote: AlexG83
                  Apparently they understand better what they need, or not?

                  No. Old-school decision makers don't understand anything about modern technology.
                  1. El Chuvachino
                    El Chuvachino 27 December 2020 22: 59
                    0
                    You dropped
                    1. Aerodrome
                      Aerodrome 28 December 2020 03: 29
                      0
                      Quote: El Chuvachino
                      You dropped

                      not ... this is your ... https: //natribu.org/
            2. Bez 310
              Bez 310 27 December 2020 13: 53
              -1
              Quote: Gritsa
              He will definitely go - is it in vain that so much money and time have been invested in it?

              In its current form, most likely it will not work.
              I think this is just a platform for practicing
              various technologies.
              While engineers are working in their profile, "the best
              the minds of "aviation are frantically thinking wherever
              attach this product that does not fit
              into the tactics of using aviation, and throwing
              pomegranates for "barmaley" - too expensive. Although,
              this never stopped our military leaders,
              Suffice it to recall the use of "strategists" in Syria.
              In general, now it is a very expensive toy, and while it
              will test and bring to mind, some of our
              Pertners will go even further in this area.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 14: 03
                -5
                Quote: Bez 310
                some of our
                Pertners will go even further in this area.


                It looks like the "leadership" will wake up when thousands of Loyal Wingman and "cheap" jet drummers come along. The Turks also joined the USA, Australia and Britain. All of them have these projects.
                1. Bez 310
                  Bez 310 27 December 2020 14: 19
                  -5
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  The "leadership" will wake up when thousands of Loyal Wingman and "cheap" jet drummers arrive.

                  This "management" has already woken up, or "woke up":
                  "December 7, 2020, AviaStat.ru - Ministry of Defense of Russia
                  asks enterprises of the domestic military-industrial
                  complex to accelerate the development of shock drones, said the general director of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergei Chemezov.
                  RIA Novosti reports. "
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 14: 24
                    -5
                    Quote: Bez 310
                    asks enterprises of the domestic military-industrial
                    complex to accelerate the development of attack drones

                    Direct mockery. Does not require, does not launch the acceleration program, does not allocate additional funds, but asks.
              2. Amin_vivec
                Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 18: 27
                +1
                The tactics of application are visible from afar, differs little from the modern one, but gives absolutely new opportunities within the given framework.
                Detection equipment will be placed on the "Hunter". The UAV will be visible, and the pilot on the SU-57 will be far behind "in the shadows." Add. ammunition will be placed on the slave UAV.
                As a result, two pilots on the SU-57 will replace a small squadron, which will include a UAV with medium-early warning radar and anti-radar missiles, or air-to-air, a pair of UAVs with a bomb load, and the SU-57 itself will provide cover with long-range air-to-air missiles, staying behind and being the center of data collection from the UAV.
                As a result, while maintaining the number of personnel, the number of aircraft in the air increases sharply.
                Imagine a perspective for a pilot who will issue commands to accompanying "Hunters":
                1) You do not need to turn on the radar in order not to light up - the target will be illuminated by the drone walking in front;
                2) earlier it was necessary to have several sides - some carry out bomb attacks entering the air defense zone, others covered from the air. Now the drone will deliver bomb strikes at our command - and we only cover from afar.
                3) The SU-35 has a choice of medium and long-range missiles - no more than 6 pieces can be taken, and now there is an opportunity to carry more pieces with you. 3-4 on a slave drone. I shot - the command was given - to return to the base, and we still have a full ammunition load. And we haven't even been spotted yet ...
                1. Bez 310
                  Bez 310 27 December 2020 18: 46
                  -5
                  Quote: Amin_Vivec
                  Application tactics are visible from afar

