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Social protection in the USSR and modern Russia is better not even to compare ...

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You can talk and write a lot on this topic. Therefore, I will try to limit myself to the main, so to speak, fundamental points. First of all, the right to social protection was declared both in the Constitution of the USSR of 1977 (article 43) and in the basic law of our country (article 39 as amended in 1993). However, as you know, to declare does not mean to provide. And the difference here, whatever one may say, is that there was a socialist system in the USSR, and we live under capitalism. This is where the root of the problem lies.

The goal of social policy in the Union was to ensure general welfare, that is, "coverage" of all citizens of the country without exception. In the current conditions, we are talking about "ensuring conditions of existence worthy of a person, as well as comprehensive and harmonious development of the individual." Feel, as they say, the difference in the formulations themselves: "welfare" and "dignified existence" (not life) ...

Specificity already flows from these cornerstone postulates. Soviet social security was, firstly, really universal, and secondly, gratuitous and free for citizens. That is, it should be remembered that there were no pension deductions from wages in the USSR! Moreover, a person who was, so to speak, "in the field" of the Soviet social protection system, in addition to purely monetary payments, received a fairly large number of benefits. The same disabled people, as, indeed, many pensioners, used them in a fairly wide range.

This is not to mention absolutely free medicine, education (from primary to higher education), health resort provision of citizens and many other vital issues. What do we have today? Social security in the country, in fact, is paid for its future recipients (insurance deductions, deductions from salaries), it is far from universal, but targeted. And most importantly, it directly depends on the level of the budget. In the USSR, every single social program was provided by the state. Now, for the most part, financing comes from the funds of the citizens themselves, accumulated with the help of the so-called "corporate social system", embodied in the form of various funds.

The most interesting thing is that in financial terms, Russia spends more on social needs than the Soviet Union. It looks like this: according to official data on the state budget of the USSR, about 30% of all the country's expenditures were spent on social needs. In Russia, according to exactly the same statistical data, this figure in 2010 exceeded 50%! Why, then, on an average Soviet pension, its recipient could not only not starve, but live quite normally, while Russian pensioners constantly complain about poverty?

The answer here, most likely, should be sought in the fact that the social sphere is inextricably linked with all other issues of the country's life. A concrete example - there was no unemployment in the USSR as such. Consequently, there was also no article for the payment of benefits under it. Prices for literally everything - from food products to transport services and housing and communal services - were stable and from year to year, if not declining, then remained at the same level. There was no inflation. At the same time, according to all the same statistics, the average pension in the country from 1965 to 1980 increased by 1,74 times. And yet - at the legislative level, the provision was fixed that it cannot be lower than 50% of a pensioner's earnings.

Generally speaking, the social security of citizens (both Soviet and Russian) is fundamentally wrong to reduce only to receiving pensions and other various benefits and payments. Eight hour working day, guaranteed annual leave, free nurseries, kindergartens, schools, universities and institutes. Free treatment, sanatoriums and resorts, children's camps, which many citizens used again free of charge, or on preferential terms. And, by the way, the right to receive free housing, which to us today seems like some kind of fantasy.

Alas, having renounced socialist principles, our state has ceased to be socially oriented in practice, and not in the declarations of officials and politicians. Someone in it manages to ensure a "dignified existence", but again with their own strength and their own labor. Someone - no. No matter how much has passed since the collapse of the USSR, and no matter how much Russia has advanced in its development during this time, so far it can only strive to catch up with the great power in the field of social protection and welfare of its citizens, of which it is the legal successor.
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 27 December 2020 04: 25
    +87
    Social protection in the USSR and modern Russia - it's better not even to compare

    Further it was possible not to write anything. Whoever found the USSR and can compare life then and now, this is understandable.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 December 2020 04: 37
      +39
      Social protection in the USSR and modern Russia is better not even to compare ...
      I think the topic will be explosive in terms of comments, people have suffered from "reforms". medicine, education, "social sphere", pensions ... everything flew to one place. populist handouts don't save the day. First Channel TV - alternative life from parallel reality. These are the grandmothers, those who live nearby, not in a "non-rubber" one, but in a "castle house".
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 27 December 2020 04: 58
        +50
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        the topic will be explosive according to comments, people have suffered from "reforms"

        Now, pay for everything. Born and pay. Baptized, pay. In kindergarten, I went and pay. I wanted to learn to read and write in school, pay again. I wanted to get more and more knowledge at the institute, pay even more. Now, unless that in the army you don't have to pay urgently ...
        1. The popuas
          The popuas 27 December 2020 07: 12
          +21
          And they pay in the army ... there are enough levies. hi
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 27 December 2020 07: 34
            +45
            Social protection in Russia? Not. Have not heard! What protection can there be in a society of abnormal social inequality?
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 27 December 2020 07: 38
              +34
              The social protection of Russia, when compared with other capitalist countries, is much worse. And there is no question of the USSR.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 27 December 2020 12: 27
                -15%
                This is because half of those who have to work to provide the very social protection of the population just put the hell on their job through something like theft, and someone else scribbles leftist reporting just not to work in the field, this is clearly expressed.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 27 December 2020 13: 53
                  +13
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  This is because half of those who have to work

                  Vadim, this is because they rob ... at all levels, they steal, rob and everything is geared towards that.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 27 December 2020 17: 42
                    -15%
                    No - it's just because they don't want to work every year for the development of regions, 1,5 trillion rubles are allocated from the budget, and every year almost a trillion of this amount is returned to the budget as stupidly not spent on anything, as to spend them you need to draw up projects to attract people, and so on and it’s hard to work it is necessary to take responsibility and part of the population is sitting and waiting for someone to come and show them and tell them what and where to do with the fact that they live in shit.
                    1. Plastmaster
                      Plastmaster 27 December 2020 18: 30
                      +13
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      those that live in shit have long been measured.

                      Here is delusional nonsense. I would have been given how much money they spent on the cubs with the youths. Or advise where to go? Looks like straight mmm in the know .....
                  2. Squelcher
                    Squelcher 28 December 2020 20: 18
                    -2
                    Well, yes, according to the words of power from Venus or Mars flew in?
                    All former members of the CPSU and Komsomol workers. Communism gave birth to a good system that the former Komsomol members and pioneers with the communists began to build capitalism according to the Stakhanov style, and some even organized Komsomol organized criminal groups in the 90s.
                    1. Lerik
                      Lerik 28 February 2021 08: 08
                      0
                      So what? you yourself wanted to live in capitalism. receive and sign.
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 27 December 2020 21: 20
                  +6
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  because half of those who have to work to ensure the very social protection of the population just put the hell on their job

                  Vadik, are you delusional or what? Have you ever really worked yourself? Produced anything other than the stock dividend you talk about? fool
                  1. Lexus
                    Lexus 28 December 2020 04: 22
                    +3
                    Igor hi ,
                    he used accumulators until he got to the "kitchen" through the "golden shower". bully
                3. Yaroslavl
                  Yaroslavl 30 December 2020 09: 09
                  0
                  Vadim, if people constantly disagree with you, at which almost everything ... can you start to revise your views?) Maybe you turned the wrong way somewhere?)
              2. Malyuta
                Malyuta 27 December 2020 12: 40
                +30
                Quote: Stas157
                The social protection of Russia, when compared with other capitalist countries, is much worse. And there is no question of the USSR.

                I agree. In terms of social protection, the USSR is an absolutely unsurpassed state to this day.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 27 December 2020 15: 25
                  +16
                  Duc - the imperatives of the states are different .. The USSR - wanted to build communism, and as a result - paid maximum attention to the person. To ensure his worthy, creative and fruitful life. Otherwise, communism cannot be built.
                  Capitalism has only one value - loot. It does not matter at all who you are, how you acquired it, what are your personal qualities, your value to society .. Because you have money. Whoever doesn’t have - that vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is not a human, so, a talking cattle .. From which you need to squeeze out everything you can, and throw it into a ditch to die .. Well at least they didn’t think of removing the skin after death ..
                  1. Aag
                    Aag 27 December 2020 17: 46
                    +13
                    Quote: paul3390
                    Duc - the imperatives of the states are different .. The USSR - wanted to build communism, and as a result - paid maximum attention to the person. To ensure his worthy, creative and fruitful life. Otherwise, communism cannot be built.
                    Capitalism has only one value - loot. It does not matter at all who you are, how you acquired it, what are your personal qualities, your value to society .. Because you have money. Whoever doesn’t have - that vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is not a human, so, a talking cattle .. From which you need to squeeze out everything you can, and throw it into a ditch to die .. Well at least they didn’t think of removing the skin after death ..

                    Do you know the funeral prices? (Bitter sarcasm (() ...
                    1. Malyuta
                      Malyuta 27 December 2020 19: 25
                      +22
                      Quote: AAG
                      Do you know the funeral prices? (Bitter sarcasm (() ...

                      There is such a joke.
                      As usual, Putin's press.
                      Vova asks the audience what will you do if we raise prices and payments by 30%?
                      All are silent, one jumps up - I will build a house!
                      Vova, what if 50%?
                      The same jumps up -Buy Kruzak myself and my mistress!
                      Vova- And if, damn it, we increase it by 150% ?!
                      Man- Then I'll buy a house in Spain, and my mistress in France!
                      -What do you work for, man ????
                      -The gravedigger in the cemetery!
                      1. Lexus
                        Lexus 28 December 2020 04: 29
                        +4
                        Colleague hi ,
                        You may be attracted "for divulging" ... the true grimace of an organized criminal group ...
                  2. Malyuta
                    Malyuta 27 December 2020 19: 27
                    +17
                    Quote: paul3390
                    states have different imperatives .. The USSR wanted to build communism, and as a result, it paid maximum attention to a person.

                    Now, too, special attention is paid to a person, how he can be milked even more.
                    And at the expense of the "skins" do not worry, they will poison them with a palm tree and disassemble them for organs, be-here.
                    1. Lexus
                      Lexus 28 December 2020 04: 45
                      +5
                      On the "palm" Russia is really "ahead of the rest of the planet" ... In a bad sense.

            2. nils
              nils 27 December 2020 13: 33
              +18
              Quote: Stas157
              Social protection in Russia? Not. Have not heard!


              Modern aphorisms:
              Once the president passed by a beggar. He felt so sorry for him that he wanted to support him somehow. And gave him a tax deferral.

              Self-isolation of the state from citizens has become legal.

              The government offered the Russians three options: self-isolation, self-medication, and self-destruction.
          2. Malyuta
            Malyuta 27 December 2020 12: 51
            +21
            The lady in the photo on the left has bruises on her knees. Interesting from what? belay
            1. The popuas
              The popuas 27 December 2020 13: 01
              +6
              Prays often wink
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 27 December 2020 13: 03
                +23
                Quote: Popuas
                Prays often

                Then there would still be a bump on my forehead! Here is something else wassat
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 27 December 2020 21: 24
                  +5
                  Quote: Malyuta
                  Then there would still be a bump on my forehead!

                  I am already 48, but I still like the train of your thoughts! wassat
              2. TANKISTONE
                TANKISTONE 30 December 2020 11: 49
                +1
                Popuas (Maxim)
                Prays often

                Photos from the net from pranksters (black humor):



                The saddest thing is that this black humor from young people ...
            2. smart ass
              smart ass 27 December 2020 13: 43
              +6
              Role-playing games
            3. Petrograd
              Petrograd 27 December 2020 15: 10
              +7
              Strives for career growth repeat
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 27 December 2020 08: 18
          +14
          Quote: Crowe
          Now, unless in the army, you don't have to pay on an urgent basis ...

          Now you don't have to pay for work ...
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 27 December 2020 10: 34
            +11
            Quote: mat-vey
            Now you don't have to pay for work ...

            Pay now to get a good job
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 27 December 2020 10: 36
              +7
              Quote: Silvestr
              Pay now to get a good job

              But it still seems to me that the kinship-clan principle is more widespread.
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 27 December 2020 12: 56
                +24
                Quote: mat-vey
                kinship-clan principle

                For example in medicine. An ordinary doctor will never become a doctor if there are no family ties with officials from the Ministry of Health. Between the doctor and the head doctor lies a whole gulf, especially in wages, which for obvious reasons is kept secret from doctors. Head doctors and officials of the Ministry of Health are a separate caste, composed by kinship... Everything is like a feudal state - nobles and serfs.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 27 December 2020 15: 29
                  +18
                  What do you mean - how? Putinism is digital neo-feudalism. With the distribution of volosts to feed the boyars and in the sight - also slaves .. One thing he does not take into account - in classical feudalism, the feudal lord is obliged to defend him by order of his signor, modern feudal lords - they will not hit a finger to protect the suzerain .. I I’m not talking about the serf people - he’s definitely not going to defend him. And everything will be like the winter of 1917 ...
                  1. SARANCHA1976
                    SARANCHA1976 28 December 2020 02: 48
                    +1
                    At the expense of the 17th, hardly, but the same thoughts about feudalism
          2. polar fox
            polar fox 27 December 2020 13: 58
            +2
            Quote: mat-vey
            Now you don't have to pay for work ...

            add bye ...
          3. Taga
            Taga 27 December 2020 19: 05
            +1
            And for the device on it, please!
        3. dedusik
          dedusik 27 December 2020 16: 34
          +10
          The servicemen and employees in law enforcement agencies were removed 50% of the payment for housing and communal services and a home phone, they canceled free travel in public transport, reduced their pension by almost 30%, today, all benefits have been canceled for veterans of labor and military service - previously in any region there was free travel on city and suburban transport (for veterans of military service only upon reaching the civilian retirement age). In return, they gave 540 rubles for travel (in our region) and scanty compensation for housing and communal services, 20 percent of the amount of all payments. This is so, in a nutshell. sad
          1. Aag
            Aag 27 December 2020 18: 04
            +7
            Quote: dedusik
            The servicemen and employees in law enforcement agencies were removed 50% of the payment for housing and communal services and a home phone, they canceled free travel in public transport, reduced their pension by almost 30%, today, all benefits have been canceled for veterans of labor and military service - previously in any region there was free travel on city and suburban transport (for veterans of military service only upon reaching the civilian retirement age). In return, they gave 540 rubles for travel (in our region) and scanty compensation for housing and communal services, 20 percent of the amount of all payments. This is so, in a nutshell. sad

            I have already written about this in another discussion, but they were minded, apparently because civilian pensioners were thrown into poverty in general, sometimes - to survive.
            It is not the "minus" that frustrates, but the fact that the people are being split in all respects ...
      2. WIKI
        WIKI 27 December 2020 08: 28
        +9
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        populist handouts don't save the day.

        Poverty alleviation activities are not well structured. Their implementation, for the most part, is not possible to assess the final result and control. It seems that they exist for show. The program potentially contributes to the theft of these 15 trillion rubles. "The auditors of the Accounts Chamber of Russia and experts from the Center for Advanced Management Solutions (CPMD) have studied the plan for spending 15 trillion rubles allocated to fight poverty and increase incomes of the population in 2019-2024. As of mid-summer, 992 events were responsible for reducing poverty in the country. However, only for 26 was it possible to assess the contribution of expenditures, and for 93 there is at least a scheme by which they can be estimated. All other actions remain without performance assessment. The performers do not set themselves such a task, do not collect the necessary data and do not have for this tools. "
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 27 December 2020 10: 09
        +12
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        I think the topic will be explosive in terms of comments, people have suffered from "reforms".

        Hello! And what is there to think about in the USSR, people lived like people and in a human way, and now we live in utter hopeless crap.
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    2. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 27 December 2020 05: 04
      +12
      Feel, as they say, the difference in the formulations themselves: "welfare" and "dignified existence"

      This is the whole point.
    3. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 27 December 2020 05: 37
      -51%
      In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles. Would you try to live on this money ...
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 27 December 2020 07: 05
        +25
        Would you try to live on this money ...
        now 14 thousand, you shouldn't even try.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 December 2020 12: 32
          -9
          Transferring 70 rubles of 1980 to the current one, this is about 23000 rubles, taking into account inflation prices, etc. - is it a lot now, of course, not.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 27 December 2020 13: 57
            +10
            Quote: Vadim237
            Transferring 70 rubles of 1980 to the current one, this is about 23000 rubles, taking into account inflation prices, etc. - is it a lot now, of course, not.

            This may not be a lot, but it is twice as much as now ..
            1. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 28 December 2020 02: 54
              +4
              Plus an absolutely free social network is a scanty communal apartment and there are no taxes and a shy of 70 rubles. all your
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 07: 21
        +39
        Quote: Sahalinets
        Would you try to live on this money ...

        Listen, if you haven't tried anything other than theory, then take it easy. In 1978, my wife, while working as a nurse, received 69 rubles and did not pay income tax. We lived, we didn't go to the trash heaps ...
        1. Alexander Zhigunov
          Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 15: 06
          -21%
          That is, if you lived and did not go to the trash heaps, then the earnings are normal? Brilliant, ideal Russian citizen
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 15: 53
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Zhigunov
            That is, if you lived and did not go to the trash heaps

            That is, he lived and enjoyed all the achievements of socialism. By the way, in 1979 he received his first apartment ...
            Quote: 210ox
            Mom retired in 1982.

            Dad retired at 134 rubles and did not groan ...
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            There were. And 50 veterans each.

            That's right, there were. Grandfather - a war veteran, a disabled person of the II group, in the 60s (he lived in a village) received about 30 rubles ... Then the pensions were raised ...
            Although, everyone has already said:
            Quote: 210ox
            50 rubles a veteran's pension is in the sixties, early seventies. Much here depended on the opportunity to work after the war.
            1. Lerik
              Lerik 28 February 2021 08: 13
              0
              what? a war veteran is not obliged to work
      3. 210ox
        210ox 27 December 2020 07: 39
        +9
        Mom retired in 1982, her pension was 120 rubles, which 70 are you talking about? A decade wrong?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 08: 35
          +5
          Quote: 210ox
          Mom retired in 1982. She had a pension of 120 rubles, which 70 are you talking about?

