Armenia comments on the words of the ex-Minister of Defense on how it was possible to avoid defeat in Karabakh

The ex-head of the military department of the Republic of Armenia spoke about the main reasons for the defeat in Nagorno-Karabakh. Recall that the war in Karabakh ended on November 9 after 44 days of intense hostilities, during which numerous types of weapons were used, including Tanks, SAU, Drones, MLRS, towed howitzers, etc.

According to former Defense Minister S. Ohanyan, who is quoted by "Sputnik Armenia", the main reason for the failures during the military campaign in Nagorno-Karabakh was the lack of coordination in decision-making by the political leadership and military command.

Ohanyan noted that in recent years, serious fortifications with a length of more than 280 km have been created on the contact line. According to the ex-head of the Armenian defense, "the enemy was able to break through them only in two places." Ohanyan added that if the actions of the command were competent and coordinated, then the further advance of the Azerbaijani troops could have been avoided, as well as the final defeat in the war.

According to the ex-official, there was also an incorrect assessment of the military-political reality.

Colonel General Ohanyan:

Now Armenia needs a change of power. I became disillusioned with Nikol Pashinyan's revolution.

In Armenia, they comment on the words of the ex-minister, noting that now everyone can say whatever they want, and "where were all these officials when the situation was generally brought to the beginning of large-scale hostilities?" Also, in the comments of Armenian experts and ordinary citizens, it is rightly added that “after a fight, they don’t wave their fists,” adding that the development of the country's defense capacity had to be dealt with constantly and systematically.

For reference: Seyran Ohanyan was the Minister of Defense of Armenia from 2008 to 2016. Received military education at the Baku VOKU. In the early 90s he fought in the militia of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

Comments

[Pessimist22]

It was necessary to take money when Aliyev offered.

[Aerodrome]

"everyone imagines himself to be a strategist, seeing the battle from the side" (C)

[Machito]

Neither the political nor the military leadership of Armenia was ready for a war with Azerbaijan.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Bearded

Neither the political nor the military leadership of Armenia was ready for a war with Azerbaijan.

The impression that they did not prepare. The question is ... is this stupidity or real betrayal?
Well, the statement of the former Minister "after" the war is just another concussion of the air!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Hunter 2

The impression that they did not prepare. The question is ... is this stupidity or real betrayal?
Well, the statement of the former Minister "after" the war is just another concussion of the air!

Greetings, Alex!
Neither one nor the other - mentality. In a Caucasian way, self-esteem is overestimated with rather modest post-Soviet opportunities. And unwillingness to work for the present.

[Korsar4]

And this is already a classic question: which is better than overestimated self-esteem or underestimated. An underestimate could be even worse.

[VyacheSeymour]

And this is already a classic question: which is better than overestimated self-esteem or underestimated. An underestimate could be even worse.

Self-esteem can be overestimated to unprecedented heights (and it was), but the enemy cannot be underestimated (which was also) not one iota !!!

[Korsar4]

This is beyond doubt.
But the lack of confidence in success does not lead to good.

[VyacheSeymour]

But the lack of confidence in success does not lead to good.

At one o'clock Х - of course it won't.
But, at the stage of preparation - this is what gives confidence in the future - it is always better to keep an eye out than ...
The force must not be resisted by an equal force, but by its square ...
Otherwise, it is unrealistic to stop the enemy's homework, which
he will never advertise ahead of time - which is what happened in this case!

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Ohanyan is cunning, cunning, shielding himself, although he is partially right, of course. Many are to blame for the defeat of Armenia, including himself. But most of all, of course, is Pashinyan, who with his mediocre policy led Armenia to a natural defeat. EVERYTHING could be different, if he did not conduct his stupid cunning two-faced policy towards Russia! Even the war could not have happened!

[Krasnodar]

Unless there could have been a war.

[VyacheSeymour]

Defeat is natural - with or without Pashinyan ... But, the war could have been avoided ... It is necessary to have the talent to dance to provoke the enemy to the beginning of hostilities at the first incident belli that comes along!

[Krasnodar]

Quote from Korsar4

And this is already a classic question: which is better than overestimated self-esteem or underestimated. An underestimate could be even worse.

Optimal - real)). Overpriced to understated - half a step

[Korsar4]

Who would argue. It is realistic to evaluate well.

[vlad106]

Quote: Krasnodar

the ex-Minister's statement "after" the war is just another concussion!

Greetings, Alex!
Neither one nor the other - mentality. In a Caucasian way, self-esteem is overestimated with rather modest post-Soviet opportunities. And unwillingness to work for the present.

Now, if they were allowed to rush to the Russian markets, trade and row loot with shovels, and the citizens of Russia went to fight for them in Karabakh, then they would be Armenians "ABOUT EVERYONE, this winter, and throughout the GALAXY."

[onstar9]

Quote: Hunter 2

The impression that they did not prepare. The question is ... is this stupidity or real betrayal?