                  Funny ...
                  I will not comment.
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 19: 09
                  -2
                  The whole problem is that this is not a cheap or mass-produced UAV. The engine, avionics, and some other elements are the same as the Su-35/57. Accordingly, the price will be comparable. There will be a choice of 3 S-70 or 2 Su-35. Guess which will be chosen?
                  Also a question of maneuverability, gaining speed, maintaining a single flight map with the leading manned aircraft. The flying wing circuit is simply not capable of this. This scheme exists for scouts and long-range bombers. All. All other options ended in failure.
                  1. Amin_vivec
                    Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 19: 39
                    +1
                    The most expensive thing in each such machine is the engine, and the Okhotnik has a single-engine configuration, unlike the Su-35/57. Cockpit avionics, life support and pilot rescue systems are also not cheap, and they are not needed in a drone, the economy will be here too. So there will be savings in any case, hopefully the cost of the drone will be lower than the cost of the Su-35/57. Otherwise, the meaning in it is lost.
                    Maneuverability. And what is it for a drone? Will he participate in agile combat with automatic cannons? - No. He fired missiles from afar and went to the base according to the program.
                    The lot of the drone is to be a radar, bomb under cover, and shoot long-range missiles at external target designation. Bayraktar has significantly less functionality, lower speed, shallower depth of work, less maneuverability, and he has his own niche, and he is good at it.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 19: 51
                      -3
                      The main expense in modern aircraft is avionics. Different F16 units with the same airframe and engine may differ significantly in cost, only due to avionics. Savings on man and engine are offset by spending on unmanned vehicles and flying wing circuits. The prices for the Hunter will be comparable to generation 4-5 fighters. Even the dimensions of the S-70 and Su-57 are the same, only the length and width have changed.
                      Maneuverability is needed so that they can have the same flight map. The wingman must act as the protector of the pilot manned aircraft. And yes, if necessary, engage in a mobile battle.
                      Quasi-AI is tested for this.
                      1. Amin_vivec
                        Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 20: 07
                        +1
                        This is a different application concept.
                        The statesmen declare that "maneuverable close combat is dead," the F-35 is not well suited for it. He acts on the principle "emerged from the dark, shot from afar, went home."
                        The same principle of application and the "hunter". Why risk an expensive car if this problem is solved by a rocket that is 100 times cheaper. The Okhotnik is simply an additional carrier platform for the Su-57.
                        And "maneuverable close combat" is a last resort, and the Su-57 is much better prepared for it than the F-35.
                      2. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 20: 19
                        -4
                        Loyal Wingman is being created for the F35. Any fight is maneuverable. Differs in intensity.
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        He acts on the principle "emerged from the dark, shot from afar, went home."

                        Yes, when there is target designation. LW is also being created for this.
                        Who will indicate the target for the Hunter?
                      3. Amin_vivec
                        Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 20: 24
                        +1
                        Probably the principle of application is as follows:
                        A link will operate - an Okhotnik UAV with a medium-early warning radar and anti-radar missiles, or air-to-air missiles, a pair of UAVs with a bomb load, and the SU-57 itself will cover them with long-range air-to-air missiles, staying behind and being the center of data collection from the UAV.
                      4. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 20: 25
                        -4
                        Quote: Amin_Vivec
                        UAV "Okhotnik" with medium-early warning radar