          There were. And 50 veterans each.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 27 December 2020 09: 30
            +5
            I only believe my eyes. Grandfather is a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, his pension was 90 rubles, but he worked until the last. 50 rubles a veteran's pension is in the sixties, early seventies. Much here depended on the opportunity to work after the war.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 09: 42
              +4
              Quote: 210ox
              I only believe my eyes. Grandfather is a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, his pension was 90 rubles, but he worked until the last.

              Six months ago, I threw out the Rybolov magazines, in the second half of the 80s, there was an outraged article about how the inspector fined a pensioner, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, 25 rubles for fishing in the wrong place, the protocol stated the size of the pension - 55 rubles.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 December 2020 12: 34
          +2
          120 a very good pension was understandable that not everyone had such pensions.
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 27 December 2020 07: 50
        +36
        Quote: Sahalinets
        In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles. Would you try to live with this money ...

        We lived normally. They also multiplied, unlike the current regime.

        Medicines, rent, transport - they cost a penny! And now, half of the pension for the rent, the rest for cheap food. There is no more money left for medicine.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 27 December 2020 08: 03
          +38
          I was sick with covid, I spent 20 thousand! Analyzes, fluorography, CT, medications ... I did everything for a fee! Only one fraxiparine (2 packs) took 6 thousand.

          We have free medicine only on paper (in the Constitution) or in promises from Putin. But in fact - you will remain without pants!

          P.S. Fluorography and blood tests (2 times) of this could be done for free, but I was afraid that I would die in the queues, given my serious condition. I decided to do it for any money, just not in Russian free medicine.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 December 2020 12: 38
          -11%
          "They also multiplied, unlike the current regime." The Asian republics bred well, but in the RSFSR there were between 1,5 and 4 million abortions per 5 million births. For comparison, now in Russia from 400000 to 500000 abortions per year, as we see there is a reserve for improving the demographic situation.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 27 December 2020 12: 48
            +21
            Quote: Vadim237
            but in the RSFSR there were between 1,5 and 4 million abortions per 5 million births. For comparison, now in Russia from 400000 to 500000 abortions per year, as we see, there is a reserve for improving the demographic situation.

            This is false statistics. In the Russian Federation, it is impossible to obtain complete statistics.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 27 December 2020 17: 46
              -9
              For you, false - but in fact, the most truthful thing to eat.
              1. Malyuta
                Malyuta 27 December 2020 19: 18
                +16
                Quote: Vadim237
                For you, false - but in fact, the most truthful thing to eat.

                putinoid?
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 27 December 2020 14: 00
            +12
            Asians breed well now, but we have minus 500 thousand a year .. In the USSR, there has never been negative dynamics, and out of 30 years of capitalism, we have 27 negative demographic dynamics.
          3. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 16: 12
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            but in the RSFSR there were between 1,5 and 4 million abortions per 5 million births.

            Russia and today is not "in chocolate" ...
            In 2019, with 1 newborns, approximately 481 abortions were performed.

            Simply put, today, even at the age of 18, a girl is considered a child, when in the USSR after 25 she lost a great chance of getting married. But of all the reasons for an abortion, the material one is in the first place. It was only in the USSR that a single mother could graduate from an institute, raise a girl, become a director of a plant and meet her fate in an electric train, saying that “at forty, life is just beginning” ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 27 December 2020 17: 53
              -11%
              Of course, not in chocolate until the 91st, wild trash with abortions, and at the same time it seemed like the USSR had the best social program - so why didn't they give birth? And after the 91st, a complete failure until 2005 in demography, and now we have what we have.
          4. SARANCHA1976
            SARANCHA1976 28 December 2020 02: 58
            +2
            Give ka demographic numbers, and then yours and abortions will look pale
          5. Lerik
            Lerik 28 February 2021 08: 16
            0
            why do you want to turn women into machines for the production of children ?. women are also human and no worse than you.
      5. Lbaralgeen
        Lbaralgeen 27 December 2020 08: 12
        +16
        a bucket of potatoes in '75 cost 10 kopecks in Temirtau. loaf of bread 20 kn
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 16: 20
          +1
          Quote: LBaralgeen
          a bucket of potatoes in '75 cost 10 kopecks in Temirtau. loaf of bread 20 kn

          Forgive me, I have never (since the 60s) seen on the market (in Kemerovo) potatoes cheaper than 40 kopecks a bucket (10 l). The store sold 6 kopecks a kilogram all year. And a wheat loaf II grade (800 g) cost 13 kopecks ...
      6. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 08: 33
        +11
        Quote: Sahalinets
        In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles. Would you try to live on this money ...

        The cost of housing and communal services, one-room Khrushchev, about ten for one, including electricity, heating, etc.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 27 December 2020 10: 37
          +10
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          including electricity,

          4 kopecks 1 kW
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 10: 45
            +15
            Quote: Silvestr
            4 kopecks 1 kW

            And there were no water meters. Every day in the bathroom I rested, dozed for an hour or more.
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 16: 23
            +5
            Quote: Silvestr
            4 kopecks 1 kW

            Did you have a gas stove? In Kemerovo (in apartments with electric stoves) 1 kW / h cost 2 kopecks ...
      7. sniperino
        sniperino 27 December 2020 09: 53
        -7
        Quote: Sahalinets
        In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles
        This is the average temperature of patients in the clinic. There are also details, for example, about collective farmers
        Hard work, but a pension ... What is 35 p. in 1980? Average! Less than 10 bottles of cheap vodka. There is no it, consider it.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 10: 47
          +5
          Quote: sniperino
          Less than 10 bottles of cheap vodka.

          And vodka was expensive compared to bread, for example.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 27 December 2020 11: 02
            -6
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            vodka was expensive compared to bread
            Bread today at 14000 r. you can buy 560 loaves of 25 rubles each, and 70 rubles for Soviet ones. - 350 loaves of 20 kopecks each. And vodka 100 r. - 140, not 18 at 3p.62k. Calculator to help you.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 27 December 2020 11: 14
              -6
              Quote: sniperino
              18 to 3 rubles 62k
              I'm confused myself without a calculator -19. But the meaning is the same.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 11: 20
                +9
                Quote: sniperino
                But the meaning is the same.

                The point is that three bottles of vodka were enough to pay for a communal apartment. So you can twist the numbers as you like. And for today's minimum wage, you will give a third for the same house.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 11: 15
              +12
              Quote: sniperino
              Calculator to help you.

              Buy it yourself. 9 bottles of 3,62 for 70 rubles? The poor student is unhappy. And in which store is it 100 vodka? Chatterbox.
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 27 December 2020 11: 23
                -13%
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And in which store is it 100 vodka?
                Metro.
                There are also 84 rubles. You can cling to inaccurate details that do not refute the main thesis: even bread, even vodka. Silent excellent student ...
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 11: 34
                  +8
                  Quote: sniperino
                  There are also 84 rubles.

                  Uh-huh. At the wholesale center, or I don't know where else you found it. We only sell stolen goods for 100 rubles.
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 27 December 2020 11: 38
                    -10%
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    We only sell stolen goods for 100 rubles.
                    It's always easier to chatter than to lay out your calculation. Where is he? It is impossible to prove nonsense.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 11: 48
                      +10
                      Quote: sniperino
                      It's always easier to chatter than to lay out your calculation. Where is he? It is impossible to prove nonsense.

                      I have not seen a bottle of vodka from a store cheaper than 225. These are 9 loaves of 25 each. Instead of 18 to 20 in the USSR for vodka at 3,62. Note, I took your bread prices, not 16 or 18 kopecks per loaf, and not 30 rubles, which is more or less the same now.
                      1. sniperino
                        sniperino 27 December 2020 11: 57
                        -9
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I have not seen a bottle of vodka from a store cheaper than 225.
                        I probably drank a glass of vodka this year, but I indicated the real price in the Metro. Are today's fanfurries worse, more harmful and more expensive than the Soviet denatured alcohol? Do they drink denatured alcohol today? In my team of loaders in 85, three out of 6-7 drank.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 12: 06
                        +2
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Do they drink denatured alcohol today?

                        And I haven't seen him for a hundred years. Maybe they drink where he is. Not in the know, in general.
                      3. sniperino
                        sniperino 27 December 2020 12: 13
                        -5
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Not in the know, in general.
                        The denatured alcohol contains ethyl alcohol (is the basis), kerosene, isopropanol and methanol. Also, it may contain additional gasoline, pyridine, any dye and other substances.
                        Just in case. And this was drunk not only by the Soviet unemployed homeless people, but also by many low-level workers.
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 12: 17
                        +6
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Just in case. And it was not only the Soviet unemployed homeless people who drank it, but the low-level hard workers.

                        And Boris Fedoritch drank glue. And now they will drink if the dry law is introduced, and will confiscate moonshine stills, as under Gorbachev.
                      5. sniperino
                        sniperino 27 December 2020 12: 20
                        -7
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        And Boris Fedorovich drank glue ... as under Gorbachev
                        This was long before any dry law was. No need to sculpt a humpback against the wall. You have it as a universal excuse, one word, a goat (if without absolution).
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 12: 23
                        +5
                        Quote: sniperino
                        This was long before any dry law was. No need to sculpt a humpback against the wall.

                        I agree. It was. Because, as in bulk at almost any enterprise, there was any alcohol-containing dirty trick, and vodka, I repeat, at that time was expensive. Better buy a cucumber lotion.
                      7. sniperino
                        sniperino 27 December 2020 12: 31
                        -5
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Better buy a cucumber lotion.
                        They drank both lotion and "triple" cologne, which they just didn’t drink when no one heard the surname of the tagged one.
                      8. Ross xnumx
                        Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 16: 48
                        +8
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I agree. It was.

                        Quote: sniperino
                        Drank both lotion and triple cologne

                        Gentlemen! You devoted the main part of the conversation to vodka and its price, forgetting that you are discussing the minimum pension in the USSR in 1980 and the average pension in the Russian Federation in 2020 (approximately, average = 14924 rubles) ... stop The minimum pension in the Russian Federation is 9 rubles ...
                        hi
                        Payment for housing, travel by transport, medicines (necessary) - this is the list of goods and services for which you MUST pay monthly.
                        If the payment for housing in 1980 (2-room, Khrushchev) was about 11-12 rubles (34, 28% of the minimum pension), then today for a 2-room apartment. you need to pay from 3 600 to 3 800 rubles (40, 81% of the minimum pension). Prices and costs are taken for Kemerovo (Central District).
                        Believe me, happiness is not in vodka!
                      9. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 27 December 2020 18: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        Payment for housing, travel by transport, medicines (necessary) - this is the list of goods and services for which you MUST pay monthly.
                        If the payment for housing in 1980 (2-room, Khrushchev) was about 11-12 rubles (34, 28% of the minimum pension), then today for a 2-room apartment. you need to pay from 3 600 to 3 800 rubles (40, 81% of the minimum pension). Prices and costs are taken for Kemerovo (Central District).
                        Believe me, happiness is not in vodka!

                        Here is a good example
                      10. iouris
                        iouris 27 December 2020 19: 00
                        +2
                        I confirm that for a 3-room apartment with a telephone and gas in 1979 ... 83 the total amount of payments was slightly more than 13 rubles. per month. Few of the employed earned less than 180 rubles. per month. Complex lunch: first, second (with meat), compote, bun - on average 1 rub. 30 kopecks Jeans cost 300 (!). A pair of stylish (Finnish) shoes - 45-60 rubles.
                      11. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 27 December 2020 19: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: iouris
                        Jeans cost 300 (!).

                        This is for the farmers with 300 (rifl, levis, montana) as well as sneakers (then "marathon" and "adidas"). But there were also Indian jeans at a price of 40-50 rubles (now I don't remember what they were called). hi
                      12. iouris
                        iouris 27 December 2020 19: 31
                        +2
                        It didn't count as jeans (although I personally used to wear them).
                    2. nerovnayadoroga
                      nerovnayadoroga 27 December 2020 22: 32
                      +1
                      Why are you respected, probably from the new formation of information agencies, born in 1962. I, exactly in 1983, returned from the SA, Leningrad Region, the salary of an installer is 140-160 r for the 3rd category, lunch cost from 50 kopecks to 1 ruble if you really want to like everyone else, 1p 50 kopecks set lunch in a restaurant, jeans in Gostinka Aprashke cost up to 180 rubles, shoes up to 25-30 rubles at force, in state stores American jeans 25-30 rubles any and corduroy and jeans, on business trips closed in some places forging a "shield" they earned up to 2000 thousand rubles a month, for a 21 year old demobilization "mind-bogglingly not crammed into the pockets" although on the deal as a turner I earned up to 320 rubles clean in 1979, but the foreman always said that I was young and therefore I should strive not to make money, but to learn to work and learn the secrets of turning skills. , in St. Petersburg, stood from 15 years after graduating from the Technical School, 15 months of excellent academic performance and diploma turning work on the 10th grade gave only an increased 5p. 3 year.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 December 2020 12: 41
    +2
    Normal bread costs from 60 rubles for a loaf and for 25 it is not bread.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 27 December 2020 12: 48
      +1
      Quote: Vadim237
      over 25 this is not bread
      For what I buy, for what I sell. Yesterday I bought a sample for 55 whole grains, but did not notice much difference. Soviet bread tasted better, I think.
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 27 December 2020 12: 49
        +24
        Quote: sniperino
        Soviet bread tasted better, I think.

        Soviet bread was bread, and now it is ersatz under the brand name "bread".
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 27 December 2020 12: 53
          +6
          Quote: Malyuta
          Soviet bread was bread
          There was always a bread smell in the bread department, which is not there today, as if the virus had removed some scent.
          1. Malyuta
            Malyuta 27 December 2020 13: 01
            +22
            Quote: sniperino
            There was always a bread smell in the bread department, which is not there today, as if the virus had removed some scent.

            I agree that the Orlovsky loaf had an uncommon aroma and taste, on the way home you could easily gobble up half a loaf and it cost 18 kopecks.
      2. Servisinzhener
        Servisinzhener 28 December 2020 11: 08
        0
        In the bakery on the first floor of the house where I live, bread costs 37 rubles. Plain white "brick". I'm not a fan of all these whole grain things. Especially considering their price, which is higher than that of bread made from ordinary flour. Although logically it should be the other way around.
    2. Alexy
      Alexy 27 December 2020 13: 41
      +2
      This is where this bread is sold ???
      Liquid something (beer))))
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 December 2020 17: 55
        -1
        Probably in small tubes.
    3. iouris
      iouris 27 December 2020 19: 07
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      Normal bread

      you can't buy it anymore. Orenburg loaf for 0,40 rubles. kept quietly for ten days. The yield was 16 centners per hectare ...
      And what was the vodka (ordinary)! "Belomor" gave such fragrant smoke ... However, excuse me ... What am I talking about? We have sternly rejected all this ... Democracy ...
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta 27 December 2020 19: 42
        +14
        Quote: iouris
        What am I talking about. We severely refused all this ...

        Chelyabinsk men are so harsh that they do not milk the cow, but squeeze it out entirely
      2. nerovnayadoroga
        nerovnayadoroga 27 December 2020 22: 41
        +1
        Nah !! We now have a crown, and there is simply no taste and smell for us! But memory cannot be taken away, in St. Petersburg Wheat round-16 kopecks, Rye round-14 kopecks loaf -1 kg, loaf City for 22 kopecks or Podmoskovny for 18 kopecks!
  • Stas157
    Stas157 27 December 2020 13: 11
    +17
    Quote: sniperino
    Bread today for 14000 p. you can buy 560 loaves

    Take the medicine and count it! Will it come out for you too?
    Furacilin used to cost 1 kopeck. You could take 70 thousand packs for 70 rubles. And the current pension will be 100 times less.
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  • basmach
    basmach 27 December 2020 15: 54
    +7
    Only a Soviet loaf weighed exactly a kilogram and was baked from grain of at least grade 3. The current one weighs 650 grams and grains of the 4th class (fodder).
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 27 December 2020 16: 17
      -10%
      I lived for a year on the Soviet minimum wage of 70 rubles. Now I live on a pension of 12 tons, I don’t notice much of the difference in limited nutrition, but the quality of food has become worse. So it worsened in the USSR from year to year. As under Stalin, prices were reduced, so under Brezhnev, quality was reduced. "The economy must be economical", (censored).
      1. Lerik
        Lerik 28 February 2021 08: 23
        0
        Brezhnev wanted to blame? and urban Russians have nothing to do with it?
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 28 February 2021 12: 04
          0
          Quote: Lerik
          urban Russians
          There are urban madmen. And the "urban Russians" (?) As the accused ... request
    2. Aag
      Aag 27 December 2020 18: 25
      +2
      Quote: basmach
      Only a Soviet loaf weighed exactly a kilogram and was baked from grain of at least grade 3. The current one weighs 650 grams and grains of the 4th class (fodder).

      Plus crackers, - "repeated" bread ... And the weight can be anything, and 330, and 250g for the same money.
  • Lerik
    Lerik 28 February 2021 08: 20
    0
    indeed, those who drank it, vodka, did not have a very sweet time due to the lack of money for vodka. but somehow they dodged and it turned out they did not dry out for months.
  • victor50
    victor50 27 December 2020 09: 55
    +15
    Quote: Sahalinets
    In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles. Would you try to live on this money ...

    For a long time my grandmother received a pension of 12 rubles, then 42. She always tried to give her grandchildren a ruble (a lot of money). So do not write what you have no idea about.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 16: 53
      +3
      Quote: victor50
      For a long time my grandmother received a pension of 12 rubles,

      yes
      In the village - yes! There, a pension above 20 rubles was considered money (60s).
    2. dauria
      dauria 27 December 2020 20: 39
      -4
      For a long time my grandmother received a pension of 12 rubles, then 42.


