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UAV "Hunter" can be used as a "destroyer" of shock drones "Bayraktar"

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Not so long ago, there were reports of regular tests of the Russian heavy attack drone "Okhotnik", which is being developed according to the C-70 project. At the same time, it was indicated that the drone was tested, among other things, as an unmanned interceptor. It is this characteristic of the promising Russian UAV "Okhotnik" that has caused a special discussion among experts and ordinary readers interested in military-air topics. The topic is being discussed in the foreign expert environment.


In particular, one of the areas for discussion is related to the possible use of the "Okhotnik" in the Russian Aerospace Forces as a means of destroying attack drones. At the same time, it must be stated that today only a few states of the world possess self-developed strike UAVs, in the full sense of the word. Among them are the USA, Turkey, Israel, China. Taking into account the fact that in the past few months the Turkish attack UAVs Bayraktar-TB2 have been actively used in hostilities, it is assumed that the "Hunter" can be tested as a means of destroying just such drones.

Here it should be noted that there is a certain probability that the Turkish UAVs "Bayraktar" are at the disposal of Russian specialists. Such drones were shot down by various means of the Libyan National Army of Marshal Khalifa Haftar in Libya, Armenian air defense systems of Nagorno-Karabakh. These facts give reason to say that technologies, including those that reveal the functionality of data exchange, at least theoretically could be studied by Russian specialists.

Taking this into account, the use of the Hunter as a "destroyer" of Bayraktar attack drones - as one of the manifestations of direct air interception - is not something incredible. For such operations, the Hunter can act autonomously. And its very appearance in the sky over a particular combat zone where attack UAVs are used can become a decisive factor for these UAVs to cease to be used there ... Here one should also take into account the clear advantage of the Hunter in altitude and speed. Open sources indicate that its practical ceiling is about 18 thousand meters (the ceiling of "Bayraktar" is about 8 km), and the speed in high-altitude echelons is about 1 thousand km / h. This a priori provides the ability to perform combat missions to "accelerate" or directly destroy the Bayraktar-class attack UAVs in virtually any conditions.
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 16: 10
    +14
    Yeah. And an electron microscope can hammer in nails.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 December 2020 16: 12
      +8
      UAV "Hunter" can be used as a "destroyer" of shock drones "Bayraktar"

      We are more interested in its real capabilities (results of practical application), rather than theory and scientific assumptions.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 22 December 2020 16: 35
        +7
        I came across information that the Su-57 can simultaneously control 12 Hunters.
        It will be interesting to get confirmation from other sources. hi
        1. Sergey Valov
          Sergey Valov 22 December 2020 18: 23
          +5
          Su-57 may be, but will its pilot cope with it?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 22 December 2020 20: 00
            +4
            The two-seat Su-57 was discussed recently. hi
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 22 December 2020 20: 41
              +3
              And where is he? Forum discussion and the realities of life are different universes.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 22 December 2020 20: 43
                -1
                Do you want everything at once? I see... bully
                1. Sergey Valov
                  Sergey Valov 22 December 2020 20: 44
                  +5
                  Even if I want to, I don't believe in it, I'm a realist and a pessimist in one bottle.
          2. Maikcg
            Maikcg 22 December 2020 20: 20
            +3
            Well, he's not controlling them with a joystick. Say let's say to his followers:

            And the pack of Hunters will already figure it out on their own. In computer games with aviation, something does not bother anyone too much to manage a pack of subordinate artificial idiots. And the computer puffs more over visualization than over the calculation of the actions of bots.
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 22 December 2020 20: 42
              0
              Real military equipment and computer games are different worlds.
          3. Eroma
            Eroma 22 December 2020 23: 16
            +4
            There was information that the pilot in the Su57 was not actually engaged in piloting, but was fighting, and if necessary, the plane could fly by itself while the pilot was busy with other tasks. And on the VO there was once a note that the Chinese believe that the Su57 is actually not an airplane, but the first combat robot!
            Therefore, what can the Su57 do and what the pilot is actually doing in it, this is still an interesting question !? what
          4. Basalt
            Basalt 5 March 2021 18: 42
            0
            Probably, AI will already work here - to issue target designations and form flight missions for the "Hunters". Not so long ago I read that the Americans conducted about a thousand battles of pilots against AI on flight simulators. Man has not won a single one, so the new era of scientific advances, instead of making life easier for people, is more frightening.
            1. Sergey Valov
              Sergey Valov 5 March 2021 19: 18
              0
              Everything that is now called AI is essentially a computer program of varying degrees of complexity and is written on the basis of acquired experience. However, in real life it very often happens as Bismarck said - the Russians responded to our military cunning with unpredictable stupidity.
        2. VO3A
          VO3A 22 December 2020 23: 47
          -3
          Yes, that's all nonsense! The Su-57 should be able to fly the S-70 at the lowest level for backup in case of emergency! The main control and collection of information is at a higher level ... At this level, the Su-57 is the same element of the global system as the S-70 ... But the global system is tight, even if the concept will be given ... And since there is no common combat information system, its simplest bundles are given as the highest achievement. This is the lowest level, so to speak, from hopelessness, there is no universality, there is no possibility of interaction, everything is unique at a primitive level ... Just like the SAS fighters, instead of a UAV in Syria, from complete hopelessness, they become heroes posthumously ... Yes and no. so far nothing, not only the S-70 with its invented capabilities, but also the Su-57!
          1. tikhonov66
            tikhonov66 24 December 2020 13: 11
            -2
            "...
            Like the SAS fighters, instead of a UAV in Syria, from complete hopelessness, they become heroes posthumously ...
            ..."
            - there you go - again you are lying ...
            8 - ((
            -The fact is, "Unrespected", that about those SAS fighters who became heroes "not posthumously" - you CANNOT KNOW ...
            8-)))

            - well, like they ask the hero of Russia (working in the GRU) - And what were you awarded for?
            - Yes, I don't know ... - he answers
            8-))
            1. VO3A
              VO3A 24 December 2020 13: 40
              -1
              you DO NOT KNOW ...

              See a doctor, maybe they will help, or maybe they will put it on record ... I will not talk about Alexander Prokhorenko!
              Here is another example:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2XTDJHhooo&t=3s
        3. Nychego
          Nychego 23 December 2020 09: 23
          +1
          Quote: Alex777
          It will be interesting to get confirmation from other sources.

          Only a real conflict with a clash of these and other weapons systems will be able to show what and what is worth.
      2. qwertyui
        qwertyui 2 January 2021 14: 15
        0
        so real so far nothing seems to be
    2. bk316
      bk316 22 December 2020 16: 17
      +4
      And an electron microscope can hammer in nails.