                        Why then such an expensive scheme for a disposable UAV?
                      5. Amin_vivec
                        Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 20: 34
                        +1
                        And where did you get the idea that it will be disposable ???? Its task is to illuminate from afar, while it will be under the cover of the Su-57, which will be in the "shadow" at that time, and will not turn on its detection devices.
                        Once again, the Hunter is just an additional carrier platform for the Su-57, it only expands the capabilities, but does not replace the Su-57.
                      6. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 20: 40
                        -3
                        If the S-70 turned on the radar, then it glows for hundreds of kilometers and naturally becomes the No. 1 target. LW will fly to it in radio silence and destroy it from the maximum possible distance. Therefore, it is one-time, the inclusion of radars is a deliberate destruction.
                      7. Amin_vivec
                        Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 20: 41
                        +2
                        Why do they even put radars on fighters?
                      8. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 20: 54
                        -3
                        The question is in the tactics of their application. Activation in active mode occurs in case of detection or known air superiority. Some of the application tactics do not imply the active use of the radar at all, only in a passive mode. Targeting from the ground, ships, AWACS, other fighters, and now UAVs.
                      9. Amin_vivec
                        Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 20: 56
                        +1
                        That's right, the only question is tactics.
                      10. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 21: 16
                        -4
                        The lot of such UAVs as S-70, X-47V reconnaissance and pinpoint strikes. Here their range, stealth, weapons in the compartments are all a plus.
                        Active use as a slave is pointless, there is no maneuverability, the work involves the active use of radar and radio channels, which unmasks, the price is comparable to a fighter, the carrying capacity is limited to 2-2,5 tons. All pluses turn into minuses.
                        Therefore, in the United States, all flying wing projects, except for reconnaissance and bombers, have failed. There are several dozen RQ-170 (possibly RQ-180) and B-2 (in the future B-21).

                        The Loyal Wingman project (within Skyborg) involves the creation of relatively cheap slave UAVs. Which will be consumables in battle. To do his job for the fighter. All active equipment on drones, they and the aircraft are controlled by quasi-AI, the pilot's task is to control the battle.
                        As a result, by the beginning of the next decade, there will be a multiple increase in the size of the US Air Force and its allies. In response, several dozen Su-57 and S-70? It's just a crime.
                      11. Amin_vivec
                        Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 21: 46
                        +1
                        You yourself said the S-70 is similar in size to the Su-57. The Su-57 has a carrying capacity of about 10 tons. Wikipedia says that the S-70 will probably have a carrying capacity of up to 8 tons. There is no exact data, and your 2-2,5 tons are your personal value judgments.
                        The S-70 is declared as a "Heavy assault and reconnaissance UAV", with a combat load of up to 8 tons.
                        Ours has a range of 6000 km, Loyal Wingman 3700 km.
                        Ours has a wingspan of 19 m.Loyal Wingman 11,5 m.
                        This means that just Loyal Wingman will have a maximum combat load of 2-2,5 tons.
                        When using the "Hunter" - as an additional carrier platform for the Su-57 (no more, no less), the Su-57 will be able to take not 6 long-range air-to-air missiles, but 15 and at the same time will receive additional. detection capabilities (+2 С-70);
                        Or not 15 missiles, but 10 but with additional tanks.
                        And the F-35, for the same additional load, should take 6-7 Loyal Wingman with it, and the question is, the easier it is to handle ... one or two, or a pack of 6-10 units.
                        The Hunter is not a panacea. This is an extension of the capabilities of the Su-57 - and consider it only this way, do not attribute your fantastic "Wishlist" to it.
                      12. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 22: 13
                        -3
                        This limitation is due to internal compartments, all these 8-10 tons on the F-35 and Su-57 are possible on external suspensions, the flying wing scheme does not allow their installation. So 2-2,5 tons. The X-47B is generally 1,8 tons.
                        The range of 6000 km and supersonic speed, except for laughter, causes nothing else. This is simply not possible in the current version.
                        As for the wiki, you need to use it.
                        The carrying capacity is indicated in it 2,8 tons, source https://lenta.ru/news/2019/02/13/okh/
                        About 8 tons is said here https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/655955-ohotnik-bespilotnik-ispytaniya
                        Putin told Erdogan about 6000 km laughing
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzVg6H3CsNw&t=534

                        The sources are so-so, all guesses and assumptions, except for Putin's outright lies (although he may have meant some other version of the S-70, with a different engine)