      That's right. The beginning of the 70s, the collective farm pension was 8 rubles, then 12. Then, under Gorbachev, a couple of rubles were thrown over the dead front-line husbands. So "paradise" in the USSR was very interestingly distributed and fair.
    3. Lerik
      Lerik 28 February 2021 08: 25
      0
      Don't confuse the 50's pension with the 80's pension. in the 80s there was no one below 70 rubles. this is not an average pension, but a minimum one.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 27 December 2020 10: 37
    +17
    Quote: Sahalinets
    In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles

    My scholarship in these years was 40-48 rubles + 2 times a year a sanatorium-dispensary + food coupons + a hostel. I even had to go to the restaurant with the girls. So don't need dirt
  • polar fox
    polar fox 27 December 2020 13: 59
    +4
    Quote: Sahalinets
    In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles.

    grandfather received 84 ... lived in the village. did not live in poverty. at all. still and helped my parents with food.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 December 2020 17: 58
      -1
      Well, of course, he did not live in poverty in the countryside - when he had his own farm.
  • saygon66
    saygon66 27 December 2020 14: 45
    +5
    - That's right ... And the minimum wage is 90! Air ticket through half the country - 45! smile
  • alstr
    alstr 27 December 2020 15: 38
    +2
    It was quite normal to live.
    Minus a communal apartment (about 10 rubles for a one-room apartment), this is about 2 rubles a day.
    And the prices were not like ours:
    Black bread 7-10 kopecks loaf
    White - 7 -25 kopecks.
    Meat (and beef) about 3 rubles
    Fish - Hake and blue whiting 80-90 kopecks each
    Kefir milk - 30 kopecks bottle, which can be returned for 15 kopecks. Those. 30 kopecks liter
    Sausage - from 2 rubles (for example, Doctor's 2,70)
    Groats - Buckwheat 60 kopecks. Rice - 90 kopecks.
    It is quite possible to live.
    Considering that it was possible to dine in the canteen from 50 kopecks to a ruble.
    It should be borne in mind that then there was a very reverent attitude to food and what we now have enough for one day, then we ate for two or three days. The bread was not thrown away, etc.
    And this is not taking into account the benefits that pensioners had.

    So 70 rubles was enough. It was already difficult to live on 45 rubles, but it was also possible.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 28 December 2020 19: 42
      +1
      Quote: alstr
      It was quite normal to live.
      Minus a communal apartment (about 10 rubles for a one-room apartment), this is about 2 rubles a day.
      And the prices were not like ours:
      Black bread 7-10 kopecks loaf
      White - 7 -25 kopecks.
      Meat (and beef) about 3 rubles
      Fish - Hake and blue whiting 80-90 kopecks each
      Kefir milk - 30 kopecks bottle, which can be returned for 15 kopecks. Those. 30 kopecks liter
      Sausage - from 2 rubles (for example, Doctor's 2,70)
      Groats - Buckwheat 60 kopecks. Rice - 90 kopecks.
      It is quite possible to live.
      Considering that it was possible to dine in the canteen from 50 kopecks to a ruble.
      It should be borne in mind that then there was a very reverent attitude to food and what we now have enough for one day, then we ate for two or three days. The bread was not thrown away, etc.
      And this is not taking into account the benefits that pensioners had.

      So 70 rubles was enough. It was already difficult to live on 45 rubles, but it was also possible.

      Dine for 50 kopecks?! Yes, you were a spree! In the canteen of the UPI GUK, lunch cost 18 kopecks, and if there is money, a block lunch for a frantic 38 kopecks was a quarter later, but there was also a glass of sour cream and a funky vegetable salad.
      1. alstr
        alstr 28 December 2020 23: 11
        0
        At different times and in different conditions it was different.
        Usually cheap lunches were on coupons of the enterprise in their own or lured canteen.
        If a person came from the street, then the prices were different.
        As far as I remember, in our school (Leningrad) in the mid-80s, lunch cost 35 kopecks. And my father at work has about a ruble (but first, second, compote and salad).
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 27 December 2020 17: 55
    +4
    Quote: Sahalinets
    In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles. Would you try to live on this money ...

    In 1984, a ticket for the Syktyvkar-Minvody plane (with a stopover in Cheboksary) cost 48 rubles. For the remaining 22 rubles, for that money, a pensioner could settle there in a modest hotel and hang out for five days with wine and "lyulyakebabs" from public catering. Now a pensioner can fly there on his average 14 thousand hayms, sleep on the heating main for a couple of days, compete with local bums and gnaw the bark of trees. For some reason, the promised Siluanovskaya TRUNK OF GRUBLES could neither improve the standard of living, nor expand the geography of travel of our pensioners further than 100 meters from the dacha.
  • Aag
    Aag 27 December 2020 18: 14
    +4
    Quote: Sahalinets
    In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles. Would you try to live on this money ...

    Many did not try, but lived. I judge by my grandmothers. One has 60 rubles, another has 90 rubles. And they were quite happy ...
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 27 December 2020 18: 37
    +2
    Quote: Sahalinets
    In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles. Would you try to live on this money ...

    And it is necessary to explain why there was such a pension? After the revolution, war, constant threat from outside?
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 28 December 2020 19: 22
    +1
    Quote: Sahalinets
    In 1980, the average pension in the USSR was 70 rubles. Would you try to live on this money ...

    A pro-Putin capitalist? laughing In 1980, being a senior laboratory assistant in a research laboratory in the field of nuclear physics, I had a salary of 110 rubles. Enough for a living, beer and Cuban cigars. I wish I had those opportunities now! Why are there cigars today?
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 27 December 2020 08: 30
    -4
    before everything was good even if it was bad right now they write that the other way around. for about the same salary.
  • Avrora17
    Avrora17 27 December 2020 09: 56
    +7
    Quote: Crowe
    Further it was possible not to write anything. Whoever found the USSR and can compare life then and now, this is understandable.

    Definitely, like heaven and earth ... It is a pity for children and grandchildren, they live one day, but we remember for generations planning life, etc. And they were absolutely sure of the future and under full protection .. But some did not like it and they achieved their goal in the 90s by brazenly deceiving the peoples of the USSR and robbing them.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 27 December 2020 10: 00
    -7
    "Who found life in the USSR and can compare"
    That one, if he is of sound mind and a firm memory, will say that everything is not one designation, if it were as beautiful as it is described, then the USSR would not collapse.
    If we take the purely material aspect, then progress is going on, such material
    citizens did not have funds in Soviet times.
    But there was no such stratification that most strongly affects the self-consciousness of many people, and there was no such competitive struggle for a place in the sun.
    There were also enough injustices then, which was reflected, for example, in thousands of jokes about black and red people, patricians - party members, etc.
    In order for prosperity to grow, one must not be uselessly nostalgic, everyone must, as they say, take an active life position, i.e. to work, including by hand, and not wait for the help of guest workers, create a GDP so that it is not in 50th place per capita, otherwise it will not be enough for the social. good protection, as much as possible harm to various bastards from among the bourgeoisie and other evil spirits, so that they steal less, go to meetings of tenants, go to elections, write applications, etc.
    This is called civil society, and hoping for the coming of a good king is silly.
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 27 December 2020 10: 41
      0
      Quote: Alekseev
      citizens did not have such material resources during the Soviet era. But there was no such stratification that most strongly affects the self-consciousness of many people.
      I completely agree with you. Today a worker or office worker with a salary of 70 tr / month complains of "poverty" because around him he often sees such houses, cars, things that he cannot even dream of. How and where people live for 12 tr / month, what they eat and what they wear, he is not at all interested.
  • Alexander Zhigunov
    Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 14: 58
    -10%
    That's right, then you drove a Bentley, rode your own yacht to Bermuda, now you have to walk and live in Khrushcheb
  • Cron
    Cron 27 December 2020 15: 14
    0
    Quote: Crowe
    Further it was possible not to write anything. Whoever found the USSR and can compare life then and now, this is understandable.

    Personally, I don't understand. Everyone, apparently, has his own idea of ​​what now, what then
  • iouris
    iouris 27 December 2020 18: 55
    +5
    Quote: Crowe
    Those who have found the USSR and can compare life then and now, this is understandable.

    Why compare with the USSR? Compare with Portugal (the leader set a goal - to catch up with Portugal. Or have you forgotten?).
  • Belimbai
    Belimbai 27 December 2020 04: 29
    +9
    Where is social protection better? .... As they say, a rhetorical question ..... HOWEVER! Did you vote for reforms? ... For Yeltsin? For a bright future .... which capitalism ....? Get it ..... And it's too late now to wave a rake .... finish building capitalism ... reform to social capitalism ... somehow it will become closer ...
    // ... the only pity is to live in this wonderful time
    You won't have to - neither me nor you. //
    1. apro
      apro 27 December 2020 04: 38
      +11
      Quote: Belimbai
      .reform to social capitalism ... somehow it will become closer ...

      There is no such thing as social capitalism ... everything that the class of hired workers can knock out from the capitalists in the struggle, it will get it ... and not a taller or eurekom more ..
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 27 December 2020 05: 19
        +6
        Quote: apro
        Quote: Belimbai
        .reform to social capitalism ... somehow it will become closer ...

        There is no such thing as social capitalism ... everything that the class of hired workers can knock out from the capitalists in the struggle, it will get it ... and not a taller or eurekom more ..

        even like that, "in the west", it turns out more "knock out", the difference in pensions * times, as it does not warm.
        1. apro
          apro 27 December 2020 05: 26
          +3
          The airfield ... so there both the capitalists are richer ... and the hired workers are more organized ...
        2. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 27 December 2020 08: 33
          -6
          I directly see the call for a riot in Germany, they say, hatim like in Sweden. By the way, what about the old rate / 2? and on the purchasing power of the full service for all goods / 2? and with the amendment that they all have unpaid debts, which has already caused a crisis and is far from for a covid reason, but banal non-payment when everyone owes 100500% of annual gdp to everyone, they will stop borrowing right now and will give 5% of gdp, they are 15% of the budget and after 25 years will extinguish))) but no, never. in england Brexit and retirement from 65 years already 10 years how and what? in a rich country they didn’t find funds right? panda get out? the very one that is English.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 27 December 2020 10: 46
            +8
            Quote: Evil Booth
            I directly see the call for a riot in Germany, they say, hatim like in Sweden. By the way, what about the old rate / 2? but in terms of purchasing power


            1. Alexy
              Alexy 27 December 2020 13: 57
              +2
              Stop spreading fakes. Sweden and Germany are undoubtedly richer than Russia. But Russia's GDP per capita is not 9,97, but 29 (PPP). And the nominal is also not 9,97, but 11,5. Swedish and German are listed on PPP, right?
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 27 December 2020 16: 45
                -3
                Quote: Alexy
                Stop spreading fakes.
                And live on what? They write, "there is nothing to live on," so they spread it, they have not found another use for themselves.
              2. Aag
                Aag 27 December 2020 19: 03
                +3
                Quote: Alexy
                Stop spreading fakes. Sweden and Germany are undoubtedly richer than Russia. But Russia's GDP per capita is not 9,97, but 29 (PPP). And the nominal is also not 9,97, but 11,5. Swedish and German are listed on PPP, right?

                I remember, not so long ago, all the domestic media, against the background of falling GDP in the Russian Federation, through the lips of seasoned economists argued that GDP is not an indicator at all (I'm talking about the gross product, if that ...))), they say, how to count, interpretations are possible ...
                Almost convinced))). Therefore, I judge by how much the people shrugged ... It's not about those who, instead of Bali, Turkey, are forced to go to Sochi. am
                1. Alexy
                  Alexy 27 December 2020 21: 02
                  +2
                  Well, the crisis is in the yard. Or are you not used to capitalism yet?
                  1. Aag
                    Aag 27 December 2020 21: 08
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexy
                    Well, the crisis is in the yard. Or are you not used to capitalism yet?

                    No, I'm not used to it, I'm trying to adapt TEMPORARILY.
            2. Evil Booth
              Evil Booth 27 December 2020 14: 06
              -2
              I still want to overthrow the Merkel and live like in Sweden ... laughing tongue love
            3. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 17: 12
              +4
              Sylvester! drinks Maybe it's enough to entertain adults with pictures? We, too, are not all bad with individual social protection:
              As reported, Rogozin declared income for 2018 at 29,5 million rubles (more than 460 thousand dollars at the Central Bank rate for today). Meanwhile, the maximum salary of NASA leaders is 250 thousand dollars a year (before taxes or after, not specified).

              Or ... If the citizens of Russia increased their pensions and salaries by 6, 3%, then ...
              The state of the President for the year increased by 12% in comparison with the figures for 2018.
              The total income of which for 2019 is less than 10 million rubles or 810 thousand per month.

              Or ... So Denis Manturov became the leader in terms of income in the Government for 2019. The Minister of Industry and Trade earned more than 586 million rubles, or 48,8 million a month, or 1 million 627 thousand rubles a day.
              Therefore, we do not need "la-la" ... lol
          2. andrew42
            andrew42 28 December 2020 19: 00
            +1
            Rebellion is not the method. There is no organized political force, that's the trouble.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 27 December 2020 08: 25
        +17
        Quote: apro
        There is no such thing as social capitalism ...

        For our country, this is just as true. But not really for China. Communist leader
        Xii Jin Ping officially announced the building of socialism in China several years ago.

        In some European countries (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) they say that they already have socialism in fact. And you know, this is very close to the truth. These states have the highest (in comparison with Russia) social protection.
        1. apro
          apro 27 December 2020 08: 41
          +7
          Quote: Stas157
          And you know, this is very close to the truth.

          Where the surplus value goes into the pocket .... capitalism. Everything without options. For the rest, see the comments above.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 December 2020 12: 53
            -2
            There will be no business without surplus value - since the development of business needs money, the state will not give it to a private trader - your business is you and do it, so that business for surplus value has every right. You do not live in the USSR where all enterprises, from the smallest to the largest, were controlled by the state and everyone was paid salaries from a common boiler and also distributed everything.
            1. apro
              apro 27 December 2020 12: 58
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              There will be no business without surplus value - since the development of business needs money, the state will not give it to a private trader - your business is you and do it, so that business for surplus value has every right.

              Yes, I agree, but I don't call it socialism ...
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 27 December 2020 10: 43
          +3
          Quote: Stas157
          Europe (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland) declare that they already have socialism

          Until they see with their own eyes, they will not believe. And when they see, they will be horrified how you can live
        3. Alexy
          Alexy 27 December 2020 13: 58
          0
          Yes, and with the highest tax rates in the world.
        4. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 27 December 2020 18: 46
          -1
          Quote: Stas157
          officially announced the construction of socialism in China.

          But in reality, National Socialism is being built. With oligarchs, militarism and other unity of the Kungfu nation, without any right to self-determination.
          Quote: Stas157
          In some European countries (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Iceland), they claim that they already have socialism in fact.

          Another nasty deceitful declarator.
          Quote: Stas157
          These states have the highest (in comparison with Russia) social protection.

          At the same time, they prefer to import blacks instead of taking adequate measures to increase the birth rate.
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 27 December 2020 10: 41
        +2
        Quote: apro
        whatever the class of wage earners can knock out from the capitalists in the struggle.

        Swedes, Norwegians, Finns knocked out? What class battles? It is necessary to steal less and not to go into geopolitics, but to develop your country. Now we are repeating the path of the USSR - in Cuba, we cover with golden domes, we forgive the fraternal Papuans' debts, we are fighting on all fronts. Where can I get all the money?
        1. apro
          apro 27 December 2020 10: 43
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          Swedes, Norwegians, Finns knocked out?

          Have you studied the history of these countries?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 27 December 2020 11: 02
            +5
            Quote: apro
            You have studied the history of these countries

            I was there
            1. apro
              apro 27 December 2020 11: 33
              -1
              And in Moscow, in the Kremlin?
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 27 December 2020 18: 49
          +4
          With regards to the Finns, there was a massacre between white and red there. Get rid of illusions, there is no right capitalism.
        3. Aag
          Aag 27 December 2020 19: 32
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: apro
          whatever the class of wage earners can knock out from the capitalists in the struggle.

          Swedes, Norwegians, Finns knocked out? What class battles? It is necessary to steal less and not to go into geopolitics, but to develop your country. Now we are repeating the path of the USSR - in Cuba, we cover with golden domes, we forgive the fraternal Papuans' debts, we are fighting on all fronts. Where can I get all the money?

          I am not in favor of golden domes in Cuba. But you must agree that Russia's foreign policy by definition (historically ALREADY it happened, geopolitically, and for many reasons, ready to discuss later) cannot be similar to the listed countries!
          As for the Scandinavians, there is a lot to learn. And for a long time! Over the past hundred years, without any special image losses, relatively smoothly, without losing mentality, without breakthroughs, progressively ... hi
    2. nikvic46
      nikvic46 27 December 2020 06: 50
      +4
      Alexei. There's nothing you can do about it. And before the people wholeheartedly believed in their power, and now. Once she says, it’s right. We can argue here until the loss of pulse, but most of this is all to a light bulb. I judge by polls.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 27 December 2020 10: 48
        +6
        Quote: nikvic46
        And before the people wholeheartedly believed in their power, and now. If she says, then it’s right

        But it’s true! Serves it right! You have to pay for everything in life, especially for stupidity and stupidity
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 17: 18
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          But it’s true! Serves it right! You have to pay for everything in life, especially for stupidity and stupidity

          So Sharapov said:
    3. mat-vey
      mat-vey 27 December 2020 08: 21
      +7
      Quote: Belimbai
      Did you vote for reforms? ... For Yeltsin? For a bright future .... which capitalism ....? Get ....