      What does the microscope have to do with it?
      It is known that large attack UAVs are easier (and cheaper) to shoot down with fighters.
      The hunter is in every way cheaper than drying, so it is even more suitable for this.
      Here the question is in technical capabilities, that is, in the sighting system and weapons for hitting air targets.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 16: 20
        +16
        For bayraktars and others, the simplest propeller (turboprop) UAVs are enough. The S-70 is an apparatus designed to solve many times more complex tasks than knocking down dead crows.
        1. bk316
          bk316 22 December 2020 16: 26
          +15
          For bayraktars and others, the simplest propeller (turboprop) UAVs are enough.

          Have you seen somewhere (not necessarily here) a "simple propeller-driven" UAV capable of detecting, pursuing and destroying air targets at an altitude of 8 km. Let at least not in the series but in the prototype. If you have seen, please share the link (thanks in advance), if you have not seen, do not do it.
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 16: 41
            +8
            Don't you think that the characteristics and capabilities of the S-70 are unnecessary for the destruction of bayraktars? It is easier and cheaper to bring something like Altair than to pave with gold
            1. Alexey Sommer
              Alexey Sommer 22 December 2020 17: 28
              +15
              Quote: Stroibat stock
              Easier and cheaper to bring something like Altair

              Hey.
              You see what's the matter. Altair against Bayraktar, this is the same as Bayraktar against Altair, do you understand? Approximately equal.
              And therefore, the result is not predictable.
              And when you start a conflict, you need to be sure that the result suits you.
              Therefore, of course, the Hunter in this case is certainly the best option from the nearest cash.
              1. Reserve buildbat
                Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 17: 32
                +2
                Good evening. If Altair is used as a carrier of "Needle" missiles, then speed and maneuverability are not important. And there is room for equipment.
                "Hunter" is designed to destroy many times more complex targets, respectively, it carries much more effective means of observation and aiming and is designed to use much more powerful means of destruction from it. Its capabilities are simply redundant.
                1. KCA
                  KCA 22 December 2020 17: 45
                  +12
                  Do you think there is an IR seeker for missiles like "Needles" capable of aiming at ICEs or electric motors of drones? And the use of a radar seeker will increase the missile to the size and weight applicable only to heavy UAVs, thereby returning to the "Okhotnik"
                2. Alexey Sommer
                  Alexey Sommer 22 December 2020 18: 00
                  +12
                  Quote: Stroibat stock
                  If you use Altair

                  Here the whole point is that Bayraktar versus Altair, or vice versa, is the same as hunting roe deer for roe deer. Those. the result is not 100%.
                  They and Bayraktaru can suspend missiles with IR seeker.
                  And the Hunter against Bayraktar is already a cheetah against a roe deer. And in this fight, the roe deer have no chance at all ..
                  Do you understand?
                  1. MstislavHrabr
                    MstislavHrabr 22 December 2020 18: 36
                    0
                    Now, if a hunter could give target designation for Altair, then it would be another matter ...
                    1. Eroma
                      Eroma 22 December 2020 23: 23
                      -3
                      What's so hard, a bunch of UAVs is a bunch of bobbles! One Yak52 with an outboard machine gun and a DOSAAF cadet are the cheapest means to combat UAVs over their territory! The main thing is that the enemy does not fly into the air defense zone! Strange as it may seem, but a sports plane is, in my opinion, an order of magnitude or orders of magnitude cheaper than an uav repeat and only one person in control, and the UAV has a whole team
                      1. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 22 December 2020 23: 42
                        0
                        Isn't it a pity to send a man to death? If you take Turkov Bayraktar and Anka, these are the first signs. They have Aksungur in the series went, Akinchi will go next year. They will already have AFAR and air-to-air missiles. Until 2023, jet unmanned UAVs Mius and Goksungur will go into production (they say that this one will be supersonic). Which will be in a fighter configuration.
                        The attack on Bayraktar and Anki will unmask the attacker and will be shot down by the older UAV models.
                        We need a full-fledged UAV fighter, like Boeing's Loyal Wingman. More precisely, a whole family on a single platform.
                      2. Eroma
                        Eroma 22 December 2020 23: 57
                        0
                        Naturally, there is no need to send a human to drones with explosives! Although the question of tactics, probably, the UAV with its AFAR should look behind the protected object so as not to miss an attack on it! And who will look after the UAV with AFAR? First you attack him, and then you take off the drummers. Then what will the UAV, the propeller-driven aircraft attack? They like IR seeker are poorly guided, and if they are, what prevents them from hanging the same on their hawk? All the same, the pilot of the aircraft has a better orientation in space than the UAV team, and he is still in the position of a hunter, which means he has initiative, and even over his territory. True, such a pilot is no longer a DOSAAF cadet, but at least a "green" fighter pilot, he will just fill his hand.
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            2. Glad
              Glad 27 December 2020 17: 17
              0
              You see what's the matter. Altair against Bayraktar, this is the same as Bayraktar against Altair, do you understand? Approximately equal.
              And therefore, the result is not predictable.

              Let me disagree with you, dear colleague. Meeting in the air Ju-87 and, for example, La-5, during the Great Patriotic War, was quite predictable. Perhaps even predetermined. Specialization is specialization, on the one hand.
              On the other hand, our economy is growing at full growth. "Bayraktar" is incommensurably cheaper than "Hunter". What does it mean? It's very simple. There is no way to provide the required number of "Hunters" to neutralize all possible uses of "Bayraktars".
              And what you need? And what is needed is a SPECIALIZED UAV interceptor commensurate in cost, preferably loitering (with a short response time to a threat) and, most importantly, at the disposal of platoon-company commanders.
              Further. I read the comments here. For some reason, most colleagues believe that the interceptor must necessarily have on board the means of detecting enemy UAVs. What for? Nobody canceled the possibility of targeting from the ground. The interceptor is left with cheap equipment for communication with the command post and cheap equipment (IR or TV) for direct weapon guidance. In general, the scheme is the same as for the interceptors of the 50s, such as the MiG-17, MiG-19 or MiG-21. They, too, did not have a full-fledged radar station, but a radio sight.
              Now about the fantasy. Namely - about the means of destruction. In order not to "pinch" a hunting shotgun to the UAV, it is quite possible (and quite quickly) to create a specialized shotgun or a small-caliber NAR, sharpened to combat the UAV. Moreover, the NAR block is preferable, since it is recoilless (no recoil) and simple, like a drum stick, which means it is cheap. Whether it is necessary to design specialized guided missiles to intercept UAVs like Bayraktar is a big question. For me personally, this need is not obvious.
              Something like that...
          2. bk316
            bk316 22 December 2020 17: 29
            +11
            Don't you think that the characteristics and capabilities of the S-70 are unnecessary for the destruction of bayraktars?