It has been known for so long why the Armenians did not particularly prepare for the war with Azerbaijan. They themselves have constantly expressed this before. They so easily defeated the Azerbaijani side in the previous war that any possible war with Azerbaijan seemed to them easy and victorious. The Armenians defended Karabakh relatively easily, and they also "grabbed" 7 Azerbaijani regions. In response to any statements by Baku to take away Karabakh by "force", the Armenians promised to "repeat", and generally reach Baku. The confidence in superiority was complete. This prevented. So there is no secret here, and Pashinyan has nothing to do with it. They all thought so ... They just now "blame" Pashinyan .. Although he has only been in charge there for a year ... And where were all the "critics" of Pashinyan, who had been there all the previous 30 years? And nowhere ... We sat and said "what if anything, then we will reach Berlin" ... So we got there ...

[alexmach]

No, not really. They reproached Russia for supplying weapons to Azerbaijan for a long time, and saw a demo version of military actions in 16 year. They all knew and understood.

[Profiler]

According to former Defense Minister S. Ohanyan, who is quoted by "Sputnik Armenia", the main reason for the failures during the military campaign in Nagorno-Karabakh was the lack of coordination in decision-making by the political leadership and military command.

Perhaps these judgments of the ex-minister can be heeded in terms of assessing the leadership of the operation ("not this nor that"), but still it is impossible to say that any changes in this part could have prevented defeat - even theoretically, it is impossible.

As much as Armenia and Karabakh were not ready for war, as much as they suffered the fate of the vanquished ...

[Snail N9]

Pashinyan and his supporting forces took a course towards "European integration" and "the priority of universal human values." According to these "values", the emphasis in protecting the country should be shifted from the military component to the legal and legislative component, on the basis of "collective security", within the framework of the "norms and values ​​of European democracies." That is, in simple terms, why do you need your armed forces, you need to develop collective protection instead of them on the basis of various agreements of "security" and "non-admission". Very attractive, especially for low-income countries. However, everyone was convinced more than once that "legal collective protection" - the delirium of the bull-aggressor, she will not stop and all sorts of cries that it violates there, some "norms", he does not care. Armenia stepped on this rake and is now reaping the fruits of adherence to the "common European norms" of "civilized behavior" ... .

[zadorin1974]

Good Snitch. I agree with you partially. Yes, the Armenians hoped for contracts, etc. But they themselves were deceived. The contracts were concluded on Armenia, and no one has touched it more than once.

[APASUS]

Quote: Pessimist22

It was necessary to take money when Aliyev offered.

So, judging by such a strange loss, someone took the money. But in fact, it was necessary not to reject the negotiations, to bargain to the last.The Armenian side believed in its invincibility, while at the same time pushed Russia away from itself

[rotmistr60]

Now of course it's too late to swing your fists. Wherever they went, they came to that. Or they thought that by bringing a pro-Western prime minister from the street to power they would live happily, richly and the army by itself would become strong, because Western "friends" will always help. Have you helped? Where today are those who screamed, "Russia out!" and should we go towards Europe? So they are in place, only now they are turning the arrows to Pashinyan, and they themselves seem to have nothing to do with it.

[Lech from Android.]

This is how local radical nationalists behave in all republics. Reason was hammered by an excessive belief in the values ​​of the West and they are not able to adequately perceive the surrounding reality. Aliyev flushed this faith of Armenians down the toilet ... The demonstrative flogging of Armenia by Azerbaijani special forces and Turkish UAVs is certainly impressive in its effectiveness and result.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Late. The Armenians, like the chubats, profiled everything. It all started with Russophobia. Seriously.

[apro]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

It all started with Russophobia.

It all started with nationalism ..

[Vasiliev S.]

There is enough nationalism on both sides.
Only now, some nationalists cut others into nuts.

It's not about nationalism.
And even more so not in Russophobia - in Russia they are not completely finished in power and Russia would not have sided with Armenians against Azerbaijan and Turkey in any scenario, even with the most ardent Armenian Russophilia.

Oil, population, industry, potential in general are important ...
A-phobias and -philia are not significant in any way.

The Turks killed our ambassador - and why ?!
And nothing, 0 full!
And rightly so.

[Vasiliev S.]

And the Azerbaijanis, according to your logic, fell into Russophilia ?!
Cool...

[Anar]

They are not Russophobes and not Russophiles. They are committed to politics, do not do bad, good is not required of you.

[ork_333]

Quote: VasilievS

There is enough nationalism on both sides.
Only now, some nationalists cut others into nuts.

It's not about nationalism.
And even more so not in Russophobia - in Russia they are not completely finished in power and Russia would not have sided with Armenians against Azerbaijan and Turkey in any scenario, even with the most ardent Armenian Russophilia.

Oil, population, industry, potential in general are important ...
A-phobias and -philia are not significant in any way.