      "AFERA ​​- Female gender. Unfair, fraudulent business, business, action.
    4. Lerik
      Lerik 28 February 2021 08: 30
      0
      in which direction do you propose to reform? towards better enrichment of the capitalists? not to reform them in the direction of their impoverishment.
  • apro
    apro 27 December 2020 04: 32
    +3
    Alas, having abandoned socialist principles, our state 

    The refusal was supported by the population and confirmed in the elections, which were completely democratic.
    To compare the USSR and the Russian Federation .. what is the point? The goal of the USSR is to build a society of general welfare. The goal of the Russian Federation is to create a society of individualists with the principle of everything for oneself beloved.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 27 December 2020 05: 02
      +16
      Quote: apro
      The refusal was supported by the population and confirmed in the elections, which were completely democratic.

      Was it such a joke of humor now? About the support of the population and democratic fair elections with a turnout of 146%? What planet do you live on, I would like to know.
      1. apro
        apro 27 December 2020 05: 14
        +6
        Quote: Crowe
        Was this a joke of humor now?

        Crow. I remember 91 ... everyone had a premonition. Now we will remove the communists from power and live ... Vidiki. gins, sausages, Japanese cars will be in bulk ... we will sell ourselves. money will be heaped up ... the market needs to be. otherwise the communists pay little. we ourselves will set the salary ... so it seems that the boys were not arguing, but adult men ... and walked and voted.
        1. Crowe
          Crowe 27 December 2020 05: 27
          +26
          I, too, Oleg, remember 91, and then I remember only one vote - the referendum on the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. 76,4% of those who voted answered "yes" to the question.
          1. apro
            apro 27 December 2020 05: 30
            +2
            Yes, there was such a Crow ... but in August for some reason everyone was against the puppies ... and ebn's support was really. They pinned their hopes on him.
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 27 December 2020 06: 04
              +7
              Quote: apro
              Yes, there was such a Crow ... but in August for some reason everyone was against the puppies ... and ebn's support was really. They pinned their hopes on him.

              That's right, they voted against the putschists, not against the socialist structure. It was those individuals who brought the country to the point that there was nothing to buy in stores except for tomato and birch juice.
              1. apro
                apro 27 December 2020 06: 16
                +4
                Quote: 1976AG
                It was those individuals who brought the country

                As if they, and not these, who came to power? The putsch is the last attempt to save the USSR against the background of general betrayal and indifference. It is clear that he was doomed to failure. There were no healthy communist forces left ..
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 27 December 2020 06: 20
                  +10
                  They are exactly. Because it was THEY who were in power. It was they who allowed the negative development of events. With the strongest army and the most powerful KGB, it is a shame to allow this in the country!
                  1. apro
                    apro 27 December 2020 06: 29
                    0
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    THEY

                    Quote: 1976AG
                    allowed

                    Quote: 1976AG
                    disgrace!

                    Key phrases of psychosis ... when it’s to blame and the rest have nothing to do with it. When the dirt poured on the communists in the cinema. From TV newspapers. Magazines ... everyone believed and gasped. And when the choice came ... then anyone but me ...
                    1. 1976AG
                      1976AG 27 December 2020 13: 31
                      +2
                      Quote: apro
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      THEY

                      Quote: 1976AG
                      allowed

                      Quote: 1976AG
                      disgrace!

                      Key phrases of psychosis ... when it’s to blame and the rest have nothing to do with it. When the dirt poured on the communists in the cinema. From TV newspapers. Magazines ... everyone believed and gasped. And when the choice came ... then anyone but me ...

                      Are you a psychologist to make diagnoses? Well, okay, when there is a problem with facts, it remains only so. Well, maybe you believed and gasped, but I didn't. I am not a correspondent, I had no opportunity to film and show my own reports on TV. They didn't print me in the newspapers either. But according to your logic, I and people like me are to blame. Bravo! Top of logic! Or something else ...
                      1. apro
                        apro 27 December 2020 13: 40
                        -3
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        But according to your logic, I and people like me are to blame. Bravo! Top of logic! Or something else ...

                        30 years have passed. And for some reason today they raised this question .. arranged? That something needs to be changed to study the situation. And not to chant and put koeyma. Do you want what was like then?
                      2. 1976AG
                        1976AG 27 December 2020 14: 23
                        +4
                        Firstly, this issue began to be raised much earlier, and not now, 30 years later. Secondly, who asked us whether we are satisfied with what or not? Third, what to study this situation, for you there is something incomprehensible, unknown in this situation? And who is chanting? The article is being discussed, nothing more. And yes, better as then than as now. For me, basic guarantees for security, education, housing, medicine are more important than luxury yachts and real estate for a handful of oligarchs.
                      3. apro
                        apro 27 December 2020 14: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        and not now in 30 years

                        But now it has become acute, with the pension reform, with the reduction of pension payments.
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Secondly, who asked us whether we are satisfied with what or not?

                        That is, constantly choosing one and the same person, you don’t know what it will do? But otherwise does not faith allow to unite around any party or organization to defend its interests? Or organization and discipline?
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        And who is chanting?

                        Quote: 1976AG
                        disgrace!

                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Third, what to study this situation, is there something incomprehensible, unknown for you in this situation?

                        What exactly does the population want? For me the main question. Or wants it as it was in the USSR. or what? the top will not voluntarily share. they are not interested in the population ...
                      4. 1976AG
                        1976AG 27 December 2020 16: 32
                        +1
                        "That is, constantly choosing one and the same person, you don’t know what it will do? But otherwise does it not allow the faith to unite around any party or organization to defend its interests? Or organization and discipline?"
                        Who chose the same face? This is another question. And how many real votes this person received is also a question. As Joseph Vissarionovich said, no matter how they vote, it is important how they count. Regarding the unification around the party .. And which party really protects the interests of the people? Not in words, not in deeds. Many speak the correct speeches, but only in order to win votes.
                      5. apro
                        apro 27 December 2020 16: 36
                        0
                        1976 ... You personally, what kind of party. What movement. What ideology do you consider your own? From here and dance ... you can not be for all good against all bad. Path nowhere.
                        And it's not about the elections ...
                  2. Aag
                    Aag 27 December 2020 20: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    Firstly, this issue began to be raised much earlier, and not now, 30 years later. Secondly, who asked us whether we are satisfied with what or not? Third, what to study this situation, for you there is something incomprehensible, unknown in this situation? And who is chanting? The article is being discussed, nothing more. And yes, better as then than as now. For me, basic guarantees for security, education, housing, medicine are more important than luxury yachts and real estate for a handful of oligarchs.

                    Sorry, gentlemen, comrades, compatriots, colleagues, comrades-in-arms (underline the necessary) that I butted ... It seems that you (I appeal to both sides of the dialogue, and everyone who followed the discussions), like me, had no idea what was happening then in the capital. Try to remember how the GKChP was presented to the media at that time? How and on what basis did the assessment of those events change? How did the attitude to 1917-18 change ... The winner writes history?
        2. mat-vey
          mat-vey 27 December 2020 08: 26
          +2
          Quote: apro
          As if they, and not these, who came to power?

          These are the ones - they knew everything in advance and still supported the wrong ones ...
          1. apro
            apro 27 December 2020 08: 31
            0
            Quote: mat-vey
            These are the ones - they knew everything in advance and still supported the wrong ones ...

            It happens .... what's the difference ..
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 27 December 2020 08: 33
              +2
              Quote: apro
              It happens .... what's the difference ..

              There is no ... But deception and swindle ... yes, it happens.
      2. Lerik
        Lerik 28 February 2021 08: 32
        0
        type "putschists" gobbled up everything in stores, and not the cooperators, at the behest of Gorbachev, did not take everything abroad?
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 27 December 2020 17: 06
      0
      Quote: apro
      in August, for some reason, everyone was against henchists
      All were, probably, who are so actively drowning today against the Russian Federation for the USSR or for "Western socialism" (their rhetoric merged into a common roar). I was for the putschists, for the defenders of the "White House" in August 91 and against Yeltsin (today I feel a little better about him).
      1. apro
        apro 27 December 2020 17: 10
        +2
        Quote: sniperino
        against Yeltsin (today I treat him a little better).

        Ebn is okay ??? from what positions?
        1. sniperino
          sniperino 27 December 2020 18: 44
          -5
          Quote: apro
          Ebn is okay ??? from what positions?
          From the standpoint of the attitude towards the successor, whom he nominated, or at least voiced his nomination by others. Although about "normal" you are a little that ... Instead of contempt, hatred for the enemy, after 10 years, there was some kind of pity for the drunk.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 17: 29
      +4
      Quote: apro
      Yes, there was such a Crow ... but in August for some reason everyone was against the puppies ... and ebn's support was really. They pinned their hopes on him.

      "Puppy" are those who swell ... laughing
      EBN did not have support, in the content that they are trying to instill in us. There was hatred and contempt for the HMS. And the gullible citizens were simply "shod" by promising them mountains of gold.
      The putschists could not even voice their demands. There was an impression that they were carrying out someone's order from above ... As if they were playing roles in a play directed by completely different people ... And their main goal was interspersed with the results of the popular vote - the preservation of the USSR.
      They made a mistake in EBN, pinned their hopes on Zyuganov, who in 1996 surrendered his own victory to EBN.
      Now tell me, why, with such hope, the people reached for a sober, athletic build (a former KGB representative) against the background of this outright obscenity and slobbering? Why did he receive such support in the first election?
      Remember, no one will give us deliverance ...
      1. apro
        apro 27 December 2020 17: 40
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Remember, no one will give us deliverance ...

        It remains only to find US ...
        The Russian bad habit of looking for a crowd leader ... rather than creating a sustainable management system based on practical ideology.
        1. Aag
          Aag 27 December 2020 20: 12
          0
          Quote: apro
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Remember, no one will give us deliverance ...

          It remains only to find US ...
          The Russian bad habit of looking for a crowd leader ... rather than creating a sustainable management system based on practical ideology.

          IMHO: keywords!
      2. andrew42
        andrew42 28 December 2020 19: 06
        0
        Yes, Gorby framed the putschists, used them in the dark, for the final discredit of the Party and the Soviet system. Then he poured it into the closet, retired as an Honorary German, and left Russia to torture Boris. Although Gorby himself was still Yegupop, he was an absolutely dependent figure, led and structurelessly controlled.
      3. Lerik
        Lerik 28 February 2021 08: 34
        0
        according to your version, how could Zyuganov declare victory and seize power? would one of the military divisions shoot Yeltsin and Ostankino with tanks for him?
  • Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 27 December 2020 05: 24
    +11
    Quote: Crowe
    Quote: apro
    The refusal was supported by the population and confirmed in the elections, which were completely democratic.

    Was it such a joke of humor now? About the support of the population and democratic fair elections with a turnout of 146%? What planet do you live on, I would like to know.

    together with the government.
  • New Year day
    New Year day 27 December 2020 10: 51
    +6
    Quote: Crowe
    About the support of the population and democratic fair elections with a turnout of 146%?

    This was later, under Putin. And so it was then, under Yeltsin
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 17: 40
      +2
      Quote: Silvestr
      This was later, under Putin. And so it was then, under Yeltsin

      Sylvester! We are adults!
      And then it happened ... This is how it was in Khabarovsk:

      And this is how it was in Yekaterinburg:

      And this is how it was in Kemerovo:

  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 December 2020 12: 58
    -2
    His shirt has always been and will be closer to the body - for all people all over the world and the USSR was no exception, as nature laid down.
    1. apro
      apro 27 December 2020 13: 01
      +3
      Quote: Vadim237
      His shirt has always been and will be closer to the body - for all people all over the world and the USSR was no exception, as nature laid down.

      There is such a thing ... only now you don't have to whine about the lost ... but to admit that we have done this, many lack the spirit .. and are looking for the guilty.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 27 December 2020 16: 55
    -5
    Quote: apro
    The goal of the Russian Federation is to create a society of individualists with the principle of everything for oneself beloved .. personal above society ..
    You do not stretch your goals across the country, they will break.
  • Van 16
    Van 16 27 December 2020 04: 38
    +20
    There was a Soviet magazine called Krokodil. In my opinion, now you can take from there any cartoon or feuilleton about social policy in the bourgeois West, and they will very easily describe our modern realities.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2020 05: 26
      +9
      Quote: Van 16
      There was a Soviet magazine called Krokodil. In my opinion, now you can take from there any cartoon or feuilleton about social policy in the bourgeois West, and they will very easily describe our modern realities.

      okay "crocodile" ...
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 27 December 2020 05: 47
        +12
        Those who are at the top today, perhaps Orwell and did not read, most likely for them the instruction was "Dunno on the Moon". It is trite, but true.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 27 December 2020 06: 35
          -2
          Quote: Van 16
          It is trite, but true.

          I would not say that.
          Orwell was a European Trotskyist, and his books were a parody of Soviet reality, including, although it is not entirely true to say so.
          The totalitarian regimes are being replaced by a more brutal regime, globalism. That is, put on a mask when entering the store. It's a joke.
          Quote: Van 16
          most likely for them the instruction was "Dunno on the Moon"

          Not certainly in that way.
          Nosov is a great Russian philosopher, one might say so, and his book is in no way inferior to Orwell's novels, and instructions ....... for them, it could not be in any way, everything is exactly the opposite.
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 27 December 2020 06: 03
        -4
        Quote: Aerodrome
        okay "crocodile" ...

        By the way, the heroes of Orwell's novel have a so-called: two-minute hate, something like a regular exercise.
        .....and then a disgusting howl and gnash erupted from the screen. From this sound the hair stood on end and the teeth ached. Hatred began.
        1. Fat
          Fat 27 December 2020 15: 32
          0
          Quote: bober1982
          and then a disgusting howl and gnash erupted from the screen. From this sound the hair stood on end and the teeth ached. Hatred began.

          This is not for "proles", but exclusively for members of the "external party"
      3. Mikhail m
        Mikhail m 27 December 2020 07: 34
        +7
        Long before Owell, Zamyatin wrote the novel "We". But there is no prophet in his own country.
  • for
    for 27 December 2020 04: 57
    +15
    Social assistance is now handouts to keep people in check. It's like charity from the rich, from the beginning to take away, and then to do good.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2020 05: 39
      +8
      Quote: for
      Social assistance is now handouts to keep people in check.

      just the one you can't talk about. I was frightened (the networks still work) that he was overthrown ahead of schedule .. they will be reset to zero, so the rating has to be restored with handouts.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 27 December 2020 05: 45
        +8
        just the one you can't talk about.

        The law on defamation was hastily passed by the State Duma so that the people would not say too much aloud.
        Now the people will do this in kitchens and bazaars ... the first series of attacks on the old rake begins in the modern history of Russia 1001. smile
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 27 December 2020 07: 14
          +5
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Now people will do it in kitchens

          Hardly.
          All these kitchen conversations are dissident amusements of the times of the developed USSR, the rotten intelligentsia was having fun.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 27 December 2020 08: 46
            +3
            Quote: bober1982
            ..... All these kitchen conversations are dissident fun of the times of the developed USSR, the rotten intelligentsia was having fun.
            hi laughing therefore ----- quotes and quotes only. .... the state should not ..... the poor have to turn off the electricity for the night ..... who have a small pension ---- idlers and parasites ...... for macaroshki ..... I don't like it status. ... EP zhahnula everyone ...
            Desirable with positions., Place of work
        2. krops777
          krops777 27 December 2020 07: 26
          0
          The libel law was passed hastily


          This law is a thousand years old, has always existed in one form or another. Everything was done so that the commoners did not talk too much.
    2. Evil Booth
      Evil Booth 27 December 2020 08: 37
      -14%
      do you want to pay with workdays like 100 years ago? or like kicks 200 years ago? maybe 2200 years ago with executions? tongue
      Already the whole planet was turned into a semi-dusty bowl of gold ... and then a lot of you so poor seized to the trough divided? and what did those with whom they shared? everything swelled in mass. Yes Yes yes

      What help do you need? is everything everywhere free? Wow Wow! and so that the bosses were not and they received tsokazhe ... damn how? rebelled against everything then the king and then the system .. BUT EVERY LEZ TO EAT AND NOT A DEAL)))
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 27 December 2020 18: 59
        +1
        Stop using substances. They are detrimental to your already deplorable state of mind.
        1. Evil Booth
          Evil Booth 27 December 2020 21: 36
          -3
          urgently emigrate enough to save everyone here! save yourself))
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 28 December 2020 11: 23
            0
            You do not need to save nafig. Rather finish off.
            1. Evil Booth
              Evil Booth 28 December 2020 12: 03
              -2
              psychopath? What kind of cauldron is the lad from? Whose cream do you need masks? what is your plan of salvation? the finishing move has grown and then hurt again ...
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 28 December 2020 13: 55
                +1
                Get treatment liberal. Tie up with substances.
                1. Evil Booth
                  Evil Booth 28 December 2020 20: 12
                  -2
                  so whose Crimea is that? trump or biden won? how much gas is already 7,5 instead of 3,2 and was 0,75!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 27 December 2020 05: 10
    +16
    The savage grin of capitalism is covered up with the so-called social protection, so that they would not be so scared. That's all for a short time.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2020 05: 40
      +6
      Quote: Captive
      The savage grin of capitalism is covered up with the so-called social protection, so that they would not be so scared. That's all for a short time.

      it would be better not to touch ... everything that is touched turns into a threshing floor.
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 27 December 2020 05: 27
    +14
    The most important social protection in the USSR was payment for utilities. Then - "penny", and now - half of the pension. And on this topic is imposed everywhere - TABOO !!!
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2020 05: 42
      +5
      Quote: Michael55
      The most important social protection in the USSR was payment for utilities. Then - "penny", and now - half of the pension. And on this topic is imposed everywhere - TABOO !!!

      at a time when Ryzhy's parents were friendly organisms, the condoms were not of very good quality ... so they got it.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 27 December 2020 17: 21
      -4
      Quote: Michael55
      And on this topic is imposed everywhere - TABOO !!!
      How risky you are, you break the "taboo" ... You still wrote the truth, there would be no price!
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 27 December 2020 05: 33
    -7
    Nice man, what nonsense about the type of free pensions? Yes, there were no official insurance contributions from salaries, but there were insurance contributions from enterprises, and it was allocated from the budget. Well, all the same, all the same, it was financed by citizens, the same eggs, only on the side.
    Or do you think that budget funds in the USSR appeared out of thin air? Well, then, in terms of development, you are like a Russian peasant of the XNUMXth century, who believed that the treasury fills itself, does not burn in fire and does not sink in water ...
    The peculiarity of the Soviet system is precisely that people were paid very little, and most of the money they earned went straight into the pocket of the state and then it distributed itself - the apartments were supposedly free of charge, and so on ...
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2020 05: 47
      +9
      Quote: Sahalinets
      The peculiarity of the Soviet system is precisely that people were paid very little, and most of the money they earned went straight into the pocket of the state and then it distributed itself - the apartments were supposedly free of charge, etc.