            Superfluous, well, the su-57 is superfluous for the F-15, and the su-35 for the F-16. This is what is called superiority fighters. They should be superfluous in order to calmly solve their problems without feats.
            It is easier and cheaper to bring something like Altair than to pave with gold

            We have nothing like that. And Altair is not there either. Moreover, no one said that Altair would be able to work on air targets. Perhaps it will be necessary to change the radar. In addition, Altair is not suitable in terms of speed, it is practically equal to a biker.
          3. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 22 December 2020 18: 10
            -6
            Quote: Stroibat stock
            Don't you think that the characteristics and capabilities of the S-70 are unnecessary for the destruction of bayraktars? It is easier and cheaper to bring something like Altair than to pave with gold

            Well done, Vanya! So their "all sorts"! I agree with you that the "Hunter" is "redundant" for the fight against Bayraktars TV2! A smaller and simpler drone is sufficient for this! It is a pity that some tovarischi do not understand this, but only "crumble a loaf"!
          4. aleks26
            aleks26 23 December 2020 11: 57
            +2
            Quote: Stroibat stock
            Don't you think that the characteristics and capabilities of the S-70 are unnecessary for the destruction of bayraktars?

            And what, apart from bayraktars in the world, our "partners" have no more drones? And more high-rise, and faster and much more expensive than bayraktars.
        2. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 22 December 2020 16: 54
          +1
          Quote: bk316

          Have you seen somewhere (not necessarily here) a "simple propeller-driven" UAV capable of detecting, pursuing and destroying air targets at an altitude of 8 km. Let at least not in the series but in the prototype. If you have seen, please share the link (thanks in advance), if you have not seen, do not do it.

          So it's not over yet. But from a cannon to sparrows, too, somehow not very good.
        3. venik
          venik 22 December 2020 18: 05
          +10
          Quote: bk316
          Have you seen somewhere (not necessarily here) a "simple propeller-driven" UAV capable of detecting, pursuing and destroying air targets at an altitude of 8 km.

          ========
          We saw, we saw !!! And with us! Pli-and-from:

          UAV interceptor, designed at the Student Design Bureau of Aviation Modeling (SKB-AM) of the Moscow Aviation Institute by order of JSC Concern VKO Almaz-Antey. It is armed with a 12-gauge Vepr 12 Hammer smoothbore carbine with an electronic escapement and a 10-round box magazine. On trials Beat down in "air combat" actively maneuvering small UAV target (though from the third approach sad ) and not at an altitude of 8 km, but somewhat .... lower .... BUT - Beat down! ("Down and Out trouble started"!). By the way - takes off and sits down - VERTICAL!
          Sources:
          https://rossaprimavera.ru/news/49c82931;
          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3583656.html?page=2;
          https://lenta.ru/news/2019/04/01/nightmare/

          and etc.
          laughing hi drinks
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 22 December 2020 20: 38
            +2
            Quote: venik
            An interceptor UAV designed at the Student Design Bureau of Aviation Modeling (SKB-AM) of the Moscow Aviation Institute by order of Concern VKO Almaz-Antey. It is armed with a 12-gauge Vepr 12 Hammer smoothbore carbine with an electronic trigger and a 10-round box magazine.

            I have already posted this "interceptor" in one of the comments (even a video ...) ... But the point is that this is a concept (!) ... an experimental sample! This sample is not intended for adoption! It is meant to test some crazy ideas! On the basis of this concept, it is possible to develop a more perfect "advanced" version! But Voz-Mozh-Na!
            1. venik
              venik 22 December 2020 21: 33
              +4
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              This sample is not intended for adoption!

              =========
              Duc and I, what serial called him? The pepper is clear - the guys took the model, installed the radio control, screwed on the shotgun ..... And - voila! Flies and even Knocks down! means - CAN?!
        4. Thorvlobnor IV
          Thorvlobnor IV 23 December 2020 12: 53
          0
          http://www.wing.com.ua/content/view/27723/36/
          the Ukrainians are clearly trying to adapt ultralight aircraft to shoot down low-speed UAVs. They will put a machine gun on Aeroprakt - and forward, as in the 1st World War.
          1. tikhonov66
            tikhonov66 24 December 2020 13: 20
            0
            "...
            They will put a machine gun on Aeroprakt - and forward, as in the 1st World War.
            ..."
            - That machine gun will give a burst - and "Aeroprakt" will STOP ... You understand, nobody canceled the recoil ... Well, then - "into a tailspin"!
            - pay attention - the "student model" shown to the tower - shoots SINGLE !!
      2. loki565
        loki565 22 December 2020 17: 16
        0
        Probably you can hang a couple of MANPADS and an optical station, the question is in speed and carrying capacity.
        1. bk316
          bk316 22 December 2020 17: 47
          +9
          Probably you can hang a couple of MANPADS and an optical station, the question is in speed and carrying capacity.

          Hang? Have you ever designed? Well, something quite simple.
          Have you tried to put xenon on a vaz or for example a Rhine marin on a boat fireworks?
          1. venik
            venik 22 December 2020 18: 10
            -5
            Quote: bk316
            Have you ever designed? Well, something quite simple.
            Have you tried to put xenon on a vaz or for example a Rhine marin on a boat fireworks?

            =======
            Aha! AND more difficult - also!!!
            And you??? laughing
            1. bk316
              bk316 22 December 2020 18: 28
              +4
              And you???

              There was a case.
              Well, explain how you are going to pair the optical station (by the way, which one) with the MANPADS (which by the way) and why specifically MANPADS and not a V-V missile? Where will you feed all this joy, how in the end will you secure this MANPADS with clamps for the tube? By the way, I have not yet seen a MANPADS working without preliminary target acquisition, how does a baykatar actually get into a MANPADS sight? And the rocket will not destroy the UAV with a jet stream?
              Is the UAV fuselage generally designed for such loads? Answer these questions, everything is simple ...
              1. venik
                venik 22 December 2020 22: 50
                -2
                Quote: bk316
                Well, explain how you are going to pair the optical station (which by the way) with the MANPADS (which by the way) and why exactly MANPADS, and not the V-V missile?

                =========
                Well, about MANPADS, then the respected "loki565" obviously meant missiles like "Igla" / "Verba", as the most small-sized и homing, and therefore the most suitable for such tasks. By the way, they are used, incl. and as a weapon of air combat:
                Igla MANPADS on the Mi-28 pylon:

                ------
                Quote: bk316
                Where will you feed all this joy

                ==========
                From the same place where all the UAV electronics are powered - from the on-board network! request
                -------
                Quote: bk316
                how in the end will you fix this MANPADS with clamps for the tube?

                ==========
                Approximately the way it was attached to the Mi-28 helicopter (they are also attached to our other machines: Mi-24 and Ka-52). You can use lightweight suspension units - one "tube" for each pylon. Structurally, this do not eat a big problem.
                --------
                Quote: bk316
                By the way, I have not yet seen MANPADS working without prior target acquisition.

