Everything will pass, or humanity is entering the era of the dark ages

When humanity met the year 2020, hardly anyone could have guessed what it would bring to civilization. It is now all sorts of analysts of "visionary gifts" suddenly began to "recall" that allegedly something about the "universal disease" was said by Nostradamus and other greats in their works. But no "Nostradamus" so far can explain how long all this in the world will last, whether humanity will ever come out of this crisis at all.

In this regard, experts are divided into two camps. Some believe that the coronavirus pandemic is not fundamentally different from other epidemics that humanity has faced in different years of its existence. We have survived the "Spanish flu", the "bird" flu, Ebola, measles, cholera, which means we will survive this too - a mass vaccination will be carried out, which will turn today's dark global page.

And there are those experts who are sure that the world will never be the same. Thus, the famous historian Andrei Fursov believes that world civilization is entering the dark ages.

Many other experts agree with him, arguing that the coronavirus pandemic may be followed by both other pandemics and the collapse of all seemingly unshakable financial and political institutions, the usual laws will cease to work, the right of the strong will again come to the fore, freedom in the former understanding will not be.

Andrei Fursov shares his thoughts on the new era on The Day:

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[Nazar]

Everyone understands everything, but no one can do anything, what's the point then to catch up?

[Gardamir]

what's the point then to catch up here?

And how much dough can be raised on the injection of horror. People are already getting used to it, they don't even take off their masks on the street. And after all, the bourgeoisie convinced everyone that muzzles protect against viruses. How do they know that there will be another wave in 2022. We are ruled by the "omniscient". But no one told them, if the medicine had not been optimized, any epidemic was tolerated much easier.

[Intruder]

People are already getting used to it, they don't even take off their masks on the street. And after all, the bourgeoisie convinced everyone that muzzles protect against viruses. How do they know that there will be another wave in 2022. We are ruled by the "omniscient". But no one told them, if the medicine had not been optimized, any epidemic was tolerated much easier.

not everyone is used to it, but the majority, but there is always a remnant ... And why optimize if the elites have long dreamed of a "golden billion", is it worth messing around with the rest of the world's population, it is troublesome and costly, and service will be extended all sorts of massive clones, cyborgs and robots of different stripes, a little more and we will see the dawn just around the corner: drones, AI and all kinds of IoT: from "smart dust" to self-organizing devices, controlled by "neurolinks" in the heads of representatives, just this one - "golden billion"! :))) Marvelous times are on the doorstep, but not for everyone, unfortunately and not everywhere ...

[spolo]

The fact is that human nature cannot be changed .. neither by laws nor by religions. A man will kill his own kind. It's in the genes. I am already silent about envy, greed

[your1970]

Quote: Intruder

And why optimize, if the elites have been dreaming for a long time about the "golden billion", is it worth messing around with the rest of the world's population, is troublesome and costly,

- to make purchases also robots will be?
A population cut down to a billion will reduce consumption by exactly the same amount, or even more. Where will the citizens of the capitalists pump loot ???
Who will be managed by ?? 100 people the entire Europe ???
Who will work for a cup of rice? For the normal operation of robots, adjusters and operators are needed - whose salaries are already not cheap ...
Stealing from the budget like - if it's all a penny, the costs of robots in the budget are relatively small - and do not even closely correlate with medical / pension funds?

Yes, this is a terrible horror for the oligarchs - a sharp drop in the population ...
Kindergarten naivete - "the capitalists want a" golden billion ", yeah, yeah ...

[Intruder]

Yes, this is a terrible horror for the oligarchs - a sharp drop in the population ...
Kindergarten naivete - "the capitalists want a" golden billion ", yeah, yeah ...