                        In the current configuration, the S-70 has more than 2,8 tons (and that is overstated) in the compartments will not fit, it will definitely not fly further than 3500 km (the combat radius is about 1500 km).
                      13. Amin_vivec
                        Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 22: 42
                        +1
                        The S-70 is declared as a "Heavy assault and reconnaissance UAV" even if you think its carrying capacity is as a "Heavy assault and reconnaissance UAV" 2,5 tons. (Although, with similar dimensions to the SU-57, which also carries weapons not on an external sling and has 10 tons.)
                        Ours has a wingspan of 19 m.Loyal Wingman 11,5 m. (The bearing area is almost 3,5 times less)))))
                        just proportional to the carrying capacity of the Loyal Wingman what is? 500 - 800 kg? and that's it ????? This is 1 long-range missile (by the way on the external sling) or 2 medium-range missiles (also by the way on the external)
                      14. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 23: 14
                        -1
                        It depends on what, XQ-58 is generally 250 kg in the inner compartments, perhaps the same amount in the outer ones, if any.
                        And so they actually ask for 2 types of slave UAVs
                        1. Light type XQ-58 / UTAP-22 / Tu-143
                        2. Medium type Avenger (Predator C) / Probe from dry.
                        Lightweight as cheap as possible, limited reusable (engines from tomahawk / caliber). Consumables for breaking through air defense, air combat. They carry active equipment (radar, electronic warfare, communications), short-to-medium-range missiles, guided bombs.
                        Medium carriers of main weapons, slave and return UAVs. In fact, a light bomber with 3-5 tons of carrying capacity. Naturally multifunctional AWACS, bomber, fighter, repeater, electronic warfare, etc.

                      15. Amin_vivec
                        Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 23: 16
                        +1
                        wait and see)))))))))
                3. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 22: 28
                  -3
                  And so we open the characteristics of the X-47B and the C-70 will have ± the same. The laws of physics are the same for everyone, the circuit is the same, the engines are comparable, the sizes are the same.
                  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_X-47B
                4. Amin_vivec
                  Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 22: 50
                  +1
                  Let's wait for the official data, and let the "spherical horse in vacuum" wait))) Don't get excited. I know that you also want it to be better))))
              3. El Chuvachino
                El Chuvachino 27 December 2020 23: 05
                0
                It makes no sense to compare "Hunter" and Loyal Wingman in light of the fact that the analogue of the latter is called "Thunder".
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    2. Amin_vivec
      Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 20: 53
      +2
      Radars can be passive, and optical detection means ...
  • Petro_tut
    Petro_tut 27 December 2020 19: 39
    0
    This is all great, but it will greatly overload the pilot, the plane will have to be upgraded for two crew members, but it will be a completely different machine. request
    1. Amin_vivec
      Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 19: 41
      +2
      You can't do without a co-pilot, it's true.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 20: 24
        -4
        Yes, you can't do it. Only the co-pilot must be out of the car. Quasi-AI is indispensable. The pilot must control the battle, not the aircraft and the UAV.
        1. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 20: 27
          +1
          For agile combat, AI is needed, for long-range combat it is not.
          In general, I am in favor of all aviation being unmanned, but we have what we have.
        2. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 20: 34
          -3
          For the distant, all the more necessary. He must recognize, prioritize and propose to destroy targets that barely "shine" on the radars. To understand what is a hindrance, what is a false goal, what is a priority goal, what is not, what is dangerous for a person, what is not. The person simply cannot cope with this. And of course all this with working their own and others' electronic warfare.
          Discovered first, this is primarily the work of onboard information systems.
        3. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 20: 38
          +1
          “A person simply cannot cope with this anymore,” I want to note that at present it is the person who is doing this.
          You want the Hunter to be a combat air terminator, and I’m only FOR, but it’s not. It was created only as an additional carrier platform for the Su-57. And the concept of its application is just that.
  • alexmach
    alexmach 27 December 2020 13: 09
    0
    Well, judging by the analogy with the SU-57, when were the first reports of weapons tests there? Not in 19 by chance?
  • Vita vko
    Vita vko 27 December 2020 10: 42
    +4
    Quote: Hunter 2
    It is especially interesting how he will work on air targets.