                ===========
                And this should mean that they DO NOT EXIST?
                By the way - I haven't seen either, but nevertheless - they ARE !:

                MANPADS "Blowpipe". GOS is absent. Radio command guidance. Britain 1972


                MANPADS RBS-70, Sweden, 1977. GOS does not have, it is guided by a laser beam (more precisely, it flies "in the beam".


                MANPADS "Javelin", "Britain, 1984. GOS has no, radio command control.

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                Quote: bk316
                how does the baikatar actually get into the sight of MANPADS?

                =========
                And HOW does it (target) get into the sight of the MANPADS gunner? In this case, obviously, not without the help of an optical location station (OLS), similar to those that are installed on all domestic fighters.

                -------
                Quote: bk316
                And the rocket will not destroy the UAV with a jet stream?
                Is the UAV fuselage generally designed for such loads? Answer these questions, everything is simple ...

                =========
                First, it won't destroy. And that's for sure! Checked (experimentally ) 45 years ago, when our "smart" children (or rather teenage) heads came up with a "grandiose" idea to launch a model of a rocket from a radio-controlled aerobatic model of an aircraft. Fortunately, the rocket modeling circle at our Station of young technicians was located "door to door" with our aircraft modeling ...... I went like a mother! Only the airplane swayed noticeably at the moment of launch ..... And then the wing had to be tinted ..... But the sight was GREAT!
                You can, of course, use the "catapult" method (this is how CDs are launched from the internal suspension of bombers).
                So everything is simple .... Unless of course "turn on the brains"
                That is WHY the UAV itself should be destroyed when the rocket is launched - this is completely UNCLEAR! What are these destructive forces should act on him? Moreover, there are quite small in weight and dimensions IMPACT UAVs (the same "Bayraktar"), using missiles!
              2. tikhonov66
                tikhonov66 24 December 2020 13: 30
                0
                "...
                And the rocket will not destroy the UAV with a jet stream?
                ..."
                - Dear "developer", - You surprise me ...
                The overwhelming majority of powerful "rockets" - FIRST UNHOOT from the aircraft suspension - and begin to free fall, And only after that they turn on the main accelerating engine.
                - Look, for example, a video with the launch of the "dagger" ...
                8-)))
          2. tikhonov66
            tikhonov66 24 December 2020 13: 25
            0
            ", ..
            Hang? Have you ever designed?
            ..."
            - nuuuu - vascheto a video camera with "gimble" -suspension - can be installed on any UAV - ELEMENTARY ...
            This is the same functionally complete unit - together with built-in accelerometers, camera position drives and even its own video transmitter ..
            - I ordered a kit with instructions in China, received it by mail - attached it to the UAV - and everything works!
            - and this is the materiel!
      3. Anar
        Anar 23 December 2020 00: 03
        -3
        Well, dead crows in Syria and Libya and Karabakh made a fuss. And until now, no one has stopped the dead crows, I emphasize absolutely no one .... Conclusion, one should not underestimate the enemy.
        1. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 24 December 2020 13: 35
          -1
          "...
          And until now, no one has stopped the dead crows, I emphasize absolutely not who ...
          ..."
          - and again you are lying ... 8 - ((
          If, “no one stopped the dead crows, I emphasize absolutely no one,” then our base in Syria would no longer exist ...
          - learn materiel!
    3. onstar9
      onstar9 27 December 2020 05: 25
      -1
      Quote: bk316
      What does the microscope have to do with it?
      It is known that large attack UAVs are easier (and cheaper) to shoot down with fighters.
      The hunter is in every way cheaper than drying, so it is even more suitable for this.
      Here the question is in technical capabilities, that is, in the sighting system and weapons for hitting air targets.

      It's a good idea to chase mosquitoes .... There are drones and 200 kg. The main thing is not to hit them under the belly of some small unnoticed drone ...
  2. Runoway
    Runoway 22 December 2020 16: 24
    -1
    With the word
    CAN

    every day you can rivet so much news wassat
    Up to the point that it MAY IN THE FUTURE SHUTDOWN SATELLITES AND MAKE INTERSTELLAR FLIGHTS
  3. businessv
    businessv 22 December 2020 16: 27
    +9
    Quote: Stroibat stock
    And an electron microscope can hammer in nails.
    But I definitely cannot agree with this, colleague! Have you seen him personally? Electron microscope! Bulky and heavy contraption.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 December 2020 16: 53
      -6
      Quote: businessv
      Have you seen him personally? Electron microscope! Bulky and heavy contraption.

      And you? Or only Russian-made?
      Pliz:
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 17: 12
        +7
        This is not a microscope, but a toy. I have 3 of them in my warehouse. Not sold in 7 years. So please don’t confuse a scientific instrument with children's entertainment.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 22 December 2020 18: 05
          -8
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          This is not a microscope, but a toy. I have 3 of them in my warehouse. Not sold in 7 years. So please don’t confuse a scientific instrument with children's entertainment.

          Young man! You are like in that famous movie:
      2. bk316
        bk316 22 December 2020 18: 02
        +11
        And you? Or only Russian-made?

        Yuri Balabolych, how is it possible, is it really not a shame? request
        An electron microscope is a bandura with half a room

        Yes, you can't even put it in an ordinary house, it must have special grounding.
        And you are a picture of a DIGITAL microscope, which cunning sellers sell blondes like an electronic one (it connects to a computer!) laughing
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 23 December 2020 06: 03
          -5
          Quote: bk316
          Yuri Balabolych, how is it possible, is it really not a shame?

          If you were not sent to your mother, this does not mean that you are a good son. My middle name is Vasilievich. Do you distinguish between the principles of magnification (optical and digital)? There are digital cameras, digital devices, digital microscopes and your anachronism in this area and knowledge, except for laughter, causes nothing ... Are you trying to insult me? Read here:
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Электронный_микроскоп
          Major world manufacturers of electron microscopes
          Carl Zeiss NTS GmbH - Germany
          FEI Company - USA (merged with Philips Electron Optics)
          Hitachi - Japan
          JEOL - Japan (Japan Electron Optics Laboratory)
          Tescan from Czech Republic
          Delong Group - Czech Republic
          KYKY - China
          Nion Company - USA
          FOCUS GmbH - Germany
          Coxem from Korea

          Description
          Electronic portable USB microscope with the ability to capture video and photos. The microscope is a fully functional instrument that, when connected to a computer, allows you to see an enlarged image of objects up to 500 times. In addition to this, you can record a video clip or take photos for storage and later viewing.
          Matrix - 2 MegaPixel
          Resolution - 640x480 and 1600x1200
          LED backlight
          Powered by computer

          And you, not only have rested (stared), as a representative of the artiodactyl family from the bovine family, at the new gate, and even pull up some "sang along" to the discussion. You will learn to acknowledge existing facts, rather than be guided by your self-conceit ...
          stop Facts in the studio or "Hände hoch" (hands up) ...
          1. bk316
            bk316 23 December 2020 23: 42
            0
            Facts in the studio or "Hände hoch" (hands up) ...