you think and judge by the size of what scale and in what period of time, specifically asked this question ??? if the territory of one continent or country and only in our century and time, then I personally understand everything, especially your message "about consumption" and this basis of capitalism, although this is just a "clumsy theory" of the late 19th century, along with many others ( type, comrades Darwin and Freud ...) in the same era of the initial industrialization of Mankind and the refusal to use slave / serf labor and the growth of bourgeois transformations (especially with the introduction of machine and mass production) in the Old World ..., so I will reveal a little secret for layman, not a specialist, no offense only :) Before our era, when the population did not have a billion on this planet, there were also elites who successfully built palaces for themselves, pyramids and golden baths were poured with farvor night vases, and yachts for that time had to be taken away not a budget fishing displacement, and also thought about reducing the hicks and the townsfolk, because vague people are simple, they can even arrange a riot at night .. :)), who also asked for everything and a lot in all the centuries .., that still had a headache for the rulers and their entourage, all sorts of local oligarchs and merchants with traders ... :) well, nothing somehow developed in its own way and their well-being did not suffer, we still see the luxury of that in museums time is in the same hands, although in some industries they have already begun to think about replacing manual labor with mechanisms, with energy sources such as: wind and water, etc.

[your1970]

Quote: Intruder

you think and judge by the size of what scale and at what period of time, specifically asked this question ??? if the territory of one continent or country and only in our century and time,

and you know - what will happen in 500 years? in 300? in 3 years? in 3 days- after 20.01?
What is the fundamental difference between the oligarchs of the USA / Europe / RF?

Quote: Intruder

who also asked for everything and a lot in all ages ... that still had a headache for the rulers and their entourage, all sorts of local oligarchs and merchants with traders

-only troubles, they had enough buyers then, and there was practically no competition.
And now it's a little tougher ..
Siemens was beaten on the hands and on the head, and they squeak, but they climb - so they want to sell the turbines to us ...
They beat the Nord Stream - and the Germans screech, but drag the pipe to themselves. And there would be no population in Europe - why would that gas surrender to them. Who will consume cellophane bags for food, etc., for example? Robots? So the German will end petrochem ... the petrochem will end - there will be problems for automakers - who, by the way, will lose buyers ... and the chain will stretch ...
This used to be possible - it was possible to build a fortress, hire 100 people of the squad, bring a ton of gold there and that's all - no problem ... But even then, the smart ones tried to increase the number of subjects, so that there was someone to raise taxes from ...

Today's TNCs have slightly different approaches and requests

So believe in targeted population reduction, believe ...
You can also believe in a Nazi base in Antarctica or in reptilians ...

[Intruder]

Who will consume plastic bags for food, etc., for example

Is gas needed only for polyethylene and cellophane ??? and on the container ...

So the German petrochem will end ... the petrochem will end - the automakers will have problems - by the way, the buyers will disappear ... and the chain will stretch ...

and that's it, we will all die ... but for robots polymers are not needed, insulators and plastics ??? Everything is on wood / coal and bronze - steampunk, don't you think ... Some people ... use petroleum chemistry and chemistry in general, for plastic bags and cups, well, maybe in the Russian Federation and so, but something in other countries I am more recycled wood (by the way, in many here, not loved by this America, they usually rent tree branches and bark after harvesting backyard (a ), and they process it all, and not like they dump it out of town, or burn it in landfills ...), I met it in bags and packaging, even in high-tech products and not only in household appliances ...

it was possible to build a fortress, hire 100 people of the squad, bring a ton of gold there and that's all - no problem ... But even then the smart ones tried to increase the number of subjects, so that there was someone to bother with taxes ...

do not believe it and now if you have a ton of gold, then no problem, you can build a fortress and hire 100 guards for it, or you can stir up your small business and then build a fortress again and further down the list ... :)))

[your1970]

Quote: Intruder

and that's it, we'll all die

-not we - production will die for lack of consumption

Quote: Intruder

and for robots polymers are not needed, insulators and plastics ???

- only here I will repeat - if the population is reduced, then robots will not be needed - automatically. The goods that they could release will become unnecessary due to the lack of consumers

Quote: Intruder

do not believe it and now if you have a ton of gold, then no problem, you can build a fortress

-builders required

Quote: Intruder

Hire 100 guards for her

-necessary military

Quote: Intruder

stir up your small business

-required workers

Quote: Intruder

build a fortress again

-and you will repeat all the items just named again

You SAMI give examples of the need for the capitalists as much of the population as possible ... and you haven't even gotten to taxes and the state

[Intruder]

-builders required

RTK will cope faster, there is no need for rest and sleep, plus a constant construction cycle "from the design project to the construction itself on the site of the site", all kinds of polymer materials with a short polymerization time, adhesive joints instead of welding and other nishtyaki technologies, and by the way gas and oil chemistry of any ...