    If it has the same radar as the Su-57, it will work perfectly. The main thing is that with the Hunter, helicopters and bombers will no longer need fighter cover on every sortie, let alone such risky tasks for manned aviation as reconnaissance and additional reconnaissance of targets.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 27 December 2020 12: 34
      -7
      If it has the same radar as the Su-57
      the same physically does not fit into it, and what else to power such a powerful radar in such a kid
      1. Winnie76
        Winnie76 27 December 2020 13: 35
        +3
        Quote: _Ugene_
        the same physically does not fit into it, and what else to power such a powerful radar in such a kid

        Optional complete set of grilles. You can limit yourself to the frontal. Well, besides, I would be careful not to apply the term `` baby '' to a 20-ton thing.
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 14: 00
        -2
        Quote: _Ugene_
        physically will not fit

        The S-70 and Su-57 have the same dimensions. Only the length and width are reversed.
  • Avrora17
    Avrora17 27 December 2020 10: 57
    -1
    Quote: Hunter 2
    Great news good ! We are waiting for the test results. It is especially interesting how he will work on air targets. I hope Everything will be fine and the Hunter will finally go into production.

    Good news Alexey agree yes ! And it will go into production together with the Su-57, the idea is excellent for their interaction ..
    1. Grits
      Grits 27 December 2020 12: 04
      +4
      Quote: Avrora17
      And it will go into production together with the Su-57, the idea is excellent for their interaction ..

      It seems to me that it will look like this - the Su-57 as a "headquarters" control center in a group of several "Hunters". For this, the two-cab version is still piled under the operator's seat. And he will cover them, being a little behind these wonderful robots. While they will do their job on the ground and on air targets, they will record air defense, assess the situation, accumulate information from all Okhotnyi and give instructions and target designation
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 27 December 2020 13: 11
        0
        And why is the SU-57 for this? The same AWACS or RTR aircraft could not do the same?
        1. Amin_vivec
          Amin_vivec 27 December 2020 18: 40
          +1
          Because no one canceled the real air battle. The Su-57 was developed as a combat strike unit, and the Hunter only expands its capabilities:
          1) allows you to remain invisible longer;
          2) increases the ammunition load by carrying it to the UAV
          3) increases the detection capabilities, due to the radars on the UAV.
          The Okhotnik only expands the capabilities of the SU-57, but does not replace it.
          And AWACS planes are also needed.
        2. bayard
          bayard 27 December 2020 19: 19
          +3
          The Su-57 will be able to do this ... imperceptibly, because at a distance of 200 km + hardly anyone will see it. But I see the "Hunter" more in the role of a marine reconnaissance fighter of AWACS aircraft, and as a shock one too - X-31 and X-35, it will be able to carry at least 4 pieces.
          If they work in a group, the attack UAVs will cover the UAVs by fighters. Well, the coordinator and general cover is the Su-57.
          The news is really good.
  • Avrora17
    Avrora17 27 December 2020 10: 05
    +5
    Quote: nnm
    I think the issue of assessing the place and role of UAVs for the future is a more serious, deep and difficult issue than just assessing their use in the Armenian-Azerbaijani war, which became a catalyst for the development of this topic.

    I agree that a more serious concept of warfare is being developed here and we know little, and thank God .. Russia is still at the level and there are many more "surprises" for some "hot heads" in the West ..
    Do not touch Russia "gentlemen" will be more whole, it would be better to sit down at the negotiating table before it's too late ..
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 27 December 2020 10: 47
    +6
    Quote: Avrora17
    Su-57 went into series and it's all a chain of one link.

    Rather - links of the same chain.
    I pray, though not a believer, that the Hunter will successfully pass all the tests and be accepted into service.
    1. Avrora17
      Avrora17 27 December 2020 11: 01
      -4
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Rather - links of the same chain.