      Why is there nostalgia for the strong Ocean Fleet, for rent of 3 rubles, for kindergartens and pioneer camps for free, for apartments "supposedly free" ??? uncle ... you-?
      1. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 27 December 2020 06: 38
        -11%
        Yes, there was generally heaven on earth! laughing
        1. polar fox
          polar fox 27 December 2020 14: 06
          +7
          Quote: Sahalinets
          Yes, there was generally heaven on earth! laughing

          the longer I live, the more I am sure that the USSR was a real paradise, in comparison with the current "growth"
          1. Evil Booth
            Evil Booth 28 December 2020 12: 04
            -1
            how rigorously you work out your beloved homeland Siberia on candy boxes and smear any other things on cotton wool and other Russia. probably waiting for separatism in Catalonia? Did you live like Texas?
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 27 December 2020 06: 14
      +9
      But even this "very little" under that system was enough in order not to worry that you will have nowhere to live, nothing to eat. People could easily afford to go somewhere on vacation, without saving up for this for months and at the same time not being afraid that after the trip they would remain naked.
  • ruben morelli
    ruben morelli 27 December 2020 05: 45
    +8
    It's time to return to socialism, the people demand this, 56% of those polled want to return to the USSR, the liberals must be defeated. Yes you can.!!
    Russia will again become the envy of the West!
    1. apro
      apro 27 December 2020 05: 51
      +11
      Quote: ruben morelli
      It's time to return to socialism, the people demand this, 56% of those polled want to return to the USSR,

      They want to return ... but do not want socialism. However, it imposes serious restrictions. Makes great demands on people. Socialism is not for consumers, but for creators with a firm civic position and responsibility.
      1. ruben morelli
        ruben morelli 27 December 2020 06: 33
        -11%
        Of course, we are going to return when Putin, together with China, is paving the way for a new world order, this is a real trend, and this, given the events, quite thieving oligarchs, we will see it very soon, in addition, the Russian metropolis declares it!
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 27 December 2020 06: 41
        +5
        Quote: apro
        socialism is not for consumers, but for creators with a strong citizenship and responsibility.
        We were like that until our brains were fired with propaganda about a new, beautiful life, without the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the scoop and collective farms ... And not even jeans and chewing gum, but ordinary hunger, pushed us to these changes ...
        1. apro
          apro 27 December 2020 06: 45
          +1
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          And not even jeans and gum, but ordinary hunger, pushed us to these changes ...

          Was it and when did you have a hunger? I lived at a different time? But the dead were not lying in the corners ... and the garbage dumps were not woolly like now.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 27 December 2020 06: 48
            +2
            And so that even for bread there was no money ... And I did not see the dead, and they did not rummage through the garbage - there was nothing there ... They lived from the garden, but their grandmother's pension.
            1. apro
              apro 27 December 2020 06: 54
              -1
              In the fall of 90 I came from the army. The only strained with cigarettes. The salary was paid. The delays began after 94 ...
              1. nerovnayadoroga
                nerovnayadoroga 27 December 2020 23: 26
                0
                Young, maiden's memory ..., from 85 already started to deal with cooperatives and began to launder and privatize, with a humpback ...
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 27 December 2020 09: 07
              +1
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              And so that even for bread there was no money ... And I did not see the dead, and they did not rummage through the garbage - there was nothing there ... They lived from the garden, but their grandmother's pension.

              Yes, if a pensioner in the family --- it was big +++. Guaranteed income.
              But ..... I remember conversations that my grandmother had a retirement break for several months
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 27 December 2020 09: 23
                +2
                Yes, there were breaks ... We got out as best we could.
        2. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 27 December 2020 08: 02
          +9
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          And not even jeans and gum, but ordinary hunger, pushed us to these changes ...

          artificially created.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 27 December 2020 08: 06
            +5
            This is what I meant! hi
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 08: 53
          +2
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          but ordinary hunger pushed us to these changes ...

          What year are you talking about? That there was no money for bread?
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 27 December 2020 09: 25
            +2
            These were the "holy nineties"!
            Do you think we sat without bread on a whim?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 09: 31
              0
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              These were the "holy nineties"!

              Well, now I periodically meet old women who ask for bread.
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 27 December 2020 09: 35
                +5
                I am not a beggar or a poor man. I worked, moonlighted, planted potatoes and looked after two grandmothers ... We did not ask for bread. No need to juggle. It doesn't do you credit. hi
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 11: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  We did not ask for bread.

                  You did not ask, so others asked.
                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  Do not distort.

                  And in my thoughts was not. I remember a fight between two grannies over an empty bottle in a gangster style: "This is my territory!"
                  1. Uncle lee
                    Uncle lee 27 December 2020 11: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    others asked.

                    I am not responsible for others ...
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    because of the empty bottle
                    Ha! You have not seen how Pasha's stroke helicopter swept the competitors in collecting bottles in the bucket of the Kholmsky Shipyard! Early 70s ...
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 11: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: Uncle Lee
                      You have not seen how Pasha's stroke-helicopter swept the competitors collecting bottles in the bucket of the Kholmsky Shipyard! Early 70s ...

                      I believe. I lived next to the forest plantation, so our grannies went for bottles like mushrooms. And we also collected. What? One Cheburashka, here's at least for a movie, at least for ice cream.
                      1. Uncle lee
                        Uncle lee 27 December 2020 11: 27
                        +3
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        we also collected

                        And it was not considered shameful ...
                  2. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 27 December 2020 12: 41
                    +1
                    ...... because of an empty bottle. .....
                    yes, I heard about this, I also heard that it is better to collect bottles late in the evening, until morning came.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 12: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      that it is better to collect bottles late at night

                      Now cans are collected, but bottles, specifically from us, are not accepted. In addition, there are so many varieties of them that it is almost impossible to sort them out.
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 27 December 2020 14: 06
                        0
                        . Now the banks are collecting. ......
                        Then, too, they collected, for this, without shame they climbed into the urn in front of everyone, trampled, crushed and hid in a p / e bag. But it was then And now somehow I did not see it and did not think about it. How what
                        We used to have a place near the post office, where grandmother's pension was, where everything was accepted except for waste paper. The queue is huge.
                        Previously, people who drink would carry folded boxes on carts to hand over in huge bales. ...... I have not seen such heavy drinkers for a long time. ...... probably all died a long time ago.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 15: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        And now somehow I did not see it and did not think,

                        They climb at night, often seen in summer.
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        probably all died.

                        Nearly.
                      3. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 27 December 2020 15: 55
                        0
                        That's what happened! Realized! People, individual farmers, therefore, do not climb anywhere! With us anyway. The Tajiks begin their revenge early in the morning. They find something. In the daytime a Tajik guy rides a bicycle and looks for and collects something with a stick and a pin. At the same time, their elderly aunt walks under the windows and also searches and collects. Well, in the evening, by itself. And if I’m going to put something oversized in the trash, I’ll just take it out the door, when the janitor will immediately call and ask if I can pick it up. Service
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 16: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        The Tajiks begin their revenge early in the morning.

                        Here are the wipers and climb. I had a nocturnal lifestyle for a while, I saw.
                      5. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 27 December 2020 16: 42
                        0
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        ...... Here are the wipers and climb. I had a nocturnal lifestyle for a while, I saw.
                        What is it at 3 in the morning? At 5 already 6-8 Tajiks in the yard
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 18: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        What is it at 3 in the morning?

                        Yeah, something like this.
                      7. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 27 December 2020 18: 14
                        0
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        What is it at 3 in the morning?

                        Yeah, something like this.

                        I wonder what kind of money is collecting?
                      8. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 18: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        I wonder what kind of money is collecting?

                        As a nonferrous metal, I don't know how much a kilo of luminium is worth now.
                      9. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 27 December 2020 19: 07
                        +1
                        My school time in the 90s had to be and you can see it all in detail in the first seasons of "Streets of Broken Lanterns. So everything was in our city then, such streets, such houses, such markets and collapses. Then it seemed normal. Stalls were ugly. Now it seems wild some .......
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 27 December 2020 09: 03
    +4
    hi Vladimir, remember that this famine was provoked. Recently in a conversation, Tatyana recalled how they did not pay their salaries for six months, but people went to work. I still had to get to work. come there in clothes, and not in your home and take food .... what shishi? At the same time, the family's opportunities became less. And if two people in the family do not get paid?
    At the same time, there were coupons for groceries and commercial prices began. Did not have time coupons --- they are then invalid
    At the same time, all sorts of slanderous things were spread. ...
    Yes, it was, they were pushing, they were doing the appropriate work. ....
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 27 December 2020 09: 31
      +2
      Quote: Reptiloid
      ... And if two in the family

      And the two of us worked in the Order of the Red Banner of Labor of the Sakhalin Shipping Company! I am a group communications engineer, mine is a radio operator at the radio center ... And I worked part-time at GAZ-63 ...
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 27 December 2020 10: 23
        +2
        Until 91 we lived in the north of the Khabarovsk Territory and our parents were in the State Geological Survey, now my mother recalls that, in principle, the supply was good, the shortage of something was primarily related to navigation and the fact that not everything could be delivered, and geologists always bought for future use Most of them at work were distributed. And sometimes there were also pre-war warehouses buried in the permafrost. I remember it. So the events before 91, the deficit itself, according to the recollections of relatives, employees at work, and there is a thick book ---- USSR at sunset.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 27 December 2020 10: 26
        +1
        ..... I worked part-time at GAZ-63 .....
        this was real earnings, in the evening, on weekends. Then to work. The population was exhausted on purpose, as I understand it.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 27 December 2020 17: 29
    0
    Quote: apro
    socialism is not for consumers
    One could agree with this
    Quote: apro
    but for creators with a firm civic position
    It was necessary to look for them somewhere during the day with fire. At the top of the Communist Party and Komsomol throughout the country there were solid consumers, and they merged the system.
    1. apro
      apro 27 December 2020 18: 10
      +1
      Quote: sniperino
      It was necessary to look for them somewhere during the day with fire. At the top of the Communist Party and Komsomol throughout the country there were solid consumers, and they merged the system.

      Among the Russian people ... no? The party was fed by the people. Without him in any way. The living stream of purification did not work anymore ... the repressions were condemned.
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 27 December 2020 18: 13
        +1
        Quote: apro
        responsibility was gone.
        I agree, with one amendment: conscience usually disappears first, then fear and only then responsibility.
  • Alexy
    Alexy 27 December 2020 14: 03
    0
    And when, I'm sorry, Russia was the envy of the West ???
  • tasha
    tasha 27 December 2020 05: 48
    0
    You can talk and write a lot on this topic.

    So what do you, the author, suggest? When you wrote this article, what goal did you set for yourself?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 27 December 2020 06: 00
      +2
      So what do you, the author, suggest? When you wrote this article, what goal did you set for yourself?

      Well, he probably wanted to show that the state should still be socially oriented and the goal of a citizen (as well as the state) should not become a consumer for corporations and all kinds of companies, banks, but become a creator, inventor, builder of a better future in which there are no beggars and homeless people, in which there is no deceit and deception, injustice and violence against defenseless people.
      1. tasha
        tasha 27 December 2020 06: 05
        +2
        This is what you want to show, not the author hi
        The title of the article: "Social protection in the USSR and modern Russia - it's better not even to compare ...". Indeed, what's the point of comparing something?
        And by the way, our country's spending on social needs is about 40% of the budget. In China - about 10-12 ...
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 27 December 2020 06: 10
          +2
          Here it is necessary to take into account the population size in China and Russia.
          China's budgetary health spending under the “regular public budget” increased by 2018% in 8,5 to 1,57 trillion yuan (15,4 trillion rubles). Education spending totaled 3,2222 trillion yuan (31,58 trillion rubles), Xinhua reported. Russian federal budget expenditures amounted to 2018 trillion rubles in 16,7
          hi

          https://www.rline.tv/news/2019-01-30-raskhody-kitaya-na-zdravookhranenie-i-obrazovanie-v-tri-raza-prevysili-ves-byudzhet-rossii/
          1. tasha
            tasha 27 December 2020 06: 17
            -1
            Of course, and budgets to compare. You give the numbers, but how much is it as a percentage of the entire budget - no ... wink
            social security and employment - 2,7084 trillion yuan
            for health care and planned childbearing - 1,57 trillion yuan
            total budget for the item from the link: 18,3352 trillion yuan.

            More than the 10-12% indicated by me. But you can compare ...
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 27 December 2020 06: 20
              +2
              but how much is it as a percentage of the total budget - no ... wink

              I prefer military issues to my liking, and economics and accounting are just crazy ... brains smoke from numbers.

              smile
              1. tasha
                tasha 27 December 2020 06: 39
                +2
                The main thing that we all need to remember is that the spending of our country on social needs is a colossal burden on the budget. In theory, it would be necessary to optimize these costs, to make them more targeted or something ... But I'd rather not develop the topic. Because they shower me with slippers wink
                1. Lech from Android.
                  Lech from Android. 27 December 2020 06: 50
                  +1
                  But I'd rather not develop the topic. Because they shower me with slippers

                  Of course ... but all the same it is necessary to optimize in calmer conditions than now ... the tension in our society and on the borders of Russia is too bad and one careless action of the authorities can entail a number of troubles for the whole country ... we are going through the mine We are now in the field, we cannot be mistaken. hi
                2. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 07: 41
                  +4
                  Quote: tasha
                  The main thing that we all need to remember is that the spending of our country on social needs is a colossal burden on the budget.

                  The main thing to remember is the colossal burden on the budget - the maintenance of the army of managers and their guards. It's just a mockery of the citizens of the country to aim at:
                  In 2019, money will be allocated for the work of the presidential administration, which in total will amount to 9,649 billion rubles.

                  For comparison, I will give the costs of maintaining the subjects of the federation:
                  The Republic of Adygea - 23,2 billion rubles, the Altai Republic - 21 billion rubles, the Nenets Autonomous District - 6 billion rubles, the Republic of Kalmykia - 17 billion rubles, the Jewish Autonomous District - 1 billion rubles. ..What?
                  1. Aerodrome
                    Aerodrome 27 December 2020 08: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    .What?

                    modest ... but tasteful.
                  2. sniperino
                    sniperino 27 December 2020 17: 39
                    -2
                    Quote: ROSS 42
                    expenses for the maintenance of subjects of the federation
                    There can be no such item of expenditure. How did you twist it, maybe ...
    2. Aag
      Aag 27 December 2020 20: 54
      +2
      Quote: tasha
      You can talk and write a lot on this topic.

      So what do you, the author, suggest? When you wrote this article, what goal did you set for yourself?

      Apparently, I wanted to expand the discussion in the comments ...) I must admit, I have succeeded - more than 330 already. In general, the whole article pulls only a prologue.
      ... On the other hand, what else can you write without risking falling under the recently adopted laws?
      Can you suggest something?) ... I'm writing it down.))))
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 27 December 2020 21: 00
        +5
        Quote: AAG
        Can you suggest something?) ... I'm writing it down.))))

        Colleague, everything is simple here, you can go outside and interview a dozen other fellow citizens and they will tell you about such executions of those in power, from which you will not sleep. yes
        1. Aag
          Aag 27 December 2020 21: 12
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: AAG
          Can you suggest something?) ... I'm writing it down.))))

          Colleague, everything is simple here, you can go outside and interview a dozen other fellow citizens and they will tell you about such executions of those in power, from which you will not sleep. yes

          I will prove the preference and sophistication of my options ... yes
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 27 December 2020 21: 24
            +4
            Quote: AAG
            I will prove the preference and sophistication of my options ...

            Believe me, the fantasies of fellow citizens will surprise you very much, and even I am a "true humanist" who proposed traditional but powerful methods and even exotic reeds was amazed. belay
            1. Aag
              Aag 27 December 2020 21: 35
              +1
              Quote: Stroporez
              Quote: AAG
              I will prove the preference and sophistication of my options ...

              Believe me, the fantasies of fellow citizens will surprise you very much, and even I am a "true humanist" who proposed traditional but powerful methods and even exotic reeds was amazed. belay

              Maybe it makes sense to work out a collegial opinion, to hold a referendum, at least on the scale of the VO? I am sure there will be an abundance of creative proposals, however, as well as zealous opponents ... hi
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 27 December 2020 21: 38
                +4
                Quote: AAG
                Maybe it makes sense to develop a collegial opinion, to hold a referendum?

                Great idea, though! And those supporters of a friend of friends will understand the fact that those of them who survive will become jealous of the dead.
                1. Aag
                  Aag 27 December 2020 22: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Quote: AAG
                  Maybe it makes sense to develop a collegial opinion, to hold a referendum?

                  Great idea, though! And those supporters of a friend of friends will understand the fact that those of them who survive will become jealous of the dead.