-necessary military

security drones, already in South Korea, convicts are guarded in specialized institutions, while the truth is like an experiment, but it’s a big deal .... :)

-required workers

why, IT sphere, entertainment and art, scientific research with modeling in all virtual models of processes ... and this is also necessary for a modern society, where the cost of an error (human factor) is very high .., in a number of science-intensive technologies, by the way !: ) And a large number of employees - big problems: work organization, medical insurance, pregnancy, and other human problems, vacations, social risks ..., banal mortality from force majeure!

[Intruder]

You YOURSELF give examples of the need for the capitalists as much of the population as possible ... and you haven't even gotten to taxes and the state

not quite and not everywhere even for capitalism, by the way in your understanding, by the way! I have a slightly different view of the number of people for its development and prosperity, unfortunately .., but it is mine - this view and I do not want to impose it on anyone :)

[Intruder]

You can also believe in a Nazi base in Antarctica or in reptilians ...

no, I don’t believe, and I do not advise you, especially before breakfast, watch TV and read "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" :)))

[your1970]

Quote: Intruder

read "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" :)))

-In general, all the normative legal acts are published there (if you don't know) - on which life in the country directly depends ...

[Intruder]

-in fact, all the regulatory legal acts are published there (

in the know, although I would not advise (I just use: legal reference systems, I am for the forests of the planet, after all, we do not already live in the 19th and 20th centuries, so that we can release paper on newspapers specifically to read news and legislative initiatives to contemplate ...: )), but instead of, by the way, applied it to "Soviet newspapers ..." :)

[your1970]

Quote: Intruder

RTK will cope faster, there is no need for rest and sleep, plus a constant construction cycle "from the design project to the construction itself on the site of the site", all kinds of polymer materials with a short polymerization time, adhesive joints instead of welding and other nishtyaki technologies, and by the way gas and oil chemistry of any ...

And for WHOM? Who will develop - if there is nobody Will these houses be sold on mortgages?

Quote: Intruder

security drones

- and who will support them, service, search in case of accidents?

Quote: Intruder

banal mortality from force majeure!

- is it not inherent in robots? If the earthquake hits, who will rebuild the fully robotic plant? People will be needed again ...

Quote: Intruder

I use: legal reference systems, I am for the forests of the planet,

do you think I paper do I read newspapers?

Quote: Intruder

applied, about "Soviet newspapers ..." :)

- by the way, it was she who did not say that "Urya-urya" and "Our milk yield grew, metallurgists smelted a mountain of pig iron ..."
There are more propaganda publications

Z. I don’t see benefits for capital from declining population. From an increase I see large ones, but from a decrease - no

[Intruder]

And for WHOM? Who will develop - if there is no one to sell these houses on a mortgage?

The mortgage is just needed as a massive banking product for the poor, it just won't be ... the point in it is:!? the population is already small, those who could achieve prosperity live in closed megalopolises, and who could not - in shacks, as now 50-70 years ago and without major repairs! (something reminded me of one large territory - a Euro-Asian country !? :))

- and who will support them, service, search in case of accidents?

two repairmen for a couple of dozen !? not enough ...

- is it not inherent in robots? If the earthquake hits, who will rebuild the fully robotic plant? People will be needed again.

just every year it shakes, namely factories, factories, etc., nuclear power plants / hydroelectric power plants / thermal power plants and all kinds of "dirty production", with physical destruction ??? Not everywhere and all the time, therefore, people have been engaged in geology and tectonics for the last couple of centuries ... more in relation to the choice of a construction site for any serious one, I mean this !!!

Do you think I read paper newspapers?

I hope not .., I'm for the "forests of the planet"! :)

By the way, it was she who didn’t say that "Urya-urya" and "Our milk yields have grown, metallurgists smelted a mountain of pig iron ..."
There are more propaganda publications

it's better not to read them at all, before breakfast, lunch and dinner !!! :)

I don’t see any benefits to capital from population decline. I see large ones from an increase, but not from a decrease.