            Please

            Will you admit you're wrong?
            Or spit the dew in the eyes?

            And on occasion he sang along, these are just people who have mastered the course of the Soviet secondary school (where they told how the electron microscope differs from the optical one), which is apparently not given to you.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 24 December 2020 14: 48
              0
              Quote: bk316
              Will you admit you're wrong?

              To admit that the dumbass didn't even bother to read the definition of an electronic device?
              Electronic device - an electronic device / device created from electronic components (the principle of operation of which is based on the interaction of charged particles with electromagnetic fields), used to convert electromagnetic energy (for example, to transmit, process and store information).

              It is because of such stubborn scientists and various Ph.D. we lag behind the manufacturers of electronic devices, because we cannot find a ground electrode at home ...
      3. businessv
        businessv 22 December 2020 18: 14
        +6
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And you? Or only Russian-made?

        I, of course, saw, that's why I say! And you did not use the word "portable"! Be more precise, colleague! hi
      4. Vitaly Pogrebnyak
        Vitaly Pogrebnyak 22 December 2020 21: 31
        +1
        This microscope is just a piece of lewdness.
      5. venik
        venik 22 December 2020 23: 36
        +5
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: businessv
        Have you seen him personally? Electron microscope! Bulky and heavy contraption.

        And you? Or only Russian-made?
        Pliz:

        =========
        My friend, do you at least understand the DIFFERENCE between a "digital" toy and an "ELECTRONIC MICROSCOPE" ??? Then take a look at at least "Wikipedia" !!!
        ".....an electron microscope is a device that allows you to image objects with maximum magnification up to 10⁶ times, thanks to the use, unlike an optical microscope, instead of a light flux, electron beam with energies of 200 eV - 400 keV and more...... "
        Translucent electron microscope JEOL JEM-ARM200F

        PS Learn materiel and you will be happy ... laughing
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 23 December 2020 06: 22
          -2
          Quote: venik
          My friend, do you at least understand the DIFFERENCE between a "digital" toy and an "ELECTRONIC MICROSCOPE" ??? Then take a look at at least "Wikipedia" !!!
          "..... an electron microscope is a device that allows you to image objects with a maximum magnification of up to 10⁶ times, thanks to the use, unlike an optical microscope, instead of a light flux, an electron beam with energies of 200 eV - 400 keV and more ... .. "

          I have a feeling that I am talking to the madmen in a well-known institution (Kanatchikova dacha)
          An electron microscope (EM) is a device that allows one to obtain an image of objects with a maximum magnification of up to 10⁶ times, due to the use, in contrast to an optical microscope, instead of a light flux, an electron beam with energies of 200 eV - 400 keV or more (for example, transmission electron microscopes of high resolution with an accelerating voltage of 1 MV).

          Watch your hands:
          allowing you to image objects at maximum magnification up to 10⁶ times

          UP TO 10⁶ times !!!
          Remember the annoying ad there:
          "From twenty ... from twenty"
          So, "up to 500 times" is included in the interval "from 0 to 10⁶"
          The main difference between an electron microscope (in the general concept of a device) is the principle of magnification !!!
          NOT THROUGH LENSES, BUT ELECTRONIC ELEMENTS ...
          1. venik
            venik 23 December 2020 13: 02
            +2
            Quote: ROSS 42
            I have a feeling that I am talking to the madmen in a well-known institution (Kanatchikova dacha)

            =========
            Me too! And not just crazy, but also not educated ("3 classes of the parish school"), decisively unable to understand the difference между photons forming an image in an optical microscope (regardless of whether a lens system or a semiconductor photosensitive matrix is ​​used as an eyepiece) and electrons, forming an image in the "eponymous" microscope!
            -------------
            Quote: ROSS 42
            The main difference between an electron microscope (in the general concept of a device) is the principle of magnification !!! NOT THROUGH LENS BUT ELECTRONIC ELEMENTS ...

            ===========
            belay Those. do you think that there are NO lenses in an electron microscope ??? Are you serious??? belay Hard case! recourse
            I must tell you (a big secret of course!) That they are there - ARE! (only t-s-s-s! This is a big secret!) lol .... Just the role of lenses (focusing and defocusing) in an electron microscope is performed by electromagnetic field certain configuration. Which is understandable, given that
            The devices that create it are called "electromagnetic lenses"
            Short educational program (device and principle of operation of an electron microscope):

            In an electron microscope, a stream of electrons (1) is created by a heated tungsten cathode (2) of an electron gun (3) and is focused by the upper (4) and lower (5) electromagnetic lenses. Then the electrons pass through the annular hole (6) and the scanning coil (7) and are finally focused by the projector lens (8) on the sample under study (9). The whole process takes place in a vacuum, air is removed by a pump (10). The work of the scanning coil, which directs the beam so that it passes over the entire object, is controlled by a computer. The sample is placed in the air chamber (11) and manually set to the desired position (12). The image of the object under study appears due to the fixation of electrons reflected from the object (13). The movement of these electrons is correlated with the shape of the object's surface; they are detected when they hit the fluorescent target (15) of the detector (14). The resulting image is displayed on the computer display (16).
            And what you have deigned to demonstrate to the public in the photo is nothing more than an ordinary OPTICAL microseop (because the image is formed by PHOTONS visible spectrum where eyepiece replaced by a light-sensitive semiconductor matrix and display! AND NO MORE!
            This is of course more convenient, but resolution microscope DOES NOT HAVE any influence! The name "electron" for such microscopes was invented absolutely illiterate "sales managers"!
            PS There is a saying: "Of the two disputing - one fool (for they do not know, but argues), the other is a swindler (because he knows, but supports the dispute) ".
            PPS Since by virtue of my specialty and profession I had to work a lot on electron microscopes, the question: "who is who" is up to you! (This is for you "kanatchikova dacha")!
            Sincerely ( lol ), Vladimir, (Ph.D. 01.04.07) solid state physics). hi
          2. bk316
            bk316 23 December 2020 19: 29
            0
            NOT THROUGH LENSES, BUT ELECTRONIC ELEMENTS ...

            But no, NOT WITH THE HELP OF ELECTRONIC ELEMENTS, BUT WITH THE HELP OF A BEAM OF ELECTRONS.
            You see, not photons, but electrons.
            What you are writing about is a digital optical microscope.
            Energy of 400eV will simply burst this toy.
      6. tikhonov66
        tikhonov66 24 December 2020 14: 03
        0
        "...
        Have you seen him personally? Electron microscope! Bulky and heavy contraption.