The Turks killed our ambassador - and why ?!
And nothing, 0 full!
And rightly so.

You should publish a collection written in blank verse. You draw very beautiful paragraphs. But it is better not to poke your nose into geopolitics - this is not yours. It turns out that for the murder of the ambassador, the correct action is to do nothing. For the shot down plane - you can smile a little. For the helicopter - shake hands. Is that how it will be right? I think you will be glad to the Censor.

[Vasiliev S.]

Yes, that's right.
Alas and ah - so everyone does - benefit first of all!

The amers, too, somehow got banged ...
And they also practically did not react.
It was in the Arab spring.

Get used to an unpleasant reality, alas, far from your rainbow dreams.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Pashinyan did everything right.

[high]

The ex-minister of defense is to blame for the defeat, who for 8 years did not prepare the Army: did not equip it with modern weapons ...
For 2 years in Power, Pashinyan did not have the opportunity to re-equip the Army ...

[Anar]

The blame are the Armenians who seized territories in 92-94 and rested on their laurels. Now these people are burying their sons ...

[Xenofont]

It is high time for the peoples of the former Union republics to come to the conclusion that all these street flips, led by bearded and shaved populists, do not improve their lives at best, or even drive them into the Middle Ages. It seems banal, but many do not accept this truth and expect that next time we will certainly heal. Skakuasia is a very characteristic example.

[Evil Booth]

I see minus 2 on you, which means that their brains are not weaker.

[Xenofont]

Yes, I sneeze at them. Their pains shouldn't hurt me. This is a reaction to their own powerlessness to do something really.

[Evil Booth]

well, why sneeze) even there, some suspect that the world is Russia Toko Kosovo Serbia

[sergo1914]

... Ohanyan noted that in recent years, serious fortifications with a length of more than 280 km have been created on the contact line. According to the former head of the Armenian defense, "the enemy was able to break through them only in two places."

I have serious suspicions that this person was simply pulled out of the monitor screen after several years of sitting in some kind of computer game. And he is now talking about that reality.

[Anar]

Ohanyan noted that in recent years, serious fortifications with a length of more than 280 km have been created on the contact line. According to the former head of the Armenian defense, "the enemy was able to break through them only in two places."

The question is, what the enemy should have, like in the good old "Pacman" e, collect all points along the entire length of the defense?) Or did they have an agreement until the entire defense line was destroyed, it was impossible to go further?
For many years, Ohanyan has been building a line of defense for the state budget (in parallel, and farmsteads at the same expense) and dumbfounded everyone that this line of "Great Ohanyan" and there was no one to pass it. There were such legends about this line in Armenia that the Greek epics were resting.
In fact, this line was broken literally on the very first day of the fighting. Ohanyan asks, what did you spend these billions on? If there was no sense from them even for 1 day.
But still, it is not Ohanian who is to blame for this loss, but those who seized the territory of Azerbaijan in 92-94. If they had sat at home then, they would not be burying their sons now. Those who started the first war are to blame.

[Evil Booth]

frank bullshit about the line of defense. Armenians were stuffed with information fields, they say, they themselves adjusted the plans and supply of Azeris for this. For the United States, Asia is much more interesting as an east such as Iraq .. oil for food war is a lot of rubbish for everyone. instead of chegonit type of the general plan of the USSR, the buyout could move both the trusteeship and the United States. and even in several markets at once.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Bagratyan: We had a weapon that would stop the advance of the Azerbaijani-Turkish army in a day

.... I personally accuse Pashinyan that he had a weapon that he did not use. In particular, we are talking about our nuclear waste, which in one day would have stopped the advance of the Azerbaijani-Turkish army. Moreover, he was told about it. ....

https://news.am/rus/news/620068.html

The same paragraph in Armenian:

"... Առնվազն երկու մարդու մասով ես տեսնում եմ դավաճանության լուրջ հիմքեր: Առաջինը եւ հիմնական Նիկոլ Փաշինյանն է: Ես անձամբ մեղադրում եմ Փաշինյանին, որ ձեռքի տակ ունեցել է զենք, որը չի կիրառել: Խոսքը, մասնավորապես, մեր միջուկային թափոնների մասին է, որը մեկ օրում կկանգնեցներ ադրբեջանականթուրքական բանակի առաջընթացը: Ընդ որում իրեն ասվել է այդ մասին ", - ատաց Բայ

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[fa2998]

Quote: Hunter 2

the ex-Minister's statement "after" the war is just another concussion!

Why wave your fists after a fight? When I was a minister, I didn’t "coordinate"? After 2 MV, all German generals blamed Hitler for everything that they prevented him from winning!

[Oleg Monarchist]

"Disappointed in Pashinyan's revolution"
It seems like an adult, not a shkolota, but still believes in fairy tales.

[Oleg Monarchist]

Everyone around is to blame, except for the Armenians.