Well then, we have a common multipolar opinion with you, I hope the rest of the readers were interested in contemplating a few days, our correspondence in this topic!

[your1970]

Quote: Intruder

The mortgage is just needed as a massive banking product for the poor, it just won't be ... the point in it is:!? the population is already small, those who could achieve prosperity live in closed megalopolises, and who could not - in shacks, as now 50-70 years ago and without major repairs!

Now calculate how many elite housing is being built in the country and how much mortgage housing. Yes, for the poor and not very rich, but this housing is many times more than elite. Moreover, the elite will settle down in cottage settlements and for 10 years they will not start building something, and the rest of the population swarms, multiplies and buys housing on a mortgage in large quantities ...

And yes - our opinions are strictly opposite

[Intruder]

And yes - our opinions are strictly opposite

diversity in wildlife :)))

Now calculate how many elite housing is being built in the country and how much mortgage housing. Yes, for the poor and not very rich, but this housing is many times more than elite.

that is, you approve of the modern banking system, and the "sinful - loan" interest rate as the basis of its activity and in the sphere of cheap housing for the poor in any country !? :)

[Intruder]

Moreover, the elite will settle down in cottage settlements and for 10 years they will not start building something, and the rest of the population swarms, multiplies and buys housing on a mortgage in large quantities ...

with a simultaneous problem in cases of loss of income, to lose money paid for part of the loan, health (2-3 jobs without vacation and good rest) during the entire term of the mortgage, and perhaps the housing itself is cheap, plus family problems and other negative social consequences, what happens to the breadwinner ..., credit history and all that :)

[Intruder]

how many elite housing is being built in the country

and that from this, clients can afford it, plus its cost is much higher than that of a cheap one in terms of the amount of construction time of a residential area, plus the development of infrastructure surrounding and providing services and services, their level is again higher than in a new building ( like a ghetto :)) !!!

[your1970]

Lord !!!!

Quote: Intruder

you approve, the banking system is modern, and "sinful - loan" interest, as the basis of its activities

Who is talking about something and naked about the bath ...
You promoted the thesis about the absence of an urgent need for a population among the capitalists - on the contrary, I wrote about the extreme need of capital for a cheap mass labor force, which capital can not reckon with at all ...

Why are you suddenly decided that я capitalists approve????? !!!!!!! I am stating a fact - capital loves dvrmovaya labor, and it can be gratuitous only with an excess of population - when "10 people are already waiting outside the gate, no one is holding it !!!"
You are beating yourself in the chest that capital will be profitable - when there is NO ONE outside the gate ...

[Intruder]

capital loves dvrmovaya workforce

and whoever doesn't like it, and in general we compare soft with round, most likely we have already reached that! :) We started with aspects of the problems of robotics and its integration into modern society with current economic models, that is, in the already post-industrial era, but we use worldviews of the past ..., somehow, like this !? :)

[your1970]

Quote: Intruder

We started with aspects of the problems of robotics and its integration into modern society with valid economic models.

-with aspects ???? and is it not with the dream of capital to reduce the population (in your version) ??

Quote: Intruder

if the elites have long dreamed of a "golden billion", is it worth messing around with the rest of the world's population, troublesome and costly

[lucul]

Everyone understands everything, but no one can do anything

Duc enta))), you will have to cancel the loan interest - and he is the cornerstone of the whole foundation of capitalism))))
You cancel the loan interest, you cancel capitalism))))

[Nazar]

lucul - Well, yes. % is sacred Although sometimes you really want to "abolish capitalism"

[Vladimir_2U]

Thus, the famous historian Andrei Fursov believes that world civilization is entering the dark ages.

The great Soviet writer Ivan Antonovich Efremov wrote about something similar during the times of not just the Soviet Union, but during the explosive growth of the power of the Soviet Union.

[Lipchanin]

the usual laws will cease to work, the right of the strong will again come to the fore, freedom in the former understanding will no longer exist.

America has long been there

[NDR-791]

In this regard, experts are divided into two camps.
Then what are these experts? This is not an examination, this is "want". Some want to see this way, while others want to see that way. And experts sit in think tanks under the Security Council, under the president, under the minister of defense. They know, but they won't tell us

[Boris55]

The sunset is coming to Western civilization. Russian and Chinese civilization is entering the arena.
Unlike the Western concept of the World, when everyone is against everyone, China and I will be equal among equals. The world is waiting for bright times.