      Thanks for the amendment. hi
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      I pray, though not a believer, that the Hunter will successfully pass all the tests and be accepted into service.

      Well, Vera is in our souls with all Russians, we just don't like to talk about it .. wink
      Without faith, Russia would not exist! Now young people are actively undermining it, turning it into stupid consumers, etc. Remember Dulles "We will replace their faith and their values ​​with ours .." .. hi
  • Coconut
    Coconut 27 December 2020 10: 07
    +4
    A hunter is an expensive machine for a UAV to throw grenades or shoot targets too small for such a machine .. the adjustment on the target is also small .. the question is what is his real task ..?
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 27 December 2020 10: 15
      +6
      Quote: Coco
      A hunter is an expensive machine for a UAV to throw grenades or shoot targets too small for such a machine .. the adjustment on the target is also small .. the question is what is his real task ..?

      And the plane, not even counting the pilot, in your opinion is inexpensive for "throwing grenades or shooting targets", and they are doing this.
    2. Konnick
      Konnick 27 December 2020 10: 17
      +3
      This is again from a series, they did it, and then they began to think about its application. The Hunter became not an unmanned aerial vehicle, but an almost full-size and possibly fully functional fighter (in the version with air-to-air missiles) in an unmanned version. Accordingly, the price will be the same as the real one, although due to unmanned avionics it may be even higher.
    3. Vadim_888
      Vadim_888 27 December 2020 10: 20
      +3
      ... the question is what is his real task ..?

      Bandolier for su 57 + radar illumination, if anything, will fly to the hunter, and not to the dryer
    4. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 27 December 2020 10: 20
      +5
      Right now I'm looking at the Military Acceptance for the MiG-31. They close the huge northern border. The hunter will help them.
    5. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 27 December 2020 10: 32
      +1
      target adjustment is fine too

      At the headquarters and bases of terrorists, why not use ... as an assistant paired with the leader, it will be very good, it allows you not to risk the pilot's life in dangerous areas.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 27 December 2020 11: 00
        +1
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Why not use terrorist headquarters and bases.

        Because there are devices that are simpler and cheaper. Even we almost have it.
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        as an assistant paired with the leader will be very good, it allows you not to risk the pilot's life in dangerous areas.

        And what is the catch of the couple? If a drone can search for itself, bomb itself, even fight off other letak itself, what for a goat accordion? Why send a plane with a pilot to a dangerous area?
        1. Grits
          Grits 27 December 2020 12: 28
          +1
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          And what is the catch of the couple? If a drone can search for itself, bomb itself, even fight off other letak itself, what for a goat accordion? Why send a plane with a pilot to a dangerous area?

          I think that, in contrast to pin-dos, we have few AWACS planes. And the space group does not shine. And the drone needs to be controlled over long distances. For this, the C-57 is intended. Out of despair. But there is a plus in this - he will also cover the Hunters in case of danger.
    6. Avrora17
      Avrora17 27 December 2020 11: 06
      -2
      Quote: Coco
      A hunter is an expensive machine for a UAV to throw grenades or shoot targets too small for such a machine .. the adjustment on the target is also small .. the question is what is his real task ..?

      Well, after all, like the Su-57, it is called multitasking .. And the tasks of this tandem will be more global than the destruction of manpower and equipment of "partners", etc. )))
    7. Errr
      Errr 27 December 2020 12: 14
      +4
      Quote: Coco
      the question is what is his real task ..?
      Considering that the range of its flight is more than 5000 km, I can assume the option of using the S-70 as a stealth unmanned patrol interceptor. Even at the moment, subject to the use of the already existing satellite communication system "Gonets", this is a very realistic option, which will reliably cover literally all the gaps in the ground air defense system of Russia in the northern and eastern directions. A very good help to the old people in the person of the MiG-31. smile
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  • Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 27 December 2020 10: 35
    +4
    Interesting tactics, a pair of su-57 + UAV "Okhotnik", as a full-fledged fighter.