                  Well, really ... you are a humanist!
                  Let them quietly, peacefully live up to the minimum pension, on macaros, in a rented apartment, if the mortgage is not pulled ... There is a Far Eastern hectare, a lot of empty houses in abandoned villages. Not enough? Gasterbayters and their protectors need to fight a little ... Well, somehow I propose in terms of experience exchange ...
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 27 December 2020 06: 43
    +14
    Why go far))) in the 1980s, my neighbor worked as a cleaner for 80 rubles a month + worked part-time for 40 rubles = had 120 rubles a month = with this money she, a single mother, adequately supported her two children and EVERY year we went together with families for 2 weeks to rest in Anapa by the sea good

    and now?! am 80 rubles - this was then the minimum wage, now it is roughly 12500 rubles ... for 12500 rubles, tell me - you can live with dignity for at least 1 person ????
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 27 December 2020 08: 05
      +5
      Quote: Corona without virus

      and now?! 80 rubles - this was then the minimum wage, now it is roughly 12500 rubles ... for 12500 rubles, tell me - you can live with dignity for at least 1 person ????
      Reply
      Quote

      my pension is less ...
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 27 December 2020 08: 07
      -6
      Quote: Corona without virus
      in the 1980s my neighbor worked as a cleaner

      Quote: Corona without virus
      had 120 rubles a month

      As much as the Soviet engineer.
      But who needed such power, cleaning women and peasants, that's all flew into tar-tar-ry.
    3. Alexy
      Alexy 27 December 2020 14: 08
      -3
      There are many more temptations now. For many, 120000 is not enough for a family. So the comparison is irrelevant here. It's like comparing an apple and a pear.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown 27 December 2020 14: 11
        +2
        Quote: Alexy
        There are many more temptations now. For many, 120000 is not enough for a family. So the comparison is irrelevant here. It's like comparing an apple and a pear.

        The comparison is simple))) As Putin said, the middle class in our country is who gets 17000 rubles a month ...
        Single mother, 2020, two children, salary 17000 rubles per month ... will she be able to travel to the south with her family for 2 weeks every year? and what would be there otdvhat, not denying children nothing?
        1. Alexy
          Alexy 27 December 2020 14: 19
          -4
          About, "refusing nothing to children", you are disingenuous. I knew single mothers in the Soviet Union, but with one child, who worked as nurses. Yes, they had the opportunity to send a child to a pioneer camp once a year at the expense of the state / trade union. And resting at resorts with two children and at the same time not denying yourself anything is from the realm of unscientific fiction.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown 27 December 2020 15: 02
            +1
            Quote: Alexy
            About, "refusing nothing to children", you are disingenuous. I knew single mothers in the Soviet Union, but with one child, who worked as nurses. Yes, they had the opportunity to send a child to a pioneer camp once a year at the expense of the state / trade union. And resting at resorts with two children and at the same time not denying yourself anything is from the realm of unscientific fiction.

            I was on vacation with my family together with the cleaning lady's family - we were friends with families))) so vooot ... in anapa in the summer we were on the carousel katalsiy, and we ate ice cream, and even there were cakes in the cafe))) and imported stickers we bought, and even cassettes for tape recorders with "forbidden" songs))) in general, I don't remember that I or my friend would ask us to buy something on vacation - but we were refused)))))))))
  • north 2
    north 2 27 December 2020 07: 08
    +6
    in the USSR, pensions grew along with the growth of the well-being of those who worked and were not yet retirement age. If we compare pensions under Khrushchev and under the late Brezhnev, then it is obvious and we can even remember that under the late Brezhnev, children could even borrow money from their parents-retirees ...
    And under Khrushchev, pensioners could not boast of this. By the way, after Khrushchev, Brezhnev raised the country to such a level in just such a period of time, what a period of time
    now Putin is in power after Yeltsin ..
    Yes, even under Soviet rule there was such a stratum of retired people who earned their pension with their own language or the pen of a propagandist, and not with the hands of a steelmaker or the mind of a designer.
    and a doctor. These are very well characterized in the film "Forgotten Melody for the Flute" with the words:
    WE DO NOT FILL, DO NOT SEED, DO NOT BUILD
    WE ARE PROUD OF PUBLIC BUILDING.
    Of course, they also had to be supported on retirement, although they have not worked all their lives. But you can't compare it
    with that army of today's parasites, who will also have to pay a pension, although they are now
    also does not work anywhere. You cannot even imagine how many millions the army of these today's parasites consists of. who, as they grow old, will also have to pay a pension.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 27 December 2020 07: 34
      +2
      Quote: north 2
      These are very well described in the film "Forgotten Melody for the Flute" with the words:

      A vile anti-Soviet film, the director of the film is a fierce double-dealer who took advantage of all Soviet handouts, and as soon as this power of workers and peasants reeled, he began to shoot all this evil parody of Soviet reality. And note that the film was shot with Soviet money.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 27 December 2020 17: 48
      -1
      Quote: north 2
      If we compare pensions under Khrushchev and under the late Brezhnev
      Khrushchev's monetary reform sharply lowered the income of citizens.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 27 December 2020 07: 09
    +12
    When the Emergency Committee appeared on television, an opposition representative came to our plant. "We must declare disobedience to this committee." He was sharply answered, “Are you going to pay?” From this I concluded that the coup was made in two capitals. And the rest of the USSR remained passive to this. They say they know what they are doing upstairs.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 27 December 2020 07: 36
      -5
      Quote: nikvic46
      From this I concluded that the coup was made in two capitals.

      So after all, there was no coup, what are you talking about?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 27 December 2020 07: 26
    +9
    I read it, noted sound reasoning. In Soviet times, could a manager afford to talk to a female worker while sitting in an armchair at the table with his feet on it? Everything ... One thing is striking, even among the workers of social institutions there are still decent people. Capitalism did not kill human qualities ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 09: 21
      +8
      Quote: ROSS 42
      In Soviet times, could a manager afford to talk to a female worker while sitting in an armchair at a table with his feet on it? All...

      Not so long ago, on another site, they laughed at me when I wrote that our director greeted everyone by the hand, and tried to know everyone by name and patronymic.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 28 December 2020 07: 50
      -1
      Quote: ROSS 42
      In Soviet times, could a manager afford to talk to a female worker while sitting in an armchair at a table with his feet on it?
      Correct answer: it could, if the worker sits on it in a riding position. This is a leftist argument in favor of a supposedly high culture of leadership-subordination relations in the USSR: in the culture of the peoples of Russia, it is generally not customary to put your feet on the table if someone has not noticed. And about the rudeness and arrogance of our officials .... No need for sad things.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 27 December 2020 07: 28
    +7
    In addition to the main factors of social protection, there were also minor, but no less important for people. All repairs on communications were also free. This is the repair of electrical and gas wiring. Gas was carried out in many old houses back in the 50s. They will say that these houses will be demolished. And they are a historical value, which tourists admire. So it turns out, it's cute from above, it's rotten inside.
  • safar gafarov
    safar gafarov 27 December 2020 08: 48
    0
    jeans there was no cola gum
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 27 December 2020 08: 59
    +1
    The author exaggerates somewhat the "social paradise" of the USSR. Rural residents began to receive non-symbolic salaries and pensions only in "stagnation". In the 70s, my rural grandmother received a pension of 21 rubles. This was enough only for valocordin from the GDR. In addition, the state used almost free labor "in the fields of the country" of students, military men, etc. I cannot call 80 rubles a decent salary (like my mother's) for exhausting work. There are no questions about housing, education, medicine. For social justice, great. "Party, economic, Soviet workers", stars of "culture", the fathers of the criminal world - were few in number and behaved quietly.
    There was too much unemployment. I was always amazed that absolutely everyone (without experience) could "get a job" at their native shipyard. As a result, 1/3 - "plowed", 1/3 - warmed the "shtetl" of storekeepers, rationers, "guards", 1/3 - just wandered around the plant. With the weakening of the cruel Stalinist discipline, this led to the social degradation of some of the workers. In the village alone, they worked hard. Others, and there were a lot of them, at night used the slogan "everything around is collective farm, everything is around mine." Unemployment of 2-3% is quite justified.
  • tatra
    tatra 27 December 2020 09: 23
    +4
    The enemies of the communists are therefore cowardly "not to blame" for their seizure of Russia / the USSR, because they seized the country just to RETRACT everything from the country and the people - money, property, rights, social benefits, the history and culture of the country and the people - like the Soviet , and pre-revolutionary.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 27 December 2020 09: 29
    +1
    "People are never satisfied with the present and, having experience with little hope for the future, adorn the irreversible past with all the colors of their imagination". A.S. Pushkin.

    I will not tire of repeating, when we talk about the USSR, it is necessary to indicate which period, which leader do you mean, otherwise there will be a misunderstanding. It is not possible to put on a par with the times of Stalin and Gorbachev. One created, the other destroyed.

    According to the article.
    It makes no sense to compare the differently directed vectors of the economy in which in one of them a "paradise" was built for everyone and in the other - a "paradise" for individuals.
    1. tatra
      tatra 27 December 2020 09: 56
      +1
      Enough, in the manner of the enemies of the Communists, to cut off the historical periods, how you cut off your Perestroika from your anti-Soviet period, and the rule of Yeltsin, imposed by you on Russia and on the Russian people. RI -USSR -RF -all these are PEOPLE, and what they have done. And it is an axiom that the USSR is in EVERYTHING the best state for the country and the majority of the people, except for criminals and parasites on the neck of the people, which was the Republic of Ingushetia and the Russian Federation became.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 27 December 2020 10: 48
        +2
        Quote: tatra
        Enough to cut off historical periods in the manner of the enemies of the communists

        " History is not a teacher, but a warden. She does not teach anything, but only punishes for the unlearned lesson". Klyuchevsky

        I'm not talking about this at all, but if you have no difference in the periods of the reign of Trotsky, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev and Gorbachev, then these are your problems. They exist and they are significant:
        - Trotskyist-Leninist period. Genocide of the peoples of Russia;
        - The Stalin period. Creation, the world's first economy;
        - Khrushchev period. Slush, U-turn from building communism towards the West.
        - The Brezhnev period. Degradation of the country.
        - The Gorbachev period. Transfer of the country to a capitalist economy.
        Not seeing them means not understanding the course of history and repeating all its mistakes again.
        1. tatra
          tatra 27 December 2020 10: 55
          +2
          Trotsky never led Russia / the USSR, and the GENOCIDE of the Russian people was staged precisely by the raging against Lenin, from those who unleashed the Civil War after the October Revolution with the aim of overthrowing Soviet power, to those who captured Russia in Perestroika under the cowardly spells "and we nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame, "and before the" degradation "of the Brezhnev period, you, the enemies of the communists, like the moon. You have ruined ALL branches of Russia, and for 30 years you have been boasting not about the results of YOUR labor, but only about what you HAVE at the expense of someone else's labor and taken out of Russia.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 27 December 2020 10: 57
            -2
            Quote: tatra
            Trotsky never led Russia

            Hello, we’ve arrived. laughing

            You will compare the number of Trotskyists and Bolsheviks in the party and guess from three times who actually ruled when all party decisions are made by a majority vote.

            Quote: tatra
            before the "degradation" of the Brezhnev period to you, the enemies of the communists, as to the moon

            It was during the Brezhnev period that the Young Reframors were brought up, who destroyed the USSR.

            You ruined ALL branches of Russia

            It was you, the Trotskyist communists, who brought the country to perestroika.
            1. tatra
              tatra 27 December 2020 11: 03
              +4
              Ha, and then the Bolsheviks were brought up by the Romanovs? Is it Nicholas II, praised by the Russian enemies of the Communists and your Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Putin regime, who staged the October Revolution? And there is no need for senseless verbiage. Trotsky and the Trotskyists never ruled Russia / USSR.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 27 December 2020 11: 04
                -3
                Quote: tatra
                Trotsky and Trotskyists never ruled Russia / USSR.

                I feel sorry for you. You are looking at the checkers. Until. hi
                1. tatra
                  tatra 27 December 2020 11: 10
                  +2
                  That's all, blown away, kid. For more than 30 years of their "freedom of speech", which the enemies of the communists so longed for under the USSR, they proved that not one of them is capable of honestly, objectively, adequately, like a citizen of his country who wishes well to his country and people, to discuss the pre-revolutionary , Soviet, post-Soviet periods, WHAT and WHO is better for their country and people.
                  1. bober1982
                    bober1982 27 December 2020 11: 40
                    -4
                    Quote: tatra
                    Everybody blown away, boy

                    Boy, this is a word from the vocabulary of Ellochka the Cannibal, whose vocabulary, as you know, was thirty words.Boy, your whole back is white.
                    1. sniperino
                      sniperino 27 December 2020 15: 28
                      0
                      Quote: bober1982
                      Boy, this is a word from the vocabulary of Ellochka the Cannibal, whose vocabulary, as you know, was thirty words.
                      Then, at the end of the 20s, the communists cleaned out all the enemies, otherwise it would have been 32.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 28 December 2020 08: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Then, in the late 20s, the communists cleaned out all enemies

                        If that were so, then there would not be 38th.
                      2. sniperino
                        sniperino 28 December 2020 09: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Then, in the late 20s, the communists cleaned out all enemies

                        If that were so, then there would not be 38th.
                        The 38th, if you pay attention, is an internal showdown between the communist-Bolsheviks, which began immediately after the cleansing of their enemies, that is, from the end of the 20s. Without this, it was impossible to turn from the world revolution to the construction of a socialist state (this is not NEP for you).
                      3. Boris55
                        Boris55 28 December 2020 09: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: sniperino
                        this is an internal showdown between communist-bolsheviks

                        In the CPSU (b) from the very beginning there were communists-Bolsheviks and communists-Trotskyists. Confrontation, in the vision of what Russia should be, has been and will always be.

                        After the 1917 revolution, the Trotskyists had the advantage.
                        After the "Lenin draft" in 1924 and the expulsion of Trotsky in 1930, the purges in 1938, the Bolsheviks had the majority.
                        After the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks was renamed the CPSU in 1952, the majority again went to the Trotskyists, but the communists, the Bolsheviks on the ground, did not allow them to develop in full force ...
                        By the 90s, power had completely passed to the Trotskyists, incl. and "in the field".
                        Now the Bolshevik Putin is in power and he is in the same situation as the Trotskyists in 1952. - power "on the ground" under the control of the Trotskyists ...
                      4. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 28 December 2020 11: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Quote: sniperino
                        Then, in the late 20s, the communists cleaned out all enemies

                        If that were so, then there would not be 38th.
                        The 38th, if you pay attention, is an internal showdown between the communist-Bolsheviks, which began immediately after the cleansing of their enemies, that is, from the end of the 20s. Without this, it was impossible to turn from the world revolution to the construction of a socialist state (this is not NEP for you).

                        There is an interesting document on this topic, which just tells that the Bolsheviks were not so bloodthirsty in the 20s as the Liberota portrays them.
                        https://vk.com/wall-156278021_13891?z=photo-156278021_457242527%2Falbum-156278021_00%2Frev
                2. Boris55
                  Boris55 28 December 2020 08: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: bober1982
                  this is a word from the lexicon of Ellochka the Ogre

                  She does not even understand that speaking about the 30s, she admits that the current communists did not do anything to at least change something.

                  The only and last burst of their activity was during the monetization of benefits, when people blocked Leningrad and the government slightly retreated. All! The communists have a wealth of experience in the struggle for the rights of workers, but they do not use it ...
                  1. sniperino
                    sniperino 28 December 2020 09: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris55
                    The communists have a wealth of experience in the struggle for the rights of workers, but they do not use it ...
                    They have it from Marx, from his sympathy for the French (one of the 3 components of Marxism), whose revolutionary spirit was well formulated by Napoleon:
                    The main thing is to get involved in the battle, and then we'll see
        2. apro
          apro 27 December 2020 15: 02
          +2
          Boris, and who do you think the Trotskyists are? It's not entirely clear ... the Bolsheviks took power in a coalition ... with whom?
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 28 December 2020 08: 55
            +2
            Quote: apro
            who do you think the Trotskyists are

            Everyone who was in the party of Trotsky (Khrushchev).

            Quote: apro
            the Bolsheviks took power in coalition ... with whom

            Bolsheviks, Trotskyists, Socialist-Revolutionaries.

            The problem of all revolutions is in the cadres, which the new government lacked and the Bolsheviks had to unite with other parties. There were 8 times more Trotskyists, but they preferred to hide behind the backs of the Bolsheviks, so that in the future they would blame them for all their atrocities.

            As an example of today.
            The Duma has the Communist Party and the United Russia Party. Can the Communist Party of the Russian Federation be blamed for all the laws that the Duma adopted? Of course not, but the Bolsheviks, for what the Trotskyists have been doing since 1917, turns out to be possible.
            1. apro
              apro 28 December 2020 08: 57
              0
              Quote: Boris55
              Of course not, but the Bolsheviks, for what the Trotskyists have been doing since 1917, turns out to be possible

              It is difficult to name your position consistently ...
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 28 December 2020 09: 10
                +2
                Quote: apro
                It is difficult to name your position consistently ...

                I am against Trotsky, I am for the Bolshevik Stalin, even though they were both in the same party.