        And you? Or only Russian-made?
        Pliz:
        ..."
        - Are you Joking? !!
        This "never" is not an ELECTRONIC microscope - it is an ELECTRIC (!!) - feel the difference.
        Bo ELECTRONIC microscope is one in which the image is built not by LIGHT WAVES, but by the method of CAPTURING THE FLOW OF ELECTRONS SCATTERED by the object of study It is used when studying objects with dimensions LESS THAN THE LENGTH OF THE LIGHT WAVE - i.e. with linear dimensions - LESS than 300 nanometers (3exp-7 meters = 3exp-3 millimeters = 0.001 millimeters). It is not necessary, I think, to say - that the electron beam (which scans the object) - can propagate ONLY IN HIGH VACUUM (which implies the presence in the column of the microscope that forms the electron beam and the studied object itself IN HIGH (!!!) VACUUM - i.e. the presence of at least a fore-vacuum and diffusion vacuum pumps under the "microscope") and the formation of an electron beam is performed, usually with an overclocking voltage of at least 100000 (one hundred thousand) volts and subsequent "MAGNETIC lenses" - and all this is by no means COMPACT. In a word - nature - you WILL NOT REMEMBER it ...

        see for example MODERN German ELECTRONIC microscopes
        https://www.veld.kz/index.html?id=4150

        - and this is MATCH!
    2. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 17: 10
      +9
      The one I saw was impossible to lift. It was on a concrete base, weighing several tons itself, and occupied half a room.
      1. bk316
        bk316 22 December 2020 18: 04
        +8
        it was impossible to lift

        Uh-huh, I posted a photo of one of the most compact (Japanese). How can they hammer a nail in my mind? laughing
        1. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 18: 54
          +3
          About this "Japanese" Chinese production, I have already answered smile
          Don't confuse toys with scientific equipment
        2. poquello
          poquello 22 December 2020 23: 29
          +4
          Quote: bk316
          it was impossible to lift

          Uh-huh, I posted a photo of one of the most compact (Japanese). How can they hammer a nail in my mind? laughing

          well, it's elementary, take apart the microscope, find a suitable part, hammer a nail in it, assemble the microscope
      2. halpat
        halpat 22 December 2020 18: 49
        0
        Quote: stock buildbat
        The one I saw was impossible to lift. It was on a concrete base, weighing several tons itself, and occupied half a room.

        lamp:))
        and they called it "electronic" because electrons run around in the wires, transmit current.
        1. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 18: 55
          +4
          transistor)))) An excellent unit, which is already about 50 years old, but the image quality is still better than that of the "new fashionable"
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 22 December 2020 16: 28
    0
    For such operations, the Hunter can act autonomously. And its very appearance in the skies over a particular combat zone where attack UAVs are used can become a decisive factor for these UAVs to cease to be used there ...
    Will be able to shoot down successfully, what doubts, but ..... front width for one "Hunter"? Rather, it is not a "destroyer" of the Bayraktar shock drones, but a guaranteed "umbrella".
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 December 2020 16: 49
    +4
    Quote: Stroibat stock
    Yeah. And an electron microscope can drive nails

    Have you seen the electron microscope live? It is very difficult for them to "score" anything ... Optical - you can ... well, not everyone. laughing
  6. loki565
    loki565 22 December 2020 17: 11
    +2
    The question is how he will detect them, what kind of radar is there, what missiles, while everything is very blurry.
  7. venik
    venik 22 December 2020 17: 38
    +3
    Quote: stock buildbat
    Yeah. And an electron microscope can hammer in nails.

    =========
    Can! And very effective! ..... If, of course raise (electron microscope)!.... lol drinks
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 18: 57
      +1
      I'll raise it. By crane. After several hours of preparatory work. And with due care I will even hammer in a nail laughing
  8. My doctor
    My doctor 22 December 2020 17: 58
    0
    Quote: Stroibat stock
    Yeah. And an electron microscope can hammer in nails.

    At your leisure, see what an electron microscope looks like.
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 18: 57
      +1
      Read the comments at your leisure. So as not to look like a giraffe.
  9. poquello
    poquello 22 December 2020 19: 54
    0
    Quote: stock buildbat
    Yeah. And an electron microscope can hammer in nails.

    here is the first thought is the same right away, they would modify the flying Kalash for these purposes, although also why - the difficulty is to detect bayaktars in time
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  • Hermit21
    Hermit21 22 December 2020 16: 16
    +18
    Hospade, went crazy with their "Bayraktars". Soon the Xperds' shiza will become so aggravated that the S-500 will be called a means of dealing with them.
    1. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 22 December 2020 17: 56
      +2
      Quote: Hermit21
      Hospade, went crazy with their "Bayraktars"

      To the point. The Turkish apparatus is certainly interesting. But there is a more serious adversary with its technologies. The USA, Israel, for example, "X-47B" .. If the HUNTER can handle them, then I think the turret will not be a problem.
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 22 December 2020 16: 20
    -7
    Maybe he can't. If he can, we'll talk.
    Now let them say better with the nozzle solved the problem? Flying wing implies the concept of "stealth", which is canceled out by the circular engine nozzle.
    1. Land defence
      Land defence 22 December 2020 16: 32
      +21
      Quote: Andre___86
      Flying wing implies the concept of "invisibility", which is canceled out by a circular engine nozzle

      This copy is for flight tests. There will be a flat nozzle in the series.
      1. Andre___86
        Andre___86 22 December 2020 18: 39
        -5
        Have you seen him? The engine of the 2nd stage for the 57 was not finished, the civil pd14 was sawed for a decade, taking into account the backlog of the Soviet.
        Oh no Cradle. He was an outstanding designer.
        1. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 22 December 2020 19: 00
          +1
          Have seen. The S-70 flat nozzle is being successfully tested. It's just that for guidance and communication systems, for example, it doesn't matter which nozzle. At least a six-pointed star. lol And the issues of visibility, controllability, etc. tested on a prototype with a flat nozzle.
          1. Andre___86
            Andre___86 22 December 2020 19: 49
            0
            There were only layouts. The flight was not. In flight there is no engine. Finish, in 5 years)))
  • iouris
    iouris 22 December 2020 16: 23
    0
    Why does he need the Su-57?
  • businessv
    businessv 22 December 2020 16: 25
    +4
    This a priori provides the ability to perform combat missions to "accelerate" or directly destroy the Bayraktar-class attack UAVs in virtually any conditions.
    For me personally, a person who does not understand the intricacies of air battles and aviation in general, everything written sounds very attractive, and the name "Hunter" is appropriate! smile I look forward to comments from the pros!
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 22 December 2020 16: 39
      +16
      Quote: businessv
      .. Waiting for comments from the pros!

      You are late, my friend, the pros fled from this site about 7-8 years ago ... that's why such articles began to appear ... in order to spoil the fragile minds and hang noodles for them ... now there are pros from political propagandists ... hi
      1. businessv
        businessv 22 December 2020 18: 11
        +5
        Quote: Nasr
        now there are pros from political propagandists.