[Nazar]

Boris55 - "Russian and Chinese"? You did not notice that the Chinese and we are moving in opposite directions, or rather they are moving and developing, but we have 10 years of stupor and no "prospect" for development, there is the Ministry of Economic Development and Development, but there was no development itself. What arena is the Russian civilization entering with such a GDP and with such an economic structure - eh? As someone to the "arena"?
And in order to be, as you wrote, "equal among equals with China," you first need to have people at the head of our country acting in the interests of their people, as in China. In the meantime, what kind of "equality" can we talk about - the economies of the PRC and the Russian Federation, incomparable values. It's like putting the Russian Federation and Kyrgyzstan on the same board, and this gap is only growing every year.

[Intruder]

Russian

Where, this marvelous ... ???

Chinese civilization

for a long time, but not everyone sees and understands ..., but it has already come out and dictates its own rules, even in South America, now their economic expansion is going on in all sorts of ... Suels and ... Tins and in Eurasia, in the Middle Asia, in all its glory, plus the roots and shoots went to the Middle East gradually!

[A_Lex]

Do you know what all such articles are called? Formation of public opinion. Elites, with the help of in-house specially trained experts, deliberately throw in information about "new dark ages" so that ordinary people get used to the idea that "we, it turns out, are following into new dark ages." Well, if everyone gets used to this thought and will tell each other that there are "dark ages" ahead and that "following the direction in the dark ages is normal and natural," then people themselves voluntarily organize these dark ages, to the applause of the elite, because these very dark ages are beneficial only to them and to no one else.

People, just don’t let any corrupt lackeys rinse your brains out. Remember, "dark ages" are wrong. And everything that is wrong will sooner or later be overcome, as has happened more than once in history.

One more thing. If the elite had a guaranteed way to build such a model of the world as they want, they would not have to inject colossal funds into propaganda, manipulation and daily brainwashing. All these endless frightening predictions once again prove that the position of the elite is precarious and unstable, and its main strength and mass ignorance, when people can constantly be fed a wide variety of nonsense, and they will continue to believe.

[depressant]

Vooot, finally a competent comment! Thank you, colleague A_Lex, that's right. The main message of this hour-long try is "Take everything calmly!" That is, be submissive, do not rock the boat when you are being used while munching. The idea is laid down at the very beginning and is repeated in veiled versions. This is called neurolinguistic programming. And pay attention: there, at the very beginning, it was said that the last years of the USSR is a society of unthinkable freedom. Whereas, in fact, the administrative reins were deliberately released to bring the country into a state of internal political chaos. It was not for nothing that the dude spent half a year in the States, and there, apparently, he was instructed on how to convincingly hang noodles on the ears of the gullible population.

[A_Lex]

Dude spent half a year in the States for a reason

So all the propaganda in the Russian Federation is literally scalped with the American one, not to mention the publicly available content in the form of serials, TV shows, films, books, etc. The entire modern Russian Federation is just a tracing paper with the United States, of course, powdered with national flavor, so as not to senselessly force the mentality, but to use it wisely for their own purposes. Somewhere I came across an article about how many members of the United Russia passed an internship in the states. However, after the famous photograph, which captures young and early Chubais, Glazyev, Aven and other golden youth who collectively visited the United States back in Soviet times, the rest is no longer surprising.

[Qwertyarion]

... When humanity met the year 2020, hardly anyone could have imagined that he would bring civilization

Something is completely unheard of how Covid19 is being fought in Africa, well, there are masks, electronic passes, quarantine restrictions and all that ...

[Eirik Krause]

this year 2021 is the calm before the storm: the pandemic will end in late autumn it will be killed by vaccinations BUT in 2022 the global PERESTROYKA will begin after which the survivors will not recognize the changed world

[Alex1949]

The coronavirus pandemic was organized by the Americans. They hoped to destroy China, but due to their usual stupidity (I hope you remember Cynthia) they themselves suffered. I believe this country must be wiped off the face of the Earth before it's too late. All countries of the world will breathe a sigh of relief.