    The future has already arrived. Hunter to be, preferably faster good
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 27 December 2020 10: 36
    +6
    When the first plane appeared, very few people also understood what it would grow into in just a few years.
    When the first machine gun appeared, there was generally an opinion about its harmfulness, I spent too many cartridges.
    What drones will do in the near and not so future now is also difficult to say, but it is better to have a reserve that was not immediately and not all useful, than to lag behind and try to catch up.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 27 December 2020 10: 40
    +2
    Although, I still believe that all these drones are weapons of peacetime and for war with a technically backward enemy.
    They are too dependent on communication, and the instability of electronics and, especially any sensors to external influences, also reduces reliability.
  • armannu
    armannu 27 December 2020 10: 58
    -3
    Expensive, easily visible.
    Plastic bayraktars are more promising; instead of one hunter, dozens can be made and, in terms of final efficiency, they will be blocked at times.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 27 December 2020 11: 43
      +1
      and what is the point in this comparison? these are machines of globally different levels and capabilities. Turkish car is similar to Orion or Corsair. Orion has already left in my series.
      1. armannu
        armannu 27 December 2020 11: 48
        -6
        So I do not compare.
        I think a hunter is not needed, has no prospects, a waste of effort and money.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 27 December 2020 13: 48
          +1
          It is logical) in vain the states, the Chinese and the Brits who do the same, also spend money) everyone is out of step)))
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 27 December 2020 13: 53
      -3
      Quote: armannu
      Plastic bayraktars are more promising; instead of one hunter, dozens can be made and, in terms of final efficiency, they will be blocked at times.

      Bayraktars cost a ruble per bundle? Can Bayraktars work by air? Do the Bayraktars have an air command post? Bayraktars have a range of 6000 km, a speed of 1400 km / h, a load of 2,8 tons, a ceiling of 18 km? Or maybe they have a radar?

      You're right. Undoubtedly thousands of hamsters versus a bear are a formidable force
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 27 December 2020 11: 02
    +2
    Preferably in Ukraine. Objectives: SBU, parliament, the presidential palace and the building of Naftogaz, for starters ...
  • ximkim
    ximkim 27 December 2020 11: 09
    +2
    That's interesting .. UAVs also have generations like aircraft. The question is - when it will be adopted, what generation will it fall under, and what generation will it be in the United States and Israel?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 27 December 2020 12: 02
      +1
      There's no such thing. The normal classification has not yet been established.
      1. ximkim
        ximkim 27 December 2020 12: 41
        +1
        Then the classification is formed after prolonged and prolonged combat use.
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 27 December 2020 11: 18
    -2
    To make an interceptor from a device with a speed of 1000 km is not an idea. It would be better to focus on what it was originally intended for - reconnaissance and work on the ground. But the drone is too big and noticeable.
    1. mlad
      mlad 27 December 2020 12: 06
      -1
      And too expensive to sacrifice fearlessly, all its functions will be quietly performed by a manned fighter, the future belongs to small drones and a large number of them.
      1. seregin-s1
        seregin-s1 27 December 2020 14: 12
        0
        And will a small drone be able to watch for a day with rockets weighing a couple of tons? Wouldn't the pilot want to write? And look at our borders 60 km long.
        1. mlad
          mlad 27 December 2020 18: 02
          +1
          and who said that a hunter can be on duty for days?
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 December 2020 12: 05
    0
    Normal workflow, no surprise. It is necessary to find out all the advantages and disadvantages, so that later it will not be excruciatingly painful when this technique goes into series.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 27 December 2020 12: 09
    +1
    it is not for nothing that they called the "Hunter", it will be a Hunter for "predators", "global hawks", "anks", "baitaraks" and other enemy dronos, and not just "Hunter for babakhs" so respect to the developers! hi