        Bad! sad
    2. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 22 December 2020 16: 58
      0
      And that, quite a normal application. Put 1-2 machine guns on the "Hunter", normal ammunition, and with its help, having the advantage in speed and height, enter the sent UAV flocks and beat them from above from behind! It will be cheaper than knocking down from "Shell" or "Buk", I think so.
  • Konnick
    Konnick 22 December 2020 16: 43
    -9
    A massive apparatus with a jet engine, leaving a good mark on the air defense systems' radars, will be shot down before it reaches the target. And the point is to direct it if the air defense system could shoot down the UAV themselves. I don't see the point ... maybe, it can't, first you need to learn how to just shoot down the UAV.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat 22 December 2020 16: 45
      +5
      Quote: Konnick
      , first you need to learn how to just shoot down the UAV.

      Hrenase, and in Khmeimim they don't even know that first you just need to learn how to shoot down the UAV ...
    2. lopvlad
      lopvlad 22 December 2020 17: 18
      +9
      Quote: Konnick
      A massive apparatus with a jet engine, leaving a good mark on the air defense systems' radars, will be shot down before it reaches the target.


      Why is it so negative about the F-35, the Americans did, tried and you immediately shoot down.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 22 December 2020 16: 47
    +2
    Who is the author of this nonsense?
    Yes, this is practically the "author of the year"!
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 22 December 2020 17: 22
      +1
      A rare occurrence, but I agree.
  • u-345
    u-345 22 December 2020 16: 59
    +8
    If you take a sober look at the situation, then it is extremely ineffective to deal with UAVs using traditional methods - aimed fire.
    Of course, you can catch cockroaches one at a time, you just get tortured, or you can dichlorvos.
    I imagine that something like a "brain burner" is needed here, a powerful electromagnetic pulse. Something like an EM bomb.
  • ximkim
    ximkim 22 December 2020 17: 25
    +2
    Like the one and the second UAVs, they are designed to deliver payloads to targets on the ground, rather than targets in the air.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 22 December 2020 17: 27
    -5
    then the use of the "Hunter" as a "destroyer" of the Bayraktar attack drones - as one of the manifestations of direct air interception - is not something incredible.


    the question is not the likelihood but the stupidity of this decision, because it is tantamount to using the SU-57 to hunt for "corncrackers." in MANPADS "Verba".
    1. bk316
      bk316 22 December 2020 18: 09
      +3
      For hunting bayraktars, it is advisable to use

      Wow sofa generals are replaced by sofa general designers belay
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad 23 December 2020 11: 45
        -1
        Quote: bk316
        Whoa couch generals are replaced


        hinting at yourself?
  • Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 22 December 2020 17: 32
    +2
    We need an UAV AWACS like this -



    And strike UAVs, including those capable of using air-to-air missiles and made using low-visibility technology, and reactive ones, to quickly intercept targets and turboprop, to stay in the air for a long time, patrolling the desired area and attacking targets if they appear.
    1. bk316
      bk316 22 December 2020 18: 07
      +5
      Everyone needs one.
  • certero
    certero 22 December 2020 18: 22
    +1
    Quote: bk316
    What does the microscope have to do with it?

    Given that each tool must be used for its intended purpose. A heavy unmanned vehicle weighing ten tons with supersonic speed can be used to shoot down rattles with the characteristics of school radio-controlled models. It is precisely to misuse the tool
    1. bk316
      bk316 22 December 2020 18: 41
      +4
      A heavy unmanned vehicle weighing ten tons with supersonic speed to use to shoot down tarahtels with the characteristics of school radio-controlled models

      Are you insane? We are talking about a bike with a wingspan of 12 m, takeoff more than half a ton ...
      Cost 10 MILLION DOLLARS TEN MILLION CARL !!!
      This is where you can see a school model for 10 green lemons?
  • Naughty
    Naughty 22 December 2020 18: 29
    -6
    Erdogan praised his BYTRACTORS all over the world And in fact it is an elementary simple drone And then we break spears How to shoot him down? With the Armenians, he is undoubtedly good because there is nothing to bring him down. Against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, I think the thing is completely useless. It's easier to turn it back to where it started from. Let it be unloaded there.
    1. bk316
      bk316 22 December 2020 18: 58
      +5
      But in fact, this is an elementary simple drone. And then we break spears. How to shoot it down?

      Well, not the simplest one - a classmate of our Orion, even the engine is the same.
      Only baykatar in series a orion is not clear.
      And the simplest is some kind of room 421 ...
  • MstislavHrabr
    MstislavHrabr 22 December 2020 18: 39
    +1
    I'm waiting for information that the Hunter gives target designation for Altair, then it's another matter ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 22 December 2020 19: 34
    +2
    Is that in order to check systems, training ... that's just where they can meet, who will tell you?
  • Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 22 December 2020 19: 59
    -1
    if only ... no specifics.
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 22 December 2020 20: 58
    0
    Taking this into account, the use of the Hunter as a "destroyer" of Bayraktar attack drones - as one of the manifestations of direct air interception - is not something incredible.
    fool The "hunter" is not a "destroyer" but an "umbrella". But, if the Bayraktars are smeared along the front, then the Hunters must also be smeared along the front. Will their cost and quantity be comparable? request Even if for 1 "Hunter" - 3 "Bayraktar". repeat
    1. bk316
      bk316 22 December 2020 21: 10
      +2
      Will their cost and quantity be comparable?

      And you count - a bayraktar is worth 10 Lyams the hunter promised for 20 Lyams.
      So it's okay.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 22 December 2020 22: 56
        -3
        Quote: bk316
        bayraktar costs 10 lyamov the hunter promised for 20 lyamas.

        The price of Bayraktar TB2 is $ 2-3 million per plane. The most expensive thing is the wescam optoelectronic system in the region of $ 500, everything else is not expensive, for example, an engine ~ $ 000
        1. bk316
          bk316 23 December 2020 19: 33
          0
          The price of Bayraktar TB2 is $ 2-3 million per plane.

          Why does everyone buy it for 10? laughing
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 23 December 2020 19: 46
            -2
            Nobody buys for this amount. Ukrainians region for 5 bought
            1. Lex_is
              Lex_is 23 December 2020 23: 20
              0
              Nobody buys for this amount. Ukrainians region for 5 bought


              Wrong.

              the Ukrainian side signed a contract worth 69 million dollars for the purchase of two systems of reconnaissance and attack unmanned aerial vehicles Bayraktar TB2. The delivery will include six Bayraktar TB2 UAVs, two ground control stations and 200 guided missiles. The price also includes a set of spare parts, service support and training of personnel.