                Trotskyist Furmonov stands behind Chapay. Therefore, Vasily Ivanovich could not answer for another peasant. At that time, people still separated the Bolsheviks from the Communists (Trotskyists).
        3. andrew42
          andrew42 28 December 2020 19: 28
          +1
          Speak right about periods. As for the Brezhnev period, it is too categorical (in case of hopeless "degradation" they would not have made it to 1982), but that's right. Blind apologists of the "communist form" diligently close their eyes to the fierce inner-party struggle, emasculating the very socialist essence that Stalin's comrades once defended, and which Brezhnev's group tried to restore, although not completely and ultimately unsuccessfully. It is very convenient to interfere with the communists of all periods and mutually opposing political courses in one trough - it is more convenient to defame the idea as a whole. The new "red bourgeoisie" practically took shape in the 20s, but Stalin cut it off in time, forced to build socialism. It turned out that the Trotskyite roots are more tenacious than wheatgrass.
      2. Esoteric
        Esoteric 27 December 2020 11: 50
        0
        In July 1919, Lenin handed Trotsky a blank sheet of paper, at the bottom of which was a postscript: "Comrades, knowing the strict nature of Comrade Trotsky's orders, I am so convinced, absolutely convinced, of the correctness, expediency and necessity for the good of the cause of the order given by Comrade Trotsky. that I fully support this order. V. Ulyanov (Lenin) "
        RGASPI. F. 2. Op. 1.D. 27058. L. 1. The electronic image of the document is available at: http://lenin.rusarchives.ru/dokumenty/obrashchenie-vi-lenina-k-rukovodyashchim-rabotnikam-o-podderzhke-resheniya-ld-trockogo -na
        Already asked this question. Lenin is a Trotskyist?
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor 27 December 2020 14: 57
          +1
          Here is the point (in my opinion), 90% of the AUCPB consisted of representatives of the Jewish people, and Trotsky was their so-called. leader, so Lenin could not but reckon with Trotsky. They even at one time wanted to secede and create the EKPB (Jewish Communist Party of the Bolsheviks), but Comrade. Stalin did not want to do this, he already had a clear idea of ​​the path of the country's development.
          1. sniperino
            sniperino 27 December 2020 15: 18
            +1
            Quote: Nikon OConor
            even then he had a clear idea of ​​the country's development path.
            Only Stalin himself did not know about this, on the contrary, he said that without theory we were moving blindly, multiplying losses. I understood that his name would be slandered, but he did not know how to move forward so that the country would not bend.
        2. apro
          apro 27 December 2020 15: 03
          +2
          Quote: Ezoterik
          Already asked this question. Lenin is a Trotskyist?

          VILENIN used every opportunity to win the civil war and stop the mess.
    2. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 27 December 2020 14: 51
      +1
      + for objectivity
  • parusnik
    parusnik 27 December 2020 09: 30
    +3
    Now, for the most part, financing comes from the funds of the citizens themselves, accumulated with the help of the so-called "corporate social system", embodied in the form of various funds.
    .... Rescue of the drowning, the work of the drowning themselves .. smile Social protection, we were provided with amendments to the Constitution ... smile
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 27 December 2020 10: 04
    +3
    Recently, a law on out-of-court bankruptcy was passed. It would seem what a relief for people who took out loans for food, collect their children for school, and buy the same shoes. A working person has to use a credit card to buy shoes, huh. No comment, as they say.
    But there is only one catch in this law. You shouldn't have any income at all, not work anywhere, be naked like a falcon. And that the bank would sue you, and the bailiff, after checking you, decided that yes, poverty, and closed the enforcement case. Then you can think of it. The law is not applicable for the absolute majority.
    But the PR was what, they say, what a relief we made for the poor. But PR is one thing, but in reality it is quite another.
  • north 2
    north 2 27 December 2020 10: 39
    +1
    Quote: bober1982
    Quote: north 2
    These are very well described in the film "Forgotten Melody for the Flute" with the words:

    A vile anti-Soviet film, the director of the film is a fierce double-dealer who took advantage of all Soviet handouts, and as soon as this power of workers and peasants reeled, he began to shoot all this evil parody of Soviet reality. And note that the film was shot with Soviet money.

    I completely agree with you both about the director of this film and about the performer who sang
    this song. The only merit of this film is this song in the film. By the way,
    this song characterized Ryazanova and Gaft like how they behaved then, while the Soviet system was strong. That is, in their works they secretly shit on the Soviet system, and at meetings and congresses they were proud of the Soviet system and clapped their hands. So this song is like
    once about the rezanov-gafto-like, I meant this when quoting these words from that song. But Gaft with
    Ryazanov tried to portray themselves as very smart, but they did not even suspect that these
    people will take the words from the song as a characteristic of Ryazanovo-gafto-like ...
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 27 December 2020 11: 13
    +4
    The bottom line:
    A full ass is slowly approaching.
    When Pensioners from the USSR die out, the state-oligarchs will completely seize power and everyone else will be sent nafig
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 December 2020 13: 06
      -3
      "When Pensioners from the USSR will die out" - When the former communists in the current bureaucratic places where more than 60% of them will be overthrown, then order will begin as they are the main source of indifference, theft, corruption and co-caching throughout Russia in every region of the republic and region.
      1. tatra
        tatra 27 December 2020 14: 58
        0
        Yes, here is the 30-year-old ideology of the enemies of the communists, who have their big and huge salaries and incomes compared to the Russian people, because of which they are "better off now than in the USSR." no one bothers to plant anger and hatred against the Communist Bolsheviks, to demolish Soviet monuments, to rename the Soviet names of cities and streets, no one bothers either, but taking responsibility for Russia and the Russian people, working for their benefit and good, for 30 years Soviet communists.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 December 2020 18: 08
          -5
          Yes, so on corruption to look at the guys for the most part over 50, all mayors are chiefs and so on. The same former communists with a Soviet education.
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 27 December 2020 19: 17
        +5
        Yes of course. Are you tired of these myths. And before the communists, who interfered? Who managed to bring the country to revolution at the beginning of the last century three times? Thanks to whom the country lived in poverty while millions squandered on all sorts of crap in Europe? These people, with all the desire, can not be called communists.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 27 December 2020 12: 19
    -5
    "Secondly, gratuitous and free for citizens." Not when there was nothing free for everything, only people did not pay directly, but the state received money from what people did and the enterprises themselves from their labor - the author needs to hack it on the nose.
  • Alexy
    Alexy 27 December 2020 13: 27
    -1
    I really wanted to live under capitalism. What is whining now?
  • Uran53
    Uran53 27 December 2020 13: 36
    +1
    Leonid Roshal once said: if the state has abandoned free education and medicine, and plans are to refuse pensions, then why is such a state needed? It is difficult for him to understand that the Russia corporation, with its headquarters in the Kremlin, is sharpened, like any business structure, solely for maximum profit. With minimal costs. Therefore, when Putin talks about fighting poverty, it only means that the number of citizens who have not fit into the market will become even smaller.
  • Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 27 December 2020 14: 43
    +3
    My mother was probably the last one to receive a kopeck piece from the state in 93.
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 27 December 2020 14: 54
    +6
    1983 year. JULY. Turner. A professional worker approaches and declares, demands! that I would go to her and CHOOSE a ticket to a holiday home, a sanatorium and so on ... and so I went on vacation as a family of three for 33 (thirty-three rubles) to Bryukhovichi near Lviv for two weeks. We lived in a separate house in a pine forest! For reference: my salary at that time was about 400 rubles. Young people - dream and rush to Kannary, if parents send money from Geyrop, where they use a brush to clean toilets! Until it's not too late!!!
  • Alexander Zhigunov
    Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 14: 55
    -9
    This is not to mention absolutely free medicine, education

    Precisely, doctors and teachers worked absolutely free of charge, and schools, clinics and hospitals with the appropriate equipment appeared out of thin air. This could have been written either by an elementary school student or by a down-and-out senile.
    1. tatra
      tatra 27 December 2020 15: 13
      +1
      If you yourself have not understood something, then there is nothing to blame others for. In the USSR, there was free medicine and education for the people, the State paid for everything, and if someone wants to do it again according to the anti-Soviet manual, "but nothing is free," then let him answer, where, after the capture of the USSR by the enemies of the communists, the money that spent on great social benefits for the people under the USSR.
      1. Alexander Zhigunov
        Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 15: 14
        -4
        the State paid for everything

        And where did the state, that is, the party-owners of the nomenklatura, have the money for this?
        1. tatra
          tatra 27 December 2020 15: 22
          +2
          And this is money that, after the seizure of the USSR / Russia, goes into the bottomless pockets of the enemies of the communists. Large, huge, colossal, salaries and incomes of the enemies of the communists after the capture of the USSR did not fall from the sky, you took them from the incomes of the country and the people.
          1. Alexander Zhigunov
            Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 15: 26
            -4
            Once again, where did the Soviet state, that is, the party leaders of the nomenklatura, have the money to pay for everything, benefiting the workers and peasants completely free?
            1. tatra
              tatra 27 December 2020 15: 35
              +2
              Do the enemies of the communists have to chew everything up 100 times? The people in the country are like one big family - there are working adults, there are old people and children. And under the USSR, all the money earned by those who work went into the "common pot" and was spent on the whole family. And after the capture of the USSR by the enemies of the communists, part of this "family" redistributed a huge part of the income of the "family" in their favor, and threw "crumbs from the master's table" to the rest.
              1. Alexander Zhigunov
                Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 15: 57
                -4
                Fuck, one big family. So for the children, that is, the workers and peasants who generated profits, the parents, the party-household nomenclature decided how to spend the money of the children, here she was the children and benefited for the money of the children, but the folder with the mother did not forget themselves, special distributors, the legendary XNUMX section of hum, where Gagarin got the right to visit only ONE time, rest homes and special hospitals, naturally only for the folder with the mother. Needless to say, all this prosperity for the party-owners of the nomenklatura was paid for by children: workers and peasants. Personally, in my family it's different, I don't need such a Soviet family.
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 27 December 2020 14: 56
    +1
    They, tall inmates, will never repeat this, the wrong scale, the wrong people. SMALL FRY.
  • Jünger
    Jünger 27 December 2020 15: 05
    -5
    Since Soviet times, I have a fear of going into state polyclinics. Every nurse there on a campaign felt like a Grand Duchess. When I got to the state. hospital about five years ago, I realized that the situation has not changed much.
    So, well, her free medicine.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 27 December 2020 19: 20
      +2
      If you want a quick revolution and the collapse of the country, continue in the same spirit. Khabarovsk is the first flower.
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 27 December 2020 20: 07
        -3
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        If you want a quick revolution and the collapse of the country, continue in the same spirit. Khabarovsk is the first flower.

        Okay bro, whatever you say smile
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 27 December 2020 20: 58
          +2
          Do you even understand what the lack of free medicine is for our middle class with an income of 17 thousand?
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 27 December 2020 21: 09
            -5
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Do you even understand what the lack of free medicine is for our middle class with an income of 17 thousand?

            I can't fit into this, brother - I make good money. And he almost always made good money.
            I find it difficult to understand people who work for 17 pieces. I'm not talking about pensioners now, whom children should provide. And I'm not talking about women either.
            I'm talking about healthy men who do nonsense for such a salary and whine.
            They do not need free medicine, but a good pendel is desirable.
            1. vavilon
              vavilon 28 December 2020 10: 55
              +1
              Everyone can’t be you, but you can’t be them, without them you’re no one to call you, but they are “the people”
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 28 December 2020 11: 02
                -3
                Quote: vavilon
                Everyone can’t be you, but you can’t be them, without them you’re no one to call you, but they are “the people”

                Remember how Pyotr Arkadyevich used to say
                There have always been and will be parasites .... But the state should not be guided by them: only "the right of the capable, the right of the gifted created the right of property in the West." A capable, hardworking peasant - "the salt of the Russian land"

                So the people do not whine, do not drink, do not smoke, do not ask for handouts. The people work - they do it responsibly and well.
            2. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 28 December 2020 11: 21
              0
              You see, not everyone is smart and beautiful like you. And our economy itself is such that even if you try hard, you will end up with the same middle class working for food, well, probably a certain number of people in high-paying jobs will change and that's it. For millions of high-tech jobs have not yet appeared. And yet, yes, someone has to teach children, treat people, sweep yards, fix plumbing, and provincial engineers do not work for hundreds of thousands. And even 30-40 thousand is about nothing when the wife is on maternity leave with the child. And without a wife and a child about anything.
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 28 December 2020 11: 46
                -2
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                You see, not everyone is smart and beautiful like you

                This is how the state should focus on smart, beautiful and hardworking, native people. All others should follow the residual principle.
                If we are building an effective mechanism, then we must take high-quality gears and drives for this, and not the proletariat, relaxing after work with the use of hawthorn tincture.
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                And yet, yes, someone has to teach children, treat people, sweep yards, fix plumbing, and provincial engineers do not work for hundreds of thousands.

                There are private schools, private clinics. People there make good money. Good doctors make good money in the state. polyclinics.
                Yards can be swept by pensioners - this is just a task for them, the floors in the house can be washed by the residents themselves
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                And even 30-40 thousand is about nothing when the wife is on maternity leave with the child. And without a wife and a child about anything.

                Here are no fables. 40 is not bad for one person. I myself live on less.
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 28 December 2020 13: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Junger
                  This is how the state should focus on smart, beautiful and hardworking, native people. All others should follow the residual principle.

                  This residual principle led at one time to 1917.
                  Quote: Junger
                  If we are building an effective mechanism, then we must take high-quality gears and drives for this, and not the proletariat, relaxing after work with the use of hawthorn tincture.

                  Oh how. That is, you want to say that all these people like them are represented to you by your sick imagination of a liberal? So I'll tell you that this is nonsense. Yes, sometimes these people drink, but there are a lot of smart and beautiful like that among you. And sometimes they even drink too much, again like you are smart and beautiful. But for the most part these are not alcoholics and idlers, as you try to imagine these people.
                  Quote: Junger
                  There are private schools, private clinics. People there make good money. Good doctors make good money in the state. polyclinics.
                  Yards can be swept by pensioners - this is just a task for them, the floors in the house can be washed by the residents themselves

                  There is a lot. Who will be the client of these private clinics? Poor population? You are really insane liberals.
                  Quote: Junger
                  Here are no fables. 40 is not bad for one person. I myself live on less.

                  Give half of this money for a mortgage and a communal apartment, and now everything is not so rosy. And again, you ignored the inconvenient for you. If one can live poorly and poorly, then the family can support it at the level of extreme poverty and refusal in everything. In general, the usual liberal demagoguery.
                  1. Jünger
                    Jünger 28 December 2020 14: 32
                    -1
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    This residual principle led at one time to 1917.

                    Stolypin did not even have time to implement this principle. His fellow tribesman spanked him before that. Although you don't seem to be attracted to a Jew in conversation, they seem to think a little more.
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Yes, sometimes these people drink, but there are a lot of smart and beautiful like that among you. And sometimes they even drink too much, again like you are smart and beautiful. But for the most part these are not alcoholics and idlers, as you try to imagine these people.

                    And it looks like you, brother, love to drink and smoke like a proletarian laughing Vodka has killed many good people. Well, don't complain later that you can barely drag your legs to 60.
                    The Ministry of Health does not warn in vain ..
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    There is a lot. Who will be the client of these private clinics? Poor population? You are really insane liberals.

                    Any person should have an incentive. If he wants to be properly treated and study, then he must earn. And where is the goal and task of every independent adult.
                    I haven't seen a beggar for a long time. Earlier, I remember, we climbed through the trash heaps and collected the bottles. And I gave up.
                    Now there are none.
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Give half of this money for a mortgage and a communal apartment, and now everything is not so rosy.

                    Oh, don't drive me, for 13 years I rented the cheapest housing with mice and cockroaches while I earned an apartment. And I entered the mortgage and the house was not built for me in the end.
                    And I don't whine. Do you think everyone here except you was born with a golden spoon in their mouths or what?
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    family to keep it at the level of extreme poverty and denial in everything

                    So don't get married if you are not sure what you can pull. Baba is a luxury. And if you got married, then be patient and not noah.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 28 December 2020 19: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Junger
                      Stolypin did not even have time to implement this principle. His fellow tribesman spanked him before that. Although you don't seem to be attracted to a Jew in conversation, they seem to think a little more.

                      You wanted to say, the same as you are supporters of correct capitalism? The mind and this belief in holy investment and the invisible hand of the market are two different things.
                      Quote: Junger
                      Any person should have an incentive. If he wants to be properly treated and study, then he must earn. And where is the goal and task of every independent adult.
                      I haven't seen a beggar for a long time.

                      Thanks, Cap. And you still have a lot of such banal stuff? Only you again ignored what I told you liberal. People don't have this opportunity. Your success story as a middle manager or the owner of some rotten cafe or whoever you are there is so smart and beautiful, it only proves the rule.
                      Quote: Junger
                      Oh, don't drive me, for 13 years I rented the cheapest housing with mice and cockroaches while I earned an apartment. And I entered the mortgage and the house was not built for me in the end.
                      And I don't whine. Do you think everyone here except you was born with a golden spoon in their mouths or what?

                      Actually, you've already got it. I don't care where you have the spoon you were born with. And from what she threw. This does not change the essence of things.
                      Quote: Junger
                      So don't get married if you are not sure what you can pull. Baba is a luxury. And if you got married, then be patient and not noah.

                      How I need your advice, I myself will ask about it. Although this is unlikely. You are certainly smart, but clearly weak.
                      1. Jünger
                        Jünger 29 December 2020 12: 02
                        0
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Your success story of a middle manager or the owner of some rotten cafe or whoever you are there is so smart and beautiful, it only confirms

                        I'm a programmer, brother)) Programmers have a lot of money and respect. All their women.
                        And if you did not study well at school, work as a laborer and, moreover, married unsuccessfully, then capitalism is not to blame. And Lenin with all his Jews will not help.
                        You would have blown and talked about the unsuccessful universe under socialism.
                      2. IS-80_RVGK2
                        IS-80_RVGK2 29 December 2020 12: 06
                        0
                        In principle, I suspected something like that. This mixture of pathos, stupidity and arrogance is characteristic of IT people. Well, damn it, riveted a crooked site and immediately felt like a genius. laughing
  • Cron
    Cron 27 December 2020 15: 15
    -6
    Another propaganda has arrived
  • Oleg133
    Oleg133 27 December 2020 15: 24
    -9
    I, as having lived in the USSR for 23 years, I want to inform you descendants) there was little good in the USSR
    1. Alexander Zhigunov
      Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 15: 28
      -7
      Yes, this cannot be, but the storytellers say above that everything was free there, everything was high there, probably, at all, there was no need to die
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 15: 42
      +3
      Quote: Oleg133
      there was little good in the ussr

      But how! Speculator, or a parasite?
      1. Alexander Zhigunov
        Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 16: 02
        -5
        And the specialist didn’t work, didn’t provide a deficit for the suffering who didn’t want to stand in a kilometer line. And parasites were all sorts of party organizers and Komsomol organizers, only instead of the zone they received special distributors where not parasites were ordered to enter
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 16: 04
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Zhigunov
          And the specialist didn’t work, didn’t provide a deficit for the suffering who didn’t want to stand in a kilometer line.