              The Tunisian government has signed a contract with Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) for the supply of six Anka-S unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and three control stations. The contract also includes technology transfer. The total value of the contract is $ 240 million.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 23 December 2020 23: 35
                -2
                I’m not mistaken.
                Ukraine bought 6 planes, 3 ground stations, 200 guided bombs, service maintenance, etc.
                The planes themselves are in the 30 million region The rest 39 are for bombs, ground stations, service, etc. Besides, we do not know what exactly is included in the contract.
                The Tunisian contract for 240 million did not materialize. They recently signed a new contract. Anka is a class higher than Bayraktar, naturally more expensive, so they will rise to 10k.
                Aircraft in any contract account for 40-60% of the total. In the case of UAVs, ground stations are much more expensive than aircraft.
                The Tunisian Ministry of Defense has signed a contract with the military technology company TUSAŞ to purchase 3 ANKA-S UAVs from Turkey, for $ 80 million, and 3 ground control stations.
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 24 December 2020 09: 03
        0
        Quote: bk316
        Will their cost and quantity be comparable?

        And you count - a bayraktar is worth 10 Lyams the hunter promised for 20 Lyams.
        So it's okay.

        Fine? Hunter - 20 tons, bayraktar - 600 kg. recourseFrom a gun on sparrows.
  • certero
    certero 23 December 2020 01: 03
    +2
    Quote: bk316
    Are you crazy?

    I suggest you watch the words.
    1. bk316
      bk316 23 December 2020 19: 35
      -1
      I suggest you watch the words.

      I suggest you admit that they wrote nonsense about school models, then I will consider your proposal.
  • certero
    certero 23 December 2020 01: 05
    0
    Quote: bk316
    The cost is 10 MILLION DOLLARS TEN MILLION CARL !!!
    This is where you can see a school model for 10 green lemons?

    Most of this is optics and weapons. Moreover, one device costs around 800k bucks and there are no 10m there
    1. bk316
      bk316 23 December 2020 19: 37
      0
      Moreover, one device costs around 800k bucks and there are no 10m there

      Nude Nude keep writing nonsense ...
      Anyone can look at open contracts.
      10 UAVs and 3 control stations 70 lamas are at a discount for brothers in faith.
  • migsu
    migsu 23 December 2020 12: 30
    +1
    The speed of the "Hunter" is 1400 km / h.
  • Alexey G
    Alexey G 23 December 2020 17: 01
    +1
    Strange assumption in the article! Many have a desire to find some kind of remedy for the UAV and therefore the fantasy plays brightly! Like the fact that like needs to be dealt with like! However, the problem of countering UAVs is not that they are remotely controlled or fully automated, so remotely controlled or automated weapons must be used against them.
    The problem of fighting UAVs is that these objects are hardly noticeable and neither on the ground nor in the sky are there sufficient means of detecting them. What are the advantages of "Hunter" in this? Does it have any special airspace tracking sensors? To hunt for UAVs you need to see better than them, but the Hunter has no such advantage!
    Hi's fast? So what? It will quickly consume fuel and fly back ...
    Perhaps the problem now is that radar is in crisis, as it is no longer able to make the territory safe from air attacks! Ultimately, how do we protect the radar from attack by a swarm of dragonfly-sized UAVs?
    It seems to me that we need to create new opportunities for air location! Based on different principles! Air reconnaissance must take a new step forward!
    Now, if we had such UAVs as Harpy, to circle for a long time in a given area, but which could determine the position of the Bayrakter by the noise emitted by the Rotax engine and attack him with an air ram, then I would say WOW! And so ... nothing smart ...
  • certero
    certero 23 December 2020 22: 51
    0
    Quote: bk316
    Anyone can look at open contracts.

    Well, show me these contracts.
    1. bk316
      bk316 23 December 2020 23: 53
      0
      Yes please
      https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2019/01/14/turkish-firm-to-sell-drones-to-ukraine-in-69-million-deal/

      and google yourself in any way?
  • certero
    certero 24 December 2020 01: 01
    +1
    Quote: bk316
    Yes please

    Have you read what you are referring to? The amount of the contract is indicated there. But point your finger where is the quantity? The only thing that is written there is that the complex includes 6 pieces, two point control stations. But this does not mean that only such a quantity will be supplied under this contract.
    And such a device cannot cost 10 million, as you say. There's just nothing worth that much
    1. bk316
      bk316 24 December 2020 12: 00
      -1
      But this does not mean that only that amount will be supplied under this contract.

      What are you stubborn. It means exactly.
      Please see the ENDED CONTRACT with Qatar. There is a different number of stations and this allows you to estimate the cost of the UAV.
      Of course, to the contract, spare parts and so on, but this is 10-20% of the contract value, so it turns out that the UAV itself costs from 7 to 10 lamas.

      There is another proof - please go to the studio.
    2. Jvm54
      Jvm54 15 March 2021 08: 22
      0
      Are you familiar with pricing in the defense industry ???
  • Intruder
    Intruder 24 December 2020 12: 02
    +1
    This a priori provides the ability to perform combat missions to "accelerate" or directly destroy the Bayraktar-class attack UAVs in virtually any conditions.
    I wonder what, the effort of the operator's thought !? :) Or have they already created a separate class of missiles for the "Hunter" with a new generation seeker, to aim this very missile at an unobtrusive air target ???
    For such operations, the Hunter can act autonomously.
    sho, again ??? Autonomously - is this the guy at the remote control in the kunga Kamaz or Zila? and a whole antenna field with an external generator next to it, plus a security platoon and an armored personnel carrier in the bushes ... :))) Damn, right "and laugh and sin ..."!
  • ua1osm
    ua1osm 25 December 2020 17: 53
    +1
    Too expensive to take risks and shoot down plastic geese. This is a reconnaissance vehicle with the ability to deliver accurate strikes, that is, an appointment like a traitor. Another means is needed to fight the Turks.
  • Evgeny Seleznev
    Evgeny Seleznev 28 December 2020 17: 08
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    A lot of fog and bravura rhetoric. Can be used. A lot of text and no result.
  • Maxim Z.
    Maxim Z. 31 December 2020 04: 07
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    News from the category "If the grandmother had the primary sexual characteristics of a man, she COULD become a grandfather"
  • kgm
    kgm 5 January 2021 09: 14
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    Editor, what went into a binge? Who missed this nonsense ...
  • Vanyusha
    Vanyusha 10 March 2021 12: 19
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    Before the launch of the Hunter, special forces and partisans throw more vodka with a snack on the enemy's air defense positions. Those fill their eyes - and the Hunter calmly flies and knocks down Bayraktars. And well, no one sees him.
  • Jvm54
    Jvm54 15 March 2021 08: 17
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    I believe that the performance characteristics of new military equipment are classified information. Therefore, heated debates about the real capabilities of the Hunter and others are an empty idea ...