          But how! Provided, a parasite.
          1. Alexander Zhigunov
            Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 16: 08
            -6
            For me, a parasite is some kind of lecturer on false science, Marxism-Leninism, and a speculator, was spinning around buying a product, looking for a client, the client took from him. What was the problem with the speculator not to buy, he would go broke and he would not exist
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 16: 15
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Zhigunov
              but a speculator, he was buying goods,

              And he also contributed to the creation of the deficit. Come on, everything is clear with you.
              Quote: Alexander Zhigunov
              What was the problem with the speculator not to buy,

              In what I had to look for myself.
              1. Alexander Zhigunov
                Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 16: 21
                -5
                Consequently, a speculator performed a useful function, helped people to acquire goods, but what did some lecturer on Marxism-Leninism do? He just chatted, not benefiting society, for which the workers and peasants were forced to support him from their taxes
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 16: 23
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Zhigunov
                  and what did some lecturer on Marxism-Leninism do? He just chatted, not benefiting society, for which the workers and peasants were forced to support him from their taxes

                  Tell this to Shpakovsky.
                  1. Alexander Zhigunov
                    Alexander Zhigunov 27 December 2020 16: 26
                    -5
                    I read his comments, he is notably mocking over the herd that he once nursed and lived well at his expense
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 16: 28
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexander Zhigunov
                      I read his comments, he is notably mocking over the herd that he once nursed and lived well at his expense

                      And you write it directly to him. Let's see what he says.
            2. vavilon
              vavilon 28 December 2020 11: 05
              +1
              He did not work, but parasitized because he simultaneously enjoyed all the social benefits.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 27 December 2020 19: 27
          +2
          That speculators, that all sorts of deceitful party organizers in words are fiery communists, that you are equally useless parasites.
  • Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 27 December 2020 16: 30
    +2
    Another illustration of the main reason why the Soviet Union collapsed, and hungry and impoverished China became the world's first economy. It's time to name it: in life, no one should lose face and betray their country, especially the first persons. Mao made more mistakes and did more harm to his people than Stalin, who was twice disowned and piled on nasty things. But in China there is a legitimate government that respects its sons for what they have done and does not reprimand for what they did not do or did wrong. Therefore, respect is also built in this world - who will respect you if you do not respect yourself.
  • vavilon
    vavilon 27 December 2020 16: 32
    +3
    The Soviet constitution also specified the right to work
    where the state was obliged to provide its citizens with work and housing
    And today someone has mansions for thousands of square meters and hectares of land, and someone has some kind of corner under the bridge from which from time to time our valiant police chase
    This is the freedom of liberalism!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 December 2020 18: 19
      -2
      Everyone is the creator of his own happiness - all people are different in everything.
      1. vavilon
        vavilon 27 December 2020 22: 59
        +1
        Well, of course, the creator, especially on someone's neck.
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    1. Strannik96
      Strannik96 27 December 2020 18: 20
      -2
      Quote: vavilon
      The Soviet constitution also specified the right to work
      where the state was obliged to provide its citizens with work and housing
      And today someone has mansions for thousands of square meters and hectares of land, and someone has some kind of corner under the bridge from which from time to time our valiant police chase
      This is the freedom of liberalism!

      Good afternoon, did you have to be in China, at work? I talked with one installer in China, he installed controllers, asked how much he received - answered, free of charge, but he would gain experience in installing such equipment. Very few people are respected there too, I had to see a lot there.
      1. Strannik96
        Strannik96 27 December 2020 18: 37
        -1
        but as for the USSR, it was good to live on one salary and it was difficult there, because they already wrote at the top that they earned extra money and lived well. And who now prevents a person from earning, earning money? Who is stopping you from renting an apartment, buying an apartment, a car, even a dacha? I remember the USSR and I kindly, but how we lived in a two-room apartment for 6 people, and it would be impossible to change something. Mom went to the resort from the factory, but no one gave anything right away, she had to first show herself, she was an innovator, a simple hard worker, but she worked there all her life. And now we need to work for at least a couple of years to get something. It was difficult for the old people at that time, there was enough for an apartment and something remained, and even from the dacha they kept them in the cellar. Now you can earn and buy, and there is a lot of good that is left of the USSR, and you can count other people's money, only spend expensive time uselessly
        1. l7yzo
          l7yzo 27 December 2020 19: 04
          +4
          Yes - there was a social program. And this is a PREVENTION / SANATORIUM, the treatment is good - FREE OF CHARGE, the dentist does not count)), education is FREE, many people were paid for rest and travel to rest, apartments were handed out - if you work, and even at a factory or at a construction site - then finally right away, you could go and show your boss to Kuzka's mother - and you wouldn't get anything for it (well, if it's on business).

          As if the salary and benefits created by society were divided differently. Now our balasn is worse than in Africa, but finally worse than anywhere else - "Russia has become the world champion in inequality: Three percent of citizens own almost all the capital of the country."
        2. vavilon
          vavilon 28 December 2020 11: 09
          0
          Dear And where have you seen good and high-quality food now, except from a Belarusian manufacturer
      2. vavilon
        vavilon 28 December 2020 10: 50
        0
        Hello
        I haven't visited China yet, but I plan
        As for the trainee worker who is gaining experience, this was practiced in the USSR and now in the so-called developed Western countries, they are paid some small money, but not to everyone, this is only at the discretion of the management.
    2. Jünger
      Jünger 27 December 2020 20: 14
      -2
      Ingenious hi
      Quote: Arnaut
      equalize with a fist his perception of the world with all the workers 'and peasants' frankness).

      This is a great method.
    3. vavilon
      vavilon 27 December 2020 22: 58
      +3
      Dear do not be cunning, my grandmother in the 70s had a little about 50 rubles of pension, she lived in the village so she was not just enough, but she always gave 10 grandchildren for sweets and ice cream
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  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 27 December 2020 18: 35
    +1
    Quote: Crowe
    .. Now, unless in the army on urgent pay is not necessary.

    well, it's for now! service tax coming soon ...
  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 27 December 2020 18: 37
    +2
    Quote: Arnaut
    Again, shocked by the comments. Forgive me, but a complete "rocking boat". What ordinary people want is happening in Russia now. They have confirmed this in numerous, democratic elections. People decided that the yachts of oligarchs / efficient managers and record military budgets were more important than the minor problems of pensions and social programs. Great Russia needs victories in Syria, Libya, the Central African Republic, bases in Sudan, and not a warm toilet in a nursing home in the Tambov region. Russia will live without a toilet, but Russia will not be without victories. And if there is no Russia, then there will be no nursing home itself.

    I did not understand something ... is it sarcasm? or do you really think so?
    1. Arnaut
      Arnaut 27 December 2020 21: 48
      -4
      You see ...
      The Egyptian civilization lived as long as they built absolutely unnecessary grandiose pyramids. Instead of building cozy houses for a "simple Egyptian". And as soon as they stopped building the pyramids, respected partners immediately came and zanocidized the Egyptians so that nothing remained of the language. Scientists are still debating what color their skin was. Apart from the plundered pyramids, there was nothing left.

      This is how it will be with Russia. If instead of SP-2, the Forces of Siberia, Libya, Syria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Ukraine, Venezuela, the Central African Republic and megayachts and aircraft carriers, Russia begins to think about how to provide gas to the Non-Black Earth Region, how to make warm toilets in schools and hospitals, how to supply hot water, how is it raise pensions and wages, then Russia will not. Such is the curse of civilization.
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 28 December 2020 09: 56
        0
        Quote: Arnaut
        This is how it will be with Russia. If instead of SP-2, the Forces of Siberia, Libya, Syria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Ukraine, Venezuela, the Central African Republic and megayachts and aircraft carriers, Russia begins to think about how to provide gas to the Non-Black Earth Region, how to make warm toilets in schools and hospitals, how to supply hot water, how is it raise pensions and wages, then Russia will not. Such is the curse of civilization.

        Everything is correct here. The people must be hungry and angry in order to want something and achieve something.
        When everyone is sitting in warm closets, the will to live will weaken and hello. From inactivity and laziness - degradation and death.
  • l7yzo
    l7yzo 27 December 2020 18: 58
    0
    Not Shas not capitalism. After all, they froze the funded part of the pension at first, and at 23 they will completely cancel it. Those. it is not beneficial to the state. And the accumulative one is in Europe. We just have greed. I think it's time to finally cancel the pension - it will be easier this way. People have money, and pensioners have grandchildren. And then neither that, and not this. Just a carrot, and it's already very gnawed.
    And then you postpone 40 years for 16%, and then you 15 years cannot pay 25% of the salary, and if they pay, then they say - this is a heavenly GRACE))) Any sum calculator will come down from such calculations.

    And yes, the funded pension - goes to your relatives - children or wife. But our pension, well, the usual one is for the STATE.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 27 December 2020 19: 42
      +2
      This is precisely capitalism. When an employee pays for everything in fact.
  • They are
    They are 27 December 2020 19: 50
    -5
    As always, solid quirks. In the USSR, social. the protection was at the expense of the state, but where did the state get the money for this? Sailors earning currency instead of it received bonds and an assortment of albatross shop. Athletes have not seen awards for achievements either. Etc. Our pensioner has enough money for Corvalol, but he needs Duplhertz, about which the few in the USSR even knew. Paid medicine and education in Russia for those who want to pay for it, if there is a free alternative.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 December 2020 21: 34
      +2
      Quote: Sevan
      Paid medicine and education in Russia for those who want to pay for it, if there is a free alternative.

      My friend's father died in the hospital corridor, with paid places and no free ones.
      Quote: Sevan
      In the USSR, social. the protection was at the expense of the state, but where did the state get the money for this?

      Where do they get it now? Yes there. Only a few years ago, Zenith's bow-legged footballers were paid half of Peter's medical budget for their expensive sores.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 28 December 2020 19: 45
        +2
        It is high time to close this football launder. The Premier League, - are completely stuck to the oligarchic feast at the expense of our old people and children, including the unborn. As an amateur footballer with 20 years of experience, I say this. Feast in Time of Plague. But no! Let's take pity on athletes / artists / experts of all stripes. Our great "middle class" can afford 17 tyrs per capita! A spectacle at the expense of the plebs - even in Rome they did not reach such impudence. Disgusting phenomenon.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 December 2020 21: 35
      +3
      Quote: Sevan
      Paid medicine and education in Russia for those who want to pay for it, if there is a free alternative

      Is the free alternative always of the same quality as the paid services? wink And you are not jarred by the fact that when you receive free medical services under compulsory medical insurance, you are thickly hinted at better quality paid medical services?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 27 December 2020 21: 00
    +6
    Perhaps the most important thing is that there was no such social stratification in the USSR. Even the coolest enterprises did not pay the director more than 1000 rubles. And now the director of the unprofitable Russian Post can write himself a bonus that exceeds the budget of a small town.
  • AB
    AB 27 December 2020 21: 37
    +3
    I think the topic will be explosive according to comments, people have suffered from "reforms"

    Well? They made a noise, splashed out irritation, so what? In 2021, you will still go to vote for all the same deputies to the State Duma. And in 2024 you will go and vote for Putin. At the same time, you will convince yourself that there is no alternative to these people in Russia, and most importantly, let there be even a beggar, but stability. So, there was stability in the USSR, under the respected Leonid Ilyich, but now ... But what to write about this, you all know yourself.
  • Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 27 December 2020 22: 39
    +1
    I'm already afraid to write and read One negative, but the truth is to live hard capitalism money forever no fact. However, at 43 YEARS had a heart attack, I was hospitalized, everything was treated for free, many thanks to the doctors, I am alive, then I was on rehabilitation at the sanatorium for free, the fact, everything worked out. In 2017, my wife got cancer and was treated for free, everything went away, thank God, the disease receded, we first received a subsidy for an apartment while there were three, bought an apartment in a suburb of St. Petersburg, then when two more appeared they gave an apartment in St. what a fig as he lived in a communal apartment there and would have stayed if not Putin everything is not so bad, but I think that if you take all the good things in the USSR and now, it will be a complete thrill !!!
  • faterdom
    faterdom 27 December 2020 23: 57
    +1
    Quote: Malyuta
    The lady in the photo on the left has bruises on her knees. Interesting from what?

    The husband beats. Straight to the knees. The footballer, apparently.
  • north 2
    north 2 28 December 2020 00: 20
    +1
    Looking at the photo at the beginning of the article, I wonder who this trade union representative stood in a well-known pose, that her knees were so bruised ...
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 28 December 2020 07: 42
      0
      Quote: north 2
      in front of whom stood in a well-known pose this trade union representative

      Or maybe she soap office floors? laughing
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 28 December 2020 03: 11
    +4
    The topic of "social security in the USSR". What are being discussed in the comments? The comments mostly compare that salary with the current one. Those. people argue about the amount of money the "worker" has and what it could buy with it then and now. It turns out that people look at the socialist system in an extremely primitive way, through the eyes of a typical consumer, an inhabitant of bourgeois society, for whom a certain level of consumption is not a means, but an end.

    This point of view perfectly characterizes the commentators themselves, who at best see in socialism a system that is more beneficial for them in a purely material aspect. At the same time, it is clear that they will always have opponents who, with a high income within the framework of the current system, can afford much more than then, including such services that were generally illegal at that time, but today are quietly sold.

    People who value socialism for "better consumption" have not understood or appreciated the opportunities that the system provides them. And since they did not understand, since they continue to measure socialism in a purely consumer way, then they do not need socialism at all. Rather, now, against the background of rabid peripheral capitalism, they, of course, will prefer socialism, but then the consumption lovers will inevitably run into the limitations of the system. And even if we imagine that it is newly built, they will eventually hand it over with a dear soul, because purely by inertia they will demand more and more varied consumption. Whereas precisely in terms of the maximum possible level of consumption, capitalism will always be preferable to socialism with its inevitable restrictions.

    As a result, the conclusion: those for whom consumption is an end in itself, you cannot be allowed into the socialist system. You are dangerous for such a system. Dangerous both by action and by inaction. Because from experience it turns out that the socialist system will be stable only under the condition of active opposition to connoisseurs of consumption.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 28 December 2020 07: 38
    0
    Without an analysis of the economic state of the country in those and these years, without real figures on the volume of social payments in direct and indirect form, this whole article is nothing more than a transfusion from empty to empty in the hope of giving birth to an emotional outburst among gullible readers. In short, a nostalgic populist statement that has no real confirmation. There is nothing even to discuss ...
  • Sfurei
    Sfurei 28 December 2020 12: 43
    0
    AUTHOR, you burn right on the patient !!! In the USSR, everyone was socially equal, everyone got it equally: institutes, sanatoriums, and cars were given to everyone ??
    But as a child, I got sick of living with a deficit of EVERYTHING !! And products, and clothes, and furniture. Running to the store for sour cream, which was brought once a day, then standing in line of 20-30 people ... Paying a bribe for decent clothes or furniture - the price was not subject to inflation (only the bribe had inflation !!).
    We did not pay contributions from the salary in the USSR, and now the state. employees, in principle, do not pay anything (you do not think that when the state pays wages and transfers money from pocket to pocket for retirement, etc., it is not an officer or a passport officer who pays).
    Now kindergartens are also free (3 thousand per month for a kindergarten from 07.00 to 19.00 with 5 meals a day is not a fee). I have 2 children now walking, and one is already at school !! Moreover, if more than one child walks, then part of the paid money is returned.
    For school you pay only for meals or extra. mugs. At the same time, there are free circles at school !! Private levies are local kinks. And in the USSR - this was not? Is it straightforward to give you something and immediately give it?
    Could everyone go to college ?? Do not be ridiculous, someone may have been lucky, but my father (like many others) in the village council said so: "What a city and institution you are, there is no one to work in the village !!!" and they were not allowed anywhere !!!
    And in the 90s, my brother and I entered military schools without any problems !!!
    I believe, AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, based on my life experience: at the moment people have more chances for self-determination, enough for capitalism, social security and opportunities. There would be a desire for a person !!
    And I don't even want to argue about medicine. Since 2016, my whole family has been served only by compulsory medical insurance, and during this time we have received decent medical assistance. And there were operations in children and parents for compulsory medical insurance and hospitalization, etc.
    Country we are not perfect, there are still a lot of problems, but one should not think that somewhere (abroad or in the past) there are rivers of milk and jelly banks. It is annoying when you hear this from adults, and I hope thinking people!
  • Leontrotsky
    Leontrotsky 28 December 2020 13: 19
    +1
    Honestly, I am surprised when I hear from our citizens memories of free education, medicine, and the rhetorical question behind this, where is all this now?))) The answer is simple - it's all under socialism. We ourselves, with our own hands, in 91, chose the capitalist path of development, in the hope that the market will regulate everything)))) that the West will preserve democracy for us and, in general, will help)))))))) that the basis of competition in the global world is cost and the quality of the goods and no pressure from the outside on the consumer))))) They just forgot to think about the fact that in the same states and the UK there is no free higher education in principle, and an ambulance call, in the same states, will cost $ 2000 a visit to the dentist with the installation of a seal, in the region of $ 3000 (with a minimum medical insurance of $ 160 per month). And what is really worth their medicine is seen in the fight against covid. In general, citizens, as they say, there is nothing to blame on the mirror, if the appropriate CEF was chosen by themselves))
  • Sergey Nemov
    Sergey Nemov 28 December 2020 22: 24
    +8
    Social protection in the USSR and modern Russia is better not even to compare ...

    Of course it's better not to compare. The people felt the difference. It was better in the USSR.